How To Date - Am I ready to date?

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

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How to Date is proudly sponsored by Morrison's. Welcome to How to Date, the podcast that teaches you what you need to know about navigating modern romance. I'm podcaster and author Elizabeth Day. And I'm Mel Schilling Relationship Coach. And every week, we aim to give you the skills you need to show up as yourself on the apps and in real life. from how to survive heartbreak to building confidence and loving yourself first. From managing clear communication to how to handle rejection. From ghosting to breadcrumbing, microcheating to love bombing.

And why sometimes the most important person you can date is yourself. Love that. Join us for Frank Expert Advice, hilarious anecdotes, brilliant guests and fail-safe practical exercises that will leave you feeling empowered to make the changes you need to meet the person that is worthy of you. Because both Matt and I met our husbands online, didn't we? We did. So we do know what we're talking about.

At least we hope we do. Right. Shall we get on with it then? Let's explore how to date. Mel, I'm so excited. We are here in the How to Date studio. This has been a long time coming, hasn't it? Absolutely.

And I think from the moment we've been, realised that we both met our husbands online, that was a moment for us. It was a moment. So many of you listeners will know Mel from Married at First Sight, which is how I first got to know you. I always think that you give the most expert, insightful comments to the contestants on that show. And then I became low-key obsessed with you and got you on my podcast How to Fail, which I love. And you're right, we bonded over the fact that we did meet our husbands online slightly later in life. I mean, we're in the prime of life now. Don't get me wrong.

We're hitting toward the prime, perhaps. And I was really passionate about imparting some of what we learned to listeners, who I know so many of you are out there right now navigating the wilderness of dating. And it's a really tough spot to be in. And we both have first-hand experience of that. So how old were you, Mel, when you met your husband? 39. Okay.

Almost 40. So I spent my entire 30s single and dating and not very well. Made all the mistakes. So you've not only got the professional expertise, but you also have the lived experience. I have the scars. And like you, I met my husband when I was 39. Post-divorce, the dating landscape had changed massively in the time that I'd been married. I'd never even been on a real date, I don't think, let alone been on an app.

So the whole thing had gone through this transformation. I had to learn really quickly. So I suppose we want to start by saying there is hope out there, isn't there? Yes. At any age, you know, there seems to be this sense of doom, I think, that people face when they come out of a long marriage or relationship or they're suddenly widowed, this idea of how on earth am I going to get back out there? It can seem so overwhelming, not just the technology, but all of the new rules and roles

that have emerged in the dating space. But we are here to tell you, lovely listeners, that it doesn't have to be daunting. It can be a lot of fun and you can do it in a really empowered and conscious way. Yes, I love that. New rules, new apps, a new vocabulary. Oh, and we're still learning. Bread crumbing? Seriously.

Casparing? I know. But today we have a specific focus and it's an important question. And it's a question about how we know we are ready to date. And in order to tackle this question, we are going to divide this episode up into three. We are going to talk about the when. We are going to talk about the why, necessary questions to ask yourself. And we're going to talk about the what, what to do to ensure that you're ready to date.

But let's start with the when, Mel. So you mentioned there coming out of a divorce or a long-term relationship. And I think very often there's so much processing that you're. you have to do as an individual on an emotional level before you feel ready to be equipped to do anything, let alone date, what would be some guidance that you would give someone going through that? I do hear this one a lot because quite often well-meaning friends will say things like get back on the horse, you know, get back out there, all you need is, you know, a rebound fleeing and you'll be fine. But that's not always the case. And I think

a really sensible thing to do once you find yourself suddenly single is to invest in yourself, to date yourself really is your first step. And part of that, of course, is processing the hurt and the pain and everything that went on in that previous relationship so that nothing's left unexamined. I think that's really important. But then there are some really important questions I think you need to ask yourself about your date readiness, which is a thing. Let's call it what it is. It's date readiness. That's what we're talking about here. And it happens on a number of levels in terms of the way you're thinking about dating and about yourself and about partners, the way you feel about it, and the things that you're actually doing or feeling ready to do.

