House of R - The 2026 Versies Awards | House of Midnight

Episode Date: March 14, 2026

House of R and The Midnight Boys team up to bring you the 2026 Versies Awards and celebrate all the highs and lows of fandom content from 2025. Intro (00:00)Best Visuals (04:52)Best Line (12:35)Best Character (19:19)Saddest Moment (26:10)Best Music (34:15)Best New Character (42:35)Best Director (49:03)Best Showrunner (53:28)Best Movie Performance (56:48)Best Show Performance (01:02:14)Best Movie (01:14:29)Best Show (01:21:13)Hosts: Mallory Rubin, Van Lathan, Joanna Robinson, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve AhlmanProducers: Aleya Zeneris, Carlos ChirigobaEditors: Jamie Yukich, Stefano Sanchez, John RichterEditorial: Craig Gaines, Helena Hunt, Jack McCluskeyGraphics: Neil FranciscoStudio Production: Jacob Cornett, Kevin Cureghian, Chris Thomas, Chris WohlersAdditional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to the 2006 Verses, the sixth time. Somehow the sixth time that we are doing the Verses. Think your fifth and our sixth. The fictional award show that we do around actual award season to celebrate the nerd culture highlights that we loved and that the listeners and viewers of our various nerd culture podcasts loved. The Ring of Verse family is here today. The Midnight Boys, Poo, Poo! Who are here?

Dan, Jomi, Steve, Charles, House of ours here? We don't have like a fun sound effect. It's just pages turning and then a really long run time. Joanna! This year, we are going to explain the categories that we will be toasting this year and the new and evolved voting process. Wow, yeah. Right after this.

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But you know how democracy dies. In darkness? Oh, God. Oh, man. Okay. No, we're thunderous applause. That's not what, is that what the language? Yeah.

Padme is with us always, even though that wonderful film that's important to some members of this panel. It's not eligible this year. Because at the 2006 Verses, we are celebrating 2025 releases. Okay. So that is the first, look at this. Should we toast? Oh, we don't have been toast. Sure.

Yeah, just like a little hilarious. Here, 20205. 2025. What a time to be a nerd. I mean, it was actually, are you sick? Are we doing? I'll do this. That's the classic man.

Like, how close can you get to me? All right, here's how it's going to work. We have champagne. We have trophies. The entire team has killed it, setting up the wonderful set we have here. We have some fancy montages. It's going to be great. We have 12 categories today.

Everybody has actual tangible physical envelopes because it's the physical media era. Yes. Yes. Okay. We're prepared. Sean and the Blu-ray boys are not with us today. And yet we have something that we can hold in our hands. This is like I think the first time you've said that on a podcast I've done with you this week.

Yeah, probably. Even though we've only done three podcasts this week, it might be the fifth time I've said it. We will reveal the categories as we go through. Everybody will be celebrating various things today. And we open up the voting in advance to the public. So if you're tuning in for this pod, you might think this is all a surprise. but you might already know what the categories are because you might have voted on them.

The polling was up this week before we recorded, and that means that we will be revealing for each of the 12 categories two votes. Interesting. Our vote? This esteemed panel of nerds. And then the voting from... Say it's sexy.

This esteemed panel. Democracy party. And then the Midnight Riders, the bad babies, the button masher's, voted on the ringer.com, what a great website, on Instagram, on Twitter, on YouTube.

And so we will be sharing the opinion of the public. Will we agree? Did we agree with each other? Are there going to be some controversial ties? How will we be litigating that in real time? We don't know. We didn't solve that part before we recorded.

We're going to figure it out in real time together. I'm sure that will be fine. Any questions before we begin, which is going to basically be, here's the category. Then you guys are going to get to see some clips, a little highlight package, right? Sean likes to complain that there are no clips anymore in a worship show. The Verses is here to appease that need and that concern. And then we're going to have a little bit of a discussion to remember, to luxuriate in this near-term nostalgia. Then we're going to hold up the envelopes and say what won.

That's it. I'm going to be done. we'll all go home, except for Carlos. Who's going to say it out of God. Shout out of Carlos. Let's get the energy up in this room. What the hell is going at right now? Christ.

All right. First category, Van Lathen will be presenting. What do we got? Woo! The 2026 Verses, everyone's tight. We are so excited for the Verses. I don't think of this. What?

I love the mercy. Yes. I gotta bring it up. Bring up what? It's right there. Oh, best movie. No, no, no. Best visuals.

This is best visuals. Okay, this is an award. It's a prestigious award for the best visuals of 2025. Now, we saw some really, really brave and ambitious altars, really put their visual styles onto the screen. And now we're going to give you guys a short montage of some of the nominees for best videos

of 2025. Ojuna, take it away. Ash attack on the wind, Trinternichure. Amatar, fire, and ash. Denizu's seventh form demon slayer. The black hole chase scene. Fantastic four first steps.

Final plane chasing. Slash Fight, Mission Impossible, the final record. Okay. Best visuals. Look at that. Best visual. Love a montage. Love a montage.

Amazing fact. Let's take everyone behind the curtain. Avatar Fire Nash almost not nominated for anything until Mallory stormed the nominees. We, listen, we want everyone to stay for the entire award show until the very end when we have some of the biggest awards. But there's a lot of overlap between categories. Arjure and Cheney. I actually nominated Avatar. Kurt of the quartz scene

getting high I support that Number one I really do think that my ability to read it like they do with the Oscars was very I think everyone should do that I'll just say that

but secondly I think that Avatar there's we've now kind of boomeranged around on the Avatar stuff just like the Timothy ballet comment to where it started off

like we just like culture now Avatar is overhated to me. To me, it's overhaired. It's absolutely it's overhaded.

It's overhaded. You know, people still liais and now everybody says it's cool to hear it on avatar. It's fun. It's fun.

It's fun. Middle hour of the way of water? Magical. Middle hour is in the first hour or the first half hour of the three hour.

The middle hour in the middle of the three-ish plus when you're just swimming with Pi-a-a-a-Water. Wonderful. But that's not the movie we're talking about.

We're talking about Fire and Ash. Which is also a movie that existed. Yeah. This is a good category to celebrate some other films that aren't going to be represented

in the rest of the award show. In any category, it should be in this category. Yeah, we got Mission Impossible in here. Demon Slayers here, that's thrilling. If we were doing best visuals. Fantastic for. Which we are. For Mission Impossible.

Would it be that or would I feel like the submarine scene actually had better visuals? This was more exhilarating to watching the theater because you're like, how did they do this? But the submarine scene was like really cool. Did you nominate that? We all had the opportunity to nominate things. And I'm pretty sure.

you did not. I would argue. I'm just saying if you were going to validate one thing, then I would do this. I mean, I thought this is more of like a bigger spectacle. I know that I think I prefer in terms of action the submarine sequence

because it's like really tense and like, oh my God, he's like going to drown. But then he's jumping from plane to plane, man. You can't really do that. See, I think it's the opposite. I think in this scene, he, that's much more tense because, you know, it's a real plane

and stuff like that. that. But like, when you go back and you watch him under the water, like the depth that you're seeing, he looks like he's in the ocean of space. The ocean of space. All right. Here's what the war goes to. Is there any kind of drum roll or situation like that?

Okay. Best visuals. I just want to say the craft that went into this is a stuff. It's really amazing. The entire team did an amazing job. So there's two winners, our winner, and then the fan winner. There you go. Yes.

That's podcast. because I was just going to read the shit. Our winner is, is this a three-way tie? Three-way tie. Did we have a two-two-two? Damn. Oh, wow.

Chaos at the top. What's it say? Ash attack, Zanitou's seventh form, and the black hole chase. So three-way tie. That's so fucking weak. It's good that we spent the entire time talking about Mission Impossible.

Right. What the fans say? What did the fans say? The fans said Black Hole Chase, Fantastic Four First Step. Wow. Fantastic Court. We don't have to pick that as the win, though. We can.

We can. Are we deciding between the two? I feel like the fans get to decide. Yeah, the fans should break. I mean. The Black Hole Chase was amazing. Incredible. It's the best thing I voted for Avatar.

I voted for Avatar. Tough look for Demon Slayer, man. All that money, all that time. I think Demon Slayer would be a very worthy winner here. It's a very worthy. I would say that when I voted on Twitter, which was a while ago and who knows how many. I know that more people voted on the website, but Mission Impossible was winning by a country mile,

and I was shocked. Twitter rides hard for Mission Impossible still. The cruise heads, the Scientologists are out. Hey, I wonder why they're still there. Interesting. Are you accusing the team of Cook in the books? You think there was some? No, I know there was like many platforms to vote on.

It was, I forgot about the Black Hole Fantastic Four scene. I'm not going to love. It really was a great, but it evaporated from my mind. That was my first nominee. I was like, really? When I'm thinking about the vision, I'm thinking about visuals and singing in the theater and IMAX and I'm like, that was a scene where in that movie, I was like, oh, man, we're cooking. Now, did the movie continue that momentum? No.

No. But in that moment, I was like, this is a Fantastic Four film. Fantastic Four has a versy now. Yeah. It does. So that's something. So that's a squad. That's right.

Damn. Sorry, Suicide squad has an Oscar. Are we presenting the trophy in anyway? or they're just sort of here for decorative value. Right. We'll be accepting this on their behalf. Yeah, we'll accept it on their behalf. We'll be accepting this on Vanessa Kirby's behalf.

Always. That goes to Julia Garner. Please. I like to be. It would be one degree removed from Vanessa Kirby. If it all possible. I would like to thank Kevin Feigey. I'd like to thank Pedro Pascal.

Continue to live your life. I'd like to thank everyone that was involved than making this my agent. Everybody over at WME, R.E. Ari Emanuel, everyone. We all did this together, but I'm going to take this home for the entire cruise.

