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Episode Date: February 23, 2026

Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson are back to break down ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Episode 6, “The Morrow.” They discuss the aftermath from the trial, Dunk and Egg beginning their adventures, and the future of the show. Plus, they talk about the ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 teaser. (00:00) Intro (1:49) CR’s recap (5:08) Favorite moment (12:45) War is coming (18:49) Can this show continue beyond the text? (24:38) Valarr Targaryen reflects on his father’s death (30:10) Egg's future and his Targaryen roots (34:33) Which S1 characters could return for S2? (39:05) Dunk was never knighted (41:38) ‘House of the Dragon’ Season 3 (48:18) Needle drop at the end of the episode Hosts: Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Carlos Chiriboga Social: Jomi Adeniran Lighting Director: Sarah Reddy Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. Hello and welcome to Talk the Thrones. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at the ringer.com. And joining me in the studio is Joanna Robinson. Hi. Hi. And she's ready to hunt and hawk and sail and make merry.

It's Mallory Rubin. We are here to break down the season finale of the Night of the Seven Kingdoms right after this. Welcome back. It's great to see you guys once more. I'm sad. It's going to be three months and we'll be back again. You know? And we also work together.

So I do. We do see each other all the time. We see you a lot. That's true. Programming reminders, you were listening to us on the Almighty House of our feet on Spotify, probably. Maybe elsewhere, but it's probably Spotify, if you're being honest. And you can check out Mal and Joe's deep dive into this episode of a Night of the Seven Kingdoms in a couple days or all the episodes of a Night of the Seven Kingdoms. That's right. You can also listen to me and Andy casually discuss this show on the watch.

You guys are in. Yeah. I'm trying to doing my best. Do you know what I mean? I'm the salesman. We stumbled over the flashback, but it's not a big deal. So Andy and I are on the watch. Mal and Joe here on the House of Our Feed.

You can also watch Mal and Joe on the Ringervor's YouTube channel. That's right. All right. Let's get into the recap of this wonderful finale episode, but a little bit different than everything we've come before it. A little bit of a different beat. A CODA. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll get into it right after this. All right, the Morrow episode with like about 100% less. But that's okay because it had a lot of heart. Emotional action. The day after, Dunk is either somewhat bruised up or dying, depending on how much you stock, you put in Lionel Barathian's terrible maister. That guy can't even fix an itchy asshole, so not much stock.

But what do you take of his method of rubbing his finger in the wound and then smelling? I don't think you make it past one day on the pit. I feel like in Westeros, the one thing you need to be prepared to account for as an itchy asshole. Gloves, hand sanitation? No, thank you. L.B. wants dunk to come with you. them to storms and and just let his freak flag fly, man. Play with some hawks, but Dunk is like, let me listen to Elliot Smith and feel bad about myself.

Lionel mentions a warcoming, which I will ask our experts about later. But the takeaway here is that the vibes are bad. Maycar looks beaten up about killing his brother. Valar is bummed about his dad dying in his armor. The only person with a smile on his face is Ray Fossoy, who is happy to have stuck it to his traitor-ass cousin's step. And Stoke-aware. Oh, lady.

Yes, proven to be the character in Westrose most likely to fall for a modern-day fishing scheme. I think we can now say that for sure about Raymond Faso. I don't believe in true loved in general, but I believe in Raymond Fosway and Lady Rowan. Yes. I believe in them. Duncan is summoned to meet with Maycar, and they talk a little bit of blame pie over Baylor's

death. And then Maycar tries to get Duncan to become Agon's mentor and move to Summer Hall. and then Dunk would, you know, train with Maycar's master of arms. Honestly, all things being equal, not a bad deal. Not a bad deal. You take that over her. You take that of her hawkin with Lionel Barathean? I don't think Ed gets to go to.

Lionel Offer to finish his training too. Yeah, you know. Dunk is done with princes, though, no matter who asks him, Maycar Dunk, even in his cups, Darren, who shows up at like the post-trial feast. Wonderful new hairstyle, by the way. Yeah. Oh, ponytail. In this ponytail era?

No, that was a very important Beesbury parting double funeral. Finally got a little bit of recognition. A feeling of brotherhood is flowing through Clan Targaryen as Egg ponder is finishing what Dunk started during the trial and cutting up what little remains of his sadistic brother, Arian. Too bad their dad is just sitting there in Arian's room. Eventually, Dunk decides to take egg on the road,

unbeknownst to Makar, who had some conditions in this apprenticeship that did not get met. He takes them away from the castles, his brothers, the cat torture. It's all for a life of in-hopping and salt beef eating. They are free to explore the Nine Kingdoms, I guess.

Look at that. Thus changing the name of this show. I hope not. The Vampireless Dad is going to be the next season. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier renamed at the end. It's like the ringer NFL draft show. And that's it. That renaming is coming next week.

There is a little coda to the coda of this episode, which is basically Maycar being like where's Ag. Egg? Like that, basically? But it's too late because he's already on the road. Very reflective, very somber episode. Apparently there's jazz in Westrose. They opened the episode with a little bit of clarinet.

It's like a comedy porn. It was like an episode of The Detectorists is how this episode started. After the fireworks of the previous episode. What was your favorite moment of this one? I think it's when Lionel said, wait, let me get the quote right. He says, will you come to? my cottage this summer. Don't go to summer hall, come to my house. We'll have so much fun. It's so private. No one will know. It's very brilliant. Maybe two. We'll grill. We can swap shirts.

Just us. Yeah. Great stuff. What's your favorite moment? I loved it all. I thought this episode was beautiful and that the tone and mood of reflection was just a delight. I think that it's a tie for me between the conversations between Maker and and Dunk. thought were exquisite, and the Arlen flashbacks and this insight into the penny tree and what represents and the way that Arlen talked about stories, which can go very right or very wrong in Game of Thrones, and I would love to circle back to and talk about at some point during today's discussion, but I thought that was just lovely.

