How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett - Say This, Get the Date (No Flaking!) How To Never Run Out of Things to Say (Part 3 of 4)
Episode Date: February 14, 2025You’re talking to a woman you like—now what? How do you avoid running out of things to say and awkward silences? And how do you ask her out? In Part 3 of this special dating IRL series, dating coa...ch Connell Barrett gives you a simple, 3-step roadmap to keep the conversation flowing, spark attraction, and smoothly get her number. Plus, discover the 7 biggest conversation fails that kill attraction (and how to fix them). And you’ll learn the right way to meet women at the gym, without being “that guy.”You’re About to Learn:2:47: The 3-Step Roadmap to Keep Conversations Flowing and Get the Date5:37: What to Talk About First After You Approach8:15: The Magic Word that Makes You More Interesting to Her12:30: The Exact Way to Ask Her Out21:51: How to Get Her Phone Number27:07: The BIG Mistake that Will Get You Ghosted28:45: The 7 Conversation Fails that Kill Attraction and How to Avoid Them47:10: Why Women Ghost You—and the Simple Move to Fix It56:54: How to Meet and Charm Women at Your GymListen now to have flirty conversations with women you meet IRL—so you can get dates!FOR A FREE STRATEGY CALL WITH CONNELL TO LEARN HOW TO HAVE GREAT FIRST DATES:http://www.datingtransformation.com/contactTO GET FREE ACCESS TO “THE FLIRTY 30,” CHARMING QUESTIONS TO ASK WOMEN ON DATES, ON THE APPS, AND WHEN YOU APPROACH:http://www.datingtransformation.com/FLIRTY30WANT A FREE COPY OF CONNELL’S NO. 1 AMAZON BESTSELLING BOOK, “DATING SUCKS BUT YOU DON’T”? EMAIL CONNELL AND WRITE “FREE BOOK” IN THE SUBJECT LINE AND YOU’LL GET IT INSTANTLY:Connell@datingtransformation.com
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and knowing that you are more than enough for a woman.
What you say is enough for a woman
because it's coming from you, a really great guy.
You don't need great game because you're a great guy.
Ooh, I just made that up, that was pretty good.
["How to Get a Girlfriend"]
Welcome back to the How to Get a Girlfriend podcast. I am dating coach and bestselling author, Conno Barrett.
I'm here to help you confidently meet and attract wonderful women in real life and do
it without weird tricks or cringy pickup moves.
Okay, so you've got her attention.
You just broke the ice with this wonderful woman.
Now what? She's smiling. You said hi. Now you're in a conversation, but suddenly
your mind goes blank. What do you say next? How do you not run out of things to
say? How do you keep her interested? What if the conversation dies? Most guys
struggle with this. They either freeze up or they ask boring questions or they ramble or they have a really long awkward pause and then she just
Slinks away and the result is no numbers. No dates. No chemistry. No, no success, but not you
Not after today's podcast episode because this is part three of my four part special
series here for Valentine's Day week on how to meet women in real life. And if you missed last,
the last episode, please go back and check it out. I taught my natural approaching method. So you
know exactly how to break the ice with women anywhere in a way that works so so well. But let's be
real, just breaking the ice, just approaching isn't enough. You have to keep
the conversation flowing, you've got to create some kind of connection, you've
got to ask for her number, set up the date, and if you don't do these things the
right way, then all this time and effort you put into talking to the woman, it
she'll lose interest or it will
fall flat.
So today I'm going to give you a kind of a three-step plan that you can follow.
Let's call this a three-step roadmap.
A three-step roadmap to make your conversations feel natural, authentic, flirty, much more
effortless so that you can turn that approach into a phone number, into a date, and eventually
into getting a great girlfriend.
Also, I'm gonna break down the seven biggest mistakes guys make when talking to women,
post-approach, and I'll teach you how to fix those mistakes.
And by the way, please stick around until the very end of the way Please stick around into the very end of the episode today because the very end of the episode
I'm gonna talk about one of the most common
Dating questions and problems I hear about from guys which is how do you talk to women at the gym?
How do I talk to her at the gym without being that creepy pickup guy who's bothering her mid-squat?
Okay, so I'm gonna give you that tip at the very end
So that'll give you a reason to stick around to the very end. Okay. Here are here's your three-step roadmap to flirty authentic conversation
Okay, so you walk up to that woman you use the natural approaching method from last episode and
You've opened in a strong positive way,
you've got her attention,
and now you're thinking, now what?
Well, the now what is you follow these three simple steps.
Step one is you explore the topic that you used for your approach opener.
Step two is you simply exchange names, introduce yourself, get her name, give yours.
And step three is you discuss a second topic.
And that's really all you have to do.
And then all you're going to do is take out your phone and get her number, and then you're
going to send her a dick pic.
And send her a nice dick pic.
You know send her something classy like you know Robert Mapplethorpe might have taken
or Annie Leibovitz.
Send her a nice dick pic.
Don't send her a dark.
Okay, no dick pics.
I'm kidding.
That's a joke obviously.
Everybody knows you don't want to send a dick pic
till after the first date.
Come on.
No, but all jokes aside, basically what you're gonna do
is you're gonna, and I'll break all this down in a second.
Step one, you explore the topic
that you used to approach her.
Step two, then you exchange names
once that conversation topic runs its course.
And step three is you switch to a second topic.
And then after you talk about the second topic,
you simply take your phone out
and you grab her number using the technique
that I'll show you here in a few minutes.
And so that's it, right?
Those are the three steps.
That's the three-step roadmap to a flirty conversation
to get phone numbers, to get dates from approaching.
It's pretty simple, right?
You don't have to memorize anything. You don't have to use weird fake negs, cheesy lines. You don't have to script
anything. In fact, it's going to work best if you're spontaneous, if you're in the moment,
if you're present, as opposed to using some kind of memorized lines or using some kind of fake
alpha male persona. Do not do what so many male so-called experts teach you,
these clowns, these guys on TikTok and Instagram,
and there's some real assholes,
not assholes, but real dumbasses on YouTube.
Contrary to what these pick-up dudes say,
women don't wanna be gamed.
They don't wanna feel picked up.
They wanna feel like a charming guy
just came up and chatted with her,
and they had a genuine spark, and then he asked her out, you asked her out.
