How We Got Away with Murder - HTGAWM Season 1 Final Thoughts (w/ Katie Findlay)

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Katie Findlay is back for Part 2 of the Season 1 finale, where the conversation moves beyond Rebecca's shocking exit and into what it was actually like filming those final episodes. Katie reflects on rewatching her performance years later, seeing a young actor processing the loss of a character and creative family in real time, while Jack and Matt share their own memories of the uncertainty, anxiety, and emotional highs and lows that came with making network television. Along the way, they revisit fan theories, debate what they can (and definitely can't) remember about Season 2, and uncover how much of Rebecca's story was influenced by what was happening behind the scenes. After saying goodbye to Katie, Jack and Matt take a moment to reflect on the journey of revisiting Season 1 together for the podcast. They share what it was like for Jack to watch the show for the first time, how their memories resurfaced through the process, and why the experience gave them a newfound appreciation for the cast, the fans, and the cultural moment that How to Get Away With Murder created.  That's officially a wrap on Season 1 of the How We Got Away With Murder podcast! THANK YOU to everyone who joined in on this journey through Season 1 of How to Get Away With Murder. We’re incredibly grateful for all of your questions, theories, memories, and support along the way.We'll be taking a short break, but don't worry... We'll be back soon to dive into Season 2. See you then! In the meantime, keep up with us on social:IG @jackfalaheeTIKTOK @jackfalahee X @RestingPlatypus REDDIT u/ItsMeJackFalaheeIG @mattmcgorry TIKTOK @matt.mcgorry X @MattMcGorry Facebook: @ActorMattMcGorryThank you to our sponsors:Hero Bread: This year, hit your goals without giving up your favorite bready dishes. Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to hero.co and use code JACKANDMATT at checkout.Omaha Steaks: Go to OmahaSteaks.com and use promo code JACKANDMATT at checkout for $35 off. Minimum purchase may apply.This podcast is brought to you by Podcast Nation.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

hey everyone my name is matt mcgorry and i played the character asher millstone on how to get away with murder and i'm jack fallahy and i played connor walsh on that very same tv show and this is the how we got away with murder podcast we're going to continue this conversation with katie about gearing up to leave the show and all of the feelings, big and small, that came with that. Is that fair to say, Katie? Yeah, yeah. Mostly just little tiny, little tiny teacup-sized feelings.

Nothing too serious. Not a big gulp feeling? I think there were some big gulp feelings. Me? How dare you, sir? Yeah, I had some big gulp feelings. I saw on Reddit that a lot of people in finishing this season felt like it it set up like a really good game of clue like about Rebecca's death just because like everyone's in the house but you don't know you don't know like we kind of talked about earlier

in the episode that the timeline of who's going upstairs and downstairs is very confusing intentionally yeah I forgot I watched it yesterday yeah exactly same yeah yeah so I think that it I think it is does a really good job here of like setting up a big world of possibilities for the writers and i don't remember what happens well they also i i i noticed that them punching in on west when everyone else is in the backyard them punching it on west standing down there looking at the chair like you can read it emotionally as he's finally completely lost this person who he was trying to hold on to and trying to understand and grappling with or it could be you know why why are we visually tying him to this absence yeah there's so much

yeah they leave so much open it's so great does he find out later and maybe this is a spoiler we don't but like does he find out does anyone other than who knows that rebecca's dead find out that she didn't that she's not just fleed i don't know that's part of the show that i didn't watch i see right do you remember jack no how can i ask yeah i mean i don't know how they would find it I don't even remember there being a plot line of I didn't remember the backyard I didn't remember that we set up that Rebecca had maybe fled

if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you what season 2 episode 1 is even about Jack texted me and was like wait you were on trial yeah man well we said we were talking about an episode

recently where we were like that's now since come out but the one i was listening to in the shower where matt and i are questioning whether or not uh annalise goes on trial like we can't remember if annalise is ever in court i don't even still don't know like i still remember i'm i have no idea i just think about you sitting in the gallery jack going that's illegal no we can't do that no Oh, it's definitely super illegal. Oh, we definitely can't do that. I remembered that Rebecca is killed, but I didn't remember.

