How to Be a Better Human - How to turn climate anxiety into action (with Luisa Neubauer) (re-release)

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Amidst the multiple devastating fires in Los Angeles, where Chris lives, extreme weather events and shifting climate patterns are occurring across the globe, making our everyday lives all the more unpredictable. Today we are re-airing this episode from the very first season of How to Be a Better Human. It's a conversation with Luisa Neubauer, a climate activist, author, and leader of the "Fridays For Future" school strike movement. She draws on her experience at the front lines of activism to strategically reframe the climate crisis and identify the unique ways we can make systemic change.For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You're listening to How to Be a Better Human. I'm your host, Chris Duffy, and last week we aired our first episode of season five of this show. But in the time since we taped that episode, the city where I live, Los Angeles, has suffered multiple devastating fires. It's a crisis that is ongoing as I'm recording this. And in fact, if my audio sounds a little different than it normally does, it's because I'm recording this from outside the city in an Airbnb

while we figure out if it is safe to return. Right now I'm sitting in a little blanket fort that I made. But it's a very surreal feeling because I'm both so grateful and I feel so lucky that my family and everyone who works on this show is safe and that we haven't lost our homes. But also knowing at the same time that so many people have, the scale of the destruction is just almost impossible to wrap my head around. You know, it's still unclear what caused these fires here in Los Angeles and what forces made them as destructive as they've been. But as I'm recording this, I feel very acutely the power and the unpredictability of Mother Nature. And across the globe, shifting

climate patterns and extreme weather events are only making the world even more unpredictable. Which is why I feel like this episode that we're going to play today, an episode from the very first season of How to be a Better Human, actually makes a lot of sense to re-air this week. This episode is a conversation with Luisa Neubauer, who's a young German woman who helped catalyze a global intergenerational movement called Fridays for Future. And Fridays for Future demanded action on climate change. And we originally recorded this conversation back in 2020, but I have thought about it

many times since then. I feel like it's only gotten more relevant. And one thing that I keep coming back to when I think about Louisa is how relentless she is about making sure that everyone sees how this movement affects them personally. And another thing that I come back to a lot is the way that she focuses so much on systems rather than individuals. She's so much more interested in big systemic change than on shaming individuals for their day-to-day actions. And here's what Louisa had to say about that in her 2019 TEDx talk.

We need to drastically reframe our understanding of a climate activist, our understanding of who can be the answer to this. A climate activist isn't that one person that has read every single study and is now spending every afternoon handing out leaflets about vegetarianism and shopping hauls. No. A climate activist can be everyone. spending every afternoon handing out leaflets about vegetarianism and shopping hauls. No. A climate activist can be everyone.

Everyone who wants to join a movement of those who intend to grow old on a planet that prioritizes protection of natural environments and happiness and health for the many over the destruction of the climate and the wrecking of the planet, for the profits of the few. I need you to get out of that zone of convenience, away from a business that usually has no tomorrow. All of you here, you are either a friend or a family member,

you are a worker, a colleague, a student, a teacher or, in many cases, a voter. All of this comes along with a responsibility that this crisis requires you to grow up to. Leaving the zone of convenience works best when you join forces. One person asking for inconvenient change is mostly inconvenient. Two, five, 10, 100 people asking for inconvenient change

are hard to ignore. The more you are, the harder it gets for people to justify a system that has no future. Power is not something that you either have or don't have. Power is something you either take or leave to others, and it grows once you share it. And this is probably the most important aspect of all of this. I need you to start taking yourselves more seriously.

If there's one thing I've learned during seven months of organizing climate action, is that if you don't go for something, chances are high that no one else will. Okay. Are you fired up? I am so fired up. I am ready to take myself seriously. How do we make use of our collective power?

