Netflix’s ‘Avatar: The Last Airbender’ Winners and Losers
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01:55I've chased down every hint of the avatar.It's my destiny.I'm not someone who can stop the Fire Nation.I don't want the responsibility.You don't have to do this alone.You have me, Tara, and a flying ball of fur.What more do you need?To House of R.
02:40Joanna Robinson joining me today.She's theAgne to Mike. Did I say this last time we did an Avatarpodcast? Maybe.Rubin. Hi, Mallory. How you doing?Joanna RobinsonThe Moonslayer herself.Hello.
03:02We're here to talk about Avatar,the last episode, AirVendor,Netflix's eight-episode live-action adaptationof the animated series.If you want to hear our thoughts on theanimated series, a show we love dearly and truly. We did a top 10 moments for that show,like a week and a half ago thereabouts. You can go listen to that if you want to. If you want to getour general sense of our fandom for the animated series. But today we just wanted to take you
03:29through the Netflix Live Action series. We're not doing a deep dive because it's eight episodes.We're not sure where everyone is on their watch, that sort of thing. So we thought we'd bring backan old Ringer classic,which is the winners and the losersof Avatar the Last Airbender.We picked eight,four winners,four losers,
03:50four elements,four kingdoms,eight episodes of the show.There's a lot of numerical synchronicity here.Malo,how do you feel about this format?Are you excited to declare winners and losers?Yeah,
04:03I love a winners and losers rubric here at the ringer.It's a,I'd say a part of the soulof the ringer universe. So this is our first house of ourwinners and losers experience. I'm excited. It feels right. And I think it's a nice wayto chat about a show wheresome things worked and some things didn't. We have some notes. And we havesome things to celebrate as well. So we'll be talking about those things
04:28today. Parking reminders generally,June 2 is upon us very soon. We are so excited. The wholering reverse plus house of our crewwent to go see it last nightI got to see everyone that was so funwonderfulvan commentary on Doom 2is sort of everything you want in a theater
04:50so great timeso the Midnight Boyswe'll be doing double doing coverage this weekthey'll be doing a look backand then they'll be covering they'll have their instant reactionto Dune 2the Mint Edition is doingspeaking of Avatar the Last Airbender
05:05a cartoon to live actHere comes the pitch episodes.So I want to listen to that over on Midd Edition.And then we, the House of Our Lovers, Spiceheads Galore, lovers of Aracas.We'll be doing our double-dune celebration next week.We'll be back on Monday with the Deep Dive.And then we'll be doing a Hall of Fame.This is the introduction of this idea that we've been talking about for a really long time.
05:31Second episode.Oh, yeah, yeah.We did the Loki.Thank you.We did Loki.Just as we celebrated Loki.we shall be celebratingPaula Trades,
05:39a characterthat we think isfascinating.We want to talk about.Madim,welcome into the houseof our whole fame.So, Liza al-Ga-Im.
05:49Welcome, welcome.So yes,Hall of FameI can't wait for that.For Paulotrides next week,as well as our Duneto Deep Dive.Over under
05:58three hourson the,on the Dune Deep Dive.Vegas has taken it off the board.Yeah, okay, great.Um, wonderful, wonderful.Molly Rubin, if folks have thoughts about Dune, a three-body problem, which is further on down the road,this avatar, an apple that they ate, a refutation of Minichheim's great thread about apples over on Twitter.
06:26Salient insights from a brilliant mind.Some briny pickle takes, like where should they put all those thoughts and dealings?Yeah.So a few things.If you have some missives that you'd like to say,the inbox is always open.Hobbits and Dragons at gmail.com.Send your thoughts.
06:44If you don't have thoughts to send,but you want to hear thoughts from us,follow the pod on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.And while you're at it,check out the ringer versus various social media handles.The ringer versus on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter.Did the ringer verse gang take a groupphoto with the Dune Fuck It Bucket Bucket,
07:08you'll have to follow on socialto find out.Did I travel down to L.A.and buy the bucket just for the photo opportunity?Did Mallory Rubin?As soon as she got her bucket,which she was very fearful of because she was like,I put my popcorn in this.
07:24Has this been washed?Has it been washed?Has other people, have other people touched it?But she said that first.The second thing she said was,I can't wait to take our photos.And as they were sitting waiting for the movie,she's like, I can't wait to take our photos.
07:34after. So the photos existbecause of Mallory Rubin willed it tobe. They're pretty tame, I gotto say.You know, if you told meto like fist the bucketfor content, I would have.Spoiler warning and adult content
07:50warning, ringer, Rhyr, Hasabar.The adult content warning came a little late today.Too late. Too late. I think.This is a kid's show, I soapologize. House Bar contains adultcontent occasionally.Great stuff. Probably not too bad today, but we'll see.No promises.
08:05Spoiler warning.Yeah.All the way up through the eighth episode of the live action.And what we say, dare we say, some dribs and drabs from the animated series as well.Because some of the season one live action show dips into later episodes of the animated series.And I cannot promise that we will not reference those things as we talk about this.Is that sound fair?Mallory?
08:29Yes.I think that anything that happened in the animated series in season one that was not included in this is fair.game and anything that was actively moved forward from future seasons as fair game, we willdo our best to limit slash avoid spoiling long-term character arcs and plot points. That won't happen.Or will it? Mostly. We might have some contextualization. Yes. That accounts for where certaincharacters go, but we're not going to be like in episode. Correct. Seven of season three at the 11 minute mark.Correct.All right.
09:05I don't think.After that, smooth introduction and flawless,spoiler wording and we definitely rememberto ask you where people can follow the pod.But here we go to talk about eight episodes of the Netflix series.Showrunner Albert Kim is the mastermind behind this seasonafter the original animated series creators left.We'll be talking about Mike and Brian a little later in this podcast,
09:33and I'm really excited to talk about them.But like, that's something to just bear in mind that whatever's going on here is somethingthat the original creators are like, that's not really our interpretation of our story.Or that's not really what we want to spend our time doing.That's just something that I was thinking about while I was watching the show.It doesn't let's just go now to our opening snapshot.So yeah, we just wanted to use like brief overall thoughts on the show.I would just say like with with as I indicated on several like prep pods
10:08this or or hype drafts or whatever it was.I was really, really, really worried about this show because Brian and Mike left.And I will just say for my like big picture or thought is that I didn't dislike it as muchas I was worried I was going to dislike it, which is why we have four solid winners,I think, to talk about this week or at least three and a half solid winners talk aboutthis week.I was really, really worried about the show.And then I was watching it and I was like, oh, I like that.
10:37And I like that.No, I don't mind that.And that's actually like a nice adaptive change.I know some people are completely out on this.And some people who have never seen the animated show are like really into it and excitedto like learn about this new world.So there's a whole, I've seen a whole mix of reactions, uh, to this show.Molly Rubin, where are you sitting this fine Monday morning?
10:56You know, I thought this was a mixed bag.Yeah.Which is why we've once again landed on our winners and losers rubric for today.I genuinely did not dislike.this season of TV or think that this was like,let's say in Avatar the Last Airbender movie-esque abomination.Like we have seen, we know what a true failure to execute a live actionadaptation of this story looks like.
11:25That's not what this was.I found things to like in this.I found things to enjoy.Ultimately, I found myself like because we have not only seen the original series,but have such a deep and abiding affection for it,unable to stop thinking about it as I was watching this,which is reasonable and I guess predictablefor people who love the animated series.
11:53So like on the one hand, I can't put myself into the positionof somebody who is coming into the Avatar universe for the first time.As you know, that was one of you just alluded to this.One of the things I was excited about in the run-up to the showwas not only seeing this show and seeing how Netflix brought the world to life,but like what a Netflix banger can mean for people discovering a world.And like my hope remains that people who watch this for the first time,this is their first introduction to the Avatar universe,
12:24are excited to hopefully go watch the original animated series.Go watch Cora and fall deeper into the world.I think that if you don't have an attachment to the original source material and you came into this cold,maybe things about it don't work, but I think probably it's a pretty enjoyable experience.Some of the changes I actually think are okay.And some of them I am utterly perplexed by and confounded by.I was thinking a little bit about Asoka watching this, not like, which is different, obviously,because even though this is not a beat for beat for beat recreation of the,
13:03first season of the animated series, as we'll discuss,like the condensing and reordering of some of the plotsis something that was on our minds watching it.But broadly, the redoing the thing we've already seen in live action,the Asoka Live Action show is not a redo of Clone Wars or Rebels.It's a new story.But I was thinking a lot about that initial acclimation period,even with performances that we ultimately ended up in some cases really enjoying,
13:30where just you're seeing somebody brought to life.by a different performer in a different way,and it just takes you a while to get used to it, right?So, like, as is often the case revisiting it,I found that a little bit easier to hang with,but ultimately just some of the performances I thought captured.I'm okay with everything being different.Like, it has to be definitionally.
13:49I actually think attempting, like, a cosplay of the originalwould be a mistake.Like, giving the performers room to do their own thingis probably necessary,or it always is going to seem like mimicryor, like, a pale imitation of the thing we got before.But I think just definitionally the truth is going to be that some of those performancesand some of that is how the characters are brought to life by the performers
14:11and some of it is just how the characters are written and what they have to do in the story,like what the actual scripts are, what the material is that each character's working with.Some of that just worked better than others, and we will hit that as we go today.So, yeah.On the cosplay front, it's interesting to me, one of the more alarming trends I've seen,mostly on TikTok, I haven't been spending a lot of time on Avatar TikTok,but are people comparing this to the M. Night Shyamalan movie and claiming the M. Night Shyamalan movie was better.And I can only chalk this up. Absolutely not.