I still do not remember any of the fallout or the cat and mouse that happens next, which I'm sure that's what season two is. I know we spoke about this on the episode where the previous episode we did, but I was just wondering if between then and now, if there was any other sort of kind of emotions or things you're processing that kind of came to light

by the end of you know this like last sort of episode yeah it's not often that i watch myself on tv and i don't know where i was i don't know if that's true for anybody else as an actor but like usually i can tell where i'm working from um i don't have a very uh i would say like involved process with my work which is funny because they put alfie and i together so he would come and go kate what's your favorite shakespearean image and i would go i am eating a sandwich sir but uh this is the only thing i've ever been in where i watched it back and i was really struck last night i had no idea where i was just this episode i was like i see a child i see so many more moments where i thought i was making the choice to sound a certain way

or to come across a certain way and really what i sounded like was a lost kid in pain interestingly i also recognize it in alfie like when ak is cradling west and trying to rebuild his brain because they need to get through this together like the way his voice starts to lilt and the sort of um the unguarded way he starts to talk there are moments of that uh but i know i wasn't doing it on purpose yeah i mean was that was it a lot of that just how you were actually feeling at the time knowing that your time yeah and the show was shifting my hands were tied i i couldn't you know every i mean everyone's where it wasn't just me but like i just had the time i had left and i spent the entire episode trapped and nothing i said would change anything or do

anything right um and also i was surrounded by people who loved me and were incredibly kind to me and also couldn't change the experience i was about to have so like right anytime asia had to like hold me or grab something from me she would come back and go and like hold my little hands and right like asian amy king the great love of my life forever and ever asian amy king so it was yeah it was just sort of a strange overlap yeah i think of watching myself uh try to process that in real time knowing i was probably gonna get hit with a bit of a bombshell once we were done filming this and just holding on to the time that i had right yeah but i mean i think i think it works totally like i don't think it ruins the show my absolutely my mental breakdown didn't

didn't ruin the show but um no not at all probably helped the show no i mean the work i think it's i think the work's great yes episode you know yeah i think it's really really really strong and i i have a lot of respect too for just at knowing yeah i don't know i i have not been in that position, you know, of like knowing like, okay, like I have to do a good job even though I'm being let go as an employee effectively, you know? I mean, I've had, obviously I've had like, I am a grownup now and I've had all kinds of other work situations. I'm sure we all have, but like, I think it was my, I was so young. I did not realize how, until we were talking about it, I did not realize how young I was. In my brain, I was like 25, 26. I wasn't, I was 23.

like yeah i was an infant child we were all kind of infant children but like yeah no just watching like tiny zygote me try to work through the thing i can't even remember how i was feeling um but and then doing it with like all of my friends and people i really love that i would you know work with forever if given the chance very interesting i mean it but i i think it it works for rebecca though you know it's like this at least like wes who she's come to fall in love with is like turning on her so it was art art reflecting life in some ways well but also the idea that like something i found interesting that is not me but there was rebecca is that that i saw mirrored a little bit in viola i mean i could watch this show 900 times and just watch

viola davis but uh and a little bit in bonnie is like i can say things but it doesn't mean that people will listen to me and it doesn't mean that people will show up um and rebecca obviously has a much rougher less polished approach to that feeling but i think i see in bonnie and annalise as well that is sort of a more matured version of i have to take care of my shit because people say all kinds of stuff and then when it hits the fan they're not they're not going to be there so you just have to if you're going to chew your own leg off get out all right yeah i think there were things at the time that i thought of as kind of nonsensical or i didn't understand why i was saying them but i was like yeah sure i guess you know i'm taking a i'm taking a big swing

and now when i watch how the writers mapped out her sort of dissociation and her sort of fall from community um where she just she started to trust it and then stopped trusting it again and the only thing that was left to her was uh it was things that would come across as irrational right like like anti-social behavior essentially right yeah but like watching her fall from reality a bit and just say whatever whatever might get her out whatever might change anything just like wiggle around until the ropes are loose kind of behavior was was in more interesting this time around as a grown-up i think watching watching a kid struggle then being the kid yeah and i and that's sort of my point though i think that like probably what you

were feeling as katie in you know informed that you know get the ropes loose kind of feeling of having this big emotional experience of like leaving this show that knowing that the ending was nigh I guess yeah that's super intense and yeah