How do we change these systems? How do we save our planet and our species from complete annihilation? Those are the answers we are going to try and get from Louisa Neubauer today. No pressure at all. But first, an ad. From fleet management to flexible truck rentals to technology solutions, at Enterprise Mobility, we help businesses find the right mobility solutions so they can find new opportunities. Because if your business is on the road, we want to make sure it's on the road to success. Enterprise Mobility. Moving you moves the world. Whether you're in your running era, Pilates era, or yoga era, dive into Peloton workouts that work with you. From meditating at your kids game to mastering a strength program, they've got everything you need to keep knocking

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Download the free CBC News app or visit cbcnews.ca. We're back. Today's episode is all about climate activism. Before the break, we heard a bit of Louisa Neubauer's talk. And now we've got her here live to follow up on how anyone and everyone, yes, even you and even me, can play an active role. I feel like for a long time, there's been this sense of like, if you want to help the environment, it's all things that you are doing wrong. Like you need to take shorter showers, you need to recycle more, you need to change where you buy things. And all of those are important, like you said, but I think that it kind of shifts responsibility away from big corporations and from governments and from like these big institutional polluters

that are actually making a huge mass of the environment and onto individual people. And I love that you have kind of shifted the focus back to like we as individuals can put pressure on these systems and change these systems and use our political power as well as our individual power. It's not just about what you choose to buy, it's also about who you choose to vote for

and where you put your money and where you put the pressure. Yeah. You know, actually it's something that is as soon as you think about it, it's very obvious. You know, you can tell people to cycle more often, but they won't do it unless there's a good cycling infrastructure. And suddenly we're on a systemic stage. And suddenly it's about the politics behind it, the politics who are working in favor of automobile lobbyists and not in favor of cyclists, for instance. That's a very paradox situation that is in and at the same time, 100 companies are causing 71% of emissions. That is where we are at. There's a disbalance between the magnitude of the problems we are facing.

So, you know, just opening up yourself to the reality we're facing through this crisis is kind of overwhelming. And just absorbing the facts and the science, that's tough. It takes energy from you. But at the same time, we don't have that many answers on how to deal with that. So we are really good in communicating natural science, but we are rubbish in social science. So what does it do to your mind, to your body, to your understanding, to your understanding of life and your meaning of life?

And I think it's really that second part. So what is the appropriate answer to the problems we are facing? And how do we communicate that to people and going on to people and say, hey, we are in an existential crisis and it's complex and it's devastating and now go and buy tofu, that doesn't make sense and it doesn't level up and people know that.

That's why they're so critical about this and that's a good reason for that. Yeah, it's funny. It's like, if you were trying to tell people that they had to be more cautious when they buy children's toys so that some of their toys weren't completely filled with poison that would kill the child,

you would say like, no, no, no, that shouldn't be on what toy I choose to buy. That should just be that the poison-filled toy is illegal. We shouldn't sell the poison-filled toy anymore. Exactly. It's kind of the exact same thing here. So for you personally, what was the turning point where you personally said,

like, I have to be an activist, I have to actually take this on? So oftentimes when I'm being asked this question, I think people kind of expect this like really big report that I once read and it said in there that my future is going to be rubbish on a climate crisis planet. And then I said, no, I didn't want that.

And then I woke up the next morning and I went out on the streets and I had this poster board with me and I became a climate activist. Okay, you're telling me it's not going to be that? That's not, sorry, sorry to spoil it here, but that's not what happened. I'm very disappointed. That was exactly what I was hoping for. No, it's actually, I think it's not a turning point, but it's a turning process we're talking about.

And in this process, one aspect of this process is definitely it's knowledge about what's going on. So many people do understand that there's a climate crisis, but that's not enough because, you know, we know about many things that go kind of wrong in the world and yet we don't really feel like it's our, you know, our place to fight that and to change that. So there's a second aspect to that and it has to do with understanding how bad it is. So being able to differ between a crisis that we live through and that just occurs in politics and the climate crisis, which is much more of a fundamental crisis we are in. Understanding how bad it is really, what the state is we're in, how many species are dying every day, how dangerous this is getting for us, understanding it's not a climate crisis, it's a crisis of humanity.

