House of R - 'Yellowjackets' Season 3 Episodes 1 and 2 Deep Dive

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Our intrepid girls have returned! As well as Jo and Mal to break down the double episode premiere of the third season of 'Yellowjackets'. They take a deep look into what happens in the aftermath of season two and where these first two episodes set up what hopes to be an incredible season. Hosts: Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Video Supervision: John Richter Social: Jomi Adeniran Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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in the history of the sport. Our heroes, no, our she heroes. We're wrong. We're wrong. of fame and fortune by the cruel hand of fate and by mechanical failure or possibly pilot error, unclear. But no near plane crash could keep our intrepid girls and a few dudes down. Hello, welcome to House of R. We're in studio. I'm Joanna Robinson. That's Smalley Rubin. We're here to talk about Yellow Jacket's Mallory. How you doing? I'm as thrilled as I could possibly be for two reasons. One, you're here. We're together in person. Two, Steve did tell us right before recording that he was prepared to bring us a tatter-salt-oopsie daisy tray.

With the boopsie bacon. With the boopsie bacon. Wow. We're so lucky. Thrilled. It's Yellow Jacket Season 3. Yes. It's a two-episode premiere.

We're here to talk about episodes one and two of Yellow Jackets. We're thrilled. If you're like, hey, you've never covered yellow jackets before. on this feed. Well, guess what? We covered it on the Prestiastee's TV podcast feed. But now we've stolen it back to House of R. We've captured that bone for ourselves. And it's Mallory Rubin and yours really. And we have like being back in, you know, we have other things to say, but I just want to say really quickly, I'm delighted to be back covering yellow jackets. I love this show. And I conceptually knew that. But in putting this together, I was like, wow, I just like love

this show. I'm so excited. I had tears streaming down my face reading the outline. that you put together at the very normal hour of 1 a.m. Because I was in hysterics. I was laughing so hard. And I was just like, it feels right to be back in the wilderness with you. It feels right to be back in the pit with you. More crucially, it feels right to watch. We haven't issued a spoiler warning yet.

But a certain someone. Go into a pit. A pit. A thrill. A thrill. Let's do Parker Reminders. Shall we? Yeah.

So over on, so prestige feed, we should say. Yeah. We're going to be doing our regular House of Our Cadence to a week sort of thing. We're going to be covering yellow jackets week to week. We're very excited to do that. Yes. But also, you and I are covering White Lotus over on the prestige TV feed with Bill Simmons. Ever heard of them?

On a weekly basis. Yeah. We have a lot to say about White Lotus. So you and I are going to be doing three podcasts a week every week. Minimum. I'm sure we'll have some weeks where a fourth pops up. In fact, we have four over 36 hours. This is fine.

That's great. If our clothing doesn't change. doesn't change between episodes. You'll know why. I considered bringing an outfit change actually, you know, but thought with the rain. Yeah. Didn't feel like the time. Okay. But in future weeks, perhaps I'll, perhaps I'll keep that in mind.

We'll get you an armoa here. Credenza. Okay. Please. We're back with Jeff Seddii. And it fucks. It's a fuck fast. It's a fuck fast that credenza.

Okay. So that's Prestige. We're also still covering Severance over there. There's a lot going on prestige feed. You're going to want to tune in for that. And then we will be back later this week tomorrow with our Romantasy Valentine's Day Quickey podcast. Love a V-Day Quickey. That you guys have sent one million emails for, which is genuinely thrilling.

Thank you so much. So we'll be talking about Romanty, Ony Storm, fan fiction, all sorts of V-Day fun stuff. And then next week, you and I are covering Captain America Bravely. new world, and also yellow jackets. That's right. And then over on the Ringerverse, the Midnight Boys, Poo! Poo! They did the blackest movie draft,

I'm really excited to check out. And then also, we teased this before, but just in case folks didn't see that, Ringer Quest, which is the in-person with a set and everything, D&D campaign that we did with Steve Almanez, our DM. We taped this several months ago, but it is finally ready for public consumption. That will be able to be able.

up on February 18th on Tuesday. You can listen to that if you want to, but we did it with a set. The whole gang was there. All the Midnight Boys. House of R. You want to watch it on our YouTube channel or Spotify or Spotify. Yeah. That's a lot that's going on. Yeah. I can focus keep track of all that. It's easy. Here it is. Follow the pod. Follow House ofar. Follow the Ring ofverse. Follow Prestige TV on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast, as just mentioned. You can watch full video episodes of House of Our and Midnight Boys Pew Pew on Spotify. Incredible stuff. You can also, of course, watch our video episodes on the Ringerverse YouTube channel, which in the year 2025, Joanna will no longer allow me to call new. No. It's old news. It's old, but still fresh.

Hit subscribe to that. Then while you're at it, follow the Ringerverse on the social media platform of choosing and who are we to tell you what that should be. But we're out there. Find us. Yes. On one of those. Make your own choices. And then send us your emails, right, Joe? Hobbs and Dragons at Gmail.com. Send us your Yellowjackets emails in future weeks. Keep them coming throughout the season. Send your emails about, I mean, Daredevil is about to start. Sure. We're not that far away from Andor. Last of Us. No, the Seven Kingdoms. It's a great time to be house of our. Friling. Yellow Jackets, we love your theory. We love your sort of Greek mythology illusions.

You guys are really good at sort of parsing out a lot of details that we might have missed. So we would love to get those emails from you. We would read them on the pod. Is this a good time to say, by the way, that we're watching on screeners and thus cannot pause and free stream? Should we mention that right at the top? We do at least have closed captions this time because I had a terrible flashback to last season when I was trying to translate some uncaptioned French. Wasn't a great time for me. We have captions this time, but yeah, we cannot freeze frame to pour over like little details of things.

Yeah, we might be catching up on some, oh, it would be great to go. Boom, boom, boom, boom on the next week's spot. Okay. Who knows? Spoiler warning. Yeah. Season three, episodes one and two. It's a double premiere.

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Episode one is titled It Girl. Yes. But actually Pit Girl. Wonderful stuff. Written by Jonathan Lisko, Ashley Lyle, and Bart Nickerson. Those are the creators of the show, wrote this episode. And directed by Bart Nickerson in his Yellow Jackets' directorial debut. And then Dislocation, written by Rich Monaghan and Amani Rosa, and directed by Billy Woodruff.

and Billy, who has done a previous Yellow Jackass episode, also directed the film, Honey, the Jessica Alba classic Honey, beauty shop, a couple episodes of Bridgeton, and a metric ton of music videos, among other things. So if you felt any honey vibes from episode two, that would be director, Billy Woodruff. We're going to do, we've got a few little segments.

Some are returned, some are new. At the top, before we get into the episode, we're going to start with the unreliable narrator, slash hallucinator slash dreamer counter. Yes. Mal, you want to take us through this? We like to track who is off their particular rocker in any given episode because, like, there's a lot of fun dream space, a lot of fun hallucinations that happens in these shows.

But we want to make sure that we are like, don't believe everything you see. Who's showing us what's true and who's showing us was not this season. Absolutely. So, as is so often the case, multiple characters are going to be present in this segment. in multiple timelines. So that's always nice. Taisa. Yeah.

Present timeline. Hoking up with van against the wall in an alley. While bushy plays. Dine and dashing while glycerine plays. Just living the dream, frankly. That was a thrilling television moment. We'll get into all of the particulars. A life was snuffed out in that sequence.

And then Taisa saw. Our old pal, no eyes. No eyes. A harbinger of death and doom, since Ty was a small child, saying goodbye to grandma. No Eyes, of course, led Ty, tried to lead Ty over the cliff in season two, a couple times, to symbol trees, etc. So always alarming. And it was alarming here. And Taisa did not tell Dan about it.

Never welcome, never invited. Correct. Yeah. Correct. Next, Misty hammered. Seven shots of railways. Rail whiskey. Rail whiskey.

What a season three start for Misty. Just sensational. I think Christina Reaching is my MVP of these two episodes. Couldn't be a better start for Misty. Sees the ghost of Natalie in the mirror behind the bar keep, but it is young Natalie. Joanna. It is young Natalie, and I think we should assume that this means that Juliette Lewis is definitively not coming back.

Not for even a haunting kid. What did you make of this? Because we have seen the ghosts of young Jackie. Yeah, haunting Shauna in season one. But Jackie, that was it. Right? We never had an adult version of Jackie. So of course, that's how Jackie lives on in Shauna's mind. Whereas Misty and Adult Nat had some very formative experiences together. I feel like if it were not the case that Juliette Lewis left the show in a I don't want to be on the show anymore moment. her life. Yep. That would have been adults, Nat. Seems right. Yeah.

It seems right. Travis. But I'm never saying no to more Sophie that. No, it's wonderful to see Sophie always. Travis is really going through it. Everybody on the show, including all of the viewers of the show at home, like really fond of the doom coming episode. And so we do have the mushrooms back in the mix.

Yeah. And Travis consumes the mushroom tea. And here's. well before the rest of the group hears it. The screaming, shrieking, chittering cries. It's a lot of chittering. And I am, I think you know. You don't love a chitter.

Blinket and anti-chitter. It's a no to a crevice. Yeah. And it's a no to a chitter. It's an absolute, like I would get in a crevice before I would listen to a chitter. If you were in a crevice, if you had wound up in a crevice and then you heard a chitter. I would simply perish. What if there was a rap?

What if there was also. scuttling. They're scuttling and chittering inside of a crevice. Absolutely not. Might be my number one nightmare. Can't happen. I do have some theories about what we might be hearing here, but I'll save it for when we hit that in the episode. And then speaking of the chittering, the screaming. Also, there was some crying, some baby cries in there. After Travis issues the very spooky to Lottie, like you really don't hear that, you will. It is in fact proven true. Everybody hears it not only at the camp, but Mari, who has.

falling into the wonderful and is thus a physical distance separated from them also hears it and mentions it to Ben so fascinating and then

speaking of Ben speaking of Coach Scott who is rocking a just astonishing beard at this point I think it's great it's lush I mean it was a big moment

when he shaved toward the end of season two so one of the many hair follicle markers that help us really get a sense of the passage of time. Natalie's roots are our number one marker, but the coach beard is awesome. T. T.I's hair is longer.

Yeah. I really need some wigwatch TM with Joanna Robinson, TM. Travis. I have some questions. We can just cut hair in the wilderness. It's okay. You don't need to make some wear a wig. Yeah, they obviously have, like, a number of knives.

Yeah. Which they use to. Fashion housing. Throats and bleed out corpses. But they're also like carving up human flesh, etc. And like, you can cut some hair. clothing shredding, you know? Ben, living on his own in the cave system under the roots of the simple trees.

I could see why he would have some longer hair. Some insulation. He's having something else, and it's a conversation. It's robust conversation. When he takes Murray Prisoner, wonderful. When he knocks her out and hog ties her? I just like, I'm sorry, delighted. And then kindly gives her some hot chocolate.

She's enjoying it. You're going to share some thoughts on the close captioning of that segment. And then, Mari, we don't see, we just see the kind of shadows cast on the wall. Ben is having a very heated, imploring discussion with we don't know whom. Is it Paul, the boyfriend he was hallucinating about and having visions about it? He was also like calling the wilderness to say, you know, he's not quite ready. I give him a little more time. Is he possibly talking to Javi's mystery friend?

There are other possibilities. So the question of, you know, what exactly is happening there is a ripe one for us and what's your guess? I think he is talking to Paul. Tree person or ghost boyfriend? Yellow jackets. We're bad, baby. Okay. I'm going to run through quickly our meta line counter.

This is just something that I thought was fun in this episode. Van and Sean, we already heard some of Vans, but Van and Shauna get like dueling recaps, including the line previously on Yellow Jackets. And I did look it up and that was something that he started. I was like, were they even doing that in the 90s previously on whatever show? But they did. They started in like the 80s doing that.

And then when Shawna says to Melissa, wait, do you like have a personality? Which was just like a fun moment of like bringing Melissa a very much a background girl in season two to the front who seems like she's going to have a much bigger role to play in season three. Like, Shauna might as well have been looking to the camera when she says, wait, do you have like a personality now? Yeah. Are you an actual full-fledged character now? Welcome to the party, Melissa.

We'll see. My pal's Kristen and Jenny, who hosts their own Yellow Jackets podcast, where like is gay a personality with sort of their assessment of that. But my response is we can't all have winning personality traits like likes animals and is a big. which is Akila and Mari, but there we go. And I say that with love because I love a bitch. All right. So what's on the menu is a new thing that I thought I would track? Because we get a lot of eating on this show, not just of friends and pals in the wilderness, but also they like to play games sort of echoing that with meals in the present.