Now, you mentioned the rebound there. And one of the things I was wondering is whether a rebound, it gets a lot of negative press, but whether sometimes it can be quite a good thing. So is a rebound always a bad idea? Not necessarily. And I think it's really important to have your dating goals clear when you're stepping into new experiences. So, for example, if you've come out of that long-term relationship, you might say, okay, for the short term, let's say for the next 12 months, I'm going to date in the most fun

and frivolous way. I am not going to be looking for the one. I'm going to be looking for lots of ones. Situationships, you know, lots of different experiences to sort of have a tasting plate of dates so that I can get a little bit of a seat. Date tapas. Yeah, exactly. We're going to do it the Spanish way.

We'll have some date tapas and see what we like, what we don't like and try things on for size. I think what's important there is there isn't confusion between what might be a lighthearted encounter, getting it confused with the next big relationship. Because I think some people make the mistake of the first relationship experience having to be the one, having to be the next big thing. And it really doesn't. You can get so much out of a lighter relationship experience where you can learn so much about yourself. What about though, if you are a woman of a certain age, as we both were, and there's the issue of children

and biological clock and all of that stuff, because I was very aware of that and I felt, well, I need to be ready to date now, because I need to find someone in order to lock them in so that I can then have the family that I always thought I would have because time is running out. The pressure. There was so much pressure. And as regular listeners of How to Fail will know, that story had a different ending for me from the one that I anticipated. And it's one that I am fully at peace with now and that has so much fulfillment in it.

But at the time, I was very aware of that time pressure. So how can we separate those two things? How do we know what is us and what is social condition? So it's so tricky, isn't it? Because we have this biological imperative, and it's not something that we can fight. And, you know, when I was starting my dating coaching practice, this is where I specialized, was with women in their late 30s to early 40s who were having this exact experience. Because I found it so interesting because even though I was 39 when I met my partner,

I didn't have the ticking clock. So I became fascinated by it. And what I started to see in my clients was this incredible desperation, this urgency to basically, as soon as the music stops, grab the first person, you know, who's available. And it doesn't obviously always work because it's often very reactive response to someone who happens to show interest in you rather than making that really conscious strategic choice about a partner. Yes. So I think when you are in that position where your biology, is telling you one thing and perhaps your brain is telling you something else. You need to be able to separate those out.

But at the same time, deal with the reality. And part of that, I believe, is about being incredibly honest and upfront with potential partners. You know, not necessarily just sexual partners. If you just want to have fun, that's great. You know, they don't need to know your business. But if you are feeling like you're ready to meet your next partner, don't shy away from that conversation because it's your most important values-based.

decision. I totally agree. And I think that there is a lot of rubbish spoken about when is appropriate to bring certain subjects up. And actually, I felt when I was going through the dating process that that veered perilously close to playing games. Yes. And actually it meant that I wasn't showing up as my authentic self, because this was something that was really important to me. And if someone was going to be scared off by the thing that was most important to me, then they weren't the person for me. Exactly. And that's the most important point here. You know, you probably heard people say things like, oh, don't be honest about that. You'll scare the men away. Well, guess what? Scare them in a way. Because those are not the men you want to date. Yeah. And

scare the women away too if they're not the right people. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I think there's a fear that, you know, we often have going into dating that if I show up as my real, authentic, raw self, I might put someone off. That's okay, because that's part of the process of screening people out. You're not just screening people in, you screen them out as well. And I think when you arrive at that realization, it's actually very empowering because you realize that you're going on these dates to assess them. It's not just them assessing you.

