How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett - Bummed About NO Good Matches on the Apps? These 15 Quick Fixes Will Turn Your Profile into a Match Magnet (Live Coaching with Zach)

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

It’s Christmas, and Santa Connell has a gift for you: Matches galore on the dating apps! Because endless swiping and ZERO matches makes you say, “ho, ho, NO!” It’s getting old, right? In this ...episode of the “How to Get a Girlfriend” podcast, dating coach Connell Barrett helps his client Zach fix the same issues that frustrate you. Zach—a personal trainer and 40-year-old single dad—learns 15 proven online-dating moves to turn his phone into a date-generating machine. And hey, the more good matches you have, the sooner you can attract a wonderful girlfriend who loves you for you.Here are some of the strategies Connell shares with Zach. You’re about to learn:6:41: How to Maximize Online-Dating Success with Minimal Effort (15 Minutes Daily!)8:49: Why Being a Single Dad is a Feature, Not a Flaw—and How to Talk about it On Your Profile14:35: Connell Crafts a Clever, Authentic “DILF” Prompt for Zach that Women Will Love17:49: The 3 Photos Every Man MUST Have on his Hinge, Bumble or Tinder Profile21:08: The Secret to Writing Funny Prompts that Make Her Message YOU First23:18: Boosting your Profile: When, Why and How to Do It27:07: From Matching to Texting to Getting the First Date, in 3 Simple Steps30:04: How to use Video Clips to Skyrocket Your Matches32:15: The 5 Big Profile Mistakes You Didn’t Know You Were Making55:43: Hinge Hack: How to Write Poll Prompts to Triple Your Matches1:01:17: How to Date Without Drinking Alcohol and Still Have FunHit “play” now and start getting good matches on the apps.FOR A FREE STRATEGY CALL WITH CONNELL TO LEARN HOW TO HAVE GREAT FIRST DATES:http://www.datingtransformation.com/contactTO GET FREE ACCESS TO “THE FLIRTY 30,” CHARMING QUESTIONS TO ASK WOMEN ON DATES, ON THE APPS, AND WHEN YOU APPROACH:http://www.datingtransformation.com/FLIRTY30WANT A FREE COPY OF CONNELL’S NO. 1 AMAZON BESTSELLING BOOK, “DATING SUCKS BUT YOU DON’T”? EMAIL CONNELL AND WRITE “FREE BOOK” IN THE SUBJECT LINE AND YOU’LL GET IT INSTANTLY:Connell@datingtransformation.comQuotes"Transparency fosters genuine connections and sets clear expectations." - Zach"The focus on self-improvement paves the way for deeper connections and fulfilling relationships." - Zach

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's a little bit of a limiting belief that a lot of men think, oh man, I have a kid, I have baggage, women aren't going to like that. Well, it's not hurting Nick Cannon. Welcome back to the How to Get a Girlfriend podcast. I am your host, dating coach Connell Barrett. I am here to help you learn to flirt, get more dates, and get a great girlfriend. And do it with authenticity and integrity in class. No sketchy pickup artist moves needed. No toxic nonsense. Merry Christmas and happy holidays. This episode is dropping on Christmas Eve,
Starting point is 00:00:43 and there's a really good chance you're listening to this during the holiday season. And the holidays are a tough time for a lot of people. Maybe they're a tough time for you. If you're anything like I was back when I was struggling with my dating life, you get lonely at times. And it was hardest for me during the holidays. I remember, so I'm the youngest of six. I grew up in a big Irish Catholic family in Ohio. I'm the baby of six kids. I was the miracle baby. And I remember one Christmas when we were taking photos, all the six kids were taking photos, and there was a group photo that all five of my siblings was in the photo with their partner, either their boyfriend, girlfriend, or their husband and wife. And I didn't have anybody. And I remember I picked up the family dog, fuzzy little white dog named Shamrock. And just as a
Starting point is 00:01:41 half joke, I picked up Shamrock while all my siblings had their partners in this photo. And my big brother Devin cracked a joke. He said, hey, look, Connell's got his girlfriend with him. And I laughed and everybody laughed. But I was actually feeling really lonely and sad. And I remember thinking, oh, man, why do I have to spend Christmas with my dog and not have somebody to be with? So anyway, if you are a guy who is feeling lonely right now, this time of year, I know how it feels. I remember how it feels. I remember having some pretty lonely, hopeless times, or at least they felt hopeless at the time. And the good news is I'm here for you. This podcast is here for you. Think of me as your wingman, your digital audio podcast wingman. I'm here to help
Starting point is 00:02:34 you make sure that if you are alone this year in 2024, let's make this the last year you are alone in terms of a romantic partner. I'm sure you're not alone in life, but if you're alone in terms of relationship, in terms of not having a girlfriend, let's make this the last lonely Christmas, okay? I'll do everything I can to help make sure that next year, you absolutely will have an incredible girlfriend to share the holidays with. So if you're having a tough Christmas, know that this will pass. If I could go from holding a dog as my Christmas date to having the world's greatest girlfriend and having a lot of dating success, and hell, I didn't just become a guy who could get a girlfriend. I became a dating coach. So if I can do this, anybody can, including you. Anyway, let's get to today's episode.
Starting point is 00:03:25 It's another coaching session with my client, Zach. Zach's a brand new client. This is our very first official coaching call. And you're going to love it because we're going to go deep on all kinds of different online dating struggles that you probably have, especially a lack of matches and a lack of dates. We got 15 plus really good tips to help you get more matches, more dates, and have some really good dating success on the apps so you can get a great
Starting point is 00:03:50 girlfriend in 2025. Enjoy the episode. All right, Zach, what's on your mind tonight, man? How can I help you? All right, Mr. Connell. So I think the big thing that has been on my mind and I've kind of been going back and forth on a little bit and struggling with is, I think part of it is, is what I'm looking for realistic. And I'll kind of outline that in a second. And then how do I go about trying to find that? Right. So you and I have talked about this obviously a bunch, which is, you know, I'm, uh, I separated
Starting point is 00:04:20 from my wife about a year ago. Um, and you know, we will be getting divorced in the early part of this year. Thankfully, super amicable, no drama, probably one of the nicest divorces of all time. But you know, I'm, I'm in a situation where I'm, I want, maybe I don't even know what I want, which is probably one of the problems too. But, um, I want to go out. I want a date, but I want, which is probably one of the problems too. But I want to go out. I want to date, but I am very limited in my time. My son spends every Saturday with me. I'm with my family until about 8.15, 8.30, Sunday night through Thursday night. Friday night is really the only night I can get out. So I don't have a lot of time. So I think one of the things I'm struggling with is how do I, how do I, and I
Starting point is 00:05:05 also want to be upfront with any woman that I'm dating. I'm not in this to play games. I'm not, for multiple reasons, I just want to be very straightforward about my situation. So like, how do I go about finding, and I think I'm, and again, if I'm struggling to construct a good question, it's because I have multiple parts of this question, but it's how do I do this with so limited time? How do I find a woman who's going to be accepting of the limited time that I have? And are there women out there who would be happy to find a guy where maybe we're talking on the phone a couple of times a week. The main time we're going out is Friday. But I'm not going to be both physically and emotionally available, at least not right now, because my son is my priority.