You know, the climate will be fine eventually, just a question of how much human will be in there still. One other really important aspect to this turning process is understanding there's no plan to change that. You know, we're in a man-made crisis, and yet we act like we can't change it, like humanity cannot change it anymore, which is obviously paradox, which doesn't add up. We can't accept a crisis as man-made, as human-made at the same time as we deny our human ability to turn it around, but that's effectively what we're doing right now. And I think eventually, however, we need to, in this process, the moment that I changed

my way of thinking about the climate crisis is when I understood that nobody else will do this for us, that it is up to us effectively. There is no government in the world, or at least very, very few governments in the world that have a reasonable plan to fight for 1.5 degrees, like to limit global warming to 1.5. So the real question is, if we're in a crisis, but nobody is acting like we're in a crisis, who is going to make this change that we need? And that is the point where I was like, okay, you know what, I never wanted to become a climate activist and I don't feel like

I'm the right person for that. But, you know, considering that obviously people are needed, everyone is needed, I'm needed too, and I will just do this now. And that just will change it for me. Yeah. Well, so I imagine that for many people who are listening, and for myself too, sometimes we have that same feeling of like,

this is really important, but I'm maybe not the right person for this. I don't know how to be the leader, right? There's only one Greta Thunberg. There's only one Louisa Neubauer. So what about for the rest, right? There's only one Greta Thunberg. There's only one Luisa Neubauer. So what about for the rest of us? How do we? How do we become climate activists? How do we actually make a difference in this if we don't feel like maybe we're Perfectly suited for that. Well, I'm not perfectly suited for that either

You know before I hated the idea to go on a strike that I organized myself I thought it was the most embarrassing thing that could happen in my life if I organized a strike and nobody would turn up. I was like, I was laying awake thinking about like, would anyone come? That's terrible. But this is the moment, you know, when you're awake and bad and you think like,

oh my God, what did I get into? And then you think about like, can I still get out of it? And you just wish this day would pass and you wouldn't have to think about it twice. That very moment, that is what it feels like when you leave your comfort zone. The good news here is there is no silver bullet. And this is so good. There is not one thing and this I'm not going to give you a list of three things that everyone can do. I'm so sorry. Because there is no such thing because people

are you know, we are all unique and we all have something different to offer. Sometimes you know, it is organizing and going on all have something different to offer. Sometimes, you know, it is organizing and going on strikes. I think actually going on strikes is something, at least when there's no pandemic, you know, that's pretty much suitable for lots of people. But sometimes for people, it's just, you know, they work in an institution and they suddenly start thinking about what kind of institution am I working in? Are we on track to Paris? start thinking about what kind of institution am I working in? Are we on track to Paris? There are people who are doing photography, so are you taking photos of activists so they can be shared around the world to inspire others? There are people who work with industries who are, you know, denying the

climate crisis, so are you telling them the truth of what we are in and what they're causing there? So they're just like one trillion different things that people can give to this, that people can add to this crisis management that we need. Yeah, I think, and I think that even if, one of the things that you say in your talk that I find really resonates with me is like, even if you don't have a specific concrete skill, right?

It's always also about learning. Like I learned to be a climate activist. I had no idea how to register a strike somewhere and what to organize a microphone or those things. You know, I know now more about the electric infrastructure in central Berlin than I ever thought I would, because I know where to plug a microphone. That is something I learned because I had to.

So I think it's also, you know, when we think about how can we, you know, deal with this crisis, how can we become a climate activist, we think a lot about the status quo. So what am I now and what can I do about it? But we rarely think about who will I be, who am I becoming in this and what, you know, what does it offer to me? What else is there that I can learn and, you know, pass on? Yeah, it's beautiful. It's also, you know, characterizing the climate crisis and such a matching way.