Did I feel it all directed at George, and I'd always finish this story? George. That would be funny if there was a little note of encouragement, maybe. Two things for me. Yeah. One, Danielings. Amazing. Maybe the highest hit rate to minutes on screen of a television character and an actor in recent memory,

just the way he did that tree stump pitch to Dunk about coming to his house. And also just like the way he will do these little gestures to express frustration or exhaustion. And speaking of exhaustion, the fact that all of the characters who participated in the trial are all limping. Yeah. They are all limping. they've all got like bruises and blood coming out of parts that shouldn't be bleeding. But only Lytle has a crutch made of antlers. Yes.

To draw a fit like that while you're convalescing is frankly remarkable. But this is why I think this show kind of stands a little bit. And this world in general, I think, has often done a really good job of showing the consequences of violence as well as like the excitement of it is to have all these guys just be so laid out after this thing. And really to have like an empty, there's an empty space in the middle of it because of what it costs to go through this stupid trial and Aryan's dumb idea of like, you know,

honoring the handles with like a trial of the seven. And now we've lost the hand of the king and the, and the heir apparent of the throne. Yeah. So that's where I wanted to start. And Beesbury and Harding. And Beesbury and Harding. Can I just say like my,

even with the bright yellow mustache. Can I say my MVP of the episode, which is Sam's. as Macar because I've been watching a lot of his interviews this week as he was talking about his perception of Macar and like Sam Spruill is just such an odd little goofball of a guy. And so we see it like in Fargo or all these other things we've seen him play these like very severe hard ass kind of characters. And he's just like a kind of a weirdo. So that like, and I said that with like love.

But I just love hearing him talk about he's like, Macar. Baylor read all the books. Makeard didn't read all the books. So we see Make Our Reading in this episode. But his delivery of like, he's my last boy or just like all these moments. I just thought he was so good in this episode. I thought that whole scene with Dunk and him saying like, they're going to whisper about me the rest of my life.

And he's like, they're going to whisper about you too. It was so cool. Incredible, too, to be able to thread the needle of simultaneously like having Make-R issue, yet another like belittlement, right, of the idea of a hedge knight and the life of a hedge night. while also giving the most human moment that he's given yet to this person, right? And saying, like, to be clear, the will you have him, I thought, had just as much emotion. But that line that Joe mentioned that he's my last son, it's like, all of his children are alive, right? Just to be clear.

But he's lost Darren to... It's true. He's lost Darren to drink and to bitter disappointment. He's my last chance to like that, right? He's lost Arian to basically mania, evil, reputation and a body and shatters Aman, beloved, and blameless always, at the Citadel. And so Egg, the idea to say, like, okay, I have to confront the fact now that the last boy, I thought that moment, I can't wait to talk about the Aryan egg scene. But when Maycar goes over and puts his hands on Egg's shoulder and then eggs, just like sags back into his dad and they have that moment of tenderness together to say to dunk basically like, okay, you're saying he's got. to be away from his family. And that's the very thing that Maycar has to confront is the only way

to save the last boy that I have is to get him as far away from me as possible. But it's interesting that they make this choice to have this moment of like he did not actually give egg permission to go. What did you think of that? Because that's, that's an update. That's what I'm saying. It's not in the book. In the book he does. Like, eggs a little liar in this episode as consistently as ever. I don't know how I feel about it actually. I think I want to wait and see how it plays out. RIP Maker, you would have love adolescence. You don't know much. Crying on your bed.

My son. Yeah. I was curious about that whole roper dope of like aga. I mean, like, Dad said it's okay if I go. And then he's obviously got this little beat at the end. Yeah. Like earlier in the episode when Duncan's like, were you spying? And he's like, no.

No. I'm just like, you little. Yeah. I think he describes him as unruly. And like it felt it was a really interesting choice to make this clearly like a just something Egg decides to do, even though Makar has decided not to accept Dunks' terms and Dunk's version of his initial pitch.

I was, like, revisiting the text, and, you know, Maycar just walks away from the conversation with Dunk, and then Egg shows up. It's really in the second novella in Sworn Sword where there are details that make it, like, seem that they are doing this with a blessing and with the sanctioning,

and that, you know, it's not credible to me that, like, Mekar would not hold hunt them down basically. So that's a little bit strange. I mean, that might be a part of the second season. Possibly. Yeah, not to do too much like fanficking of it, but could it be possible that Maycar is almost like, I'm making a public show of this because I don't want people to think I gave my son away to... Oh, interesting. That wasn't my read on that scene, but... That would fit, though, with, like, in general, the idea of needing to keep his identity a secret. I don't mind that at all. Okay. I think there's just a lot of, like, kind of very fascinating. What are you willing to

to say about somebody when, what do you think? The fact that he goes to Dunk and then has to kind of like process what Dunk is saying, there's this line. Because he opens by talking before he gets to Egg. They talk about Baylor, but before that he tells him about Aryan, right? Like I sent him away. And Dunk is just silent. Like, what is he supposed to say to this, you know?

And in the book, there's this great line that was not a thing you told a father of his son when Dunk is basically thinking in his head like, I hope this guy never comes back. Great. He's gone. I hope he never comes back. But then he has to muster the courage too. actually look at Maycar in the face, the Prince of Summerhall, Tegarian Prince, and say, well, Darren probably never slept in a dig narrator. He probably did. But that's not in the way

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was the brief interaction between Lionel and Dunk in the beginning of the episode where Lionel says there's a war coming. Based Lionel Barathean? Yeah. There nothing gets me head up in a show than somebody being like war is coming, especially one of these. What was he talking about to the extent that you feel comfortable discussing it? I have a couple things I can say, I think. Which is one is, this feels like a Game of Thrones reference, right? Because Robert Barathean says to Ned Stark, there's a war coming, Ned. I don't know when or who will be fighting, but it's coming.