Yep. The Sedecki kitchen is like often a source of profound confusion for us. Yeah. Like when they made a savory turkey sandwich out of cinnamon raisin toast. So deeply distressing. worst things you've ever seen in a show where they literally eat people. But this is a would you rather. I know that you, Mallory Rubin, better than everyone else, would simply choose not to eat a friend.

For me, I would just simply not eat a friend. If you were stranded in the lowness. But which of these menu items would you most like to eat? A bag of lays after definitely not smoking chronic. Great stuff. Walter Tattersell's Oopsie Daisy Trey, which includes eggs over oopsie, boopsie, and Lucky Daisy Bottoms Up Tonic. Yeah, you really got to get the tonic down quick, though.

I could chug. Okay. The Swift Eats Intestines delivered by Randy. Let me just say something quickly. Yeah. Randy has never had a bad scene on the show. True. Never.

Correct. Correct. Stealth MVP. And I really feel like he's living his life on his, like, new scooter delivery. My application NASA is pending. Wonderful. Cotton candy wrap foie gras that you didn't have to pay for. The chef recommends one.

One bite. One bite. Yeah. Thanks for letting us know. Shana's brazed venison stew, bowl optional, spit required, serve for the finest vintage of berry wine. Yeah. This was just the winiest shit from Mari. Shana spit my stew.

Would you eat stew that Shana spit in? Oh, yeah, sure. Why not? Here's what I would. Here's what I would not do. Yeah. Were Shana preparing food for me? I would not mean mug her all day.

That's what I. That's step one. Not that we needed more proof that Mari is the worst. That Mari needs to go in the pit. Genuantly poor judgment here. You can't fuck with Shawna like this. All right. Coach Ben's general supply peanut butter power bar,

which he's scarfed in one go. You can't do that. It's too dry. Yeah. You need to nibble. He basically cinnamon challenged himself. It's not great. Cali Sunday, which is mostly whipped cream.

As you know, this is just like my night of your alley. My nightly snack. I was like, that's just, I literally have that like every night before bed. And then tapas. All of them? Is this your spot? All of it? Poor Jeff. Poor Jeff. Which one are you going for? I, you know, I'm going to go with the venison stew. Oh, nice. It looked delicious.

It did look good. Like, it looked like a very rich, hearty gravy. Wonderful work from Shawlna as usual. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that looked good. I can't accept the Upsi Daisy tray because I have seen Walter befoul the breakfast experience before when he took the little slice of Canadian bacon. made a savory sweet taco out of out of it poured the syrup on it. It was just an absolute no for me. A breakfast innovator, Walter. Not innovator, I don't know. And so I don't want anything to do with that. I think I think I'm going with the stew. Yeah. I think I'm going with the stew. What about you? You go on foie gras, cotton candy lollipop. No, here's what I have to sell you. Yeah. Right now. You don't like cotton candy. Oh, I don't actually, but that's not what we're here. I once had 17. 17. 17. This is true At a bat mitzvah

In Owings Mills, Maryland Somebody had a cotton candy maker I'll say they were doing So they're doing this roll It was a smaller portion I don't know that I could call it mini But it was definitely not like a full robust plume

But I had 17 of them 17 at one bat mitzvah That's been all downhill since That was when I peaked And all of your teeth are still in your head And we don't know why I will say this I think there's

you should never underestimate a bag of classic lays. I think classic lays potato chips. Okay. There's something very, yeah. What's your face? We just have so many better chip options at this point. No, but there's like something. I used to work for this nonprofit and we would do this like fundraiser dinner every year where our boss would like make fried chicken and then like and old fashions and then serve classic classic lace potato chips with onion dip. And it was just sort of like, it was just sort of like here are the classics. You wouldn't have wanted a heartier chip. Did anyone at that gathering ask how it could be profitable for Frida Lai? Oh, could it be profitable for free to lay? Thanks for referencing one of my favorite movies all the time. All right, let's break down this episode. This is a double episode premiere.

We have a lot to get through. We are, as usual, going to go sort of by character groupings and timeline groupings. We're not going to go chronologically. We would be here all day, which sounds like a dream, honestly. It sounds so fun. But we're going to start in 1987. Okay. With pretty much everyone is this grouping.

And in our first but not last, lost reference of, oh, actually, I think you already referenced the smoke monster. Did you not? I don't know. Anyway, we're going to talk about lost a lot. It's something we do on this podcast. Guys, when are we? Very helpfully, we find out that it's been six weeks after the season two finale. I just thought it was devastating that we found this out because it's like how long Missy has gone without anyone checking in on her.

Yeah. Very upsetting. A lot of upsetting things happened to Misty in this episode. Very upsetting. And then in the past, it's summer solstice, 1997. Festival time. It's June 21st. We've got a date.

What did you think about the time jump? What did you think about not picking up exactly in the moment where we ended? I liked it because I, too, was sort of tired of snow time and was ready for some sunshine. Interesting. So, oh, did you not like the jump? I found it a little jarring at first. I think especially because we know that the wilderness period is a finite period, right? We know they were out there for 19 months because of the like return airplane sequence in the season two flash of them being returning, getting off the plane before Lottie screams really loudly.

And so I just feel like every one of those moments out there is precious and jumping through a considerable swath of time. And then I think finding them with a camp setup and a life that felt shockingly stable? No, I love this, though. Okay. Tell me why. It's just going to be like we can. We watch it fall apart again. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We can make temporary paradise for ourselves. I just like want to see them build the TPs, for example. Oh, yeah. You want Akila's like YouTube how to do a video. I want to know where she found Mortimer. Okay. We're only a few minutes in. Yeah.

We're not at the Mortimer probably. But, Joanna, I'm afraid. I'm scared. Protect Mortimer at all costs. Obviously they are raising, they are raising the animals to eat. I understand that. Would I rather they killed and ate each other and kept Mortimer safe? I would.

I would. Okay. So you simply would not. You simply would not eat a friend. But what if it was your friend or Mortimer? Which friend? Me. No, I protect you at all costs.

I would say take me instead and let Joe and Mortimer thrive. I just, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't go on if anything happened to either of you. I like this contrast. I do feel like what it's pointing towards is maybe we only have like one more season. Like we're going to get four seasons of yellow jackets. Yeah. Well, so this was my big question. It's kind of okay with me. Or do you think that that puts a definite like end cap on the overall length of the show?

Or do you think it's possible that, you know, like Oliver Queen was only stranded for so long, right? Do you think there's a chance that we have a future season where we're not in the wilderness at all, we still are in multiple timelines and we're spending more time in 98, 99, 2000, etc. does that just that just seem not possible? I would say diminishing returns on Green Arrow and I wouldn't want that for Yellow Jackets. So with love and respect to the flashback wigs on Oliver Queen. Okay. So we open with Mari running.

Thrill in my life. And it felt to us. I mean, the episode ends. Episode one ends with her in that pit. And if you guys are just joining us for Yellow Jackets in season three and you weren't with us in previous season. All of season two, we were yelling about Mari getting in the pit because we did not like Mari. We wanted her to be pit girl. We wanted her to get in the pit.

And this is like a Valentine's Day present for us. We feel like from the showrunners. We are not the only ones who wanted Mari in the pit who hated Mari. But like... It did still feel like a love letter to us. Too awesome for us. But they're running. They're not running because they're hunting, you know, people like they did in previous seasons.

They're running because they're playing a game. playing capture the bone. Oh, name we will continue to workshop. Yeah. Capture the bone. They need to save that for the next group orgy. Yeah. I think. That's, that's Travis's game.

You know what I mean? That's when Travis is running through woods being. We should call this something else. Okay. But I thought it was really fun to not only have that bait and switch, not only to have the Mari running through the woods moment, but also to have to watch them, these are athletes. We met them playing soccer, watching them play soccer together.

So to watch them like relish running through the woods in competitive pursuit. Shana, particularly competitive. Killer. Yeah, an absolute lethal killer who's still lost. Well, she was not thrilled about it. Yeah, especially because we saw that violence so early on the practice field, of course. With Thai. Shana, Shana Valley, a drama bond.

But I loved the way that this played with our expectations in so many respects. We see Mari running. I just assume right away. Yeah. Someone has pulled the queen card again. They're not to Marie. And not only that aspect of it, but the team dynamics, right? You have something like tie and van or on opposite teams.

So it's like, oh, you duped me. And one of the things that we really love tracking across the first couple seasons is who is opting into the possibility of the supernatural at a given moment and who is resisting it and really like trying to be the voice of reason. This is coincidence. There's always an explanation. And also, what are the alliances? And that is an, that is a liquid thing. Like that is always shifting and moving And there are some more stable bonds inside of it

Yeah But one of the cool parts of the show Has been that we have like never been able to remain super confident In a good way for long about like This will for sure be the camp This will for sure be the other camp The ability to team up Is based on a given moment

We see it inside of this episode right Like Misty Going over to Shauna To rat on that And I am I had watched Survivor when we covered Yellow Jux, but I was thinking, I'm constantly thinking about Survivor, and I'm like, we're snitching, we're blowing alliances. You have to always have more than one final three. You have to. Constantly move.

You got to tell four people that you're number one. If you're not moving, then you're dead. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, and I have to imagine that these teams were formed by probably not even like school yard pick that they were like probably like drew, drew cars or whatever. Yeah, they love to draw. They do love to draw a car. Great moment in the present timeline when Callie is like, anything but. Carts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What is it with you guys in cards? Not that. But, yeah, so we get the girls playing.

We get to see a Nat in the past. Phenomenal wig. Incredible root work on the wig on Sophie Thatcher. It also felt like it was for you and you alone. Yeah. Because you, as a scholar of wigs. All things full of how long it takes to have a dye grow out. Yeah.

You were perplexed by how much root we saw a Natsar in season two. So this felt like in sync with the passage of time in a way that it had not previously. I think so. And I think mostly they just want to get to a point where they can cut those bleach ends off and just not make Sophie Thatcher wear a wig anymore. Except when she appears to Misty as a ghost in a bar mirror after seven shots of real whiskey. But I think wigs play better via ghost bar mirror than they do running around in the wilderness. You know what I mean? Seems like pain in the ass.

And Sophie Thatcher, who was great in Heretic, is in companion, now in theaters, Scream Queen. Like that's scary. That's the dark hair that she's rocking. And I feel like they just want to let her get to that. Okay. So that needle drop was rancid. Maxwell Murder. Yeah.

Then we transitioned to Kat Stevens morning has broken in 1971, the kind of dad music that Mallory loves and enjoys. As you know, one of my genuine favorites. Me too, but that felt like it was for you, the Cat Stevens. I loved it. Giving us this like action, not just the, the, you're like a real tea for Tillerman. I love tea for the Tillerman. Love. I love tea for the Tillerman. Love. The peace, the calm, but also that idea of a new dawn. Yeah. As we move through the clistening sunlight and rippling leaves into their beautiful new camp. But it was just so, the needle drop was so perfect because they're showing us all these idyllic,

imagery. We've got bunnies hopping. We've got girls brating each other's hair. We've got a giggly game of telephone with Travis. Like all this sort of stuff is going on. But it's just also because we're in like the, like with love and respect to Kat Stevens, Ys of Islam, like that early 70s, late 60s music always just sort of like gives you a little like, and then things went real bad. Did they not? And then we got the Manson family, et cetera, et cetera. And so. the Manson family vibes are here. We're in this sort of like adilic compound, but like the piece is so fragile. Oh, yeah. And so just giving us that music, giving us this imagery and giving us, very crucially, a shot of new gen. Welcome to the party. New Gen. We're season three, we're still recasting girls in this show.

You think this is just a bit at this point? Like every season, we have to have swapped someone. one out just to keep you guessing. I, she does this slow-mo, walked towards the camera with all the, like, pheasins that she's caught or whatever, and I was just like, who? Now, maybe Jen has a starring role to play

in the remaining eight episodes of season three, but like when Akila was recast, Achila had a big role in season two. Who can forget Nugget? Not us. Not us. Jen had like two and a half lines across these two episodes.

And as far as I can tell, it's basically just like, Jen has learned to use the rifle and hunt because Natalie has other responsibilities in the story now. Yeah. So we'll see what the recasting was for. I'm sure. I'm sure that Jen will have something to do. Yeah. I understand that she only had a couple lines, but like she's on the like on the town council. Yeah. It's like a small town council. Fucking brutal for Misty. Can you need me to take minutes? It's van. It's tie. It's not. And it's Jen. That's the leadership council. So yeah. I think Jen will have something important to do. Okay. I do want to take a moment to talk about the the structures that they're living in.

I have to believe that Akila built these. She's the one who built the crib in season two or at least supervised the building of these these exquisite structures. Like I would pay a lot of money on Airbnb to stay in a warm climate in these structures that are not like sort of watertight, but like... These were too nice.