So the, the climate crisis, um, it's easily isolate. So you suddenly find yourself in the supermarket and you just desperately want to buy something that's not really harmful for the planet. And you've understand it's really it's really difficult to find it's possibly impossible to finance. And then you kind of go home and you think about all the other products that are being bought by someone else and you feel like I'm not making a difference here. Because you know, the plastic is up in the ocean anyhow, the plastic is being produced anyhow, whether I buy it or not. And that's isolating and it's depressing the experience of things over and over again. Yet when you're on those strikes, when you're, you know, on a climate strike or on a mass demonstration that is really demanding, you know, political powers to act accordingly. It matches somehow. It is turning this collective crisis into a collective experience that we are making there together with everyone else. I think about that, what you're describing in the grocery store, to me,

I think about that as the peanut butter problem. It's like, I'm done with the jar of peanut butter, and it's plastic, and I know I should be recycling it, but it is so hard to clean the inside of it out and I'm doing the work on this and I'm like, there are so many people that aren't spending 20 minutes cleaning the inside of a peanut butter jar. They just throw it away. I wish I wasn't washing this peanut butter jar.

But then you go out and you realize, it's not just me doing this. It's not just me taking the minimal effort to try and clean things so I can recycle them. And also there's all these people who are making way bigger change. We're all together trying to ask for bigger change than just scrubbing the inside of our peanut butter jars

so they could be recycled, which maybe they aren't even recycled. I don't even know. Well, it's a really matching story. And I think that is also part of the problem that in a very neoliberalist setting, you tell people, please go and wash your peanut butter glass. It's not even a glass, it's a, what is it?

It's a plastic thingy. I love how seriously you're taking my very bad metaphor, but it's a real experience I have. No, I'm joking. But it's like, you know, it's so inappropriate to individualize such a collective crisis to a level that people, you know, wake up in the morning and they feel drained by the thought of, you know, not being able again to act accordingly, as you know it. And that is why it's important to provide answers that are bigger, you know. And it's great if people, you know, start cleaning and recycling and do all those things.

Yet, if that is that, if that is the act that is taking away your energy that you would need to go to a strike, don't do it. It should give you energy. It's like cycling. It's like eating healthy, meat-free, vegan, whatever food that should give you energy. It's something that should enrich your life because you know you do something good for your body and the planet. That should give you energy and that is the energy you should have to actually then fight for a ban of plastic in your town or the extension of the infrastructure for cycling lanes or the end of fossil fuel subsidies, those things. What's great about Louisa is that she doesn't just stop at we should all be climate activists

and then rely on everybody to figure out what that means for them personally. No, Luisa's movement is based on the idea that there are concrete steps that each of us need to take according to our own abilities. Here is Luisa's talk again. The night before first strike, I was so nervous I couldn't sleep. I didn't know what to expect, but I expected the worst.

I didn't know what to expect, but I expected the worst. Maybe it was because we weren't the only ones who had been longing to have a voice in a political environment that had seemingly forgotten how to include young people's perspective into decision-making. Maybe. But somehow, this worked out. And from one day to the other, we were all over the place.

And I, from one day to the other, became a climate activist. Usually, in these kind of TED Talks, I would now say how it's overly hopeful. How we young people are going to get this sorted, And with these kind of TED Talks, I would now say how it's overly hopeful. How we young people are going to get this sorted, how we're going to save the future and the planet and everything else. How we young people striking for the climate are going to fix this. Usually.

But this is not how this works. This is not how this crisis works. Bad news first. If you thought I would tell you now to cycle more or eat less meat, to fly less or to go secondhand shopping, sorry. This is not that easy. But here comes the good news.

You are more than consumers and shoppers, even though the industry would like you to keep yourself limited to that. No. Me and you, we are all political beings, and we can all be part of this answer. We can all be something that many people call climate activists. We're gonna take a quick break, but we will be right back with more from Louisa Neubauer.

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Because if your business is on the road, we wanna make sure it's on the road to success. Enterprise Mobility, moving you moves the world. We're back. Okay, so you've been talking about these mass demonstrations and these big movements where you really feel community with other people who are in the movement with you. Obviously COVID has affected that. So I wonder how the pandemic has affected your personal approach to climate activism.

Well, that was obviously a very interesting experience because until COVID, the climate crisis, at least where I'm from, was considered to be the biggest present crisis there is. And the way we kind of achieved that was by organizing mass marches. And suddenly the most pressing crisis for many wasn't the climate crisis anymore, but the COVID crisis. And then we changed our behavior because we were in a crisis. And that is a really important lesson for many people. If we want to, we can take a crisis seriously.

