House of R - The Space Movie Draft

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Mal and Jo are joined by Rob Mahoney and Chris Ryan for the Space Movie Draft! They’ll be drafting space saviors, visual splendor, space horror, first contact, space connections, and a wild card! (00:00) Intro(04:50) Opening Snapshot(26:09) Jo's no. 1 pick(28:59) Chris's no. 1 pick(33:13) Mal's no. 1 pick(37:18) Rob's no. 1 pick(39:54) Rob's no. 2 pick(41:26) Mal's no. 2 pick(43:47) Chris's no. 2 pick(47:34) Jo's no. 2 pick(49:14) Jo's no. 3 pick(53:41) Chris's no. 3 pick(55:50) Mal's no. 3 pick(58:03) Rob's no. 3 pick(59:33) Rob's no. 4 pick(01:01:28) Mal's no. 4 pick(01:04:27) Chris's no. 4 pick(01:08:55) Jo's no. 4 pick(01:10:11) Jo's no. 5 pick(01:13:27) Chris's no. 5 pick(01:16:16) Mal's no. 5 pick(01:17:38) Rob's no. 5 pick(01:18:35) Rob's no. 6 pick(01:21:07) Mal's no. 6 pick(01:22:13) Chris's no. 6 pick(01:25:26) Jo's no. 6 pick(01:27:54) Honorable mentionsHosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory RubinGuests: Rob Mahoney and Chris RyanProducers: Carlos Chiriboga, Chris Thomas, Jacob Cornett, Chris Wohlers, Kevin Cureghian, and Neil FranciscoSocial: Jomi AdeniranAdditional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Greetings. And welcome to Halsevar, a Ringerverse podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. I'm Mallory Rubin. Joining me today, as always. Are you trying to sound like howl? Don't spoil or tip any pics. Even though in space, no one can hear you pod. It's Joanna Robinson, and we have two special guests with us today because we're doing a draft.

It's a space movie's draft. We'll explain all of that shortly. they've been listening for us on the amateur radios in their bedrooms since they were kids, Chris Ryan and Robert Mahoney, Robert. Do people call you Robert? They do now. Christopher? Chris.

Welcome. Rob and I wanted to distinguish each other by not dressing alike today. We did. Yeah, this has happened. I don't know. This was all an accident. And yet I think it speaks well to how inclined and well positioned we are to function as a unit aboard the vessel of this podcast. Yeah. Project Hail Mary is mere days away. We are all incredibly excited in anticipating this movie,

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going to have a natty bow, programming reminders. Talk about some pods. You did ask me today, how much coffee have I had? Just a normal amount. Are you going to let anyone else talk today? Tell us what's coming on the watch. I think we're going to have Patrick J. Adams from the Madison, a.k.a. also from suits. So he's coming.

That's great. Yeah, and that's it. That's the last episode of the podcast. Ever. What was that reaction from you, Joe? What was that? I can't talk about it on Mike. I'll tell you later.

Wow. Wow. Well, that's exciting. It's like Brian Windhorstie where she's, you know, it's just like, everybody knows about this, but I can't talk about it. Great stuff. All right. Now we need to finish three minutes earlier than we were planning to so that we can hear this story. Anything that you'd like to tease about group chat.

It continues apace. Great. Watch us on Netflix. The NBA is a league that exists. People are scoring points. People are doing stuff. Yeah. It's a great time to be a basketball fan.

Okay. Prestige. What's cooking? Prestige. Rob's getting really into love story. So we're going to go back to check in with JFK Jr. He has promised. I stand with Darrell Hill.

I've not seen a second at that show. I've seen that story on Instagram, though. Does the show stay with Daryl Hannah? I don't think it does. What about here on the House of R and here in the wider ringer verse? Galaxy. I was going to say, world, but galaxy. We're talking about space today.

We're doing the Verses. We're doing the annual Verses. We've done, like, a lot of these. I think we've been doing the Verses for five years. And we will be teaming up with the Midnight Boys. Pew, Pew, Pew on Friday. For this year's Verses, the 2026 Verses, where we're talking about things that came out in 2025.

But guess what? There's a twist this year. It's Friday the 13th. That's one of the twists. And the other is that Arjuna has cooked up an entire new run of show. The categories and the nominees are already out there. And you can vote on them and then we will reveal. Survivor 50 nod.

In the hands of the fans. Should we just pot about Survivor? Yes. What are you talking about? Maybe tomorrow because there will be a new. Are you not excited about Survivor season 50? Mallory and I are in a Survivor pool together. I apologize.

You're missing out. Okay, see, now we're talking. Now I'm in. I haven't started that yet. I'm speaking my language. I am excited. Vote. Go to the ringer.com

slash versees 2026, I believe. You can also vote on Instagram, on YouTube, on X, et cetera, and you can vote until 9 a.m. Pacific on Friday. And then we will reveal the winners, our winners, your winners, et cetera. Great stuff. Next Tuesday, space movies month continues.

The Martian, Dobbin. Amanda Dobbins. Great stuff. Dating to join us. in Sycamore Studios. We're talking about Matt Damon. We're talking about growing potatoes and your own shit.

It's going to be just magical. And then next week, next Friday, we will be diving deep into Project Hail Mary and we'll be chatting with Andy Weir. And we can say that with confidence because it's already happened.

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All right. We're going to explain the categories and the eligibility criteria shortly. Let's just open with how we all feel about space. You can talk about space in general, where you would telescope kid, et cetera, or you can talk about space movies. Ideally, you would definitely talk about space movies. Without tipping your picks or your strategy, why do you love space cinema? What is it about space films? that appeal to you.

Chris, let's start with you. All right. On a strictly visual level, I just think it's cool. I think having the black backdrop of the starry sky. I think having the aesthetic that's developed over the last 50 years of our concept of space travel, both in the present and in the future,

is just like an incredibly pleasing interior design choice. And I think that there's something spiritual about space movies because most of them are about confronting something, whether it's about confronting the idea of whether we're alone in the world or confronting what is the scariest possible thing that could happen to a human being. And it's about the search for something bigger than yourself. How would you differentiate sea movies and space movies? Oh, great question.

The knowable and the unknowable. And I know that there's probably more unknown sea. Yeah. Yeah. Be careful. Okay. Definitely, definitely not. Technically not, but the anglerfish will come for you.

But in a weird way, don't we know a lot about space? And we're just like, but with the sea, they're just like, and then I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, you get to a certain depth. And if it's like, who can say? Maybe it feels like that. But in space, we have telescopes and we're like, yeah, it's definitely something like this, right? Yeah.

That last bit I read suggested that was the case. Okay. Who's Twitter were you looking at? Space, we got it. No, but it was like, it was like, that's mapable, right? To the extent we got it They are still like We just don't even know

After like 50 50 ton feet It's just like who can say Right Underneath the water There could be Kaiju down there I didn't have to think Is Pacific Ramah Space movie?

It's an inner space movie You know Things emerging from the deep There's a lot of stuff getting shot Into space and later coming up And we can't say whether or not For sure that's in space movie Until you guys have to rule on that

You're right That's exactly right We'll see if that becomes an issue today Okay You love the sea You love space Sure They're both beautiful.

Is it a space dope? Yeah. Or does that belong to the space? Sometimes it's not. Yeah. Distinctly not chill. Okay. But it is chilly.

Yeah. I'm going to say something. Okay. I think if you can get over the initial fears of going into space. Yeah. Everything that happens up there is pretty neat. Everything. I wouldn't say cool.

I wouldn't say like fun. We have a space horror category. Yeah. Yeah. But you could have an underwater horror category if we were doing underwater movies. You know what I mean? You can have a podcasting horror category. Yeah.

Yeah, there's no sharks in space. Things can go wrong everywhere that we know of. Well, let's add this as everyone's explaining their relationship to space and space movies. Would you want to go to space? Yes. You answered that really quickly. Yeah. Uncomplicated.

In fact, I think I'm actually... I'm a hard note on that. I'd be scared. Due to a series of life choices, I think I'm a good candidate. Okay. Do you want to, like, workshop that with us? A lay breaking commitment to fitness in middle age. Sure.

No children. So if it's a 60-year trip, that's not a big deal. How are you with G's? I don't know. I don't really love them, but I could train. And I think I'd be a good first impression for an extraterrestrial life form. I think we all agree on that. You really agree.

You're really my number one choice for Earth ambassador. You can play them Beethoven if you want, but how about me being like, who are your guys? Let's watch. You're right. There's no better person to recommend our species. I really agree. Thanks. Completely.

Damn. As opposed to Rob Mahoney. No. I'm not going into space. I'm not being an ambassador for Jack. shit. You're scared. You want a more predictable circumstance for your life. Our cars are falling apart. Our computers are falling apart. Why am I to believe that a spacecraft is not going to fail me in the way that I've seen enough of these movies? They always fail you.

Okay. But what do you like about watching the movies? Is it that? Is it watching other people in peril? I like the other people existing in peril. And as far as like, you know, as a native Texan, any proximity to Houston, like you are rocket-pilled from the jump. Like we were doing like overnight sleepovers at the Space Museum. It's like a whole thing. It's a whole culture. Was there any beef with Cape Canaveral? No, it's not existing because honestly we're too big for it. You don't even think about them.

We don't think about them. Wow. Look, where they land, not our business. It's like SEC just means more. That's what I'm saying. It's just not a concern. Are you allowed to claim Houston if you're a Dallas person? Well, this is an interesting parallel because I would say Dallas and Houston have a similar

we don't think about them relationship very much. So, you know, I'm going to choose to make sense. Do you want to have it both ways here? Do you wish it was Dallas, we have a problem? No, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work that way. It's the Fort Worth Metroplex? We have a problem.

The larger DFW problems are had. Well, I mean, I love a space movie for the problems. I love a space movie for the staring into the void and coming up on the other side with some greater knowledge of yourself. And also just like Star Wars was the first movie that rewired my brain. Like made me want to watch more movies, especially in like a live action non-animated sense. And in my extended family, coming of age to the point where you can watch an alien movie is like your bar mitzvah.

That's like a rite of passage. So I can just like mark the time of my life by mostly space movies, to be honest, and I feel great about it. Did your older brother hold it over you that he got to watch alien before you? No, it's just like it's happening in the other room and we're going to watch aliens now and you need to leave. Oh. And so then once you're old enough to stay in the room, your life is never the same. In my house, they just had me watch movies that I was way too young to watch. You were watching that at like four.

That was very tough. You were being sent off to Europe in middle school. High school? That's a callback to something you shared on a recent class. I did say it into a microphone. Incredible. Joanna. Your relationship to space cinema.

Space is dope. Space is dope. Yeah, I love that we're doing Space Month. This has been really fun to cover Interstellar. We're doing The Martian, Project Hail Mary, like enjoying all of that. And then the rewatching and first time watching that I did for this draft, like I don't think I needed to. There's so many movies that I just know by heart that are eligible today. But there were just a few that I had never seen and I took it as an excuse to

watch them. And I just had a great weekend. And then some you just wanted to revisit for the share pleasure of it like Thor the Dark World. And some of them I texted you saying, I stopped this early as self-care. You did indeed. You did indeed. And I know what that movie is and you don't. That's okay. I think we're all going to have different flavors, you know? It's going to be a little bit of like the fun pack you get of little cereal boxes. What did you go for in there? Captain Crunch. Yeah.

Crunch berries. It's Coco Crispy's. Frosted mini weeds, y'all. Come on. Frosted miniweets is a personal favorite as well. Every now and then a frosted flake. Care package from an extended family member in the Florida area who sent me a Bucky's care package. Oh.