Starting point is 00:05:56 You know what I mean? Yeah. So you're talking about how do you find the time to date women or how do you find the time to be looking to date women like swiping and going out to meet women watching I think the looking is that I've got down I just kind of set aside 15 to 20 minutes it's minimum 10 to 15 minutes every night right like I'm just like I gotta set the habit gotta set the pattern and I guess that's another question for you do you think that that is a good approach where it's it you know every night it's almost like you guys got to go do your workout. Like there's the 15 minutes, you got to do it no matter what's going on. And you just put in the time, you make it a consistent pattern.
Starting point is 00:06:33 You think that's a good idea? Absolutely. I like to think of swiping three, four or five days a week as going to the gym for a half hour, instead of wiping off sweaty uh leg extension seats and bench press posts you're swiping on the apps but the good news is you can do that in your pajamas 100 you and i can attest to it because i've done it many times you're doing this interview in your pajamas i assume i am in my pajamas right now yeah Yeah. Knowing you, uh, I'm not, but, um, so then second question, the second question then is what do you do or what is the advice that you give your guys who are very pressed for time when it comes to dating? How do you date with limited time to actually date? Well, I would focus on quality over quantity, which means you're already doing the right things.
Starting point is 00:07:25 You have new and improved photos. We looked at your online dating. I know you worked with my girl, Rianne, who takes all photos from my guys in New York City who want new and improved photos. Once you're getting some good traction on Hinge or whatever dating app you're on, in your case it's Hinge, then the app will be doing a lot of the work for you. Yeah. You know, your dating profile is a piece of marketing.
Starting point is 00:07:51 And it's out there 24-7. So with reasonably good profile and photos, you'll hopefully be getting some good traction, some good matches on a regular basis and very invested matches. So I guess my answer to your question is, how do you get maximum dating value with little time? At least with online dating, you have a profile that gets women very excited about you and makes it easier to get them out on dates with you. So you don't have to spend hours and hours texting forever and ever.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Texting longer than a Shakespearean soliloquy, that takes forever. But if women get really into you, if they're like, oh my God, this guy, Zach, handsome, fit. He's got that Jason Statham thing going, funny prompt, haha, giggle, giggle. I'll match with him. And then you won't have to work as hard to get the date with her. And you could be more efficient. And that's basically how to do it online is make your profile so damn good. You get some really good leads who are excited about you. And then you date them with minimal texting and more efficiency.
Starting point is 00:09:02 That's fantastic. Thank you. Can we dive into that a little bit more in terms of what, what makes a profile attractive enough to a woman where they are really like into you and you know, my profile, so you can dive into mine as well. And I guess the caveat with this too, is I think one of the things that I'm, I don't know, maybe the word is afraid of is like, because I have my son and like, am I even going to be attractive to women as someone who is, you know, getting out of a relationship, has a son? You know, I think that's kind of like an insecurity and almost like a fear of mine. Are you going to be attractive to women as a single dad is what you're asking yeah yeah i dated a woman many years ago named lauren and i remember one sunday afternoon i said hey what are you up to today she said oh uh me and the girls were gonna go to the park and uh check out the dilfs
Starting point is 00:09:55 and lauren was my wow girl times 10 at the time. So absolutely, there are lots of women who are looking to date dilfs, frankly, or looking to date men. And if you have a kid, it might be no big deal to her. She might actually like it. My view is being a parent is the most important job on the planet. What's more important than being a dad? And women like a guy with a great job. And you have two. You're a trainer and you're a dad. So it's a little bit of a limiting belief that a lot of men think, oh, man, I have a kid. I have baggage. Women aren't going to like that.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Well, it's, you know, it's not hurting Nick Cannon. He's got 17 kids. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. His canon needs to be put a cover on that thing. But anyway, bottom line is, look, there's going to be women who aren't looking to date a single dad. There's going to be plenty of women who are. And there's going to be women who are maybe kind of in that neutral zone.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And then they see charming, fit, funny, Zach. And they're like, all right, I'll give this a single data shot. So, yeah, we're obviously marketing toward women who are looking to date your kind of guy. So I think your point about limiting belief is that's the right term, because I think that's something that has been on my mind a lot as I started going into this process. And I think one of the last questions I'll ask about this, about being a father and the kid component, and then I want to go back to your point that you were making about how do you make a really, really attractive profile. But in terms of having a kid,
Starting point is 00:11:40 my sense has been it makes more sense to be upfront about this in my profile. Do you agree with that? Do you disagree with that? Because again, it's very important to me, both for my own time and for any woman I'm dating, I want to be very upfront about my situation in the beginning. So would you, would you advise, you know, making a point where it's like one of these, maybe it's on like a, on hinge where it's one of these prompts where it says, one thing you should know about me. Like, son, he's my absolute guy. I love him to death and I spend a ton of time with him. Something like that.
Starting point is 00:12:11 I would say don't tell her you have a kid until your third anniversary. Okay. Give her some time to get used to it. Maybe fifth anniversary? Should I just like totally closet this away? By the time of his bar mitzvah that's when she can learn the truth all right i'll to quote one of my old coaches back in the day he used to say well you can't fix you feature not that having a kid is something you need to fix
Starting point is 00:12:37 but the idea is hey if you have something that might some might see it as a flaw treat it as a feature how do we do that all right put it on your profile and do it as a feature. How do we do that? All right. Put it on your profile and do it in a way that might be a little bit fun or playful. So, for example, you might come up with a prompt that says something like, what is it? Say it again. Anybody want to borrow my kid?
Starting point is 00:13:08 Here to find my soulmate or maybe a babysitter. Right. That's not actually, that's not half bad. But basically, look, you just really, the point of a profile is to show off your personality and to show a glimpse of who you are. And obviously being a dad is part of who you are. And there's a way to do that in a way that expresses your authentic self. You're funny. So you, you know, I know we talked about this before, but you could write a funny prompt like, I hope you're looking for a DILF.
Starting point is 00:13:38 And then we come up with a funny way to spell out DILF. You know, I'm a DILF, a dad who's irresistible, loving, and, you know, forever true or something like that. So you can let women know that you're a dad, but you can do it in a way that makes her laugh. Now that might actually make her say to herself, well, I'm not looking to date a single dad, but wow, this guy is funny and I'm open to it but that's my my answer my long answer my short answer is i would definitely put something
Starting point is 00:14:10 on your profile because you want to think of your profile like i'm marketing to my ideal type of woman and it's you want to be able to weed out women who aren't definitely not looking to date a dad and that's fine that there's plenty of those and that will weed them out. It'll save, it'll make it more efficient for you. You're all about being efficient with your time, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. I think that's a really good point.
Starting point is 00:14:34 I, cause I do think I need to be efficient about this for sure. Totally. Totally. So I absolutely believe in, in making your profile, gearing it toward your exact type or somebody who fits that bill. And sure, that's going to weed out plenty of women, but also it's going to attract the right kind of women. And you living here in New York City, you live in the largest city in America. So you're not going to run out of options. So I would definitely lean into mentioning that you're a father and then we just test it.
Starting point is 00:15:08 We could also try one where we don't mention that on your profile, but you say it very upfront quickly if and when you start messaging with a woman. Kind of put that out there. There's different ways to approach it. As long as you tell the truth early, that's the important thing. Okay, cool. All right, cool. So question for you. You said something I thought was really interesting for the first time ever.