And that's what they want, so give them what they want.
Okay, let me break down the three steps, the three-step roadmap,
to a flirty conversation so you can get phone numbers and dates.
Step one, explore the opening topic.
So keep the conversation flowing by expanding on whatever you used for that opening
icebreaker. If you complimented her tattoo, talk about her tattoo. Ask for
the story behind it. How she chose that pattern. If you commented on her dog, what
a cute pooch she had. then talk about her pooch.
Ask a little bit about what her dog is like.
What's the silliest, goofiest thing her dog does
when that makes her laugh?
So here's an example from my dating past.
I once approached a woman at Barnes & Noble.
I've spent a lot of times at bookstores,
just because I'm a big reader,
that's definitely my kind of area to meet women.
And I approached a big reader, that's definitely my kind of area to meet women. And I approached her by saying, oh hey, it's nice to see that pretty girls still read books.
So I complimented her in a very flirty way, saying basically she's pretty, but also saying
I thought I was impressed that she reads books.
And she really lit up.
And then when I asked her what her favorite book is she said to kill a mockingbird and
Then we started talking about books. I said my favorite book is Moby Dick
We're talking about books and the conversation kept rolling for a couple minutes actually more than a couple minutes
we talked for four or five minutes just about books and
So you want to be leading that conversation with step one explore that opening that opening topic. Women love a man who leads.
And leading, you lead in the sense that you're approaching,
you're taking that lead,
and you also wanna lead the conversation
to a good positive area.
So I like to think of that opening topic,
remember it's gonna be a compliment,
a question or an observation, right?
Going back to the last episode.
So think of that opening topic that you used for your opener.
Think of it as a thread of conversation.
Just follow that thread.
Pull the thread for as long as it wants to be pulled.
And the thread's going to run out.
It could run out for 30 seconds.
In 30 seconds.
It could go for 5-10 minutes. It depends on
multiple factors. But basically, let that thread go for as long as it's going to go. I would
estimate typically it's going to be somewhere between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. How long can
you talk about her tattoo? How long can you talk about her boots or whatever you use to break the ice? Let's
say it's going to be 30 seconds to two minutes. So it could be as short as 30 seconds. So
that's step one. Let that conversation thread run its course. Now step two is you introduce
yourself. You exchange names, simple as this sounds. You simply say, oh hey, by the way,
I'm Connell. What's your name? Just don't say Connell, because that's my name, not yours.
Stop stealing my name, man.
So you say, hey by the way, I'm Ryan,
whatever your name is, and then you say, what's your name?
And you shake hands or give her a fist pump
and say, pleasure to meet you.
I like that, I love a nice smile, eye contact.
Oh, pleasure to meet you.
Very classy, very gentlemanly.
And when you exchange names, that really shifts things
in a subtle but powerful way,
because all of a sudden you've gone from two strangers
talking about that book or that drink she has at the bar
or the kind of coffee she's drinking,
and you're no longer two strangers.
You're now two people who are getting to know each other.
You're moving towards something more personal. Here's a pro tip, by the way. A woman's
first name is her favorite word in the English language. You know, if she has a
unique name... So the reason why we exchange names is not just to become
two people moving towards something personal, it also gives you a great
topic because her first name is her favorite word.
So if it's a unique name, you could ask about it.
You could say, no way, Leila?
I've never met a Leila before.
Is your dad Eric Clapton?
What's the story behind your name?
My favorite, by the way, everybody's favorite word is their first name pretty much right my favorite word is Connell
My second favorite word is
Gabagool from the Sopranos, you know
Because hey both my name and Gabagool are delicious and funny
So there's something powerful about getting a girl's name
I was talking to a woman once we were a a couple minutes into the conversation, and I said,
oh, hey, by the way, I'm Connell.
She said, oh, I'm Faith.
And I said, no way, Faith.
I've never met a Faith before.
What's the story behind your name?
That's a great question to ask.
What's the story behind your name?
And she giggled and laughed and she said, well, my parents were big George Michael fans.
So they named me after George Michael,
famous song, Faith.
And that led me to a pretty good joke.
I said, no way, your parents named you Faith.
Well, I guess you could have been named I Want Your Sex.
That would have been even worse
or even more intense than Faith.
And she laughed. Bottom line is though she got to open up about her family and how her name, how she got her name.
I got to open up about my name. I said, oh, my name is Connell. I'm the youngest of six.
And I told her a true story, authentic, honest, real, always.
I said, oh yeah, my parents named me. They were in a bar and they threw a dart at a random map of Ireland
because they didn't know what to name me.
So I was named with a drunken throw of a dart.
So anyway, in two minutes,
Faith and I are going from two strangers at a coffee shop
to opening up about the story of our origin story.
That's kind of vulnerable and powerful.
And anyway, so that's step two, is you exchange
names because it allows you to not only get to know her name and get to feel like this
is more of a personal conversation, it also allows you to switch to a second topic. Because
essentially a lot of guys run out of things to say when that first topic expires, right?
You're not going to run out of things to say anymore because once the opening topic, that
conversation thread ends, then you're going to switch to introduce yourself, get her name,
share yours.
You could talk about each other's names if you want to.
That'll buy you more time.
And then even if you don't talk about each other's names, you just get each other's names, then you do step three. And step three is
you just discuss a second topic. Explore a second topic. And that's all you need.
That second topic. And oh sorry, let me back up. So that second topic is
going to be something different than the first one. Because that second topic is going to be something different than the first one.
Because that first topic is going to fade.
Then you transition into names.
And then you come up with a second topic, a second thing to talk about.
Now what that thing is, well, it may happen organically.
There may be something happening in the environment that's just so organic that it just happens.
And if that happens, just go with it it Let the momentum of your conversation carry it
But if not if something organic doesn't arise go with one of these three options
Here's how you choose a second topic a B and C option a talk about something in the environment
the book she's looking at at the bookstore or the
Sleeping old man who's asleep at the coffee shop or
whatever is in the environment. Option B is switch to a topic that somehow
relates to her. What is she wearing? What is she doing? Maybe she's on her
laptop at the coffee shop. You might switch to that topic. Or if you're at a
I don't know volleyball game. You meet a woman who plays in your weekly volleyball league.