This sort of like, let's be brothers. Okay. So it's like a Barathean thing to a certain extent. But also it is Ira Parker like pointing at the fences for like a potential future. It's like something that George hasn't written. Oh, I would say. That is like hasn't fully.

I mean, I feel like this is okay to say. Right? Okay. I don't know. You're making a face like I'm spoiling anything. I don't think. I think it's something that he's just sort of like we can't talk about obviously

because we don't want to spoil. It's information that we like have but George hasn't put in novella. Oh. So I feel like this is Ira Parker saying like if I want to do this story in a future season, I'm just going to drop a seed here about it. So having not. read it, my read on it was I hate the Targaryens

and now there are fewer of them. Yeah. The only good dragon is a dead dragon. I mean, I think that's pretty accurate. Only so many legs propping up the table at this point. And so this might be coming to a head soon. Which was like fascinating because, you know, we talked when Raymond said what he said to dunk in the middle of the season about like

incestuous aliens and, you know, their black magic and shocking that Raymond doesn't understand how impregnating a woman works given that he told us in that scene. that he learned about jizzing on tits and pulling out from his cousin Stefan. Amazing that Dunk the Virgin knows more about women than Raymond. Great stuff in this episode. This is a good point. This is a good example of me not remembering television shows. I completely forgot.

It's a great moment. You remember that great line when he said jizzing on tits? Did he really say that? No. San Antonio woman's tits is what he said. So like pretty close. It's just pretty close. But the shock of hearing him say that like treasonous thing out loud about the Targaryians.

There's nothing funny than when you say something like that and then try to immediately try to get back. discolarship. I feel like this, it's just like this show, more than any other show, it's the right place to do it, because that's what they do inside of these episodes. But to hear a Barathean of Storm's End, like a much more consequential figure with respect to House Fasoi, say something like that is notable. And to Joe's point about invoking Robert, which, of course, how can it not make us think about

Roberts Rebell? Who ended the Targaryen dynasty? Robert Barathean. And like, that's a long, long, long journey from Oris Baratheon, beginning. House Barathean as Egon the Conqueror's bastard, and Hand of the King, and Best Friend, and a million things have to happen along the way. And with Robert, we all know, it's Ragar and Leanna and all of that. But what is the evolution of the relationship between these two great houses? Like, all of those moments are really interesting to Castellite on, but it also just gets

back to the thing we've been talking about all season. Flop era. No dragons. And now the greatest night of his age, Baylor Targaryen is gone. So we were talking about this beginning of season when Lion was like basically wearing a crown. Yeah. which is like a nice thing to do. Yeah. So like I think when he says something like that, it's pointing to just a general state of play of like, the Targaryans are vulnerable in a number of respects.

They were already before this. That's why they're at Ashford in the first place to do the diplomacy and maintain relationships. The fact that that vulnerability can come from outside or within, the trial of seven just pitted this house against each other. Yes. That matters for how people think about the fragility of that family. The Blackfire Rebellion was only 13 years ago, and the Blackfire Pretenders didn't all die.

Bittersteel is in Esos right now. I actually thought they might change. I thought that they might change sending Aryan across the Nara C. Because the Blackfire canon wasn't written yet when that was in the novella. But now, like, what makes are significant that he like, blackfire pretenders are? Do you think it's significant that they snipped leased out of it? Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. Keep it open on the novel. the geography front. I was going to ask about his

summer abroad. Yeah. What do you think you excited? Arrian. You want that season? Just Aryan on the road. He's going to learn about himself a little? Arion. Semester at C. Learning a lot about himself and what he's capable of. No, I was curious about some of the places that are mentioned offhandedly because I don't know what happens in the second novella, but like this show is very, very, very strict about showing things that Dunk sees. An exception in this episode? A lot of egg

P.O. I don't think we're, well, I don't think we're going with Aryan on the road, POV, right? What I think is really interesting is, like, you know, and people who have read the novellas have been asking us about this is, like, a lot of the characters that are in this season aren't in the other two novellas that are published, you know? And so, like, will the show be able to resist pulling back in, like, you know, or having Raymond Fassoway, who was a huge popular hit, like, you know, are we just going to leave the Fasweys there?

I mean, again, a lot of novellas, George has not written a lot of, lot of the story, but like season two, we're starting with basically a whole new cast of characters if they, you know, follow strictly to the book. So I have a question because I've seen, I think because of the success of this show and it is

quite quite a hit for especially its budget. The debate about needing George text to make a show is like kind of been stirred up again and people are relitigating them at the end of Game of Thrones and they're talking about

House of Dragon and how little they have to work with. So what do you expect? He's going to have to embellish things. It's been interesting hearing the two of you talk over the course of this season, often about pieces of internal monologue happening on the pages of the novellas, informing not only how you're watching the show, but just like the depth of the character and everything like that. I'm putting you on the spot,

but in a world where this is now a once a year show. So by 2028, we are done with the printed works. of Duncan Egg, correct? Yes. What do you think? What do you think the challenges would be? Or do you think this could be a show that kind of broke the rule of

you can do a George show without George text? I wonder if George can be convinced to put aside whatever else he's doing and maybe write some like scenes for them or something like that because like we've been talking about

the novella format as an adaptive choice and it's like so different to adapt a novella versus the Brawling a Song of Ice and Fire series, or Fire and Blood, which is this like, you know, like Wikipedia page. Yeah. Odd history. And the competing narrative.