Starting point is 00:15:34 The only interesting thing I've ever said. Over a couple of minutes ago. I never liked you, Zach. I never liked you. No, honestly, man. I'm going to just bomb the rest of the time, and you're just going to have to edit this whole thing. You talk about building just an irresistible profile. Can we dive into that a little bit more? to help somebody, somebody being me in this case, obviously, just build like a, just a
Starting point is 00:16:07 rocking profile that is really attractive. And I can outline the type of woman I'm looking for, if you want to help kind of answer this question, but to my target woman or to anybody's target woman, you know what I mean? Sure. Absolutely. Well, it starts with the photos. Okay. And you want to hit them with a one, two, three punch. Those first three photos. You want me to punch one of these women? I want you to physically punch them because that's what alpha males do. Yeah, baby red pill. You're a fantastic coach. I call it the one two three punch because essentially here's how a woman is looking at your profile she's going to look at that first photo that's going to capture her attention as she's swiping and that first photo we want to be a really good portrait
Starting point is 00:16:57 yeah where you're well dressed you're looking at the camera you're smiling an authentic real smile and that's going to be enough to capture her attention. She's probably not going to swipe right, though. She's going to go to that second photo. We want the second photo might be jeans t-shirt on the beach throwing a frisbee doing something out in the world but another portrait because portraits are going to magnetize the most attention from women and then she's probably still not going to swipe right yet but now you've got her. And we want that third photo to be something very different than the first two.
Starting point is 00:17:48 We want to break that pattern. She's seeing two back-to-back portraits, but different vibes of you. In that third photo, we have lots of good options. We could do what I call an awe photo, as in, aw, that's so cute. That's adorable. Look, it's Zach at the zoo with the monkey it's um dancing oh i had a great little short video on my bumble profile a couple years ago it was me dancing at my niece's wedding with a little old lady who literally tried to try to grab my butt. Good for her, man. You can get it, right?
Starting point is 00:18:26 It's hard to find a butt for me. I don't have one, but she was looking. So the third photo, it could be a heart-tugging photo, showing some heart, showing some real, yeah, I guess heart is a good word for it. And then that really draws them in. So those first three photos, if you can get her really sucked in,
Starting point is 00:18:50 hooked in those first three photos, then she's going to get down to your profile. And that's where we kind of close the right swipe deal. So is it fair to say that with each one of these photos, you're trying to hit a different emotional button as well? Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it you're trying to throw different kinds of pasta on the wall to see what might stick right are there certain emotional and when i say buttons i don't mean this in like a manipulative way so maybe there's a better way to say it but is there like a certain emotions that you want to try to elicit from a woman when she
Starting point is 00:19:28 comes to your profile? Are there certain things that you're trying to communicate? Whether I don't know what those things would be, but are there, or is that getting too in the weeds and too specific? No, that's not too specific at all. I keep it simple. I'm trying to make her laugh on my profile, on my profile and most of my clients' profiles, I want to make her laugh and giggle. Not just because women like funny guys, which of course they do. But for this reason. Here's something women hate. They are so sick of dates that are boring, that are awkward, that are a waste of time.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Not because she's not going to marry you or you're not the right fit. It's just an awkward conversation or dull. And she goes on dates where he talks about politics and taxes and the stock market for two hours or talks at her. So by making her laugh, not only are you giving her that, that sort of emotional tickle, which they love, you're also sending a message that says, Oh, okay, well he, you know, maybe we're not going to fall in love, have 14 babies, but it'll be fun. We're going to laugh, going to have a good time. And that removes one of the biggest barriers that women throw up to matching with a guy or going on a date with
Starting point is 00:20:45 a guy. So I'm a big fan of making her laugh. Is there a way that you do that? A certain way you try to, I mean, communicate that or do that on a profile? I'm assuming it has to just be authentic coming from you. To make her laugh? Yeah, there's certain ways. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So can we dive into that a little bit more? Because that's something I've been trying to work out on my profile. I think it's been getting better. I mean, you know me. I'm a pretty light dude. I try to just keep it light and fun anyway. Yeah, but it's definitely different. Trying to communicate that through a profile versus just doing that. Can you read your prompts to me right now? Because it's really all about the prompts. Sure, man. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:21:26 These are a work in progress. Sure. For everybody who's listening, don't judge me too hard. Let's see. So I'll show you my hinge one, or I'll read it. Oh, this is a really random side question while I'm bringing this up. Go ahead. How often do you boost your profile?
Starting point is 00:21:49 How often do you recommend boosting your profile? And when would you do it? Because it just came up on my Hinge profile. I was like, oh, yeah, maybe I should do that. I'm a big fan of boosting to keep the good matches coming in. Because, look, the bottom line is if you pay for a boost and you have a quality profile, you're going to get some likes, some nibbles from at least some quality options. So some of my best matches came from a boost.
Starting point is 00:22:17 I believe if my memory serves, I believe I met my now girlfriend Jessamyn because my profile was being boosted at that time on the dating app I was on. It wasn't Hinge, it was The League. But I might not have a girlfriend, I might not have the girlfriend I have if it wasn't for a boost. So how often you do it, I mean, it does cost money every time, obviously. So you want to do it strategically, but do it once or twice a week on a Sunday through Wednesday in prime time between 7 and 10. So is that 7 to 10 p.m.? Roughly 7 to 10 p.m.
Starting point is 00:22:51 That's when a maximum number of women are going to be on their phones and looking to swipe for maybe a weekend date. So think Sunday through Wednesday, 7 to 10. So that's prime time and the nice thing about boosting is again if you have a good profile that gets you the matches that also tells the algorithm on the on the dating app this guy is getting some engagement so we're going to show him to more attractive women we're going to push him out there so your your level of engagement with people actually impacts how your profile shows up and gets shown? Yes. Is that true for all for like Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge?
Starting point is 00:23:32 Or is that more true for one of them? Well, I don't work with any of those dating apps. I have worked with two dating apps in the past. I've worked with Highly. I've worked with The League. And according to those insiders, they said, Oh yeah, the more engaging a profile is every profile on every dating app, as I understand it has an internal score, an internal score that basically rates it on a scale of one to 10, you know, Gal Gadot, she was single on hinge. Guess what? She's a 10. Everybody,
Starting point is 00:24:01 she's going to get pushed out to the best possible men, according to the app's algorithm. So similarly, we want to keep your profile the highest number possible. We do that with getting matches, having engagement by responding to women, by just being active and engaged. And so that does take some pretty consistent boosting I've found to get maximum results. But it really depends on how many good matches you're getting. Also, I just found that I like messaging women who like me first because I like the validation maybe. I know it's a warm lead because I don't have to work as hard.
Starting point is 00:24:40 So it's not a cold open. So I just like to look at my matches on on any pro on any dating platform and say how many how many matches are you getting and how many matches are some of your clients who are doing well get or how many likes are they getting let's just say on like a day or weekly basis it's all over the map man it could be um i've had weeks i've had days where i've gotten dozens of matches i've had weeks where i've gotten hundreds wow i've had days where I've gotten dozens of matches. I've had weeks where I've gotten hundreds. Wow. I've had days and weeks when it got, it got much, much lower than that.