First of all. Beaver nugs. Whoa. Beaver nugs. And that was just basically like a bag of Captain Crunch. Yeah. Superpowered. Also, beaver nugs never aspire.

This is the thing. If you needed a food to take into space, Beaver Nuggets would be very viable. That would be actually my code name in space. Beaver Nuss? I bet. I bet. Me and Ricanhawk.

I also love space movies. Yeah, Mallurban. How do you feel about space? Just think space is cool. I used to like to look up at the stars and think about it. Think about how big it was, is how vast it is, you know? And I love space movies. I love how many jazz space movies.

Space movies, it's a genre, but there are so many genres inside that. I think that's part of what's fun about an exercise like this draft today. Like, I think you're saying, like, you can go in so many different directions. I think genuinely, the depth of the field is so substantial that, like, even if somebody takes something you were dying to have it, it doesn't matter. Like, there are so many movies we all love that we could take across the categories tonight. I'm sure not a space cope about the picks that you're not going to be able to make. You know, I'm always bracing. I'm not starting any problems.

This is energy. I know. I'm aware. Somewhere along the way, I became... Well, I don't want to say I became the mellow one, because that's a lie, but I became the less cruel one, I think. I wouldn't have ever been cruel to you. Well, this is the thing is that this is not your typical draft that you guys have set out.

I think that there's a lot of conviviality going into it, but... What's going to happen when we start? There's like the categories... Much like a mission to space. The categories are open to interpretation. I think so. And I think also what defines a space movie is like a question that the... the Elena Kagan's and Samuel Alito's are going to be thinking about for decades.

Indeed. Indeed. Well, we'll explain that in a moment. But I think that's also one thing I like about space movies. Sometimes you go to space. Sometimes the space comes to you. It's true. You can calibrate your relationship to space.

I think inner space counts. I think we're on a rock hurtling through space. So anything that's in Earth's on concern. Literally the Dennis Quaid vehicle inner space. I will not be. Okay. First round pick for Rob Mahoney. We can learn about ourselves. Yeah. We can watch something visually astonishing. The technological advancements. It's great. You know what? A funny thing about space movies is I think that for the purposes of like how big of a cast they need. Yeah. You know, like they can shoot it a lot on soundstages, the interiors. The design is often iterative. So it's like we're still building off of like what was we saw in the Nostromo. They're still using as kind of like a baseline for what they make space stations look like or spaceships. you can do them affordably.

Like, if you're not doing a ton of outdoor outside, like, the ship stuff, you can do high life or whatever. And it can be kind of like on the more. So you get a lot of different flavors, some great otors up there, shooting the stars. So I can't wait to do this. So many of our great filmmakers are at one point, like, I want to make a space movie or maybe I want to make three or four space movies.

Like there's obviously something that draws. And I think a lot of what we're all saying is part of the reason why. There's the technical and, like, craft aspect. also the fact that you can explore something very internal, like what is this journey for each individual character, but also it can be about forging relationships, connections, or having terrifying, war-inducing experiences with another species, another type of being? Is the crew coming together and uniting? Is it a friendship and found family story? Are people tearing each other apart because they've lost their own minds? They don't trust each other. You can do anything

you want in a space movie. So that combination of like the connective tissue, whether it's the interior of a spaceship like you're saying or some other aspect, but then the capacity to do whatever you want inside of it. And so, like, I love that you can have something that's clearly an homage and part of a coaching tree, but then feels like entirely its own thing as well. So, this is great. Well, there is, like, an irresistible.

So not to spoil our chat with Andy Weir, but I did ask him about, like, space movie tropes. I don't think he gave, like, a really, he didn't love that question, I think. But I will say that I'm a really good interviewer. But, like, there are certain shots that you can just feel directors like itching to be like, I want to do my version of this. Yes.

You know. Absolutely. It's like all the bloggers on the internet. They read the C is Dope and they're like. And now none of them have jobs. I wanted to try to figure out of this. We said bloggers and I was like, let's blow the dust off of that word. We all tried to write the C is Dope and it turned out.

You can draw a straight line from the C is dope to Luke Cornett ending Magic City Night for the Atlanta Hawks. All right. Let's explain how the draft is going to function. So there are four of us. You can tell. You can hear us. You can see us. It's a four-person draft.

It's going to be a snake draft. Carlos is going to set the order in real time. We don't know the order that we're picking, and we're about to find out. But let's explain first the categories and the eligibility. And then let's remember to have Carlos set the order. Six categories. So we will be selecting 24 total films.

That's like a drop in the bucket for space movies. There are a lot of space movies. By a bucket, you mean all of outer space. Yeah. That is one pinprick of light in the great abyss. All right, here are the categories. Space horror. Now, that can be an actual horror movie,

but it does not have to be. It can be horror in another form. It can be something spooky, something scary, something that you find destabilizing unsettling, room to play in that category. So if I found Kevin Spacey in K-Pax eating a banana with the peal on to be unsettling. But he's just an alien.

But that's from space. As is always the case, you're welcome to push the limits of a category and then find out in real time. These two seem to be really into like, if an alien's in it, it's a space movie. Yeah, I'm kind of anti that. I'm kind of anti that as well. Tough shit.

It was literally in the rules as prescribed. It was. Circulated days ago. Yeah. Space, but this is a key element of the criteria, which we'll get to. I just think it would be kind of lame if, I think if you draft like one of those, but if your whole thing is like, and then an alien came here. But individual strategy.

Like, if you want to do six and the reasons and the voters can reject it. Rob Mahoney was like, are we all in space all the time. Are we not? Oh, so kicking and screaming by Noah Bob. Yeah. Yeah. Class experience. I think we should say that space, an alien or otherwise a ship, it can't be incidental.

It can't just be there to count as a space movie. But if it's a primary propulsive engine of the plot. Is it an alien ever incidental in the plot? Except by the way, K-Pax is here. Then it's a space movie. I think that's just like part of each strategy. If you think the voters are rejected that time. Honestly.

Sounds like we're going to have a 50-50 tie here. Sounds like half of us read the instructions. I don't know what to say. Okay, so that's space horror. Our next category is space connections. Connections in any form. So this is the one that I would say is most directly inspired by Project Tailmeria as the hook for this draft. Like space friendship can be a reason that you pick something.

A movie where the crew on a ship is very central to the story. Space family, space romance, this can be inter or intra-species. If the connection is core to the text, you can select it as a space connection story. space saviors is our next category. Now this can be space Messiah, like chosen one. This can also be we're on a mission. We have a task and it's important. So another kind of broad category that you can play with is you see fit.

First contact. This is the one I think probably clearly where we're going to have the most. This is like a landbound film and is it eligible. And I think definitely it should be. Space Invader should be part of it. But it doesn't have to be the contact. can happen in space, if you want. Up to you.

Visual splendor is our next category. Self-explanatory. As we've all said, space movies just look fucking great. If you think one looks particularly great, if it's influential, whatever, pick it there. And then Wildcard, which, as always, is a film that could have gone into any of the other categories, or, frankly, wouldn't have fit in any of those categories. And you want to pick it because you love it. Wildcard can be anything you're watching. Yeah.

In space. Exactly. My wildcard list is very deep. Technically pretty close to the moon. I would say two deep minutes. So, space horror, space connection, space saviors, first contact, visual splendor, wildcard. Eligibility. Project Helmerie, maybe the hook, but it is not eligible to be selected today because only two of the four of us have seen it.

It's okay if you guys want to think. And I think more importantly, the listeners have not seen it. The listeners. Yeah. What's going on with you today? You're going to be the first one to lose it on the ship. I'm going to look around. I'm just trying to add ad libs, you know?

Like I'm just saying like, I haven't seen Project Tailmerry. Neither of all the people I'm going to vote for me. It's great. It's great. You can't pick it today. You're madden of people. He really is. Films for many year are eligible.

Cool. Pick an old one, pick and do one, do whatever the fuck you want. Animated films are eligible. Great news. Doesn't matter. Great news for you. Honestly, there's fewer of them than I would have thought. There are some.

But yes. You can pick an animated film. I don't think that Chris Ryan will be doing that, but if anyone else wants to, they can. Yeah. More than one film, this is an important one, from a given franchise, can be selected. We're not doing any fantasy

like someone picks something in the entire fucking world around and is eliminated from consideration. This is a celebration. If more than one person wants to pick a Star Trek movie, they can. If you want to pick Rebel Moon Part 1 and then you want to pick Rebel Moon Part 2,

classic Snyder Proves right here. Can the same voter pick more than one movie from a franchise? You can. I think like everything else, that's more of a strategy thing. Do you think that that would be rewarded in the voting? Or do you think that people would say you're going a little, you're leaning in a little bit to like this one particular area? It's up to you.

It's up to you. You definitely can. Okay. You definitely can. Land-based movies are eligible. And as Rob noted, this has been a bullet point in this document for days. I read the document. Days.

And you read it before they did. I just don't. I just don't necessarily. Holy. I just don't want it to be like the majority of what we talk about. Sure. I don't think it will be. I think it'll come up here and there, but not that often.

Yeah, I think for first contact. And it sounds like only maybe from two of us. We will be exploiting the rules. But what if this is a mind fuck? And they're trying to trick us into thinking that they're not going for those movies. I believe it. Completely. Is that the energy that's coming from the time of the interview?

I really. No, not at all. I told you to beforehand. There are some drafts. I've done where there are obvious first picks, where you're playing to the crowd, where you're trying to get populist votes. This is hashtag ball knower speaking. Yeah.

I'm not really interested in what you guys think is a good space movie. I know what are good space movies. Hell yeah. There you go. I think that I'm picking the ones that I like. That's Catherine Beaver Nuggets talking right there. Are you guys going like, I just like these things? These are things I like and I want to take them in the order I want to.

That's what I ended doing in the hype draft and I actually like miserably lost, I'm pretty sure, but also just felt really good about it. You had a great experience. You celebrated the things you love. Okay. Interesting. Do you think there's such a thing as like a real, I said hipster pick earlier. You got mad at me. You said ball nowhere, the term you just used.

Do you think like with space movies, there are a lot of like opportunities here to go real hipster ball and over early? I want a hundred percent deal. I do too. I think that'll happen a lot here. I think people are like, it's actually this. I agree. Like round one, you think? I can't wait to hear it.

Do you guys think there is a consensus top pick or not? I actually think there's a difference between hipster and balnoeower, right? Sure. But walk us through it. What's the difference? Hipster is like, it's a little niche, but it's this. I don't know if you guys have seen it's not quite out of 4K. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's this.

If you know, you know, you know, it's like, I've basically been to space. Yeah. And this is basically what it's like. And that is how you will be drafted into that. I can't give you a better example without actually spoiling. Yeah, yeah. This explains why you think space is so knowable, you know? You're like, no mysteries out there.

I've basically been because I've watched so much space cinema. I've seen Ryan Reynolds's life. Exactly. Last kind of rule or thing to keep in mind is just that, as is always the case with these drafts, a movie could be selected in a number of these categories. There's going to be a lot of category bleed, so that's just sort of part of the fun as you're crafting your draft squad here. I definitely want to pick this movie, which category do I want to pick it in? Is positional scarcity in a given category a factor in how you're drafting or no?

Are you just saying this is the movie I want? I'm taking it. Categories, be damned. Those are the categories and those are the rules. Any questions? None whatsoever. So you guys don't think there's a consensus number one. Again, without saying what it would be.

I think there are two depending on generational lines. I feel like there are, I am so curious to see if this winds up being true or not, but I feel like these are the top two picks and then from there you can go 50 ways. But I don't know. We'll find out. This is going to be very interesting. Yeah. Let's find out the order.