This episode is a really good example because this is a huge, hugely expanded upon the text episode. There's like three scenes that are from the book and the rest. Like there's just a ton, like all of Raymond's stuff, all of Lionel stuff. Like being in eggs, a POV, like all of this is expanded stuff. So there are certain scenes. Like Makar and Dunk, which are in many ways word for word. Right. You know, or Dunkin' Egg, like going on the road a bit.

Like, you know, there are, there are, or Valar and Dunk. Like, there are things that are lifted directly from the text. And when you get those lines, when you get some of Makar's lines, it just really rings. But I think Ira Parker and his writing team did such a good job with these expanded scenes inside of this episode. So, like, we didn't love the flashback that, or I didn't like love, love, love the flashback last week. which was a departure from the text. But this episode is as much a departure from the text as that was. And I think it feels like it rings true to me.

Honestly, all of these added scenes. Yeah, because I guess I was reading a bit about how, ironically, reading about these books rather than reading them, of the POV structure of Thrones of those novels is one of the main reasons why he's been slowed down so much is because he's now created like two dozen. POV things he's got over expanded and he over expanded and they were going through like all the things that got cut out of the actual show. I was like oh yeah I remember talking about Mao that with Mal. But that doesn't necessarily have like these novellas are pretty tight. They're pretty strict.

They've got two POVs, correct? So theoretically he could just be like and then they do this and then they do that. And here's like five things that they need to say to each other or whatever. That's what I'm saying is like he's outlined. I think it was like 13 other. So there's three that are printed and there were 13 other sort of like adventure stories that he has informed Ira Parker of like Duncan A go to X and perhaps these are the bare bones of the things that happened. And like I said, if he could just like write them a couple scenes per season, I think we could be cooking with gas, honestly. Yeah, I think I agree. I definitely agree with what you're saying about the additions here feeling so true to the spirit of the thing. That Arlen, flashback, one of my

favorites, not a thing in the end of this novella. The Aryan make our egg scene, definitionally not a scene from the novella because it's not from Dunk's point of view. I thought that was like exquisite and really haunting the beat, perhaps most crucial. Most importantly the bee coffin. Oh, your sweet applesauce brain. That was great. That is still an expansion off of a complete text though. And so I don't know what the exact math is of how much. I do think that that Ira has a feel for this world and these characters, not just the sensibility and voice, but the heart of the thing. All of the additions have felt so core and true to the theme and like the heart that is the engine of the story that it does give me so much faith. I like have

been, I guess maybe diluting myself since the end of Thrones into thinking that George would be so motivated by like seeing the kind of bastardization of the ending of his opus, you know, his great work, that it would inspire him. And I now really have to be. have felt that again this season because the positivity, like the reanimation of a fan base around this show, if there's ever going to be something where he's like, and let me keep going with this, I just, it was so over and now it's so back. And there are a lot of like canon points along the timeline for these characters that do exist. There are key events and key moments that are known. So that and then there's a roadmap. Yeah, there's a roadmap. And like if we could just get a couple more,

a couple more. They're only a couple hundred pages. I'm always fascinated with the idea of like, I mean, this is not really germane to recapping an episode of television, but I am having a good time talking about it, about whether or not he's like transcribing things that he's already decided. You know, he's like, I know where the Game of Thrones novels are going definitively and what happens to every single character. And it's just a matter of me sitting down and writing it down. I know for a fact he's changed his mind.

Like he's told people one thing several years ago and is now saying other things in the media. And that's fine. He's allowed to be an author. Yeah. Because he didn't like the way to show ended. And that's like how writing works. You discover things as you go, you know? And so it's just sort of like he can't, he shouldn't be held accountable for exactly what he said five years ago about what was going to happen to a character.

That's not how like art works or whatever. But for him to say now, for him to come out this year and say like, well, I never intended this to happen in a song of ice and fire. And you're like, okay, George, write it then. Yeah. I mean, he's like, I might kill that guy who lives or I might let this person live or die. And it's like, it'd be interesting to see what he does with it. I'm trying to think if I had anything else specifically. You said that the Valar scene was in the books.

Yes. Lovely scene. God, that was sad. Fathers are supposed to watch their kids die in their armor. That's added. That's added. That's added. There you go.

Iro! But I love the, so in the text of that scene, which is like, you know, and then echoes into dunk talking to Makar about his foot versus a prince's life and all of that, which is a hugely famous part of this story. So good. But thinking about, Valar talking about

what a kind of king his father would have been. And now Valar is heir to the throne, right? So he's like, it's on me now. I have to be king.

When my father was this sort of, he was the hammer. He was this great things. Bailor Breakspeare. I'm just Valar. I've just got this one patch of white in my hair.

Who got sunned by Aryan at the tournament. It's true. It's true. It's true. But back in October 22, George R.

Martin did like a Q&A with a random house for his fans, and they were asking him, like, what is a minor, this has been resurfaced this week, but like, what is a minor moment that changed the course of Westeroose history? And he said, in 2022, the death, quote, the death of Baylor Breakspeare, who was next in line to the throne, and I think would have been a very strong and very competent king who dies to defend the honor of an insignificant hedge knight. How is Westero's history different? If Baylor does not die, that would be very significant. So this is like, as we were talking about, like, the tourney

at Ashford Meadow is famous forever because this is, this is where Baylor O'Ber Spear dies and the history of Westrose is forever changed because whoever as Makar says, the old king is, he's old. And, you know, and there's a line that's cut from the book that it's like, Volar's next in line. People aren't going to be as excited about that as they were about Baylor. So, you know, and that's forever going to be on me and on you. There's only one solution I can see.

What's that? Multiverse. Oh, yeah, great. It's gone fine in every other. Yeah. What if Baylor lived? Spider-Man goes back in time to save Baylor. Damn.