I don't know I just have a lot of respect I think for you coming in and like knocking it out of the park you know because I think that like I think I could see if I were put in that position where I was mentally at that at 24 like i don't i don't know if i would have had the same grace and poise uh i did not feel

graceful and poised thank thank you so much i appreciate it man oh man did i ever feel like yeah i think you were and i think it shows up on screen most importantly it's just about what's on screen that fucking matters guys here's the deal yeah no i have a lot of respect for it it's it's And yeah, I mean, we've said it before, but it becomes your family. And so I think that like having to go through, I wonder too, it's like watching it, I was like, there's such like mania

in all of the Keating four in this episode. And I wonder how much of it too was us, you know, trying to reckon with you leaving the show, you know, and us being upset in some way. I mean, that's very sweet. being the person that i am i i would probably jump to not assign anybody else's big feelings to to whether or not i'm around but that might be something for my therapist yeah it's a really really kind thing to speculate but um it's true and i think also it it additionally probably

shakes the foundation for any of us of assuming that oh we're just going to be here too yeah yeah like the kind of the combination sure of that no television is weird that way i think people people i know who don't work in tv the more that they sort of piece together how our job works i i had a friend once go katie no wonder you're mentally ill holy smokes they were like every every piece of this is like requires so much like double think and immediate vulnerability and trust and admiration and self-protection and you have to plan in advance but you also can't plan in advance learn to plan without hoping learn to hope without planning yeah yeah sure yeah it's really intense so yeah when it was also the end of the first season like

i'm not surprised that everybody was running hot yeah it's a really really intense time especially for like a lot of people this was i mean jack i know for you didn't you say this was your first like big pilot that went or did i make that up in my brain yeah it's my first pilot period yeah Yeah, it was like my first big job. Yeah, I mean, I think too, to Matt's point, I think at least for me being greener on set, it like definitely contextualized where I was like, oh, we're all going to start dying on the show.

Like, which of course, but like kind of like that naivete that like Elfie brought having worked in, you know, UK television. Where they're kind. Why would we keep the show going? Where, to me, this episode sort of crystallized like, oh, no one's going to be safe going forward. Like, we've now created, you know, a world where, and, you know, I've mentioned this before, but like, this is right around that Game of Thrones time. We're like, all right, we're going to just start killing off characters. And that's good television.

Who leaves now? Yeah. Yeah. And that obviously, to a degree, continues to happen on the show. it was i really really really really mentally struggled with being put into that for like my work life of not knowing if i was gonna have a job in a couple months you know kidding because you fight not only do you fight so hard to get there in the first place but like all there isn't a character on this show that is written without intense vulnerability so you're all showing up to

work both of you like everyone is showing up to work every day like with your ribs out i remember I mean, this is like, you know, how it manifested for me, I think, like in a silly way. But I remember in subsequent seasons being so anxious about being written off the show that I like flipped to the point of like, I want them to write me off the show. Like I want, you know, some part of me was just like, it would just be easier if I got killed off the show. And I kind of forgot in to a degree that feeling. and then looking back on like old photos and everything i found like a screenshot of uh of

i used to play league of legends this you know can i just computer game can i just uh i uh express my deep affection for you i'm telling i'm telling this mostly for you because you'll appreciate it but my i around the time of the second and third season i think i was playing a lot of league of probably to disassociate to some degree and my my gamer tag was kill connor because i think i was just so like i remember i remember in the second or third season like bill delia like sitting down with me and being like hey man like we got to talk through this like you're not you're not handling it well and i remember just being like well like you killed katie off like they're gonna get like someone else is gonna get killed you know but yeah it's

just it's such a weird um it's it's yeah it's just a weird job and it's like weird to be have that feeling of like oh like if it like it's not personal but it feels deeply deeply personal well that's what i was gonna say is that it's like you the the hardest part about it is that you are surrounded by people who love you yeah like you're surrounded by people who see you for 18 hours a day and deal with when you get in a weird show bubble and your brain goes insane and you start saying all kinds of stuff or you go through a breakup or you are exhausted whatever like people really see you and they can't that can't factor into whether or not you stay employed right i think it can factor into if you don't like if you're an asshat and you are terrible

yeah yeah right but if you are a reasonable human being the the love of your colleagues and your boss and your whatever isn't it can't in the system as is keep you employed and especially as an actor once you're not employed anymore it really is like you fall off a fast moving boat and you're floating in the river right and you're like oh i used to be oh it's gone i can't even see it anymore it's moving so fast right yeah and even beyond that it's like you could do the best job possible and be beloved on the show. And they, and that might be the reason, you know, cause it has, it will have the largest impact on the audience, you know? So it's, yeah, it's a weird, um, it's not like performance based, you know? No, no. There's nothing like a lot of the time, there's