14:43I know. But I can only chalk that up to similar thing as what happened with the prequels,which is like a generation who watched the M. Night Shyamalan movies when they were kidsand maybe had never seen the animated and they sort of grew up with some light affection for it.but I'm actually, I'm not putting the prequels and prequels are better than the N. Night Chamel and Avatar movie, let me be clear.But that generational thing of like, the generation who like went to the movies as kids to see that movie with like the eyes of children are like, maybe that movie wasn't so bad.I can hang with that when you're talking about some wig and costume issues because on the cosplay front, we're going to come back to wakes a little later.But like on the costume front, this is what.what made me believe that both believe that Albert Kim,
15:31who ran the show and the various people working the show,were huge fans of the animated series.Because the costumes and the wigs and everythingare like meticulous recreations of the animated version.And what I will say for the M. Night Shyamination in the movieis that like the costuming and the wigs and stuff like thatwere just sort of like a nice adaptation into what this would look likein a more realistic live action world.
15:57I can give it that, but I can't give it anything else in this life or the next.No quarter for that movie, which is terrible.I rewatch that movie this weekend.It is astoundingly bad.I mean, it is, I think, one of the worst things ever committed to the public record.It is, in every respect, it misses the mark.And so again, this is absolutely leaps and bounds superior to that.It's the way that they say, Ong and Avatar.
16:30Ophatar.All of the pronunciations being different for absolutely no reason.Everything about it is just utterly confounding and befuddling.So I want to just make sure I'm being clear on the cosplay point.Like, I don't actually mean, I think your point about the costumes is a great one.I mean like the performers.No, I was just, yes, the ending here.Use to the word.
16:51Yeah.I felt better about the people who weren't trying so hard to be the,original versions of themselves. And those are like the places for me to celebrate.Whereas someone like the young actor was playing Saka,like there's a lot to enjoy it in his performance,but there are times when I just felt him like Serrani just sound exactly likethe animated version. And I'm like, well, you don't have to, man. You could justdo your own thing and that works too. So anyway, we'll talk about all of this.
17:19But yeah, I mean, overall, I would say the problem, we talked about this in our prep podand Dave and Neil and I talked about this a lot on trauma.by content last weekwhen we were talking aboutlive actionadaptations of animated series.A live actionadaptation just has
17:35this extra burdenof meaning to justifyits existence.When a perfect thing existslike the animated series,so why does thislive action version exist?The most optimistic
17:45interpretationis Mallory's,which is like,what a way to introducea whole new subsetof people into a worldthey may not ever check outbecause they're like,
17:55I don't want towatch a Nickelodeon kids animated show or whatever.So that's a bright and sunny idea.The more cynical look is this is an IP cash grab, you know?I don't think that's why they did it.I just think that could be one of the benefits on it.IP wars, streaming wars, this is just our new reality.So I don't believe this show justified its existence,
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20:23Nars, better together.Visit Sephora to shop now.So let's go now, shall we?to our four winners and four losersof Avatar the Last Airbender,Netflix's live action,eight episode series.Mallory and I have each picked two winners and two losers each,
20:49though we roughly co-sign each other's picks.It's not like we're objecting to anything,but I think you will be able to tell,at least in one instance,who picked which entry.We're just going to start, we're going to alternate,we're going to start with a loseronly because I want to end with a winner.
21:06So we end with an upbeat,celebration of the world of Avatar,but that means we're starting with a loser,and it is my go first, I suppose.And this is the only time we're centering on, like, one character.And I have actually seen some people enjoy this depiction of this character.But for me, this version of Iro misses the mark in a very significant way.So for me, a loser, this depiction of Uncle Iro.
21:36And I think the reason it stood out to me so muchis when we heard about the casting,and Paul Sung-Hung Lee,who we know from Mandalorianand Kim's convenience,seemed like perfect casting me,especially his work on Kim's convenience,where he plays, you know,
21:58a character who is referred to as Appa.He is so wonderful and warm on that show.And so I was like, oh, yeah, that's Iro for sure.And then he shows up here.And first of all, he doesn't look quite right to me because he looks to like neat and tidy.I need my Iro to be a little shabbier than what we got here.But mainly, we start promisingly there is some like funny business with like I see some snacks I want and stuff like that.but overall, I feel like they decided to,
22:37this is true for a lot of characters,they decided to zero in on one aspectand ignore the full-bodied richness of a character.And for IRO, they focused in on the emotional connection to Zucco,the, you know, sorrow around the loss of his son,all of that.And the emotional connection with Zuko, the avoncular father figure,all of that sort of stuff, that comes through.
23:01but I was missing the full picture of Iro,which is that he is like silly and weird and funnyand people constantly underestimate him because of that.That whole other aspect.And that is why Iro is like one of our most cherished charactersbecause of all the notes he plays.And so to see an actor who I know is capable of that,be given material that only lets him do a fraction of this,
23:31beloved character.And Iro, I think, is like the spine of the show in many ways.It was a real mess for me.How did you feel, Holly Urban?Yeah.So of the eight selections that we have landed on today, I think this is the, certainlythe one where we have the largest gap in our feelings.And honestly, maybe the only one of the eight where we really have any differing opinion on
23:59it, I think we're pretty aligned on the.on the rest of them.I don'tI don't necessarilylike as you're laying that outit's hard for me to disputea single part of that.I think that the Iro
24:14performance worked a little bitbetter for me becauseactually of what you'reidentifying, which isthat broaddecision to focus in on the one thing, which Ithink is a limitation of theadaptation on the whole, without a doubt.
24:30the thing that they centered on here,how Zuko and Iro's respective trauma and losshas brought them together, connects to,again, if you'd like to hear more of our thoughts on this,please check out our prior podcastwhere we discussed our favorite momentsfrom the original animated series.My single favorite thing about the original show.
24:53And so I, like, I am such a suckerand such an easy mark that, of course,it won't surprise you to hear,that as we are watching Iro sit at his son's service,tears streaming down his face,as Zucco gives him not only the medal,but this beautiful insight about what Luton gave to Zucco,not just physically and literally,
25:19but this lesson,this important thing,and they break out the cords,leaves from the vine.We were watching this on the couch,and he was like,how dare they?I agree.
25:34Yeah, and you too,he was,I told,I previewed your take on this for himand he was very happy.Um,I was just like,a wreck.
25:45It really got me.So that part of it worked for me.I think that broadly what you are identifyingabout the absence of the quirkiness and the oddity is totally right.And I,I felt that too.It connects to a large,feeling that we have about the season that we will be discussing later on today's episode.
26:06Take a little moment like the Omashu arrival, where Zuko, of course, can't spare a moment, right?And Iro is so excited to sample the offerings, taste some delicious meat, right?Of course, and it's always tea time.Yeah.But also just to like steep, not just the tea leaves, but to steep in a culture, right?And I gather it's charm is lost on you.And he says that to Zuko.Like those are the kind of moments in addition to the quirkiness that I would have loved more of.
26:45Because as you're saying, Aero is like the beating heart of the story, the character who does,and a lot of other characters do this as well, but who's so almost seen by scene minute after minute.reminds us like why it is worth, not just fighting actively, but rooting for and believing in otherpeople, like in trying to make your way forward. The fact that he can do that, I love the pointthat you're making about people underestimating him. And, you know, we get a little bit of thathis confrontation with the deeply resentful and bitter Earth Kingdom soldier, right, who is carryinghis own wound and is like, well, I'm just going to pummel you and you're going to take it.and that's not what is waiting for him on the other end.
27:29But it's not nearly as present here.And I think you're right that that's something we're missing.What I will say is that, you know, rewatch, like, watching it all the way through and then watching the season again, when I restarted, I was like, oh, no, I was being too hard.Like, there's Iro.Like, at the beginning.And then that whole facet of him goes away, I would say, in like the back two thirds of the season.Like, we get some glances of it at the beginning.And then it's like, no time.
27:55for this, which is a common...Also connects to another thing we'll be discussing today.A common feeling season.I think also what I love, you know,what is helpful in something that isnot wonderful adaptation of something you love,is it helps you better understand why the thing you love workedin the first place.
28:12So thinking about the missing elements here,I would say part of the beautiful richness of the Avataranimated characters,and we touched upon this a little bit in our Golden Trio's episode that we did,where we were like, well, it's hard to put these kids in one slot because they're constantly sort of like moving all over the place.There's not just their characters arcing. I think what's true of most of these characters is that they have these contradictory dual facets to that, you know, like, Katara is the sweet emotional girl until she's like, fuck, angry, scary, you know, and like, tough and, like, tough and hardcore until she's, like, wounded and she's not.And so all these characters have so many layers to them that you get to see.And each layer and each facet that feels almost contradictory makes it so much more rewarding.
29:03So like the depth of emotion that Iro has for Zuko and various other people that he meets and the sensitivity and the understanding hits that much harder because he is often so like focused on tea.And so you're just sort of like, oh, but actually he knows.So he knows exactly what matters, which is tea, hot tubs, noodles, and the people that you love.Right?So all those.And pie show, of course.Okay.So yeah.
