HR BESTIES - HR Besties: Bonus Happy Hour - Drones, SHRM and Jingle Jingle

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

Welcome back to another Happy Hour, Besties! We’re sure as hell glad it’s Friday. In this Happy Hour: Drones, baby! Jamie is still (partially) offline SHRM updates Happy holidays, Besties! �� Heads up, HR Besties! We’ll be off the air for some R&R these weeks: November 25 December 16 December 23 December 30 January 6   We'll be recharging our batteries, gathering fresh ideas and cooking up all-new Business + BS to start 2025 strong! Catch us before and after these dates for the latest laughs and lessons from your HR Besties. Your To-Do List: Grab merch, submit Questions & Comments, and make sure that you’re the first to know about our In-Person Meetings (events!) at https://www.hrbesties.com. Follow your Besties across the socials and check out our resumes here: https://www.hrbesties.com/about.  We look forward to seeing you in our next meeting - don’t worry, we’ll have a hard stop! Yours in Business + Bullsh*t,  Leigh, Jamie & Ashley Follow Bestie Leigh! https://www.tiktok.com/@hrmanifesto https://www.instagram.com/hrmanifesto https://www.hrmanifesto.com Follow Bestie Ashley! https://www.tiktok.com/@managermethod  https://www.instagram.com/managermethod https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyherd/ https://managermethod.com Follow Bestie Jamie! https://www.millennialmisery.com/ Humorous Resources: Instagram • YouTube • Threads • Facebook • X Millennial Misery: Instagram • Threads • Facebook • X Horrendous HR: Instagram • Threads • Facebook Tune in to “HR Besties,” a business, work and management podcast hosted by Leigh Elena Henderson (HRManifesto), Ashley Herd (ManagerMethod) and Jamie Jackson (Humorous_Resources), where we navigate the labyrinth of corporate culture, from cringe corporate speak to toxic leadership. Whether you’re in Human Resources or not, corporate or small business, we offer sneak peeks into surviving work, hiring strategies, and making the employee experience better for all. Tune in for real talk on employee engagement, green flags in the workplace, and how to turn red flags into real change. Don't miss our chats about leadership, career coaching, and takes from work travel and watercooler gossip. Get new episodes every Wednesday and Friday, follow us on socials for the latest updates, and join us at our virtual happy hours to share your HR stories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Happy Friday, besties, and happy holidays. Ho, ho, ho. Jingle bells. Ho, ho, ho. All the ho, ho, ho's are here. Happy holidays. It's Friday. We made it. Our last happy hour of the year. We almost made it into 2025. Can you believe it? Don't jinx us now, you know?

I know, right? I feel like that fucked us up on that. Well, but don't you feel like that sometimes? I'll open my trusted news source of the Daily Mail and I'll see this article and it's like not even the big headline. It'll be like right column down two thirds down the page and it's like, oh, asteroid may hit earth tomorrow. Let's hope. Should I know about this? This seems very nonchalant, but okay. Well, no, because you know what my obsession this week has been? The New Jersey.

Oh my God, I was I was about to call them asteroids. See the drones. Yeah, the drones. UFOs. No. So like in New Jersey, the whole state, like literally there's drones. They have no idea where they're coming from. They are not government.

They're not military. I am fascinated by this and I've never once stepped foot in my life in New Jersey, but I'm fascinated. Really? Never been to New Jersey? No. Oh wait, did you say you've never been to New York? No, you've been to Buffalo. Well, I was born in Buffalo, but no, I've never been to New York City. Redneck Confession, yeah, or New Jersey. But I'm fascinated by it. No one knows what the... And there's like

hundreds of drones. Yeah. I didn't even hear about those. It's fascinating to me. I don't know why. I have let it consume me the last two days. Because it's fascinating. I like a very eldest of the elder millennials learned about it on Facebook from like a former