nothing you could do better. You're just doing your best. And you assume like, I used to do this all the time where I would ask, I'd be like, Hey, am I doing anything wrong? Yeah. Like when I first started on my first show i was like do i need to act different do i am i could i be doing anything better could i be could i be and they were like no are you good what's wrong with you yeah yeah take a deep breath this is a this is like a a teenage show about kids in the 80s in high school what do you mean could you be like put the meisner down are you good like yeah yeah totally uh jack who who did you play in league of legends before we continue this intelligent discussion teemo yeah okay sorry about go ahead that's okay i was just even there's just like the practical

element of you know as an actor it's it's hard to get employment and the show you know network television paid pretty well not maybe not as well as at the absolute peak of like network television right we were kind of coming at this like specific moment in time um where network television was kind of decreasing, right. Downsizing and stuff. But yeah, you know, every season you're kind of like, Oh, is this the season where I can afford to make this different financial decision? So it has those, those real impacts that are beyond just like the other stuff, which is like the emotional, psychological feeling of like, you know, not being with your friends and the close people, but also like, Hmm, am I going to buy a home? Am I not going to buy a home? You know,

like all those different layers. Yeah. Or is this the money? My, my anxiety goes, this is the money that you're going to have for the rest of your life. Right. Right. How much do I stretch this? Right. How long before I might have to get another job in another profession or another career? I mean, it's a little bit being, it's a little similar to being like an athlete where you can get traded at any time. And you know, you hear these stories all the time of like, well,

like I just bought a house and put my kids into school and they're like, so sorry, you've been traded to the Detroit Pistons. Right. I hate when that happens to me. Yeah, exactly. Right. Except we're not getting traded. we're just getting let go right all right i mean speak for yourself i'm playing for the detroit pistons but it's yeah yeah but yeah it is a totally you forget maybe looking from the outside that there's like all these real life uh decisions that have to be made and you when you're working on a show like ours you like that's that is put into question when you know um which you definitely

see in like in season three the hashtag who's under the sheet season where it was you know the whole premise of that season was one of us was going to be written off the show yeah i didn't know that oh yeah that's horrible we'll get to that but that's that's when the wheels really came off for me that was another reason i couldn't like quite frank like transparently i didn't watch the rest of the show part of it was because i had to like dig myself out of a hole um but part of it was that I just like like it was very activating for me and painful but then also I started hearing things because people would still tell like I would when I came to LA more often I would like talk to you guys or I'd have lunch with Asia or whatever and she would let me know how it's going

but like just being in the zeitgeist of how to get away with murder on the internet people would tell me things or ask me questions or I would see stuff come by and I just started I was like I don't think i want to watch this stuff happen to my friends like i think i don't have the stomach if it was a if i had the separation of it's a television program i think i just slowly became someone like what i consumed started to change and i was like i don't think i have enough distance from this to watch something really bad happen to matt i don't want the image in my brain i don't want to like or or you know whoever i it was like i don't i don't i was like i don't think i'm in a state where i can see that stuff and so i don't you know the the whole rest of the show is a

mystery to me because i was like if i can't if i can't hug them and make sure that they're real then i shouldn't put this in the hopper on reddit i saw a question from known turnover same who said that they read somewhere that there were three versions of lila being killed one in which rebecca actually killed lila that that's not true right i don't remember that being the case right i i wish i feel like you would have remembered that yeah i think yeah i think if i was given a it would be like also them to my house yeah yeah no i don't think that's also there just wouldn't be time or money to do like oh you mean you mean like filmed not just written i think that they yeah they they had read that it was 100 no absolutely not no i wonder if it

was written though probably not as like that i don't remember but i definitely throw off uh people trying to get spoilers or something i don't know yeah me texting billies every billy i know they started having to write multiple endings to every episode after jack yeah yeah yeah they're like we jack really blew it we have to we have to write this this window into the lore into the lore of like jack's mini mid-season tornadoes is really valuable to me yeah oh yeah it gets yeah yep it's real hairy a couple seasons i think i think we should wrap up there yeah sure we've done it we've recapped an entire season of how to get away with murder congratulations for making it through season one of how to get away with murder