29:34That is my first loser, Iro, and I'm going to pair it with a winner.Because while we're talking about the adults in the show, I want to highlight two people that I think just knocked it out of the park entirely.And they are both alums of a TV show that we talk about occasionally.You might have heard of it.It's called love.I mean, out of it, lot.But the legend Daniel Day Kim, who played Jin on Lost, and Ken Leung, who plays Miles on Lost, are here as Fire Lord Ozai and Commander Zhao, respectively.I want to start with Daniel Day Kim.
30:11Okay.Who was, I would argue, the biggest name attached to this show, right?You know, other than, like, you know, George DeKay is doing a voice and, like, you know, there's some voice acting.stuff like that, but I would say of the live actors, Daniel DeKim is the person that peoplewere like, oh my God, Daniel DeKim is doing this.Worth remembering that this man is in his mid-50s and when he takes this shirt offfor the eye and five, he has a six-pack.He looks incredible.
30:44Unbelievable.But I think additionally, and he's like, not everyone is able to work with the elaborate wigand like facial hair that they're givenand he is like making theozai wig,the cartoon accurateOzai wig and likelengthy goate
30:59absolutely work.Like doesn't look silly.It looks right.Daniel's Kim is great.He's a great actor.This is almost a writing winbecause they did a complicated passin direct opposite to what I just said
31:14about the oversimplificationof certain characters.They did a really complicated passon Ozai here.where he reminds me a lot more of a Logan Roy than he does necessarily a fire lord Ozai.The Masks episode where we get the Zucco flat,the main Zucco flashback.And we get some of Ozzy's motivations we're doing,
31:40which is not just like he's an evil asshole.It's he genuinely believes in toughness and tough love is what his child needs here.Daniel D. Kim is giving some likesome empathy and tendernessin this horrific thing that this father does.It's all like sort of in the,like he genuinely does on some level believethat this is the best thing for his son.
32:04And then added to thatis the way in which he's manipulatingAzula, his daughter,and pitting his children against each otherin a way that Fire Lord Ozaidoesn't directly do in the animated series.We also get an Ozai,Iro interaction, which we never get in the animated series.
32:23It's very enjoyable.That was really cool.Yeah, I just thought it was like, oh, you know, like you're, obviously you hired D.Dean and Day Kim, let's give Dianna Day Kim more to do than just cackling evil, which again,Mark Campbell in the animated is great at.We know that that's something he loves and knows how to do.But this is just a much more complicated OSA, and I love that for me.What do you think, Mallory?
32:46Easily one of the highlights of the seasonand a pleasant surprisein the like anticipating run-upwhere we're excited, of course,the Daniel Day came as in the show.But I think that for me at leastwas paired with the question of,okay, we have a lot of anxiety collectively
33:08about what is not going to make it into this season.Yeah, the episodes are long,but there's only eight of them.And so we just understoodwe know how these seasons are made, right?There's going to be this, like, condensed, propulsive,plot-driven aspect of the story.You moved, like, Ozai is, of course, a presence,
33:28a figure, this looming specter from the word go.But Ozzy as a character who is actually in scenes,saying things out loud.This moved, like, way up, right?His role is a prominent figure.Yes.And so while I was very excited to see Daniel Day came in the role,I was like, what will this come in?
33:46place of. There was not a second that he was on screen that I was worried about that. And in fact,it would have loved to have even more time with him because I thought he was riveting broadly.I think Fire Nation was a win of the adaptation. I think there are losses inside of that. We justhad the discussion about Iro. I don't know if we want to talk about this now or maybe there's abetter place to hit this later. Did not particularly enjoy the rendering of the Oslo May.Ty Lee Trio have some thoughts and questions and notes about that that we'll get to at some point today.But,we've already discussed Iro,
34:29pretty fond of the Zucco performance.I think Zucco,I think Dallas New was the best of the main kids.Like,easily.Yeah,I thought his performance was great.And again,
34:39like we were alluding to in the opening snapshot,the Zucco animated performance is an iconic one.and he's a cherished and beloved character.And so you have that initial, like, wait, this isn't what I'm,just my mind is programmed to receive.But as soon as that ceased, which was like, honestly, like a scene or two.I'm just like, this is a pretty compelling magnetic performancethat captured the spirit of the character as well.
35:11I thought it was better than Dev,which is not fair to Deb because Dev is inside a horrible movie.The material that Dev had to work with was again,absolute travesty.I never in my life said,I thought this person was better thanDev Patel because Deb Patel is one of my all-timeeverything always.
35:28I thought Dallas Liu asZucco was a completetriumph for me.Yeah.I really was taken by him.He's a trained martial artist,so like his fighting, like his fighting work,especially the Agni Kai,
35:44I just thought looked incredible.And Van made this greatpoint on the Midnight Boys, which is that he had the advantage of often working against,he was working opposite Ken Lung, Daniel Day Kim, and Paul as Iro.Like, he was working against these accomplished adult actors most of the time.You know, he has some stuff with Ang, et cetera.But, like, most of the time he's working with adults.That helps, I think.
36:07And I agree with that.But I just, like, I do, like, looking back, I think Masks was my favorite episode.And it's, like, very much a Zuko episode, you know.Yeah.The Zuko backstory stuff, I thought, was incredible.I agree.And then you built, I loved that point about being paired with the adults.And then you get the change of pace of a moment like Ang asking Zucco about the, which hair he uses and his brushes.
36:32And it's just, I don't know, like pretty much everything with Zucco worked for me.I also think, like I was saying earlier, I think that is part of why I didn't mind the Iro rendering as much because it's just so deeply connected to Zucco.and I was such a fan of the Zucco adaptation.But so the Fire Nation win, Fire Nation win, Ozai win,Committer Zhao, we'll talk about in a minute, win.So overall, I thought the Fire Nation was more successfully renderedthan certain other groups.Ozai, there is like an absolute chilling quality
37:07to what we are witnessing.And whether it's a moment of pride and triumphor a moment of just,judgment and ridicule, your heart is racing and your stomach is clenching in the same way.I felt just as sick watching the glistening in his eye when he saw Azula channel lightningfor the first time, as I did hearing him say to Zuko, his son who he has tormented andmaimed, I have made a mistake. I have sheltered you and it's made you soft like your mother.Like, this is just a hideous thing.
37:47And the depth, as you're noting,that informs our ability to understand what's fueling a person's,how could a person behave that way to somebody they should,that they should be charged with caring and nurturing and protecting and guiding.And then the contrast of Iro showing up on the boat, like, home, all I need is here.That was great.The highlight of the season.Yeah.
38:10And then the added, I gasped at that line in the added context we have of, like,knowing what happened with Zucco's mom.if we are fans of the animated series in the comics,like,then you understand where Ozai's come.I don't know.I thought it was,I thought it was really well-written,
38:24well-performed character.Taylor Day of Kim,maybe has never played a straight villain,at least that I've seen.And so, you know,like a really fun moment for him.Ketalong,like, I think is my favorite thing
38:38that happened in this show.This is a deranged performance.I mean,that is a sincere compliment,obviously.Jal Lung,as voiced byyour love and mine,
38:50Jason and Isaacsin the animated series,like we love Jason Isaacs.I would never give him a single note.I think his job is fine,but his job winds up being like a kind of likesomewhat unmemorable season onesort of like mini boss on our way forward
39:05because Azula and Ozai like looms so largelater in the series.I'm not going to be forgetting this Zhao anytime soonbecause like theabsolute genius this actor hasand he did it on losthe's not on everythinghe does it in an industry
39:21he like doesn't everything he's ever doneI can't wait for industry to come backis he is just so effortlesslyfunny he has this just dryas toast deliveryof just like the mostyou know I was just likerewatching it and I was like
39:36on the pagecactus juice in the desertin this season Joejust on the pagethe most likeboring lines and he would just deliver it with this like ironic lilt that I just was justsoaking up. I absolutely loved him. It's funny. I heard from someone, I can't remember it wasan email I read or tweet and I apologize, but like they felt like they wanted to give the
40:01Watchables award to Ken for being like seeming like he's in a different show than the show we'rewatching. I don't agree, but I see where they're coming from. But this is like the humor I was oftenlooking for.And I'm like, I'm getting it from Zhao of all people.But I was just, I just thought it was scrumptious.It wasn't surprised.Wonderful.I thought he was immensely entertaining and supremely unhinged.
40:31I love a delusional striver.Love a delusional striver.And that is one of the tweaks in the adaptation.or amplifications that I thought was really smart.Because I love the way you're,the mini boss framing for original season oneis exactly right and perfect.I don't think there's ever really a moment watching it.
40:59Sometimes it can be hard to separatewhere you know things are goingfrom how you felt about it in real time.But I don't really think there's a momentwhere you're like,this is ultimately who the threat is, right?You sort of know you're waiting to move beyond him.And especially in a,
41:14a story where purpose and motivation is so central for the characters we're investing in.Understanding that in equal measure for the people opposing them on the other side is reallycrucial.And you pair that with a character who is not only willing, but eager to weaponize the dynamicsand interplay between other people and use that for his own ends.Like a moment where he says to Zuko near the very end of the season,The winner is the one without the scar from Daddy?Like, this is savage.
41:50Savage.So good.It was incredible.So good.It was incredible.And to your point about the comedy, I think that across the season, one of the thingsthat inhibited me from really, really, really, really luxuriating inside of a specificscene episode, the season overall, is that the writing occasionally just felt so clunky and ham-fisted.
