How I AI - 5 OpenClaw agents run my home, finances, and code | Jesse Genet

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

Jesse Genet is a homeschooling parent and entrepreneur who runs her household with five specialized OpenClaw agents. She layers them on top of her Obsidian “second brain,” deploys each on its own Mac Mini, and assigns every agent a distinct role—homeschool, finance, scheduling, development, and operations—so each one operates with clear scope and responsibility.What you’ll learn:How Jesse set up five OpenClaw agents, each with its own role, persona, SOUL.md file, and dedicated Mac MiniThe workflow for photographing an entire curriculum book and having an agent generate formatted, ready-to-teach lesson plans from the imagesUsing a coding agent to build a custom kids’ TV app from scratch and ship it to a real television in four days (with zero prior terminal experience)Why Jesse treats agent onboarding like employee onboardingThe “decision file” trick and other incantations for managing agents that actually stickWhere multi-agent collaboration breaks down, and why no current messaging platform handles agent-to-agent handoffs wellHow photographing every toy, book, and supply in the house lets the AI recommend real physical materials during lesson planningThe hands-free printing loop that took Jesse from scan → upload → email → print to “Sylvie, print this” in 30 seconds flat—Brought to you by:Optimizely—Your AI agent orchestration platform for marketing and digital teams—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Meet Jesse and her “after Claw” life(02:30) Layering OpenClaw on top of Obsidian(04:44) Logging homeschool lessons automatically(07:12) Turning books into a structured curriculum(13:09) Using SOUL.md files to give each agent a personality(14:39) Running multiple specialized AI agents(16:43) Agent collaboration(18:19) Partitioning data across Mac Minis(27:00) Building a custom YouTube app with AI(37:00) Creating a physical inventory from cupboard photos(41:00) Printing from voice: reducing friction(44:00) Managing agent memory and decision files—Tools referenced:• OpenClaw: https://openclaw.ai/• Obsidian: https://obsidian.md• Slack: https://slack.com• QuickBooks: https://quickbooks.intuit.com• Google Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/• Mac Mini: https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/—Other references:• Claude Code for product managers: research, writing, context libraries, custom to-do system, and more | Teresa Torres: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/claude-code-for-product-managers—Where to find Jesse Genet:X: https://x.com/jessegenetLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessegenet/—Where to find Claire Vo:ChatPRD: https://www.chatprd.ai/Website: https://clairevo.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/X: https://x.com/clairevo—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email [e-mail].

What brought you to the lobster agent we know and love? Because I follow these obsidian influencers, one of them buried in a comment on a day where I was just scrolling was like, Game Changer is layering onto your obsidian and actually having an agent who like uses your files for you. And I was like, whoa, what is that? At first I thought like, I don't know if I'm technical to put this on my computer. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. But then I jumped in. This is really interesting.

I want to figure this out. And I want to run my homeschool this way. So maybe this can help. You're trying to get all this stuff organized and you thought, man, if AI could do this for me, then I could actually get done what I wanted. A Pesedion has this cool opportunity of being your second brain, right? But the problem is I'm always looking for my first brain because I have four little kids. I didn't really have time to develop this second brain.

People just don't appreciate how much it unlocked for folks that do have this ambition to really be there for their family and kids and also get all sorts of cool stuff done. And I feel the same revolution in my relationship with time. Welcome back to How IAI. I'm Claire Vow, product leader and AI obsessive here on a mission to help you build better with these new tools. Today we have Jesse Jeney, who has four kids and five OpenClaw Mac minis sitting on her desk, helping her run everything from her homeschool to her finances. Jesse has established there are two phases now, before Claw and after Claw, and she is going to show us the future of what an afterclaw life looks like. Let's get to it.

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I, you know, it's been very crypto bro adjacent energy in the, in a claw sping. And so I like that we got the two ladies of OpenClaw basically here on the podcast. And I think your use cases are so interesting, and I love what you figured out. So tell me what brought you to the lobster agent we know and love. Why did you get started with this? Well, you're right. It wasn't because I really wanted to segment all my marketing, which is like what I see over and over in my feed from like a bunch of tech guys. I have been, I've actually been using this product called Obsidian for a while.

So this is like my, like how I even learned about it because I learned about it like over a month ago now, which is kind of like ancient history and like clawland, right? But the reason is because I follow some people who are like deep users of this second brain product called obsidian, which is like a collection of markdown files and we can get more into that. But because I follow these obsidian influencers, one of them like buried in a comment on a day where I was just scrolling was like, Game Changer is layering quad box. which it was called at the time, onto your obsidian, and actually having an agent who, like, uses your files for you.

And I was like, whoa, what is that? Because I've been trying to organize my homeschool in Obsidian, but honestly, I don't feel like I have the time to log properly, all my stuff. And I'm, like, running into all these roadblocks, I'm actually using it because I don't have any time because I'm a mom. So that was my discovery moment with seeing this person say that. And I was like, what does that mean? I went and looked up, like, what Cloudbot was, which is now called OpenClub.