Thank you guys. There we go. Question for you, before we get to the next category, you have won an actual Oscar. You've won an Academy Award. What do you think is more meaningful? Receiving an Oscar,

receiving an honorary Versi here. I think the Versi is way, way ahead. It's not even close. This is a big deal. Right. Big deal in the industry? Yeah, big deal in the industry. They're fewer of them.

Yeah, exactly. They're being given away. We do 24 next year? I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something else about the Oscars. Tell us something else about the Oscars. They were giving them away in the 50s. Like for freesty?

The 40s, I'm saying? Anything that was giving away back then, it's kind of dubious. The versy started in the woke era. Are you saying that? Which means we're more diverse, more cutting edge. A lot of things that we have over. You're saying that the Bill Russell's MVP's are all garbage?

I'm saying anything happened in the 60s? I'm saying anything happened before TV was black and white. I got to be skeptical of it. All right. It's fair. Like, let's a million. It's 100. Just not.

Okay. The next. Nope. Nope. Next category. Where's the document? You have it. You have it in your phone.

It's in, I believe, your email, your Google Drive, and your text messages. Oh, okay. I apologize. That's good. All good.

Our next category. This isn't going to be an interesting one. Best line. And because this montage features audio, as well as beautiful riveting video, I will not. I'm sorry. I want to apologize. I'll do it for my next category, but we've got to be able to hear them say the lines, right? Okay. Carlos, can we see the best line nominees?

Mr. Strawberry says fuck off. They don't even bother to like bad day anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation. Because I love you. In a way you don't understand. Thank you for the pain because it got me. Oh shit. Just once again, honestly an incredible field,

an incredible field of nominees. Yes. An incredible field of nominees. Pop stuck in there, bro. We had Andor up on that screen. What I'm like really curious about. So like, not to spoil things, but like, Andor will be well represented today.

Yes. Sinners will be well represented today. Yes. Is this a category to honor another? But like, do you think the fans came through for the last of us, which is another like potent nominee here? I would be astonished if the Andor line does not. win the fan vote by like 90%.

I will say I voted for Joel. I voted for the Last of Us line. I just think that is, this is our opportunity here to get Last of Us in the mix. We're going to have a lot of places to celebrate and or justly and rightly so. A bumpy season is gorgeous. That moment is perfect and it kind of encapsulates what we love about the Last of Us. An important show in our universe, an important game in our universe at its best. So that's why I would make the case for Joel.

The only problem with that is that the show sucked this time. And so it's entirely It's not going to win Best line When Katie Lynn He's not going to win whatever And Russ got the MVP for the triple double You know despite the fact that were a 7C

Yeah It's kind of like that I get it I guess what I feel like is And you guys are all making You know It's not even nominated in best show Spoiler

You watched it and you said wow When Just in real time He said wow That was garbage No that was That was him remembering though But I also believe

In the kinetic force And energy Of an artistic think I like to see when somebody sweeps, right? I like to see. You want a full and or. I want a full and or turn to the king. I actually agree with this as well.

I'm at war with myself. I don't like it. This is a sports fandom. We love a dynasty. Yeah, we love a dynasty. I don't know. He was jollin right there, though. That's son of a bitch.

Listen, Petro Pescal had a bump a year, I would say, in terms of his properties. And we're a little worried about, I'm a little worried about Mando and Grogu. Right. But what if he got back to back? Versies. Fantastic four. And the last of us. Wow.

He's nasty. He's Pascal in, baby. Joe brought it up. He's a Versi's merchant. Joe brought it up. So don't accuse me at bringing it up. You said he was ugly. That's what you said.

I said, I never said that. I never in life said that. Okay. So this is the deal. Pedro Pascal was like in a prime position to legitimately take over Hollywood with the amount of things that he had dropping. TV, film, all of that stuff. Did it happen? No, but what I will say,

what happened to The Last of Us, not his fault, because everything that he did in Last of us, was great. You could say he was the best part of that season. Fantastic Four, wildly miscasts, I think of Fantastic Four. Eddington, he was great in. But, you know,

materialist. I would even say, that's not his fault. I thought he's miscast and material. He might have been, but the script also didn't work for me either. He can't do everything, but what he does really well, no one does as well. That's the thing.

We want him to do everything. Maybe he really should just be doing his thing. Remember, now you guys are going to listen. See, this is how I know the child full of shit. I said that he was miscast and materialist, and the three of you guys were like, oh, my boy. You did not say that. She said, she said.

Rachel Pascow ain't that hot. Blah, blah, blah. I would have said in that role, in that role, you needed like a, like, a breathtaking young Richard. And then people got mad at you. Yeah. Anyway. Indefensible.

Let me ask a question that is germane to this category. Any really memorable lines of dialogue that you guys think are missing from the final four nominees? Anything better than Mr. Sorabry says? I can't believe that made it in. That was my nomination. I did not expect it to make it into the final. I got to say. Another little bit of a spoiler for the verces.

Alien Earth very well represented. Well, there was one nomination that needed to be in here. Yeah. Certainly. I had a sneaking one from Daredevil Born Again, which was Punisher's indictment of the proud boy fanboys. I'm not playing cupcake with these fan boys. I'm chopping them up.

I really love that sentiment. It was kind of a great episode of him kind of indicting all of the iconography that's been misappropriated throughout his character. And it's kind of great. I love that line. I'm happy with the K-pop team

100 representation. Charles cannot be more disgusted. It was just seeing it after like and or. It was a little bit of line. It's a good line from a great song. Is it what you voted for, Steve? You're going to reveal your vote? Should we reveal the entire?

Let's go. Read those winners, Malay, Rub. Read them winners. Look at this. Wow. This is wonderful. Okay. Best line.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Andor won the ring or verse vote. Right. Come on. They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation. I'm glad we talked about some of the other nominees. That is a very worthy winner. Also a little super real.

And guess what? That also won the fan vote. We have a sweep. We have the and or sweet begins. Dan, would you like to accept the Versi? on behalf of this wonderful line from Andor. I would like to thank this on behalf of everyone over at Lucasfilm. Kathleen Kennedy, we still believe in you, girl.

Like Dave Filoni, everyone, George Lucas, Tony Garoy, maybe. 177, I walked into a theater as a child, and I came out forever transformed by what you were able to do, sir. And I stand here as a testament to your legacy. Every line I deliver is in, difference to you. We love you, George. Thank you, George. Skywalker sound.

We love you guys. And we're always thinking about the gore. Yeah. Always. Oh, yeah. We are the go. Can we sing? Rest and peace. We are the go. No. Okay. We are the go. There we go. Thank you, Jomey. And fittingly, it is now your turn to present a category. What do we got? Best character. Okay.

This is from actually, because it's weird because we also have best new character. Yes. Even though one of the nominees is kind of a new character. character, but it's fine. It's all fake. Our category's got a little blurry. It looks like, everyone will show is fake,

by the way. Sometimes the rookie of the year can be the MVP. Do you know what I'm saying? It happens. Sometimes someone's in the supporting category and you're like, oh, no, yeah. You know, category, it happens.

We'll call the Sabrina Carpenter new artist. She's been in the years. You know how many times it happens? Yeah. I've been listening to music for 10 years. How are you the best new artist? Does that make sense? Here are the nominees.

Elena Bolova. Thunderbolts. Assignment is complete. Yeah, look, I don't know how things are done here in... Boy Cavalier. In the future where I live, we move fast and we make trillions. The Tinian Codex was forged 2,000 years ago on a planet where sight was considered a disability. What are you going to do if I wasn't here?

Anything I had to. Elijah smoked more and Elias Stackmore. Now we go. This is exactly what's going to happen It's the Oscars. There's two real candidates here. Stacked field. This is an incredible story.

Clayah versus smoking stack is It's tough. It's really tough. It's a smoke and stack. That's like two characters. You're right. Right, right. Let's talk about how awesome Clay is.

Man, the Clayah stuff, because she kind of takes you by surprise, especially in the first season. You're really like, it's loothed and heavy. She's there. She's helping. She's like a great character in her own right in that season. Then in season two, they take it up, a notch and tearing it up by 12.

Sovereign time, it's Clay at time. It's just incredible work by the actress. Just like, again, you have Diego Luna, you have Stellan Stars Guard. Like, you already have powerhouse people in that show. And for her to be there and not only take up the amount of space that she did, but also do it in a way that you're watching her. Like, this is a powerhouse performance with all those other actors.

It's just incredible. It was amazing how the show took Luton, who was kind of a linchpan of the entire resistance. in this show. That was almost its mascot. And then was able to send him off by empowering the narrative of her character to such a devastating degree. I don't know that I've ever seen it quite done like that. I tried even at that point to think it would have been it would have been if the end of the Sopranos would have been Tony's death through Chris's eyes. Yeah. Kind of, but like the Sopranos ran for so much longer and or you only like two seasons.

I know, but I'm not not necessarily. comparing the shows as a one-to-one, but I don't know that I've ever seen it quite done like that. They really pulled Luthin out of the game and then almost made him a MacGuffin. It was fantastic storytelling. Yeah, really good. I mean, Cleo is certainly one of the characters who,

you know, Andor is one of the defining experiences for Star Wars fans and also just fans of, like, genre storytelling. And we are attached to a lot of those characters from Rogue One. Then, to your point, we become very attached to certain figures in season one. The fact that Clea is one of the characters after two seasons of Andor concluded, like dominating and animating, not only thought and care,

but conversation, really notable. Like, left one of the, yeah, spin-off conversations. It's just, Clayot would be an incredible, incredible winner. I don't think Cleo's going to be the winner.

I suspect the votes went elsewhere. We'll find out. And I think that what happened with Boy Cavalier, I mean, I think Boy Cavalier is an incredible character, and it's an amazing performance. What a name. to continue to spoil future category. There's another alien Earth best new character.

That's the one that I would very insistent be in. Yeah. And so we weren't going to have two alien earth new characters. Boy Cavalier sneaking here. Can you guys a question? Can you guys you guys a question? Is Boy Cavalier in the Dr. Hugh Mann obvious name, Hall of Fame?