42:15and not just, as is often the case, in a moment of exposition.Often, unfortunately, in the moments that are supposed to be deeply emotionally resonant,Zhao was kind of the opposite, where everything he said had a crackling intensity to it,and the zingers, they came saying.I was trying to think of my favorite, because he had a few really funny, loony lines.I think, I wonder what they'll call me when the news reaches Capitol City.I quite like Jowl the Conqueror.It should have some flair.
42:53Best summed up what worked about the character.So, that was truly great.Truly great.All right.Also, Fire Nation, great.Also, I don't know.I need to say it again, but I will watch Lost.What a great show.
43:07Okay.Treat yourself.Loser, I'm going to hand this one over to you, Mali Rubin.next loser number six.I'd say thank you.But you're too angry.It pains me to have to sharefirst loser of the day, Joe.
43:32Amy lover of a magical creature.We're losers today, folks.There is not even closeto enough Momo and Appain this show.and it is something that we need to discuss for a moment.And something that I cannot understand.I mean, I can.
43:56I do actually literally understand.It's incredibly expensive to render these creatures.But they are sidelined for such vast stretches of, again, a short season that they're, like, largely absent.they're basically not in the Earth Kingdom run.It's like, where are they doing?It's like, I mean, I guess why would they, I suppose,but they can't do it opposite last days?Because like, why would you even notice he's gone when he's always gone?
44:35So thank you for saying this,because this is something I was thinking of.We talked a lot on our top moments primer podabout how, like, one of the things that's so wonderful about both APA and MoMois that they're just always there.Right. Whether they are actively the focus of a given plot point or moment, they're present. And part of that is like the charm of just seeing whatever mischief Momo is up to at a given moment. But part of it is reinforcing the theme that they are a part of this family. They are a part of Team Avatar. And so it actually is concerning and troubling to me that that is not conveyed here. We get, we do get some cute moments. Like it's fun.to see Appa fly in to the rescue, of course.Momo, Momo land on Saka's head.
45:25Yeah, Momo landing on Saka's head.Delightful.Momo stealing the food in episode two, delightful,throwing boulders at Fire Nation Warriors with his tail.Hilarious.But holding the food like he's mimicking how Saka is packing.Great stuff.Digging up the egg corn in episode five.
45:46momo in the palm of his hand showing our heroes that it is possible to believe in hopemomo with the little soot particle cough warning in episode seven we get just enough to i think actuallyfeel even more keenly what we are missing now the oppus last day thing like whenlost days not god perish the thought not last days godThat's funny.I thought you said lost day.I was like,it's more than one day,
46:19but you were like last day.Many,many weeks.The anguish that we and the characters in the showexperience when APA is missing is,is basically the reality of this series of TV so farwhere they're just not presentand thus not stitched into the fabric of the family in the universe.
46:40The reason other than just loving Apa,particularly loving Momo and craving themand thinking that,They were so cute when we got that.Momo in particular I thought it was just darling.This is a real worry spot for me, as you know.Like, I actually get beyond the just, oh, I love a cute animal bit.It's not a bit.
47:03It's just real.It's just life.I'm sensitive to the risk of genre stories of fantasy stories,failing to understand something crucial about a bond like this.Like, it's very John and Ghost to me.It actually genuinely matters that APA and MoMA, MoMo are present for these charactersand helping them find the courage in themselves to move forward throughout the day.So that's kind of the big picture.
47:36Can I, before you get to the next point that you're about to say,it's like major, major thing that you want to talk about,I just want to, I just want to ramp up to it to say,yeah, watching this and I was like,okay, I was watching my screeners.I watched a bit before you.And I was like, because there were things that worked,I was legitimately worried.
47:56And you were sort of more optimistic about the series than I was.I was a little worried that like you were going to love it.And I was not.And then we were going to have to pot about it.And I would feel like I was letting you down,but not liking a thing as much as you liked it.Oh, that wouldn't let me down.I know, but I worry about it.
48:10I know you wouldn't.But like in my head, my like figment of my imagination head, Mallory would be.And so I was like, oh, no, what if Mallory like loves this?and I'm not really like loving it.Oh, no.And then, you know, noticing in general the absence of Momonapa.And then a thing happens for the end of the season.I was like, oh, they're dead to Mallory.
48:30Oh, it's over for them in Mallory's eyes.So Mallory, what happens at the end of the season?At the 13 minute and 45 second mark of the season one finale,a crime occurs.A crime.committed by the people who made Avatar the Last Airbender season one.Call the streaming covers.For Netflix.
49:03I believe that everybody who is in any way responsible for what unfolded here should be jailed.I believe that.What's the phrase that you've texted me and all of us in all caps several times?I believe I said maimed and killed.Several times.I was very upset about this.At 13.40, 45, Momo,peril unfolding all around us, up in the north,
49:42flies in the hero that he is to rescue a hapless young member of the Northern Water Tribe.We barely bring myself to say this.We then get Momo screeches as the subtitle.And he is crushed beneath rush.And Saka goes over after insulting him.Yeah.And pulls out his limp form.Crumpled body.
50:23Yeah.And U.A. and Saka carry him into the oasis, the healing waters, and view him with life again.Then we get a cute moment.We get a little Mo Mo Mo Mo Chitter.And Saka nuzzles him and hugs him and pets him and Mo Mo Mo Purrs.And that part's very sweet.But the fact that we were made to suffer through a Mo Mo Mo Mo Injury, one of the fucking like seven moments that Momo is on screen.And by the way, you know what one of the other ones was?
50:59It was Saka saying that and Saka saying he wants to eat Momo as part of the canon.And that's fine.Yeah.But cutting, like the, the Thronesian gray scale to pie filling cut equivalent of Saka's saying thatMomo looks like chicken and then cutting to somebody grilling a slab of meat is, that was inepisode two, 615.That is not acceptable.And this is like, remember when Grogo, we had to see Grogo in the crosshairs?
51:32Yeah.in sanctuary.I do.This is if they had like fucking actually pulled the trigger and shot him in the face.That's what they did here to Momo.Welcome.Like I, that was like almost like a Charlesworthy level rant and I loved it from you.What are we doing here?
51:56I had the channel Charles for that one.This really would be bad.I know.My sweet Momo, protect him.I think a problem, I mean, not everything's going to have the budget of something else or whatever,but I do think you're very spoiled by the puppetry of the Star Wars shows,which means that we get constant grogo, tons of creatures that just like look like they're actually thereand are, you know, are just, like, thank you.
52:24Star Wars, you're not always hitting it out of the park all the time when your TV shows,but what you're doing on the puppetry level is phenomenal.and it means that Grogo gets to, like,we, Moe should be there as much as Groku is therein the Mandalorian.Yeah, and I think this gets to this larger pointof the ability to properly adaptfrom animation to live action
52:45because genuinely, like,we could be cognizant of the cost of the CGI rendering all we want.If you can't have two of the most central figures,I mean this sincerely, in the story,why do it? Yeah.And like, when you think about puppetry,like, think about a character,Whenever I, Opah, one of my favorite characters of all time,
53:03but I always think about Falcour, the Luck Dragon,who the never-ending story film,like they have very similar vibes to me.And, you know, Falcour, one of the best puppets of all time,is just like, you know, again, just there and around.And, you know, just, anyway, yeah, if you can't do it, why I do it?That's a great note.Okay.
53:25Number five is back to me, one of my winners.and I'm going to saybending effects.We already mentioned the abominationthat is the M-night Shyamalan movie.There's so many things wrong with it,but I would sayjust slightly under the fact
53:41that they pronounce iton and Avatarand maybe under the factthat Momo, that Ava looks likean absolutely hideous monsterin that movieis the absolutelylaughable bending
53:56that happens in that moviethat is like slowthat is like, slow,that is like,like the Earth Kingdom doing just like an entire Haka routine just to lift one rock.Like it's so embarrassing in that movie.And you're just like, again, if you can't do it, why do it?That applies to the bending and that.
54:13Like if you can't make bending look cool with whatever axis you have to digital effects,then you can't do an avatar story.This is not really what we're talking about.But you know what drives me fucking crazy on the bending effects front for the first?So they make the nonsensical choice to implement.that Fire Nation vendors have to have fire around to pull from.And then, you know, it builds this moment where I wrote, it's like, oh my, he, he, he created his own fire.Okay.
54:43Ridiculous.But if you're going to do that, which you shouldn't.But if you're going to.And there is a climactic battle between the Fire Nation and the Northern Water Tribe.And you are the Northern Water Tribe.would you have fire everywhere just everywhere little nestled flames waiting for your enemy all aroundoh my god i forgot moving um so this open like i when this season opens and we are you know in the long agopart of history.
55:26And I had some like disorienting like why are we doing this?What for what reason?I ended up not hating that again, I think becauseseeing Air Nation alive and vibrant again just like gives us that whole whatdo we what do we lose?What do we miss?That sort of thing.Spending time in the Shire.
55:48I thought Kiyatsu worked really well.But we're not here to talk about Kiyatsu and Air Nation at all.Yatou coming through.Yeah.Some real.Giazoo was wonderful.Shire energy, you're right.But it opens with a bending fight.
56:00It's the very first thing we see,as if Albert Kim and all of his,the folks work in the show are like,we need to let them know right awaythat we are not going to give themwhat M. Night Shyamlan gave them.We know what we're doing.And I think the bending looks great.