for the first time jack fowley thank you incredible i'll never do it again no it was fun to do to watch the i mean i'll never watch the season i don't think i'll ever watch season one ever again yeah um i'm glad that i did mostly to your point of like seeing friends work but there's also a part of me that's like i don't know i i really i think that seeing it and having these memories come back is is worth its weight in gold for me um just because of this now long running narrative of how bad my memory is like it really has been beautiful to like revisit things even this Billy story you know to come back it's like oh yeah like I forgot and I can remember like being on my friend's porch when I sent the text and you know what I mean like all

those feelings come flooding back which is really cool but there's something too about like I like the fallibility of my memory a bit too and like watching the show influenced the the feelings i've had about it mostly in good ways i think overall in good ways but there's something i i don't know there's something like mystical about like having it had happened and not like really remembering it but just like remembering like vague like paintbrush strokes um like a dream sort of thing yeah yeah so i don't know that like watching season one again would bring anything more other than like demystifying it further which at this point like i kind of like the place it's in having now like watched it with matt and you and all of the friends that have come on

you know well it's also not good i don't think it's good for people to have to constantly see themselves from the outside like the experience of working on the show and acting on the show and going to places that you go is its own thing. But having to witness yourself from the outside is not like always the best thing, especially for people with artist brains. So I think it makes a lot of sense that you want to be able to hold that experience without.

That's why I'm just going to do theater for the rest of my life. Yeah. That's why Elfie is just doing theater. Yeah, I think you should. Be a real person. Also shout out Elfie for coming on the podcast and not even promoting a giant Netflix show that he was on.

that's how like he only promoted his play that's how that's how true to his core alfred enoch is he's a man of the earth he didn't my mom had to text me and was like elfie's on netflix you're like who i was like what i just had him on the podcast that's so funny but yeah i think it's been nice to like revisit it for those reasons of just being like oh yeah i now i'm fully reminded of like what a weird beautiful alien Elfie is and Katie is and I don't know that that has been very nice and and to uh you know I was watching it in the um in my dressing room at the theater and one of the younger actors came in who's understudying a role in the show and he he was like man I just started watching and he's 23 wow and hasn't seen the show before and

I was just like wow it's crazy that like the show is still bringing in new audiences and like he was so excited by it too and it was cool to like for me to be like a part of these new audiences and be like oh yeah like I see why people liked it so much like it it's a really engaging tv show like it's really good and everyone's so good in it um so yeah I'm I'm grateful to have watched this season with you guys and with you man yeah and i know you said never watch it again but you know when we do the 50th year anniversary of the podcast and i'm 90 and you're just about 90 way re-watch again you know um yeah yeah also also like i think that the podcast is like invigorating something in in people like carla hit me up and was like i think we should pitch

another How to Get With Murder TV show to play. And I was like, sure. I love that. Yeah. I was like, okay. I was like, just seeing all of us, like, you know, and she had it, like, kind of course, Carla thinking as, like, a producer and director. She had, like, already

had the beats of the show, like, written out. And, like, you know, we pick up, like, Connor's getting out of prison and, like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. And I was like, okay, yeah, let me call Viola, see if we can get V on board, and we'll take it to Pete, and then We take it to ABC.

So I think it's cool that it's like, yeah, it's like relit something for, it sounds like everyone, which is great. I think it was a really formative time for everybody. Oh my God. Yeah. Changed our lives for sure. Okay. Thank you, Katie, for joining us.

Thank you, Katie. Thank you for having me. Wow. We did it. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. oh my god it's a journey that's a wrap on season one of the podcast that's a wrap on life yeah that's it that's it we did it we did it now that i now that i finally watched the show that everyone was talking about i that's it yeah that's true you've um you've come full circle

and there's nothing else to do yeah that's it yeah that was my last to do yeah we're gonna uh put ourselves on um funeral pyres like vikings and just uh yeah have tony have tony's shoe exactly and then push ourselves off into the uh and frank delfino will be there too right right we're gonna do it and like and like until like push ourselves into some rapids too so it'll be fire but also be extremely jostling we're still alive wow so dark but this is how do you feel I can't believe it. I can't believe we did a whole, whole season. It's interesting just how time passes also. Cause you know, we do one episode a week, you know, a lot of other podcasts do like a bunch in a day. Um, so it's taken us, you know, 20 weeks to do it, you know, which is,