Starting point is 00:25:11 And it's part of, it's an algorithmic thing. It's like a little bit of a mystery. Um, but it's, I've always had really consistent results. I should, I'm a dating coach. I've also tested the hell out of my profile and got it optimized where it's like, okay, this will always perform and always get me the kinds of matches for the kinds of women. coach. I've also tested the hell out of my profile and got it optimized where it's like, okay, this will always perform and always get me the kinds of matches for the kinds of women I would date if I was single. I have a girlfriend, but I'm doing it as a coach for content and for testing.
Starting point is 00:25:35 But to answer your question, I don't worry that much about how many matches I'm thinking. In your case, I'd be thinking how many matches, how many good leads will it take to get me however many dates per week I have time for? For you, how many is that? I don't know. I'm still trying to find that out. Okay. Because I know how busy you are. So maybe it's one a week or two a month.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Who knows? That'll take me another question to have for later, which is how do you get someone from chatting to the actual date, right? And maybe I should ask this now and then we can go back to my profile. Because that's a big question I have. Do you want to get into that now? Sure. Or should I save that and should we just go over some of the prompts that I have? No, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Let's talk about going from, let's go back to the prompts. So that, because that is part of the story of, Oh, how you get women excited to date you. And then we can talk about how to go from the texting to the date or to the, to each other's phone or to a date. Dude, I meant to say this, like, you know, and we talked about this a little bit, but I just want to thank you again. Like you looked up on my bookshelf, and your book is sitting right there. And I learned so much of this stuff. You and I have just started working together in a more official capacity. But I learned an absolute ton from your book that has helped me so much kind of get a jump on this stuff. And I think too, just it's helped me so much
Starting point is 00:27:09 in terms of the openers I've used, because candidly, I'm not as cool as you. There have not been nearly as many women liking me as you on these apps. So I've had to do a lot of cold opening and it's gone way better than I think it would have if it hadn't been for what I read in your book. And then two, just kind of there's been so much stuff in there that was so applicable for what I was doing.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Like the few times I've gone out just approaching women. So I don't know if I've had an opportunity to really just thank you again for your book. And just kind of I wanted to shout that out real quick because it's literally sitting on my bookshelf and it was absolutely fantastic. That means the world to me. Let this be a shameless plug for anybody who's listening. If you have not bought Connell's book yet, go buy it and it will be, how much, how much does it cost now? Like 20? It's now up to $12,000 per copy, but it's really worth it. It's really good. Yeah. If you buy buy it it really will be worth it actually actually dear listener as you might know anybody who listens to this podcast if you email me at connell at dating transformation.com and just say free book i will email you a free copy of it so it costs you nothing if you're listening yeah i mean seriously like
Starting point is 00:28:22 for anybody who's listening i really mean to just do it because it it has so like so many of the questions that we're going over now like i was able to get some some just some awesome first and second and even third step guidance from there so so really go do it so there's my shame and support for you brother thanks means a lot to me but um it was all a lie book sucks but um well it's it's three years old at this point and i'm like oh my god i've learned and innovated so much in just in three years since it came out so i can't wait for the next one which i'm working on but we'll talk about that on another episode so let's talk about your promise so real quick on hinge this is a side note is it
Starting point is 00:29:02 are you required to have six photos up there? No. Okay. Got it. The more the better, assuming they're good. But six is their maximum. And then one other question I have for you is how important do you think it is to get some video up there? Because I see like little video snippets of some of the women's profiles.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Is that something that would dramatically improve the engagement of profiles? If it's good. If it's a good video. I'm not trying to be... No, no, no. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I have a client, I will not name him, who sent me a three-second video from his garage. He's like, hey, what do you think of this, Connell? He's in a garage. It's dark. He's wearing a sweatshirt and a dark hoodie. I'm just like, dude, you look like Dexter in his kill room.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Why would any woman match with you? She's going to flag you as possibly a criminal. So you want... If you're going to use the video option, make it something that has some emotion, some good emotion, something silly and light. My profile has a little three second clip of me. I'm playing with my friend's dog and the dog is licking my face.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And it's a video I took. And I took a one minute video of this and I actually went on the video and I went, what is the most adorable five seconds from this video? And I found this little spot where the dog is licking my face and I'm, and I'm, I'm making a gross face, but also it's kind of sweet because you know, I love dogs and it's just one of those little interactive moments with a pet. It's pet it's an example of an awe photo or in this case an awe video right so women are like oh look at connell jacket and tie i like it second one second photo is me looking a bit more casual but but nice leather jacket
Starting point is 00:30:58 two different versions of me and the third the third slot on my hinge is a five second video of the dog moment. And I, yeah, I want to, I want to press the button, so to speak of making her just go, oh, he's got a heart. I like dogs too. That's adorable. And so that's in my third slot. So yeah, definitely do a video as long as it's something that it could be you jumping into a pool and swimming doing a can. Oh, I have a client who did a great cannonball video. Nice. It's really fun. Just something that says fun or party or look, I'm on a fucking boat or whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:31:38 It could say fun, high status. Absolutely. That can that can work wonders. But not something that makes me look like a serial killer. No, definitely do not. Probably should move that over. Right, do not. I wrote that part
Starting point is 00:31:54 down. I will not do that. Alright, so five, like ten minutes later. So here are my prompts, right? So the first one, and this is all on Hinge because I've been using Hinge most of the time right now. So I put this up here. So the one thing the first one and this is all on hinge because i've been using hinge most of the time right now um all right so i put this up here so the one thing you should know about me is i have a seven-year-old son who is my number one person in the world and who i spend a ton of time with and i put that up just because i wanted again i wanted to be up front and i just
Starting point is 00:32:18 i was feeling uncomfortable interacting with women who without them knowing because i was like i just don't want this to even come up and be an issue later um second prompt was i'll i'll fall for you if you're kind thoughtful curious and warm but also whip smart love to laugh and have a ridiculously silly side running through your bones that's number two and number three, you know, my ghost story is what if I told you I saw a ghost while visiting my godparents and their kids the summer I was nine years old. I'm not a religious person and I'm not a proponent of the metaphysical, but I can recall every detail of the event, every single one, dot, dot, dot. Nice. And that's, that's already gotten you some traction, right? Yeah. Surprisingly that one already gotten you some traction right yeah that's surprisingly
Starting point is 00:33:05 that one got me a number like yeah it's got me some traction love it yeah it's i'm not surprised because it's very it's a pattern interrupt women aren't used to seeing that they're used to seeing here i am trying out hinge yeah or i'm a big fan of the Office. So is every person on the planet. So you want to break the pattern and show women some different, give them something different. I feel like my second one kind of sucks. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I like the second one. I like the second one because it's talking directly to your type of woman. I really like the phrase. What was it? Ridiculously. Yeah. If you have a ridiculous, silly side running through your bones. I actually liked the phrase. What was it? Ridiculously. Yeah. If you have a ridiculous,
Starting point is 00:33:50 silly side running through your bones. I actually liked that one. I don't know if that one is going to be the one to get you want the woman to like that part of your profile, but that's okay. I like it because it's talking directly to the kind of woman you want to attract. And there's something subtly, like a cool little psych, almost like a psychological lever you're moving there. When you tell women who you're looking for the kind of woman you want, you're subtly letting her know, I have standards. I'm looking for something specific here, as opposed to, please, why won't you match with me will somebody go on a date with me please which can be how a lot of guys feel i used to feel that way too so i actually like that one all right cool i know this i'm not trying to sound i want to how do i say this without sounding like
Starting point is 00:34:38 arrogant or whatever but i do want to project that there are some standards here because i think that is important and i do have some standards um in terms of you know listen how do i phrase this like i am not mr perfect by any means we can have a long list of of of my flaws but you know i think i have a good sense of who i am at this point and i've spent enough time around people just There has to be a certain caliber and quality. And I think it's important that I want to make sure I'm conveying that without coming across as a dick in my profile. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I like that. I'm a big fan. I do this with my clients. I have them come up with a list. What are the five essentials deal breakers things you must have in your future soulmate partner girlfriend wife yeah as long as these and we want things that aren't physical and this is
Starting point is 00:35:32 something you could do on a first date but you can also do it on your profile which is letting women know here's what i'm looking for here's the high standard i have. And when we can convey that, there's something called the buyer-seller dynamic, which is we don't want to come off like we're selling ourselves to women. We want to come off like we are looking to buy, quote unquote, but we're not going to buy the first TV we see in the store. We're going to look around for the right TV with the right HD components and sound and, you know, size and whatnot. So I like the idea of a prompt that says, hey, if you are X and Y and Z, we might get along. Not we should get married and you should meet my parents right away because that conveys over eagerness. I remember one, I had a really good, I'm always
Starting point is 00:36:27 surprised what, not always, but often surprised what can work and resonate. I remember I had a ton of matches once I wrote a prompt. This is on my bio actually, but a lot of women mentioned it. It was, I love to read. I'm big into literature. And I like smart women, smart, literate women. Bonus points if you can spell definitely. One of my pet peeves is people who misspell common words. And I had so many women write me, oh, hey, I can definitely spell definitely. There's something about that. I just said, oh, finally, a guy who's talking to me, a smart, nerdy woman who can spell.