You might ask her, switch the topic to how long
she's been into volleyball and how her volleyball league
is going, can be that simple.
And then option C for three options
is talk about something that is why you're both there.
Like what are you actually doing?
Why are you both there doing whatever you're doing?
So if you are just out and about, you know,
I approached a girl once in Miami,
I'm just walking around on vacation in Miami.
And I was just jean shopping.
I was just jean shopping.
And doing a little bit of window shopping and jean shopping.
And I saw her, I gave her a compliment, I noticed her cool style, she had some cool
chunky shoes on. I said, hey, those are awesome shoes, you have great style. She
said, thank you. We talked about her style for about a minute and then I said, hey,
oh by the way, my name is Connell. She said, oh, I'm Melissa. So I learned her
name Melissa. And then we didn't talk that much about her name. We just switched to step three
Discuss a second topic and I said, oh, yeah, so I just came out because I'm gene shopping right now
What brought you out today?
What are you what are you out shopping for and then she told me whatever she was shopping for it's been a while
I forget what it was but it's something very basic. And so again, step
three is discuss a second topic, and if you're not sure what topic to go with,
ask yourself, okay, what's in the environment? What's something about her
that makes sense to talk about? Or what is that we are both doing right
now? And talk about what you're both doing right now, or why you're out wherever you are.
Does that make sense?
I know I'm not giving you scripted planned content,
but that's not gonna help you.
It might feel a little bit nerve wracking
to not know what you're gonna talk about,
but trust me on this, when you're present and spontaneous,
the best things are gonna come out in the moment
Because you're not gonna be trying to memorize anything and you're you don't practice what you're gonna say with anybody else in your life I assume right you just go through your life
Hanging with your friends going to your job. You don't plan anything. So you don't want to plan anything with women either
It's why that's why I'm going into detail with points here in the steps.
So step three is discuss a second topic and choose A, something in the environment, B, something about her, C,
something about what we're both doing and why we're doing it.
And this way
you get to keep the conversation going.
So yeah, for example, another example, I was at a coffee shop once and for step three,
choosing the topic, we met each other, we exchanged names, we started chatting, and
then I just kind of looked around the environment and people were slipping on this leaky floor
in this coffee shop because it was a rainy day.
And we just talked about that.
We joked about how, oh man, they really should fix the leaky floor.
That was the second topic.
Okay?
That's all we talked about.
I was at a bar one night, met a girl, and first topic, I approached her.
I said, hey, what's up?
How's your night going?
Very, very friendly.
Got her name, and then I switched to the second topic and I
switched to something about her was the nose ring she was wearing struck me.
And I asked her about the nose ring. I asked her how she chose a nose ring. I was
interested in her retro style. And one more example, I was at the gym once and I
met a woman there. Again, I approached her using the natural approaching method from the last episode. I observed something about her
yoga outfit or something like that. We exchanged names and then I switched to
the second topic and I simply said, hey what brings you here today? She said, oh
yoga class and I shared what brought me there today which was I was hitting the, I was into boxing at the time and I was taking a
boxing class. So we talked about her yoga and my boxing. That's all it was. So
three simple steps, right? Step one, you, I'm talking about after you've
approached, right? Step one, explore the opening topic. Step two, exchange names.
Step three, discuss a second topic.
Leaning toward A, something in the environment. B, something about her. C,
something about why you're both there or what you're doing.
Yeah, this is the best way to do it because women love spontaneous men.
This allows you to just be right in that present moment with her.
Now what you might be thinking, this doesn't sound like you're having me say anything super, super amazing.
Exactly. I don't want you to have some kind of high bar for how good you think your conversation
is because a big reason you might be freezing up or ever running out of things to say, it's
not because you lack conversational ability. It's the anxiety reason you might be freezing up or ever running out of things to say. It's not because you lack conversational ability.
It's the anxiety that you feel for having to do good game or say the perfect thing or
say amazing things.
You actually don't.
The bar is so much lower for conversation than you think.
And it's because we're going to lower the bar for how good your conversation has to
be.
But actually, that bar with a lower bar, you become more confident because you feel more
comfortable.
There's no pressure.
And you can essentially just make basic chitchat about each other.
And that's actually really attractive to women.
You're just being yourself and you're making light casual conversation.
If anything, if you had this amazing, witty, awesome, charismatic conversational content,
if anything that can come off as try hard, as not relatable. And here's why, and here's what we're moving for.
We've got this three-step roadmap,
taught, you know, where it's two topics.
What we're trying to do is you wanna get
to the two-minute mark of your approach conversation
with her.
The two-minute mark is almost magical.
What is the two-minute mark?
It takes a minimum of two minutes for
you to get comfortable and confident in that environment. Talking to her, it's going to
take at least two minutes to get you, or at least more comfortable. In about two minutes,
you'll become a lot more socially comfortable with her. Also, it's going to take her a couple
of minutes to get comfortable with you because she doesn't
know you at all.
You're just this new person who has entered her life.
And it's going to take her a couple minutes to get comfortable.
And then maybe most importantly, it takes about two minutes minimum for a woman who
has never met you before to be open and seriously consider going on a date with you.
Two minutes.
You always want to hit the two minute mark if you can.
I mean you always want to try.
You're not going to do it every time but you certainly want to try.
Here's a rule.
I rarely say never or always but I'll say it this time.
Never ever ever ask a woman out or ask for her number
if you haven't hit the two minute mark of conversation.
It's just going to flake.
It's not going to go anywhere.
It just takes a couple minutes for basic human rapport to kick in so she can feel, get a
sense for who you are.
And plus she needs to get a sense for, hey, does this guy have something to bring to my
table? Is he my type?
How do I feel with him?
And it takes a couple of minutes, minimum.
So always try to hit the two-minute mark of a conversation if she's a woman you're somewhat
interested in, somewhat attracted to.
Okay, so just a little recap here.
Here's a three-step roadmap.