56:13I think it looks phenomenal throughout.I have no notes about any of the bending,not fire bending, not water bending.Definitely not earth bending looks great.The like stomp-up slice off,which is like one of my favorite earth-bending moves,like all of that just I think looks fantastic.I think the only thing that I've seen people push back on the betting front
56:33is that they think Aang is able to like fly too easilywhen he should be like more,it should be harder for him to glide.But I think he does that in the animated series all the time.So it's not really a note that I have.But yeah, I just, I thought, I thought it looked fantastic.I thought the fighting overall,I think there was a little bit of an,
56:54I guess when we open with that fight,I was a little,and we'll get to my big note for the season a little later,but I was a little worried at some of the rumors that I heardthat Netflix was sort of chasing,wanting to have, as everyone has, their own thrones.And I was like, are they wanting to make Avatar into a Thrones-esque showwith like darker, grimmer violence and stuff like that?
57:15And they're, you know, when you're watching people get burned alivein live action, it is a different experience than watching it happenin a cartoon, and I will concede that entirely.But when it comes down to, like,I like the fight action of the show.Once again, I go back to that Agni Kai sequence,which I thought was just phenomenal.This all works for me.
57:37I thought it was fantastic.What do you think, fine?Yeah, I'm a fan as well.And sometimes a trailer dupes us into thinking something is going to be great,and then we're let down.I don't know.Let's just throw out Sierra Invasion.is one property where that happened, among many others.
57:58Remember that moment in time where we were all like secret invaded?Oh, platitudes.I actually thought of the platitudes moment a couple times while watching this stuff.Why was you bring up secret invasion?I'm sorry.I'm sorry.I know.You saw it up in Zoom.
58:16And then you're like, I'm just going to drop these two words.Blatitudes.All right.Every now and then we see a trailer, we're like,looks dynamite, and then it's a huge lot down.I thought the avatar trailers were, particularly the final,not the one that came out like a day before the show,but the one that was like around our hype draft were encouraging.
58:38But the bending effects, I actually think it fell into that opposite campwhere you see something just in isolation, you see a little snippet of it,and you're like, is this going to look right?Like you've got a little Instagram reel of 10 seconds ofAng air bending over a boulder and like the internet is freaking out.In the flow of the show, I agree.It was successfully executed.And I thought overall, the show looked pretty good.
59:09The sets, the backgrounds, Omashu, like, look amazing.And I think like the temples look really good that they went into.yeah, like the big Avatar Kiyoshi, like statue,like all that sort of stuff.Like, I thought like, AAPA, Momo aside, digital effects,and also production design-wise, like, we were, yeah,I thought we were doing a great job.Yeah.
59:36Yeah.So there was a worry, like, would they be able to pull that off?And then I think they did.So that was a relief.And yeah, you mentioned earlier when we were chatting about Zuccothat you could just, I mean, really tell that Dallas is.a trained and expert martial artists in those sequences.It was the street fight in Omaschu between Zuko and Ang,
01:00:01just like, I thought that was an interesting example of where you could just,I mean, I don't actually know if this is right or what I'm talking about, to be clear,but it seemed to me sitting on my couch at home with no expertise that they were actually doing.It was just like, that's him.Flip it and spin in.And maybe it isn't, but it really seemed like it was.So that was cool.Also, I mean, while we're talking about fighting, and we'll come back to her, of course, but Saka and Suki, real highlight.
01:00:30Like when, you know, when they're training and then when they like team up, the fan fighting is all great stuff.Okay.Back to Malibuven for another loser.The loser.Okay.Here is the next loser.Side quest.We've been kind of teasing this throughout the disqual.
01:00:52discussion today. This is something that we were worried about heading in, and I think we wereproven right in that concern. Overall, I will say, I understand the decisions in like therepackaging and restructuring of the season. But that doesn't mean that we're notnot missing something because of it.The condensing of the plot and the pacing,there are like a few different elements of what was lostwith the many side quests that we were deprived of.Now, was there ever a scenario where we were going to get all of these?
01:01:38Like, of course not.But if we think about what is missing in their absence,like, I think this is really like a miss.And I wonder if just inserting or tweaking,inserting a couple of these or tweaking a couple of theseor tweaking a couple aspects of thiswould have like opened up the story in the worldbecause I think making the world feel a lot smaller
01:02:01was a big symptom of this.There's just a few examples.They don't find the water bending scrollon the pirate ship.So not only does that mean the pirates aren't in the story, sad,it means like the upshot of that.It's not a discovery our characters make,but also Grand Grand just has this thing.
01:02:25And withholding the information?Withholding it from her, like, why?It's depriving us of something that also deprives the characters of something.Bizarre.Is there a rum in a season like this for the Great Divide Journey with the Waring Tribes?Okay, probably not.That's like a lot of new people that you need in the show.But what do we lose?
01:02:49we don't get to glimpsenot only likewhat regular life is likefor more peoplein a certain community,a different communitythan the few we get to see,but what it means
01:03:00for like the cracksand the fissuresto fan out and spreadwhen people are left aloneto just stew in their resentment.No fortune teller episode.We don't get to see...I really miss the fortune teller episode.
01:03:15Huge miss.Like how an entire communitycan be...buy into a shared belief that becomes a shared delusion and what it means for our characters toconfront that and what it shows us about them and how they think and how they're all on journeysof change, but how are they changing other people around them while also respecting theirtraditions and their lives? And I think what's brilliant about, like, the Great Divide episode isnot my favorite episode, but what's true about both that episode and the Fortune Deller episode
01:03:44is Qatar and Saka come down on the exact opposite sides of like the conflicts.in both of those episodes.And so it's, like, important to see these siblingsencounter the wider worlds and figure out who they arein relation to all these things that they meanand how they're different,but also how they are family and water tribeand the same at the same time.
01:04:07And so, like, you miss, I think a lot of these side quests,really, the absence of them, really hinder the Saka and Katara development.I agree completely.So this is an Ang-Zucco thing,but the other thing I was really missingwas thinking about what this change meantwas the storm, which is episode 12 of season one.I agree with you about masks being a highlight of this season,
01:04:36and I thought those, as I mentioned,the Zucco backstory reveals were great,but it did make me question againwhat I felt at the opening of the season,which is why are we getting this ang backstory hererather than building towards,it because I think the entwined reveal of Zucco and Aang's history in the storm.And again, on the sidequest front, you're pairing that with like Zuko, it's not a
01:04:59side quest, but we watch him help.His crew, we see Aang have to confront a person out in the world who's like, I blame youspecifically for this.And then Aang have to bring himself to reveal to Katara, this thing that he has been holdingon to.I'll say also on the changes front,I try, I did not used to always be very good at this.I try to be open-minded about changes
01:05:24and like not needing to strictly,strictly, strictly, strictly adhere to a text.I think Ang just like,I need to get in the air to clear my head,I think better up there,rather than actively running awayand carrying that guilt with him.I'm now smuggling this inside of the sidequesting
01:05:38where it doesn't really belong,is a change for the worst.I found that quite strange and puzzling.On the condensed...the condensed plotting aspect.Jet and his freedom fighters,we meet them in episode 10 of the animated series.Teo and the Mechanist,
01:05:56episode 17,up in the Northern Air Temple.These are not connected plot lines or locations,and not only are they not connected to each other,they're not connected to Amashu.All of that is brought in to the Omasho sequence here.And then Secret Tunnel,character swap,
01:06:14making this a little like Throne Zian,an incest for me by making this aKatara Saka journey instead of a KataraAng journey, bizarre choice, but also that's brought upfrom season two.I hate that. We can'twait for that. I just don't understandthat. Why does everything have to happen in
01:06:33Amashu in two episodes here?As you know, I love Supertunnel.And theAmashuSecret tunnel. Melangeplots is like the most egregiousof the like let's cram, let's just push everythingEarth Kingdom into sort of like one big mixing bowl.
01:06:53But having the Secret Tunnel like singers,but not having that like,not having the bulk of the,being that like that being like the B or C plot almost of that episode,I was like this is wrong.This is incorrect to me.Right. Because not only are you like, why is it here,you're like, oh, they already know they're not going to have the space for that in season
01:07:14two.So it like plays the anxiety forward in a way that made me anxious.But there are things that worked for me like, um, suck and Qatar being stuck in the spirit world.You know what I mean?Like rather than being like ill or like, you know, there are some various things where I was like, okay.Like they're off the board because they're here and not over there.I like that too.And especially, like, it's, as you know, I find it delightful when Momo's like tasked with trying to bring them just can't get over the water.
01:07:41He's like bringing them all this other shit instead, iconic.but making them,putting them on an active questto face thisthis defining truthfrom their past versus just like,I've got a fever and I will have oneuntil I suck on a frozen toad
01:07:56was, I agree, a good change.On the sock and guitar front, though,that's the next thing I think we,this gets back to what you're saying,a couple minutes ago, like,with fewer side quests,fewer new places,fewer characters were meeting,
01:08:08or characters who we are meetingin the season still.I'm about to mention Batu.But in a,different way. We lose something here. We don't get the Bato of the Water Tribe,episode 15, like this entire thing where Batu comes into the story in the present day.And Aang is the one suddenly who is on the outs, who feels like he doesn't belong with thisgroup of people. He's the one tagging along on someone else's journey. I
01:08:43I feel like that's like a crucial, crucial, crucial aspect, not only of what we learned aboutAang, but of their dynamic as a group and, like, who is willing to make a sacrifice or an adjustmentfor the other person and when? And there was a lot of stuff that I thought we lost on the Aang frontwith the absence of certain side quests. Like, we don't get the deserter plot, right, from episode16. We don't get Zhang Zhang. We don't get Aang learning to firebend, his first attempt, which is this, like,deep and lasting scar.There are other aspects of the seasonthat I thought effectively tapped into Aang
01:09:18fearing his power.I liked when he was reflectingon the other air nomadsbeing afraid of himbecause his power was so vast.I thought that was really, really sad.But Aang trying to bend fire,hurting his friend,
01:09:35and genuinely carrying that trepidationand fear and anxietyof what he is capable of doing.to the people he loves for into season three.Yeah.Series is huge.So like, do you absolutely need a side quest to achieve that?No, there's probably another way you can do it.