Starting point is 00:37:07 And that just resonated. So I'm not saying you should get rid of that one. I like the idea. Remember, your online dating profile is a piece of marketing. And one of the ways we make marketing effective is talking to your audience. And there's nothing wrong with saying, here's my audience. This is you. So can I ask you a more specific question because you know me right and unfortunately i know very unfortunate um it's been a long six months man i pray for that you just don't show up
Starting point is 00:37:37 whatever it's been every day we have a session. It feels like 16 years. Don't show up, please. Please drop a weight on your face. That'd be awesome. So I think part of this, what was my question? You fucking distracted me. I do that. Yeah. How do I phrase this?
Starting point is 00:38:08 Do you have suggestions on a prompt that i could write that is more specific because i think the women that i i really do want to go out with a woman who is genuinely really smart really well put together confident like self-assured, independent, but also I do want to go out with somebody who is also warm, empathetic, kind. And I want them to understand that that's what they're getting from me as well. This is not the 20-year-old version of me who is a flaming dumbass. This is a 40 year old, mature, wise, experienced person who has really focused on how do I become a better guy? How do I become a better friend? How do I become a better partner to whoever I'm with? How do I show up every single day the right way? And how do I take the serious stuff seriously? But also how do I not sweat the small stuff and just have a fucking awesome time with all of the stuff
Starting point is 00:39:14 that's not serious? And I want to make sure that I'm conveying that to women who are looking at my profile, which is that is what I'm looking for kind of that is what my expectation is um so is there is there some like specific language you would use is there other ways that you would do it like what do you think yeah so i'm going to pretend that you are chat gbt okay gpt hey uh zach hey zach gpt say that all again in 30 seconds or less. What are you looking for? Say three things you're looking for.
Starting point is 00:39:57 I'm looking for a smart, confident, independent woman who is also warm, kind, and just, I guess like ridiculous has a fantastic sense of humor super silly just a goofball bit of a whack job in the right ways that's what here's what you just described i think you also just described yourself didn't you i? I hope so. Hell yeah. So that's a beautiful prompt, basically. I'm looking for smart, intelligent, driven, but also silly and goofy, and you've really evolved as a person, dot, dot, dot, because that's what I am or that's who I am. Nice.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Something like that, something very sincere. It doesn't come across as arrogant or kind of being an asshole no not at all it comes across as having standards and it comes across as saying i'm looking for somebody who is going to be like me which is which is to say we're going to much like no i don't think so look narcissistic or um trying too hard to impress would come off like i'm doing really well financially i'm trying to find somebody who uh you know wants to go on my boat with me down in the caribbean for the holidays you know that would be awful and gross and uh okay and uh super transparent but no way having high standards
Starting point is 00:41:26 because that is actually like also being serious again that's actually good to know because i i did not want to come across as arrogant or narcissistic um again i hope i am not um genuinely or else we have a bigger problem no but. But, okay, so that's not how that comes across. Zach, you have a lot of problems. Arrogance is not one of them. Let me give you an alphabetical list of your problems. A, you're an asshole. B, you're boring.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Yeah, there's nothing arrogant about you. If anything, I want your profile to make sure it has a little bit of edge, a little bit of cheekiness. There's nothing arrogant about you, but you're confident in yourself, which I love about you. I'm the same way. We want some edge. We want a little bit of edge, a little bit of snark, perhaps. And that's a way to show women you believe in yourself.
Starting point is 00:42:19 But describing those things that you're looking for because you are those things. It's just being honest. Okay. It's also letting women say, Oh my God, I see those things too. Um, we're the same. One of the things we want her to feel is, Oh,
Starting point is 00:42:35 well, I feel I'm the same as this guy. I think we feel the same way about things. That's exactly what we want. Yeah. That's cool. Because that is something I want them to feel when they show up, which is like,
Starting point is 00:42:44 Oh, this is, I have this thing, this guy and I have these things in common. This is someone who, like when somebody shows up on my profile, when a woman shows up
Starting point is 00:42:55 on my profile, I want them to think, this guy is my peer and I am his peer. Does that make sense? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Or, or you, and I want, and I want them to think too, that this is a guy who takes care of his business. This is a guy who is serious again about the serious things, but not doesn't take the not serious, just not doesn't take the not serious stuff seriously.
Starting point is 00:43:23 But, but I do want there to be an undercurrent of like this guy has his shit together this guy knows what he's doing and gets after it you know i love it so the only thing i haven't heard yet from what you described unless there's another prompt that conveys this is something that's going to make a woman laugh yeah and maybe we can do that with the maybe we can tweak the i'm a dad prompt go with something that's what i was thinking the dilf joke so the backstory there is i i've had some good success with those little fun little fun little uh twists
Starting point is 00:44:01 where like i had a really good good success with a prompt on hinge that said, uh, I'm just looking for a woman who is DTF down to form a long lasting, loving relationship with great communication. And so I got a lot of LOLs on that and it actually conveys that, but with a little cheekinessiness so i don't know if you want to steal that you'd be like hey i hope you i'm i'm the i'm the dilf you've been looking for dad immune to or whatever dad irresistible love whatever so you could do that and then you could even you could even have a little ps on that prompt and say something like, all jokes aside, I am a dad, proud dad, just putting that out there, something like that. Proud dad.