colleague who posted. And I was like, oh, and he kind of posts some funny, I don't know, conspiracy things. And I'm like, Oh, and then I saw it was like, Oh, gosh, this is real. Like, Yeah, I actually saw it on meme page. And then I went down a deep dive and, and I am not a conspiracist. Like, so I mean, I'm not saying that this is like extraterrestrial or like aliens or so. Yeah, but I just find it fascinating and they have no idea. Well, they also don't think it's like another country. Like they don't, they genuinely have no fucking idea where these drones are coming from,

which is like there's hundreds of them and they can't shoot them down. I was going to ask. They can't shoot one down and then like reverse engineer it back to where it came from. I don't know. Yeah, because I guess the one thing I was listening to this morning was some newscast up there that basically said they can't because of the jurisdiction of where they are. I don't know. And it looks like they're coming off the water. I'm so fascinated by it. What they're in international airspace or something so they can go wherever?

I think. Well, I'll say this. I mean, as a former intern at the Federal Aviation Administration at the FAA. Trusted expert here. Where I got the pleasure of realizing that people do actually smoke in lavatories. And the punishment, I mean, I don't know what it is now. Like 20 years ago when I was in law school.

$2,000 fine. Yeah, oh my god, it would be like $36,000. I mean, it was like very oddly specific amounts. Like it would be like, this one's $36,235. And I would be like, okay. Yeah, one of my friends had to write up, did the same internship the semester after me and had to write up a thing about one of the jackass guy,

I think Steve-O from Jackass. Like, and she had to like, but you've like watched footage and like, oh, that's fun. I guess you don't get paid, but for credit. But I thought I did think about that when you said that. I'm like, oh, that's fun. I guess you don't get paid, but for credit. But I did think about that when you said that, I'm like, oh, the poor, I assume they're not giving this to the intern. But I mean, I've seen like Despicable Me 3 or whatever,

can't they get a net in the sky and just take it? So if someone sues you, then you find out who's it was. Like- Just fly near Topgolf, geez. Right? Right. But like, get the net, like, grew. Right. And then what happens? I think that's why it's so fascinating to me because I am such a logical thinker. I'm like, just shoot it down. Just get a net. Just crash it. Like, another droid into it. Like, why is this a thing? And it's not like they're gonna say Jamie Jackson's droid drone on it. Why do I keep saying droid?

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not like a property of HR Besties podcast, but like, it's like, how are we not how is this not a simple fix? They don't have like the label, like the kids labels, like Mabel's labels or whatever, just hit property up, if found. Oh, it just, I don't know why. It just like, when I saw that meme yesterday and then I went down a rabbit hole, I can't stop.

Why would think for security, they should be able to do something? The Groot solution or the net, I mean something. Yeah, the Groot, yeah, that's again, like ask, so you destroy some random drones that seem very strange in the sky. So ask for forgiveness after you maybe it's vector 100%. Can't you follow them back when they go to charge? Aren't they like Roombas or something? Don't they like go back to where they

came from and then charge and I do not have a Roomba so I could not confer. But you know what I mean? Everything needs charge where they just are they just falling from the sky too and hurting people? Because then that's like once they run out of batteries. No, they're just like creepily hovering. Yeah, just hanging out. It's very strange. And this is two things.

One is it is too late in the year to have this shit going on. Just don't mess with people's heads anymore. We just need some like little peace of mind and peace of airspace, please. But two, leaders of the world just know that people are so fried at this point in time that this is the type of stuff that your people,

this is the only type of thing that your teams have mental capacity for right now. Not a new project. Another end of year finished strong. Like we are finished strong. We will find all the new things we need to find. But that's all we have got really capacity for. Yeah, I'm going on deep dives of that and Luigi. Exactly. You

wouldn't be the only one. I think that is the deepest dive this week on it servers. I guess maybe some people use their personal devices for that as opposed to having it on their company, internet history. Well, gosh, you know, as the youngest in this group, I didn't even see that droid shit, droid, droid, the drone shit, you know? So, but to that point, Jamie had a birthday here

between the last happy hour and this one. I did, it was on Monday of this week. What a shitty day to have a birthday and you work in corporate. I really wanted to do a tick tock on that, like of sitting like on your birthday and like getting a random birthday message and then I got a kudo board opening my kudo board. Well, you could, you can, I mean, you can do that next Monday. People, you know, it's kind of like it's yours.