It means Dr. Hugh, man. Dr. Humane. Boy, Calabler is really up there, though. This is really, really, like, He's a, he's Peter, he's Cavalier, boy, Cavalier. They don't do it like that anymore. He like named himself that. Right.

Versus Dr. Humane. Humane. That's his good name. That's funny. All right. Oh, this, this is nice. I love you. Is this where the sinners run begins?

Or where the Endor run continues. I think the sinners run begins here. Let's see. Winner of Best Character for the Ringervor's, Cleo Markey Andor. And her sweepstarring. And the fans smoking stack for sinners. Okay.

Whose penmanship is this? That looks gorgeous. Yes. Just for the people. Gorgeous. Shout out, my home of, Carly Jackson. Beautiful. It's amazing stuff.

She might have a job. I mean, that looks really good. It is gorgeous. Carly's the best. Thank you, Carly. Really good. Wow. Clay and Markey.

So we were kind of, we knew it. One battle after another of the ringerverse and or just taking them off. Just taking them off. Wait, let's not do that now. The real winner? The real winner? I mean,

our winner is the winner. Are you going to do a shared honor? For Clea? For Clea? Yeah. Hey, bringing another one back home to Lucasfilm to Disney. You guys, Mandalorian versus Grogu is coming real, real soon,

and we're just as proud of that as we are. And we're really, really hoping that you guys will go out to the theater and support that just in the same way. Okay, thank you so much. George, we love you. We love you. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out Elizabeth Dulao, who's the actress who plays.

Shout out. Elizabeth, while I am her. So shout out to everyone else. Right, now you have to accept it on behalf of Smoking Stack. As Ryan Cooghler. Don't, don't. No, we did that. You know what?

Here's a deal. And I'm glad I don't hear any. anything from the audience. Like, we did this for the culture, man. This was one for our ancestors, for all of the people down in the Delta that did what they were supposed to do so that

we could be standing here together. We see y'all, man. We see y'all, you know. And fuck England. You feel me? Plug in a movie on, like, on stage. It's pretty gee. That's what you do. Hey, go watch my new joint. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I got the trophy. I'm the band now.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Makes got a great. Joanna, you are now presenting your first category. What is it? I believe it is saddest moment. Fantastic. Oh, boy. Brutal.

This is a category that almost didn't make it into the verses this year. And I asked for it to come back just because we like to cry here. Let's, uh, let's see those nominees. Spoilers. Ha! Ugh. Ugh. Love you mom.

That last one. Really. That's messed up. That last one is messed up. Who cut that? You didn't have to put the moment that. That's the golf club and legies, y'all. Can I ask you a question?

If somebody is listening to this and not watching it, how do they know what's on the thing? And the nominees are, Foggy's death, daredevil, Joel's death, the last of us, the Gorman Massacre and or. What was the last thing? Spike saying goodbye. Spike saying goodbye to his mom 20 years later.

I'm really glad 28 years later is here in the Monversie's nominees Fantastic film That movie's metal and really kind of messed me up near the end Because of the way that he had to say goodbye to his mom That was a very like Spike is a great character Spike is a great character because it's like

A very tough coming of age that like Danny Boyle is very good at using kids To illustrate a kind of like What's wrong with you? Like a growing narrative in a character That is really really tough And that movie does it very well Let's look at his name in J-mail right now.

Oh! You can't say it like that. You can't say it that. Why are you? You can't say you? Do you think the last of us is going to have a shot here against Andor, or do you think once again, Andor will? I think that this is going to, I think this is going to be a reverse of what just happened.

I think that the ringer-verse vote is going to go to Last of Us, but the fan vote is going to go to Andor here. Okay. Those death is tough, man. for Andrew. See it right up there. I'm like, man, that actually is tough.

With the, why she had to stab him? Vengeance. I know, it's tough. It's a terrible cycle. You know, he deserved it.

Devastating moment. That might have been the death of Pedro Pascal, the character. People was like, once we got rid of Joel, people were like, damn.

That's tough. You know? I don't, I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I wouldn't say that. I would say it was the death of that show. Like, once Joel does. No, hell no.

Get at him to. Get at him to. I like Pedro. Get at him too. Because I say stuff and I just get at it. It's just Mando Grog who's going to, it's going to be tough. It's looking tough. Get up, Joe.

There's a lot of game left. We don't know. No, he's going to be fine. He's going to bounce back. He's going to be true. Guys, I'll just say this. If Mando and Grog is good, Mallory will feel so vindicated. And the rest of us will.

I mean, we're talking about. I'm not predicting it'll be good. I'm just going to be excited for it until I have no reason not to be. Thank you because you like the stuff that we're watching. I just want to be excited about the things that I love until I, until they've insist that I can't anymore. While we're talking about Manu and Grogu, just a quick sidebar. We have this conversation in the office.

I want to bring it to the people. There are some of us on this panel that think it's time for Groga to start speaking English or words or using his words. There are some people who are like he should continue to battle. The coupism battles. Tune into our Martian podcast coming out next week. Tuesday's podcast when Amanda presented us with multiple questions from her four-year-old son about as Knox calls him, Grogo. Brogo do not talk. I will punch him into the sun if he starts talking.

You're just a teenager now. You're just the sentient being now. Here it is the saddest moment is Charles Bunting. This is like in season. On some real shit, Grogu will whoop your ass. You got to, he got the force. We're not allowed to threaten violence against Groger. This is like in season one episode four sanctuary where they showed him in literal crosshairs.

And I was like, no. No. Absolutely not. Do you guys think maybe Dave Faloni's like, y'all don't even know what I got planned and they like kill Grogu off and it becomes like a national tragedy. Absolutely not.

Dave Flonny will never. Absolutely not. Killed Roku, the very thing that gave him basically his entire backyard. Like that's a story story three situation. Handed him the keys to Lucasfilm. He couldn't kill Osoka despite the fact

that she don't show up in none of the movies. Right? She could have died at the end of Clone Wars. It would be like, that makes sense. She was alive in Rebel. she got our own show brother. We're going to have Grogu forever. I hope so.

Ever. I hope so. And because we're going to have him forever, they can wait a while to have him speak. Does not need to happen on May 22nd. That wasn't the debate. The debate is different. Tune into House of Ar about the Martian to hear

what we got a little spicy. Okay. The winners are in saddest moment. Oh my gosh. Incredible stuff. The Ring of Verse voted for Joel's death, The Last of Us. There we go.

As Mallory. Easy. Nate Silver were there predicted. And then the fans voted for the Gorman Massacre and or the sweet continues, baby. You're not going to do a thank you speech for...

Hey, one more. Hey, another one. We're taking it home one more time. Once again, thank you to Disney. Thank you to AI data centers all across the country. Thank you to the volume.

Thank you to everything that makes what we do possible. Thank you to Gilroy. George, once again, Bring us home to you. Now do it for Pedro. Oh, Pedro. Yo.

Our vote. Listen, sometimes things don't go the way that we want them to go, but we still wake up every day as artists. We're a hater, man. And we continue to create. So, you know, that scene was really tough to shoot. Thank you to HBO. Thank you to Abby. Thank you to everyone.

Isabella Merced. Okay. So we are through four of the 12 categories. Andor has been nominated in three of the four, and Andor has won every category that it is eligible for so far. To recap, best visuals, fantastic four, won. Both votes?

It's the only one highlighted in the dock. Best line was Andor winning both votes. Best character. We voted for Clea from Andor. The listeners voted for Smoke and Stack from sinners and Satisf Moment. We voted for Joel's Death and Last of Us, and the listeners voted for the Gorman

massacre in Andor. Andor is cleaning up the Versi's so far. Here's the issue when we when we were going back and forth on nominations, we were like, wow, last year was kind of tough

which we knew because we lived through it, but last year was kind of tough for a lot of reasons. Transitioning year. For our content that we cover. Yeah. Andor we loved. Sanders we loved.

And then there's a lot of ups and downs across the board elsewhere. So much good stuff coming out this year. Next year's versus 24 categories, 10 nominees per category. Yeah. Carve out a full day.

Yeah. 12 hours of five. anymore champagne. Alaya already asked do we want espresso in the champagne. You know, some cap or are

disgusting? I don't know. Yeah. Alea is a beautiful star creature. Espresso and one cup champagne in the other. I trust Alea on any

culinary matter. Just do a espresso martinis. There you go. I had my first martini. As Joanna knows, I had my first martini recently. It was wonderful.

Your first martini? Ever. She got a super dirty martini. Whoa. What is you think? Bill's filthy. How many olives? How many olives?

How many olives? Three olives? , three olives. Three olives. A side jar. Yeah, right down the street at the Benjamin. It was fantastic. No free ads, but we both enjoyed the dirty martini.

It was great. It was great. A martini, as Hitchcock on Shorzee calls it. And now I've also mentioned Shorsi on every podcast with you this week. Okay. Next category, Charles. Did you know about one in three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriatic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling?

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All right. This is for the beats that keep us moving, the melody in our hearts that keep us singing. It was a great year for our Korean homies, for our black crumpin southern sharecroppers. These are your nominees for best music. I'm doing. Really good. Really good. I lied to you. Sanders.

Five years time. Super pretty good. For good. For good? Wicked. For good. I haven't changed for good. We already know who won.

This is just... I actually think this was really hard this category. This might be split. This might be split. I think Golden is going to probably won the fan vote by 99%. I think this, for me, this was really hard between sinners and K-pop demon hunters. Those were both magical.

It has to be golden. I mean, I think there's a chance that Golden and sinners kind of like went hand in hand. Like, I think it was like checking on Twitter and Instagram. It's pretty close. There we go. Shout out for Wicked, forget, for getting on the board there. Perfect category for Wicked to be

present in the Vercies. You know, was a movie. Yeah, like, let's get some other stuff in here. Right, yeah. Was a movie I also watched last year. I'm sleeping. Great. You fell asleep?