Starting point is 00:44:53 That's a good way to put it, too. So I'm going to steal your DILF thing. I'm going to figure that out because I like that a lot. But I like proud father, too. I think that conveys, again, who I am as a father. I'm a damn proud father. Nice. So I'll put that out there for sure.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Hell yeah, you should be. Yeah. It's really interesting talking all of this through. And you kind of like, at least for me, I kind of figure out a lot of things as I talk it out. And it's been interesting. I don't think I've had the opportunity to talk this stuff out too much yet. I mean, you and I have just started working in more efficient capacity this way. This is really helpful, man. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. All right. Getting women out on dates
Starting point is 00:45:36 from matching to texting to dates. Yes. I would love to go into that. How long do you recommend going back and forth with women? Is it, is it a number of texts as an amount of time, or is it just kind of getting the feel from the texts, the text exchange? Great question. It depends. Every situation is different, but let's assume you want to get her out on the date as quickly as reasonably possible because you are a busy guy, to your point, familiar. You're not looking to text forever. I actually love bantering and texting back and forth if I have time, but not everybody does, and not everybody's like me. I actually enjoy it too, and this takes me to another question.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Sorry to interrupt you. How do I phrase this? But I'm kind of chatting with about four different women on Hinge right now. And some of them are like, this is just flat. It's like I'm giving you some stuff to see if you're going to take it and if we can have a little fun with this. And it's just like I'm throwing these girls softballs and they're just responding in the most robotic like boring ass way right but how often with that if my feel is I'm like all right this this chick seems bland or not quick on her feet or just uh is it cool to just kind of just move on
Starting point is 00:47:01 you know of course that's cool yeah what i want for you is to have an abundance of great options so that when a woman who might look like your type if she doesn't have the personality that effervescence that fun you can say all right next so that you don't have to feel like you're gonna have to settle for somebody or settle just for well she's really pretty so i guess i'll go on a date with her. I have no problem with you doing that, but I want you to make sure that you eventually, when you settle down with the next one,
Starting point is 00:47:31 she is, or even when you just go on your next date, you're excited to banter and have that fun back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Cause I think for me, like if I'm being honest,
Starting point is 00:47:41 like it doesn't matter how attractive a woman is physically. If I'm not intellectually stimulated and if I'm not having a good time with this person, it's not going to matter. You know what I mean? Okay. It's just like, let me just get the fuck out of here. That's good to know.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Okay. And that's another thing you could put on your profile as a prompt. I would only put one screening prompt on. But here's a good way to think about the prompts. We want one prompt that says what you're looking for, which you have. We want a prompt that makes you smile and laugh, which I think the DILF one will do while also conveying the fact that you have a son. And then we want another prompt that, well, you don't have this one. It's okay. We want, you could do this with the poll prompt, but we want one prompt that paints a picture of what a really fun, enticing date would be with some specificity. That's how
Starting point is 00:48:37 we put bait on the hook. Cause again, we're just marketing to get your kind of woman out on a date with you. So this is- Can you explain that a little bit more? Yeah. Can we go into a little more? So with the poll question, so my poll question, this is the lamest, wackest poll question ever. I should just delete this. I'm so embarrassed to put this on a podcast.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Can I be honest with you? I actually think I put this poll question together while I was taking a podcast. Can I be honest with you? I actually think I put this poll question together while I was taking a dump. And it is, pick the best one, dark chocolate, milk chocolate, or white chocolate. Yeah, I was actually taking a shit when I put this together. Because I remember thinking to myself, I shouldn't be talking about chocolate right now. But that's my poll question. Can you help me, please? This is terrible. All good. So let's talk about that poll, why it's so bad. Say it again, just so everybody hears it. Oh, man. This is going to be on the internet forever. Like literally someone in the year 10,000 would be like, yo, that guy's Zach. His poll questions sucked.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Um, what is your, what's the best one? Dark chocolate, milk chocolate, or white chocolate? All right. I mean, that's not terrible. I think you're being a little tough on yourself. However, it's not really that different, um, than what women are used to seeing. We want to break those patterns so that we're giving them reward. I like to think of every single part of your profile should give her something, which gives
Starting point is 00:50:11 you a little more of what a pattern break is. I know the concept, but can you dive into that a little bit? Just something that women aren't used to seeing. So breaking the pattern, but in a positive way. So women are used to, here's a pattern break. Women are used to a prompt that says, oh, I work out really hard. I'm training for a marathon. My prompt says, oh yeah, I'm training for a marathon, a Netflix marathon. So I'm breaking the pattern. I'm making her think I'm doing one thing, but then here's the joke. Or here's the pattern interrupt for a pull prompt. My favorite kind of pull prompt to do, I'll just read you what I have right now in mind. Choose our first date. Option A, see a comedy show. Option B, find the best hot chocolate in NYC.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Option C, meet my parents. What, too soon? It's kind of a cheesy little joke i'm not saying it's comedy gold but it's a funny little third you know there's there's something in comedy called the rule of threes you'll see uh two normal things in a list in a comedic list and then the third thing is the the switcheroo the surprising one and that's what gets the laugh. Once you start noticing this, it'll drive you crazy watching TV. Go ahead. Would it be too dark if for the parents part, I put in parentheses, but my parents are dead? Or is that?
Starting point is 00:51:33 That's a little dark. It's a little dark. My parents are not dead. I know. I hope. I hope. I'm glad to hear that. Okay, I won't do it.
Starting point is 00:51:42 One of my best performing pole prompts, I can't do it anymore because it's not really trending but last year or so roughly a year ago kanye west was just acting out doing all this stuff in the media he was meeting with like white supremacists and doing all this nazi stuff and uh so i for for my pole prompt it was choose our first date, go to a comedy show, you know, go out for cheesecake, Taser Kanye. And so many women laughed at that. That gives them something, right? Gives you a laugh, gives you a smile.
Starting point is 00:52:17 But the nice thing about the poll prompt is you can get matches with that third one, the funny one, but also the first two. If they're good, you also get matches on the first two because some women just do want to go to a comedy show or want to have a dessert only date or the best cheesecake in New York City. So anyway, I would. So let's let's let's rewrite your prompt. Yes, let's. What? How about we come up with two genuine but specific first dates that you would potentially do, or at least that would be enticing? What might those be besides, you know, grabbing drinks? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Well, comedy show for sure. Okay. Music. I'll just put the main ones that come to mind are comedy show, music, like a walk in the park. Okay. Anything dessert related. You know I don't drink a lot, so I'm not a huge fan of going out for drinks, but I would do it. Anything like chocolate related, I'm 100% in.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Okay. I think those are probably more than normal ones. Okay. Got it. Great. Let's go with, ooh, chocolate's good. What's a chocolate dip? Like a chocolate-based activity.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Hot chocolate. Well, here we are. It's holidays. Maybe like hot chocolate? Yeah. So I figured it's going to be a Friday night. Go find the best
Starting point is 00:53:38 hot chocolate in town or the best milk chocolate in town. That's great. Let me eat. So that can be one of them. chocolate in town or the best milk chocolate in town or that's great so that can be one of them for our first date choose our first date a or the first option okay hold on i see it i'm literally just putting this in right now okay option get chocolate, get hot cocoa, something like that. So that could be the first one.