Step one, explore the opening topic. Pull that
conversation thread for as long as it might go. Within reason, a couple minutes
is fine. Step two, exchange names and potentially talk about each other's
names if you want to. And step three is discuss a second topic. Okay? This should
get you to smash right through the two-minute mark. The two-minute mark is
our goal here because that's how long it takes. Alright now after you reach the two-minute mark at any point you are
absolutely more than within your rights to ask her for a date or ask her out. You
could you could you don't have to do it at two minutes but two minutes is
essentially when it's green light to get her number. Here's how to get her number
the right way. Okay, you opened, you've chatted for two plus minutes, you're
having a good conversation, you've passed the two-minute mark, and because you've
passed the two-minute mark you should now be a lot more comfortable. It's so
and that's another benefit of the two-minute mark by the way is the more
comfortable you get the easier it is to keep the conversation going because
you're just feeling like you're your authentic best self and more
more confident socially. Okay here's some tips on how to get her number okay.
Here's the mechanics of it. After the two-minute mark you could simply take
your phone out of your pocket and you could say
Give her a genuine compliment or something about her that you enjoyed
This is a great way to do it. Actually this now that I'm thinking about this is really smooth
You could take your phone out and say hey, you know what it's been nice talking to you because X
Tell her why you've enjoyed talking to her. Because she's intelligent,
or because she likes books like you do,
or because she just has a good energy.
You seem to like her as a person.
And then you could say,
hey, it's been great talking to you,
because X, Y, Z compliment.
And then you take your phone out and say, what's your number?
I don't, don't say, can I get your number?
I mean, it's not the end of the world if you do it,
I'm not gonna be mad at you.
But I like to say, hey, this was fun.
It's been really nice talking to you.
You're actually really intelligent and fun to talk to.
Phone out, what's your number?
I like that because there's sort of an assumption
by saying what's your number instead of can I get your number, you're just assuming she wants
to give you her number. And that's a great assumption to make because you're assuming
that you're worthy, you're assuming that she's attracted to you, you're assuming she will say
yes. And that can create a really nice self-fulfilling prophecy. So yeah, I love giving her that statement,
kind of a compliment about why you're enjoying her.
Basically, you've got, you know what?
Wow, you've got great taste in music.
We should go hit the record store together sometime.
Not that record stores exist, but you know.
Or we should go to check out all that I know
this great live music event we should go to it what's your number so yeah no
overthinking no hesitation assume she wants to do something with you now I've
been talking about hey what's your number and that's a perfect I want you
to get numbers absolutely if you want to take this to the next level, a really good way to get the number is you actually
ask for the date first. And then you make the number exchange more the normal thing
that occurs when two people agree to meet up together. So if you want, if it's going
really well, she's really being present and positive and
even flirting with you, which would be a nice bonus.
If you just feel like it's going really well, then what you could do is you could say, hey,
you know what we should do?
We should do XYZ fun thing together.
It'd be nice to get to know you better and, you know, grab a glass of wine with you next
week.
What night's good for you?
So you could ask her out in person and then set up the date right then and there with
her mid approach.
This is absolutely, absolutely on the table for you.
And this can actually make the interaction feel even more impactful and more positive
for her.
Because lots of guys just grab a girl's number and then chase her down for a date.
And that's very hit or miss.
There's a lot of flaking that goes on in this world.
But if you actually have such a great vibe with her, set up the date with her, and then
you just make the phone number exchange part of two people who have already agreed to that
Thursday night date this week, oh man, it's very unlikely she'll flake. And very likely you'll have a date. So that is
essentially when and how to do it. So much of this is just about certainty in your voice
and a positive expectation in that, of course you'll want to give me your number. So if
you're nervous, that's okay. I remember the first couple times I did this my hand was literally shaking bro
Like I took my phone out and I'm just like
My shaking it's okay if you get nervous
Every time you do it you're gonna get smoother and more comfortable
So again, once you hit the two-minute mark or both definitely before the conversations over take your phone out
Once you hit the two-minute mark, or definitely before the conversation's over, take your phone out.
Hey, it's been great talking to you.
You have a great energy and you seem really interesting.
And I love that you're into video games, just like I am.
We should meet up for a drink this week.
What's your number?
Let's plan something.
What night's good for you?
Boom, phone out.
Okay?
Here's a quick pro tip.
Pro tip. Don't be a phone number
bandit. What's a phone number bandit? A phone number bandit is a guy who gets a
girl's number and you will get numbers and then as soon as he gets his her
number he says well nice meeting you. Bye. And he bails. That makes a woman feel
like her phone number was the trophy. We
don't want her to feel like her phone number giving you her number was the
trophy. We want her to feel like you guys really clicked and connected and the
phone number was just the side benefit of two people who clearly are liking each
other. And so here's my tip. Instead of being, once you get the number Talk stick around for at least another 30 seconds and talk about anything. I don't care what it is
the weather
The Yankees pizza stalactites
dinosaurs anything just talk for 30 more seconds
So that she doesn't feel like oh my phone number was just
his trophy. So yeah I've done this a million times. Great got it. Thanks for
the number. Cool yeah it's looking good. Tuesday night it is. Fantastic. Great. I'll
text you about details and then I'm thinking don't be a bandit Connell and
then I'll and then I might circle back to maybe one of the topics from earlier.
Oh hey before I go real quick remind me where did you get that tattoo? Because I want to recommend a
friend. I'll just change the topic for literally 30 more seconds. I just I want
her to walk away feeling good about things not feeling like he got his trophy
because if she feels like you just got her number as a trophy she will flake on
you. Okay so that is something you don't want to do.
Let's talk about seven very common conversation fails and how to avoid them.
These are conversation fails and how to avoid it.
Here's conversation fail number one.
Conversation fail number one is the classic running out of things to say.
Running out of things to say.
Here's the fix for that.
Well, one fix for this is what we've already spoken about.
Sticking to this three-step blueprint, okay, this will help you get to that two-minute mark. And once you get to the two-minute mark, it's
gonna be so much easier for you to keep knowing what to say because you're gonna
feel more comfortable in your shoes. Okay? But beyond that, in terms of not running
out of things to say, the fix is lower the pressure you're putting on yourself and follow the 80-20 rule.