And I, at first I thought, like, I don't know if I'm technical to put this on my computer. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. But then I jumped in, and I'm sure you had a bunch of, like, snafoo. I was reading your tweets about some of them. And I had my own. But that was like my jumping moment. Like, this is really interesting. I want to figure this out.

And I want to run my homeschool this way. So maybe this can help. So you were running your homeschool, partially on Obsidian. Yeah. And we've actually had a couple episodes on Obsidian. Teresa Torres did one on Obsidian and Claude, how she's running her own. So I like personal brain off of it. But you're trying to get all this stuff organized and you thought, man, if AI could do this for me, then I could actually get done what I wanted.

So do you want to show us what that brain looked like and then where kind of open claw layered on top? Okay. So Obsidian has this cool opportunity of being your second brain, right? but the problem is I'm always looking for my first brain, okay, because I have four little kids. So I didn't really have time to develop this second brain. And so my, so we're in my obsidian now, okay, and I call my vault. Obscidium is structured on both.

I call my vault family learning. And the reason I actually titled of that was that we, like, I want to track almost everything that's even vaguely educational about my kids' life, like even if we go on a trip or something. So I track more than just like lessons in here. But we can get to that. But the core structure that I've been trying to get to that, OpenClaw finally allows me to get to because it's actually doing the heavy lifting

is I try to log all the little lessons and different things that I do with the kids. But I don't have time to go in here and write all this structured data. So I want to know the date we did it. I want to know who's the instructor. Which children of mine out of the four of them were like including in that lesson. What was taught? what might come like next, notes that we have. And so here's my kids like learning about the color wheel

and matching colors and stuff like that. And the vibe that I wanted was to be able to take photos of a lesson that I do and then basically just upload them and have the actual open claw log the full lesson contents. And it's not just because I'm an obsessive record keeper, although maybe that accusation is fair. But it's also because I want to be able to use AI to plan curriculum. So if the AI knows I did this like, you know, cool pattern matching thing with number blocks,

then it can suggest, now I'm just taking a cute picture of my kids, this is like a greeting. Then it can suggest that maybe it seems like Quinn nailed the, you know, pattern blocks who is my oldest, but maybe L who is like two clearly like isn't quite there. And it can actually track their progression over time and actually help me build curriculum off of that. So we've got all these logs. we have a curriculum critical sources also like for instance I love the BFSU

like this specific science curriculum and so I track that as a curriculum source and then my open claw again this used to be so manual for me I was like trying to type in chapters of the book and all this stuff but what I did is actually take photos of the entire book and maybe that's in my photos

yeah like here I actually once I realized the power of open claw I started taking photos of entire books, like in actually giving the entire book to my open claw so they could help me build more detailed curriculum. Okay. Can we take a pause? Yes. Let's go back to photos.

Every parent loves this teacher kid to read in 10080 lessons. I have this book. It has gone through two children already. And part of the challenge of this book, this is going to be very niche parenting content. Yes. It's actually hard to know. if you're teaching this book well, even though they have this very dense upfront introduction about how you're supposed to teach it.

I always didn't feel confident about was I teaching it correctly? Was I saying those phone names correctly? And it's such a brilliant idea to take a photo of all this and build even a lesson plan that just I could understand. So this is, I just want to pause and tell people this is such a great workflow to just take a book or reference material, take lots of photos of it. Maybe have your kids take photos of it. Yeah, you know, deliate that. This is what we're out with OpenClaught is delegate everything. But but I have, okay, so I have even more niche ideas off of this one book that I want to do that

I, that I, that I, we can talk about what I've done with Open Claw, but there's a couple of things I want to do that I think I can do that I'm getting closer to. And one is this book has special letter forms for helping teacher kids like, has like a TH that. connected for teaching them the sound duh for instance and so I'm actually thinking of 3D printing all of the letter forms from this book so I can then actually like spell out letters that in words to give my kids like in a physical lesson that match the letter forms in the book there's like things that I want to do to bring this curriculum kind of like out of this one environment or take the stories like my kids like these little stories in the book um but if you notice the story is

kind of like buried amongst all this other text. And I just feel like sometimes they find it hard to focus on like this like see me eat and they're like distracted by everything else on the page. So I was thinking what if I could extract that like story from the book using open claw and maybe make like printouts of the story like as a little booklet or something? Just just ways to actually make this book kind of come alive. But again, I have all these hopes and dreams. But I'm also actually homeschooling mom before. So I really need open claw to do. do the heavy lifting, this thing. Like, I need it to do it. I can't actually do it. Okay, so I interrupted you with niche phonics mom aside here. But what you were saying is

you want to bring in a bunch of reference material as well into Obsidian. And one thing that's nice about AI in general is that you can just do that in a kind of unstructured form. You just take pictures. But then what are you doing with that? So this is the layout that I kind of create. So curriculum source is something like that book. Like teach your kids to read them 100. that's a source and and there's so many brilliant sources available to us as parents right so i don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time so that's a curriculum source then there's actually curriculum um which is like progressions of lessons i'm coming up with and lesson plans so this okay so for instance i have that curriculum source of the um basic fundamentals of scientific understanding that acronym