No. Wait, if we get for good? So here's a problem. In the theater, it was fun to be there, not because it was good, because it was dumb. And it was, like, really fun to watch them be, like, really dumb on the screen. It was, like, a great time. Then leaving, you're kind of, like, you think about a scoring, like, that was kind of, that was kind of way.

I mean, I'm more of, I'm more of, I'm always going to go this way. It's kind of way. They should never have split the movie this way. They should never split the movie. The, like, the, the, the crazy thing is the first one, so good. And it's alive and it's jumping and it's bumping. And then because you talk to people who have watched the musical before and they're like, all the good stuff was in the first act.

And I'm like, how bad could the... That duet. That's lovely, though. That song's very good. It is very good. I'm more of a no good deedhead, but that is the second act of Wicked. That's one of the most deep things you've ever said. It's more of a no good deed.

It's just so amazing, man. What? I'm more of a no good deedhead. Yeah. That was just like... Sterling Steve. I like me a good deed. I like disturb you by Rihanna and I like no good treat.

Charles, will you explain why Golden is, needs to be the winner? Because I literally only watched that movie once and I can see the song. It's so perfect and honestly just, it brings so much joy to the world. I do like Golden. Ain't about here. But Golden is great. Golden over the Sadra boy song.

Your idol? Your idol. Oh, definitely. Shut up. Saddam's awesome. What it sounds like, this is what it sounds like, that's my,

like, that's top two. But golden is just, they don't be singing that at graduation. It's a perfect fap song. And in a way, that's why golden is like, can be an award, darling.

They will over a green day. Instead of, instead of Haldi back of fly. Yeah, he's right. For sure. Instead of Harkin, he's going to go. The whole golden game.

This has made its way into the world in a way that is lasting. But Golden, it's, I think the fact that we all love so many different songs from K-pop Demon Hunters is part of why Golden is actually so dominant

on the award circuit, right? And Will Win and Oscar, like, you're awarding the music of the movie at large when you award Golden. Yeah. We should say, I mean, I lied to you is one of the best things that happened.

That's why I said to me, this was one of the most agonizing votes for me, because I think those are both, like, incredible. When they were... What do we think? Who won? When they were twerking? And I lied to you. that move. It's interesting because like nominating I like to you. Charles is mediocre and that's great.

No, I just, it's. The movie, the movie is basically. No, no, no, I'll get into it. The movie is perfect. I love, it's a 12. The whole thing is the perfect. The only single moment where I was like, hey, what's kind of happening?

When they were shaking out of the movie. When they were shaking booty. Because that's like the first thing. I'm like, wait, what's going on? And then I'm like, oh, okay. And the other things come in. Yeah. That was like the third thing in the montage.

Because I was just kind of like, all right, I kind of feel like that's not the place you would do that. But I get it. It would just be better. It was just even if I was like, dog, they crumping. This is crazy. The whole song or? It's the tiniest nitpick. The movie doesn't work without that scene.

I really agree. I agree. Yeah, of course. I agree. She's just like, wait. What's going on IMX cream? What's going on? Confused for half a second.

But it's great. It's perfect. I love it. All right. Who do we think one? All right. And the winner is. is.

Oh, this is so prestigious right now. No. The way that Ribbon is not is. You hear that Conan? And your winner is Ringerverse.

I lied to you. Singers. And the vain vote, same. Oh. Oh. Oh. Eat that K-pop

Demon Hunters? Honestly, kind of shocked. Empty-handed. I thought sinners would win the ringer verse. I thought that Golden would win the

can I just tell you? I'm a. a little worried about Golden at the Oscars. What do you think is going to win instead? I lied to you. Like, I would be, I would be, I'd take those. I'd be so exciting. Golden has been ahead for so long.

Yeah. And then I feel like people kind of, and like, what's happening with sinners right now is people are just getting kind of excited about something different happening. There's momentum. And so I could see it, it would be surprising. Everyone has expected it would be golden

since K-pop Demon Hunters came out. But I don't know. Wait, how many do you think Senators is taken home? Um, I don't know. Like, I mean, do you think, do you think Michael's taking best actor? Yes. I think it'll probably win. I think, like, it's weird.

The Timmy thing broke. And it's the dumbest thing ever, but I do think it broke at the worst. I'm like, ooh. But it didn't affect the voting. No, it happened after voting. Well, it didn't happen after voting, but it kind of went viral after voting. Yeah. But Timmy also had already lost the SAG Award and the BAFTA.

So he wasn't like this runaway front runner anyway. Michael winning the SAG Award. Everyone was so excited about it. Viola like really sold the moment. Like everyone was like, hey, he was incredible. That was amazing. What I'm remembering is when everyone thought we were getting a posthumous award for Chadwick Bozeman and then Anthony Hopkins won for the father.

They made that the last award of the night. And they did the last award of the night. And I'm just like braced. I'm just like, let's, let's be ready for something. not like that time. I mean, you know, I guess now this is to me the most interesting best actor

moment that I can remember. Yeah. Because... In a minute, yeah. Yeah, because like it was everyone just knew it was Marty Supreme. At first, everyone thought it was Leah. Yeah.

Then it became Martyrs. I don't remember the last time it vacillated between three different actors in one cycle. Well, and there's plenty of... Lack of War. Yeah. And Ethan Hawk.

there's not a lot of I'm not of the juice I'm not of amazing he's not a lot of belief in a shame that performance is amazing amazing good for him

I'm out of Louman and Timmy wins it would be funny if he's like fuck y'all fuck ballet I'm out of interesting

we can talk about it well you have the theater bonified so who won again I like I like to you I like to you hey

thank you to twirking thank you to Jim Joyce thank you to share cropping thank you to like you know

to the Misty Copeland. We support opera and the ballet. We support. That's the difference between us. All right. Age old, ancient forms of artistry. We support you guys.

We'll be there to show up for you guys. We love you. Thank you to send us. There we go. Thumbs right up to. Okay, Steve. Yes. I have.

Would you like to present your first category? Best new character. Here we go. These are for the ones that made the biggest impressions in our hearts. This is one of the we're weirder categories we have today, but in a fun way. I genuinely did. Uh, the nominees are. What an odd

Chris. Bud, Predator Badlands. Dr. Ian Kelson, 28 years later. Yes. I am. The eyeball jockey, Alien Earth.

You don't want to try the long man? Incredible. Absolutely no. You know, we just get up in this place. Bob, aka Century, Thunderbolts. I'm getting my blood on for this medical study and the next time I'm here. In my pajamas. I don't know.

This is a wonky category. It sucks. It sucks. What are you talking about? There's the man who didn't vote. I would like someone to call Rafe finds right now and tell him he's in a category up against.

Let me say something that would be the honor of my life. We call him and he's here right now. I feel like I did vote. Remick, who, what happened? Remick would have been a good nominee. Oh, Rememit would have been a good nominee here as well. Remick, cornbread. Cornbread.

I mean, I'm not too upset about it. I mean, I about it. took over. Eyeball jockey. Eyeball jockey. Yeah. I was really rooting. I was really rooting.

That was the whole fucking show. Yeah. What a good show. Remember how scary the sheep was? Un settling. I think the show went a little. Half of it was big. You're not going to do the shitting part?

It was good. I liked it. We respect Alien Earth ultimately because of the biggest swing possible that it could have done as a show. And the conversations that I remember it provoking amongst the Midnight Boys were like, what does art mean? mean? What is like living mean and all of that stuff? And we're like, the show's all right, but like what is this about? And then it did the thing that all TV does is I'm going to set up

a second season, but you're not going to see that for five years. So good luck. On House of Arr, it was like a lot of this is canon shattering. Oh yeah. It was a lot of Malory fact-checking the showrunner. The showrunner being like, wow. What a nerve you are. Remember when he presented me with the world's biggest nerd? World's biggest. Dude. Also remember when Timothy Oliver saw came on the podcast? vividly. That was magical. I had a hard time deciding here between, I think that 28 years later deserves some wins. And I think that Dr. Ian Kelson is a great character. And Ray finds it's a wonderful performance. But I had to be honest with myself that I think I'm over-indexing on bone temple. That's bone temple's time. Exactly. Like next year is his year. So is it the eyeball jockey's category? I think it's a category to lose. I, listen, shout out to Bud. I love Bud. Also there. Best part of Predator Badlands.

I wasn't the best part of Predator Badlands. Great to have Predator Badlands in the Verses here as a nominee. I love that movie. Fantastic. Nice little movie. You liked it. A fun of fine time in the movies. Yeah.

A good time. Not the last time we'll be talking about Predator Badlands today. No, not at all. All right, but let's find out the winner. And the winner is. Nice. The Ring of Verse, we have a two-way tie between Bud and the eyeball jockey. What?

And the fan is Dr. Ian Kelston. Hey! Yes. Who voted for Bud right now? This is complete chaos then. Who gets the mercy? I voted for Bud. I did not vote for Bud.

I definitely didn't vote for Bud. I don't know. I would have to be. I can't remember. I didn't vote for Bud. I can't remember if I voted for Bud. I can't remember if I voted for Dr. Halson or the eyeball.

I think I voted for Eyeball Jockey. When we tie, I think it should go to who the fans want it. But neither of our. The fan votes is a different. Three different things. We can get a tie. Instant drop poll. Between.

and the eyeball jockey. I could be spread against we're going to give it to eyeball jockey. I genuinely think that would be a tie. And Dr. Ian Kelson,

would you care to accept the awards? Do the accent. Of the eyeball jockey. Hey, thank you for bringing me to life. Thank you for all the sentient beings that I can get inside of. Whoa.

Whoa. That's what it is. If you were the eyeball jockey, which, who would you most want to be inside of? Really? just a warm. What a question.

What a question. Just a roll of moist tentacles. Finish that thought. I think it's a really normal question. It is. It's a really normal beginning of an answer to this. Who in the world? Who anywhere in the world?