Sometimes I think the cleverest way of understanding if you're ready is to retrofit it. What are some things that show that you're not ready to date? Okay. Okay, great question. And again, I hear this one a lot because so often I meet people who are in, have delved into the dating process and they weren't ready. And they're having disaster after disaster. Maybe they keep dating the same person in different clothing. Or maybe they're constantly going after commitment phobics and they can't figure out why. So retrofitting, going back a little bit and saying, okay, imagine you're about to start dating now. Here are some questions. to ask yourself. I mean, one of them, I think, before we even enter into date readiness, is have you resolved your previous relationship? Yes. Of course, going into the next relationship with all that baggage, it's never going to go

away, of course. That is part of who you are. And that's actually quite beautiful, you know, because you've got lessons that you've taken from previous relationships that you're bringing in. But I'm talking about the rawness of the emotion. You know, can you talk about your previous relationships? relationship without being emotional? You know, do you tear up every time you mention his or her name?

Or is there a little bit of emotional separation there where you can sort of say, well, that was a fully contained experience with a start, a middle, and an end, and I'm now past that. Are you there yet? And if you are, that's a good sign that you can start thinking about date readiness. I think that's so wise. And I think definitely one of the things that I struggled with was I still had a feeling of anger over past relationships that had gone awry in some way and a feeling of being really let down and a feeling of being emotionally cheated, if not physically cheated on, that sense that someone had promised me something but actually turned out not to be capable of delivering that. And I think taking that forwards into a new relationship can be incredibly damaging.

And actually what that does is it narrows the opportunity for that person to show up as themselves because you're already overlapping who they really are with fears from your past, that someone is going to be annoyed with you because you've left a teaspoon on the counter. Those things can actually be very triggering. aren't they? Yeah. And on that behavioural level, you can be really driven by those unconscious feelings toward your previous partner.

And it might come across as, for example, punishing your new partner when they haven't actually done anything wrong. You know, resentment can actually build up. As you say, you're anticipating things that they might do. They probably won't. Yes. But it can become quite toxic. We get a lot of questions on how to date about how to process heartbreak.

in order to be ready. Do you have any top tips, Mel? Firstly, don't do it alone. You know, I think there is a tendency to think, stiff up a lip, especially us Brits, right? The royal we there. I should be able to muddle my way through this and get on with it on my own,

but you certainly don't have to do it on your own. And I think, you know, everyone in your life has had some experience with heartbreak, whether it's through actual intimate relationships or family or even, you know, workplace breakups. Best friend breakups. You know, we've all had experience with that. So being able to join together with other people, like-minded people, and, you know, have a bit of a collective cry. You know, the debrief, the unpacking together, the validation and normalization that you get from

sharing your experience is so, so important. Firstly, to not feel alone, but also to feel like you're not going a little bit mad, you know, that all the feelings you're having are actually quite normal. But I think it's probably worth noting here too that if, you know, there is more going on for you than just a little bit of heartbreak, you know, not all relationships are created equal and, of course, not all people's level of resilience and capacity to bounce back is equal. If you are in a position where you're struggling, where, you know, you really feel like you cannot stop thinking about this relationship, you are constantly ruminating on it, you're feeling down, you're unable to perhaps focus on your work or other things.

Those are signs that you probably need to speak to a psychologist. So let's just put that out there as something that's really important to note here. But I guess within that kind of normal range of heartbreak, definitely debriefing with friends, I think there's some really fun rituals that you can do as a way of letting go. you know, something that I know some people do is write down a thank you letter to their ex, thanking them for all the lessons, you know, it can be quite lighthearted, it might be quite heavy in certain parts, but a big thank you and then a thanks but no thanks at the end and then burn it or screw it up and put it in the bin. You know, those sorts of rituals can

be quite symbolic and can actually cut beneath, you know, some of the conscious thinking and actually go a little bit deeper, which can be a really nice way to kind of move through some of that. Yes. And if you wrote that letter whilst listening to Ariana Grande's thank you next. Brilliant. That song got me through a lot of break-ups, I tell you. I love it. What about some of the negative reasons that we feel compelled to date? So dating from a place of fear, fear of being left behind, fear that all of your contemporaries are finding their match, settling down. Can fear be a good thing ever? Look, it often leads to an anxious attachment style, you know, and I know we're going to