is bfSU and then these are the lesson plans from that book okay so these are all just these are lesson plans I generated off of each chapter of the book. Okay, so it gives me, it pulls into a lesson plan, the actual objectives of that lesson, the key concepts and vocabulary, the materials I need to do activities are suggested in the book. And then let's take it to another level. So this helps me, because instead of just sitting down and reading the chapter, I can kind of cut to the chase and like be like, okay, but I'm actually going to teach it tomorrow. Let's like get this ready. And I actually can see the materials I need to pull out and all this stuff. And then, What I'm really getting into that is very open claw related is actually asking my open

claw to help me generate completely custom materials. So I'll make this real. We just did yesterday this B-6, how animals move, skeleton and muscles. And last week we did this adaptations in survival about how animal, like what it takes for animals to survive. Let me go over to Slack and you can see me interacting a little bit with my open claw. I was like, okay, I want watercolor illustrations suitable for kids that can print I'm 8 and 1 half by 11 of each of these concepts.

And by the way, here's the concepts. Here's my finger, like, with a book page of, like, these nine concepts of what it takes for an animal to survive on its own in the wild. And it's kind of trying to make it real for people. Like, this is how lo-fi I'm going. Like, I just take a picture of a snippet of that book. And then I ask it to you to use NIO Banana Pro, and I gave it, that's a Gemini, a Google Gemini AI product.

And so I had to give the API key for that specific image generation model to my, my open cloth, but then it made these files. Look how gorgeous these are. Oh, they're still beautiful. But I'm like, I'm like, because I'm also post-fartum on, but I'm like, look at how beautiful this owl is. Oh my God. But, but like, okay, I, I just want to explain that my prompt was like make, let me go back

to it, was just like make in water color style illustration suitable for kids that can print and they didn't have by loving paper for each of these concepts. Okay. Like, I just, I just, I just don't know. I just want everyone to say. sit with this for a moment. Like how basic is that? Like how basic is that? Um, now the other real thing I want to share is that in the, um, this Sylvie, okay, so I'm talking to Sylvie. I have five different open claws spun up because I am insane. Okay, we'll cover that more. But, um, Sylvie is my

homeschool oriented open claw. I'm trying to like make Sylvie from her like the soul. There's like this soul.md file. I'm trying to make her into like the most magnificent teacher like the world has ever seen. So she's like always really creative and like really bubbly and has like really, um, like she's just really into kids like learning, right? So because that's like her personality. That's what I want her to be like. And so she's adding a layer like from her soul MD file, I think, of like how to make these images like actually really stand out for children. So it's a combo of like my basic prompt to her and her own like injection of like, okay, but we really need to make these concepts pop for the children, you know? Can I ask a question for you? Because I,

I think, you know, some people that are going to be listening to this episode are going to be open claw pilled and have them set up and be working on telegram or something super shady just to like talk to their AI. And then some of them are going to be really new to this concept because I think what you're talking about is very accessible to parents, to students, to teachers, to actually anybody doing business is all these concepts of how can you log your day in a structured way? how can you take one piece of content and turn it into another piece of content? How can you create great visuals? Those are all applicable across a lot of use cases. But you just said you have five agents. You sort of like glossed over that as if that's easy. How do you technically set that up in open cloth?

So I would say agents collaboration is one of the hardest things that I'm still hacking on. So just to be really blunt. And I will explain a couple foundational elements. So first, coming over back to Obsidian, in this, it's maybe a little hard to see that. In this bottom corner, I'm in the family's learning vault. But one way I partitioned the scope and role of each of the agents that I've spun up is that they have a role in my life. Like I have someone, by someone, I mean an open clock, because sometimes I talk about them, like, they're literally human. And I have actually confused people.

They're like, wait, are these in plays, all these people? What is it going on? So Sylvie is the open claw where I focus on homeschool content, curriculum generation, logging. She only has access this family learning vault, okay? I then have an agent Finn West. I don't know. I'm just taking these names at random, okay? Who is focused on accounting and like I send him all my receipts and I'm trying to have him help me stay organized financially.

He has access to this family office vault. So I'm kind of sharing a version of like provisioning agents. I have five because I want them to all have very separate personas with separate responsibilities. And that makes it worth it to me to have multiple agents, okay? If you just want to create kind of an EA agent who helps you a little bit with town school and a little bit with this and that, that's not wrong or bad either. But I really wanted to go deep and actually make, it would be kind of weird if Sylvie, who's like my whole purpose in life is to teach kids beautiful information,

was like if I sent her my receipts, I would almost feel like I'm being rude. Like I'd be like, this is beneath Sylvie, you know, like she needs to focus on the children. So that's part of why I have created multiple agents. Now I am trying to work towards a path where my agents collaborate to like make my life even more autonomous. Like it would be really cool if Claire,

who's my more like EA-ish, like scheduling and like scheduling and my time management, ordering groceries and things like this, it'd be cool if Claire could, like, talk to Sylvie effectively and help plan out maybe my lessons for the week and, like, tell Claire, like, oh, tell Sylvie, oh, she can't do that time because she has a doctor appointment. But this is a little bit, I'm not quite there.