Oh, way too nice. There's one that's just like a swirling circle. The circle is where they lost. Yeah. Like, I broadly really enjoy the too far from me. This actually just defied belief. Yeah. And then I started thinking you've already invoked Survivor.

Well, does it? Because usually within a day on Survivor, they've built a structure that while canonically established as very uncomfortable on the spine and hips. Yeah. I am always like, that looks pretty good. Well, it depends on the camp. It does depend on the camp.

And then they still end up waiting for a tarp. Yeah. They have to try to win the tarp. These looked like they would be featured in like architectural digest or something. I mean, these were stunning. Oh, an Ohio sort of writer's retreat. Yes. Yeah.

So I just don't. I just don't think that they could have pulled this off. Like, never underestimate in Achilles. She's got a lot of time on her hands. And, okay. Van in a deeply sick. Again, we must admire the arts and crafts technique jacket. situation. It's not quite a Letterman's jacket, but it will do. It was incredible.

They seem to boost the scar too. The scar seemed more prominent. Does it more prominent? Okay, you did a more close rewatch than I did. It seemed like angrier. I thought it just looks beautiful. It looked great. Yeah. Because one of the weird things for me in season two that I kept bumping on in like, sorry, they have professional like plastic surgeons. Yeah. And I guess professional architects and engineers. Like how could the scar look that good that quickly? And this felt, it still looked beautiful, but this felt to me like more where the pigment should be. So I appreciated that adjustment. And Van looked great, as always. They're killing him. Van is like, so as we assess the various roles, the leadership

roles that we have here, we've got Nat is our like our boss. She's the leader, right? Because she was chosen. Josen. Lottie is sort of like our priestess figure. She's not on the town council. She's not in the core leadership. I would say that other than her leading of the prayer, she's fairly frantically, like trying to reestablish her connection. She no longer hears the wilderness that doesn't speak to her. And as a result of that and Natalie's ascension, Lottie is missing that power and looking for it. Would you say that Lottie, do you feel like Lottie had a role to play in Nats' ascension?

Or do you think that happened independent of Lottie? I think that that whole stretch in season two where, Shana pummeled Lottie's face into a state very reminiscent of the venison stew that she spit in in this episode. And Lottie was so ill and everything happened with, you know, if I die, like, eat me, let me save you. And then no, this isn't what I wanted with Javi and everything. Not hearing the wilderness anymore, that crisis of faith. And then that filling of the gap. The people who Natalie did not want that, right?

I don't want it. I don't want it. Natalie's our John. Lottie unsure now how to proceed. But Nat was the preeminate. I mean, there were a lot of Shana and Nat plot lines in season two where they challenged Lottes for different reasons. Shauna with the baby, Natalie, because of Travis.

But they were constantly challenging the idea of her supremacy and the way that she held the group in thrall, right? And in her sway. So like, that... inherent conflict in their outlook, I think positions them as like unlikely to ever be in lockstep with each other. Absolutely not. I just feel like Lottie, inside of the ritual of everything, I feel like Lottie sort of set Nat up to be the leader, right? Yeah, definitely. And then like the resentment is like, ruining the day that she did that. And what we're watching then in this sort of like

springtime super functioning society is like what does a NAT leadership? What does, what is it like rationality? Is that what you would say Nat is, you know, versus the like chaos of a Lottie leadership versus the brutality of Ashana leadership? You know, like what do these various versus whatever it is that Tye thinks that she can bring to the table.

And they all think they'd be better. Tye. Taya for sure. And Shauna definitely think it would be better than that. And I'm sure Lottie believes that as well. How could it not be me? You know, Shana scrawling it in her journal previously. Sean is really pushing.

pushing some things in this episode. Okay. And so Van is sort of this like MC Master of Ceremony sort of like a gregarious performer kind of character. I really like the comparing her performance here

as sort of when she says our annual winter solstice and Achilla's like annual. That was an incredible little moment. Sorry summer solstice yeah. Because the horror adhering the word annual but like Van, even though like throughout the rest of the episode

there's a still insistence we will be foul, we will get out of here, it will be okay. That resignation has creeped and seeped its way into just their very speech. Yeah. Like this is our new tradition. We're just going to be here at this time next year. Right. Like that's a horrifying sign that they just think this is life now.

I love not only obviously the cuts between Van and Shawna, which have the very practical. Okay, catching us up on what we missed, but also, again, that establishing of the the rivalry, the tension, where is there a new fissure? The other thing I loved about it was this very Lord of the Flies-esque myth-making. You know, the way that the stranded will start to hit the phase where they go from fear and terror and resistance to the embrace. Well, this is the society we have forged and aren't we the heroes because we made it, because we've lived. Were the chosen? Yeah.

There were miracles. Like, we lost people, sure, sad. But the wilderness chose. Yes. It was not our, we didn't kill our friends and eat them. The wilderness shows. And the miraculous bounty that we received in exchange, but makes it worth it. Right.

That was like the main, there was, the contrast between what Van was saying and what Shaana was saying, Sean is personal agitation. Yeah. To put it mildly, et cetera, et cetera. But the main place that they overlapped with this idea of like, and then miracles occurred. Right. Right. Well, but Shauna seemed to really resent that.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And it's like, so the fact that they're, right, like, she's like, well, let's, let's, Let's look at the ledger on the sacrifice front. Yeah. Like I'm so far ahead or I guess behind the rest of you and what I have lost. Yeah. I lost my best friend.

I lost my baby. So how dare you all invoke the idea of sacrifice, even though, of course, everybody has suffered greatly? The fact that within a few minutes of this episode kicking off, we got that level of vitriol and misery and anguish from Shawna along with like the, I thought just genuine, hysterical top-tier comedy of because she bites Marry's hand. And Mari's like, I was just a decoy bitch. And Shauna's like, that's backwards, you moron. Yeah. No matter how sad Shauna is, she never misses the ability to just like issue a withering barb. She's the best.

Shana at the top is restaurant is something I'm really excited to talk about in a second. Okay. So good. Part of the myth making that you're referencing, part of this like, you know, story that Van is telling that we hear at the beginning of the episode, we have cast a villain. and it's coach Ben. A murderous psychopath, a monster. Burned our home. Or did he?

Yeah, or did he? Seems like maybe not. But that is like extremely important that we have cast a villain. It's not just like, it's not us versus the harsh wilderness. It's all of we girls plus Travis versus this bearded man in the woods who is our enemy. who Nat is protecting, which is going to be bad for her leadership position. Going to be tough for Nat.

Yeah. Okay. What do we want to say? Okay. The girls are sunbathing. Some of the girls are sunbathing. This made me think of Shannon on loss. Of course.

I had to say. I love you, Shannon. I'm thinking of you always. But here's Amari, who is sunbathing, who won the game. So she gets to be, they get to be queens for the day, and the losing team has to be their servants. And she says,

Jeeves, could you bring a bottle of some berry wine over here? And here's my question about Mari. Do we think she knows who Jeeves is? And later she makes a silence in the land's reference. Yes. So is Mari supposed to be our culture vulture? But then we're about to get to an incredible line detailing how stupid Mari is. So is Mari pop culture savvy but life skills stupid?

Or like what's the deal with Mari? Great question. Or is this just the writers. Sometimes writers. just like to be like, I know references, so I'll put them in there. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, it's, I'll accept it and allow it no matter what just because we now get to say, you know, it pops its knee back into place.

It does this whenever it's told. So that's a thrill for us. But it could be that Mari is actually a consumer of culture, a student of the world, and that all of these other people in her life who just kind of think she's an asshole, like to call her dumb. I think knowing Pop-Colars. references makes you really smart and everyone should honor that. Ask Jeeves, by the way, which was a like search engine, was found in 1996, which is right when they crashed. So it's possible that she knows Jeeves because, not because of P.G. Whathouse, but because of AskJews.com. All right. So this is what Shauna says, I can't believe we didn't eat her first about Mari. Maybe my favorite moment in the history of the show. And then has a moment where she was like, oh, maybe that's even too far even for me. But Mel, Melissa seems into it.

And Melissa's like, I can play. And Melissa says, this is my favorite line. Mari's so dumb. I heard she like chipped her tooth on a vibrator. Remarkable stuff for Mel. What were the vibrators made of back in 96 before this plane took off? There are hard plastic vibrators. But I don't know the history of the material of a vibrator.

Hobbiton drags and Gmail.com. Yeah. Great moment. I would you remember that this entire series opened with Shana in the present day, masturbating. Organically. On her daughter. No, she had a sex ex-st-on.

On her daughter's bed. While looking at a photo. Yeah. Of her daughter's boyfriend. On her daughter's boyfriend. Totally fine. Yellow jackets. Okay.

Tossed it into the laundry basket after she was done. I forgot about it. Thank you. Thank you for reminding. Mallor wants you all to know that she re-watched every single episode of season one and two. Yellow Jack. That's what I remember. And how much else I've retained who could say.

Okay. Akela shows up with this Fern Crown. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That Lottie has sort of, like, instructed her to make for Shawna. And Sean was like, fuck off. Yeah. The Fern Crown goes on the ground.

Melissa steps on it. Again, Melissa really trying to curry favor with Shana. Yeah. And that's like, that's the old, you know, you'll prove it with your actions. Yeah. Yeah. She just crushed that thing. That was great.

And she was sort of like aligned with Akila last season, Melissa. Like, you know what I mean? She and Akela as like the younger The JV, they're the JV girls, right? Yeah, Kila came up. Yeah. So the The fact that Lottie, this was really striking to me.

But again, it felt right that even though some things have changed in the power dynamic, this like essential thing about Lottie has not. Yeah. Shana could not have been clearer in season two that she did not like, appreciate or want Lottie to be interesting. in her child in this way, right? The whispering to her womb as Shauna napped, the blanket with the symbol on it. I mean, we didn't want that either. Nobody wanted it. Nobody wants Loddy to do anything ever, and yet she keeps getting away with it. And so then to make this headdress for

Shauna and have Akila as the messenger say, well, you know, because like you're his mother. It's about the baby again. This is outrageous. Lani has set my blood pressure through the roof inside of this episode with her constant mushroom teeing. And then we should note, so she's got this interest in the child, as she calls it, when they're doing the service. Yeah. But episode ends with Lottie in the present day, sort of cozily ensconced with Shana's other child with her daughter. So this is the most insidious thing happening through two episodes to me. Because one of the really deeply harrowing stretches of that Lottie, Shana Baby,

stretch of season two was the specific moment where Lottie's like, she keeps saying he, right? Like, has, you know, had visions, has a sense of the future for this child. The fact that the child that dies is actually really the shaking of the faith moment

for Lottie, right? Oh, I got it wrong. Something, I missed something. I've lost my connection. Yes. Exactly. So for Lottie to say like, you're going to change everything. Yeah. About the baby. And now, and this happened in the woods. Like we talked about the way that Lottie looked at Cali when she saw her in the woods in the season two finale.

And now the way that she's looking at her in their home, high comedy on just the like arrival at the Sadeki home. But this part was fucked up and like you just know that Lottie is like, oh, I wasn't wrong actually. I was just late. Because it's this kid instead. I don't know that I believe. Yeah, exactly. Like, horrifying. 100% that she's got her eyeballs and Chana's other kid.

You understand better than anyone. But I think that like, do you think that Lottie is lying about? because she has all this family money. Like, I don't think she's destitute with no place to go. She just wants to be in her alley. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

We agree. We're having a chord. Okay. I mean, those sunshine honey coffers must be full still. Absolutely. That farmer's market was a bustling. One trip to the differently said asylum is not going to bankrupt your coffers. You know what I mean?

Differently sane was. Van got some good ones in this episode. Remarkable. Remarkable. Solace fees. Mm-hmm. The girls plus Travis are dressed up in outfits that remind us a lot of the vision sequence of them feasting like Maynads, like Greek gods and goddesses on Jackie in season two. And so we get this sort of like...

Snacky. Let's adhere to the canon. I agree, but like, Snacky is when she's like an ear. Yeah, Zachie is the armbringle phase. When she's like a whole feast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's like a brisket.

Jackwit, a banquet. I didn't get there. Okay, we tried. But anyway, so they're dressed in these cloaks sort of reminiscent of that. They look amazing. Everyone looks incredible. This was my breaking point. Yours was the TPs look too nice.

My question is, where did all these white sheets come from? There are other things that they've repurposed on the show that I'm like, I believe. So Akela has this sort of like knotted knit poncho thing that could have been made of scraps of anything. That made a lot of sense to me. Where did these white sheet cloak things come from? I have no idea. None. And, like, the cabin catches fire so quickly.