talk about that more on this podcast. The flash of recognition on my face. Absolutely. And that's coming from a place of fear, often fear of rejection or abandonment. And, you know, if you think about it logically, going into a relationship already. expecting that person to reject you or to hurt you, of course he's going to lead to a whole trail of thinking, feeling and acting. You know, if we come back to those basics of cognitive behavioral therapy, which is really

where I sort of grew up in my psychological life, it essentially says that what you think controls what you feel and what you feel controls what you do. So when you're thinking or your self-talk or that internal monologue is saying things like she's going to reject me he's going to hurt me all men lie all women cheat you know these are really common mantras that some people bring into new relationships and of course those thoughts lead to what kind of emotion would you imagine a terror and anxiety fear and walking on eggshells and second guessing everything your partner's doing perhaps feeling suspicious building up jealousies because that insecurities is not being met.

And then, of course, that flows through into the actions, you know, all of a sudden you're checking their phone or, you know, you're not trusting what's going on when they're out with their friends. So I think fear left unchecked is a real sign that you're not quite date ready. Yes. And actually, that's such a good way of putting it because fear, it's not that you should ignore it, it's signaling that you need to tackle something. And that goes back to that idea, the Mel Schilling brackets, TM, close brackets, idea of dating yourself, which I think is super important. If I look at my own experience, I was in a series of long-term monogamous relationships from the age of 19 to 36, okay?

I sort of went back to back, partly because of that fear, that fear of being on my own, of being left behind in some way, of being less worthy because I wasn't with someone. But what that did is that it meant that I became someone who outsourced her sense of self to the relationship that I was in. And I tried to understand what my partner wanted and then fit myself to that mould. And I had not taken the time to understand my own desires in so many ways. And I think that the only way that you can do that, if this is ringing any bells with you as you're listening, the only way that I could do that was actually to spend time on my own

and whether that is just taking yourself off to the cinema on your own or allowing yourself to have a lion one morning and reading a book in bed with a cup of tea all of these things that seem like you're treading water actually you're doing something that is integrally important you are understanding who you are on your own two feet And I think that it's only then that you can really fully show up as yourself because you've got to know yourself. Absolutely.

And I think that's the foundation from which you can then develop what do I want in a partner. Because really, without doing that work, you really can't have a stable sense of what you want. It reminds me of a tree without roots. And it is quite literally blowing in the wind and just responding to. swipes that you're getting on an app, you know, pings on a GPS. You're not actually stopping, grounding yourself, putting down those roots and thinking in a conscious and mindful way, what do I want? What is going to serve me? What is going to bring out my best in a relationship?

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It's basically the fundamental question of life, Mel. In three words or less, how do we know? And the answer is, oh, the mic's just broken. That is such a big question. And I think, again, this is where it comes back to, don't do it on your own. You know, I love the idea of dating clubs or a dating buddy, you know, the idea that you can have a friend, someone who's going through this process at the same time as you or who's perhaps been through it before, to have these conversations with. And when it comes to, am I ready to date, if I am, why am I wanting to step into this next relationship?

Those are really great questions to ponder on your own in a journal. You know, the why, because it's such an open-ended question, you know, that free association just writing without any structure, I think is such a wonderful creative activity to do. Why do I want to be in a strong positive relationship? And, you know, listener, I think you'll be surprised what comes up. And, you know, that's a really good starting point with the why. And you'll probably notice some themes coming through in there. And often it's about, you know, what is going to fulfill me.

You know, you mentioned about filling your cup. I think that's such a great analogy here. If you're going to step into your next great relationship, what is going to fill your cup? I also want to say that you don't have to date that if you are genuinely happy, stable, secure, being single and being in a wonderful relationship with yourself and with your platonic friends, that's what you're going. Yes. That's great. Absolutely. And I think there might be some people listening to this, or maybe they're not listening because they reject the entire premise, who'd state proudly, I'm fine as I am, I don't need anyone and I don't want to date. And on the one hand, there are genuinely individuals who I do believe that of. On the other hand, I know friends of mine who say that, but deep down, I feel that they are rejecting, they are avoiding something. And so they're saying that. but actually deep down they would like to meet someone, but they are intimidated by the idea of putting themselves out there. So what would your recommendation be?