um, is that like half a year? I guess 26 weeks would be half a year. So yeah, it's been, it's been cool. It's been interesting. Like the sort of like parallel experience of like traveling through time in that one, you know, that year of filming, you know, and, and while also like just living half a year of filming, you know? Yeah. But yeah, I really, um, I really enjoyed it. How about you? How are you feeling? Yeah. Same. I mean, I think watching it for the first time was more enjoyable than I thought it would be, which I, I also credit to, I think doing this with you and with the fans like i think that you know we've talked about my anxiety quite a bit on the podcast but i think i think i think if i had watched it in a vacuum like alone i think

it would have been probably more difficult than being able to like unpack it together and and relive all of the nice moments uh with you and then with all the guests that we've had on yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah yeah i think that it and which makes sense to me too just because it was such a shared experience you know like filming it and living it and so i i and i think that that's true too of like all of the fan feedback that we've gotten or i've gotten over the years is like so many people like shared this show with someone so it felt it felt right for me to watch it sharing it with you true and the audience you know and and not just like sitting alone in my apartment watching watching how to get away with murder which is which is fine too

if that's how you're consuming sure but yeah but i think that it was such a interesting time in television and the the conversations that were had both like you know around the water cooler so to speak but also like the water cooler of the internet and so it felt cool to be able to like talk through the moments here. Um, cause it, it, it feels evocative. I think of what people first experienced the show. Yeah, that's true. Also, I feel like I, I probably also leaned in more this time to like trying to guess what was going to happen, you know, which I, which I didn't really do during the filming. I was kind of just like, well, I'm along for the ride. I'm going to figure it out um hopefully i stay alive and um you know uh but yeah so it is a different experience

and this is probably closer to what like a lot of the people who watched it experienced you know yeah it's like it was like more immersive yeah yeah you know yeah because even making it it felt like to your point it's like there are so many like life things going on in engaging with the show that even like flipping to the end of the scripts to be like am i still alive right you know but like watching it without that stress yeah made it a completely different experience yeah i think that makes sense it's also been just such a fun joy to get to hang out with you every week on here you know and to just have so many of the belly laughs and the you know the tears of laughter and stuff has been really great again that having a structure can be really supportive

in that way too you know what i mean i'm yawning yeah exactly why you say these nice things to me exactly and it's your body dissociating i understand yeah yeah it's too many that's right it's too many fuzzy feelings i my body can't handle it and you see those memes it was like you know when someone says i love you or gives you affection and you didn't come from a household with that and then it has that song it's like yeah it's like the charlie brown adults it's also been cool uh you know because i've been doing death of a salesman and like it's been interesting going to work and then hearing from people in the cast what their experience was engaging with the show like the wardrobe supervisor was telling me how

she worked in the theater that we're doing death of a salesman 12 years ago like when how to get with murder premiered and that her and some of the other creatives on the show would get together and like chat about what happened thursday night at the winter garden theater oh wow so it's been like really nice to go into work and have people talk about the podcast and then bring up their memories of the show. It is, I think a good reminder, you know, we, you and I interact with people and it's, it'll always be a part of our lives and we always hear people bring it up in conversation. But I think watching it was like a reminder of why that is and like why people stop me on the street. I'm like, Oh, it's because of this, this it's because of the final product of

the thing that we spent so much time making. And it's weird that my relationship to fame was conceptually something i understood but like it wasn't something i had interacted with personally until doing this podcast i know we've talked about this but you know watching it so close to making it when you know when we were kind of like as it was as we were making it as it was coming out it just it's like hard to separate from like the experience of just being yeah in it and just remembering like every you know like remembering what you had for lunch that day just kidding none of our memories are that good by none of i mean neither of ours are covet adult brains um but um exactly uh i think to have it with the distance i feel like also is like and

of course we're as we're watching we're sort of combing for those memories to for things we want to talk about in the podcast but it it really does i think allow you to appreciate it in like a different way in the way that like people originally felt about it you know what i mean as opposed to i don't know when you're when you're there and you're making it and you you know you're always reading it first right and the table reads and whatnot so all these like big moments are first moments on paper that you are maybe imagining a little bit if it involves you um or peripherally involves you and if it doesn't involve you you're not imagining them at all necessarily because you're just streamlining your energy to be able to focus on preparing for the