Starting point is 00:54:13 Okay, gotcha. And what's a second enticing date idea that's very legit, very real, but not just drinks? So part of my question for you here is like is it and it's kind of kind of segues to a different question as well but like for a good first date option do you want to do something like going to a comedy club or going to see some music because in that sense you're not really interacting with the person as much as you are focused on something else right well this is not really about deciding what the two of you are going to do. This is about getting her to hit heart and to like you.
Starting point is 00:54:47 So I agree with that. We don't necessarily want to go to a movie or go to a comedy show. But we could get into that. It's a separate topic. We just want to find two fun, different things that might make a woman go, oh, that sounds cool.
Starting point is 00:55:00 That's different. See an improv show? Go to the theater? Anything theater anything doesn't have to be yeah so that could be number two yeah yeah and then for the third one what is here's where your sense of humor can come out because you know you know my whole thing is authenticity let's get your absurd third one what any? What would be the most extreme, absurd, uh, first date idea that would just be a complete and total curve ball. Number one,
Starting point is 00:55:29 go get hot chocolate. Number two, go see a comedy show or go to theater. Yeah. We'll say for number two, we'll say, go take a walk in the park. Cause I don't be different from what I would say for number three.
Starting point is 00:55:39 Um, okay. For number three would be, uh, go mosh pit at some Christian death metal. I love that. Okay. For number three would be go mosh pit at some Christian death metal. I love that. Okay. That's so out there.
Starting point is 00:55:51 I never would have come up with that. That's you. That's great. Mosh pit. Is there, is there, is there mosh pitting in a, in Christian death?
Starting point is 00:56:01 Is there a Christian death metal? Is that a thing? Yeah. Chris, I, I think I'm one of the few people who has kind of gone on a Christian metal deep dive. Christian death metal is a real thing. It is insane.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And it is a lot bigger and more popular than I think anybody realizes. I love it. All right. Note to self. Go try Christian death metal mosh pitting soon i like that that's a pattern interrupt women are not used to seeing a christian death metal mosh pit maybe maybe put a little um you know rock on emoji like the finger like rock on
Starting point is 00:56:43 or i don't know what emoji would go with the uh yeah rock there's the rock on one it's the double fingers so that's a good little uh template to follow two totally normal understandable enticing dates and the third one is just so absurd i think when i another one i had good luck with is instead of drinks, let's get tacos, get sushi, get matching tramp stamps, the little butterfly emoji. Another one I did was, this one had some interesting answers. For our first date, let's try yoga, try dance, try dance class, try ketamine. And I thought that was absurd and crazy. A couple women thought I was serious.
Starting point is 00:57:39 And they're like, yeah, I'm down for ketamine. I was about to say, that is not nearly out there enough for New York. I'm not surprised you got a bunch of takers. So you can play around with what works. But essentially, what we're doing here is... This is so much better already. I appreciate you. This is good.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Cool. This is much better. Okay, cool. All right. We got five minutes left. Let's go over a little bit because I aim to over-serve. Is there anything else that I can help you with? I think one of the big ones that's been on my mind is dating without drinking too much alcohol. I'm not a big drinker. I have, I have like the tolerance of a 90 year old woman. Um, and I don't, you know, I'm up really early all the time. Um, do you have any easy tips without deep diving on this?
Starting point is 00:58:45 Because I know we're going to be out of time soon for how to date. I'm totally down to have a drink, maybe two, but this is not something I want to make a regular part of my life. You know? Right. What's your question? How do I do this? Just stick with ketamine.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Okay, cool. Just Special K special k baby special k all day all it takes i have a surprising number of people i can hit up for some ketamine well so what's the problem you're thinking about you're gonna face is just drinking when you when you don't want to or is the problem you're thinking about like oh what if what if i tell her i don't want to drink am i gonna lose dates what are we talking about here well there might be a little bit of both right so yeah i am concerned that if i'm if i'm going out there's going to be pressure to drink if i don't want to um and so i guess like let's say i'm in a situation where i really don't want to drink like if i have to be up early the next day, should I just be straight up and just be like,
Starting point is 00:59:47 like I got to get up, like I'm just going to have a seltzer or is that going to, is that going to be lame? Is that going to, how is that going to impact the vibe? I would let her know in advance. It's possible that some, some women,
Starting point is 00:59:58 I think a minority, but some women might feel a little bit uncomfortable if they're the one drinking and you're not drinking at all. Yeah. So if you want to totally not drink at all on a date, but you're putting together a first date at a bar, then just give her a heads up and you can do it this way. You can say, hey, just so you know, looking forward to having drinks with you tonight. Just so you know, I'm not drinking alcohol today, but don't worry worry i'll catch a buzz off you are you cool with that you would say you would basically say is that cool with you so you're
Starting point is 01:00:30 giving her a really helpful heads up if she's not looking to have drinks and some women don't care some women do then she might say oh well let's do something different where now you've gotten it out of the way and if she's cool with with that, then go out and have your, you can be like me. I'm sober approaching 700 days now. That's awesome. I forgot that it had been that long. That's amazing.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Thank you. But if I was going on dates, I would basically say, no sweat though, I'll have a ginger beer. The ginger man will have a ginger beer. I'll catch a buzz'll have a ginger beer. The ginger man will have a ginger beer. Um, I'll catch a buzz off you. I hope little, little flirty comment there to make her feel good.
Starting point is 01:01:12 And so that's one option. The other option is I wouldn't want to wait until we got to the bar and then tell her I'm not drinking. Cause that might make her uncomfortable. I don't want to do that. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:25 All right, cool. That's, that's really helpful. All right. I think that might make her uncomfortable. I don't want to do that. Yeah, totally. Yeah. All right, cool. That's really helpful. All right. I think that was it, man. Can I just say one more thing that I think it's important for me to tell a guy like you who is back in the dating game or about to be back in the dating game? Yeah. After more than 10 years of marriage, right?
Starting point is 01:01:41 Or 10 years of, yeah, marriage? I will be 40, uh, December 18th. So that's like two weeks, two or three weeks from now. I, the last date I went on who wasn't my ex, I was 24 or 23. So if my math serves me correctly, that's 16 or 17 years. Damn. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. so if my math serves me correctly that's 16 or 17 years damn yeah damn yeah i don't even know if i can spell date at this point anyway well i want to let you know that what i love about you one of the many things i love about you is you're a nice guy and I mean that without any pejorative vibes. It's not like you're a nice guy,
Starting point is 01:02:28 but one of my biggest pet peeves is men who think, oh, well, I don't want to be some nice guy because women don't like nice guys. That is absolute bullshit. Women love a nice guy. Women love kind men. They love kind men. I'm the nicest guy in the world i think one of them uh i literally help little old ladies cross the street whether they want to or not i just force myself on them no um but no i i i hope i i my girlfriend and i just volunteered with with people at thank on thanksgiving i'm not saying that to brag at all That's the one day of the year I'm not a narcissistic jerk. But I'm a nice guy from Ohio. But the reason I got so good with women and dating
Starting point is 01:03:12 is because I was able to combine that niceness, kindness with some edge, some humor, a little swagger. But also I'm just a big sweetheart. So I want you to know, not that you're worried about this, but I want you to know as you get back into the dating game for the first time in double-digit years is you can be a nice guy. You are a nice guy. Don't be afraid to let that side come out.