They're all just desperately trying to, like, grab the pot. There wasn't a robust linen closet in that cabin in the first place. Fresh white linens in the creepy dead hunters forest lair. So, yeah, I don't know. I did like, though, if we can accept that that just, frankly, does not make sense and shouldn't be possible. Okay, great. I did like that shifting of, you know, the Jackie feast. the way that we were cutting between the horror of, you know, the blood gushing down their chins to, oh, it's berry juice and, oh, the stignified feast and this.

Yeah. We're no, like, we're not, yeah. And like, we're no, we've exited the phase of making this palatable by glancing at it through the lens of symbolism. There's no shield anymore. Like, they have cloaked themselves and embraced, again, like, this is what we, this is what we will tell ourselves. We will hold the festival. We will hold the feast. And it just feels like a really effective way of much more so than just the weather is warm

and the hair is longer showing us how time has moved and showing us how their psychologies have shifted in terms of where they are in their circumstance. So I like that part of it a lot. But I was like, where the fuck did all of that stuff come from? I do want to note that Aquila is wearing the Fern Crown, the previously crushed now on Akila's head, Fern Crown. And later we will have Havi sort of like, I wrote on my notes several different times, feed Akela to Lottie. Worrying. Very worrying. But my question is like, do you see a path, you know, as we, we don't think that's going to stay in power the whole time?

No, certainly not. You know, she's got a big, you know, big old secret she's sitting on, et cetera, et cetera. We don't know who the final antler queen is. Right. Mm-hmm. You know, and there's a lot of, we know it's not Misty, not you Misty, but there's a lot of great. theories, is it Lottie, is, again, is it Shauna, is it Thai, you know, etc., etc.

Could it be Akela? Is there... Interesting. Or is she, could she be an interim leader of some kinds? Yeah, I mean, I like that. The thing that it made me think when Travis tells Lottie, like, it has chosen someone else. It, you know, it has, oh, this is why the animals,

she's already closer. It just made me think like the clock was ticking on Akela and she was. we're going to feast on the kilo? I don't want that. Because what does it mean? Ultimately, typically, what does it mean when it chooses? It's very rarely like a good thing.

It chooses, but there's a whole card system. And we're not going to do this until the frost-its again. You know what I mean, right? Well, you know, that's a question. That is a great question. Because Mari's like, we don't do that anymore. We don't have to. We've got all this game.

We have a very, you know, like if there were a restaurant here, they'd be hitting us up as one of their, like, local farm sources. That's a great question. Are we going to feed on a girl? And they want it. Not Travis. Travis gets to live. We know that for a while. But like, so it's a girl on the menu and is it going to happen before it has to happen? Right. Because they could tell themselves they, well, Jackie was already dead. They had to eat Jackie. Right. And Havi fell into the lake. Couldn't waste him. I mean, we could have saved him, but we didn't. We watched him drown, but that's okay.

Okay. Oh, man. Lottie leads a memorial for three dead. Havi, Jackie, the child. Not Crystal, I guess. This is an outrage and a scandal. Crystal at least gets a mention from Misty where Missy's like, so many people have disappeared without a trace. Including Crystal. I love the cut to Misty's face when during fans previously on, which is like, and we survived the ship bucket.

It's like, not all of us. Not Crystal. But not everyone knows that. And they didn't have any mention here either of just all the people who had died in the crash. So they're only here with the grave sites that are here. Well, but also these are specifically like sacrifices to. to the it, right? Yeah.

Jackie fed the it. Havi fed the it. The child fed the it. Right? The plane grass was just, Laura Lee was just a crazy random happenstance. Leonard just caught fire. Shout out Laura Lee.

Okay. We will get to all the mushroom tea, Travis, a little bit in the second, but we get that horrible chittering noise that you mentioned. And then we get So here's my theory or my question. I will survive by cake is one of the best songs of all time.

This was great. Yeah. Wonderful here. Really good. I mean, always strong music. Always strong needle drops and yellow jackets. But this was a very strong double premiere on the needle drop front. Their music budget.

Incredible. Incredible. Okay. Do you think that there's a chance that the sounds are everyone who's died so far? Because we get like. Oh, the baby. be crying. We get a roar, which could be the bear. Excuse me. Brain dead bear. We hear the birds chirping, which could be the sparrows who fell. Yeah. Like, is, are these

the ghosts? Because like, Travis, when he's muttering later, like, I don't want to, like, I don't want to see, and I don't want to see them, like, again. There's this, like, kind of ghost-like quality, like the return of something. Something we went back and forth with on season two constantly, like, is there a non-supernatural explanation for this? Right. We were trying a lot with the and it had to do with like the minerals in the ground and stuff like that, you know what I mean? Like, is there something that could make all of these birds fall from the sky? Is there something real that could make that noise?

Or is your only guest, it's the ghostly whales, it's the death rattle of everyone we've lost so far? So Travis, no matter what, Travis has a premonition. Like he touches the tree, he's high on the mushroom tea, he looks up at the spindly branches and he hears this exact thing. I don't know if I would say like, I would have like it's so subjective. Sure. Yeah. Because Lonnie says, is this what you heard? Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And he's high on mushrooms.

He is. Yeah. So is this the same exact thing. I, in terms of the what else could it be, I did like the in story speculation. Could it be something eating Mari? That was a fun moment. So we know what's like the creatures and the accolade in, you know, in the night episode? Like, well, I mean, what makes this sound? It could be like there could be speakers and it could be like a thing that people are piping in to freak them out. The others. Are we getting the others this season? We have to get others. We've got tree friends. We've got a supply drop. A lot of supplies. So there's like an organization that is aware that there is there are people in the wilderness. What are they doing, studying? And what would they gain by scaring or scaring off people?

with a really loud sound. Well, and those same people could be the ones who burned down the cabin. Again, it could be the force of it. It could be the wilderness, the darkness. It was time to cast them out. I just like that's always wondering whether or not there's like a non-supernatural explanation.

You know, if there are people lurking, Harvey's friend or otherwise, like that just still of all the moments, the many most, you think back to when they spotted the cabin in the first place. And it's like, sure, maybe just the sun hit the window in that way. but did it? Or was someone actually like moving the glass to get their attention and lure them?

Like that's always felt really, really, really present. And I love that idea that they, that someone could be piping the sound to intentionally like drive them to another break and to, because the fact that they are in the state of relative calm, you have to then incite fear. Yeah. Terror uncertainty to destabilize them again. I think it's interesting because like if if they're being studied by someone, if they're, if like the stimuli exist to study the psychology of like what would happen to these people in the woods, how quickly can we drive them to eating their friends or like whatever. That's very much the plot of the Amazon show The Wilds, you know, that they were like, we found out in that show the wilds that like these girls who had crashed in a plane on an island in that show that was canceled. They were like basically two competing were kind of doing lost but teenage girls shows. And it was the wilds on Amazon and this over here.

And the wilds they were being, they're like psychologically observed. And we found out at the end of season one of that again, canceled show that there was a boy island that was also being observed. Right. So like would they do that given that that it was so close to that show, but that show is canceled. So who cares, I guess. Or if indeed they are doing this, did they make the point? plane crash? Right.

Or are they just taking advantage of the fact that... Or do they even exist? Right. All good questions, I think. Still doesn't make sense that the plane wasn't found. Like, Misty destroys the transponder, but like a while after they crash. Yeah. Okay.

Where did all those white cheeks come from? We have still questions. The search for Mari, we don't need to go into it because we've covered a lot of this stuff. We know that Ty thinks she would be a better leader. We know that Misty figures out that... Nat is hiding, knowing about Coach Ben. So here's my question for you.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, we do have the line and this kind of helped them cover this base a little bit when Ty and Van are talking and they're like, Nat won't even let us look for Coach Scott. Because my question is like, I don't find it probable that he's too close to not have been found by any of them. How close is he? Mari ran into his pit.

Yeah. But how long was Mari like throwing her hisy? I mean, how far could she possibly have gotten in the dead of night? She's running pretty quickly and captured the bone. And Nat and Misty, they reach that snare. So it just feels like they're like pretty close together. And obviously, he's living underground. He's living in the secret caves.

But if this is his hunting area, like, again, they covered it technically by making it clear that Nat's the only one looking. We can deduce from how she responds to seeing this trap that she's stumbled upon others and done nothing about it. But I just don't buy that Nat says to them, don't look for Coach Scott and nobody else comes across any sign of him if there are two things like this approximate to them. Now, the pit was he had just discovered it. So maybe he had not been in that area previously. But I don't know. That just felt like I do think through two seasons and now two episodes, they're like some of it, of course, with the necessity of needing to look for Javier, look for food,

they can stay closer to home because they have what they need right now. But they're like constantly wandering around and like exploring and looking for stuff. So that just felt a little odd to me. Mari asked the reasonable question. Did you even smell the smoke? Yeah. Maybe he was just underground that whole time except when he got food. Yeah.

Or like, yeah. I don't know how far he is. Right. You're right that they. Why do you think Nat is protecting him? Is it because she still cares despite being like, I never really knew him? We never spoke.

Is it because she can't face the judgment in his eyes again, the way he looked at her when she was like, they had this connection. And then he was like, you come with me, you're not like them. And she's like, we're going to go happy. Sorry. You know. And so I think that that sort of like, yeah, it was real you're not like other girls energy from coach to Nat.

And I think she's just sort of like I want to, I don't want to be exactly like them. So I'm going to protect him in that way. That's what it seems like to me. How long till they find him? Episode four. Oh, oh my God, that's soon. Okay. Exciting.

How long can Marie and Ben be off on their own little side adventure? Who gets eaten first? Coach Ben or Akila? Ben. Yeah, but we said that all season two. I know. We were like a fucking lot. Ben's next.

Ben's next. He's still here. You're right. All right. Let's talk about Lottie and Travis. We don't have to dwell too long here. I just found this like all particularly dark, given that we know after both Nat and

Travis will struggle with addiction issues. Yes. And so the fact that she's pressing this mushroom tea on him when he actively does not want to drink it. And then she comes up to him again with the fucking tea when he's like crying and cradling Mortimer. Yeah. And he's like, I hurt you. Like I don't want to be this person. I tried to hurt you.

Get a fucking clue and stop, Lottie. Yeah. She won't. Awful. But like deep, like intentionally. aggravating, you know? Yeah, again, like Lottie doesn't care about Travis. Now, their relationship has always been fascinating

from the, you know, hand to the heart, couldn't help it, I got a boner moment. When they screwed off together earlier in the episode before we found out they were doing these mushroom tea adventures, I was like, are they walking? Like, are they going out to fucking wilderness? Yeah, yeah. And just the presumptuous, because Travis is like,

oh, everyone's going to look for R.A., I still know the woods really well. Van and Taya'll come with you. And Lottie's like, you go on ahead, I need him. Like the presumption. Yeah. Like she owns him. Yeah. But it frustrates me about Travis, too, because, like, I do feel a lot of empathy for him. He lost his father. He lost his brother. Like, he took a bite of his raw heart. He's carrying a lot.

Bite of his brother's heart. Yeah. Who am I? That's a heavy thing to carry. He's the only guy there that's like a sort of tenuous social position and stuff like that. Fucked Jackie. Then she died. Yeah. Finally fucked that. And he saw a lot of really strange visions of bright lights and Lottie. while they were having sex. He's really gone through it. But I think that, like, I'm just frustrated. I understand why I sort of, like, a few people are under her thrall. But I just wanted Travis to say no.

Yeah. And he never did. And he couldn't even say no. He had to, like, throw Akela to the wolves rather than, like, say, get the fuck out of my face with that mug of tea. I don't want to do this anymore. Well, it's sad. I'm not, like, mad at him. It's devastating. And right down to, you know, we know that that's not going to change.

Like, we know that when he dies, I mean, I guess we still have some questions about the truth of what we saw there from Ladi, what we were able to see inside of Lottie's mind and what Vosos told Nat, et cetera. But this idea of like Lottie and Travis still being in contact and Travis in theory, if we can believe Lottie's account of it, confiding and Lottie about this desperate need to try. try to commune with the wilderness and touch death, like, for three decades. Like, this was part of his experience. It's just really heartbreaking. However, he did get to basically hear the ends. Okay, Silver lining. So that's something.

That is something. Mari and Ben. As I mentioned, Ben lives. He has a beard. He's fashioned himself some very comfully padded crutches. I thought I was just like, I mean, shout out to the TP construction, the mysterious white sheet cloaks, all that sort of stuff like that. but the exquisitely wrapped yellow jacks, it's like gear padding on his crutches, I was very impressed with that.