Maybe we could both talk about this, really, about how to get over that worry about presenting yourself on the apps. I mean, I know we're going to delve into it more deeply in a future episode, but maybe we could just touch on it now. With you, Mel, when you found your husband, that was on E-Harmony, wasn't it? How did you find the wherewithal to go online? Did it scare you? I wouldn't say it scared me, but I was very avoidant.

So my style was very, I had a lot of denial going on. And I put up this incredible wall, this very, very tough wall. My friend said I had F off written across my forehead if anyone came near me. And believe it or not, I may be five foot, but apparently I was intimidated. That's so cool. I wish I was more like you. I had anxious, desperation across my forehead, I think. Well, neither of us were going to find happiness, really. It's a miracle we've ended up where we are. Well, we got through it. And because I had to become aware of it. And I actually had friends challenged me on it where I was saying, you know, like you were saying earlier, I don't want a relationship. I don't need a relationship. I'm single and fabulous. I'm great on my own. And there were a couple of friends who just would quietly say to me, but really, do you really want to stay on your own?

And, you know, when I listened to that very quiet little voice inside my head as I would lay my head on the pillow at night, you know that those few moments between a wake and asleep when there's nothing but you and your pillow and blatant honesty, those are the moments when I reflected and thought, I would love to be. lying next to someone here who is just my perfect match. But I wouldn't dare say that out loud because if I say that out loud, what if I meet someone and they reject me? Or what if I meet someone and they leave me? It was that fear of being vulnerable, I think, for me. So what was it then that brought that wall down? Well, it all happened around the same time as I was becoming a dating coach. So I had this almost parallel process happening in my professional life and in my personal life. So I started doing some little mini social experiments with myself. So I started, well, I told myself I was doing experiments. Yes. So it's almost like I tricked myself into online

dating. Clever psychology. Right. What's going on there? Something going on there is very complex, but it got me in there. And I realized that there were some really positive things coming up. But I also got feedback from people. You know, one of them was from an ex about coming across as intimidating, which at first I found funny, but then I thought it through. And I thought, it's not really funny. It's actually a massive defence mechanism going on here.

And in a later episode, I'll talk about one of those first aid experiences where it was all about the wall and there was really none of the real me showing through. Was it intimidating when you went, I mean, do we call it E-Harmony an app? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Was it intimidating for you going on the apps? Because I think in my head, this is how naive I was. I was like, well, maybe it would be really fun because the world of dating had changed so much. I was like, well, this is a way of opening the doors to lots of people that I might not have met otherwise. So I think I was probably quite optimistic when I went on the apps, and I didn't feel that scared.

How did you feel about it? Smug. Smug. I felt smug. As I'm listening to you describe your experience and your beautiful optimism and openness. I didn't have any of that. I went, there was a real smugness. I went in there, and you'll hear this in my telling.

It's absolutely a defence mechanism. I wasn't really smugged. I was projecting smugness, and I was almost looking back, I think I went into it looking down at the men. Yeah. Even though you'll fly foot. That's a physical impossibility, but I did it. I managed to do it.

And I can remember, you know, almost whilst I was on some of these dates, thinking about the mean nickname that I was going to make for this boy to tell my girlfriends later, you know, I wasn't taking it seriously. And I think I almost gave myself. permission to do that because I was doing it as part of my sort of experimentation and learning about it for my clients. But it was also an excuse for me not to let the walls down. And I realized that. You know, I can remember sitting opposite one guy and he was really serious about having a family. And all I could think was he's interviewing my womb. And that's all I could focus on for the