Starting point is 01:03:35 But also, fuck with the girl. Bust her balls a little bit. Fuck with her. This is what you've been doing with me on this podcast. Be playful. this is what you've been doing with me on this on this uh be playful let that let that real self come out because uh women want um women want a nice guy one of the most beautiful women i ever met i didn't date her but we had a really deep long conversation one night she's a former model like she was on the cover of maxim and she said and i love... Still single? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:04:06 She said, and I quote, we love nice guys. Women love nice guys. As long as he has a backbone. Yeah. As long as he's got a little bit of edge and a backbone. But we hate narcissistic jerks. We hate them. And so she's trying to say, basically, don't be some weird red pill, toxic weirdo.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Be nice. Just make sure you have that confidence, that core confidence, which I know you do. But take it from Mr. Nice Guy. Well, thank you. And, you know, again, I think that goes without saying, I've happened to know you. You are genuinely a good dude. Like, genuinely. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:04:43 I think it's one of the reasons reason why i trust you one of the reasons why we're friends um um but you know the point you're making too it has been on my mind which is there does kind of seem to be i don't know almost like this resurgence of more like old school bro-ism and there was a part part of me that was like, I wonder, I genuinely don't have a feel for what women think about that right now. Like my instincts tell me that that stuff has always been a turnoff and it's always been bullshit and it's always been just as,
Starting point is 01:05:20 it's been as repulsive to them as it is to me and to many people I know who are just straight up. But again, I haven't been in the dating world and I've gone out three or four times over the last like three or four months and ended up at a couple of places where I was like, hmm, this is interesting. This does not seem to be my scene, but there are certain pretty attractive women here who seem to be attracted to that vibe. Maybe I was misreading it. So I guess it's good to hear that that is not the case or not the case with enough women that it will be fine.
Starting point is 01:05:55 I don't have to go out there and do any of that shit. Well, you're a personal trainer, obviously. You know the power of having muscle and being really strong. And I like to think of the ideal combination of what women are drawn to is a man who has that nice balance of muscle and heart. He's strong. He knows who he is. He wants to have a great date with her. He wants to approach her. He wants to make a move because, hey, dating is a dance and our job as men is to lead that dance. So we can show that muscle, so-called muscle, by being leaders, by being really raw and real and genuine. However, we can also show heart by being kind, by being a gentleman,
Starting point is 01:06:38 by being a sweetheart. And women love that kind of combination of muscle and heart. There's an anecdote in my book you might remember. I was sitting on a park bench with a woman on our second or third date many, many, many years ago. And we were drinking smoothies. And we were talking about dating and we were talking about each other. and she said, I don't know, what do you think? Should I date you or should I run away? You know, she was like a fun little teasing comment. And I said, I was trying to be clever. You know the phrase, a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Starting point is 01:07:19 Yeah. I just switched it. I said, you don't have to worry about me. I'm a sheep in wolf's clothing. I act tough on the outside, but inside I'm really clever. I was just trying to be clever. I didn't even have any deeper truth to that. And she just kind of swooned.
Starting point is 01:07:35 And she said, oh, my God, that's what we want. You don't know how much I'm glad you said that. I was just trying to be witty. I can remember that from your book. Can I steal that line from you? Yeah. I know it was honest, but it was a really good line.
Starting point is 01:07:54 That's not bad, actually. I'm going to test that out. I've never put that on a profile. I'll see how that does on Hinge. You can definitely put that on a profile. The idea is, I'll approach a woman. I'll have some swagger. I'll have some edge. I'll be like, hey, what's up? You look like that on profile. But the idea is, you know, I'll approach a woman. I'll have some swagger. I'll have some edge. I'll be like, hey, what's up?
Starting point is 01:08:07 You look like you're trouble. A little cheeky, a little smile, a little swagger. I had my ginger beer going. I'm feeling good. Yeah. But that's kind of a wolf exterior. Inside, I'm a cuddly softie. And I'm also going to let that come through
Starting point is 01:08:25 i'm not going to lead with that probably yeah yeah but yeah i'll let her see that as we get to know each other so i thought that was a pretty telling moment and uh that was great feedback from her all right that's cool that's cool do you have any other like quick advice for a guy who's about to go on his first date in 17 years? Absolutely. What you got? As soon as you and she walk in that venue and start talking, I want you to say to yourself, this is a victory for me.
Starting point is 01:09:00 This is a win because I'm back in the game, baby. So think of that first date back as batting practice. You're in wherever, St. Petersburg, Florida, spring training, and it's just practice. Now, it hasn't been 17 years for me, but I remember my first date in real life post pandemic, it was about 14 months of, of, of choosing to be isolated because I was writing the book and chose to be completely alone to not get COVID.
Starting point is 01:09:35 And my first date back, I was, um, I was like, Oh my God, have I lost my touch? Do I know how to flirt anymore? And Mr. Dating coach with a book coming out, I was really in my head and nervous about it. And I just said, whoa, whoa, settle down. It's your first date back after a year. You're not going to be in the zone. And I was actually way better than I thought I was going to be. She didn't look like her photos. So it wasn't that attractive. That's actually really awesome advice advice i really appreciate that because i think i don't even think i've thought about it too much but it's also really good to know it's like it's gonna get your reps in zach you gotta get out there and you will get better if you just
Starting point is 01:10:17 stick with it and just keep going you know yeah two, three dates, like put absolutely no pressure on yourself to get any kind of outcome. Let it, let it come to you. Let it, let it arise and remind yourself, Hey, it's been 17 years, but remember you're not, you're just, you're just going on a date. You're just talking to a woman and you're getting to know her. You're not, you're not hitting a flop shot at Augusta National. You're not skiing. It's not like you need amazing technique. You're a great talker. You're funny.
Starting point is 01:10:52 You're successful. You're hardworking. You're all these great things that make you Zach, the great, you know, I don't know. We need to come up with that higher self name for you. But, you know, Zach, Zach to the future, moving toward an amazing dating life. But anyway,
Starting point is 01:11:12 yeah, I would say first three dates, spring training, no pressure. I'm not saying something great won't happen, but I'm saying absolutely no pressure at all. Yeah. All right. That's awesome.
Starting point is 01:11:23 That's really helpful. Thank you. You got it, man. All right. Well's awesome. That's really helpful. Thank you. You got it, man. All right. Well, let's, we can wrap it up here and I'll see you at the gym on Thursday. All right. Thanks coach. All right. All right. Hey, by the way, you listening at home, if you like Zach are looking for some coaching, you can do a free consultation with yours. Truly. All you got to do is go to datingtransformation.com, click the book a call button, and you and I can get on the phone to talk about whether or not dating coaching might be right for you. Anyway, again, that's datingtransformation.com. Thank you
Starting point is 01:11:57 so much for listening. And don't forget, your dream girlfriend, she's out there, and she's already into you, or she will be, but she's going to have to meet the real authentic you. She's out there and she's already into you or she will be, but she's going to have to meet the real authentic you. So go out there, take authentic, courageous action. Carpe datum. Seize the date. See you next time.

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