The 80-20 rule means that 80%, at least 80% of your conversation with a woman should just
be normal get to know you kind of chit chat, low bar and only twenty percent should be flirty man to woman moves you know teasing flirting compliments that stuff should be at most twenty percent probably more like ninety ten let's call the eighty twenty roll
the reason why so many guys run out of things to say is they just have this really high bar. It's like, oh my god, I've got to be funny, amazing, incredible. No, you just have to be
sincere. Speak your thoughts, be genuine, and remind yourself that you're not
doing a TED talk, you're not doing a stand-up act, and you're not doing game.
Fuck that mentality. You're not doing game. You're just being yourself, being
authentic, and being present, being a good active listener. And the 80-20 rule, I
really love it because it unlocks that authentic self because it takes the
pressure off and it lowers the bar because you're not straining for
something to say. So if you run out of things to say, one thing you can do is
you can just follow the 80-20 rule, one thing you can do is you can just
follow the 80-20 rule. Another thing you can do to not quote run out of things to say is give
yourself a back pocket topic. You know, give yourself some kind of a back pocket topic.
And that's a really good way to never have to deal with running out of things to say.
way to never have to deal with running out of things to say and that leads us to fail number two awkward silences right.
You approached her you've chatted and then there's a long.
Awkward.
Silence and women hey awkward pauses. Women hate awkward pauses almost as much as I hate country music.
It's that bad.
So you definitely want to fill those silences.
How do you fill those awkward silences?
Well, actually this is another one where a back pocket question is a great thing to have ready.
Back pocket topic or even better, a back pocket question.
When you go out to meet women or just being ready in general in life, it's good to have
a back pocket question ready to go so that you can always have something ready to say.
My favorite back pocket question back in the day when I was out approaching women for my
own love life, I would always ask them, so what do you do for fun?
I mean, besides get charming men to come flirt with you.
I love that.
Basically I'm asking what she does in her fun spare time besides me flirting with you. I love that. Basically I'm asking what she does in her fun spare time
besides me flirting with her. That's a really simple line, right? It's just 15 words. I'll
repeat it. It's a great back pocket question. What do you do for fun besides get charming
men to come and flirt with you? Because this just 15 word line does three powerful things, keeps the conversation going, it shows
confidence and playfulness, and it clarifies for her that you are flirting with her.
You are not just being friendly, although you are friendly, you are not just Mr. Friendzone,
no.
You are there to flirt with her.
And I really love that question.
So if you are worried about what to say or worried about running out of things to say, just say, hey, what do you do for fun? What
do you love to do? You know, besides getting handsome men to come say hi to you. And that's
a really nice way to keep things moving forward while also being flirtatious. But you can
also have other back pocket questions depending on the situation.
It's very context dependent.
So what I would do is always have a back pocket question ready to go depending on where you
are and what time of day it is.
If you're going to the coffee shop on Saturday and you might meet a really cute girl, have
a back pocket question that makes sense.
Question about coffee. A question about what she did last night for Friday night
if it's a Saturday. If you're going to some kind of party and there's gonna be
a lot of people and women there who you don't know and you might meet a really
cute attractive woman, have a back pocket question. Could be as simple as, so how do
you know Jake, the host? Could be something like that. And just having a
back pocket question will probably mean you won't need it. You probably won't even need
it because just knowing it's there, it will free your mind to just be really present and
just always come back to being authentic and sincere and knowing that you are more than
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Okay, conversation fail number three, not asking for a number or date.
Here's the fix.
If you like her, go for it.
Don't settle just for a nice conversation.
Say something as simple like, hey, this was fun.
Let's do it again.
What's your number?
If you like her go for what you want a number a date don't settle just for a good conversation
Make sure you leave things somewhere
This is a big conversational fail it's not about the content so much. It's about bailing out of a great conversation
because you're not sure where to take it. If you're not sure where to take it, ask
for her number. This is, other than approaching anxiety, this is probably
going to be, this is going to be something that you're going to have to
face and be ready for. It's feeling like, oh my god the conversation is going
pretty well, but I'm not sure what to do, so I'll just bail. When in doubt,
ask for her number. Here's a quick story about my client Joel. A few years ago on
a sunny Saturday afternoon, my client Joel and one other client were
out and helping them approach women in a park here in New York City. And so I'm
playing wingman and Joel is sitting on a park bench
talking to a really classy, attractive woman.
She's got dark brown hair, she's got sunglasses on,
she's wearing short shorts, she is a total babe.
And it's going great.
She's smiling and laughing
and they're having a great conversation.
So I leave Joel thinking he's in good shape.
I go out and find my other client and I come back about six, seven
minutes later and I see that that woman in the short shorts is still there but
she's alone and I was like oh where's Joel and I found Joel
sitting not far away. He's out of view of her, but he's sitting on the bench, his
shoulders are slumped, his face is in his hands, and he's so upset at himself. I
said, what happened? Or he's so upset, I didn't know why at the time. I said, what
happened? I thought maybe he got rejected harshly, I thought maybe something really
bad happened. I said, what happened? He said, I screwed up.
It was going great. Connell was going so well, but I chickened out and I didn't ask her out. I just left. I am such a coward.
And I said, it's all good, man. It's all good. But she's still
there. It's not too late. You can go back over there right
now. And I said said this is one of
those he's like oh if I go back over there it'll look so bad and I said look
this is one of those moments when you got to step up take that courageous
action it's not too late and I said let me give you a tip here's what will work
really well I said let me ask you what's the most honest truthful thing you could
go back and say to her at this point he stood up and he's getting a little bit more
upbeat and he said, the most honest thing would be that, well, that I tell her
that I wimped out because I got scared but I think she seems awesome and I want
to take her out. I said, great, there she is, go back over there.
So he marches back over there.
She's only like 40 yards away.
He goes back over there, she's sitting in the exact same spot
on this park bench, this is in Madison Square Park
here in Manhattan.
He walks right back over to her, he sits down next to her.
Sorry, no, I'm sorry, he walks over
and he stands right in front to her and, or sorry, I know, I'm sorry, he walks over and he stands
right in front of her and she looks up and I can't hear anything because he's too far
away but I can see everything. And so he re-approaches her, he stands there and I just see her look
up, she smiles, he says his thing which is basically, I'm, I wimped out, I got scared
but I'd love to take you out, And she takes her hand out and says,
yeah, give me your phone.
And she smiled and she brushed her hair back
and she put her number in his phone
and they chatted for another minute
because he's not a phone number bandit.