Hold on. It's a pretty good idea. You're onto something here, man. Reach out to George. He's got time. I love the way that in like the really macro broad sense, just the whole history of Westrose. You know, we talked about the description in Darren's dream,

like the wings, you know, casting this massive shadow over the meadow. So the quote Joe shared, then you have something very intimate and specific for every person. Another thing that like that foot idea, the people whisper this thing that ties Makar and Dunk, you have what Valar says to dunk, you have this conversation with Makar. Like the fact that Makar is like,

so torn up and tortured and you can feel the love for his brother, you can feel the regret, and you can feel the shame, just as you can feel dunk shame. But there's also this, like, again, I think really human element of, and every time someone goes wrong, they're going to say Baylor would have done better. Like Baylor from the grave, his shadow looming large over all of them, his presence and his might is so hefty that it's like, how can any of them hope to exist in its shadow? And then the question is like, well, what do you do if you're a maker and you're like, man, I didn't, the gods know I didn't mean to do it, but like, people are always going to say that I meant to do this thing, right? You have that line from Lionel to dunk, come here and I'll love you like a brother, or don't fuck off, and I'll hate you like a brother. And that's a through line of the season. Love your brother, hate your brother. You have Maker and Baylor. You have this amazing area and egg dynamic. Cut them with a fish knife. Yeah. I can't wait to talk about that. That can be chills. The like, this element of that, that knife's edge, fish knife and flies otherwise that you're always on with the people. closest to you? And like, if you're dunk and you're carrying and you're saying, well,

like, maybe one day will come when I have needed that foot, what do you do with your shame and your guilt and your despair? In the book, he's thinking of his scar and he's like, I can never, he can't ever look at the scar without thinking of Baylor, ever, right? And that's like really sad and heavy. But does he let the guilt lead him to despair and destruction? Or does he find purpose in it? Can he find meaning in it? Can he say, well, like, if I had a foot and I had my hands and I had my teeth and look how I saved Tanzel. And there's a little bit of a one must, you know, need not intend harm to do it element to it. Another theme. But there's like the, okay, I helped. I was able to help. And so now I can choose to help again. I think also the,

this, you mentioned, uh, both Lionel and Makar are like, come to the cottage, come to my cottage. And, and we'll train you. And I thought, I think, I feel like Mekar saying, Oh my God. I really love I'm saying I really love the exit I really love

Sam Sproles' delivery when he's like your Sir Arlen did his best like he's a really soft sweet delivery right but he's like

but come on we can we can do better you know and then for Dunk to be like I don't think you can actually

and this being in such contrast to earlier in the season when his like one hope out of all of this is if I fight well some Lord may take me into his household. I will ride in Noble Company then and eat fresh meat

every night in a castle hall and raise my pavilion at my own pavilion attorneys, but first, I must do well. This was his dream. A Lord is going to invite me and I will not be homeless anymore. And then Lionel's like come, makers like come and he's like, no, I'm dragonflies are dragons. I'm choosing, I'm choosing the road. And that's an affirmation of like, to be cheesy, I'm enough. And my My own moral compass is the right one. I think even though it doesn't happen in the same order of conversation. Well, actually, I guess it does. I was going to say that I think that the crucial conversation might be with Darren then.

Because Darren tells him he was a glad child to like fishing. Yes. And the next thing I think that we see is egg. The knife is an egg going to Aryan. But is an egg noticing that his hair is growing in? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, this kid has a few years before he gets poisoned.

Exactly. We'll make a man out of them. That gave me a chill. And that's ultimately why I think Dunk does what he does. Is that whether or not Maycard gave a sign off or not, you know, or whether or not that's somewhat of a production or not or whatever. I think ultimately he's like, this kid gets to be a kid for six or eight or nine years or however long it's going to take before they get their claws into him.

Right. Yeah. And he's not a prince. And he's not a prince. And what's going to happen once that spins out? I thought that that made the Darren And it was also tragic because Darren's just like

I never had a fucking chance Like I'm just going to drink myself to death Did you like Darren's stitches on his face That he got from his own horse stepping on his head? He was just like make sure the stitches are like really big So people can tell Give me good scar And the bust of the like busted sclara

Maybe I'll get some drinks bought for me for this There's a line in the book at the funeral They put a hat on him at the funeral A great hat that the internet has loved for the last week But there's a line from that scene where it says egg's hair was growing back as bright as his brothers, right? And so when we get this moment when he sees himself in the mirror, which is like when he decides to like, but like the score is like thrumming like a horror movie in that moment. It's so good.

And I just think that like we've already said so much about how good Dex has been this season. But like everything he had to bring to that, the like the menace and like there's menace in that scene. And then there's also just like. To the Daniel Lange's point, like he doesn't get that much screen time in the last. two and a half episodes. Right. So he has to really make the most out of what he's got. The fact that when he's tapping the hair and seeing it, you can feel the terror.

Yeah. It's like this thing is rising inside of me that I don't want. Absolutely. And I, when he said to dunk on that window bench earlier, like maybe you're not the night I thought. It's like he sees the person, you know, think of him on the hillside earlier in the season. Like, I think I could be quite happy in a place like this. He is able to recognize even at that age that there is a path to him being a better version. of himself and it's not with these people.

I thought that this Aryan scene picking up that knife going in, the tears pointing down his face, that ominous score, this is such a there but for the grace off the heels of Darren saying, that sure will make a man of him. So this inevitability in what Darren says there. Aryan loved fishing. Yeah. Which is something that Egg has said. He was a glad child.

Like we've talked about that the way that Mr. Amon described in Game of Thrones when he thinking back to his brother egg, the jolly child. Like, this language is really intentional to draw this parallel. So it's like, there but for the grace of what? Of a hedge knight. There but for the grace of dunk. And dunk pulling egg into like, it makes me really emotional. Like, it's the fact that this like chance meeting, I just thought this episode is great.