If you were to eyeball jockey. You can wriggle your way into anyone who are you doing that too. Because you're like your body snatching them. I was convinced that the eyeball jockey was going to get Boy Cavalier at the end of that. There's a lot of game for that.

this is what they were going for. Yeah. Bat and Switch, David Riesel. Dr. Ian, what's his name? Kelson. Dr. Ian Kelsen? Yo, Ray Fines, it's me, Ray Fines. My brother thought that he was going to pass me up, didn't happen.

I'm still a man. Guess what? Ray Fines one of all-time greats. Ray Fines doesn't have an Oscar, but now he has a Verst. He's got a mercy. It's a travesty that Ray Fides doesn't have an Oscar, but he has a scandal and an outrage. A lot of game left. What was his brother's name again?

Joseph. Shakespeare in Love? Shakespeare in Love. He was the man for a second. Yeah, handmade's tale. But we came back and we took that nigga over. Yep. Enemy at the gate.

He said that. That's what he said. Word for word. Ray Fines is just an incredibly charismatic and magnetic performer. And also, very few people have ever looked hotter than Ray Fines and Constant Gardner. He's really done for whatever.

I mean. Rie Fines was in Quiz Show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Love them in Quiz Show. Great movie. I mean. English Pineshians.

English. English patient. I can't phone with the English patient. I hear what you're saying. And I've thought about this a lot. I think I spent a lot of time thinking about the hottest men on screen. Yes, same. It's got to be Harrison Ford.

Well, it's Harrison Ford a witness. Banging the top of the car in the barn and then singing and dancing. Second, Aragorn opening the doors. Yeah, that's minted. Number three. That's an Aragon on all of our podcast this week as well. Okay. next category.

Jomey, it's back to you. You don't look better for your second category. Marlonneville? Streetcar, Marlin. The tightest white shirt that ever. Very powerful. Very powerful.

No love for James Dean? Yeah, it's not for me. It's not for you. It's not your top of name? I'm not. Okay, that's fair. Best director. Okay.

I fear we're kind of in a it's blowout territory. This is a deep one. We can, we can go through it. We can, you know. Hey, show some nominees. Why not? Just for fun.

Danny Boyle, 28 years later. Ryan Coogne, sinners. Homaz Gun. How the fuck did that get in there? Drake, Jake Shrier, Thunderbolts, my fault.

Jake Shriar. Jake, Thunderbolts, my fault. It's our guy. We love Jake. X-Men. He's helping X-Men. So, let's not pretend like we don't know what this is.

Yeah. It's going to be Coogler. No question. Shout out to him. What is it not? What if it could have? Maybe. Maybe he got upset.

Who knows? Why do you hate James Gun? Why did you say that? No, I just, it was surprising. You know, you, okay. Okay, you're not being serious. It's my fault. I like James Gun.

I like the movie, but it was a decent, it was like a. So I didn't watch 28 years later because movies, movies scare me. Great movie. But Danny Boyle getting nominated, Mao, Joe, Steve, purveyors. What did Danny Boyle do to end up on here? Yeah, white people. What did Danny Boyle do to nom? Bro used iPhone.

in the best way possible. No. I think the causeway chase, yes. Running from the Alpha under the Northern Lights is like one of the most visually arresting things

I've seen in some time. It was gorgeous, but also just the tension and the suspense across the film and the ability to capture. First of all, this is like a return of the Boyle Garland team

inside of a beloved franchise, right? And a great way to revive the franchise and to take us through this passage of time and root us in that community and then take us back into the abyss of

carnage, allow us to understand the quarantine situation and people coming in from outside of that, the alphas, the crawling worm situation. Like, this movie was sensational. The performances were excellent. I think Boyle is a very worthy nominee here. Obviously, Cooble Coole should read. There's a lot about this movie that I didn't love as much as you and Chris Ryan, et cetera, et cetera. But the performance from this kid, like, it's like a once in a lifetime, like, intro to a young actor kind of performance. He's so good in this movie. Jody Comer's incredible. in this movie. And Judy Comer, someone who wasn't, like,

who wasn't, someone else who was supposed to be, like, in everything and just killing it and, like, has made some odd choices. And I was just really happy for her to get this great project to show us what she could do. And then our guy, Jack O'Connell shows up at the end. Yeah, he's bone tempest. So, yeah, I love Danny Boyle.

Yeah. But to be clear, we all voted for Ryan Coogler, who should clearly run the category. It was pretty easy. This was an easy one. No, big Coog. You were hating on James Gun. I mean, we, we, we, we,

We haven't talked about it, but like Superman, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts. Oh, good to great movies in their own respects. You didn't like it. How would you rank them? Ooh. So, if we talking just like the four superhero movies that came out last year? Captain America Four is last. I'm sorry.

Right. I'm sorry. My guy. Anthony Mackie, my fault. I love you, but it just wasn't what it was. He's not listening. Three, he definitely is. He definitely is.

Three, ah, that I'm going to call me a hater. I'm putting Superman that through. I'm talking about it. I'm sorry. Bold. I'm sorry. I watched Fantastic 4 on Disney Plus. It was heat.

I'm not going to lie at the crib. Yeah. Fantastic 4 is too. Number one is Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts really is exceptional. You can run that back a couple of times. I loved Thunderbolts. I loved it.

It's great. Thunderbolts is great. It's great. All right. Let's open this envelope. Man, surprise, surprise. It could be anybody's game, guys. Jake Shrier.

Come on now. Jake Shryor right there. In your seat. Oh my gosh. It's an upset. John Kaczyliski. For F1. We did it.

John. He said. I thought you were about to say John Krasinski, you turned. It's Ryan Kugler. Ryan Kugler, yeah. It's Ryan Kugler. Woo. For both.

Sinners. You. Sinous. Birthday. Woo. Hey. Nope. Not doing it anymore.

No. No. Yeah. So it's time. No. Kooke. Shout out to Koot. Who's a nice category?

You got to be a word again? Okay. us. It is back to Steve. Back to Steve. Right. We're going to reverse now. Right, yeah. Best showrunner is our next category.

Easy. We already know what it is. This is, again, probably going to be a suite for who we all know we think it is, but kind of just like a person that's the anchor point for some of the best shows and Steve that we have last year. Tell everybody what a showrunner does.

Pretty much it's like the guy that does everything, like picks directors, picks writers rooms, sets the tone for the show. More or less. Yeah, you were trying to get him. And the nominees are. Apologiastic. The Duffer Brothers, Stranger Things. What a strange picture?

Vince Gillian, pluribus. The Strangers thing is on the end. Gilroy. Andor. Noah Hawley, Alien Earth. Incredible photo. Braclet core. In the back.

In the back, could you bring up the Duffer Brothers picture again? Yeah, shout out the Duffer Brothers, man. Hey, what are you? Are you? Are you about to deliver an ice cold take on Lucas's wig? No, I'm not delivering it. It's not an ice cold take. It is.

If y'all can in the back, if it's possible, it doesn't seem like it is. That was a weird picture, man. When y'all watch it on TV, I don't know why. Mal and Joe, when you guys talk to Noah Hawley about alien groups, what did you come away with from his main sentence? about the show and why you liked it. I did not vote for Noah Holly in this category.

I voted for Tony Gilroy. I assume we all did. But you didn't talk to No Holly. I thought about voting for Vince Gilligan. I think it's great because I thought Flores absolutely ruled. And in terms of like the conversation you're describing that you had based off of alien earth

of like what is art, what is etc. Like those are the kind of conversations we had around Pluribus. Like I just thought that was one of the like the most thought-provoking, interesting, challenging shows that came out last year. I actually tend to agree with that. I think that if you're looking at this

and sort of giving the award out based on what the showrunner has to do and like what the lift is, Pluribus just had this insanely heavy lift. There were times where I was, you don't know, but there were times where I was like, what the hell is happening, but that was part of the narrative, I think. That was a great show. Not the last time, Ploribus will come up today, but this is a great spot for Ploribus to be included. It's appropriate that Stranger Things is here in some capacity.

We'll have one more Stranger Things appearance, I think, today. A Titanic undertaking for that big of a show. And like, yes. Also just like welcome back to the ringer verse world Vince Gilligan because he comes from X-Files and then he does you know breaking bad and better cross all and now he's back in the world of sci-fi and he's crushed it. So why do we all know that the name in this envelope is Tony Gilroy? I mean if it's not, then yeah, come on. Let's have some shame. Yeah.

What are we even doing here? Yeah, exactly. What are we doing here? And what we're doing here is figuring out the winner. Mm-hmm. Let's go. T-knots guy. F-1 just won a second ago, man.

It could be anybody. Could be anybody. Kalinsky? was it? That's what his name is. And the winner is from the fan and the ringer verse

Tony Gilroy. Congrats, Tony. Hey, TG. Stay up. Congrats, Tony. That was one of my favorite interviews we've ever done. That was magical.

Stay up. That was acceptable. All right, Tony. Congrats on your varsity. Charles, next category. Next up, it's best movie performance. The cold brew is wearing off. I don't have anything slick to say.

You don't have a five. Five? You can't give the people. There's no bit. He refuses. He refuses to podcast. Jacob Allorty, Frankenstein. That was he, right?

Yeah. We get some other stuff in here. Alf Anning, Predder Badlands. Universal translation. You hear yautcha. Others hear their language. Michael B. Jordan, sinners. Florence Pugh.

I am so alone. This is a good category. I don't have anything anymore. Sneakily. Yeah. do have a question because if Michael B. Jordan wins on Sunday, I'll be super happy. I don't know if I walked out of sinners being like, that's our best actor. I was more so impressed that he, like, carried the movie as an action star.

But now I'm like, damn, like he's going to get a best actor for a very weird role. I have a question to your question. Why do you hate black people? I'm just saying. Sounds like that's crazy. What would you pretend it was for? That's what I like to do when someone gets an Oscar for something that I don't think. I mean, for Michael B. Jordan, he deserves.

one for Creed if we're being honest. Like Jamie Lee Curtis's fake Oscar? Yeah. What's that for? True. Trading places? I mean, is Leo's Oscar? Yeah, of course. Leo's Oscar is very famous. Yeah.