Should we set the order? I just like the last draft I did, which was ever on the big pick, I was like, there's definitely a number one and that I drafted it never went over at the table's like, I wouldn't have picked that. So I don't really want to put my flag anywhere. was a great picture. Is that Oscar Snopes? Yeah, that was in Matt Max.

She took Fury Road. Oh, that was awesome. Great movie. Yeah. And Ron Mahoney was like, well, the good thing, Joanna, is that you did something that was very you. Is that not a compliment? That's insulting. Exactly right.

The bad babies will be able to vote on our squads on all of the various ringerverse social media platforms in the Spotify episode post, etc. Okay. Carlos, will you please reveal the draft order? All right. So the order is Joanna with the first pick. CR with the second pick. Mowl picking three. Unfucking.

I knew this was going to. What did I say, all the chill left her body. I just, I didn't want the third pick, that's all. But maybe if we don't have the same ideas for the top two,

it won't matter. I really don't think there's going to be as much consensus. Maybe broadly, but individual picks, I find it hard to believe. I'm very, I just can't,

this is typical. I just said I don't, there's only one pick I don't want is the third one. Look at this beautiful board we have here. It's gorgeous. What is this? Roll that beautiful bean footage.

Stunnen. Okay. Let's fucking draft, ma'am. Let's do it. Joanna Robinson. In Visual Splendor, I'll be taking 2001 of Space Odyssey, Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece

that defined space movies for all of the directors who followed. You hear any director talk about what they were trying to achieve. They will mention 2001 of Space Odyssey. Nolan talks about it. A ton of me talks about Interstellar. I mean, actually, I'll not list a bunch of space movies.

We'll keep those as a surprise. But this is it. This is the template. It made us scared of red blinking lights. It made us scared of obelisks. It is unknowable in many ways, unlike space, which is pretty knowable. And I just love, you know, when I saw this as a teenager, I had been anticipating it for a really long time. I knew about it, but I hadn't seen it.

I saw it when I was like about 17, I think. And I was deeply confused by it. And then I read the book, and it didn't enlighten me. But then I just sort of lingers with you. And you think about it all the time. And so I'm a huge fan of this movie. I know, it's the real hipster pick. No one would pick this.

This is what I meant when I said there's a consensus number one, I assumed. There is. I think this is the right thing. Would everyone have taken this in number one? I would have, certainly. I would not, to be honest. Really? Generational.

Yeah. I think it is somewhat generational. I also like I like and admired this movie, but it's like... You think it's kind of overrated? I do it, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm not doing it. Yeah, Nirvana in 2001. Justically not doing that.

Do you prefer the space movie Kubrick made when he staged the moon landing? I mean, look, it's very vivid. In terms of visual splendor, you know, it's very compelling stuff. Yeah. I think some of it is that of like, I think there is an awe to 2001, but do I feel pulled to it in the way that I feel pulled to other side by it in space movies? I don't feel like emotionally, like, deepened. deeply emotionally connected to it.

You don't like the four-dimensional library of love? Well, that's something else. Oh, that's by that. That's a little bit. It's a baby in the air? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your child?

Space Vetus? Listen, I don't feel like this will not be a movie that makes me like weep with joy or sorrow, but it is just a movie that haunts you. Like a lot of Kuberk plays do. I think this is definitely the topic.

Can I ask one follow up question? Sorry for getting the wrong movie there. Do you think Hal would make a good podcaster? Fantastic. Absolutely. Well, it doesn't matter because he's going to be a podcast. He's got a plan. He does his prep.

He's got dry weight grade at gaslighting. Often been thinking about breaking out a howl and seeing how long it takes Andy to notice. Do it right now. Workshop it. He's not going to listen to this pod, so it'll still be fresh when you drop it on the watch. That's very interesting, Andy. Tell me more about how you feel about Rooster. I'm sorry, Mal, I can't do that.

The problem is the more you do it, the more you're feeding the machine that will replace. Yeah, of course. Exactly. But in the voice, I have. I can't bring myself to do it. All right. I know what Chris is going to pick. This is why I didn't want the best.

Yeah, so Visual Splendor, I'll take Interstellar, which is... Is that what I thought you were going to do? Generational divide, I think... Whoa. I always liked Interstellar, and I had an amazing first watch of it. And then a few years ago, I had a chance to be in London, and at the Prince Charles Cinema, they would do... I think it's weekly, but it might be monthly.

They do basically, like, they show Interstellar all day and night. and the line was around the block. Like they just show it. It's consecutive. It's like you can go see Interstellar at like two in the morning if you want after the pubs closed and stuff. One more reason to be in London. And the line was around the block and it was all people in their 20s. And I was like, oh, and the guys at the movie theater were like, oh, this is like the biggest movie for people under 30 in existence.

And I think I went back into it rewatching it knowing that it had had such a huge impact. As far as visual splendor, I think the only thing in its tier is 2001. There are 10 things in this movie that I think are among the coolest I've ever seen, much less than a space movie. The story maybe loses some oxygen in the last 30 minutes or so,

but I think up until that point when you're like, is this dude going to solve existence in this movie is pretty amazing. So I'm going to go with with that for visual splendor. The generation, like, when we had Van on to talk about Interstellar, like, I found that generational conversation so fascinating. And I, like, I would like to continue to think about why that generation, like, it's a great

movie. We got to get Tate on the line. I was telling Joe and Van when we did Interstellar a couple days ago that Tate, I have a vivid memory of Tate walking into the Grantland office and being like, this is the single best could be ever made. Like, speaking for a generation of young people at the time. There's also something like, I think it's worth remembering. like we just did a vote for one of the rewatchables movies this month and it was goodies versus nice guys and nice guys easily won, I think.

I am astonished by that. Well, I love the nice guys, but like people aren't watching Goonies, is your point? Or like there are people who are like 28 and they're like, Goody's is good, but Nice Guys is the movie I saw when I was 18 and thought it was like the most mind blowing thing ever because it was so funny. It's like I think we don't really like I know I don't always think about like the experiences people who were younger than me are having and how that would shape them the same way I was shaped. I think about that when we talk to people who like grew up with Marvel versus those of us who like watched Marvel as an adult. And they're just like they're like these are the heroes of my childhood. It's a different relationship entirely. But I was thinking generally about interstellar and like growing up with the threat of climate change or like what like what are the factors for that generation not just like how old you were when you.

watched it, but is there anything specific about that generation? Or is it continuing down the line or, like, gen Alpha and like, et cetera, onward really into interstellar. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, there's also, like, there are obviously movies that Interstellar draws from, but there are things in that movie that I don't think I've ever seen before. You know, like, especially the wave planet. I'm like...

The C is dope, Miller's Planet. The C is dope. The C-D-N space is. Yeah. There you go. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you picked this based on that. Any thoughts on Cooper's Carhart jacket? It's a successful.

Great fits. Great memes coming out of this one. You ever cried like that in your life? Just like the tear pouring down the cheek. No. If I ever heard the National Anthem at the Super Bowl and I was like standing on the sidelines. A little Siri Ani. I do think that's part of it though of like if you think you like sci-fi movies

and getting pulled into a distinctly hyper-emotional sci-fi movie for the first time. That is the radicalizing film bro experience, I think, for sure. And I think we also need to say one of the great large format movies of all time.

Like seeing Interstellar on IMAX is a one-of-one experience. If you have the opportunity to do it, I would do it. I'm up. I was feeling glum about having the third pick, but I'm not, because the thing that I thought was a surefire at two is still here.

And it's, I'm astonished. I'm taking alien. Good. What category? Space horror. And I'm relieved because space horror is the one I have the least confidence navigating as a category because I'm scared easily. So I'm really happy to be able to get my space horror pick early. I think for that reason, frankly, if I had at the top pick, I would have taken 2001 in space horror to be able to address. But I think it's like a great visual splendor pick, obviously. Space romance, the hell. The only reason I didn't use, and there are a number of different examples in some of.

of franchises, but Alien and Aliens, I assume, will both be taken. And this draft, we'll find out. But the only reason I didn't mention that in the intros because I thought there was a 0.1% chance someone wouldn't take Alien in the top two picks. If nobody mentioned it, then you walked in wearing that shirt, and I was like, well, there we fucking go. It's locked. You've got Jonesy on your shirt.

It's beautiful. So, yes, I am taking the 79 Alien, the first, which I think both alien and aliens are masterpieces. Alien is my favorite by just a, like a... Way to fucking go, man. One hair. I just, I think they're both incredible. I love it. Jonesy iconic.

Ridley Scott, more than one Ridley Scott movie will be selected today. I suspect. Quick follow up. Please. What's scary about aliens? I mean, the idea. So the xenomorph, well, for me, Jonesy, a cat being in peril, terrifying.

I knew that. It's a gisting. Exhaust tunnel being chased by a xenomorph. Genuously a like, something bursting out of your chest, yon. Chess burst are like down on the list and like the bottom tense. I think that the xenomorph is obviously scary in general and deployed to great effect across films. Like I find a number of the alien movies quite terrifying, but in a way that I enjoy because monster horror is more, as we've talked about and you've psychoanalyzed me many times. It's like where I can tolerate horror.

The idea of being trapped in a confined space with the thing that is trying to kill you and one by one by one. It's claiming everyone around you and you're like maybe it's going to rip my head off the xenomorph. Is it going to be a drop of goo that's alerting me to something? Is the acid blood going to melt the plank I'm standing on or a part of my body? Obviously we get into some very memorable airlock sucked into space stuff. Also terrifying. And just the idea of like stumbling upon the unknown and then realizing that your life is expiring and it's on you and you alone to figure it

because everyone else who might have helped you is fucking dead. But you've also got to save the cat. Something I love that Dan O'Bannon has talked about Alien is like, we made a haunted house movie. Yeah, right? Yeah. Or like a slasher in the house movie. And that's like thinking about a spaceship as an opportunity.

And there's a number of films where they deploy that, but like none more famously than alien. But like the spaceship as this, where can you go? Yeah. Yeah. And like the log line. It's just the most perfect in the history of cinema in space. No one can hear you scream, which captures that so perfectly. like what is inside with you, but also there's no help coming.

Yes. Right? It is, you're in the fucking void in the vacuum of space. And so, like, that is terrifying. It's just a masterpiece. And I love it. I mean, the Zeno is probably the best designed creature in film history. And I'm really glad you brought up, like, the acid for blood to me is like, that's, that's

the piece. Because it's like, if you, in theory, if you are well armed enough and brave enough and cunning enough, it's like, okay, maybe you could get a jump on a Zenomorph. But even if you do, you're going to get covered in its assesars. blood. Sure. It's just like a perfect and especially in space

where even if it gets on the wall. Were you being Romulus guy when the acid blood is like I really like I really like dodged. That was so clearly

like this dude's been thinking about alien his whole life and it's like wouldn't it be sick if? He walked in and he was like I really have a story but if acid one

zero G it was very good. Sold. You have two picks Rob Mahoney and you have like 50 movies you can picture.

There's a lot. Jeez. I mean, even the possibility that Alien was dangling there was very tempting to me, so I'm bummed that it's taken off the board. I'm going to start with Visual Splendor, though, and I'm going to take Star Wars a new hope, actually, in Visual Splendor. Interesting. I don't think there is a scene in the history of movies

that has had a more profound effect on me as a person than Luke looking out in the binary sunset. Honestly, same. I think it is a call to adventure I can feel on a molecular level. I think it is, and I say this fully aware of how insane this is a thing to say, but of all the things John Williams has ever done,

I think that particular swell of score might be the absolute pinnacle of it. And so I'm starting with that visual splendor and a new hope. But by picking a new hope, you also get the trench run.