To be honest, I moved all my agents to Slack because Cole is working on dev projects. Anyway, so Cole is my dev. AI, but I have them all in Slack because I thought Slack would be better for collaboration, because it's like a human collaboration tool. But to be perfectly frank, I believe now, after spending more than a week with five agents, that there are no one communication channel that is native to open claw, meaning what you're talking about, telegram, Slack, I message, signal is actually very good for agent-to-agent

collaboration. Yeah, because all of these tools have been made for humans to use. and agents are kind of like hacking into them from the side. Like in order to even add my open claw to Slack, this is one of the worst, like the one of the hardest components of my open claw setup for each agent was creating a custom Slack app to add the agent as a bot into my Slack. So I just want to be really blunt.

Like that was really hard. Like that was harder than creating the open claw itself. And so to create the open claw yourself. Are you asking open claw to create a new agent? Are you spinning up a new install? How do you do that? So basically, here's my team. I just thought that I thought the turnaround.

I had literally a Mac mini boxes sitting on my desk. That's what I was sitting my laptop on. This is where I'm at. Okay, like people need to know. Like, people need, like, it's like a send help to Jesse's house kind of situation. Like, we don't hear from me for a while. Is this necessary? No.

And even financially, I want to like address. I recognize I'm able to afford these Mac minis already. That's like a lot of money just generally speaking. I was not expecting this, by the way. Okay, you can run more than one open claw on a Mac mini. I'll even explain why do I have somebody sitting on my desktop? One reason is I'm trying to partition their worlds completely. Yeah.

So for instance, Finn, who's going to handle financial stuff, again, this maybe just makes you seem so insane. but I run a full QuickBooks instance for our family's personal finance because I love that because I'm such a super geek. So that means every expensive category and all this stuff. But that means there's a lot of sensitive information. I want Finn to have like he's not going to get access to my bank accounts to like use, but I'm going to give him read only access to all bank statements, all sorts of stuff. So like a lot of information.

I frankly don't want that information sitting on the same Mac Mini as like Claire who's be open cloud doing scheduling, I don't want her to accidentally, like, send, like, some information from a bank statement to, like, the kid's piano teacher, like, just because she's texting with her or something. So that's why I have separate me. Now, there are other ways to partition agents. This is kind of my lazy way, like, just being perfectly frank, like, there's other ways to perdition them. But I'm just trying to be, like, overly cautious because there are security concerns with OpenClaw. And I want to make sure that I, like, have this actual, like physical environment for each one to live in for right now. Yeah, I want to call this out for folks

that that maybe missed that, which is the physical partitioning of different Mac minis is great. And then each instance is in a file system. So you do have to think really carefully about what file system you're putting any of these agents in. And then what I like about what you're doing is you're partitioning them by access both to data and to input output. which is like that's very smart to say I'll give you access to all my bank accounts or bank account statements highly risky but you can't talk to anybody so it's not going anywhere and finn doesn't have any communication channel except fuck he can't get out of that bubble yeah but what claire has access to i message for like texting people for scheduling and different stuff and so i don't want her

to have a bank statements so i am and this is this is actually something that um i was talking to someone else, a good friend of mine, and this is maybe a nub that I think is lost on a lot of folks about setting up an open class. Many folks have not maybe hired an employee before, and I'm not going to be like, you know, derisive or something, but basically like it's so similar to that. So I do think that because I have a background as an entrepreneur, I have hired employees, I just have that mindset on, and let me describe it so that's not vague. The mindset is I just met this person. Okay, so whether it's a person I'm on the street who I decided to hire,

could they have, like, great interview, or there's this new open qua. And this is like a new entity in my life. Well, do you normally just say, like, hey, new person? Here's, like, access to all my email. Here's that. Like, you step into trust based on them using information, like, the way you ask them to. And also, you don't ask them to impersonate.

you. Usually the goal of an employee is not to impersonate you. So none of the open clause have full read-write access to my email or my stuff. They have their own stuff. One open claw has access to reading my emails, only read. They cannot send emails as me, but I have provisioned trust that they can read and like surface information to me. It totally does because people were asking me, I had early on a pretty unique setup and that was like, there's no way I'm giving direct access to my email, but you got an email from Polly. Polly has her own email address. And the reason why I knew how to do this really quickly is I set up my agent with its own email address. I delegated access to my calendar, for example, to that agent. I gave it its own one password vault and I put a couple

key things in there that you can use. If you're like, well, how did you know how to do this? I was like, I've had three EAs. I know how to onboard an EA and you don't say, here. And I put a couple say here's the password to my email address. That's just not how you do it. And then I like this idea of like progressive trust in your agents. You know, you say most, you don't ask most employees to impersonate you. The first thing Polly did when I asked her to send one email was send it as me. And I, one, I sounded truly insane the way she sent it, said the email. And I had to like follow up and be like, sorry, that's my sentient lobster. But she's gotten better. And you got the email where she's got like a little lobster emoji.