I can't believe that his garments remain intact because he doesn't like have, they're all trading clothes and swap and clothes and he's just like got. There's just Ben sized one set of Ben Size clothing. I mean, he had his suitcase initially and I guess maybe like, you know, Coach Martinez is et cetera. But he left. Like he didn't get to go past. up all of his stuff. He had some stuff that he set out with. But he's just rocking his windbreaker and holding on to those crutches. And it's amazing. But now he's got a lot of new supplies.

What like, Ben, who seemed like he was setting himself up for a big adventure in Seattle. Like, he had so many condoms. So many condoms. He had so many condoms. So like how many changes of clothes did he also bring? You know what I mean? It didn't seem like he was planning on wearing clothes very often. Honestly. Well, you got to like at first to lure and then, you know, okay. Anyway. Um, he found, he found, he found, he was. He found, he was. He found, he was. He was. He was. He finds these cases full of supplies. And they say KUH on them. Yeah. And they're full of general supply is sort of the sort of brand name on the thing. Yep. Get any guesses as to what KUH might mean or how the crates got there, who were there for, or anything you want to note about the contents. We got some batteries, some bear spray, some ropes, some lights, some protein bars, some mac and cheese, etc.

of robust supply. I tried. It was impossible. But, and then, you know, we see the, we see him open one crate when he's down in the pit. And then there's that shot of him up above where we see there are three. Yeah, multiple cases and then looked like maybe like a water jog or something. Then he had to drag. Great.

Great system. Great system to tie the rope and drag. Ben, he's a thinker. Yeah. Innovator. What does KUH stand for? I have no idea. We both, of course, like, this is so Dharma-coated.

This is very, finding these supplies with this. Yeah, incredibly losty. I mean, right down to kind of it being down inside a hatch in a way. A supply drop. Yeah. With black and white, generic branded supplies. Yeah. With apologies to the beachcraft in season one, I think is the most overt lost moment we've had.

More so than Lottie and like her fever vision actually literally opening a metal hatch. Yes. Yeah, you might be right. I think so. So those are like one A and one B. The supply drop. Yeah. of generically branded.

Yeah, it's so a Dharma. Should they alphabetize it? Should the mac and cheese go for mac and cheese or cheese? Great stuff for Misty. So I think this is really good fodder for what you were saying a few minutes ago about the idea of their being, not just like others, but that they have a purpose, right, a mission, that there is a group. And they're going to be out there for a while.

Right. Supply, sustenance, to be ready for the unresolved. unexpected. This is under a tarp in a hole in the ground, under wooden planks, under moths and dirt. Like, who knows how many other similar stashes there are out in the wilderness? Also, how long has that been there? Yeah. And so, like, and that's a good example saying maybe we could actually, when we have it up on the proper streamer, maybe we will be able to actually, like, see a date on one of those or something. Who knows?

I think that's possible. And then each drag hunters hit us up. But it could just be like, you know, the hunter in the cabin, like put supplies out somewhere or other people who live there at some point had their supplies in the wilderness. It had a very like either military or like, yes, secret scientific community vibe to it. The Karma University. I love it. Of Hawaii. Love it.

Okay. Great. I'm just going to call it Karma University now as our Dharma Initiative stand in. Okay. Ben saying Goddammit Mari cut it out. I should have clipped that. We might need it for the future. And this is a little tease for our Romantasy pod.

I've been like mainlining the Rebecca Yaros books so that I can finish them in time for our romantasy pod that we're recording tomorrow. You passed me. I did buy by the past you. I told you you would and you did. I read almost all three books in two weeks, I think. It was fourth wing was a weird. Fourth ring was a reread. But Violet Sorangale, who's a character in his books, dislocated her knee.

I read that page in the same hour that I saw Mari's knee get dislocated on Yellow Jackets. And I was like, thanks. Okay. The wilderness wanted me to know that you could just pop back in. But here's the thing. Can you? You just pop back in. Now, I did genuinely for like my own self-preservation.

Did you just pop it back in? I did not want to Google knee disloatheaval. location. Like I don't want to see these gross pictures. I don't need to actually know. You don't want to watch a video. And I am not a doctor. No, I'm not a doctor. So I'm sure that they're right and I'm wrong. Here's the one thing I will say. I watch, I think, clearly more football than the people who make yellow jackets. That's apparent to me after this. Yeah. Because if a knee is dislocated in a football game, you are done. We're talking shredded. It's like the most devastating injury you can have. It's taking a lot of the

ligaments with it. You're out for more than a season sometimes, multiple surgeries. So Mari just popping it back in and then kind of sort of limping a little bit has been dragged her later. She's like carrying on totally cogent conversations and luxuriating in a mug of hot chocolate. She should be beside herself in anguish. Maybe women can just tolerate more pain than professional NFL players. I don't believe that. It's Fine. Okay. Mortimer quacking is a caption we got before we were even introduced to Mortimer. Sweet Mortimer. Yeah. Akela's walking towards the camera with Mortimer in her arms and the caption says Mortimer quacking.

And I was like, did they just name a duck Mortimer? And then we find out that that's true. Is that caption better than when Mari finally gets a hold of the hot chocolate and we get moaning and slurping from Mari? We had some really loud, enthusiastic gulping of beverages across these two episodes, the Mari hot chocolate, Misty chugging that Benadryl milk from crudgeonedon, credidine punch. That looks like just like absolute pepto. So gross. The payoff of Misty just on the kitchen island. Not the grossest thing still on this is a decade kitchen island.

Have I ever told you about this? holiday that my friends and I invented once. Is it about vomit? I don't understand that I'm so alarmed by this transition. My friend eight years ago, years, years, years ago, he was like, he was like, we drink whiskey on St. Patrick's Day. Okay. Et cetera, et cetera. He's like, but I really like vodka.

He was like, we should have a vodka drinking holiday. And so he came up with Rasputin's Day, which we used to celebrate on Resputin's either birthday or reported death day. there are many. Okay. We made up a song about it, which I can sing to you sometime. Please. And then we all got together and we would get together once a year wear red and drink vodka-based drinks.

The first year that we did it. Yeah. Our friend Vivian showed up late to the party with a tray of jello shots. Okay. And we were already well into the evening. And then we ate the jello shots. What flavor? Then we read.

We all died because so a clear rule of respect. I'm not advocating. any of this is very irresponsible behavior. A clear rule of breastbeys day should be you eat the jello shots first. You don't, you should always start with the jello because they will sneak up on you. You cannot eat them later when you've lost sensation in your mouth. Okay. So, wow.

The streets ran red, like red. So when she mommed it up and I was like, oh, she drank the red. You don't drink the red. How long did you stay away from jell shots after that? Like, did you develop an aversion? or no? I will only ever have like one jello shot and it must. I believe I had a jello shot with you in Austin, Texas last year. But it must be first.

Okay. Interesting. You start with a jello shot. Thank you for sharing this with us. What a beautiful tradition know about my red vomit. Shorty is. I mean, I heard about your cotton candy excursions. I have. This is my version of 17 mini cotton candies is that time that the streets ran red with.

I just tell you how much I love an icy because sometimes I do have a few still to this day taste diversions from things I ate when I was a kid and got sick from. But the red icy, the cherry I see. It's not one of them. I was my mom and I went to a movie. Yeah, you know what I do at a movie theater. It's sick. It's so ungodly. And that's been my routine for some time. And just went to the movie with my mom, had all my favorite snacks, including a very large red icy, got home. We were hanging out in her bed watching. TV. I just turned to the side and just puked everywhere. And has that stopped me from going back to the red ice? No. I mean, I was like maybe 11. But I remember it's still. I remember it's still. This does remind me to ask you though because we, I mean, this is not the part of the episode we were even talking about. But we'll this stay in the episode. Who can say? Because of the ben. Because we're talking about the allergy medicine. The coach benedron. Yeah.

Checkoffs, you know, the payoff of checkoffs, why is the Benadry on the pantry was immediate. But the other thing that Misty pulled out was expired dog medicine. And I'm just like, it's not to me a question of if Shawna gives that to someone at some point or if Misty gives that to someone at some point. It's just when and who. Not only that, but rewatching it in the Sedecki kitchen when Shauna's got the bag of classic lays. And Jeff's like, did you smoke chronic? There's a pantry POV shot of Jeff. We're inside that pantry in episode one as well.

So like... And most importantly, I mean, sure, we can speculate about the eventual ramifications of the expired dog medicine. But the true important thing was that Jeff Riley was like, yeah, our daughter's not okay. This isn't normal. We just, we don't close these now? Yeah. We just leave these open now. Is this a pet peeve of yours?

I feel very strongly about this. Adam leaves the kitchen panos, the kitchen cabinets open all the time. Now, he will be... I'm like, what are we in the six cents? Close the cabinet. He's very tidy and I'm actually the messy one. But the one thing he does is he leaves the kitchen cabinets open. And yet when I have a bathroom drawer open,

I'm in the middle of using it, you will close it. Why? I don't understand. I definitely go around closing cabinet doors behind someone. That is something I will do. Okay. I think we've done everything. We've moaned and we've slurped and we've had hot cocoa.

And we should say, though, that like Mari as much pain she's in as perhaps perturbed, she is to have been, oh, I don't know, pitted and hogtide. How alluring will the promise of further hot chocolate be? Like, what kind of power can you wield if you have access to fucking sugar? She lost her marbles because she has not had high fructose corn syrup in months, you know? I know she's like, it's been a while since I've chipped a tooth on a vibrator, but, you know, I don't need to be on a liquid diet, but I like to be. Oh, Mari. Get in the pit.

Here's my other bad question for you Because he's like basically like I just need I need time Right? I just like I just need to think I need time He says to her we hear him kind of muttering A very fever pitch version of it But did you

Where are you on the cabin burning thing? Because he, no I don't He had some shifty eyes But it doesn't mean he's lying It seemed like he was almost like alarmed That he didn't know this happened Right Unless he

Like if he's talking to a tree friend And the tree friend burn the cabin or whatever And he's agitated about that Right Unless he did it in a fugue state, I do not believe he did it because he was genuinely like, what do you mean? Right. So that is possible, though, that, like, he's just having this conversation with himself. 100%.

Will they do that given that we have, like, the tie, we have dual ties? Will they do that with another character? I don't know. I don't know. How good do you think his Gellum and Smeagel impression is? Because I would like to see it. Lord of the Rings hasn't come out yet in this world. Can you see?

But who's to say any circus didn't get his inspiration for? coach bed. I mean, the way that he looked at that peanut butter protein bar, he didn't actually say, but it was implied. Oh, it might as well have been the closed captioning. Okay. So neither of us think Ben actually burned to cabin. It was either a genuine accident. One of the girls did it. Could have been the wilderness. Could have been KUH general supply. Havi's friend. Any number of other. Carmi University. Carmi University. I just, I like it. Okay.

It's sticking. We're going to present day. Thrilling. Everyone, except Misty. Yeah. Is involved in, uh, it's, it's not memorial service. Callie has gone to school. We'll get back to Callie in a second.

Um, after smoking some chronic. Um, but... Do you want to know one calls with that anymore? You have to stop saying. It's not some memorial service, but her body has already been cremated. And I don't know if that detail is in there to help us understand the passage of time, like, why has it been six weeks and they're only now having the memorial service? Or if it's to cover the fact that Juliette Lewis is like, no, I will not show up

to lay in a casket. You better burn that body. Even if you have ice stones. Yeah. No. Just in the big picture sense, I thought one of the immediate season two is off to a sturdy, strong start in a way that filled me with renewed faith improvements over season two was that while everybody is constantly doing things where I wouldn't have done that because that's part of the point. And that's part of the point of the show. They have just wound up in the spiral. We had a lot of moments in season two, even though we really enjoyed it, where we were like, would Sean have done that?

Yeah. And I didn't feel that as much in these episodes. So I think they've corrected there in an important way, and the present timeline was like great. It was just great. And that felt like a return to form that we needed. So I was really hard. Very much. And my main note was like the fact that at the end

of episode two, we've had Shana and Ty and Van and Jeff are all together at the memorial service. And Shauna and Jeff and Lottie and Missy are all together in the Sadaki Kitchen. So like our main note in the present day timeline is like, why are you keeping them separate for so long? Yeah. And again, I feel like Mari in the Pit is the Valentine's to us. And then having everyone, like so many people in the present day timeline together in these circumstances is a gift to us.

Absolutely. Because like Van and Ty are mostly isolated. in their own storyline inside of these episodes. But the fact that they're at the memorial service and they have that sort of... They go to the bar afterwards. Like, that is important that there is this connective tissue between these characters.

At the bar, well, at the service, we should say Nat's horrible mother. This was terrible. Gets up to give the eulogy. And you just have this moment where you're like, as upset as I am and I am, like, we really didn't like the end of season two. Do not like that Nat is dead.