And that also obviously shows that we never took the climate crisis seriously on a governmental scale. And the other thing is, obviously, since we were in a corona crisis, we adapted as climate activists. So we moved to the internet a lot. We did lots of digital campaigning. We did lots of background work, organizational work. And there is also one way of dealing with a crisis. It's managing what is there, managing the resources, and then, you know, focusing, getting on with it, looking that everyone is good and healthy and safe, and then we just do the work because it needs to be done. And in that sense, I totally agree that I think Corona tells a bit of a

very weird and I think surprising story about some very deep edges of society where people engage in extraordinary conspiracy theories. That is the one story to that. But obviously, yes, if we can take a crisis seriously and we can act like we're in a crisis and we can solve crises. However, I think for that, we need to accept that the corona pandemic is also a result of a very, very mixed up, awkward, unhealthy relationship between nature and human. So the real cause why there is a pandemic

and why it's so much more likely that we have more pandemics coming up in the next decades and centuries, that is a different one and we have so far that one yet. You've talked about possibleism as opposed to optimism. Can you explain what you mean by that? So I'm asked a lot whether I'm an optimist, because I think people think that I necessarily

need to be an optimist because I do things. And that is obviously a very you know, very kind, understanding of like what motivates me. But in fact, I think optimism and pessimism are both very passive. So it's a very passive understanding of what is changing. So either everything will be fine, or everything will be good. But you don't take part in this, Things just happen. So the active, the more engaged alternative towards that is possibleism, which a Swedish philanthropist, Jakob von Uxkul came up with. And possibleists see what is possible, but we understand that we need to fight for the possible and that we need to make things possible in order for them to become possible.

So that is, you know, putting us in the center of what is, you know, what can change. And that for me is the much more hopeful but also much more honest approach to this because things don't just happen. We make them happen, whether we, you know, let them happen or engage or so, we are, in the larger sense, if it's systemic changes or smaller stuff happening around though, you play a part in that, inherently. There's been a lot of talk in the last couple months about this idea of doom scrolling, of reading the news

and just getting deeper and deeper into this hopelessness and everything is so scary. Do you ever do that late at night? Or I kind of imagine that you start doom scrolling and then you throw your phone against the wall and are like, I'm planning another protest. So for six years now I've been studying geography. So I'm engaging with the science every day anyhow. And then there's obviously the news, I'm engaging with the science every day anyhow.

And then there's obviously the news, which can be very threatening, even though we are also in a media crisis and we have an issue with communicating the climate crisis. That's the side note. But obviously I do scroll and I do read and I do usually then call the people that wrote this article or that were interviewed and I said, can we talk about this quickly because that sounds really bad. And then we talk about it. I do also feel devastation at those moments.

I do also feel overwhelmed and I do feel anxious about what I read. But I think that is nothing bad. That is actually really good that we allow ourselves to feel, to breathe this crisis, to let it touch us. That is so deeply human, part of the crisis that we stopped kind of feeling those things. And that we don't allow ourselves to feel the loss of the ecosystems that are dying every day. And we don't allow ourselves to feel sad about the devastation that we're causing. But that is the the starting point from where on we kind of you know can take so much energy and power to change the things then. So I think I try to acknowledge this moment and I say okay Louisa, that's great because you're feeling human and you have

you allow yourself to to to open up yourself to those informations, to that science. And then I just leave it, you know, and sink in, and maybe I call a friend, and then an hour later, or a day later, or a week later, you know, I think about that, and I think, you know what? We're gonna do something about that. And then I go on, and I do something about it. So, well, one of the things you've done about it

is Fridays for Future, and Fridays for Future, it started with students and with school walkouts. But who else do you think is missing from the wider environmental movement? Possibly the most important story of Fridays for Future is that the climate crisis is in fact not a crisis of the climate, but of the people and those at the front lines mostly and the young generation, the children, the young people. And it's really easy to ignore the icebergs on the Arctic which is melting and it's really easy to ignore the forests that are currently burning but it's kind of impossible to ignore the future of your own child or your grandchild. And that is what opened up this whole potential of intergenerational change making. So I don't think there is someone like missing or so,