And then numbers exchanged, they set up that date.
So, and then he came back and he said said oh my god, I feel like a god. I feel so good that I did that and
So yet don't settle for just a nice conversation if it's going well enough
And my definition of how well it's going is she's talking to you, she's giving you her focus, her attention, that means it's going well. Always go for a number and a date if
she's attractive to you. And then the lesson there from that story, I'm just so
proud of Joel, is he just basically said, okay I made a mistake, I got scared, it's
okay to get scared, it's okay to be human, It's okay. I told them, dude, you're
not a coward. You're so not a coward. You're out talking to women in the
daytime. You're a 1% man, I told him. And by walking back over there, you showed
her what kind of character, what kind of resilience you have as a man. Man, that
was so attractive. Now that said, I'd rather you not have to re-approach a
woman. Just get
the digits while you're talking to her. So yeah, keep that. Make sure you always
ask for a number if the conversation went relatively okay. Conversation number,
fail number five, only asking questions. You've heard of the dreaded interview
mode, right? Conversation fail number four is if you only ask questions and the fix here is you want to avoid
Her feeling like she's interrogated
We don't want her to feel like she's in the back room of the NYPD blue right under the hot light
Where were you on the night of January 14th?
If you only ask women questions, then it just doesn't.
It doesn't come off well, and women hate it, they're used to it, and it's an understandable
problem with wanting it to go well.
You're not sure what to say, so you just ask questions.
But we want to avoid asking tons and tons of questions too many times in a
row.
So here's the fix for that.
The fix for this is simply answer whatever question that you just asked her.
Answer that question yourself as if she had asked you, even if she hadn't.
So for example, you're talking to a girl.
You're at a bar. Hey, what's up, what brought you out tonight?
And she says, oh, I'm out with my girlfriends.
Celebrating a birthday, oh cool, awesome.
Now it'd be nice if she asked you
why you're out that night, but maybe she doesn't,
and you just answer that same question.
Answer the question as if it was asked of you.
Oh yeah, I'm out tonight with my three buddies,
getting together with my frat boys from you. Oh yeah, I'm out tonight with my three buddies,
getting together with my frat boys from college.
Oh great, cool.
And now the benefit of this is you don't want to just
be asking her to do all the conversational work.
You want to bring something to the table, right?
I remember when I met that girl, Melissa, in Miami.
I walked up to her, we're chatting, I'm jean shopping and I said
yeah what are you up to today? And she said I'm out shopping for whatever
shoes or whatever she said. And I just went into my mind that I thought what am
I doing today? And I said oh yeah nice I'm here walking around just shopping
for jeans. But now and then I added a flirty line, now it looks like
I'm shopping for pretty girls. So here's your pro tip. It's totally fine to ask
questions, okay? Don't get in your head about asking questions, but don't only
ask questions. Break them up with your own statements, things you want to share,
things you want her to know. And if you catch yourself asking more than two or three
straight questions in a row, notice that and jump in
and say something as if she had asked you that question.
So in other words, here's a good drill for you to do this.
Here's a drill.
I did this with my client Adam.
My client Adam did an in
person coaching session. We're in on the Jersey Shore during the summer and I
noticed he would walk up to women. He was confident, he had great vocal tonality,
he was bringing some good energy but he was um, he would just ask like five, six, seven straight questions.
And women were getting fatigued by that.
It's very fatiguing to women to just feel like they're being interrogated.
So I said, okay, here's your mission. The next woman you talk to,
you cannot ask a single question. You can only make statements.
And so he walked up to this girl and I'm
literally standing next to him as his wingman and he walks up and he's like,
so guys how's your... he's about to ask how's your night and he switches it to,
hey my nights going amazing and they said really? Wow, wow, why? Why is your
night going amazing? And he said, oh, well, I'm celebrating. My new company just did this.
I was like, oh, cool.
They said, what do you do?
He said, oh, yeah, this is my job.
And instantly, the conversation flipped from women being fatigued by him asking all these
interrogating questions to women responding to what he was offering them.
So that's a great mission I would love for you to go do.
Give yourself a fun little exercise.
And this is a great thing to do with a wingman.
If you have a wingman, go up to a couple girls or go up with your wingman to one or more
women.
And then if you ask a single question in the first two minutes of an approach conversation, your wingman gets to punch you.
How about that?
That's a fun drill.
It'll just flip a switch in your mind
where you switch from asking questions
to making statements.
And here's some good phrases to start statements with
to get you revved up. I feel
Here's what I think
Oh, here's a good one. You seem walk up to a woman instead of asking her where she's from
Which she's so sick of walk up to her and say hey, I just saw you and you seem like you're from
New Jersey or you seem like you're from the south
And this even if you're wrong, it's fine. It's not about being accurate. It's about
Bringing some energy that you're bringing to the table as opposed to asking her to bring all the energy and answer all of your questions
So by the way, I'm not saying you should never ask questions.
You just want to have a nice balance.
Now fail number five is actually related to the last one.
Fail number five is asking boring questions.
By the way, I don't have a problem with questions.
I want good questions.
There are two kinds of questions that women are sick of. They're sick of yes or no questions. Boring
yes or no questions don't give them much to answer. And they're sick of very
informational logical questions. What do you do? When did you graduate? How long
have you been working there? How many siblings do you have? Where are you from?
Instead of asking boring questions, here's the fix.
The fix is to ask open-ended questions
or and or emotion-based questions, right?
So don't ask what do you do,
or I should say don't only ask that,
ask what do you love most about your job?
Instead of when did you graduate ask her?
What was your favorite part of college or what was you? What did you love most about going to college at that college?
think feel
Feel feel feels women are all about feelings. They're all about emotions
I mean we all are we're human but women especially have feelings and emotions right
at the top of their skin in a sense.
Whereas you and me as men, we're probably more logical, more analytical on the surface.
Women are just dying to speak, connect with people emotionally, and this is a way for
you to do it.
So those are some emotions.
So yeah, emotional questions
would be, you know, what do you love to do more than anything else? What lights you
up? What's your favorite thing to do in the whole world when you're not talking
to handsome men like me? And then those are emotion-based questions. And then you
can also ask open-ended questions. And these can be a bit more analytical, but
because they're not yes or no questions, they're
open-ended, they invite her to give you a more expansive response.