You also get the canteen. You get all of these aspects of like, awe that are coming back and back and back and back. The jump into hyperspace fucking lightsabers for the first time. I will take the splendor

of all of that stuff against the best that space movies have to offer. Fucking lightsabers, man. Pretty good. So in 1960s, movie and two 1970s movies. This is interesting.

And then just Chris holding it down for the year. Do you think, Jen Z, Chris? Without tipping any other movies in the Star Wars franchise. Do you think that Star Wars A New Hope is the most visually splendid? I think it's one of those

that you have to tip your cap to the initiation of the ideas. OG. Right. I think even some of the more recent movies have amazing visual displays. I think they've, like, certain filmmakers have figured I really had to crack the code on what to do with those visual stylings.

No, that's pod racing. But pod racing is kind of dope. We need to reclaim pod racing, honestly. If someone's like, pick one 11-minute movie seem to watch right now. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. Why not?

I think the answer to that is definitely no, but I think you're making a well-stated and valid case that, like, how influential and revolutionary it was. I think picking, like, the binary sunset as, like, this visual marker. I get goosebumps like thinking about it. So if I wasn't picking it

like what am I doing in this draft? My second pick I honestly have no idea what to do. I guess can I get some guidance on first contact as a category? Yep. One of my favorite things

about alien movies is that it's almost always somebody's first contact with the alien with the xenomorphs. Could I pick aliens as first contact? Oh, you son of a bitch. I don't think so. No?

Definitely not. Even I say no to that. Humans have had contact with that species already. Just because Whalen Utani is obscuring that fact. But if every human being that came in contact is dead? But Ripley has had a contact with them. Yeah, Ripley is being sent back. In cry of sleep.

In that case, I will take aliens in space connections. I think for a variety of reasons. One, to me, the reason aliens is so sick is like the colonial Marines vibe in aliens is pitch-perfect. I think the triangulation specifically of, not just like Ripley is a force of nature on her own, but like Hicks Hudson Vasquez is a perfect combination of attributes. And so I could watch a whole movie

that's just all of these people in the mess busting each other's balls and then we get to go fight aliens on top of it. Plus you've always said that Burke is really like your film's old. I try to channel his energy. Really was best for Spotify as a company. Yay! Interesting.

I like that you picked aliens in connections and it was Hudson and Hicks and not Newt and Ripley. That's really cool. Now, Ripley and Jonesy. Sure. Valid. Noot. Not necessarily it.

Does the fact that Hicks and Newt are just like unceremoniously killed off in the next movie really sort of destroyed the enduring? That's just fincher, maybe. Not my problem. Not my problem. Got finched. But also, is there a more meaningful adversarial relationship in sci-fi than Ripley and the queen get away from her, you bitch?

It's true. I'm just saying there's connections of many kinds. in aliens beyond our own with immortality. Oh, man. All right. I'm going to do what I said and follow my heart. So Rob and I and our first two picks will be taking movies from the same franchises.

So where are you going? I'm taking Empire Strikes back. How is that still here? What happened? Because I don't really think of it as a space movie. Because I had one pick and it was 2001 a space Odyssey Mallory. It's a snow movie and it's a dayrobobo movie.

It's more of a swamp movie when you think about it. And it's a movie about reconstructive of surgery. Guess what? Bespin, Dagaba, Haft, they're all in fucking space, man. But this is getting to the Rob Barre. It's, so's Earth, man. Okay. Pick an Earth movie. Or don't, because that would be helpful, actually,

if when it comes back to me on the next pick. I am taking The Empire Strikes Back, one of my favorite movies of all time, undeniably, one of the best and most important movies of all time, period, certainly genre, sci-fi movies. And I will be taking it

obviously eligible in a number of categories. I'm going to space saviors because I think that this is a great movie for interrogating the idea of that responsibility. Okay. And what you do with it and where it leads you and how you have to literally stare in the face, perhaps

your own of the idea of what it is to carry that chosen one bird up. Please, Lord. Only what you take with you. Am I supposed to know what movie you're going to pick based on that? I picked a vampire. She's back.

I already said. Does dig up okay vibes? Is that what's happening? Exactly. Oh, okay. Thank that. That was Yoda? No, it's just the kind of energy I'm trying to cultivate right now.

The voice of the X-Wing, actually. Yeah, exactly. It's some like, you know, Yoda training, montage sound accompaniment. Yeah, this is easy. I feel great about this. There are a couple other things that I would love to have with this pick as well, but I didn't think Empire would be here. Is there even any, like, how much space is in this movie? What are you talking about?

It's Star Wars. I'm just asking. Come on. I'm just asking. They're going from planet to planet. Luke is flying in his... How about all of the asteroids? It's really the asteroid field.

I would say that actually there's quite a bit of space and not only flight, spaceflight, but moving between different planets. I just wanted to interrogate it. Great. Well, you're up, man. Well, Mallory is going to be so chill, which is what she promised for this draft. I'm excited that. I can't believe I have empire. That's really thrilling.

So, yes, space savior for empire. Chris, you're up. And you have already selected interstellar. What do you take it next? I think in space saviors, I may take Apollo 13. I was wondering how high this would go. Jim Lovell is technically the hero of this film. My Saviors, though, I just want to point out,

he dies without the guy, without Lauren Dean's John Aaron character being like, it's all about wattage. It's all about power. Yep. These guys don't have the battery power to start up the lem or whatever. They're dead. So it was really just an engineer in old Texas. Now we're talking.

Old Texas. Good old Texas. That saved the day. But yeah, lots of acts of obviously verifiable heroism by real people. And, you know, I think probably a movie that rekindled an interest or a for, like, actual space travel among, like, a generation after, after, like, a period of time where it was probably more associated with Cold War stuff and kind of Star Wars. I mean, it's just really brought it back to, like, the tactile, the, like, we can do hard things,

stuff that space travel probably is and should be. It's so funny that you said Lauren Dean, because I was like, didn't I just watch the Lorraine Dene Space movie? And I did. And I will talk about it later, but not exciting with love. What a tease. This is a great pick. I watched this movie so much when I was a kid.

And I think, like, kind of the point you're making where this was like a... Star Wars gets re-released, obviously, the ultimate, like, gateway. But Apollo 13 was something that I watched a lot. I watched it with friends. I would, like, watch it with my cousins when we would go up to visit them in Long Island. It's just something that people enjoyed. And it was like a real, oh, space is interesting. Do you like an astronaut movie in general?

I do. I do. I don't want to say too much in case it comes up. later in the draft. But I do. I like interrogating. What does it take to go to space? Yeah.

There's something about that too where, because you mentioned High Life earlier, I feel like that's one of the exceptions. Space movies overwhelmingly are American movies. We are obsessed with this shit and obsessed with the like,

what does it take? Do you have literally the right stuff to get into space? I showed some restraint by not saying that. I'm just throwing it out there. But I think that's a huge part of Apollo 13.

It's like American ingenuity. We're dumping the box on the table. We're going to figure it out at NASA. We wear short sleeves, white button down, and black ties. Drive the Russians and drink. This is, I don't want to, Joe, tell me if this feels like it's too spoilery. I think this is okay because it's more like premise than plot. But this is one of the things I really, really love about Project Hail Mary is that it is a, we need to band together to solve this

movie and is less firmly rooted in just that perspective in a way that I think, especially right now will feel very necessary. Sure. This is a fascinating draft from you. Well, it's a little chalky. So now I'm trying to free myself out. You think Air Seller at 2 was chalk? Wow.

I mean, I just, Star Wars gets drafted a lot. Yeah, it does. I'm trying to actually. Sometimes for a reason. There's an assignment here, and it's about space. I mean, not about Daegoboth. I think you could do worse than drafting the literal favorite movie of an entire generation of film bros.

Thank you. I think it's a thing you could do. I'm not trying to court the film bro. Joe, you have two picks A Kubrick movie You did. You had an outstanding pick to start the draft.

Now you get to pick two movies in a row. You go in favorites, you go in... This is easy. Oh, easy. Well, cocoon. Don't pick anything set on Earth.

Space Cowboys. I'm picking something set on Earth. Are you fucking serious after all of you? I don't think you're allowed. I am. For first contact, I'm picking

Close Encounters of that kind. Yeah. Okay. This is not spoiler because I'm not going to spoil the nature of it, but I've seen Project Hail Mary twice now and both time the biggest, by far the biggest laugh is a close encounter's reference. It's like a huge, like, you know, ball-in-over moment in the theater. I love this movie. I have seen it on the big screen a couple different times. Stevie Speill's story of Richard Dreyfus, a bad dad who wants to leave his family in first space.

Yeah. 177, this is a, before I saw it, I was aware, of course, of like the mashed potato volcano. I just didn't know how long it took to get to the contact. But that aspect, which is just the end of the movie, is some of the most thrilling, anticipatory. And then just like beautiful, this sonic messaging, this music messaging, this like non-language-based communication. between people and aliens. Do the aliens look a little dopey in this movie? They do.

Part of the charm. But like, I just think that, like, what we've been talking about in terms of the quest, the certainty, that there's something more out there. And I need to pursue it no matter what, even if it means being a really bad dad. Listen. I don't think we get to space without a few bad dads. You know what? They did not.

That family did not support his home redecorating. Wow. So it goes. Okay. Fantastic pick. Space Saviors. Picking Dune, part one. Yep.

Interesting. I'm doing it. 2021, Dune Part 1. Politrates being a chosen one if you prefer to believe the hype. It goes fine. Does he believe his own hype? If you're susceptible to messaging. No, he doesn't believe his own hype.

own hype and that's what makes him worth the hype. Yeah. Belisa Nalgaiv himself. Listen, is this Timmy's best season right now? Or is the world high on Timmy? No, but are we high on Politrates? Yes. How do you feel about ballet and opera though? Good moment to ask people to vote for Timmy on the internet. People, like, have we ever talked more about ballet and opera?

Oh, I think the whole thing is bullshit. Yeah, me too. the whole thing is bad faith 2019 clipbongering. Here's my take, which is this. My sister who works in San Francisco opera is like, this is hilarious and also he's right. But also, I just think

he was a little snide about the way he said it. Was he wrong? No, he was not wrong. So it was the sauce he put on it. It was a little like, whatever. I support the opera and the ballet. But it doesn't mean that he should be persona non-grada anywhere. It was just like a dumb thing for him to say. I support him talking. Talking his shit.

Well, he's been doing another butt. And that whole thing that he did with McConaughey, I guess it was like a town hall. I don't know why. He's doing these like rewatches of his filmography. It's far funnier about how incredulous he is that McConaughey has like only seen Interstellar once. He's like, what do you mean?

What do you mean you've only seen it once? He's like, yeah. He was like, it's my most watched movie of all movies ever. Yeah. I'm taking Dune. This is an incredible space movie. Deneval Nive will know of taking it. a iconic sci-fi book that he loved that had been adapted interestingly by David Lynch in a way that, like, we support, but we have questions about.

Show some respect. And then, and then made something absolutely jaw-dropping. I would, I lean part one over part two, even though I really love part two as well, just because of how captivatingly exciting it was to see someone get doomed so right. part two is fantastic, but part one, you were just sort of like, you had no idea that it would, like, and I remember when, when the poster came out, when the trailers came out, a lot of people who weren't into Dune or whatever, like, this is going to be boring, this is going to be dumb. I don't really care about this. And then it was just like a zeitgeist, you know, moment for big time cinema is how I feel about it. And that was during COVID. And I went to like, masked up, but like several sold out IMAX screenings during, like, like high COVID to see this movie and have the sound overwhelmed me. And so that's where I am. No questions about whether Dune is a space set in space. I really like Joe, so I'm not going to be able to.