Again, these things happen on shows. It's un-lost. Where actors just won off the show. Sorry. We're actors just want off the show and they don't want to be there anymore. And so then you have to contort the plot to make that work. And we really all felt that. Like, their hands were kind of tied.

We really all felt that with the way that Nat exited the show last season. So I'm sad that Nat isn't there. I'm sad that Juliette Lewis isn't on the show anymore. Juliette Lewis, I come back somehow. She can't. She's cream in it. Okay. But I mean, I missed her, but I didn't miss her.

And it wasn't like the show doesn't work without her. Yeah. And she's present in her absence. Like she has such a figure and force in their lives. And of course, that is one of the really great things about the multiple timelines. It's like you still get to be with somebody even when they're gone. Well, and it's like watching Travis. Yeah.

Because we started the show with Travis. Travis very quickly, you find out is dead. Yes. And so watching Travis in the past, you're watching it with a sense of like, impending doom. Because we know who survives. We know that some of these people are not going to make it out of the wilderness.

But we know some people are just like never going to have, be able to recover. Yeah. Never have peace. Yeah. And so it happened to Travis and it happened to Nat. So now when we watch Nat,

in her most sort of peaceful, self-assured, I'm leading, yes, I'm lying about Coach Ben, but I'm leading the tribe and the wilderness sort of way. Right. To know that she's not going to make it in her adult life.

She's never going to have like sort of, I don't know if you want to call it. redemption, but peace, let's say, is a good one. She's going to die. At her funeral, her terrible mother who has outlived her, who is horrible, but lives on when that is dead. Never protected her from her father, blamed her for what happened. Yeah. Never cared for her, nurtured. And all she has to say when she gets up there is like, I push her on a, she like to be pushed on a swing and like that's what a mother does and now it's over. Like the fact that one of the,

to your overall point, which is a really important one, I love that. Like, that note that Shana hits when she's in her, when we're coming back. Oh, we can go back. Yeah. And, like, you can feel that in a lot of different ways across different moments for the characters, which is so crucial and central. Like, what you were saying about Travis earlier and the tragedy of watching him use substances and have this experience. Like, this is also just part of what was so heavy in this stretch with Nat.

I mean, there were a lot of things. Like, it's the mother. There's always that devastating thing at a funeral or a memorial of looking at. out. It's just like who's there. How few people are there. And of course, that's what like then in the next sequence at the bar, Sean is like, well, what would people say about me if I died, right? Like, she failed her family and then like her husband blossomed, you know, with her daughter messed up and her husband blossomed after she died. That's what they'll say about me. And her husband blossomed after she died. Adam's like, all these cabinets are staying open.

But like, the person who, we've heard Nat say, like, Travis was my best friend. And we saw, what losing him did to her. And, like, nobody who really knew her or loved her spoke for her. And, like, that was so heartbreaking. And I think for the, for Nat and Ty and Shauna, it's like, they do that in private because they can't do it in public, which I thought makes sense. Because they know a part of Nat that's not for public consumption. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that was actually kind of nice and private. But in general, it's just like, and everybody thinks that she died from a drug overdose. It's like the thing that Misty used to cover Jessica. Roberts ends up being the lie like oh, Natalie was an addict and Natalie died from a fentanyl overdose. And that show was so heartbreaking. It's just crushing. That's absolutely. The fact that the people who are there are there.

Yes. Not Misty. And that matters. Not you Misty because nobody told her, but also. She knew. Well, she knew. Well, she knew. But it is so fucked up that they didn't tell her.

But it is fucked up that they didn't tell her. And then they make fun of her. They're like, is she listening through the song? salt shaker while making love to her parrot. Before we get back to that, though, before we go to the bar, I just need to note that Shawna in the church says, holy fucking Christ when she sees Nat's mom, and Jeff goes church, Shauna, Jesus. I love the show.

The show is great. Jeff has never disappointed and he never will. Randy and Jeff. Here's the moment on every Yellow Jackets podcast where two women talking about a show about women, look at you and say, the two MVP's of the show. And Jen. But I mean, Van gets incredible lines in the bar, right? Shana says before we survived and Van says you can just say ate each other.

And then that's when she says Lottie's in the facility for the differently sane, which is absolutely incredible. And then we get the first of three moments where we get just, we get someone watching them. And we've had moments like that and just like a little bit of hair. Yeah. It looks blondeish to me. Yeah. Yep, like a dirty blonde. Yeah.

Yeah. Like a Mel. Like a Mel-ish. Ashy blonde. Blonde? Maybe. Like a Hillary Swank playing an adult male. But Hillary Swank's in the trailer, Hillary Swank's hair is brown.

This is the number one thing that makes me wonder if she is playing Melissa. Some like highlights? Yeah. I'm like blondeish. We've only seen like, we're kind of seeing like the halo of the hair. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, I think I love a hair watch.

You do love a hair watch. So I think we have to be on. hair watch for this. How blonde are the like fringes of the edges of someone's hair that we're seeing in these like watching versus Hillary Swank? The way that Shauna felt that she was being watched. Very good. All right. The Siddakis. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. I mean, Misty is calming for their crown, but they do remain the best. Callie ordering intestines when she hears Chloe and her shitties. Yeah. Swift eats. We got a lot of in-universe stuff. Swift eats, repo divorces.

Repo divorces, now we know a plot line, looking for the watch and instead they find sex toys in the nightstand. Come on. Was the watch going to be in the nightstand? No, the sex toys were going to be in the nightstand. Do you think they were nice silicon sex toys or like chippy tooth kind of? Could you chip a tooth. Could you chip a tooth. If one wanted.

Oh my God. So yeah. So Callie's smoking chronic and acting. and acting out at school by throwing intestines on people that she doesn't like. Shana's smoking chronic and acting out at home by, I guess, not closing cabinet doors. She, all right. Callie's yelling she's going through a lot. She's found out, as we were reminded in this episode, that her father's a blackmailer and her mother's a murderer.

I don't want to judge. You do have to do a better job of storing your joints than this. First of all, under the makeup pads, it's just so pretty. It was very aesthetic. But they're going to try out. Oh, well, it depends how quickly you use them. You think she's just going through them so rapidly that it's not a problem? Absolutely, I do.

Interesting. I feel like this is the daily morning routine for Callie. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you want her to put it in a sealed container. Yeah, I want her to have a little container.

I want her to maybe explore edibles. Put your weed in it. Some gummy. Okay. A little tougher for your mom to detect and then steal. Not much else to say. I think about the Sudakis in this plot line, except to go back to that moment.

where Callie is piling an obscene amount of whipped cream on her Sunday, and she hears someone at the door, someone's left something at the door. And it is a perhaps blonde person is watching her. Very creepy. Put all the whipped cream on there. The package says Shauna Shipman, and it's got the little, like, the symbol on it. And it's got a little tape in it, which I think is a camcorder tape. That's what it looked like to me. Too thick to be sort of like a mini cassette.

I think it's like a video tape. No clue what could be on it But it looks like, you know, a 1990s camcorder tape From Mel. From Mel. From someone. From Hillary Swank playing adult Mel. Perhaps.

Is this not where you are? You think it's too obvious? I think they're pointing us. They're pointing us in that direction. And so that makes me want to say You pivot. I mean, I got. You zag.

I'm going to zag real hard next week because between now and that I'm going to spend some time. I didn't have time to do this. Workshopping who they might have secretly cast on yellow jackets to play Mel. Like, who is blonde? Because the eye color doesn't match between Hillary Swank and young Mel. And they've been, Reddit has been on this, right?

They've been speculating this for a long time. And they're like watching the eye color. And they're like, because in the past to make these young actors match the older actress, they've used colored contacts and stuff like that. Hillary Swank has brown eyes. Young Mel has light eyes, like your beautiful eyes. Mel has blonde hair Hillary's doing his brown hair

Hair color doesn't matter Sean is a full on like ginger now in the woods I don't know I don't know like The sun is really lighten her hair But I'm open for it to be that But I'm also open to just like

Let's guess who who is Okay hobbits and dragons Atgats at Gmail.com Is there an actress of your sort of Lauren Ambrose You know Christina Ricci ilk Who like popped a bit in the 90s

who you could see as a better, I mean, Hillary's saying strong of jaw, Mel, strong of jaw. Like, there are connections that I like to make here. But is there anyone else that feels like they could be a Claire Duval, like someone else, like someone else from the 90s that feels like it could match for you that they could secretly be having lurking around? But of course, if I'm going to get into that territory, then I feel like I'm back in like, is there a secret extra episodes of Yellow Jackets in season two? I forgot about that. Which is a pit we all fell into. Oh, man. By the way.

So it probably is just Hillary Swink. I completely forgot about that. That was really a thing we thought was going to happen. They implied that it was going to happen. That was really weird. Okay. I just want to shout out on the Jeff front. Yeah.

You know, his anxiety, peaks and valleys throughout these two episodes, he's really always trying to be. He's so happy when he thinks that. Chanas was remember the dinner. Yeah, I remember their despondent when he realized that she hasn't. The fact that clearly, Sean, I know I'm jumping head now, like, only agrees to allow Lodi to stay because she thinks they'll get her out of the dinner and then it doesn't. Great stuff. But Jeff, the way that he said, we're sure they weren't human. The guts. The guts, Sean up. And Shauna said, of course. Oh, oh, oh, of course they weren't.

You can't just doornash human entrails. DoorDash? She said DoorDash. That's interesting. I thought was interesting. Yeah. So Swift Eats, I guess, is a competitor for DoorDash in this universe. Is it the Uber Eats? Maybe she shops locally. Maybe it's a local one. It's just Randy on his scooter doing his best. Great stuff. Okay. Walter and Misty. Okay. So here's the Valentine's Day present we got. We got Marina Pitt. No, what are you going to say? The smoothie. Yeah. That Shauna made for Jeff. With blooms on top. I have a note. You can't. can't just put two whole blueberries into a smoothie. It's a garnish. It's simply a garnish. It was insane. Simply garnish. What was that? Two, it's not a boba. Do you, do you think that they wouldn't do that at Airwarr? They wouldn't just like put a couple of bloops, a bloob or two on top? I don't, I don't know. When you're paying $28 for an Airwant smoothie, you're opting into just as, as though you were going to a Jolly Hitcher. Yeah. A revamp. The experience, Jolly Hitcher, of course, by the way, the hotel where Sean, and Adam first fucked because Shauna followed Jeff and Bianca. But there were strawberries.

Mallory watched all of season one and she wants you to know. There were strawberries by the smoothie. And so it's just we, I mean, our favorite Jeff moment other than there's no book club is, of course. Strawberry Loop. Could have gone strawberry. I almost did. And she went blueberry instead. Well, there were strawberries cut.

I would guess kale, maybe, or spinach for the green. Oh, yeah, yeah. Blueberries. Put some powders, I'm sure. She sort of went. He went blueberry. You went strawberry. Okay.

I'm glad that you got to talk about your guy, Jeff. I need to talk about my guy, Walter. And here's the thing. This is what I threatened in season two. I said, if they kill Walter, I will burn something down. I will burn their cabin down. I will throw them in a pit. Yes.

Do you count character assassination as the murder of a character? Because I would like to report a crime. Tell me. And I believe that we have lost touch with what made Walter great in season two. And we have just hastened our way. towards oppressively cloying Walter in order to get him out the door. And I'm also worried he's never coming back. I'm really worried about that.

Well, I don't know. So first of all, I don't know if Elijah Wood wants to be irregular in yellow jackets. I don't know. Okay. But he should. Should be in every episode. Yes. But here's my concern.

Yeah. Did not Misty send him away in season two only for him to return. Yes. How many times can they have Misty push him out for him to come back is my question. Very good. question. Here, let me present a theory to you. When in episode two, because we have, we have a series of mini, they're not on the same page. Missy is, of course, in a deep state of morning. She is carrying this immense shame and guilt over. She would burn dicks if she could.

She would light dicks on fire. She could. I lit dicks on fire. And she has. We saw it at the bar. In the guy, the other citizen detective who had the information, they poured the gas on his crotch, she was not, not. I remembered that, but when she just, like, threw a little bit of beer on them. And then just kind of plopped it down. Great stuff. I just don't, I don't think, like, a few sprinkles of bud light is going to light.

No, no. You're working with a tea light. Yeah. And, like, a few sprinkles of bud light, that's not going to get us there. She's wearing the gnat jacket at that point because Walter has, he was right to put the key down and know that that would get her out of bed. He gave himself a little smile and I was like, you were right. No, I mean, the thing is, Walter's right about everything. Right. Yeah. That's the problem. Yeah. He's right about everything, but he's pushing too hard.