The revenue. Come on. That's crazy. Well, who did you vote for here then? Who do you think should win? Oh, I still voted for smoke to stat. It's easy. In terms of like what was there? What we was voted? I'm like, I'm going to give it to Michael B. Jordan, but damn. Who else would you nominate? This was a good spot to get Frankenstein in to the versus.

Alority performance is very good. It was tough. It was rough. Thin. Yeah. But honestly, even in sinners, like, Delroy, I felt like was a better performance.

We don't have, this isn't like gendered or in leader supporting. But still, I'm glad that Jacob Allorty is here because he was the best part, obviously, of that. Easily the highlight of Frankenstery.

And now Frankinsin is a Versi nominee. I could not make it. I think that's when I stopped. I was drinking a lot of milk and I was like, I just, I don't know. I can do this. Did I tell you my milk information? What is your milk information? Okay, that's a plurface thing.

I'm scared. Okay, remember when we did the Valentine's episode and you were talking about the upside down kiss and Spider-Man and how like, how do you want to explain why you were calling out that moment? I just think it's weird that everyone's like, oh my God, what a hot, cool, sexy, iconic thing. And I'm like, it's basically waterboarding, like the water going into the, the fabric against the nose. I don't understand why it's, in order to make the rain.

viewable on camera. They made it milk? That was milk. They were waterboarding him. Curled me into a volcano. My sister and my nephew went on the Warner Brothers tour and they learned that in the Warner Bros. tour.

It smelled crazy. They were milkboarding him. That's so bad. Was it 2% fat free? What's the... Oh, I don't know. I would say skim. Skim.

For rain? Yeah, because that back then they wasn't really fucking with the oak milk like that. No. That was before all of the fancy shit. Officially the widest scene in the movie history now. to why milk is raining from

anything that anyone wants to say about Florence Pugh here about this performance as Yelina? Insane. Insane level up for that character from that's a black widow. You know what's interesting with Florence Pugh. We've talked a lot about the MCU over the last couple of years and the mantling of these characters seems to be very difficult. Like we can't get away from the original interpretation of the character.

And there are some people that are now starting to think that it's not just difficult, but it's impossible struggling with the new Captain America. Can there be a new Iron Man? Blah, blah, blah. She did it. Yeah, I agree. She did it. We had a black widow that we loved that was very important to us and to our narrative.

They introduced a new black widow that was connected to the original black widow, and she's embodied the character and taking the character further. Who do you think are the most, I think Kamala Khan and Yelina Bolova are like the two most successful, like, post. Avengers End Game lifts. Yeah. Yeah. Kamala Khan, yeah. Not her show necessarily, but her as a character. She's a star.

She's a hard. I think if there's anyone else, now you're right. I mean, I mean, this is obviously this is going to sound crazy for me to say, but Hawkeye, Kate Bishop. Kid Bishop. Kid Bishop. I mean, the Kate Bishop and Elena. It all comes back to Elena. So Macon she's in Saracha.

Shout out El Fanning, too, for a petter of Baton. She was great. She was crazy fun. Incredible that. She also played, you know, two like twins or sisters in that as well. That's right. Upper half and lower half

with the leg thing. That was fun. So two of our nominees played twins. More than one role. Interesting. Okay. Are we expecting a sweep here?

It was like, is smoking seven cheese? Yeah. This is good. Anything is possible. All right. And your winner for both.

Michael B. Jordan's smoking stack. Come on. Let's go, Mike. First and then. We got a major picture. Wrote the same thing twice. It should be Michael A. Gorgeous.

For the way he's. Fantastic. All right, Joe, what's your second category? I've got best show performances like basically our Emmy. That was our lead actor. No gender required Oscar. This is our lead performance Emmy. Let's see those nominees.

She told her I kidnapped you. What? You rescued us. I know. That's not even the worst of it. When you miss me or you want to talk, I'll always be there Looking back at you

We need to get to the rear loading dock There's a ride waiting for us I'm not sure I can be this Welcome to the rebellion Weird the weird next door they know we're some goddamn Yeah how How would they know that? Are you reading my mind

Stacked field Loaded Nuss actually actually nuts Here's a couple of things I will say though I sort of like what you were saying about I don't think Diego Luna is the best performance at Andor And so like is he the lead actor of Andor undoubtedly And we've already like honored Clay as a character

But like that is he I would put him Like fifth down the list of best performances I voted for Diego but even when we were doing this I was like why is he the Andor pick And I'm like I guess we need to put the lead in that role I guess But Babu Sisi is not the lead of the owner But he was the heart of That's incredible.

He just is that. That's who I voted for. That's who I voted for. I mean, so good. Maro is incredible. You've talked about it on the watch, but we haven't talked about it on our podcast, the fact that Bobu Sisei is going to be. Playing Benis of the show. I'm so excited.

One of my favorite characters, who's a complete maniac in the novella. I'm going to be like 9 million exclamation marks. Absolutely thrilling. It's going to be great. Shout on Jamie Kamabobah for getting on the board. Yeah. That was my nomination. Excellent performance.

Just like, excellent performance. Just Stranger Things was really about being the final season, but he was really good. Vecna. Henry. Henry one. Dechna is the bad guy, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was extremely good. Yeah, he does that sometimes. Yeah, he does that sometimes. He was incredible. She is that show. Yeah. I mean, yeah, she's a low. Carol from most of the time.

You know what I really enjoy about that role? Like, that is the role. That reminds me, remember we talked about this when we did our podcast together, my friends. We talked about this with Killian Murphy with Oppenheimer. Yeah. Yes. How you do the role. Oh, she was Kim Wexler.

And then, yeah. Yeah. You come back and your creative partner who gives you the shot and it's all about you. Yes. And then you kill it and you deliver. Yes. For him to come back with her with this show and the show is essentially just an acting exhibition for her where she gets to show everything that she can do after I've worked with. It's amazing.

She worked for it. This is what I love about, yeah. I mean, that's the Claya thing is like Clayah shows up in season one of Andor and when they saw what that actress could do. Right. They gave her so much order to do in season two. And so when Vince Gilligan saw what Ray Sehorne could do on Better Cross Hall, first of all, Kim Wexler becomes the co-lead of that show in subsequent seasons. But then he's like, and now I'm going to give you a whole show where it's like basically just you.

And she killed it. It's great. Listen to the voice mail a thousand times. Go crazy. The whole thing. Don't skip. Don't press two. All right.

It's probably going to be Diego and we support. I love Diego. I support it. Yeah, this is an interesting one. I don't know how this is going to go. It too mama, Timbion. What was it called? Itchimamatian.

I fucking love that movie. Love. The terminal. The winner in both categories, Diego Luna. Oh, okay. Cassian and Orr. Endor is unstoppable on the versus.

Unstopper. Hey, I have a question for you guys. Who would the rebellion have been more fucked without Cassie and Andor or Luke Skywalker? Take one away. Well, you can't get Luke without us.

It's every little step forward. Yeah. There you go. Honestly, it's Diego because I could argue everything that happens, you know, after. It's based on him. It's kind of Luke's fault. So, you know what I mean?

Diego got to go out on top. Right. Luke kind of went out on a bummed. Diego doesn't have a flawed legacy. Yeah. But Cassie doesn't show up without Luther. Or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Right?

Cassie doesn't show up without Luther. So like how far back do you take it? I was just asking for a cool hypothetical and you guys galaxy brained it. So it's just like, you know, who is the face of the rebellion? The coolest lessons you learned from Andor was this idea of like Canaan Jarris? Your animation.

Rebel time, rise. Agenda. But like the essential part of the rebellion is that it's every hand. It's Lonnie. It's whoever it is. What little thing did you do to move it one step forward, one step forward?

Can't wait to go to the Rebellion Hall of Fame and go to the Lonnie wing of the rebellion. It's just a bench. You're the only one with clarity of purpose. As Socorer. Remember what we're listening? went to Lonnie's bench and sent us a photo. Do you put Sa on the Rebellion, Hufflefam?

The Sao was the man, too. Oh, yeah. I mean, Lewis. Righto. Yeah. Well, because, I mean, he was... I think a lot of the finale, though, Orients around the idea, as voiced often by Cassian, right? None of it happens without Luton.

Right. But I think Joe is ultimately right. We shouldn't fall into the trap that the fascist set for us. That it takes one person. It takes a chosen one. It's not... Maybe, you know who it is? Actually, it's Nemic.

But Diego... The manifesto. The manifesto. Cassian did not try to kill his nephew. So. Only one person in the galaxy could have made the shot. That we know.

That's true. Ultimately, I'm with you. If actually, if actually forced to choose, I am with you, of course. I love to age.

Okay, we have two categories left. Best movie and best show. I wonder what's going to happen, Matt. I don't think the outcome of either is much of a mystery. We are going to do best movie first. Right. And then because it was,

I think we agree, a strong year for television, compared to movies but not the strongest year we've ever had for either? I don't know. We know that sinners and Andrew are going to win. But before we do that, for next year, if we had to prognosticate who we feel

like are the frontrunners for best movie. Doom 3 is obviously up there. Yep. Sure. Project Hail Mary. We spend so many nominees to do four Odyssey. There's an Avengers movie. Odyssey and probably Dooms Day. Yeah. But maybe Spider-Man knocks Dooms Day out. Maybe it's just a better movie.

Maybe Spider-Man knocks Odyssey out. What does Spider-Man Knox do now? All right. Holland v. Holland? Holland. Oh, my dad. It's so interesting. Okay.

So he's a kid when he's a kid anytime else. You guys hate it. You guys hate it when I say that about him. They know what the audience wants from Tom Holland. Because they cut the Odyssey trailer and in the trailer, he goes, Shish my dad. And like, they know what the audience wants from him. They know what they want.

Y'all always act like I'm saying, No, they want to do you think this breaks? Let's say he has a little light skit. He asked to your biracial list was Zaddea. Do you think we're like, no, he's a dad now? I know more bi-racial, then. Then it's the other side. The other side?