We have Lee, our youngest is grown up next week. So you will be joining us in the 43 club next week. Oh, grown up never been kissed. Exactly. That's next Tuesday. So another shit day really for a birthday. You know, I think the good ones are what Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, my next one, I think I'll be turning for four in March. I think it's on a Friday or Saturday. I think the good ones are what? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Yeah. My next one, I think I'll be turning four, four in March. I think it's on a Friday or Saturday. I think I hope Friday, because then I get like a Friday and a Saturday. The leap years always jack me up on that stuff. But the whole birthday weekend.

So happy birthday to us, even though it gets overshadowed. Early, Lee, with your international travels, Carmen Sandiego. Yeah. Yeah. Hung, with your international travels, Carmen San Diego. Yeah, yeah. Hung out in Mexico City, had a great time. I actually got sung Happy Birthday 2. I'm going to post that because we took video of it. And they brought fireworks out to the table.

Was not expecting that. When I travel sometimes with friends, we put that it's one another's birthdays because they don't verify that. You know, when I travel, sometimes with friends, we we put that it's one another's birthdays, you know, because they don't verify that. And then they say, No, you don't do that shit to restaurants. That's, that's the theft. No, like if it's in the same month, because we don't get to see each other. You know what I'm saying? You know, so we're meeting, we're converging or whatnot. So even though it was like a week before my birthday, my friend put in the res that it

was my birthday and they came out. It was crazy. We were dying laughing. Obviously we're also intoxicated, but we weren't expecting what they did. We just figured, oh, they'll throw a free cookie or something on the table at the end. No, they did a thing and it was crazy. So I'll post that because it was crazy. So I'll post that because it was it was ridiculous. But yeah, no great

trip, ate a ton. I'm such a foodie. And so I had lots of street food and and so that was good. You did it. Did you wait? Did you post that put that carousel post up already? You did, didn't you? Or was that in your stories that I saw? Yesterday? Yeah, I threw some I threw some stuff up there. Yeah, look at least. Yeah. Look at her. Oh my god, the pictures are shared some stories. I don't know if you all saw them or not. But you know, we had a big drag party. Like our first night there at all man stayed up late, you know, singing

and all this. I lost my voice. The next day. Man, my throat was killing me because I was doing all the sing alongs and shit. But that was really cool. That was really neat. Had so much fun. Made so many new friends in Mexico City. Like legit, you know? Like so, like we're on the WhatsApp together

and all of that. So we had fun. We had a lot of fun. Late night talk with people. What'd you name that WhatsApp group? Do you have a name for it? No, no. I'm just saying, you. Late night talk with people. What did you name that WhatsApp group? Do you have a name for it? No, no.

I'm just saying, you know, actually connected with people is what I mean. Like a human being, I made friends. I'm not used to doing that when I'm out. I was meant to say that was very extrovert of you. It was. Well, once I'm drinking, then like I'm friends with everybody. But it was neat. You know, I walked in and I have some people that follow me in Mexico

City and it was really cute. And so, you know, I was noticed a few times and that was neat and they were all excited and shit. And so that was that was neat. So made some real friends, you know, from people that knew me followers and whatnot. So I felt cozy, you know, with the familia there. Jamie, do you use WhatsApp? I don't even know. I don't. And I don't even know what that is.

Should I? Everyone but the US really uses WhatsApp. Yes. Not everyone has iPhones. Oh, okay. That's right. I have it for like, we actually have it for like a parents group. Oh, really? But I turn off notifications. We have a family one of them.

I turn off notifications. I don't like notifications. And so I'll go and check it. Sometimes it takes weeks in between. So I'm like responding to something two and a half weeks later. But I use it with my friend who I worked with at McKinsey, who's from Malaysia. She neither of us are there anymore.