Notable. Interesting. I think that there's someone out there who's going to be like, is Dune more of a desert movie than a space movie? And that's someone is you. You're just trying to mix up the vibes pick to pick. In Dune, they come from outer space. The worms are out there. They start on a water planet.

What's the? The ones who can jump through time. What are those guys called? The ones who were like, I got the big brain and I look like a worm. You're in your lynch. But aren't those guys in June 2? Yes. Oh, yeah.

No, you're talking about the spacing guild. The guild. The Mentats, right? Oh, no, the space. Okay, he's talking about the creatures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. They're space people.

No question. Yeah. No question. I didn't pick it. So if you want to challenge Joe, go ahead. A political space story. Cross-witness. categorical concern.

So you prefer Dune over Part 2. But I would say Part 2 is the more savior-e of the two movies. Sure. Because it ought to be

where everything goes When you say Empire comes to pick it. When you say other Star Wars movies are the more visually splendor-y I don't know

that I would. I don't know that I won. That's why I picked it. I'm just wondering. They've been stuck in the ER for too long. Well, you could pick Doom Part 2

is your space savior movie because you have not selected a space savior yet, right? So there you go. Thank you, Joe. Chris. Chris.

you're up. You could go in a number of different ways here. You have Interstellar and Apollo 13. What are you taken? I'm scared. I'm a little bit scared about what you might do and how it might impact me. It's going to space horror.

Let's go Event Horizon. Love it. Sam Neil, baby. Yeah. Because it's kind of a... There are more sustained examples of space horror, but there's nothing more horrifying than the Hirona Mispache sequence of Event Horizon,

which I still can't believe was released into movie theater. and that I saw at the age that I saw it. How old were you? What year did it come out? No idea. 97? 97.

I was in college, so it was okay. But still, me and whoever I saw it with, I can't remember, were just like, what the fuck happened? How did they let that into the final release of this movie, which is essentially like self-cannibalism, interesting sex stuff going on? eyes being gouged out, you know, just face is being raped off. It's just honestly, have you seen Event Horizon?

It's too scary. It's too scary. You've never even turned it on. Too scary. If you had asked me, I would have bet so much money that you had not seen Event Horizon. Adam this weekend tried to like, should we boot up Event Horizon me?

And I was like, I don't think so. I was sleeping pretty poorly as it is. That was top of my space horror list. Like, that's the most horrifying. There are a couple of, I might, Maybe we'll find them again in Wildcard. I thought I knew what you were going to pick in space horror. Surprised, interesting.

This is all, this is, you're full of surprises today, but I love it. Okay. I love it. I've not seen this movie, so I can't comment, but you sold me with interesting sex stuff. Also, for Ball Knowers, event horizon is a Ball Knower movie. Is it? Yeah. Why?

Because I think it's like, it's about as like, they push the limits on like what you can do out there in terms of like, how scary could it be up here? Okay. And the answer is very scary. Aside from even the Hieronymus Bosch stuff, there's imploding inside of your spacesuit. Oh, no, thank you. There's visions of your dead wife. All sorts and stuff is happening. We'll find out.

I'm taking E.T. I knew. I knew you were. I'm actually... In first contact? In first contact. I'm taking E.T. I want to thank you because I also would have been delighted to take close and cash.

I don't know how I would have made the decision. I think I would have just probably gotten up and left because I wouldn't. been able to decide if they had both been here at First Contact, two of my favorite movies ever. But E.T. is a genuinely, like, seminal text in my life. So I'm very excited to be able to get it here in First Contact. In the third round, I'm thrilled, doing the rewatchables. That was like one of our first time back in person, Yumi, Fenrock, and Bill. And we right had been home COVID for a long time. And we just like gathered around a table. And I was like, Reese's pieces suck, actually. But this movie is great. This movie is great.

This is our most. This is our most. Candy. Usually we're divided on this, but... They're just not good. They're just not good. It's the wrong balance of... Chocolate to peanut butter. Peanut butter amends. Yeah. And the candy... What's the right balance? Yeah, it's a pure candy. As Chris just pointed out, a peanut butter M&M that gets it...

It's a lot of a powerful peanut butter hit. And I will say, I will want up that and say a peanut Eminem because it has the added, like, crunch. Yeah. You ever had a pretzel Eminem? Or a caramel lemon. There's a gas station on the 5 that has, like... that is like a weird sort of test market for weird candies that are nationally available.

Why aren't you bringing me candy? All these trips are making up and down the coast. I drive up and down the five all the time. There's just one gas station where I was like, they're just like floating this in this random gas station. Yeah. It's just like a demographically perfect test market for some reason. What does Lodi?

I think of it. I watched this movie like a thousand times when I was a kid, said E.T. phone home more than I said any other thing in the world would just walk around pointing like this. I just fucking love this movie. I think it's a good pick. It's kind of like saying, Born in the USA is your favorite Springsteen song.

I don't have a comment on Springsteen's discography, but it does remind me that you've yet to follow through with your now many times promised custom Springsteen lyrics for 19-19. Oh, that's right. So you're kind of dunking on yourself there, a little bit. True. Rob, we're back to you on the turn. So far you have Star Wars New Hope and you have aliens.

Yeah. I will be picking an Earthbound Spacey movie. In space horror, Brintheses, Earthbound horror. Not American Beauty. I'm going to take the thing as a space horror movie.

It is from space. It is from space. This was one that I was like, will people push back on this? No. Is this? I mean, it's from space. It is from space.

Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. Distinctly from space. I think it's like the very best, if you want to talk about earthbound space horror. You got the body snatching stuff, obviously.

You have all-time great viscera in terms of the transformations. And it's like the fact that you're getting the aliens hiding in plain sight, but it's not just like we're doing that to save budget. We're doing it so that when they emerge is the grossest thing you've literally ever seen in your life is just going to hit you like a Mack truck. Tough dog movie.

Very tough dog movie. Have you seen the thing? If you were doing this as first contact? I felt like when I was season three of Stranger Things, I think it was like, this is all inspired by. I was like, I better like, give this a shot. And you watch it like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a movie.

Great pick. Love the thing. Looking for the child's to my McCready out there. I don't know who it's going to be. Guys, I got news for you. Everybody's lineups are fucking great. These movies rule. Just bomb across the board.

These movies rule. Okay. What are you selecting with your next pick, Rob? This will be your fourth of six picks. Yeah. I think I'm going to keep it relatively earthbound. And in first contact, again, because it's literally allowed by the rules, I'm going to take arrival as my first contact movie.

That's what I thought you were going to do. you just, when you set it up the last time. Okay. I mean, it's beautiful. Great film. It's powerful. I think, like, the visual of the spaceship over the horizon is, like, such a daunting one in this movie in particular.

And the fact that it's, like, that big and also as small as, like, can this woman say for future maybe marriage and kid? It's just like a perfect balance of all those things for me. The answer is no. Well, but also, but also kind of, yes. But she did it anyway. Exactly. It was worth it to bring us into a level of consciousness.

in which we are experiencing time at the same level as octopods? Oh, man. Is that what's happening? When she meets with the... Hectopods. The Chinese general dance. Yeah. It's as good as it gets.

I mean, like, this is the thing. Of this genre, during this era, everyone has their library of the heart, you know? It's either a conversation with a Chinese general or it's trying to talk to your future kid through a bookcase. But we all have our heart travails. Future kid stuff. Truly so. Oh, man. I love Arrival.

To me, a modern masterpiece. I'm really happy to have it. What do you think? You want to push back? On the thing or on arrival. Either one. Well, Arrival is literally about the first contact with aliens. It's true.

On Earth. On Earth. I think first contact is a category. I think first contact is the most open to they came to Earth. Yes. No question. Aren't we the best at horror, though?

We produce regular horror on this planet at a unprepared Precedented scale. Libin' out with the Thanks for that chill vibe. I'm just saying Where would the horror be if not here? Okay.

Oh, man. A lot of good movies here, guys. Damn. And you were so down on the third pick. Look at your slate. I know. I'm thrilled. There are a bunch of things here.

I really like. Oh, boy. So many movies that I really like here. Which will not make it. I don't really care about that. I'm just going to follow my heart. None of you are going to take this movie. Transformers.

How did you know? Which one? Can you imagine? Bumblebee. Wally. Honestly, we'd think about it. You're picking Wally? E.T. and Wally.

I knew it. I love this movie. Now, let your freak flag fly. This is my freak flag. This is the greatest love story ever told. It's beautiful. Eva. I just feel like I really know you.

And it might be that we've talked together for nine million hours. I will say. There are other ball knower picks that I definitely could have made here that I probably will be sad, aren't there for me when it gets back to me because I don't think any of you were going to take Wally. I was considering it. You might have picked Wally. If I needed space connections later, I think I would talk to me. Yeah, I just love this movie. It's my favorite Pixar movie by Mile.

It's one of my favorite animated films of all time. And I genuinely think it is a beautiful story about rediscovering humanity. Whether or not you are the human race, the relics of the human race, hovering around in your little fast food bonnet bib bag I mean I am I am perpetually or you have discovered the spark between two robots like who would you follow into space you know this movie gives me the answer I've only seen this movie once yeah I'm a frankly surprised you saw it all given your completely warped and fucked up view on animation it's just a beautiful mode of creation and expression

I just swear to God this was my number one in space connections ranked on my My personalist I love this movie their relationship I mean look he's a simple man living a simple life low rough around the edges but a heart of gold she's like a driven career woman exactly hyper ambitious I respond to it it's a tail as old as any rom-com frankly he's just like crushing tape at home you know he's watching movies watching just waiting for someone hello dolly watching hello dolly waiting to reach out and hold the hand this is the robot Yes. The robot? But what's the one? Is probably the one where they're all drinking Mountain Dew?

Eventually, yes. Okay. Yes. And why are they doing that? Because the humans in the future. Humans have just gotten real lazy. Yeah. I can't imagine that in the case.

There's also the great, like the Howl homage in this movie, Auto. That's great. There's a lot of space cinema nods and winks in this film. It's beautiful. I like half of Wally. The first half? Yeah. First half.

The second half. Oh my God. I love it. I love it. The space dance? I'm not sure anything has ever moved me more than the space dance. So how can I not pick it on the space draft? I'm 100% with you on this.

I think this is an amazing thing. We're very in sync with our selections today, I think, except for the thing, which is too scary for me, obviously. I love Arrival. Someday. Okay. Chris, we are back to you. Okay. I'm going to go with something that I could have taken in space horror.

I could have taken it in Visual Splendor, and I could have taken it in Saviors, but I'm taking in connections and it's sunshine. This is what I thought you were going to take. when you picked a video. What's the connection? A man in the sun. You know? And it's also between a man and his therapist.

And a woman in plants. Yes. Oxygen garden. Also our connection to the earth, which we need to save by nuking the sun. And a woman in her dream. That's right. So this is Danny Boyle's 2015.

Earlier. Early. 2007. For some reason, the Obama administration, Like I just, all movies just came out, but I don't know. I can never remember whether it's late Obama. Yeah, this is pre. This is Bush.

Oh, seven? Yeah. Well, this is not Obama level home. That's Obama Eve. Yeah. It's true. We were all in Wicker Park. You know what I mean?

I'm still there. We never left for other. This has the probably greatest single sci-fi space movie scene of the 21st century to me, which is Canada's death. Spoiler, if you haven't seen sunshine. It's amazing. It is a movie that asks more questions than it has the bullets to answer, I would say, and may have been recut and is basically two-thirds of one of the great sci-fi movies ever made, and then one-third of like, it's a guy, and he's chasing you.