Yeah, man. Why? Why? Because you, you didn't cut the cut. At that point, Hayley Stifel. You didn't cut the cut. What rules are we operating?

I'm just saying, at that point, it's Haley Stinefield. It's not, it's like, you didn't cut the cut. So what's it? Once it's past 50-50, you know what? Because it's never, you didn't cut the cut, bro. Okay. So, they, like, shout out. That's what I'm saying?

You got to, you know what I'm saying? You didn't cut the cut. Yeah, right, right, right, right, right. You could have brought it back. You know what I'm saying? Could have went out and got you a Lakee-Stanfield, but you got you a tall- All right, man, enough. Enough.

Jesus Christ. Disclosure day could be one of the last. Disclosure day. Never count them out. Oh, wait. Is that tinfoil hat brain shit? When people. People are like, yo, this is a sequel to close encounters.

Well, I think it's a creative continuation of Spielberg's preoccupation. No question, right? You have close encounters, you have 18, I have Disclosure Day. But like from a different relationship to the idea. I heard someone say something and this shit would be dope. What if Richard Dreyfus was the Avery? Comes back on the ship. If the ship lands and Richard Dreyfus returns?

Emily Blunt is also her character from Devil Wars Prada 2. Oh, my God. Devil Rose Proto 2 is my arm. Are you wearing the Twist of my arm. It'll be great. Yeah, Disclosure Day. How do we feel about Disclosure Day?

Excited. It's odd that like... I decided to be excited. It's like... It's flying... I hope so you took it in the first... The trailers... I did.

I will never doubt Spilberg. I really did like West Side Story. Why? It was great. You didn't like West Side Story? No, you can doubt Spilberg. Right out of Spilberg. No, you can doubt Spielberg.

Spielberg's made a lot of movies. I don't think he's made a great movie. A great movie. for over a decade. What's the last one? You didn't like the Fableman's? Is it a great movie? It was fine.

Not bad. Stephen Spielberg is a dead-ass, goaded, all-time, 24-kered gold filmmaker, and it's okay to be like, is this movie going to be as good? He's not in his Nolan era. Yeah. It's just not.

Besides or other people's singles. Like, it's not. Catch me if you can, I know where you report. I agree. I mean, sure. Damn. Catch me if you can to me is a perfect movie. That's a 20 years.

I do. God damn. I agree. Tell me one since then. That is great. So I would say, so I, when I'm really, really into it, you can almost convince me that War of the Worlds is like right there. Like, just because the movie is, the movie is very sinister.

It moves at a really snappy play. I'm open to it, but that's just a few years later. I understand. It's basically the same time. I'm not saying that I'm always the way there with that movie, but going back and examining it in that movie, that movie really, really works for me. He's made so many movies. Are you coming through with like Ready Player 1?

Yeah. We're just going to make a case for Ready Player 1. No. No love for Indiana Jones in the kingdom of the Crystal School? Charles. Actually, let's be real. I'm up with that one. Let's be serious.

All right. Lincoln? Lincoln's a good movie. Lincoln's a good movie. I don't think it's a great movie. Interesting. War Horse. The story came out in theaters. I feel like people would like it more.

I'm not. They did shoot as well word in the back. I like West Side Story. I like. I like West Side. These are good movies. These are good movies. but when we're talking about, is it okay to doubt him as if he,

at this point his own curve, if he takes a big swing that he could miss, he can miss. It's like it's not 1991 anymore, 9, 2003 anymore. That's not a diss to Stephen Spielberg. Made fucking save a private ride. It's not a diss to him.

It's like, you know, it's where we are. That's a movie. Jurassic Park. Hell. The fuck what we're talking about. You know what I'm saying? Predictions for the prompt for TV shows? I think June 3 is going to take it away next year.

Yeah. What do we think the nominees for TV show? going to be. So Night of the Seven Kingdoms, for sure. That's already got a spot locked. Lanterns. Lanterns. Joanna will be locking the Google Doc after typing in the vampire list of that.

Oh, dad, da. No, yeah. That, yeah. We can't wait for that. Lanterns is coming. In the next couple of weeks, you get invincible. House of the Dragon. Yeah.

House of the Dragon comes out. House of the Dragon might do numbers. The boys final season. The boys' final season. Blade Runner? Say, oh. decided for Blade Runner. Spider-Nus.

Spiders. Honestly, I'm kind of really jazzed about that. I hope that's good. I hope that's good. I'm excited. I hope you're right. I just can't wait to watch both versions of it that they put it. You're going to watch the color version?

No, I'm going to watch black. What's wrong with color version? What's wrong with color? They're coming out with the black and white and the color version. The color version. The color. Is there a color? So there's a color version.

So what you're saying? It's like laundry, you know? And then there's a colored version. It's like laundry? Yeah. What's going on with you? What's, what happened? Steve, y'all pool when we get in the pool.

There's some other big shows coming that we're completely forgetting about that are late summer. We've got time to, we've got time. You guys can't. You guys can't. You guys can't help him. Okay. He's on his own. He's on his own.

I'm not. I'm not. Abrupt subject change. No, my friend. Abrupt subject change. Oh, dear. Okay. Should we get to our final two categories?

It's a mystery. Van. Best movie. What could it possibly be? Okay, best movie is the category. Okay. So this is for the best movie. Right.

And you're going to ask to show the nominees. The movies that were the best. So last year, there were movies that came out. Yes. And then we decided that what we would do is we would give you guys a chance to tell us which one was the best. Right. You're the nominees. K-pop demon hunters, Netflix, sinners, Warner Brothers.

I'm here. Superman. Warner Bros. You can find a way. Thunderbolts. Together. Disney. Oh.

Tough year. Tough year. This is a pretty easy one, guys. It's sinners. That's so swag. Wait, has Superman gotten any awards here? No. Did we only get one MCU award for Fantastic Four one?

Yeah. I mean, I... Sinners and Andor are going to win almost every word. They're winning everywhere they're eligible. Okay, next year, let's put Wonder Man in the mix. Why not?

Oh, I love that. No rule. Loved Wonder Man. A peek behind the curtain, we were like, if we put centers into the, into the nomination,

it's going to sweep, and that's kind of what happened, right? And so, you know, obviously, Kugler, everybody involved out of the damn, real love,

you know what I'm saying? But we knew what was going to happen once we put sentence in the mix. So when we talk about these movies, what is the criteria? What do we mean? What do we say best? No, no,

no, you put it on film? And what do we mean when we say movie? Well, for best or for like, why is it eligible? Why is it eligible? For a mercy. Why is it eligible for a mercy? Yeah, like, there might be people that might be asking why sinners being included in some of

these other movies, there are no capes, there are no superheroes? Like, what are it? They're a genre story. Yeah, absolutely, right? Anything that we have or could cover on the Midnight Boys or House of Ars is eligible for a versy. I will say this category was already kind of like full up when I got to the nominations, but like, I wouldn't, like, I think it makes,

It's tough because for what is our usual, like, bread and butter, it makes sense that we nominate a Marvel movie. And it makes sense that we nominate Superman and stuff like that. But, like, I would put 28 years later above those movies, you know, like, I would put Predator Badlands above some of those movies. Frankenstein. So, you know, not Frankenstein. I like Superman quite a bit. I definitely think that 28 years later is one of the best genre films that came out last year without question. That movie is awesome.

Yeah. Just fantastic. The winner is sinner. So talking about the nominees is like kind of... But Superman was like a... Like way better than I was worried it was going to be. I thought superman was great. I'm happy to say that.

And we've talked about this before, but like the fact that my nephew loved it made me love it even more. Like for a generation, this is going to be their Superman. Yeah. If he gets to make more. Well, this is an interesting moment to sort of assess and decide

do we like this constitution of the Verses better than the way we used to do it before? Because in prior years, the category would have been like, best pet companion, we would have been talking about crypto. That would have been great. Shout out to crypto. Crypto ruled.

What do we think? Should we go back to that? No. I mean, you know, I honestly, I like awarding dominance. Whose idea was it to do more Oscar-esque categories? Certainly not mine. Then I support that person, whoever that was. Who's mine?

Oh. The war for best movie is sinners. Mars. Absolent dominance. sinners is sweeping Sinners won every category It's nominated in A preemination

Of what's to come on Sunday No I think the worst possible If they get Usually in the Oscars The worst possible thing happens We're all just mad about it So we're gonna get So Cougar

You know Is gonna get best original screenplay Yes Right After that Like we think Michael B Jordan might come around There's some below the line

type stuff Yeah Yeah And then there's one me Yeah Yeah in the best supporting actors. But then we start to,

you think about best director and best picture starts to like, fall off. That's PTA and one back. Yeah, Wobacco's yet.

I want a cougar is still one of them. He's got time. I promise you, he's got time. I know, but I wanted it to steal one out of

best picture or best director. I see he might. They're still game left. I wouldn't be surprised. But every, every part I talk to, everybody,

every single person I talk to is like, it's one battle, it's one battle, it's one battle. I'm getting disheartened. But there's a, there's a parasite year.

You know? Yeah. But even the parasite year, we knew Parasite coming in. It was the best movie. Like, there was a lot of gas around it. People's favorite. Like, they usually don't see that. We didn't know it was going to win best picture.

Yeah. Really? Really? Yeah. Huh. That was like a late in that race. Sort of, there was a hope and there was an excitement. But there wasn't like, Parasites definitely going to win.

Oh, man. I am misremembering that like crazy. Let me ask you guys this, though. In the best actor race, we have this really interesting race in the best actor race, in the best actress race. That's kind of, it's off. It's a sweat. So it's this, we're having the same thing.

They might as well do that first. Jesse Buckley, shout out. Hamlet. Hamlet. I love her. Great performance. I mean, she was fantastic. I don't want to talk about the fact that I saw the bride yesterday.