So if you know what that meant, yeah. You know what it means. And you were very polite in addressing her by name. If you're applying. But I think this is very important. Yeah. What's funny, like, but that my philosophy on how to manage an open claw really does stem from management of employees because actually I am polite because I'm like,

I'm just going to treat them like an employee. So I think, you know, I don't want to. I don't want to confuse people. I don't think that it's like there's a human in that box and I'm going to offend them. I don't actually think that. But what I do think is that because LLMs have like grown up on the internet and with human content, they do understand, they do know when someone's being rude or not? And so like do I want them to know me as like someone who is professional direct or not?

Like I do think there's a relationship being built between human and bot. And so I don't think like it's going to jump out of the computer and kill me if I'm rude or something crazy. I just think that why would I be rude? The only difference is that I can rely on the fact that Sylvie, who helps me with homeschool, that she's never having a bad day, that there's no day that her boyfriend dumped her, that there's no, like, that I don't have to skirt around the issue. So I'm a little more direct. And I obviously, I don't have to worry about giving her a task at 11 p.m.

I don't have to feel like, oh, I'm such a jerk boss. So these are all benefits, but I still fundamentally do treat it like an employee-employee relationship. in order to kind of make sure that we have like a healthy system yeah yeah exactly okay so you have we're just going to step back into it and i know you don't personify your mac minis but i am going to send you like google yis and mustaches and like a little bow for all of your all your mac minis after we're done here okay so you have um your obsidian brain you have fractured off agents you've named them You've put them in Slack for people that want to use Slack as a gateway channel on OpenClaw. You actually have to do some like app setup as a Slack developer, thoughts and prayers.

And then you're doing lots of workflow stuff like organizing your logs, organizing your lessons, building creative for those lessons. I think this is super cool. But you're also Finns coding, right? Yeah. Okay. So Finn is finance. Oh, Finn is finance.

Sorry. Cole. Cole is coding. Now I get it. I'm just making this up, but I just went off of like vibes when I was naming. Cole is coding. So this is though. Now we can jump back into a bit of a demo.

Cole is coding. And this was a big unlock for me. So as someone who has previously, I previously ran a startup where we developed software, but I had never opened terminal as a human being until six months ago. I sold my company. to a tech company without ever having open terminal. So it's like I'm almost embarrassed to be saying this, but I just want everyone to understand that I'm like not actually secretly super technical,

but that in this new era I can like pop in, learn just a little bit more and do so much. So with that, let me share my screen. I'm going to basically my new MO is like, if I can sink it, maybe I can build it. Maybe. And Cole is helping me with that new thesis. This is something called Mira. All this name is random. Okay, I created this just for my family.

There's not a real product. And by real, I mean, it's not out there. Like, but I decided to code something up for my family. The need came from probably something that's extremely relatable to other parents, which is I have kids. I don't, I'm not against content. I'm not against them ever watching TV or ever having any screen time. But I really want the quality to be high.

Like, they are, they're little. They're easily fooled. Like, I feel bad on YouTube when they're watching. when they're watching a video that we put on that's like really, really nice and great, like camping or something. And then the next video that comes up or the next options of video are like AI slop with like AI cover art. And my kid thinks like, oh my gosh, it's a tree that's the size of, you know, a skyscraper. And I'm like, okay, there is no such tree. Like they're literally being fooled.

It's like, anyway, it makes me sad. So I wanted to make something. And so effectively, this is a product where. it pulls from YouTube content and I can curate these streams so you can see like ones that Cole and I came up with together and then I'm doing tests of custom ones which why you see this thing called test too but science engineering outdoor adventures now here's what's key is I didn't actually create playlists of any content Cole has a prompt for going with a direction on YouTube and making like an endless stream of videos that will play one after another and so my kid this is my parental

controls area basically. My kids can open the app and the app looks so basic on their end. It's literally just a screen and they can just, all they can do is press go and then it plays a video. And then if they don't like that video, all they can do is advance to the next video. And so they can like skip forward or go backwards and it maintains like their history so they can actually go backwards if they love something and they want to see it again. And they can pause and that's it. Okay, literally all they can do is go forward backwards and pause. This is a godsend to me. The other thing that I did that was like way beyond my technical capabilities, but Cole helped me through it is I wanted this on my real TV. And he said I could buy this thing called a Google

TV streamer, which is a device from Google. And then we actually were able to send the app to the Google TV streamer device. And then there's a little remote. And so there's actually a separate app. Like when I turn my TV on, I can select like Apple TV or I can select. select the mirror app, like literally and click into it. So my kids can't even get out of the app. Like once they're playing on TV to have a remote that only controls this app. Anyway, my mind is blown, but I think the most mind-blowing component is that I was just able to keep saying like, okay, but what if I want it on my TV?

And then Cole was like, this app can't be on a TV. And I was like, try harder, cool. Okay, that's not an answer. We can read a man. And so Cole is like his whole personality is like the developer that could. I'm like no is not unacceptable answer. Like we have got real work to do. We got to save these kids' souls call.

And you got to get me out of the AI slop. Yeah. And so, but you know, what's interesting is your claw lot can actually, if you really do, I'm only half joking. I really do talk to him in like these kind of extreme ways. Because just like a human employee, I think that if you imbue them with a bit of mission, they save that stuff to their soul, their kind of. Bob, sold IMD.