scenes so yeah it's interesting to get to really see it through like i don't know fresh eyes in a way with a little more distance to it and also i'm just i know i've said this before but it really is i feel like the sign of how much culture has changed that asher was making some of the jokes that he was making especially early on um and i just don't think that you would these days have a character that you're supposed to like on like a progressive show who's doing that you know or or making those jokes in that way and i was thinking this is i recently watched crashing the netflix show that phoebe waller bridge and even that i was like whoo and i was like oh this is 2016 so this was yeah you know kind of around the same time but i'm like yeah a lot of these

jokes too are just like very dated and problematic yeah very you know yeah i mean speaking of it being a point in time like i i also it makes me nostalgic for event television yeah you know someone in my cast a death of a salesman they had a show come out and it's a big show and it like the new season dropped on a streaming service and it was like such a non-event because that's just that's just like content now yeah and it kind of made me like a little sad for him where i was just like oh like it was it was crazy when our show was coming out weekly and and like i mean you even talked about that at the time like the difference between like orange is the new black dropping versus like the weekly cadence right uh release cadence of how to get away with murder but then

like you compound that over six years and like the the mid-season finales the season premieres the season finales like there there was it was such a massive push by shondaland yeah and abc to create these sort of moments in the culture right that feels lacking now yeah i mean you know even it's like you know you'll like be online and be like oh i didn't know that movie even came out right right or and you know i'm sure to a degree that's the bubble of us like just being in it but like it did feel at that time that like because of twitter trending and all of these sort of different levers that made the internet feel smaller in some ways like it just created such an event around the release um and i feel like we achieved that a

little bit in making this podcast where like you know in doing it once a week even for you and i from the production side it felt leading up to it like oh like i'm gonna watch the episode i'm gonna take notes then we're gonna like record it and it created sort of like an energy that felt really interesting just because i feel like i don't know i don't engage with media in that way anymore and i feel like very few people do when something like breaks through it's so notable now because nothing does right you know yeah yeah i guess there is no live tweeting or equivalent to that now right no that doesn't that doesn't exist that's really interesting yeah yeah it was that was such a i'm sure people have like written papers on it and and what have

you and like their sociology and like media you know courses but like it does feel like it won't happen again, at least in that way. You know, I'm sure there'll be some sort of like disruption and like new app and, you know, eventually we're going to be like an augmented reality where you're like on set with us as we're like eating crafty, you know, or filming an episode and you're just there. Yeah. Right. But I don't know. I've been thinking about that a lot in how I've been consuming media. I mean, I canceled while we were filming this podcast, I canceled all my streaming services yeah except for hulu because i because we were we were watching on hulu wait why did you cancel them i kind of just like got overwhelmed by like the scrolling not knowing what

to watch and a little like disenchanted by just like the sheer volume like i noticed new seasons coming out of shows that i've watched and i don't know just not being as interested in them as i thought that i would be and it kind of got me to a point where i was just like oh maybe i just need like a quick little break from this mechanism of consuming media right and i i think partly because we were doing this and i was thinking back to that time where where you know even if it wasn't our show like friend shows would come out or a new season would come out on like tnt or something and i would be like oh i have to watch it now everyone's watching it right now Right. Right. You know? Yeah. Oh my God. That was always so stressful to me. I feel like I purposely avoided that. And the thing is our show was so also plot, like the plot stuff was so important. Right. Like it was like, as opposed to like watching the boys or hacks, which are two shows that I was both looking forward to and also holding off from watching until more of them came out because I just, I didn't want to be edging myself, you know?

And, um, and I was like, I'll just have to avoid all media about this until, until that point. But our show, yeah. Like if you missed something and then, you know, it was reviewed on the internet, it'd be like, damn, that really impacts things. Yeah. Yeah. but i'm feeling a lot of gratitude for the fans of the show both the uh the show how to get a murder and the podcast you know it's also been nice i have some friends that are watching uh how to get a murder for the first time and listening to the podcast and getting to talk to them about it is really fun but yeah just a lot of appreciation and gratitude for the folks who are out there consistently watching and posting sarah carney uh i see her yeah shout out and it's also interesting too that literally i posted yesterday and someone was just like how am i now just finding out that there's a podcast about the show yeah yeah exactly i'm

like because the algorithm fucking hates us it just changes like on a dime and then it's like um yeah so different you know and makes so many things that were so taken for granted just irrelevant yeah i mean it it's been nice being on reddit too and like the seeing the super passionate uh community there and all the questions that came in even when people were like correcting me as we were making the podcast and i'm just like guys i haven't seen it like you guys have seen the show multiple times like i don't remember i don't know how else to tell you but that just shows how like passionate everyone is and, uh,

makes this even more fun. And yeah, I mean, we're going to have a new season. Yeah. Coming out in a bit. It's true. We're going to take a little break.