That don't know. I was tough. I want to ask you about this. Because you were, you were bride hive number one. I was wrong. Back in the day. Yeah. I've never been more wrong in my time.

It happens to all of us, man. We go into me like, hey, I'm so high for this movie. can't waste it down. You're like, what's not to like, though? It was the idea was fresh. The filmmakers

who's good, talent in there was like, what was not to like? It happens sometimes, man. It's kind of like the 2012, 2013 Lakers, man. You get all that talent together.

You put them all in the room and sometimes you just don't, just don't work. The parasite year, a lot of people thought it was going to be 1917. Remember that?

Oh, yeah. It was, yeah. That was the last movie I saw before they sent us all home for the cooties. Yeah. So I leave the ringer. I go, I'm like, oh, they sent us home for a week. Great. I'm going to go watch 917.

It's a great movie. All the British people are in there. Is that the same year? 2020. It was like, it was like, what, March 11th, March 10th? Oh, no, that I remember. I remember COVID in. I remember that day, yeah.

Mine was an alcoholic Ben Affleck basketball. Oh, that's a good movie. No, it's a great movie. If I knew that was going to be my last movie for a while, I would have picked movies on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have made a different choice. I think I had Elizabeth Moss's Invisible Man.

Last award of the day. We made great choices all around. Best show, once again, we already know, before we even run through the nominees that this is going to be Andor. Sinners and Andor have basically swept the verses. Appropriate, a great reflection of the best that we got last year. But let's see.

If anyone can challenge Andor, they can't. But let's see. Who are the nominees? Can you get rid? There's just no way. We're sure there in a friend. Alien Earth. Very special.

Welcome to the rebellion. Andor. Are there any questions you might have for us, Carol? I guess to start with, what the? And severance. Okay, I'm glad Severance made it in. Severance deserves to be here. Oh, yeah.

The Versi's nominees. Obviously, this is going to be Andor. Does anyone want to make the case? for either one of the other Final Four or another show that wasn't here. Can I make the case against all of these shows in the sense of... You're gonna make the case against Andor here at the end of the mercies.

Here's the thing. We used to be a proper country. Jomey doesn't believe in a rebellion. Right. No, no, no. He's like, why don't you just conform? Not more than ever. We used to make television shows.

I didn't even know how the 22 episodes of all that. We used to make a TV show and be like, hey, same time next year, guys. Let's do it. And now they're like, cool. They gave Plyubas. They gave Vinceigilian two seasons, off their bat. Say, yeah, two seasons to make this show. You said, guys, you're going to get season two when I feel like it.

I can't, I can't abide by that. I can't do it. That's my mind my can't do it. Severance, same thing. I think if I was president of Hollywood, you get two years max. It definitely takes too long to make severance. No one is arguing against that. Jomey is swinging back already.

They paid the Night of the Seven Kingdoms. And I love it. I'm glad that the tide has turned. Three of our great television writers. But no more. All of equal quality and impact. No more. Enough is enough.

You're my favorite, funniest person. Enough is enough. What if Terrible Season 2 is good? It could be. It could be. There's a great chance it could be. I love Severance. If it don't come back within two years ago.

You're her actual. You're her favorite. She's just making me feel good by saying it. It's really that we all love each other. Oh, that's true. You don't be honest. Fan, you know. If a show don't come back within two years, they should cancel it.

That's my rule. Agreed. Cancel it. Cancel it. If the show drop me, if the show shotgun. If it drop in 2022 and it's off by 2024, the show should stop in sister.

You know what? You know what? I agree. You know what I think, though? I think when there was less stuff, this was easier. True. I think with like now,

you just, you're getting hit with so much stuff. There's so many must watches. I think when there was less stuff, it was easier to maintain it. Like the Sopranos took a year off or something like that. But now, like, in the time that your show is gone,

Jesus, there are so many shows. that are just coming out and stealing all your attention. Seven episodes every three years. I have to Joe, the world's foremost. I've seen two episodes. Listen, I think Vince was being,

was being a little funny when he said, like, you'll get this one ever, though it'll probably won't be. I think it's 2027 is when we're going to get more pluribus, which isn't bad. It's two years, right? I think it's really going to hurt that show.

But severance. Yeah. That has to do with behind the scenes, like, absolute chaos. So, you know. I think the longer the weight is for Plyurbus, I think it's going to hurt the show. I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. This is going to be Andor twice, but let's show. Andor. It can be anything. It could be. It could be F1. Nice. Wow.

Well, wait, before you open that. Do you think your friend got really tired of writing the same thing over and over and over again? No. We should compare the calligraphy across the envelopes. Like, when does Andor start getting degraded? seasons. Yeah, no. The best show.

Hmm. Mm. Mm. Guys, it's Andor twice. Oh. The Ring of Verse and the fans voted for Andor. One of the best television seasons and television shows that we have ever seen. Yes.

The best Star Wars. Oh, let me ask you guys a question. Okay. Since we dick rod and Andor. Let me. People voted on this. I know. What was the worst part of this Andor season?

When it ended? there we go the way they I would have taken one a week yeah yes as opposed to the three matches to be able to savor it yeah

that early episode with the kids when when Cassie was lost was a little I was like that was my least favorite that wasn't super amazing that wasn't in the first season it came back

no that was in the second season oh right right right literally the first arc oh right right sorry I was thinking of his origin can ask you guys a question if they released and or it's hot take take hot

if they released and or one a week with the season that hit the same. Why wouldn't it? I mean, there really is that three-batch arc that really works. Because I think when you release them in these arcs, you, to me at least, I felt like it gave the story more grandiosity. So you feel like you're watching a Star Wars movie every week.

Even how it was structured with the one key moment in each year, yeah. Of all the shows that drop in those many binges, like it has the most reason to. Yeah. I think, because I think the beginning of the first season also was like a slightly slow start. So I wouldn't mind like that hybrid, which you hate, but like, despise. Yeah, but like start with a three-eper, if you start with a three-episode drop and then do one a week from there. Don't change. You know what I mean?

The Amazon thing that they do. The Paradise model, really. Yeah. It's a voice. Melonry hates it. Yeah. I don't like it easily. Give me a banjure.

Give me weekly. Don't give me two to three episodes so that I think I can just experience the entire show and then make me go weekly for five weeks. That's deranged. It's demented. But I think they should have done it for him. Dropping two or three off bat is cheating to me. I'm just like either make a really good pilot or just to your point, just give me the whole. It's a little cynical thinking that you would bail after one episode.

So get three and then really get it. Two, I think sometimes is acceptable because like I don't think you remember what it was those first and or episodes of season. Yeah. People are like, no. No. No. Like seriously.

Like, I say this because if we're watching Andor and we're watching that episode with the kids, I'm like, I know that there's something else coming so I don't leave deflated. It takes the energy through a little bit more. I was just wondering what you guys thought. But I think like the Gorman arc, like I could have taken a week between. Yeah, for sure.

Because that was intense. I mean, it was heavy. We didn't talk about this for Best Line, but like when Cassian and Cyril see each other. She did. Who are you? I tried. But it can't beat that other.

It can't. If we're going to have an end of nominee, it would be that one. I think if we had a best moment category. That's who are you, yeah. No, that's why we do that episode every year and Hustler. And that was on that list.

And that was number one. Anything else? Any other thoughts? Those are our category. Should we run through? Should we refresh on what the winners were? How many times do you want to say and or are in a row? Okay, best visuals.

Fantastic 4-1. For the black hole chase scene. Best line? Andor won. They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. Best character, Clea and Smoke and Stack one. We had a split outcome among the Ringervverse panel and then the Fans, saddest moment, same thing as split.

Gorman Massker from Andor and Joel's death. Spoilers from Last of Us. Best music, I lied to you from sinners won both votes. Upset. Beating Golden. Best new character. Dr. Ian Kelson from 28 years later, and I fall jockey.

I forgot about that already. Just a great moment in the history of the verses that I fall jockey won an award. Best director, Ryan Coogler. First sinners won both votes. Best showrunner, Tony Gilroy, Ander won best, one both votes. Best movie performance. Michael B. Jordan, won both votes.

Best show performance. Diego Luna won both votes. Best movie. Sinners won both votes. And best show, and or won both votes. Wow. The people are spoken. What a year.

What a year for Andor. Incredible. And pluribus. Also there. And the eyeball docket. What a year for the verces? What are you for the verces? Let's thank all of the people

who worked so incredibly hard. Yes. Yes. What an incredible effort from the team. The alveloves, the champagne, the visual. The trophies. Amazing. Thank you to the entire ringer-verse panel here of the esteemed voters and experts.

Wonderful. The fans, of course. Thank you for voting in advance so that we could incorporate your feedback into this award show. Alea. Oh, yeah. Absolute legend. Carlos. Yes.

Bigelos. Legend. Jamie. John Richter, Carly. Yes. Shout out Carly. Neil, Craig Gaines, Helena, Jack McCluskey. Yeah, copy, yes.

Let's go, copy team. Jacob, Kevin, C.T. and Chris Waller's. Amazing. Christopher Thomas. Jomi. I was also involved. Joe me on social. Steph Sanchez.

Follow House of our pod and the Midnight Boys pod. Okay, we didn't say that. Yeah. I was ex-exploving their ankles. Do that. I see the comments. Jombi Java is saved. No, it's not.

I got a lot of work to do. Please follow. House of our pod. The Midnight Boys Pod. And guys, Arjuna wrote the thank yous. Didn't put himself. Come on. Humble.

Arjuna! Yeah. Thank you, Arjuna. For creative directing and EP this extravaganza. For real. I will say, yo, shout to Arjuna. I'm so sorry.

He's like, can you please vote? I'm like, damn, my bad. So Arjuna, you really deserve big Thanks. He said that he is keeping a living document for the next Verses, like writing down candidates in real time so that we, in theory, don't hit the moment that we always say where we're like, what happened last year?

Yeah. We'll see how it goes. Clever boy. Charles? Yo. Care to take us out? Do it. The Verses are over.

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