but I think obviously there's so much more potential of people getting engaged with this and understanding that it's now the time to get involved. And if you ask this question about who's missing from the strikes on a geographical sense, obviously, there are loads of parts of the world where climate activism is much more edgy than in Asia, where it's really a mainstream thing to do. Well, I'm actually, so maybe starting from the other side, I think I'm so surprised and so overwhelmed in a positive way by what is happening in many parts in Asia right now.

So there's so much mobilizing and organizing going on in Southeast Asia, a lot in South America, in many, many African countries. That is incredible. And even in like places like Russia and China, where you would kind of think that demonstrations wouldn't be very possible, they still do it and they get into trouble and they do it because I think, okay, we need to do this. It is obviously, I think many people around the world are,

how would you say, irritated, I think, a bit by the role of the US in the climate arena because there is so much climate crisis going on in that country. That's oftentimes when I talk about the climate crisis happening here now, I refer to US America. And people see the flames in California

and the floods in Louisiana and so on. So that is, and it's interesting how people experience those extremes and then don't organize in a way I would expect them to organize. I think effectively it just shows that we are really, you know, that we're very able to ignore a reality, even if it's just in front of our eyes, if we don't like it. And so that's, I think maybe, yeah.

Yeah, well, so I'm really curious about that. So let's say that we are, let's say that I'm someone, I'm listening to you talk right now and I'm convinced. Okay, I gotta be a climate activist. And how do I become a better climate activist? What can I do to improve my activism so that it is effective and I'm taking this unique, terrifying situation that we're at in the world and I see these things around me and

I want to make urgent change? What would you tell me? So oftentimes, I think it helps a lot when you talk about your reasons and your motivation to be concerned about the climate with people that you know, that you're your friend, your family or so on. And you, you know, use that situation to brainstorm about what you want to do, what would you like to change? Where do you think you belong in that sense? And I think it's something that makes it much easier for people to kind of get engaged is to go somewhere where they're somewhat familiar, is it's your local community where you know people already or you bring a friend

or you work around something that you're really you know you're already like really excited about. I you know first got involved with divestment because I read about it and I found a really interesting idea to divest from fossil fuels so I started with a divestment group in the town where I studied back then and that was amazing because I knew the concept, so there was some familiar aspect to that. But the first step is, I think the most important thing to us, the first step, and that is you ask yourself very honestly, how do I feel about this? And many people, when they are really allowing themselves to answer this honestly, they are concerned about the climate crisis and they are concerned about the climate crisis and they are concerned about their own future or the future of their children.

We feel that we have that in us. And that next step, you can ask yourself very honestly, okay, am I am I doing everything I can or am I doing anything I can to change situation? And we're having this discussion right now because many people around the world have made this, have asked this question and they have made the decision that they want to make a change, that is Fridays for Future. That is how Fridays for Future happened. And so take that as a example of how much of a difference

you can make as an individual person if you just turn up. And that's the third thing. Leave your comfort zone and turn up, whether it's an organization that already exists or one that you found, whether it's a ecological party or a institution that you think does good work. Get out of the status quo and turn up.

It's just 80% of things, good thing that's happening, are just about showing up. Thank you so much for your time. Honestly, this has been an incredible conversation I've learned so much, and thank you so much. This was a pleasure to me. Thank you so much for having me on your show. Thanks so much for listening to this episode

of How to Be a Better Human. That is our show for today. Thank you to our guest, Louisa Neubauer. You can hear more on her podcast, 1.5 Degrees. If you speak German, that is. The podcast is in German. Or if not, maybe it's a good way for you to learn German. Either way, now you know. As for this podcast, I am your host, Chris Duffy. This show is produced by Abhimanyu Das, Daniela Bollarezzo, Frederica Elizabeth Yosefov, and Karen Newman at TED, and Jocelyn Gonzalez

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