entire chat. And I'm sure I wasted a really nice opportunity there to get to know someone who was probably really good boyfriend material because in my mind I was putting him down. Fascinating. So do you think you were ready to date? No. I wasn't. I really wasn't. And it's interesting that Gareth, who is now my husband, was able to cut through that. And a lot of that was to do with, you know, we talk about flirty banter or flanta. You know, that's definitely a a thing but for him it was it was intelligent banter that I didn't get from anybody else and that seemed to be the key that sort of magic ingredient that dropped my walls surprisingly so we've spoken about the when and the why and now we're going to move on to the what which is all about

breaking old habits which we've already touched on and I'd love to talk to you here about checklists. Yes. Because many of us do approach any potential date with a checklist of things that we want to tick off and that we believe our mythically perfect future partner will have. Yes. Now, for me, there's a thin line between that and actually, as we've spoken about, being clear about the sort of relationship that you want to invite into your life and the sort of relationship you want to have with yourself. And you spoke about journaling or even writing a letter

to your X. And I actually did something before I met Justin, who you know is now my husband, and I met him on Hinge. I did something where I wrote, and I don't think it was a checklist, but I wrote down everything that I would ideally want in a partner. And that included things like is supportive of my goals as well as, I mean, ideally, he'd be within my age range and devastatingly handsome. I was like, you know, there's no boundaries, there's no barriers, let me write everything down. And actually, there was something very clarifying about that process. And I don't think I did put devastating handsome down there because I was like, actually, that's not important to me. It's not part of my core values. Kindness is much more important to me. And I wrote it down.

I wrote it in pen on paper and then I lit it a light and I let it burn into ashes and then I scattered the ashes into the wind so that there's all four elements. There was water. There was wood. There was what are the elements? Anyway, it was all four of them. Fire. Yeah. And actually, I took a photo of that list before I burnt it. And when I met Justin and when I got to know him, I realised, I fished it out of my photo library on my phone and I realised that he absolutely met every single one of the criteria. And it was so interesting. And yes, I might be a bit sort of spiritually aligned

in that I do kind of believe in a power greater than us. But actually, I don't think that's just magic. I think that's about clarity of intention and then what you are looking for and what you're inviting in. Now, is that different from a checklist, Mel? What I like about what you've said there is you were defining things that were a lot deeper than the superficial. And, you know, often, you know, I am involved in a little show. Yes, let's talk about married at first sight.

Thank goodness we've got onto it. I don't know if you've heard of it, yes. And they're constantly talking about types. That's right. My type is a petite brunette. Oh, my gosh, that whines me up so much. Yes, absolutely. and the long-scroll list of all the things I want and don't want in a partner.

And quite often, they are very superficial or they're just meaningless. You know, really, when if you quiz the person on this particular criteria, it doesn't mean anything to them. You know, it's just something that they, often it's tied up with ego and with status and how they would be perceived by others if they had someone like that on their arm. That was very interesting, yes. So it doesn't run much deeper than that. But what I like about what you've described there, for example, someone who supports my goals or someone who is kind, these are the kinds of things that I think should make up 80% of your list.

I think if you've got 80% covering internal factors, then you can play around with that 20% that are more external. And the 20% should be more fluid, flexible, things that, you know, they're not deal breakers at all. Maybe we should talk about deal breakers because I think that's pretty important. It's important here, isn't it? Definitely. I think it's really important to make sure that your deal breakers are linked to your values. So, for example, the one that you just said there about someone who is supportive of my goals, that may be linked to a value of ambition, for example, or independence.

That is a really legitimate deal breaker to have, you know, as opposed to must not have hairy digits, you know. When she's saying digits, she means fingers. Yes. Not a hairy phone number would be a deal breaker. It would be, I think. But the fingers, you know, or white shoes. You know, these are the kinds of things that I hear from people as deal breakers. And, you know, I've known particularly some women that I've worked with who've said,

if he turns up and, for example, he's not wearing a belt, it's game over. As someone who's only recently started wearing belts Because I always find them tricky items of clothing I think that's so unfair It's very unfair You've actually heard that I heard that's wild But you're right

To bring it back to values as much as you possibly can Is a very important thing So let's touch on attachment styles What should we be aware of When it comes to attachment styles What should we be aware of when we are ready to date. Look, I think so many people who are out there dating at the moment are aware of attachment

styles. It has become very popular. I know it's big on TikTok. And so it's sort of flowing through into the world of dating. And I think we can probably focus on it too much. So I think let's not get too heavy here. But it's a great piece of awareness. It's a great piece of self-awareness.