So open-ended questions, a lot of them start with what, why, how, or where.
What do you love most about being a lawyer?
Why did you move to LA from Atomwa, Iowa?
How did you and your sister here who I'm talking to, how did you end up coming out here tonight?
Or if she's with her friend, how did you two meet?
Or where? Here's a good one. Where would you want to live if you could live
anywhere or when things get flirtier in the conversation, where do you think you
and I should go together on our first vacation as a couple? You could ask that
question in an approach. That's very flirtatious. Okay, so that's the fix for that fail.
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Fail number six.
Conversational fail number six.
Talking about yourself in a boring way.
What does it mean to be boring?
Being boring can happen for a couple reasons.
It's not because you're a boring guy.
Absolutely not.
You are not a boring person.
Everybody is interesting and compelling in their own ways
I really believe that
You might be boring because well see fail number five
You might be boring if you speak purely in logic and information
If you're a software engineer if you're an engineer or into mechanic or into software stuff
If you are a number cruncher if you're an engineer or into mechanic or into software stuff, if you are a number cruncher, if you're an accountant,
it's very possible you're trained every single day, 40, 50 hours a week to be very logical and analytical.
Then when you go approach a woman at a bar on a Friday night, she's looking to have fucking fun.
She wants to laugh and joke and flirt and dance and be silly. She does
not want to live in a logical emotional or a logical analytical place. That's
like cold water in the pool. Logic and information is cold pool water to women.
So you want to bring them some warm water. You want to bring her to the warm
end of the pool. In other words, you want to not be boring. So a really easy way to to not be boring is, well, the last tip
was bring emotion to your conversation, which I'll talk about in a second. Well,
actually, I'll tell you right now. This is sort of an extension of the last tip. To
not be boring, start off a lot of sentences with I love or I hate. I love, I hate.
Charisma. When talking to women, so much of charisma comes from having a full
unfiltered raw real range of expressiveness. Going all the way. Being
amplified. Being a bit more spiky is a good word.
So I love this, I hate this.
I'm not saying be negative, oh I hate this.
Like I don't mean be a negative person,
but feel free to let her know that you absolutely
love The Beatles and love Coldplay,
but you fucking hate country music
and you hate reality housewives shows and you love what she
just said about X but you hate what she said about Y. Having some love and hate
in your conversation is a good way to kind of spike the conversational punch
because you're doing what bad boys do. You're doing the thing that more
unfiltered men's you just quote-unquote tell it like it is, do, but you get to do it as a big-hearted authentic awesome guy
as a gentleman, as what I call a 1% man. You get to do it as that best most
authentic self, so you get to steal the bad boy moves without being an asshole,
without being abusive, without being a dick. You get to you get the best of both worlds women don't want assholes and dicks they date assholes and dicks sometimes because assholes and dicks have a full range of expression.
They're very bold with their words they give fewer fucks so i guess i'm saying to you is you wanna give fewer conversational fucks you wanna be more expressive and extreme in your expression so lots of i love love and lots of I hate. Not lots of I hate, some I hate. Okay. I was on a
date once and by the way the things you love and hate can be the smallest
silliest little things like trifles. I was on a date once and I remember we
were talking about oh my god I love travel. I love seeing the world. I just
got back from Ireland. I felt so lit up standing on the cliffs of Moher.
I was so connected to my family, my past, the waves crashing.
I felt superhuman.
She was just loving it.
And then I said, but you know what I hate?
On the flight back, this asshole guy behind me was using my seat back to stand up five times.
He kept jerking me back.
I hate people like that.
People like that should be thrown out of the plane.
So I'm not really being negative.
I'm being grumpy and also so genuine.
I hate people like that who sit behind me.
And she loved that. She
laughed her butt off. So we're giving women a full range of genuine
authentic expression and a way to help you get there faster. Flip that switch as
I love and I hate. And also back to my last tip, start off sentences with I
feel. I feel. Here's how I feel. How do you feel? Here's how I feel. Women
love men who talk through the lens of feelings. And just making stronger conversational stands,
having a strong point of view. You know what's boring to women? You know how you might be boring
women maybe and not know it? Is lacking a strong point of view. Lacking a strong committed opinion.
So believe strongly in whatever you're
talking about. That's attractive to people in general and women in particular. Even this
very podcast, this is kind of a meta way to coach you, but even this very podcast, the
art of podcasting, or the art of communicating in a forum like this, I'm being a bit more polarizing
and extreme in my expression than I'm gonna be
with my girlfriend tonight.
When I'm just hanging out with my girlfriend,
watching TV, we're cooking, I'm not saying,
I love this, I hate that.
I'm being a little extra spiky with you
because hopefully this is holding your attention
and hopefully making this a more compelling,
interesting podcast. It's kind of the same in dating
Think of it as being your authentic self, but it's an amplified
Version of you so conversational fail number six is talking about talking about yourself in a boring way
Being too logical
Being too milk toast and watered down
Instead of taking a real stance. So say I
love when you love something. Mention a couple things that you might hate. Use I
love, I feel. And just have strong genuine opinions. Be less filtered. And it's
really attractive to women. And I think it's gonna feel really good to you as
well. Okay and conversational fail number seven is asking for her number too soon.
It's kind of the flip side of that earlier lesson about not going for the digits.
As I said earlier, you always want to get to that two-minute mark in an approach before
you can hope to have a number that's gonna go somewhere.
So always make your goal reaching that two minute mark after you approach.
But you can, most guys make the mistake
of not asking for a number at all.
But every so often there's a guy who asks for it too soon.
I had a client who used to walk up to women, Jake,
he would literally say, hi, I'm Jake,
and I want your phone number.
Like literally the opening
line. And I love his boldness, but that's just too fast. So make sure that you get to
that few minute mark and or beyond but at least two minutes before you go for her number.
This comes down to before you get you got to give right. And so you got to give a little
bit before she's going to before you're going to get give, right? And so you gotta give a little bit before she's gonna,
before you're gonna get her phone number.
Okay, here's that bonus tip.
I wanna give you maybe one of the most common
approaching questions I get.
Maybe number one is, how the hell do you,
what do you do at the gym?