01:09:51But if you're not meeting, if you're not seeking out a firebending master on a side quest,then when's that happening, right?So you're just losing all of these little things that I think are such important earlynotes for the characters.And also just like, Ang acting as, like, tour guide for Saka and Kataro, have never left the village.And so Ang will be like, oh, we'll go here.here, they have the best noodles here, or we'll do this, or have you tried the tea from here,and finding things have changed, right, because he's been on ice for a century, but also,
01:10:22like, sometimes things are the same. And he's just like, oh, we got to go visit these springs,or we've got to do this. Like, if we're on the road, we're got to do this. And, like,in a preseason interview, I believe it was Albert Kim, who was talking about this idea of, like,you know, Ang has a vision. Ang sees this. So he's just like, go, go, go. And it's just like,again, I want to be understanding of the idea.It's not, it's not Albert Kim's decision that this is an eight episode, hour long season.And, you know, that is a Netflix decision.And so what do you do to make that make sense when you have to strip away all this stuff?
01:10:58You make it a more propulsive kind of, we got to get here now kind of quest.But you just, you miss the depth.I mean, it's funny.I was just convinced a friend of mine who loves television and watch The Tons of Televisionto watch Avatar the last year better for the first time.And I was like, hang tough.Hang tough with the beginning of season one.It's like silly and childish, but like it gets better.
01:11:21And I'm just sort of like, you just got to hang with it.And like these are 20 minute episodes, the little bite-sized ones.But like, seasons are long.And by the end of it, you just like really feel like you've been with these people,you understand these people.And they've spent time together.you feel that passage of time of them being together, companions and all these different circumstances.So by the time they get to the Northern Water tribe, like they are such a on the road for a long time family.
01:11:49You get this with like, you know, with like Lord of the Rings because there's a difference between the fellowship just like starting out and like everything that Sam and Frodo have fucking been through by the time that they get to Mount Doom.You know what I mean?It's just like time investment in in the journey, time evolving sort of thing.Yeah, absolutely. And I think like the depth, but also then the whimsy and the hang. And like,we're going to talk more about that also in another category coming soon. ButNg is a character who arrives at Kyoshi Island and wants to ride the elephant coy. And that is like important, right? You know, there was that little, we get a couple. You know, Ang's like, is that so bad, right? Just like being a kid. And he andKudara, even though they can bend, like, just splashing each other with water.You get a few moments where you see that these are just children with the weight of the world
01:12:44and the fate of mankind of the four nations, like on their shoulders, but not enough of it.And again, I missed that here, but it really, honestly was on my mind more, like, forecastingand thinking ahead because, you know, we won't get into the, like, plot particulars here,but you think of an episode like The Beach in season three, one of our favorites.Amber Island players.And BrianThat's the other thing I was going to sayThe show works in part
01:13:11Because we and the charactersHave those reprievesFrom like the unrelenting, unceasingStress and horrorOf everything else that's unfolding.Tales of Bossing to have those moments.You know, yeah, just like beingJust like being...
01:13:24That one's just incredible.I love that one.You know, just like being kids in the world.And on the kid front,there's also what we're missingAnd, you know,we don't actually have a...category for these people, though they might tuck under the next one. But like, a lot of the things
01:13:41you miss that are stripped out have to do with like Ang's crush on Katara and trying to impress her.And like all of like that's largely missing. I feel like that can just bring us into our number three,which is a Mallory winner. I finally am a winner. Yeah. Get us with your winner, Mallory.Young love. Yeah. Joe, young love. And not you, Katara and Ang, but what else?Young love, okay, chemistry, electricity,that draw that a young person feels to another young person,great.I thought actually the season did genuinely like an exceptional job of portraying that
01:14:20in multiple different, with multiple different character pairings.But the bigger win here to me was the effectiveness of the new perspectivethe characters gained from each other inside of those connections.let's hit some of them.Saka and Suki,I mean, if you made me pick my single favorite thing from the season,this would be in the consideration set,which I think is a shock because,
01:14:53just because, again, when we're thinking of,and I don't know, maybe I'm spending too much time talking aboutwhat we were worried about heading into the season.Like, I was excited for the show.Yeah.I guess it was in our moments primerwhere you mentioned some of the interviewsand the concern that was bubbling in the fandom
01:15:11about the softening of the rough edges for Sakaand, you know, removing this like very heavy early season one focusof the Saka sexism and what he has to work throughon his own arc.And I was kind of like, if that's not here,when he meets Suki, like, is this kind of work?I thought these two were incredible together.The moment where, like, the, the, they were so charming.
01:15:47The moment where Suki comes in and Saka is, like, taking a little sponge bath.And he's, like, covering his chest.And she's just, like, looking him up and down.And then later, they're about to kiss.And the bell rings, and she says the bell, and he says, you hear it too.That was just incredible.The dancing and the training sequence,Suki removing her makeup,
01:16:13like, these were charged electric moments.And Saka still had his false bravado,even though it wasn't weighed down with the like,oh, but I doubt you.It said he was doubting himself.And so it actually ended up,I thought being, like, quite effective for me.Not only was I the thing I dreading
01:16:30not like a detriment to me,I actually thought it really heightened this interaction.and they each teach each each other something, right? This is crucial. Like, what does Saka do for Suki?We hear her saying to her mother, like, early in the episode, it's not that I'm too young, I just, I haven't seen the world. And then she's telling him, just giving like real.Now I know. Ariel, I want, I want vibes.Yeah, yes.Wandering free, wish I could be part of your way.Off. Kiyoshi Island.
01:17:06from once in my life.Bringing the world to me.That's what she says.How romantic.Yeah.Maria Zhang, who plays Suki, is, like, in my top five for the season.I just thought she was wonderful.So good.
01:17:18And, like, since we had a tough hang with a lot of the younger actors in this season,I want to highlight, like, I mean, I actually didn't look up her age.She's probably, like, in her 20s or whatever.But, like, I thought she was a wonderful Suki, not just looking at the part, but just sortof, like, and in contrast to, like, the overall.Umashu, Earth Kingdom, Jamalaya.We're spending this whole episode on Kyoshi Island.So we are like digging in.
01:17:43So we get additive stuff for Suki, her relationship with her mom, this, this like indicationthat she's not seen the wider world.Yeah.What's the tradeoff when you have this pride, but also you feel like so isolated and deprived?Thinking about Suki's storyline going forward in the show, that's great track delay for thatcharacter.Absolutely.Yeah.
01:18:05So I loved all of that.I thought the fighting with the fan looked incredible.I thought all of that was great.My only note is that we didn't get Saka in the like in the Kyoshi makeup and dress.I know.Sad.We were.We were cheated.
01:18:22We were cheated.I loved that episode.I had someone asked me.That was one of my favorite episodes of the season.Yeah, I had someone asked because Avatar Kiyoshi is like one of my top tier favorite characters of all.all time. So like to get her not, we get her like right away in the first episode, we see her.And I was like, there she is. Avatar Kiyoshi. And then to have her manifest, that was like anadaptive change. I didn't mind at all. I thought that was like really cool. And like to watch
01:18:53her mastery of the four elements. And so to give us something to like look forward to when Angfigures out how to master all four elements and what that can look like in a fight, I just thoughtthat was. That was awesome.I like to like, because obviously we get a lot more Giyatsu in this season.And I was initially a little like, oh, are we going to get this instead of more time communing with prior avatars?But I ultimately ended up really liking that balance because Aang either learns and accepts or learns to cast aside a lesson from a prior incarnation of himself, another avatar, but also then is centering so fully what Giazzo has taught him over.time and that idea that like you can teach yourself something but also you need to learn somethingfrom other people like that felt like a successfully executed balance that I and also like the avatar is
01:19:44not the only one who has something worth hearing. I thought that was all really good too.In terms of Suki and Saka and the lesson going the other way, like I really, I love thisaspect of belief and Saka's belief in himself and Suki like giving him this gift of saying Ithink you're a real warrior. Like this is the I'm just the guy in the group.who's regular.We talked about that lineand what that momentmeans to us
01:20:10from the original seriesand for them to have a conversationhere aboutwell, like,we're not vendorsand Suki to help himsee the beauty in thatand like,
01:20:18yeah,you have to be betterbut also likehere's why it can beso cool if you areand like you can beI thought was awesome.I really liked
01:20:27the Saka performance.I thought he was great.I thought he was betterin the front halfthan he was in the back.I think like the backsort of lost interest in him a little bit or like, you know, but I actually really like the UA stuff.So maybe I take that back.