I'm all for anything that he's going to build self-awareness. And, you know, if you're just aware, even at a heart, high level. If when you're in a relationship, you tend to be a little bit anxious or you, you know, you have that fear response and you're worried, for example, you have worries that your partner is going to leave or reject you. You might be anxiously attached. You know, that might mean that when you're in a relationship, you're a little bit clingy. You know, you're a bit uncomfortable about letting your partner have some freedom. And of course, you know, these kinds of behaviours can be very stifling, very unhelpful in a relationship. Then there's the

avoidant, which is what I was describing I was when I was single, and not only avoiding dating altogether, but when I was getting into relationships, there were pretty much always people who were emotionally unavailable. So I was setting myself up for failure. That's classic self-sabotage. So avoidant people, when you get into a relationship, you often put the barriers up when it comes to being intimate. You don't really get vulnerable, keep things at a bit of a safe distance. And of course, that can cause all sorts of problems in a relationship as well. So ideally, what we're hoping for is a secure style of attachment, which basically means, you know, you're happy being in a relationship,

you've got some independence of your own as well, you trust, you trust that's such an important part of being securely attached, is it's based on trust in yourself and also in your partner. You mentioned married at first sight. What is, do you think, the number one reason that you determine people are not ready to date on that show? What's the thing that comes up again and again? A big one is in flexibility, and often that is around type, whether it's this is the type of person I usually date, therefore I can't allow myself to open up to you, or I'm going to be judgmental about the kind of person you are

because you are different from those I've dated before. But really, if we take that helicopter view here, what we're describing is in flexibility of thought. And that's no good in any relationship, whether it's a friendship or work relationship, family, or an intimate relationship. You know, one of the goals of a secure attachment and, you know, basically just being a good human,

is having flexibility in the way that you have relationships. So not being too fixed about my relationship has to do X and Y, but saying to yourself, if Z comes up, how might I respond? What could be the opportunities in Z? I mean, I know I'm a slightly off topic, but do you ever deliberately match people who you know are going to challenge their inflexibility? Yes.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think there's such growth in that. I mean, I believe from a compatibility perspective, There can be like attracts like, and we can see couples who are very similar and they work out, but also at the same time, opposites attract, and I think both things can be true. And I've definitely seen fantastic relationships in both of those models. But what I really love is seeing those opposites attract relationships where there is that challenging and the most incredible growth can happen in those relationships.

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We've worked out that we're ready to date. Sorry, husbands, we're off. We're going to jump back in the pool. But I would love to know if you have a practical exercise that could help our listeners determine if they are indeed ready to date. So one of the guiding principles of date readiness really is having a positive dating mindset. And, you know, of course, we all bring so much baggage and experience from previous relationships. And that's a given.

So we're not going to say having baggage is a bad thing. It's just how it shows up and what you do with it. So this is about assessing your own readiness through your mindset. I love that, that baggage is not a bad thing. It's actually how you understand it and how you use it going forward. Yes. What a great note. Good.

I won't interrupt now. So we have two axes, if you like. So two scales. One is about your beliefs about dating and one is about your actions. So both have a really symbiotic relationship. So when it comes to your beliefs, are they low beliefs about dating? So things like, I don't think I'll ever. meet the right person or I don't deserve to be happy in a relationship. You can hear that they're

very negative kinds of beliefs and they're going to lead to probably quite negative behaviours. The other end of that scale, so high beliefs when it comes to dating, would be things like my next great relationship is just around the quarter. So you can see that's that really positive open belief or I'm ready for a positive relationship. So you're really signaling to yourself and to the universe that I'm ready. And then the other scale is about your actions. So what you're actually prepared to do with that. So low actions might be things like, I'm not prepared to go out and meet people. Apparently, my great love is going to fall out of the sky and land on my couch. Or I'd rather focus on other things like my career than go on