You might be thinking like, how do I meet women at the gym?
I don't wanna be that that creepy guy hits on girls.
What if she complains what if i get kicked out but but there's probably a couple of women in your gym who are just like damn.
They are your type what here's what to do here's how i here's my approach to approaching women at the gym remember women go to the gym.
And remember, women go to the gym not to get hit on per se, but to get their H-I-T-T hit on.
They're there to exercise first and foremost.
So don't hit on her per se, but you absolutely can and should, I think, strike up light,
friendly conversations with women to see if there's chemistry.
So think of, well, don't think of it this way.
Your gym is a social club and she's a fellow member, right?
So it's perfectly okay for you to seek to socialize
with a woman who catches your eye at the gym.
You just don't open the conversation with a direct,
super direct sexual come on, you know?
Damn, those yoga pants are painted on.
Don't do that.
Don't open with something cheesy.
Like, oh, you must be taking boxing classes because you're a knockout.
No cheesy pickup lines.
So yeah, avoid vulgar and cheesy.
In other words, don't walk up to her and say, damn girl, we should do a pose called downward
doggy style, the yoga girl.
Here's my advice.
Here's what you want to do at the gym.
If you see a girl you're attracted to at the gym, wait for a moment when she's not doing
her exercise and then break the ice with her in that friendly G-rated way, just like I
talk about in the last episode.
So use the authentic approaching method.
Question compliment or observation.
Okay.
It could be about her great style, her cool tattoo.
You might ask her an innocent question about the music she's listening to.
What's on her playlist?
Hey, excuse me, miss.
Yeah, I'm curious.
What's on your gym playlist?
That's a great way to break the ice at the gym. And these openers are virtually
rejection proof because you're just testing the conversational waters. You're
not doing weird pickup moves. You're not hitting on her. You're not doing anything
that's gonna get you in trouble with the front desk. You're not gonna get marched
out of there if you approach women this way. Okay, so you break the ice with her in that more conversational way. Next, notice how she responds. Read her
body language. If her reply is very terse and she doesn't hold eye contact with you,
no worries. You say, oh hey what's on your playlist? And she's like, oh yeah a
podcast and she turns away from you. Stay upbeat, just say, okay, great,
have a great workout and move on.
You did not creepily hit on her.
You just said hello and maybe she wasn't in the mood to talk.
She almost certainly will not complain.
Okay, however, what if she's positive and engaged?
What if she smiles?
She gives you some nice little social green lights, at least social green
lights, to keep chatting with her socially
if not romantically. Then keep talking to
her. Be sincere. Keep things light. Do
exactly the things I've been talking
about in this episode. So follow that
three-step roadmap. Topic number one,
explore that
Exchange names topic number two and then after about two minutes
Again, the two-minute mark that's magic you take out your phone and you say hey I'll let you get back to your planks, but it'd be cool to talk again. We should go get wheatgrass shots
Shall we do numbers something like that take out your phone. And if she says
yes, awesome, success. You just landed a date with the gym hottie. You're going to feel
like Superman. And the two of you could be doing, you know, she could be getting a smoothie
together in an hour or two. If she says no, or no thank you you don't take it personally. She might be in a relationship
She might have a boyfriend. She might have a girlfriend
hopefully both
Or it's also possible that she just sees the place the gym as the place to get fit not to get dates and
You know what most women I've found are actually pretty flattered
When you ask even if she's not available women I've found are actually pretty flattered when
you ask. Even if she's not available or interested, most women are actually
flattered. So there's a very very high likelihood that she'll give you a
positive response, at least as a thank you, and then she'll wish you well and
you'll feel great about taking a romantic risk. I once approached a woman this way at my gym.
Absolute stunner. And I did exactly what I just described. And then when I asked
her out, she said actually she held up her ring finger, which I had not even
looked at. And she said, actually my husband probably won't like that. And then
she paused and she said, you know what? I have this friend Sarah. You guys might be great
together and she fixed me up. So I still got something great out of the interaction. Plus
I made a really good impression on this woman. So if you do ask her out or ask for that number
and she says thanks but no thanks stay positive wish her well and feel
great about having taken that risk and know that you did it with real social
grace I remember one other story from the gym I was once at the gym on a
Sunday afternoon and I complimented a woman on her she had a Rolling Stones
t-shirt I said hey excuse me miss you have really great style I love the stones and she smiled a real big smile and then she
said actually I I noticed your t-shirt too I saw you earlier and I was I've
been wearing a Krispy Kreme t-shirt and she said yeah I saw you earlier your
t-shirt was making me hungry so So she gave me really strong indicators. She told me that she'd seen me. She was smiling, a really big smile
facing me and it was a really a lot of good social signals. And it became
pretty clear she was attracted to me. And then when I went for that phone number
and got a date, I got it. And yeah, pretty soon, so we went from talking about
classic rock and glazed donuts
for literally three minutes
to swapping numbers and setting up a date.
Which, by the way,
included a very delicious,
decadent trip
to Krispy Kreme.
Because hey, if you're going to go to the gym
to burn fat,
you want to find a fun way to put it back on, right?
Okay, that is this episode.
I hope this has been helpful to you.
You now have a very simple, bulletproof way to approach,
to talk to women, to get dates,
and to keep the conversation going.
And this is all you need. Now it's just about you need now it's just about applying it
it's just about applying it and putting this into practice in the real world and
speaking of the real world in the next episode I'm actually gonna break down
some real-life interactions that I've had with actual clips. I'm gonna be playing some in real life quote-unquote
in-field approaching clips of me talking to real women out in the world. You're
gonna be able to hear me. You're gonna be able to hear my moves, hear how I talk
to women by actually kind of eavesdropping on actual approaches I've
done with real women in the field and I'm
really proud of it and I think it's gonna help you be like oh okay now I'm
really understanding how to do it. So anyway stick around that's gonna be the
next episode in field audio of me chatting up some some women having some
wins having some some blowouts and bouncing back from it and that's all coming up
next. So stick around for that for part four of this four-part series about how
to meet women in real life and don't forget you're a dream girlfriend she is
out there and she is gonna love you but she's gonna want to meet the real
authentic you. So be authentic go go out there, take action, Carpe Datum. Seize the date.