And he actually feels like it's important. Like, we got to build this app for Jesse's kids. Like, this matter, you know. And we were able to get it across. When I actually played videos that, like, were part of the theme I had suggested, my mind was blown. I was like, I can't believe that I, because this was over the course of like, maybe four days, like four days of like ping and coal and being like,

what about this, what about that? Until I had what I consider a usable app. My kids have watched this app in the evening for the, like, three or four nights so far because I, like, started tinkering with it about 10 days ago. Well, what I want to call out for people, too, is you have, I would say, exponentially more children than I do. I have three and I have four. You have four.

But every time you add one, it just, like, goes up, up into the right, as they say. And so you are a busy lady. And you're probably not like me, maybe you are like me, but you're not like me where I'm, like, just 17 terminals open at all time, nothing to do. But, like, vibe code. my kids are off at school. Like, you've got children on the floor doing number blocks, which I just think is so rad. And so you're doing this probably like from your phone at night, like in these edges.

And Cole, the developer who could, is always there for to help you progress your way to it. How does that change how you think about like getting work done or when you do things or how you interact with your computer even? It's a fundamental shift. Like it's a fundamental stuff. I used to like if you memory. two or three months ago, like basically just pre-claw, right? I would tell you that I had all the ambitions.

Like, there's pre-cloth and there's post-cloth. That's all we have now. Oh, they should just reset the AD clock. If you met me then, I would tell you that I had all these ideas and stuff, but I would say some kind of like wistful thing about how like I am homeschooling small children. I'm just going to wait on this stuff like,

you know, you never get the, I would say some cheesy thing. You never get the time of small kids up. Like, I'm going to focus on that. that, but what, what, it's still true. Like, I really do want to be present with my small kids and we are homeschooling, which is like this crazy kind of adventure. And so I don't have very much time to sit on my laptop at all per day. But now I would say, I actually can do it all. Like, basically, my, my ownth is back where I'm like, you know what? I can be present with my kids for, like, many hours per day. And I can be like, off to the side doing some coding.

Cole can go take 30 minutes and do a task for an hour. Or I can't, he can, he can, 30 minutes and I can leave him alone for a couple hours and just come back in my own leisure. And that's what's key about him not actually being a real person. Because it will be like after all the kids there are about at 9 p.m. where like for one more hour, I do like a sprint with call. And I'm like, okay, but can we get this live or whatever? And he's like, he's like, oh, I need another API key and we're like doing this work back and forth. But I can squeeze it into those small moments. So now, honestly, it's like a crazy unlock because I feel as though I could be as ambitious as I kind of care to be and I can do the parent of small children and feel present. That's insane. I mean,

it feels like a whole new universe. Well, and that, I mean, you're going to make me cry because this really resonates with me. You know, I am like, what, seven and a half weeks postpartum? I've got the little bitty baby at home. And one of the things that I have appreciated is one, voice to typing, voice to text. A lady can breastfeed and code at the same time. And this is a miracle upon miracles. And two, I really value being present with my kids too. And I actually don't want to be sitting in front of a laptop all the time either. And so part of part of what I'm sensing, I'm a little early in my Polly Adventure. I just got her to be able to do all the little things that I want her to do is I'm sensing it actually will allow me to walk away from my computer more,

which is somebody who is very one with the tokens is quite healthy for me. And get those things done. And you're right. I think parents run alternate schedules. I run like a five to seven and then a middle of the day and then an evening schedule because we have to drop off the kids at school or pick them up or they have sports. And I do think, you know, people just don't appreciate how much it unlocked for folks that do have this ambition to really be there for their family and kids and also get all sorts of cool stuff done. And I feel the same like revolution in my relationship with time. It's so fundamental. And obviously this will scale, like, we're talking about the parenting use case, but it applies to all humans, which is like, if, like, the more fundamental way I could put it is like, if an open claw is using my computer, then I can walk away from my computer because I can just, yeah, to your point, like make a voice note or something.

And I can actually trust that there's things happening in my computer, which, which as a parent of a little baby is especially important because you actually literally can't use your hand sometimes, which, think people are going to have a baby, like really have a lack, like lack of understanding. I was like, I literally just can't use my hands. Like, my hands are the problem. Like, I can't use them because they're a holding baby. And if I let her go, her head is like all floppy. And like, she has a floppy head, okay? That's where we're at.

And so, so basically that is really fundamental. But obviously it benefits all of humanity if they can kind of still get big tasks done on big projects, but take a step back from their computer and like touch grass, as we say. Like, that helps everyone. I wanted, okay, so if your game, I want to touch on another, like, what are open clause limitations? And one of them is that it doesn't have a body, okay?