No, the episode's really good. I just have some. Beautiful. We're going to have to save it for the deep dive. For the deep dive. Sure. But I just have some questions about some large. points that the show is making that slightly, I think, undercut that, but we can talk about that.

Do you mean in terms of the text itself and, like, future stuff about George R. Martin stuff or just like the world? I mean, I think if it's not, I think the fortune teller stuff. Yeah. I think there's just some stuff that they're, some track that they're laying that that is not in the book that I'm just sort of like, that sort of changes this dunk saved egg sort of idea. I think that makes it richer because it's like if it's just like everything else in a George story, it's complex and it's nuanced. And like if the path to any choice or any decision that you make in your life

is simple, then it's probably not going to be interesting for us to watch. So I think you know that I'm not asking for it to be simple, but I think they're like, it's just a different message than what I always got from the novellas. Yeah, and that's interesting thing about what happens when these shows break and tame,

which is like if something's getting 13 million viewers a week, that's probably a lot of, larger slice of the population than have read the novellas. And we saw this happen with Game of Thrones. Maybe not in the ways in which it broke away from like the doctrine of the books. But I think different actors brought different things to different parts. And people are like, we should probably like keep this guy on screen a little bit if we can. You know, and so I, to your point about earlier about like this incredible ensemble that they've put together who aren't really supposed to be in the next season, that is, that is a really interesting question as to like whether we'll get any Sam Sparrow or Finn Bennett or.

or Daniel Ings or could we get Bertie coming back like Garrett Dillahunt in season two Daniel Hood or whatever just recast her bigger beer yeah why not man HBO's done it before flashback if you could pick one side character is it your guy Aryan Bright Flame who would you most want them to sort of put in season two you know what I mean I love him but like I don't know if he's going to be like become like a big reader I assume you want the the Rowan Raymond spin off immediately oh I want a line of Naming her Roan bizarre, given a central character's name and the second season to be Roane. Could they stop at Storm's End on their little adventure?

I mean, at some point, sure. At some point? I mean, I think Minel will return in Avengers Dune's Day. Like, don't worry about it. Let me ask you about this Nine Kingdoms thing. Was that funny? I mean, I was just kind of like, is this just one of those things where like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of like an actual real world comparison of this,

but we, you know, conventional wisdom or just like, the phrase is Seven Kingdoms, but it actually is nine? What happened there? The well, actually, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, is that we like, don't count Dorn. Ah. Right, usually, because Dorn has not always been part of the Seven Kingdoms. And then we usually allied the Iron Islands and the Riverlands. Right? Yeah, I mean, Dorn in the fold now.

Egg is usual fact-checking and educating dunk, I thought was a nice element of this. Like, the fact that Egg right away is, like, I've got some stuff to teach you. I think that the, like, kind of Knights Watch vows equivalent of like, realms of men, you know, reminding Dunk or the reader or the viewer of like, well, you know, do you actually even understand, like, who you're supposed to protect or help or serve? What was interesting? The changing of the word mark I thought was kind of hokey. I didn't like that.

I just thought that it was like, I thought that was for the, like, nerdy fans. Right. Who have always been like, why is it? I think you get that from the conversation. Why is it making the seven when it's, yeah. And it's had a tongue-in-cheek attitude, you know, like from pooping after the Game of Thrones theme or whatever. It's had a pretty tongue issue.

I wonder how many people are going to get PTSD thinking back to the six kingdoms from, again, the Thrones finale. You know, anytime we mention the exact number, it's going to make us think of that. On that front, on the Thrones finale when, you know, famously, the showrunners had Tyrion and sold an entire viewing public by invoking the power of story after shitting on our collective goodwill for two years. It was a couple notable exceptions. You know, we love the episode called A Night of the Seven. It was, for example, I thought that this Arlen memory, have you heard this story before and Dunk sang many times, was so, such a, like a lovely way to tie a bow around this through line of the season, this tales that grow in the telling, a tall tale that became legend. And the Arlen weaning, first of all, the like from where you, you know, many times, okay, have we heard this story many times?

Or is this going to be different, right? Part of the storytelling tradition. Very really made me think of Frodo and Sam, like the last pages are for you when Arlen, the kind of like shade of Arlen and Sweetfoot peel off to the left of the screen. And Duncan Egg continue now because it's like a true night always finishes the story. We're in the tales of Dunkin Egg now. It's like your turn. the fact that Dunk was kind of weaned on these stories from Arlen, including about Baylor, right, as we know from earlier on the season. And now Dunk is that story for other people. Like Joe said, what happened here at Ashford is codified as myth and legend. This like story that will be shared and passed on is such an incredible like pivot point to think about not only in his life in this relationship, but in the history of the canon and also this fictional universe. I just think it's like a great way to kind of connect it to.

something beautiful like Old Man in, actually in season one saying to Brand, like I can tell you about Sir Duncan the Tall, right? But then, you know, and Snarts and Grumkin's, whatever you prefer. You know, one of my favorite lines that George has ever written is an Old Nan line. Like my stories, no, my little Lord, not mine,

the stories are before me and after me before you too. And that, when Thrones gets that right with Old Nan or with this in this finale here, it is not only a beautiful thing inside of this, world. But, like, for me, it's like, this is why I love this shit. It's getting to, like, the sort of of thesis of what you're doing. Yeah. And then you had the Tyrion thing on the other end of it. So I felt like this was a return into something kind of sacred. Yeah. And I just really appreciated. Two things. One, in that flashback, we get, like, confirmation that Dunk was never knighted,

which we never get in the books, right? Yeah, it's big. And, like, they're sitting there. The storm is breaking. Like, this is the night he dies, you know? So, like, this is it. Very Harper Stern of Dunk to keep that. Keep that a secret. I don't know if you recall in the final season of Game with Thrones, but... I honestly might not.