dates. So they're quite avoidant. Through to the top end of that scale, things like, I'm ready to initiate potential dates. So that's not just reacting to dates, but actually being proactive here. Or I'm happy to go out and approach others and create new connections. So the first task here is to plot yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of your beliefs and your actions. So interesting. And also, when you were talking about the high vibrating beliefs, they sounded like affirmations as well. If you are struggling and if you are inclined to, you are inclined to, think pessimistically, would you suggest actually just physically saying those higher beliefs to yourself? Absolutely. I'd say print them out, put them all around your house, make them your

wallpaper on your phone, that will be those reminders, those high vibe affirmations about your readiness to date. Oh, and those phone wallpapers are downloadable right now at thepodclass.com. UK, and they are really beautiful. Now, once you've got yourself plotted on the beliefs and the actions, you can then go to this little map, and it will essentially let you know where you're at in terms of your mindset. Now, none of these are right or wrong. They're really just pieces of data that can tell you where you're at now.

They're just an extra piece of self-awareness, which of course is so key here. So if you have really high beliefs and you really feel ready. and want that relationship, but you're not prepared to take action, then that's what I would call blind faith. You're just believing that something outside yourself is going to happen. You know, if I think hard enough, he or she will come. Well, they probably won't unless you take action. Coming takes work.

I believe that's another episode as well. Then what if you have low beliefs and low action? That's only going to lead to pessimism because you don't necessarily believe. you're ready for it and you're not prepared to do anything about it. So that's complete avoidance or just someone who's not stepping into the dating pool at all. Then we have this one I find very interesting where you're high on the actions but low on the beliefs. So you're taking lots of action.

You may be going on lots of dates. You may be on all the apps. But you haven't really put any thought into it. You don't really know what is it you want, for example. You're just blowing in the wind and therefore you're on auto. pilot. So what we really are looking for here, the ideal place to be, is in realistic optimism. So you have that positive set of beliefs, you feel ready, and you're prepared to back it up with positive action. You're out there. You're trying. And the low belief can also be about

yourself. It can be, I'm not worthy, no one will love me. Absolutely. Okay. So this set of beliefs is about yourself, a potential partner and relationships in general. So interesting. I honestly do wish I'd had this at my disposal when I was dating. So much of what I was doing was led by a kind of willful blindness. And this is so helpful because it helps you be proactive, considered stable and positive as you're going into dating. Okay, Mel, I think we've covered all of the bases. But I just think this episode has shown how much we have to discuss. And also, I know from the feedback that I've got from Instagram followers, from listeners of how it's fail, how much this pod class is needed. And it was part of the reason I was really passionate

about doing it. And as you know, I am really passionate about making expertise accessible. And the idea is that the podcast is a limited series. So we will be with you in your ears for eight episodes plus one bonus at the end. You can follow us on a week by week journey or you can choose to subscribe and binge all of the episodes at once. But the idea is that by the end of this how to date pod class, you will have your dating toolkit. You will know what you need to do and you will, we hope, feel really empowered to take the next steps whatever they are for you. And we really hope that you meet someone along the way and maybe the best person you meet will be yourself. That's beautiful. We can't wait to see you next week when we'll be talking about

meeting someone, which is the eternal question. So we very much hope that you will join us next week for episode two of How to Date with me, Elizabeth Day, and me, Mel Schilling. We can't wait. See you then. Bye. How to Date is proudly sponsored by Morrison's. Mel and I are on a mission to revolutionise dating. We want to make it better for everyone. And what better way to do that than to get you lovely listeners to sign up to a good dating pledge. Mel and I have designed 10 dating commandments, things like I will communicate clearly and with kindness. I will not ghost or breadcrum. I will always ask consent. And you can go and sign up just by putting your email in. That's all we ask. You can go and sign up at thepodclass.com.uk. That's the podclass p-od.com.

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