So like, I'm going to say, just, I'm really going to speak like, answer the problem. It also doesn't have hands. What it can do, it doesn't need hands to operate a computer. Like, think of it as like it lives in a computer. And I'm not just explaining this to you. I'm just anyone who's listening. Like, it lives in the computer. And so it can do anything that we want to do on the computer.

open files, you know, edit files, send things, use websites. Okay, but do you know what it can't do? It can't, like, clean my kids' room. It can't sort my physical inventory and things like this. So I can't, I can't, like, change that. I think that maybe we could have a whole conversation about, you know, humanoid robotics or something, but for the mere term, the best we have is open cloth. And so what can we do to give it access or, like, help us in the physical world? one of the things I struggle with the most, and this comes back to schooling, and I talk about homeschool, but also, for anyone listening who's like, I don't homeschool my kids, anything that I do as a crazy homeschool mom is applicable to all parents because we all are teaching our kids all the time.

So it's just think of it as like teaching kids and not just like you have to be homeschooler. Okay, I'm sure all of us parents have invested in a bunch of stuff to like help our kids, like educational stuff. The biggest issue I have with all this stuff is like, it's just. ends up sitting in cupboards and I don't know when to pull it out. And so what I did because my because I can't tell my open claw, hey, go and organize my cupboards and make an inventory. So I had to do the slightly tedious task of actually taking these photos. And I took these photos of all the things I consider to be educational that I own and I have a bunch of stuff. And I asked open claw to

make this inventory. Now I'll pause so I'm not scrolling too fast. But basically here that's crazy. Like, all I sent my open claw was the photo. All of the text you see, Montessori language materials, the type, age range, three to five, description, what an alphabet tracing board? That's all Sylvie writing that. She just took the photo context only. It should be very clear. No voice notes, nothing else. All I told her is I want to make an inventory of my learning supplies.

Here's the photos. And she wrote all of this. So not only is that insanely impressive. but then I asked her to relate the inventory that I own to the lesson plans that I have already in the system. And so she's like, she's like deciding like, oh, if you're doing this lesson plan, maybe you should pull out this material because it's related. So now we're getting to a Galaxy Brain moment, for me at least, because I know if I want to teach like one of my children like something, I can go to, I can tell stuff like, hey, I'm interested in doing this lesson plan or, hey,

I mentioned doing the next lesson that would help Quinn write better physically. Sylvie can not only just like tell me, oh, here's a lesson idea. She can also say, also you own that tracing board. Can you pull it out of the cupboard? Like now I feel like she's actually really helping me with like my day-to-day life, does that make sense? Because she's actually reaching kind of into my physical house and she knows what I own. I love this.

And you just gave me so many ideas because I just hired a professional organism. organizer right before the baby came to just like get my life in order and you know every now and then my husband's like where are the batteries like where did you ladies stash the batteries and I'm like I could just go take pictures of all my closets yes yeah and then we know we can ask polly or now I'm going to like fracture off and get them you've convinced you've been a back many influencer you got me um and just be like where where are our batteries where do we keep waffle waffle maker like which can cabinet is this stuff in. It's such a, like, genius idea to take these photos and just organize, organize, organize, and then apply it to the common problems in your life and yours is,

when do I use these toys? I'm also going to take pictures of my kids' toy room. And every time they say I'm bored, I'm going to be like, you have 3,000 toys. Go play with this one. Yeah. And books, like so book inventory. So I've been taking pictures of like the book inventory. and and then then I can more like I can also say something very general like hey Sylvie Ford is like really kind of ramping into his like dinosaur era like what do we what do we have that I can pull out that's like already dinosaur oriented because I don't remember that I bought this book like you know like it's like in a perfect world we all have this like in our memory but but what's a bummer is for Ford at age four to go through a huge dinosaur era me to like like never pull out this book and then find it again when he's six and he could care less. Like that that's kind of the world I feel like I'm living in there. I'm always like rediscovering something that I own at the wrong time. And so that, that basically I feel like I could be done with that.

Like now, you know, she can just tell me like, oh, forge really into dinosaurs. You own seven different dinosaur things. Like pull that all out, put it on his shelf. And so I still have to do it. But I don't do the thinking part. And I think that is really key. I am also doing this as relates to, so Sylvie is the homeschool one. and that's kind of like where I'm going obsessive right now,

because some of the use cases are like so fun. Actually, before I move on, we have to talk about printing. I don't know why I'm so obsessed with this, but Sylvie can press print on my printer. Okay, my regular printer, all right? Like, I made a post about 3D printing and it kind of went viral, but that's what I want to say. I'm talking about my printer, just my regular printer, okay?

So we can press print on it, and it's some, for some reason, it's a game changer. And back to like everyone is going to be like, what is wrong with this lady? Why can't she just like do control P? And I'm like, because I don't have hands. Remember, there's no hand anymore. No hands. Yeah.

So, so, but I can be walking around with my phone and Sylvie can generate a beautiful material or something. Or I can take a photo of something. I could get like, if I want to do a worksheet with my kids and it's like buried in a book, I could literally take a photo and then just say, Sylvie, print this. And then boom, I have a work. worksheet to like give to the kid write that might 30 seconds later it's about the timeline right like it's like 30 seconds later I'm holding it um that blows my mind so I'm trying to give her these like little moments to actually affect my real physical life because if the worksheet stuck in the book

and I don't want the kid to actually draw in the book then I'm like in my old world I'd be like scanning and then uploading emailing it to myself then it's like oh G drive says this file is too big like It's like, I'm like losing my mind, you know. Whereas now I can just take a photo and be like, Sylvie, print this. That like friction or reduction of friction makes a big difference in like my day-to-day life. And this is how I know we are doing a very parent-oriented how I AI because people always ask me why I have a printer. And I'm like, I've kissed. We are printing nonstop in this family.