01:20:43We'll get there momentarily.But yeah, I think all the main trio, like if I think if I had to write the, let's say,quartet of kids, for me, it's like Zuko, Soka, I don't know, guitar anger just sort of like didn'thit the way that I wanted them to hit.So there we are.Speaking of Qatar, let's chat about Qatar and Junker.Jet for a second here. No hot haroo in this season. Very sad. Deeply, deeply dismaying.But Jet is here and the flirtation is instant in the wagon. So Katara is, you know,
01:21:19taken with the Freedom Fighter camp and their way of life and this idea of like taking it to theman. And I thought the thing that was cool about this again in terms of like, it's not just aboutthe yearning tendrils, right? It's like, what do you learn from somebody? Maybe even if thingsand badly was an important thing to highlight.So she has to, after the brief disagreement with Katara and Saka,she has to concede,uh,my boyfriend is in fact the bomber.
01:21:48Oops.We all make mistakes.He did not put that in his profile.He's a little bit of a fixer up there, but you know,whom's among us is it?That scene where...Jet is encouraging Katara to think about her mother in life, not just in death.I really liked.
01:22:11And then hearing Katara in the tunnels where, again, I don't know why they were there here,but let's focus for a second on what they're talking about when they are.Saying to Saka basically like, yeah, he was the problem,but he still helped me see something important that I'm now carrying with me.And then, I think most crucially, it wasn't just a liquid.what the cute bad boy taught me moment,it's that Katara was able to pair that with belief in herself.It's not that she needed Jet, right?
01:22:42Something was unlocked, and then it became about her.So, like, when he says, look at the power you have,that's because of me, and she said that wasn't you, that was me.I thought that was one of the stronger Katara moments in a Katara season arcthat on the whole in this series did not really work for me.Also, I thought that the Jet performance was fantastic.The guitar miss for the season is a bummer.It's a bummer.
01:23:10It's really tough.Guitar is very important for why I love the original series.It's really disappointing.Want to talk about June and Iro for a second on the Young Love Group?I mean, I wanted to slide June, smuggle her in here.it's at least a nice reverse because like iro perving on june is like the only iro note that in theoriginal series that you're like what's going on my guy like this is a little so the fact that thelive action's like let's flip it in june is like hardcore flirting with him i thought was like
01:23:47really funny and cute let it go because your dad's kind of cute great stuff but like the umon that like cosplay print or like and whether you mean like literally in the look or inthe actually imitation.This was like the one case where I was like,this is just like such an stunning one-to-one translation,Arden Cho as June.Like, just, you know, it's a minor character from the animated,but like looked perfect, acted perfectly.
01:24:17Just like, I was like, there she is.That's June.And I don't need that to always be the case with live action.But in this case, it was an example of like an exact one-to-one translationthat worked perfectly for me.I loved, I loved June.I thought she was wonderful.That's all.
01:24:34Speaking ofWigs.Areas where there were some tweaks.Let's talk about Saka and UA.What did you make, obviously, of the wig?We need to clear out for wig watch TMwith Joanna Robinson TM,but also related to the wig
01:24:52because the wig is so presentin the rendering of this fox,the silver fox,in the spirit.realm. I loved the fox thing because like first of all I loved I liked the look of that digitalcaricature, the fox, but also I like this idea of pulling you a like into the story earlier. So it's notjust like Saka literally just met her. You know, it's sort of like they have this mystical connectionfrom earlier. I know you from the spirit realm. And so it just like puts a little extra accelerant on
01:25:29their connection so that you do feelthe poignancy of the lossa bit easier than you doI do in the animated versionbut like let's say in the M. Night Channelversion where I'm like you literally just metter Saka.Like what are we doing here?Yeah. Amber Midthunder who plays
01:25:47UA who was phenomenalin prey and alsoin Legion like is an actressI think is wonderfuland, like, of all the young actors, the actor that I am most familiar with, having seen her in these other things.And I thought she was wonderful working her ass off against one of the worst wigs I've ever seen in all of time and space.I thought of you immediately.Yeah.
01:26:14Immediately.I thought of you when Momo got crushed.You thought of me when you saw that crispy, crunchity wig.It was the- Like, we might need a side pod just on this wig.This is a moment when I was like, in contrast to the June thing, I was like, how did any of you professional people look at that animated wig and say, let's recreate it strand for strand, beat for beat.No one will notice that it looks insane.How did you put it on Amber's head and say, maybe not that?So like, it is more cartoon accurate.
01:26:53it is quite cartoon accuratebut UA's lookbut should it beis no it should notUA's look is the mostother than Jettwho is Jet and his cohort arelike drawn anime
01:27:05style in ain alet's be likepeople call Avatar animeit's not in animebut Jet is drawnin an anime styleand then UA is kind of drawn
01:27:14an anime stylevery like Sailor Moonlike her hair is ridiculousit looks great in animationit should never have been attemptedin a liveaction show. It's just absolutely reprehensible. And the fact that Amber MidThunder was able to make UA like soft and warm and human and charming and compelling
01:27:36underneath that abomination is just a further testament to her. She's wonderful. But the wig hasgot to be. Got to go. Astounding. Astounding. Everything else with UA. Great, though. I love thislittle Cloudberrykitchen chat.Looks delicious also.It did look delicious.Imagine being able to just instantly make your owniced dessert because
01:28:01you're a water bender seems great.But I loved Sakanervously flubbing his waythrough this interaction. Like thejust a girl and ordinary moments. Very cute.On this like Young Loveopening up new perspective front,I think the
01:28:18UA momentsand notdid every line workno I think likehe's notthe boy of my dreamswas pretty toughI missed asshole
01:28:34HanI was whatI was likedid we need to softenHaninto likeno reasonsweetest
01:28:41angelalso RIPto Hanand to thatsweet littletrainee who was likeMaster KataraI'm here to help
01:28:49and then she was likelet me knowif you see a fireball coming, even though they're actively engaged in war and the fireballsare everywhere. And then she just pieced out and that kid died. Dried. Brutal.100%.Brutal. Good job. Massacre.Brutal. U.A. and Saka talking about her connection to the spirit world. And Saka saying,so you pop over there just for fun and he's like baffled, right? Because he just had this immense
01:29:22traumatic experience in the fog. And she's like, wouldn't you? It's magical. Like when you meet somebodyin your life who makes you think about something in a different way, that's a beautiful thing.It's awesome. And to capture that. I met you. And you just changed my life, Mary?I would love to go into the spirit world with you, Joe. That would be beautiful. So that was just all.And like, Coe would take my face like, the instant I walked in there. I'm not interested in interacting with Coe. I will say,that. It's a pass for me personally, and it sounds like for you as well.It's worth the risk to be a live moment with UA and Saka.I just thought was great. And like one of the more effectively rendered like pretty
01:30:08on the nose lines that UA somehow made this like perfectly magical little kernel ofwisdom and insight about the human experience. So they were great. I think that Saka on thenon, like, lust and love front, but just more of, like, a friendship or mentorship front,which I'll smuggle into this category, even though, again, this is a very different kind ofrelationship.I did really, like, even though I'm like, why are Teo and his father here in Amashu justconfounded by it, I really liked the conversations between the mechanist and Saka, and I thoughtthat this, like, focus on you've got Teow and Ang, and then Katara and Jett and Saka and
01:30:49Sai, and everybody's having their conversation basically about.a parent and a child and legacy and what you inherit and carry and then the own path that youforge. And the mechanist saying to Saka, like, you're an engineer. It's not always to find,it's not always easy to find your path in life, but when you find it, you must embrace it.And saying that to him not as like a mandate or a challenge or a threat, but like as anopportunity, as an invitation, an invitation to be who you are. I thought it was great. And like,I wish me had had more moments like that in the series, because it's part of,the real beauty and heart of the show.
01:31:23I didn't miss Ang and Kataraas a romantic focus of this season,I'll say. I don't miss it, but I'm like,are we not end gaming it then?Like, okay, I don't know.Just like Ang Katara,they need to do, if they're going to doa season two, which I'm sure they are, like,
01:31:41we need to do some workon figuring out how to,like, not only are those kids like,you know,and Ann,Azulamay and Tai Lee, like,Are you kidding me?Like, not only are those kids, like,
01:31:57not really the best at reading their material,so, like, could use some acting help,which is available to them and they can have it.The writing for Katara is just...This was, I think, the biggest...Absolutely....noting off.And absolutely appalling to me that this is who they think Qatar is.
01:32:16I don't understand what happened therewith the material Katara got.It's upsetting.Yeah.It's just a complete...characterization of who that person is.So, which brings us to my final loser.Brings us nicely to, yeah.
01:32:32A loser that I'm calling T-O-N-E tone.This is the big note I have, overarching note for the whole season,eight episodes, which is the tone is just off.It's just wrong.And I actually don't think we need to linger too long here because we've just puta lot of bricks in place for why.Mischaracterization, lack of side quests,rushing certain things,
01:33:02all that sort of stuff.And the ramped up action,which works in a lot of ways,but when it's out of balance with everything else,then it doesn't feel like Avatar to me most of the time.So serious, so deadly serious,that you miss the lightness, the breathers, the joy, the thirst for life.This is an adventure.