Yeah. We're going to take a little break, collect ourselves. I'm going to go to Michigan. I'm going to see my dog. Nice. Nice. I haven't seen the entire,

banjo doesn't even know we made a podcast because we've been apart the entire time he could have been like it's been so long like you know laying at my feet listening to us create a podcast and he has no idea oh damn yeah you must miss the shit out of him it's been a while yeah it's been a long time so i'm gonna take a break and go see my dog you're gonna take a little break and go do other things yeah yeah i'm also i'm really i'm wondering if we're gonna remember i mean season two is obviously closer to now so theoretically one year closer our memories might be a little better maybe marginally but also season one is you know i feel like the adrenaline is so high the the like you know i feel like our ability to to have memories that last are oftentimes correlated with

the, um, how strong of an emotional experience it is. And season two, it's probably still pretty strong, but I think season one, it's like, especially so, you know, so I'm just really curious. I have a really hard time remembering anything about season two right now. I'm sure obviously that will change engaging with it, but like I have, which makes sense if you are a fan of the show and you've seen it, I have strong memories about the first season and I have some memories about the third season based on what happens during that season and the sixth season but seasons two four and five if you put a gun to my head i don't know that i could tell you like like i i remember big guest stars coming in for like long you know episodic counts but like i

don't know like i don't know when jimmy smiths came in i don't know when famke jansen came in i don't like i don't know when these people start to show up yeah so yeah i'm curious to explore that too it's like oh are we gonna watch the premiere of season two and be like oh okay like this clicks of like where i was in my life right also with those people it's not like i mean i don't know if i had ever had any scenes with famka i don't think i had any scenes with jimmy so it makes sense too that we're not like you're gonna you're gonna bite your tongue when you see yourself on screen with both of them oh my god no i know my father yeah i only have i only have a memory of being on set with jimmy smith's once okay and it was like a very short scene interesting

so i think i think you're right i mean those people came in to like largely act with file yeah totally so i think yeah more and more so yeah yeah i've been watching i think i've been watching i don't know if these are some older shows i think they are sometimes when i like add in you know a show that's like quite a bit older and then hearing like you know someone like refer to like you know well he's no jimmy smiths you know um it's so interesting he was he was definitely like uh a notable television hot guy oh my god yeah an icon yeah yeah yeah um i mean he like played the barack obama character on the west wing oh i never watched the west wing you've never I've never seen The West Wing.

I don't know if it's a good show for you, actually. I know, I know. I'm watching this in real time. I'm walking, yeah. I'm calculating and you will not like The West Wing. That's fair. I'll go on to, they have a rewatch podcast, doesn't Josh Molina and someone?

I think if you watched it as like satire, you would like it. Sure. You know, it's supposed to be like an idealized version of American politics, which your response would be like, well, there is no idealized version of American politics, which that's another podcast we can do. For sure.

But he, yeah, he, he and I have the same manager, but like, I remember him joining because I had seen the West Wing like three times. Oh, wow. And he played like the young up and comer candidate in the Democratic Party, not Barack Obama, but like a, a Barack Obama type figure. Right. And even before that, I mean, I love that we're getting into this already now. I mean, it could be like season four that he comes in for all I know. Yeah, literally. I have no idea. Yeah. So many memories to explore so many things to forget. Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh, all right. Well, it's, um, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Thanks to truly to all the fans. It really helps me feel motivated and excited to record and sort through my, uh, my mind files. same when when people are responding and appreciating so yeah just deep appreciation for you all agree yeah listening and deep and deep appreciation for you too yeah thanks and

and for alicia our producer yeah thanks alicia shout out alicia yeah um and you know well while we're on our hiatus tell tell some friends that we have an entire season of the podcast out that's right that's right a full course meal a full course meal yeah full law school course load yeah sit down to that that buffet um yeah i know this is sort of uh there's no reason the word load being in there just felt um i don't know like my mind immediately jumps that's how we're gonna have yeah exactly all right everyone thanks for listening load right all right love you pal love you bud love you all love you all take care bye bye now how we got away with murder is an original production by podcast nation

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