And you also gave me an idea. And I guess I'm going to, I'm going to jump into. Howie I lightning round questions because we're hitting the top of the hour. Are the kids ever going to get an agent? I'm going to, if I had to go yes or no fast, lightning round, I would say yes. I know there's so many caveats. And so I actually just won't bluster that much and be like, but this. And the answer is yes.

But also, you can grok my persona. You can understand that there's going to be a lot of ways that I customize that. Yeah. You've given me an idea. I think I want to buy one. I want to make my version of Sylvie. My kids are a little, my older kids are a little older, and they're like really into math and really into sports math. And I'm like, imagine if they could go ask any question and print a worksheet or find one of the books that they read.

A map works about batting averages or something. Like that, you know, that's a game changer, you know. Okay. And then they can also, then we can have our version of Sylvie remind them to practice their piano and do their homework in the morning. in the morning. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, you answer my second question, which I usually ask, which is when you're frustrated with the agents, how do you talk to them? And I am also polite for the reasons that you'd say. But have you found any other tricks, any other pulled from the manager kind of pack tricks about working with this many agents or working with your agents one-on-one? The trick, I would say the deepest level trick I'm doing is the collaboration,

or like the using obsidian like in conjunction with my agent because there's additional files of memory information that I have built into obsidian that don't run natively from the users don't get with open claw an example to make it clear

is something that multiple people are doing that's like decisions so I will speak so unlike a human you're not trying to use magic words with a human but I will sometimes say they, each agent knows I have a decisions file of like final decisions that Jesse's made. Like, don't reverse back and ask her again about this. And so I will, like, sometimes say a declarative and then I'll say, that's a decision.

So I wouldn't like say it that way to a human because I would, that would be like a little weird. But I'll talk to my open claw in a way that is where I'm aware of their structure. Or if their persona, I feel like I want to change it, I'll say, update your sole MD file. So, so, like, obviously I wouldn't say that to a person. And so I think there's awareness that it's an agent and I can actually mold their identity more than I can a human. And I'll talk to them about where to update themselves if I have a specific thing. That's the thing that's the most different that I do that would be different than I'm playing. I think this is a skill that people need to think about as they think about working with agents more and more is I call them these like incantations.

is most agents have like incantations of tools. And if you know the magic spell and it's usually like a keyword, like decision in chat pardee, I'm like if you say write or you say edit, you're going to get a very specific behavior out of your agent. And then what I like is you're taking it this next step and codifying those incantations into your system so that you know how to work with it. My last question lighting around is do you manually edit the soul? Do you go in and open the soul?

But again, I've got a hands problem. So I have asked it to send me. Sometimes I'm not confused about why it's behaving certain way. I'm like, okay, send me a soul file. I'm like, let's look at this thing. So I have asked to see it directly because I'm like on my phone. I'm not even on the Mac Mini or like whatever. I also either backing up its files to Obsidian though so I actually could click in and see.

Rarely do I ever click in and truly look. I ask it to diagnose itself more. I say you're acting this way. this from your soul file? Can you make an edit and like have it? I go through like a suggested edits with it. But rarely am I actually going into it and editing myself. I always let I basically always like I'm kind of polite. I'm like you either yourself like you know take your time but also don't mess with us. I love this. Okay. I got a recap top to bottom. We saw your obsidian second brain or brains. We saw your stack of Mac minis. Your many, many clawed, clawed bots, open claws,

your claws. We talked about how you're using a lot of like photo to structure data, which I think is a really great workflow. We showed how you can use a coding agent to code something really bespoke and even get it on a TV. We talked about that no one has hands. So we all agents and humans, moms alike at least, no, no hand problems. And then you talked about the killer use case of all this AGI, which is being able to print from a voice note. That's it. That's all of it. Jesse, where can we find you and how can we be helpful to you? That's sweet. You can find me Jesse, Janae on X. Janette is G-E-N-E-T. And honestly, helpful is also other people trying this stuff,

especially as it relates to any of these topics, kids, education, parenting, and sharing. I think a lot of people are maybe nervous to share. They feel like they're not important. If there's anything about my story and I was talking now, it's that you don't need to feel that way. I was like no one was viewing me as some kind of like influencer in this space until I was just like you guys I'm printing on my printer like so so just really like don't have fear about being embarrassed with something about sharing the more you share the smarter we all get even if you're just running into roadblocks that would just be my that's almost my ask it's not advice it's like my ask because the more you share the more we're like all going to get better at it faster that is the how IAI mission statement. I love it. Jesse, thank you so much for joining us. And I'll let you get back to your claws. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for watching. If you enjoyed this show, please like and subscribe here on YouTube or even better, leave us a comment with your thoughts. You can also find this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Please consider leaving

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