Great. That is one that has gotten a little bit. This is about memory and forgetting. Danny kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet in the final season of Game of Thrones. George R. Martin kind of forgot about Sweetfoot, and they write it this wrong because, like, in the book, Dunk sells Sweetfoot, as he does.

And then that's it. Sure. He's like, feed her some oats and some apples, and he never goes back for her, and she never shows up again in the, the story. And so the fact that they're like, she went upstate to an orchard with Raymond Fossaway. And she's just going to eat green apples. What kind of apples, Mallory? Green apples for the rest of her life. I love Sweetfoot. So I'm thrilled to know she's at a great home with Raymond and Red now Rowan.

But I pray for the structural integrity of Sweetfoot's gums because green apples are delicious. What's wrong with green apples? I like I'm cooked in a pie. Okay. But you could have a honey Chris or a pink lady or a sugarbee and you're going with a granny Smith. What children is, I remember you also listing apples at me. Yeah. There are a lot. I promise you. They're delicious.

Here's a question I have for you, Chris. And maybe you could be the arbiter of this. If Mallory has gone on this green apple rant so many times in her life, if this has been such a key part of our friendship that she has a red apple tattooed on her and I have a green apple tattooed on me. Yes. Would you say that she is not allowed? to claim Raymond Fossaway of the Green Apple Fossoways as her own.

I'm not allowed to like the character? Because he's made a terrible choice. And green is my favorite color, so I think a green apple's beautiful look at it. I just think it tastes like shit. I may side with Joe a little bit here, you know. I could see sides of both sides. I would suggest then writing into Raymond and saying maybe you should change your garb because he's still wearing.

Yeah, probably. You know, you know, you know that he's, they're camping. You haven't been home yet. She's pouring up the bedpan. She's wearing his shirt. We don't have a lot of clothing to go around. We're traveling light. He's definitely going to have next time we see him,

you know he's going to be in head-to-to-tow green. That's my favorite color. Speaking of green. Yes. Why don't we talk a little bit about House of the Dragon, which is coming up next? Team green. Your team.

Your favorite. The trailer for the third season dropped this week. We are now in a world where we only have to wait three months until another game of friends show comes on. That will go for presumably two months, so we'll take us in almost the fall. And then theoretically, I think we'll be back with Duncan Egg. I would imagine, I don't remember if Casey was talking about the pit in that regard.

So I imagine if I had to guess, we'll get Duncan Egg in a similar-ish time next year. That's wonderful. What did this show do to your level of anticipation and also concern? about House the Dragon as a project and as a returning television show. So I should say, in case people are curious, we are going to do like a full, full, deep, like, exhaustive deep dive.

So this is just, like, sort of a trailer check-in or whatever. But we were actually talking to Sean Fettas. Have you done one about Mandalorian and Grogu? We have not. Okay. You're not allowed to listen to it if we do because you said you're not going to be engaging with that film.

You're not going to be engaging with that film. I was just like, I did not see that film. I'm not engaging with the film, but I'm talking about it every week. You're going to refuse to go. You're not going to see that. that movie? I don't know. Yeah. My wife really likes Grogue. That was my first thought.

Yeah. It's like, what about Phoebe? She doesn't even know it's coming. Can I tell you that I did write down a Groger note in my notes for this episode? Because you remember when we got in a little bit of a fight when I said Grogu wasn't a character, he was an accessory? Yes. Which I still feel is true. And like, Agon is just such the complete opposite of that. Like, Agon is like, what if Grogo was actually a character? Do you know what I mean? He's a, I mean, he's a, he's a human co-lead of the... They could have, like, subtitles for your... He's called Mandelorian.

Green co-lead of the movie. The movie's called Madalorian and Grogu. I would say that Grogo has even more expressive eyes than I. Bullshit. Anyway. If he's telekinetic, he can teach himself how to talk and then start expressing his interior life. I want them to hold off as long as possible on full sentences from Grogo. Let's just keep, let's have him coo in for as long as he can.

We were talking in fantasy about the hot D sort of anticipation last night. And this is something we were talking about, which is like he prefers this show. And a lot of people are saying they prefer night of the show. the Seven Kingdoms to House of the Dragon. And I was saying, I think it's easier. I mean, there are many ways in which I think this show is executing on the highest. The Night of the Seven Kingdoms is really executing on a high level. But in terms of like the kind of show to sort of capture your heart, the kind of characters

that a night of the seven kings, like your Raymond Fossoways and your dunks, your Tanzals, your steely Pates, like these are sort of like men trying to do their best, people trying to do their best, right, going forward. Yeah. We had some of those characters inside of Game of Thrones, like your brand, your pods, you're etc., etc. House the Dragon does not really have that kind of character. So it's not even like the courtly intrigue Targaryen lens. It's just sort of like, these are like fucked up, twisted people.

And I think especially since Patty Constan left in season one where he was like, like messed up in a lot of ways, but kind of trying to do his best. And now I'm not sure we really have those characters. which is not to say I'm not excited about House of the Dragon, but I can kind of see that as a reason, a reason why people are less excited. I think the answer probably for me would be to add like a little bit more like camp or something to House of the Dragon.

Yes, they could all be terrible, but could they have like a little bit more fun doing it? You know what I mean? You more like like dick jokes. Theaticality. I don't know. It's so grim and it's so like tragic, but not in a kind of like

there's just a very little flourish and Matt Smith kind of got relegated to wandering in and out of rooms by himself last season so I'm hoping a lot for Matt Smith reintegration into the Genpop thing

honestly I got to say after task I was going to say stop pretending like you weren't just like zooming in Kristen Cole and a dragon footprint come on like you needed to see anything else I got to do that year I have to admit, that got me excited.