Okay. So here's my theory. Let me throw this at you. When Misty gets home from the sleepover, Walter's like it's not a sleepover. It's 11 o'clock. And they let you drive absolutely hammered on red. That was fucked up. It was so fucked up. Ficked up. Missy, do you have a drinking problem and then put her in the fucking car? Shana, who is the best, is also the worst. Shana's terrible, but it was very much a character. But the everything, I think like Walter, everything he's saying to Misty is true and right. Exactly. Like, they are using you. They're never here for you when you need them.

It was devastating when he was like the bar. I'm here because they got all the way to W. Before anyone answered. I don't, you have hit pause. Tell me. What's the note? Oh, well, I don't think that. Is it that you don't go through contacts?

You would go through recent calls. And Walter would definitely just be the first call. Walter would be like the only person who ever talks to her. Yeah. I don't think they went all the way through W. I think it's possible that they might have tried other people. but like I feel like they didn't go through every single contact because no one at the bar is going through. They would throw it in the trash before they wade to get down to W.

They go to your texts or like your recent calls. So they would, I do think they would have tried Shauna and Ty and Van probably. They're in the call log, not answering. But there is an out-bler call. Not texting about the memorial service. Certainly not. Very rough. But, you know, Walter is, it's an interesting dynamic in a relationship because he's telling Misty and that's like part of what you should hopefully be able to provide a partner is like, let me help you see something clearly. these people are taking advantage of you.

They don't care for you. But he's not doing it with any finesse at all. Right. It's so heavy and like. And it's hurtful to her in this moment. To the point where it's almost, I know it's not sinister because Walter, though he has murdered people, is a, is a sweet angel baby and generally cares for her. I believe that to be true. It's like isolating. Yeah.

They don't care about you. I'm the only one who cares about you. This is like cult leader behavior of just sort of like they don't want you. I want you. I'm here for you. And so like, look how I love you. Yeah, it's too much. She's right to say it's too much. I'm team Walter so hard and this is really upsetting to me. And also, I think the thing that Misty throws back in him, which is like, if you want to be in my life, then like the things that are important to me, you have to try to understand is the other side of it. And don't air quote my friend. That was great. But like, okay, so she says to him, when this is like,

when she actually finally kicks him out and she says to him. The sign on Walters, I don't. on Caligula. Caligula's cage is not going to solder itself. It's Wednesday. And on Wednesdays, we clean Calicula's gauge. Okay. She says, Walter, sometimes I forget that you can't possibly understand relationships forged in life or death experiences.

See, us survivors, we're not sitting around keeping some petty log of who needed what when. Our bond just runs deeper than that. His face changed there in a, I thought, notable way. And my theory is now that Walter is going to pull. want to put him and Misty in a life and death experience together. So that they can have this bond. Because he, as you said, loves murder.

Walter. My hope out of season two, out of the things that happen the end of season two is that we would get more Jeff and Walter content. I mean, yeah, it was just a taste. So do you think perhaps, okay, I think you're probably right. He could try to just kill Shauna to eliminate her. I think this is, you're so,

but I think he's going to be like, Misty, let's forge that bond. I think you're so right. Does he enlist Joel McHale to do it? This is a real Heather's situation. But the other possible, I think you're probably more right. Let me just introduce another possibility, which is that he goes to Jeff because he and Jeff did survive a life in the situation together. Yeah. And he's like, we have this bond now.

We have this bond. Do you think they're going to call Randi? They can brood down together. I mean, Walter slapped Randy in the face on a boat while pretending to be an FBI agent. That's a bond. And that was great. It was. And that was wonderful.

It was wonderful. Okay. Oh, Walter. Just shout out the posters on Missy's Bedry Mall, which was in the opera and Follies, two great musicals. Again, and these are like theater. What I want to always underline about Misty's musical obsession is that she likes a stage production. She's not about the movie adaptation.

No, she's not about Eric either. She's not. She's got beef with him. What is it? All meetings are murder unless they're about murder. Yeah, she doesn't go to the board anymore. Incredible. name. Walter also says Natalie's Myers

Briggs type plus lifelong nomadic tendencies. Killer lines from Walter there. She's got fin of the opera and Follies and there's a third poster and I couldn't figure out what it was because I don't know if we've mentioned it yet but we could not pause these screeners in a way that gave us a freeze frame. So hobbits and dragons at Gmail.com if you source that third poster, I would like to know what it was. The other place that I was like I would make an offering in the wilderness to be able to get a clear freeze frame here was in the storage locker.

Like, what is Misty finding? Obviously, we know she finds the jacket because she takes it. We see like a mugshot. We see the team photo. We see some cassette tapes. But two questions. One, were there any other interesting nuggets there that we couldn't clock on the screeners?

And two, it's not like Misty got through every single box. So what is in there? Like, what awaits discovery? I don't think you take us to a storage. No. To the storage locker once whole... Just to get the jacket. The portion, the rifle yet just to get the jacket.

Something else is in there. Follow question for you. Of all the cat-based sweatshirts. Oh, the teal one. Okay. The teal one was wonderful. It was, I actually was like, I mean, as you know, I'm in my Kroenak sweatshirt face. My Nick Nelson face, I thought that was great.

And I was like, I probably am going to try to find it. Would you wear it with the leather jacket on top? I don't have a leather jacket, though. I've always wanted one. I love a jacket. Can I do your eyeliner? You can try. Misty downing seven shots of rail whiskey with the,

Thick eyeliner. That dude, by the way, am I nuts? That bartender is the carjacker guy from Shauna's, not the one who took the van. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when she went back to the chop shop and held a gun on him and he went from like, oh yeah, you're not prepared to do it to like pissing himself and quaking as he watched her and we watch in horror. Like, Shauna likes it. She wants to be in control.

She wants to hurt other people. That's that guy. Is it? I think so. Okay. I believe so. I wonder if that's like, I don't know why that, why they would do that. Hoppousandragons is Gmail.com.

They're just flushing out the universe. Maybe he moved off of... Maybe that's his night job. Shop work. Maybe he's got multiple jobs. Oh, scared straight by Shawna. Honest work. Just putting out dick fires at the local bar.

Do you have to go to school for that? No. It's a school of life. Cherry ball by the runnerways place. Well... Good stuff. Misty's housing shots of whiskey and it made me look... I just felt really ill watching that.

Life's a game, you know. We're all in the middle. You can't do your taxes this early. You can't do them early, Joe, but not this early. I almost clip that as an audio clip, but we don't have time. We're writing out of time. That's so funny. Lottie and Misty and the Sedeckis, particularly Callie and also the Jol's in present day.

We're going to do all of this. I'm going to get to Van and Ty in a second. We've talked about the bloobs on this movie. You hated it. Lottie's here. Yeah. Goop sorceress. the best. I'm calling you that from now on.

You've already called me that. And I will continue. Goop sorceress was incredible. Purple People Futon is something that Jeff says. Can't she sleep on a purple people futon? It's a fair question. It's a completely fair question. But Callie's the one who's like, excuse me.

Right. Like murder, accomplished a murder, attempted murder. Like we are a wacky modern family. Right. let's let this cult leader into our home, it'll be fine. But like everybody else, she has an ulterior motive. This isn't actually like, I mean, she has that nice line about like forgiveness. Right.

This has been a real thing. But she's like, I tell me about it. Of course. Can't wait to get Misty drunk. She wants to learn from Lottie. They're obsessed with each other. Yeah. It's not going to go well.

It's going to be upsetting. I think this was inspired though. Oh, this is a great thing to do with Cediqi home. Oh, this is a great thing to do with Calli. They, they struggled a bit in season one with the Calli. stuff, I think. And then in season two, when she got sort of wrapped into the main storyline was a bit better. But now that she's all the way in, like, this is, I think, really good. I miss Kyle.

Do you? Yeah, he got to mention from the mean girls. Yeah. Let's call Kyle and see if Callie's into freaky shit, too. But still, I do think back fondly to them, but there was like, Kyle, Cali, like, kicking him out from, you know, the couch. And he was like, what the fuck? but when she's like sleeping over at his house and she breaks up with him because he's like

various reasons but including in real time him looking at his phone and then he's like my mom just like wanted to know if we wanted a chocolate chip. You love a hot dummy. Stay tuned for a white lotus coverage. Okay. Oh my God. Missy shows up to babysit because when people call,

she answers and she's like, Lottie's here. Is this my intervention? would be flattered by that. The idea that they would care enough. This was heartbreaking. Oh, like heartbreaking.

Missy's never been to a sleepover. Oh my God. That was fucking devastating. Even, I mean, Lottie and Cali both being like never been to a sleepover. But Misty constantly allowing herself to be used by Shana, Shauna using her this way, all of them using her this way. Like for some reason it didn't hurt as much. I don't know why from Nat because Nat was at least like more direct with her like frustrated. She was like more honest with.

like how frustrated she was by Misty. And like, Shawna says stuff or van... But they were like more snickering behind her back in a mean girl way, whereas Nat is like to her face, you're the worst. Yeah. Like when Misty and Nat in the wilderness timeline in the double premiere are looking and, you know, Missy's like, we can... It's like we can pretend like we're on a road trip and you think back to like what was

happening on that actual road trip and Misty maneuvering her way in by pulling the car wires and Nat's like, you're a fucking psycho. Like why it was always like out front with them. You're right. That is a crucial distinction in the relationships. And like, I don't know, Misty just being continuing even at the end of this night to be like, I had this time with my friends. And it's just like, I don't know.

It's really crushing. I just want Missy to be okay. Even though she has, her body count is really high and she's not stable. I was thinking about this when I was like, I just want Misty and Walter to be okay. And I'm like, why do you want that? They've killed multiple people. And I also know it's never going to be. be okay for them because you can't go home again.

I don't think there's happy endings for anyone except for Jeff who's going to flourish after they're all dead. But like... Will Elijah would in this show say that they saved the Shire, but not for them? It's my old wound. But I was thinking about it. It's like when I would watch Succession, I was like, I just want these poor children to hug each other, be friends with each other.

And it was never going to, you know, I was like talking about this with with Sean and Bill and they're like, you're watching the wrong show. And I just have to keep telling myself that with yellow jackets. That's not the show we're watching. I don't think there are happy endings for any of these people at all. Misty might be getting pushed around by everyone, but let's just kind of, can we run through someone for greatest hits? Please. Lottie, looks like the pantry has never once been alphabetized.

The aforementioned M for Mac and Cheese, P for pasta, N for and cheese. Inspired. And then my favorite, so they just let you right out of the hospital, huh? So they just let you right out of the hospital, huh? Joe, it turns out they couldn't keep her for disagreeing with her religious beliefs. Just incredible stuff. This is also, I thought, better stuff for Lottie than I feel like most of season two was. Yeah.

I think this is setting Lottie, adult Lottie up to be like that performer and that character to work better inside the mix of the show. Yeah, and it's interesting, too, to track across both timelines. I like that we're Lottie is in and out of a, not even just the tether between this like either supernatural or the visions or the hallucinations or her faith, whatever rapper you want to put on it. But like her fear of that or her embrace of it. You know, in season two when, and we find out, of course, that there are hallucinations, but when it seems briefly like she is going to see her doctor. I would just like to put on the record that I always thought that therapist was fake. Your regular guys on a sabbatical. But don't worry.

It's me. I'm here. Delusion doctor. And I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't ignore those visions. Lottie was expressing terror, right? Like, I can't go back. The things that happened were not things that she wanted to invite again when she makes her offering. Let this be enough.

like please can't this be enough and then we build toward of course her bloodlust to pull the card and go on the hunt and offer shana up the great moment in this episode and callie's like were you really going to kill my mom and missy's like well and lot he's like actually yes i mean it chooses it chooses it chooses and so right now she is in such an active uh phase of believing again that this is important that it is necessary and like we hear her say to Travis in the past, if we don't know, how can we give it what it wants, right? And so to understand that for Lottie, this is like the ebb and flow, it's not like she establishes that clarity and that it maintains it forever. It's a constant process of feeling like she's lost that understanding and seeking it anew and that's dangerous for her and other people. Something that's also really important for her particular Myers-Briggs personality test is when we met Lottie in season one, she's a rich girl, but like in this really

cold, isolated kind of home. And so this idea of her desire for connection community and like the idea of being connected to the very roots of the trees, like the wilderness is your connection. Or you've got a whole commune of purple people. That is your family. You've built this like community around her. And then here she shows up, again, we don't think completely on the level. But here she shows up to like embed herself inside of the Sedecki family. It's just sort of like Yeah. Will that connection to Callie, will it fill that need that she has to feel connection? Or is she so stuck in this sort of delusion of her own importance or, you know, she does not buy any of the explanations of Yellow Jacket season one and two that do not involve the supernatural. For sure. You know, all of that.