It would have been our 2001. The first two-thirds, if they had landed it, I think it would have been. Killing-Murphy is incredible in this. Mark Strong-Innocent. It's not his fault. The shaking cam is so great. In that stretch. So it's like it's,

you called this a yearbook movie, right? Yeah. When we talked about Dunkirk, this is a really yearbook movie except also Troy Garrity is here. But every single other actor, you're like, damn, Michelle Yeo's here. Avid House of Our follower.

Knife to the heart. Friuki Sanadas here? Benig Wong, big space movie guy, by the way, crops up across the board. If we had a best score category, I would say this is a dark horse. Obviously, some of the most iconic film scores

of all time come from space movies. Yeah, fuck you, John Williams. This is just saying. Quite a tape. Hans Zimmer, take a bath. I prefer John Dubs. Jaws. Or Raiders.

Jurassic Park for me. I mean, no one at the table is going to argue against the score of Raiders. Come on. Or Empire of the Sun. I will argue with that one. Here's my favorite thing about sunshine. We're able to watch this. Yes.

I have watched this movie. Every now and then I'm like, anybody possibly be as sunburned as I am. Yes. And then I watched them just peel in the chunks of their face off. It's great. It's kind of satisfying at a Dr. Pipple Popper sort of way. No, no, no.

Would you do like the algorithm serving me like people cleaning a grave site or something, a power washing a rug, you know? Yeah, I love those. The rug ones I watch a lot of the small experience. That's a universal experience. Scratch in the same bitch. Those are really good. I love watching people fix up like old Camry's. Oh, sure.

You know, what I love? Baseball glove. As long as the people fixing them up are women from the Idaho correctional. Just FYI, you had told us that off mic. So now that just sounds on mic. It's all right. Now that just sounds really special. Would you guys dive into the, would you do, would you do what Mace does?

Would you go into the cooling tanks? Or no? That's scarier to me than the sun. It's not the cooling tanks. It's the getting your leg caught that is irrelevant. The risk of the pinning of the great. It is a great Chris Evans movie, by the way. Quick poll.

Especially after he gets rid of the wig by getting a haircut. I would say death is 98% certain. You're fixing the shields out on the spaceship. Death by sunshine is about a... It's almost certain. Yeah. Do you lean into it and say, let me have an experience that no other man has ever had? Yeah, you get to know the face of God.

No question. Do you like, I can't make it? You just keep running. No, you stay. I'm burning up, brother. No question. It is tough to lose one of the face of the... those fantastic golden spacesuits, though.

That's a bummer. Those are some of the best spacesuits in across these movies. Yeah. Really good. Okay, Joe, we are back to you. You're, I mean, your lineup here is just incredible. Thank you so much.

How darling of you. Listen, I'm going to take... I would have taken Doom Part 2, but it is fantastic. I'm going to take back-to-back same actor. Oh! In space horror, I'll be taking what I believe is a hipster pick, which is Moon, starring Sam Rockwell.

Oh, yeah. Because what is more horrifying? than confronting yourself. Spoiler. Back to back to same actor K-Pax next then. This is what I was alluding to with. There's something I, because of who I'm drafting with, don't think we'll make it back to me that I would like to take.

I think Sunshine and Moon, if you were like, what are the hipster picks in the draft? I would say Sunshine and Moon. I love Moon. Moon is an incredible movie. You know, this is the movie I pretend that Sam Rockwell won his Oscar for. And I just, I think this is like a really fun creative, space,

movie space idea Mickey 17 wishes. And then I actually like that movie more than more people. It was fine.

It's like Moon walked so Mickey 17 could fall into a crevice. I liked Mickey 17 a lot. How really Mickey 17

be if he just didn't do the accent? I think it would help. Quite a bit better. Also, also if Ruffalo didn't do the accent

there's a lot of accents that probably should have happened. Do you think Patenson's like if you guys send me to space one more time

I think I can get it right. I hope so. He's about to be in space. Season Doom Part 3. Oh, that's right. If we call it space. Yeah.

Hey. Wasn't my pick. We're over there. Just throwing it out there. And also starring Sam Rockwell, in Space Connections, I'll be taking Galaxy Quest. It's so good. God damn it. Which is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Wow. I've seen it so many times. I have that movie on VHS. Yeah. I fucking love that thing. I once, my aunt and uncle are really hardcore Star Trek people. And my sister and I, for like, some Christmas or another, bought them Galaxy Quest or showed it to them. And it is now their favorite.

favorite movie and they were like, it's like we gave them the Holy Grail. They were like, you have unlocked everything for us. I actually picked this instead of an actual, you picked the Star Trek parody instead of an actual Star Trek. It's a better, it's a better Star Trek movie than any Star Trek movie. But she did I love Star Trek. If I hadn't gotten Close Encounters of Third Kind, I would have picked Star Trek first contact, which is my favorite Star Trek movie and is great first book.

Well, you're pro-Borg. As we know. I love the Borg. The Borg Queen in that movie, Alex Creek. She's so, she's so good. Anyway. Do you Borg have royalty? Yeah, she's the Borg Queen.

Oh, I thought they were all equal. that's what they want you to think. They're all one. They're all one. But then there's high-Ear-R-R-R-D. Some are more one than others. Okay. Kind of like the Thunder.

Tim Allen, in a great, he doesn't know he's kind of parading himself, perhaps, Tim Allen Roll. Alan Rickman doing incredible work. Just another remarkable Alan Rickman performance. Sigourney Weaver, who played, you know, if you've ever seen on Galaxy Quest, it's about a cast of a Star Trek-esque show

that get taken up to space. because the aliens think they're, you know, it's like very three amigos sort of thing, right? But in the TV show, she played like a bimbo. And so to see Sigourney Weaver do like blonde bimbo mode is fantastic stuff. And then make fun of how bimboe her character was. But Sam Rockwell, who plays Guy, is just like a real standout in that in that movie. See, I was waiting here the name Enrico Colentone. Oh, of course.

Who was just like on fucking fire in this movie. The line reads from an alien. Again, alien people trying to act human is like very fertile ground to see like men in black and all these other things. But I feel like he does it. Missy Piled too. Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Great stuff. Tony Shalube. Classic Shalub. This is a fantastic movie and I absolutely love it and it's endlessly rewatchable for me. These are just amazing picks.

I grab those. You will be a bit. Your lineup's incredible. Thank you. It's great. You've never been so nice to me on a draft. I'm genuinely, I just think I really like space movies.

I love all these movies It's not everybody's line-ups I'm not going into the Comic-Con halls in the way that some of the people at this table are. You're missing out, man, let me tell you. Are there still, like, those line moments of, like, say the thing on the stage and the way that, like, Ryan Reynolds had to go up that one time

and say the Green Lantern oath or whatever? Do people still do this? Big time. But, like, what is the thing? What is the thing that people have to say now? I mean, here's an example. It's perhaps an odd one, but we went to Comic-Con.

It was my first San Diego Comic-Con. I was sick for two and a half weeks after we got back. When you did interact with other humans so that's what happens. It was wonderful. And at the peacemaker panel,

John Cena just came out dressed as peacemaker. Sure. And was just in character the whole time and people were losing their minds. Everyone's chasing

that Hiddleston High. They are. I mean, truly. Yeah. Who among us? Chris, we're back to you. I have one for first contact.

And I... Some questions about it. I wonder if there will be So my first contact one is Annihilation. I like it. So I, okay. There's a lot of like ambiguity as we get towards the back, the back half of that movie, you know. And what we are encountering.

What we are encountering. As a reader of the annihilation books, you know, like I feel like I have a slightly better handle on it than just the movie. And obviously it's something extraterrestrial is going on. The reason why I'm a little bit nervous about saying first contact is because it's such a specific and unique world that you're not clear on whether or not it is in fact the first contact. But in terms of like the what would it actually be like to come into contact with something like that? It's just so mind-breaking that it gets like kind of close to 2001 in terms of like, holy shit. Yeah. And Garland is for better for it's just my guy.

So, uh... Oh, this is for better. Yeah. Would be very clear about that. Two Garland's on your list. I know. I quite like this movie. It's unbelievable.

Very underrated. Just the idea that like the alien thing is not a green guy or some humanoid. It's just like a presence. Can you make the sound? Can anyone make the sound? I guess not. That says just like Yoda. Yeah.

Throw like a little metallic reverb on that. This is a really good. Jennifer Jason Lee role. Yeah. Big fan. Good Tessa Thompson. Yeah. Choose for like hybrid bear monsters in this movie.

Yes. There's a lot of stuff happening. It's beautiful. So yeah, this is my first contact. If you'll allow it. Yeah, why not? For sure. Sheesh, I'm torn once again.

A lot of good movies. A lot of good space movies, guys. What categories do you have to fill? I still have visual sports. Splendor and Wildcard. I'm torn between two things in visual splendor, both of which I would really like to have. Hmm.

I got to be honest, it didn't occur to me that Doom Part 2 would still be here. And it is. Because you didn't think it was a space movie or you didn't... No, I thought it would be the one that was taken. Okay. So, I mean... You don't have to do it. Riding the sandworm in that movie.

The black and white sequence on Getty Prime, like for visual splendor, Doom Part 2 feels like a pretty day I'm going to pick to me. I got to see that movie with both of you in two different places. Chris, we need to watch Doom Part 2 so I can get the whole set. You should all go to Doom 3. Let's do it. Pencil me in.

It's a date. At an opera house somewhere. You know what? I'm going to do it. This was ranked really high on my listeners still here, so I'm not going to overthink it. I'm taking Doom Part 2 in Visual Splendor in this movie very memorably. Lisa and Al-Ga-Yub is like, that's not hope! Oh, yeah.

This is a lesson here. sometimes it's worth, it is hope, because I didn't think Doom Part 2 would be here and it is. You left your heart open. Something to think about. It's just about, it's about faith. A little water of life. That is a real thinker. It's about faith. Yeah. Water of life. What do you think? Max Crosby needs some water of life.

I have Tri Hendrickson. I'm fine. Okay. He's older. Didn't have to get rid of two, didn't have to trade away two first round draft picks. And you know what? Your reputation as an NFL franchise is unscathed. I did not say that. Nor will you hear me say that. Okay, Doom Part 2 in Visual Splendom. We are back to Rob on the turn. Rob, you have space saviors and wild card left. Is that correct?

That is correct. I mean, as it should be, we all left our wild card. Yeah. Yeah. Although, as we discussed previously, I think there's a lot of movies, like, especially a lot of space comedies. Like, I wouldn't even know where else to put. So I think there's some that even if you want it, like...

Who's sacking up and taking Armageddon is their wild card? Well, not I. Who's going to do it? I'm going to start with Space Saviors, and I'm going to take... Armagedon was on my... space saviors list. I will tell you that much right now. Same. And space connections. If you can't trust in the drillers, who can you really trust?

In space saviors, I'm going to take the fifth element. Wow. I love this movie. Wow. I fucking love the fifth element. This is great. If Splendor were broader. I'm scrolling down, sorry, to 61.

Okay. That's your loss. That's your loss, not mine. And you support Luke Bisson and all of his life choices, right? say that. No. I'm separating art from artists, including the opera singer

from being ripped apart by having stones hidden in her stomach. Like, not all decisions made were good. I'm not trying to say that there were. This is an amazing movie. I don't understand the sniveling. What is the argument against the Fifth Element?

Sniveling? Yeah. I don't think a single person is sniffled. No, a single snivel. There were some jeers. There were jeers for sure. But not snibling.

I like fifth element. Fun pick. Fun pick. That's the most damning thing you've ever said. Leelard Dallas multi- A cute story. It's a fun big. Chicken good.