01:33:30This is a Roach movie show story.This is like, you know, you have to be joyously celebrating this incredible world thatBrian and Mike built in this Avatar universe.It's so inventive.It's so beautiful.Of course, it's like lifting from a...a million differentmulage of Asian cultures,
01:33:53but like putting it all togetherin a reallyunforgettable,just like bold and captivatingand I want to go to their kind of way.And I don't get,this just like gets sort of dulled downaround the edges into like
01:34:10so many Netflix,young adult fantasy stories that we've seenthat just sort of feelinterchangeable.It just doesn't,it just doesn't,yeah it's just a miss on the tone for me and and like and again just makes you really better appreciatehow hard it was to capture what they captured in the original and how the original series can be
01:34:36so silly sometimes even too silly like you know all this sort of stuff and then like absolutelyrip your guts out make you cry make you think about things spiritually and emotionally and likewhat is family and and and who am I?What is my purpose and all this sort of stuff?Like I, I guess the biggest triumph of this show is that it made me so much appreciate howwonder, which I never thought I could appreciate more, how wonderful the three seasons ofthe perfect TV series, plus I love Cora as well, plus all of Cora.And they'll always be there for me.
01:35:15So, you know.I could not agree more.This is, man, where's our Adder Penguin sled race?You know, like, when there's a little joking, and I'm using the word joking,pretty liberally, I think, exchange at the end about how Saka's stomach is in his brain.I'm kind of like, but this wasn't a part of the character and the story.season, the fact that this is like inescapable, no matter the level of urgent peril that they are in,is like the specific balancing act and magic of the story. Cabbage Guy is kind of an interesting
01:36:04example of this to me in the season because like cabbage guy's there. He has to be.Secret tunnels there. Secret tunnels there. Like, but they almost felt,cabbage guy felt like, okay, if we don't have cabbage guy,here there will be an active revolt.But so he feels more like a wink to us and an Easter egg than a cabbagey threadtracing through the shoots of Amashu and the bridges and tunnels and connective tissue ofthe story.Like cabbage guy is such a sensation from the original series, not because it's
01:36:49a shock when he suddenly appears and laments the destruction of his cabbages.It's because it's exactly the kind of thing that you expect to see in every frame,even though you don't totally know or understand why.The surprise becomes the expected, and that is the magic of the show.So for that to be absent here is palpable and sad.But it does bring us to our final winner of the day.Yes.Which is, in addition to your right and beautiful point about the original series of being a winner again, this is connected, Avatar Studios.
01:37:33Because the OG creators, Brian and Mike, who mentioned a few times, who left as you noted this adaptation, Paramount, Nickelodeon Parent Company, back, Avatar Studios formed, and the slate, folks, it is as full as op a saddle.There is so much animated goodness coming our way.Now again, to circle back to the very beginning of the pod,if this is your first experience with the Avatar world,this is just purely good news for you, right?You can go watch the original series if you want.You can watch Cora.We would highly encourage it.
01:38:14If you're not going to do that, that's okay.These new movies in the series will still be there for you soon.October 2025, the slate.begins. We are getting movies and shows, Joe, we'll run through them in a second.If you're an obsessive, a loyalist to the original series and this Netflix show did not work for you,then again, this is great and welcome news because there is this balm on the horizon. There isthe healing power of the water bending awaiting us. We will be whole. The women of the northernOur whole modern tribe are here to heal you.
01:38:52They're here to heal us.Joe, you want to run us through the impending slate?And we should say, if anybody doesn't want to know what the future slate is, because hearing, oh, character X has a movie might tell you a future plot point about character X.This is a good time to bounce.Okay, this is, I did my best to hunt down the most recent news.but it's all a little nebulous.There's nothing like on the official Avatar Studios website.There's like some information paramount.
01:39:26So this is the best we know to date is the original.And some of it I think was screwed up by, you know,the writer's strike and all this or stuff like that.But we're in theory supposed to get a TV show and a movie every single year.Like what?A bounty.Feasting.An embarrassment of riches.
01:39:48So as my mom.I already mentioned, the one date we do, the firmest date we have is October 10th, seven days after my birthday, 2025.We get the adult Ang gang movie, which is Ang, and Katara, and Zuko, and Saka, and Taf.And hopefully, Suki, though, she's never in the, you know, the art for this, but bring Suki along.What is she doing?A grown-up adventures of, of Eng and Go.I'm so excited for this.This is going to be in theater.
01:40:20So we get to go to the cinema to experience this.And I'm, I could have me more excited.What will the novelty popcorn bucket look like?I don't know.Will it be like a furry little opah that we get to like cuddle and snack from?Like, what will it be?I don't know.It should probably be Mo Mo Mo, like, holding the popcorn for us because he's such a, he's such a foodie.
01:40:42He's such a culinary enthusiast.Movo loves a snack.That's true.So, so excited for that.Also, so the first TV series we're gettingis a new Avatar series.And as you know, the Avatar cycle, you know,goes through the elements.
01:40:56So it was fire before it was Ang.Ang is air.Cora was water.We were getting an Earth-Bendr avatar seriessaid to take place approximately 100 years after Cora,which I don't understand this sentence,which would be said in the Avatar universe equivalent of modern day.I don't know what that means.
01:41:16Maybe because they're thinking about the fact that, like,Cora had elements of like the 1920s in it.So maybe like, you know, 100 years later brings us to the 2020s.I can kind of see that thought.You know what I mean?But I don't think we necessarily need to worry about present day or not.We're getting an earth bender, an earth avatar.And given how much I love Kiyoshi, I am stoked for this.
01:41:39I love Bolin.I love an earth boulder.I love Bollin.I love Bolin.I love Bolin.Are you kidding me?Love.So an Earth Avatar series, that allegedly in 2025 will
01:41:48see if that timing plays out.2026.Hold on to your hats and glassesbecause we're gettingin theaters, once again, a Fire LordZuko movie.It's different from the adultAng gang movie.
01:42:06This is focused on Fire LordZucco. Dante Basco, I believe,and it's not been like officially confirmed, but he'sdoing like an official podcast with him currently.So like, why, why wouldn't you if you've got him?hired Dante Basco back as the voice of adult Zucco.And this is listed as their second film.So like 2026 is when we think this is going to come out.
01:42:31In the running for number one pick,if we ever do like hype draft for the decade.The Five Lord Zucco movie?What if the Fire Lord Zucco movie is about a secret affair between Katara and Zucco?Then it will be the best film ever made.The Zutara movie.Okay.And then last and not least, we don't have any dates for any of these,
01:42:51but we've got two unknown spinoff shows that they've sort of announced her in the works,and we don't know what they are.There's the legacy of Yang Chen novelization that people are wondering if they want to doabout the previous airbending avatar, if there's going to be something about that.I've always wanted more stories about Juan, the first avatar.Stephen Yen voices him in a wonderful two-parter.in Legends of Cora, just incredible television,the Juan origin story.
01:43:24So I would love to get a full,I've always wanted a full Juan season or show.So that would be my wish.Do you want like a all-momo all the time show?Adventures of MoMo, I mean.Yeah.Who says no?Sign me up immediately.
01:43:40True Who says no territory.I think all of this sounds exciting and wonderfulto be back in the animated world,to be with the original creators.but also like I think to scratch the itchthat some people are really feeling right now of likeshould this have been a new storynot a different spin on a story we've already seen
01:43:56like to know that we'll be going into different parts of the timelinewith characters we're already deeply attached to and invested inand meet new characters entirely is just very appealingand also is this a story that just belongs in animationjust because of the like fantastical nature of this worldI mean we believe in live action fantasy deeply obviouslywe talk about all the timeon this podcast, but like, when watching, especially Kora, I would say both of them, but like,
01:44:23really especially Kora, some of the animation in that show, it just will like absolutely takeyour breath away.It's art.So the prospect of more art from Brian.And for Brian and Mike to be like, no, this is not what we want to do.Now we're in charge of something called Avatar Studios and we get to decide what our world thatwe created look like.Last but not least, TBD, don't have a date on it.
01:44:46untitled Avatar Kyoshi film.It's supposed to be 2024.It's now been pushed off TVD.But I need it now or just after now is when I need the Avatar Kiyoshi film.So yeah, we're, we're, the winner of this is the fact that we've got many more stories to come in this university.University of, we love.And even if like Netflix season two and season three, if they get to make it of the show is not quite scratching that edge, we do have other things.coming that will. So that is how we were choosing to end this episode on a winning upbeat for a
01:45:24universe that we love. Mali Rubin, thank you so much for joining me today on this journey.Jewel of my heart. Jewel of my heart.That's you.That's you. We went back next week with Double Dune, double dose of Dune. Yes. I can'twait to pot about Dube Part D with you. We fucking love this movie.on unbelievable.The hype is unbelievable.By,
01:45:55like,believe all of the hype.And see this on the biggest,loudest screen you can find.Like, please.I'm rarely a,see it on the biggest screen person as Joe knows,but even I,
01:46:09even I have to say that this time.There's like,there's some incredible.Okay,we'll talk about it more next week.I'm so excited for me to see it.And I'm so excited to talk about it.So come back.
01:46:22and listen to us to do that.You can listen to Midnight Boys.They've got their double-dune thing going on.Follow us on the pod,follows on social.Thank you so much to Carl's Chiroogafor his work on this.Thank you to Jomey O'Donneron
01:46:34for his immaculate social work,always, including taking the selfiewith the popcorn buckets last night at the theater.And thank you to our dinner,Rangipal.We just had his, can I say?Am I allowed to say?He just had his Bachelor Party weekend,
01:46:47that things are personal informationabout Arjuna that he didn't say,could say on the podcast.Happy bachelor's party weekendArjuna andwe'll see you all soon.Bye.
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