Or will Shauna just poison her with the expired dog medicine because she doesn't want her near her kid? And that's a wrap on Lottie. Or is Lottie going to go on repo divorce days? Who's to say? They're all very messy, but they're fun to watch. So there's all of that. Okay. Meanwhile, the best best business dinner ever.

Shana, understandably perturbed that she has left Kelly alone with Misty and Lottie is constantly on her phone. And we meet Joel and Nathan, or the Jol's, if you prefer. The Joles. And this is when Shana, who's the worst, is definitely the best. best. This was great. When she absolutely grinds, I believe it's Nathan and Joel, right? Yeah. So the one that she grinds to pace is actual Joel. Yeah. Nathan. A little fishy. You think so? I don't know.

You think so? Either he's just a dick who like cares too much about someone being on their phone. Yeah. But I don't know. He was giving her like weird looks. Yeah. So I have some questions about Nathan. Okay. Joel, however. Yeah. Self-made man. Yeah. An humble guy. What did your dad do? I love that moment because the minute he said self-made man, I was like, what the fuck do your dad do, Joel? And then Sean was like, what'd your dad do, Joel? Yeah, real estate.

Also, in hotel. Two self-made real estate hotel guys in one generation, one family, amazing stuff. Wonderful. And then what does she say? She's like, she calls him a little boner, right? Yeah, you painful little boner. You absolutely do not exist. You fucking nothings.

In among all of that. And in among Jeff selling his soul by saying his stock does indeed fuck, his credences are a regular fuck fest. I feel bad for Joel. I feel bad for Jeff. And I feel that Jeff is like right later when he's like, this was important to me. It's not all about you. It's not the Shauna show 24-7. Yeah.

You couldn't fucking show up for this. Jeff has given. There are plenty of people who would not still be here. Like when Shauna or the Saviche, it was like she was a hero. Like, she had just swooped in for the, like, that's what he needed. Someone who knows what a fucking tapa is. Right. What Shauna does.

And that's what he needed. And like, it's very little. It's very little that he's asking for her for this dinner. I think, like, is often the case, you know, because she actually thinks that she's being noble and his great defender. Like, you don't deserve his furniture. But she didn't give him the thing he asked, which was support to land the deal. And that, that sucks. I do like that we got a credenza call back to their brief attempt at role play.

They also mention Ammoa. in the role play. That was my callback earlier. Great stuff. Great stuff. Okay. Anyway, Misty vomits up the red. It's all terrible, but most importantly, at the restaurant, Shauna has like, someone, perhaps blonde, has followed her into the bathroom. Hillary Swank is adult male. He's followed her into the bathroom, left a cell phone behind. Horrifying. The cell phone rings. The turning off the lights actually freaked me out. I thought that was the scariest moment. When she comes out with the keys. The cell phone is ringing.

I think the single scariest thing in the two episodes was just Shauna sitting clothed on a public toilet. You're such a special person to me. It's a no. It's a no for me. It's not the Eldridge screeching in the woods. Okay. The ringtone on the cell phone is Queen of Hearts by Juice Suit in 1981. Got it?

Okay. Man and Thai. What do I want to say? I mean, I do want to run through the needle drops. We get in this incredible storyline, which is like, like Ty takes a van out to a fancy dinner she does not want, does realize pretty quickly that she doesn't want that. They dine and dash.

This waiter follows them. He dies. He dies. He's pulled out from getting hit by a bus. And then has a coronary event. Did they manifest that? There's this weird ISO shot on van right before she leaves the restaurant. Yeah.

I mean, we see no eyes right after this. So there's that association with this concept of like the, wilderness. And then later, Ty gives the matchbox from the restaurant as a sort of like offering on this like, yes. Alter, this offreenda sort of thing. Yes. The name of the restaurant is Padame, I think is how you would pronounce it. Maybe paddam, perhaps. Whatever you say. Which means a man without soul, without a soul. Great stuff. Here are some needle drops we get. I think we're alone by Tiffany, 1987 incredible as they're running through the straits.

It's great. And then I rewatched that music video, which is an all-timer of like 80s mall culture. Glisserie by Bush. This is my, I'll just spoil that this was my favorite of the episode and of the show to date. This is also mine. Yes. This is one of my favorite songs when I was like a young person. Let's just do needle drop corner now.

We usually save it for the end. We pick our favorite needle drop. This is definitely glistening by Bush. I need to tell you. Tell me. Fresh in Europe high school. Rolling Stone cover, Gavin Rostale, black leather pants, nothing else. This was my everything.

I'm very familiar with this. Seems like he sucks as a person. Super hot though. But was one of the most beautiful people ever in 1996. Yeah. I had a gigantic crush on him. I had a heroin moment last night where I googled him and saw that he was 59 and just felt, I felt the passage of time so keenly.

I just didn't understand how that could be possible. If you asked me what the top five most important magazine covers ever were. That's up there. It's Gabraustale on the cover of Rolling Stone. You and McGregor with a rooster on the cover of Manning Bayer. I would have thought that that was your number one. Yeah. And then like I don't know what I'll think about three through five.

But like those are one and two for me. Yeah, we have to be more careful when we do impromptu top five. I'm still haunted by not having pushing daisies. It's one of my best pilots a couple days ago. I received so many texts from people in my life about it. I also just need everyone to know that this Rolling Stone magazine is not one that I purchased or owed at any point. It was in my high school's library. They had like some magazines in there.

You just went to look at it a lot. No, like all my friends and I would just like go into the library together and talk about the Gavin Rostale Rolling Stone cover. It's beautiful. They just put like straight up pornography in the library for us. Thanks. Oh, man, when Glissolitan hit, it was great. So good. That was an instant rewind to just, and also that was a sexy scene.

It gets creepy really quickly, but like the way that they find, because, you know, there's that moment earlier where Tye's like just like, come to my bed. Like, why can't we be together? Yeah. And it's like, oh, we needed to do crime together. They needed to die in a dash, but like you just, the magnetic pole that has always been there between them. We get a bit more information as you are fresher off your rewatch. when Van said you needed to break up with me for the sheen of respectability, but you wound up gay anyway. To me, and I haven't done my full season to rewatch, but is that the most explicit explanation for why they broke up?

That felt, yeah, that felt new information. Okay, great. Okay. I also want to mention that even though we get Van doing like previously in yellow jackets and her all-MC thing, we also get Van in present day singing karaoke to virtual insanity by Jamiriqui. Yes. on a microphone that definitely also looked like a sex toy. Oh, so I once got that microphone as swag. It was branded for the Kelly Clarkson show, so I'm quite familiar with that particularly

karaoke microphone, but I did not think of it as something one could chip one's tooth on. It looked like a tooth chipper. Okay, a real tooth chipper. I think I might just be like thinking of that scene in Peacemaker where he's using the vibrator as a microphone. and that's the association, I think, totally normal. You're my most special person. Our brains are just cooked. Absolutely cooked.

So, Ty and Van. Lot, Lata. Van lies about going to urgent care. She definitely didn't go to urgent care. We don't know where she was all day. Also, like, I mean, obviously Van is confronting her imminent death. Yeah. Right.

Terminal cancer diagnosis. And back in the wilderness, like Van, that vulnerable moment where Van was like last season, maybe even season one, like I thought I, I kept surviving these things for a reason, right? I thought I had a purpose. And Van's relationship to the idea of mortality has always been so interesting. When she objects, when they're like sort of self-ulogizing in the bar and she's like, listen, no one's dying tomorrow. Right. Yeah. And so like how much of, you know, the paperwork, the ties checking in and like, well, I signed the I signed the DNR. but like none of the other things.

And when she cuts her foot, even the stepping on the glass, like felt very like, it needs a drop of blood here to me, you know? That bothered me so much because the camera was obviously like lingering in the glass to show us that she was going to step on it. That's one of the shots in the credits, too,

the glass fracture. Oh, and Misty vomiting the red is also. Yeah. Great stuff. But like, Van comes home. She immediately grabs a beer. It seemed like she was maybe. Did you think she seemed already drunk?

Yeah. Yeah. And so like, just, Ty not telling her immediately. You know, not saying when she saw no eyes the night before, not revealing that the waiter died, even though certainly Van would have some thoughts about what that meant. I mean, we're coming off the chorus from multiple characters last season,

from Nat, from Lottie, of like, we brought it back. It came with us. And so it's just a question of like when that bubbles to the fore and they can't avoid talking about it with each other. But I'm feeling the absence of that candor between the two of them right now. Very sad. When they do connect, it's very sweet. I did think so on the, so savić is a pickled raw fish essentially.

And they were eating fog raw, which is raw liver. Does foie gras have to be raw? Yes, I believe so. No. It can be like sauteed or. I think it's supposed to be raw. No. Okay.

This is where I admit I don't spend a lot of time eating fog raw, but I was like pretty sure it's raw. it not? I think you definitely could have a hot preparation of a foie gras. Right? Okay. I believe you. It sounds like you've had more foie gras than I have in my life. Hobbits and dragons at DEML.com. I think I've actually only had it maybe once ever at animal. But Okay. Anyway. I believe my interpretation and it's fine, it's fine if

you and all the foodies out there disagree with me, my interpretation is this is a literal candy coating of raw meat. as sort of like with the red smear on the plate. This sort of like civilizing of their sort of animalistic past. I don't know. Okay. All right, we got to speed through. We're running out of time.

Let's just say a couple other things. Mel has a smooch with Shauna in the woods. Yes. That happens. And the cut back and forth of Shauna with an excellent payoff of call the manager, asked to speak to the manager energy. Incredible. Incredible instant payoff of that.

when she asked to speak to the manager, when she is asking, what did the person look like who came in to get the phone? Yeah. And then we cut to Mel, Melissa in the woods, smooching Shana.

So obviously the show is trying to point us in that direction, which is why every instinct of my body is like, it's something else. It's something else. But listen, sometimes it's just the simplest explanation is the explanation. Yeah, like the symbol on the envelope,

you know, which Callie hides, right? Yeah. Like, I think my initial assumption when I see that is, oh, it is somebody who was connected to them out there. But certainly it's established in the show that doesn't have to be the case. I mean, Jeff was using the symbol on the postcards to blackmail them. Yeah. The Sunshine Honey community of Lotties, they were wearing the symbol and their pendant. Like the symbol, a number of different people could be a purple person.

What if it's just a purple person? They're to offer a futon. There you go. It's entirely possible. I'm allowing myself to be duped by the cut. And assuming it's adult male. But who knows? It's very reasonable.

There's other options. What if we're getting like relatives of people who die in the woods this season? As you mentioned, Joel McKill's on the season, Hillary Spanx on the season, and Evans Johnson are new cast members of season. So we could get like someone who is related to someone who died in the woods or someone who's related to Adam who died in season one. And that's still sort of like a dangling.

I wonder if we're done with that. It's going to still be a thing. Interesting. It's like what said a lot of things in motion at the end of season two. So, you know. So let me think about. Anything else you want to mention, I think we talked about all of our lost references, the hatch, the pit, a supply drop, the smoke monster-esque sound in the woods. We've talked about our needle drops and that Gavin, go Google that Gavin Rossdale of Rolling Stone cover.

If you've never seen it, that dude sucks, but he was very good. lookinga. Anything else? Oh, man. I don't think so. Strong double premiere. I'm hyped to be back. I'm excited for what awaits. As always, I'm terrified. I'm excited to go one episode of time. Two episodes is a lot to cover in one podcast. So we did our best. But here we are. Hobbes and Dragons to Gmail.com. If you want to talk to me about my foie gras ignorance or anything else. I can't claim to be an expert. I can't. I like the red smear call out. Yeah, I think we covered a lot of the theories off of the first couple episodes. I'm intrigued by what you said about the Mari Ben possibility because, like, the idea of her just escaping and ratting him out. Maybe she, yeah, maybe she's like, actually, I'd rather stay with you. Why not? Maybe we end up with multiple orange fries. I mean, I would rather get a mug with hot cocoa than a mug with fucking mushroom tea in it.

Yeah. Yeah. Personally. Yeah. Barry wine, though, that's a different question. Okay. Boy, the booze. The booths of the big out in the wilderness.

House of R, Yellow Jackets, Season 3, Episode 1 and 2. I'm really excited for the rest of the season. I cannot wait. And probably next week, if we have time, we'll go through the opening. I wanted to go through opening credits and talk about all the new stuff in there, but like we had a lot to talk about. So we didn't have time to do that today. We'll have time for your emails next week.

I'm really excited about that. If you've got thoughts about tooth chipping devices or anything else, email us. Thanks to Great stuff. Our all-dude team on this episode who had to listen to us talk about all of this.

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