They should open a Philadelphia bar called the Dragon footprint, and Kristen Cole's just there every night. I love that. Chris, as like a fellow lover of British television, was the shot of James Norton, not deeply exciting. Yeah, mafia, high, wise up, yeah. Well, and he's Team Green, just like you. Ormond High Tower is here.

You know, you got all those green High Tower tents behind a nice close-up shot of Tessarian, the Blue Queen, dragon, who's beautiful and lovely, Darren the Daring is here. We talked about Darren all last season to you, and you were like, I don't know who that is. And we're like, yeah, because he's not in the show. Here it is. the tonal distinction point that you guys are making, I definitely think hot D is just not for everyone

and that's okay. And I agree that there's a, just like in a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, a show that is very jovial and charm forward and hope centric. There was a lot of horrible shit that happened and a lot of despair and a lot of tragedy. I think that you're right that there's a way to inject the opposite into Hot D. I kind of am like, I, and my hope, what I feel, but my hope maybe for the masses is that like, it's fine if people don't like HATI. They don't need to be talked into liking it. The fact that these things are so different

will actually be part of what's fun about it. You know, like the way that when Andor came out and it was such a, I mean, just an incredible masterpiece, but also like, wow, this feels really different. And then the real risk coming out of Andor is that the like false takeaways, let me try to make Andor instead of let me try to make something that is specific and fully realized on its own.

So I'm like actually into this idea of an era where these Thrones shows feel really specific to their own intention and different from each other. I'm also like totally open to different showrunner creators' takes on the world being completely different. And I had some real highlights of season one.

It's not like I'm completely out on this show. Dude, and this trailer are like, gullet, battle. You see all those fucking ships and all those dragons? This is going to be sick. Here's my hot take. Here's my hot take. It should be puppets.

All of them. All the dragons should be puppets. I miss the puppets. The dragon puppet in this season of television was very good, and I think that you are... You should officially float it as a way to just make these seasons quicker. You know, if they're all puppets.

I thought that seeing Gullet was electrifying just for a second here. Exactly. Especially given that it was not at the conclusion of season two the way it really should have been and was meant to be. But hopefully this is how the healing can start.

I don't gather there's any healing to be had on House of the Dragon. Can I say one more thing before we go? Of course. This episode ends with 16 tons by Tennessee or any Ford. Yeah. The music didn't take me out. A pro-labor bop.

Like a very straight, like I was trying to thematically, I mean, is it just the point that like dunk is big and he carries a lot of things? Like I don't know. Like that song is about, you know, I owe my soul to the company store. It's about being like a coal miner who like, you know, is in debt forever to the man. Like I was having a hard time. I'm sure by the time this comes out, Ira Parker will have given it. interview, or Dan Roman will have given an interview about why they did it. But I was just like, I'm not anti it. I was just, and I'm not anti a modern, more modern needle drop at the end of

the season. I was just having, I love that song, but I was having a hard time connecting it. I wouldn't overdo it if I were them with the needle drops. Maybe like the end of, in the finale of every season. Yeah. The wire style. What do you guys think Amen is listening to as he sits moodily on the iron throat? What are his preferred needle drops at this point? You know, late period, Nick Cave. Okay, well, we can wrap it up there. It's been such a pleasure. I can't wait for the deep dive.

I'm curious whether, here's how much I'm going to keep myself in a little terrarium of ignorance about this show. What's your Google Wiki plan here? I do feel like I did too much of it with HOTD. Looked at too much stuff. You know what I mean? And now I'm kind of like, well, let's just see how this plays out.

This, I just really enjoyed going into this and being like, you know, swept up in the wonder of it not looking to see like, oh, what happens to this guy? And what happens to this person? Well, and do you feel like you have the luxury of staying patient because you know you're going to be back in the world so soon? Like, you're not going to have to wait three years. Doesn't that help?

Yes, I can stay patient. Also, I've got a lot of other reading to do, you know? But none by George R. Martin. You know, if he ever starts, if he publishes another book, I'll start reading them. Have you read any of his blogs about like football? I did. I have. You've read like his Giants and Jets blogs.

You read his Daniel Jones takes back in the day. just like, oh, what a busy one. Do you mean that? Okay. We need to, we need to clarify the rules of this deal. Especially after he said he was saying, he was saying. I'm also on the hook for so much stuff right now. I'm supposed to be watching Miazaki movies.

I'm supposed to be like... You were supposed to be singing some original spring scene-esque lyrics. Let's forget about Kiki's delivery service a sentence I've never said in my entire life. And let's just say, is it a, like, a Dunkin' A novella? No, it's a throne novel. It's Winds of Winter. Yeah. Okay.

Okay, George. I mean, what a... George. Well, he needs everything. every little bit of motivation he can get. I think this is going to be the thing to pushes him over the edge. The CR promise.

He can't write a Kyler Murray could work out for the Jets blog. It has to be something more than that. Kyler would be an interesting jet. What do you think, Sean would think of that? I think we should end our season-long discussion of a beautiful television show with Kyler Murray. Feels right.

For Joanna Robinson, for Mallory Rubin. I'm Chris Ryan. Thank you so much to everybody who's worked on this show and help make it what it is. Thanks for everybody for watching us on YouTube and on Spotify. and commenting. Carlos, Arjuna, Jomi, Sarah, the whole crew.

The whole crew. The whole crew. Thank you so much. And we will be back with you, I guess, in the summer for Gars of the Dragon. I don't know why I said it that way. Aw. Pay off your home. Travel for life. Drive a Ferrari.

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