You know? See, Joe understands. It's a fun pic. Joe understands. In Wildcard, I will be taking The Martian. God. Just an easy crowd pleaser. Much in the...

I think that's going to do well in the polling. Well, one would hope. Hmm. But, like, to me, the clearest spiritual successor to Apollo 13, in terms of, like, the space as problem-solving mechanic. So much lighter, so much pulpier, more, like, individual character-driven. Oh, I know what I'm going to do. I think it captures a lot of that energy in a way that I'm excited about.

I like the Martian a lot and we are going to do a Martian episode and I don't want to spoil it. But like, I liked it so much more the first time I saw it than I did in this most recent rewatch. And it perhaps is like because of Project Tell Mary, it's possible that like seeing Project Taylor Mary, you're like, oh, this is a Martian plus. You know what I mean? So. But the part of the Martian you don't like? No, I do like it. Oh, no, no. I mean, but is there a part of the Martian where you're like on third watch, I can just hit skip 15 seconds?

maybe. Joanna's not you. She doesn't zip through the Hobbit stretches of the Lord of the Rings movies. She watches the movie in full.

I like, it's like, it's like, what he doesn't watch the Hobbit? I don't watch Frodo. I don't watch Frodo parts of the Hobbit movies.

You're just like Legit off. It's not the Frodo. It's the Sam part. You skip all the Sam stuff. Sam and Gallum, like I got it. It's astonishing.

I don't know if I can let you get away with but Sam? 15 hours. I'm trying to watch Arragorn, but then what's at stake. The Erigorn cut would do numbers if I did it, if I made it. I think the original one already did numbers.

It's going out in 2028. Some very exciting casting rumors. Hmm. Okay. You just said you knew what you're going to do and you bounced. Yeah, because I do know what I'm going to take. But there are still, there are just so many good movies. Should we add a second wild card?

We'll do some. We can't believe this didn't get draft card at the end. Let's see. Let me make sure. Da-da-da-da-da. Yes, yes, yes, I feel. I thought Chris was going to take this movie. Hmm.

Oh, my God, Mal. What is happening? You're like a human soundboard right now. You're like full annihilation dancing with a metallic version of yourself as you make this pick. Can the social clip be all of the noises Mallory made? Yeah. If ever we'd out of context, guess what we talked about. Guess which movie Mallory is talking about when she makes this sound.

Here's the thing. We still don't know. Yeah. Okay. Train dreams. I love that movie. I know. Beautiful.

Maybe cry. I'm taking Gattaca. Yeah. That's my wild card. Is it a space movie? Yes. Because it goes to space at the end. He literally goes to space at the end.

Which is more than happens in some of the other movies that have been taken today. All right. Have I ever told you my Gattaca connection? Sorry. Please tell me. Maybe I should let you talk about the movie you're going. No. No, I want to know.

Is it about Ethan Hawk? Do you know him? Chris does. The Space Center is the Maritime. in Civic Center is our like Civic Center, which is like was designed by Frank Lloyd, right. They just put like a sepia filter on it. But that's where I had a mock trial and jury duty and all sort of stuff like that is from the space center in Gattaca. Did you have to brush all the skin cells off you before you walked in? I see that every day. I love a dry brush.

Ethan Hawk, one of our greats, one of our shared faves, Uma Thurman, just same thing. Jude Law, same thing. Jerome, not enough characters named Jerome or Vincent. frankly, in movies. You like water. There's the sea in this, you know, the swimming. Yeah. How much space is in it? The entire movie is about the desperate animating dream to go to space.

Vincent feels that he does not belong. He is on a cruel earth where everybody is genetically modified to excel and the idea of predestination and can you forge your own path? We even have your opportunities. You're not even going to get the chance, right? And Vincent, it's like, maybe I'll be more. at home up there. How could you say it's not a space movie?

I have an adjacent question. Is October Sky a space movie? Why don't you find out? Why don't you try to pick up? Oh, I'm out of picks. I got nothing left. See how many movies in the 90s was a dude law cast in where they're like, we need a perfect specimen? I was always really mad that they

never did a Dorian Gray with Jude Law. Like, Doolan is Prime, Dorian Gray. Sick. I'm imperfect. But like, you're Dickie Greenleafs, you're like, I'm a genetically engineered perfect person. Your AIs. This is life. Diglo Joe.

So good. Will anyone take Armageddon with the final couple picks? I don't think it's going to happen. You could have done it. You could have done it. I only have a wild card left and I want to throw some... Is it my turn? It is, you're up.

I just want to throw a light on a lesser known movie, which is Outland. A 1981 movie. Peter Hyams directed, starting Sean Conner, you guys seen this one. Sean Conry plays a space sheriff working on a remote mining colony. and there is a drug that is driving miners crazy. Let's go. And so he has to bring this drug ring down and then basically the drug dealers are coming to kill him

and he's like, I'm going to stand up for this mining colony but there's lots of like, it is ridiculous how good this movie looks and there is a 4K of it that is mind-blowing. Physical media boy. I mean, I'm going to literally buy it during the course of this podcast. That's an incredible thing. And it's a really, really awesome, like non-bond, non-hammy Connery performance.

Peter Boyle is really awesome in this and it's just sick it's just guys being dudes I am. It's being bros. I mean it's an important subgenre in space I'm shocked you didn't take Prometheus at any point in this draft. So I... Phrmethias is on my list. Maybe I can just speak to

Space Horror if I was doing a specific thing and if you don't mind me taking a movie that we know now, a specific thing that I would be horrified at is the moment in covenant when the Xenomorph bursts out of one woman's back.

Yep. But then the other woman has to see it happen and then blows up. You know, so that's like her last experience of humanity is running for her life after watching someone's spine explode. And then she just gets... Do you see something coming in? Oh, yeah. The fact that it took is that long to get to,

what if the chest perster came out the other way? It was like an embarrassment, but it's so good and so terrifying. Actually, I guess the chest buster came out of a guy's back. Yes. Then cut her up and then the spaceship blows up. Tough. Some love ones lost.

But double fastbender. Yeah, double fastbender. Catherine Waterston. A lot of flutes. A lot of McBride just kind of erotic flute action. I mean, aren't they all? Yeah.

I thought you might take Predator at some point today. I was thinking about it. Yeah. What if I was about to take Predator? You still can because no, now anything can be said freely because... If it leads, Joe can pick it, you know? One last pick.

And it could be Armageddon from 1997. It's contact, which I genuinely am a little surprise. I'm shocked of this is still there. I guess, go ahead. I don't want to start talking before you. I think this has also been kind of a generational thing. Like, I think people who are a bit younger than us love contact. And Jody Foster, McConnorahe and his other space movie.

Great hair in this movie. Really good McConaughey role. They should have sent a poet. Or a podcaster. And instead they sent Jody Foster. It's great. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, please.

if you got to the far reaches of space that it was just your dad would you be disappointed? I mean, I love my dad so I'm going to be. I'll be honest. I would be like, let's think bigger. But it's like a space being

wearing the face of your dad. It's a space being wearing the face of the person that you like cared about the most that you lost. I'll tell you what I would be disappointed. Yeah, Michael Jordan. I would be disappointed not to see my dad's face because my dad is awesome.

I would be disappointed that when I got back and I was begging everyone to believe me, I didn't think. to say, but check to see if there's 18 hours of static. Right. We have to hear about that later. I don't like this movie very much. Okay.

What if it was just David Morris waiting? Perfect draft until the end. I would be like, what have you been up to recently? Was it? Because I thought you were like, you're really the guy for a minute. You're really the guy for a minute. We read this book, the Carl Sagan novel in my physics class in high school and it was like one of the coolest things we ever did. And then the, yeah.

And then the movie, I just, I really. like this movie a lot. Very cool movie. It's okay. I'm a little mystified as you were explaining, Chris, how disappointed you might be to see your dad at the edge of space that that exact plot is like six different movies. That's what I'm saying. Like how many times have we done get to the edge of space?

Ad Astra. It's supposed to be your dad there. Ad Astra is the movie that I out of self-care bailed out of early. I had never seen it. But do you ever? You missed out. I did not. I saw the rage monkeys and I was kind of done.

But did you ever read the Karen Hahn storyline that you were for Polygon, which was Brad Astra, a sad astro about his dad astra That's just like what I think of Every single time I think about that astra You know what else's art? What? You just don't want to be sad enough with your dad enough That's what it's all about.

I mean, to be fair, I did not get to Tommy Lee Jones beyond like A silent moon rover or is it Mars rover? That part is amazing. That chase. That chase sucks. Either you could have selected this film and you didn't. I'm here to honorably mention many films. Okay, let's start.

So nobody took the right stuff. Are we surprised? I'm surprised a little bit. I think that that is really... Space race. Three hours and 13 minutes of space race. It's too long. Getting a stick-a-go.

Right at the right time. I mean, it's obviously subsequently has been a television show, but this is like this is why eight-episode prestige TV. Do you think Sam Shepard is hot in that movie? Sam Shepard is always hot. Actually, I'm so glad you for this because I almost texted you this the other night

when I was revisiting this film. Not only does he look great, am I crazy that you're not able to participate in this because you're not watching Survivor? Does he not exactly like coach in that movie? Exactly like coach? I think it's the reverse. Coach wishes.

Coach wishes he was like any era of Sam. Oh my God. Sam Shepard is very important. The Ed Harris orbits when she's like, The fireflies. The fireflies. Oh my God, the fireflies. That's great.

That's great. Right stuff's great. Nobody picked our head in. Ed Harris. Big space movie guy. Sure. Huge space movie guy. Yeah.

No one picked gravity. Not shocked. I've never rewatched gravity. I rewatched it for this. How did it hold up. I saw it in the theaters when it came out. I haven't revisited. I loved it on theaters and it was interesting.

Thinking about both the Martian and Gravity, like those are movies. Here's the thing about space movies. Yes. I'm near to say at the end of the draft. I think it really helps to see it in the theater with like a group of people and be sort of enveloped by the visual splendor

or the wonder or the fear of space. Gravity, I remember being this like incredibly electrifying experience. And even though I have like a big screen to watch it on at home, it just like wasn't the same to watch it. Also, I sent you guys this video of an astronaut for Vanity Fair, like critiqued space movies. He ripped gravity apart. He was like, that movie sucks. And that's what governor picks today.

You're like the astronaut guy on YouTube said the star child is real, therefore 2001 first. He does like 2001. He loves a sequence in 2001 where they walk around with Velcro on the souls of their feet. He's like, that's really fun. There are a few other movies that we should all throw out, but I do think we have to acknowledge the elephant in the spaceship. People are going to be mad that nobody picked a Star Trek movie. Nobody picked a Star Trek movie.

I'm not a huge Star Trek movie. I would have not to me entirely. I thought you were going to be, I was kind of patting on you to pick a Star Trek movie. I'm not, I mean, Rath of Khan is obviously, you know, whatever. But I'm not pitching to get like the popular vote here necessarily. That being said, Star Trek tanks on every pole. I've ever put it on. Any voting thing I've ever put Star Trek on?

They're just not simply not enough Trekkies who are listening to The Bringer.com. I think also because they're, they've been kind of like moved to Paramount Plus. You know what I mean? Like, they're kind of like, that's where a lot of that stuff happened. It's been a while since there's been a movie.

I don't know if those, I wouldn't say that. I was just going to say, I don't know if those movies have aged great, but I haven't watched them in a while. I was just never much of a truck guy. Yeah. Drag him, Trekkies. Drag him.

Please don't. Nobody puts either Solaris. I thought for sure I watched Solaris for the first time this weekend and I like genuinely kind of loved it. 72 or 72? Yeah.

I thought for sure. I almost picked it. I like I had heard such bad things about it. Like I remember when it came out either because people loved the original Russian version or whatever it had a really bad rap or I actually think it was like tremendously mismarketed. But

Space Mad Jeremy Davies like in terms of like who plays SpaceMass the best, Jeremy Davies does. No surprise. I love him so much. And I was like so, and then Vylo Davis is great in that movie. So if everybody, if you had taken Solaris, would you have picked the original or the Soderberg remake?

I would probably have picked the original. I think I would have picked the original. But I was one of those people who's like, this is not what I was told I was going to get when Solaris came out. I have a couple honorable mentions from my childhood. What's here? Flight of the Navigator? Well, last Starfighter.

Yeah, last Starfighter. Dark Star, John Carpenter's first movie, The Black Hole, the Disney movie, and Silent Running. And then just as far as space horror goes, I had Ghost of Mars, another Carpenter movie with Ice Cube and Natasha Hensrich. No species. No species on the list. A more recent one, Pandorum, with Ben Foster and Dennis Quaid, where they wake up from hypersleep and have amnesia. But they're also being attacked by something. See, that sounds great. That does sound good.

I love a wake-up from hyper sleep. I feel like the movie Passengers could have been very good. Yeah. But they're afraid to let Chris Crabby an asshole. That's the thing. Like, they just cop out at everything that could have been good. But I do think there's a lot of ground, earthbound space horror that we did not get to. Like, nope, under the skin, signs were the worlds.

Like, those are bangers as far as I can say. District 9. I love Under the Skin. Yeah. Independence. Nobody did Guardians of the Galaxy on a... Nobody. On a house of our draft.

Nor Thor Ragnarock. Stargate. I love Stargate. And Starman. Yeah, those are good ones. Can we say the name Serenity also? Absolutely. It was on my list.

I saw it before I saw Firefly and I was like, I want more of that. Like, give me completely involved. I think it's a phenomenal distillation of what makes Firefly so good. You guys ever see Pitch Black? Love pitch black. I love pitch black. It's really good. I saw that freshman year of college like blew my mind.

Plus that was like, well, no. But Vindy still really arrived. Doesn't he do that to his own eyes? Like, doesn't he make himself blind or do he get blinded because he's like a prisoner on the planet. Why is he able to see... Riddick? Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember... It's a great question. Maybe we should watch the Chronicles

of Riddick to remind ourselves what happened to him. Adam would be thrilled. We need to watch the Chronicles of Riddick. Starship Troopers. Nobody picked Starship. Spaceballs. I just couldn't really decide where I wanted to put Starship Troopers. Is that a First Contact movie? If I had not picked Galaxy Quest, I would have had

Spaceballs on my list. But I just wanted to do like one space comedy. Is Starship Troopers first contact? I don't know. It starts a war. They're waging a war with the bugs. But you could have done space connections or savior

because it's a mission. Yeah, it's a mission. Or wild card. Yeah. It's wonderful. Flash Gordon, forbidden planet. Yep.

I had two of their first contact ones. Attack the Block. Yes, I love Attack the Block. Amazing. The Vast of Night, which is an indie from like 2019. It's really good. I think Attack the Block as far as like creature design again.

Oh my God. The neon glowing teeth is just so great. What else do we miss? Total recall? Rogue 1 for Visual Splendor. Also, Last Jedi for Visual Splendor. For sure. I felt like, I think it's fine

that Two Star Wars were played, obviously. You guys did a great job. Thank you, Joe. You're welcome. If I had, I probably would have picked Last Jedi for Visual Splendor. Also, space connections. There is a binary sunset in that one as well.

Well, but it's a, it's a remix binary sunset. The last binary sunset. The space movie draft. Crate? Come on. Love crate. Is there. Space Jam?

This is just a galaxy. Just as gal is talking? Yeah. How high up would you put Battlestar Galactica, the TV show, in this? Quite high. I consider taking it in the first round. These two are huge Galactica. It would not have gotten past us in the second.

Yeah, I assure you. If TV shows are eligible. Probably the best aerial combat in space. So good. The Duck Fights? Yeah. Remember the Adama maneuver? Went down to New Caprica.

Fucking unbelievable. We did it. Did we do it? I think so. Mission to Mars. That's a lot. We talked about some of the movies were surprised and get picked, some honorable mentions. Here are our respective squaws. Does everyone want to run through their picks very quickly

as we remind people to vote? Vote for your favorite space draft. But you know what? We all won because we got to watch all these movies. I can't see mine, so you may have to read one. I kind of know what I have. But Joe, why don't you take us through because you had the first pick first and then I'll read Chris. I can definitely read mine as well. It's definitely 2001 in Space Odyssey and Visual Splendor. It's definitely Close Encounters of the Third Kind in First Contact. It's definitely Doom Part 1 in Space Saviors. It's definitely Moon in Space Horror, and then it's

Galaxy Quest in probably Space Connections. We might guess, and then Contact and Wildcard. That's right. I had Interstellar and Visual Splendor. Apollo 13 in Space Saviors, Event Horizon and Space Horror. Sunshine. Sunshine Space Connections. Annihilation

in First Contact. In Wildcard, I took Outland. I took Alien in Space horror. Empire Strikes Back in space saviors. T. in First Contact. Wally! In Space Connections. Dune Part 2 in Visual Splendor and Gattaca in WildCard.

And you like vanilla ice cream and your favorite colors blue. My favorite color is green. I do like vanilla ice cream. Why don't you say you're basic? Nothing wrong with that. Those are great movies. All of them. I feel great. I took a new hope in visual

splendor. Aliens in space connections. The thing in space horror. Arrival in first contact. The fifth element, I will defend its honor in space savior and the Martian in Wildcard. Great stuff. This was fun. Chris, Rob, thank you for joining us for the space. I got 20 minutes to spare.

You got anything else on your mind? What do you want to get to? What do you tell us? You're watching the World Baseball Classic? I know. No? Yeah. Garner Henderson had a homer today.

Survivor chat? Yeah. I mean, it'll be outdated as soon as it goes up because there's a new episode tonight. It's a long-old time capsule. It's too much. It's too much with Top Chef being back at this level. the Top Chef is back at and Survivor being this good. Survivor's the thing I care the most about every week.

I'm already panicked that I'm not going to get to it tonight because of Martian prep for tomorrow, and then I'll be spoiled and I'll be despondent. I don't want to be spoiled a single week. What if we just watch it tonight? And just, you've already watched the Martian. Have you seen The Martian enough? You've just rewatched it.

We've watched it. We've seen our outline for the Martian. It's a very weird one. So I feel like we can just come over and watch Survivor. Amanda is doing the pod with you, right? I don't think Amanda is going to be like actually Mallory. That's not how you get opiates into potatoes, you know? You just grind it.

Grind it's kind of Vicodin and you go like this and then you take a giant bite. Seemed delicious. This was wonderful. I don't agree. I believe Vicodin is potato. That's what the ketchup is for though. No, he's out of ketchup by the time. He's doing the Vicodin.

I think it's still come out. I'm so angry at how quickly he goes to that ketchup. We'll talk about it. Would you grow potatoes in your own poop? I don't think I'd have much of a choice, right? You could welcome the abyss. The question is, would I be able to just be able to follow instructions to do so?

No, I would not. Well, he's a botanist, so he's able to come up all in his own. You'd be fucked. Tough. We'll miss you. What a way to end this podcast. At least we have the new ways of the content that you made.

Who's going to win Survivor 50? I think it's too early to say, I want to see, here's what I'm looking for. Will this be an outlier season where physical, like, like a physical player might rise. Have these guys who have done

a challenge beast? Are they like, okay, I got the message. I was bad at the social game. Let me come up. Are you talking about how Jonathan was training with Boston Rob? Yeah.

To try to beef up his social game. And I just think that those guys every time I see them, I'm like, you guys are going to be great for six weeks and you're going to get smoked. Yeah. They're going to use you to get campfire stuff and then they're going to take you out of the first set.

Yeah, provide for us and then get out of here. Protect us from elimination. Get out of here. Wind tarps. and you're out. Malory. Ozzie being like, I know I'm really like thinking about strategy now is you don't think so.

Well, Ozzy's not doing a great job. Sierra, follow up. How much have you been feeling your own mortality every time Ozzy's like, out of my back or coach gets like stranded in the ocean? The ocean like crutch for coach is like, I can't hear out of this year.

It's tough. I feel like I probably take better care of myself on the whole because I don't put myself through Survivor. Yeah, fair. Jim class at five. What's that? Jim class at five.

Yeah. Jim class. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the gym. Dodge ball. A bunch of other guys. Honestly,

sounds sick. But it is, it's tough. It's tough. I think it comes for all of us. I love it. It's like one of my favorite parts of the season so far. My actual favorite part is watching Christian because he's just riveting TV and is always been my favorite. His favorite player didn't win.

I was talking to Becca and HR the other day. And we just talked about how great Christian is for the entire meeting. Kish is just mesmerizing to watch. Colby being like, Here's the thing you need to know if we're going to be an alliance. I can't hear. And then later being like, I can't see. And then later being like, I don't have the mental acuity to figure this out.

I just think it's. He was the poster boy for like Captain Amer. I just think it's great. It's a great way to feel how long survivor has been in our lives and what it means for time to pass with the same people. I'm enjoying it. He carried that snake, man. He carried that snake. So did Savannah.

It didn't help her. He sure did carry that snake. You're missing out. This is like when people talk about sports around me. It really feels like it. It really feels like it. Survivor is sports. Is it?

Sure. Yeah. In a way, in a fashion. I mean, they have the challenges, but it's also the sport of seeking to destroy your fellow man. Mallory, do you want to say on camera who we've chosen as our number one pick in our pool? Or should we keep it a secret? What do you think?

Do you want to not be embarrassed or way off? No, I don't know. I don't care about it. But there's like a mid-season reset possibility. Oh, that's true. Maybe at that point we do it. Are you current on the pit? Well, I haven't seen whatever goes up tonight or tomorrow.

I know. But I'm current through last week. Okay. Yeah. How are you feeling about Sean Hadesi in general? Great. Wonderful. I don't like Sean Hadesi on a minutes limit.

Yeah. I thought he was... I had led to believe he would be more present this season than he had... Certainly was for the first, you know, a few episodes, but obviously the last couple, more prominent. There's only room for one big doc, you know? They can't have... Well, this is a question... This is a thought experiment.

Rob and I were having... We were talking about the pit, which is like, what if Robbie... isn't the head doctor next season and Noah Wiley gets to take a nap. You know what I mean? Is the pit still the pit? So that's brewing, right? That's out there.

Right. That that is which direction this is going. But I'm like, Noel Eise spent like 25 years in the desert. He did. Like, are you really like, I'm giving up? I feel like he's not, I don't think he's going to leave.

I feel like he takes a season off. Just a season off or like shows up right at the end or something like that. He's not going to make the librarians for it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And he's more present behind the same. scenes. Perhaps. And he gets to like

take some mats. But who will use all of the hand sanitizer? Everyone else. Nobody does as much as him. I'm like, I feel so seen. He has only one person alive who uses more Purell than man. It's Dr. Robbie. He puts a lot of relish on it though. I feel like you could judge up your sanitation game, get on Robbie's level. Give me time. I have some gloves if you need to borrow them. I know you guys do. Okay. Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us.

Thank you. Christopher. Robert. It's been a pleasure. just a joy and a thrill. Look forward to being invited on your podcast at some point. You know? You were just on the watch like literally days ago. We drink in beers?

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