But I WhatsApp with her. But that's I just. WhatsApp is Facebook text messages. Oh, OK. OK. Like metas, metas, metas text messages, you know? Well, that's, I just. WhatsApp is Facebook text messages. Oh, okay, okay. Like Meta's text messages, you know? Well, that's my question. Well, that's my thing. I realized this week when like Meta was down Wednesday,

I didn't realize, like I saw people like, and WhatsApp too, I didn't realize Meta owns WhatsApp. Is that like a common, does everybody know that? So do I maybe have a WhatsApp account and don't even know it? No, you'd have to sign up. It's just with your phone number. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, phone number or like email. I don't know.

I am so dreading groceries this week. Why? You can skip it. Oh, what? Just like that? Just like that. How about dinner with my third cousin? Skip it. Prince Fluffy's favorite treats? Skippable. Mid third cousin? Skip it. Prince Fluffy's favorite treats? Skippable.

Midnight snacks? Skip. My neighbor's nightly saxophone practices. Uh, nope, you're on your own there. Coulda skipped it? Shoulda skipped it. Skip to the good part and get groceries, meals, and more delivered right to your door on Skip.

And guys, I have an update. And this is all thanks to my husband, Josh, door on skip. I'm not sure if I'm gonna get that back to be honest. It might be, yeah. I might be so fucked on that, which sucks, but at least I got humorous and millennial and parody. I was able to get back into parody parody. That's parody parent. I mean, like Jamie uses these things like code words so you can go to- Well, it's just easier than saying- Any of her profiles.

Yeah, so- I know that sounds so cool. I know when I was going to tag you on your birthday, I'm like, this one, this one, she's not she's not Quinn Tuplets. She's one person but has a lot of profiles. So no. And so what I did was I had grabbed the username humorous misery media a while ago on because that is the name of my actual company. And so I might try to convert that kind of with my own videos as chief meme officer. It was really, I don't have anything attached to it. I just did it more to save my screen name really.

And so I'm, I feel kind of fucked, which is sad because I spent years building that up, but that's okay. It is what it is, you know? Well, and now we might lose TikTok. I mean, good Lord. The drama on the social spaces. I need to stop DMing you shit to Chief Mima. You're not getting it.

Yeah, don't, because I haven't been able to see it since December 1st. Well, that's there's probably an engineer at Metta that's laughing about it right now. I know. Like you dumb bitch. Yeah. So that's like, these are funny. Keep sending these to our manifesto. I don, like you dumb bitch. Yeah. So that's like, these are funny. Keep sending these HR manifesto. I don't think the TikTok ban will take effect. I just don't think it will. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm not worried about it. I also, I'm like, okay, well there's Instagram. I hope we don't get there. Cause that's one thing I like about TikTok is like, there truly is different humor. Yeah, it's totally different. On TikTok. And so if you're like an OG Instagram stan,

the humor is different on TikTok and it's quirky and it's fun and it's free and we're non-judgmental over there, which I could do something on TikTok and it could be a huge success. And I bring it over on Instagram and it flops. So it's just, it's, I will miss that piece of it. It's just feeling free almost. I love how it's only okay for American companies to steal your info. Yeah.

That's really what's going on, right? I mean, like, that's the American, that's a patriotic thing. Right. Yeah. You know, but yeah, it's crazy. Let's hope it doesn't go anywhere. No, it's like everything. It's like, you know, in the year of the non-coupi ban, the exempt salary increase, it didn't happen.

I don't believe anything will actually happen. So I just keep plodding along. And oh, here we are. But speaking of lawsuits, you ladies have an update. We do. Lee has a reservation for us in Denver, literally. I know. I think of the details like that.

Ashley, what's happening? So we've talked about the SHRM. So again, this is a racial discrimination lawsuit against SHRM that was brought by a former employee. And from the legal why this is notable, it's in federal court in Denver. And from a procedural standpoint, it's in federal court in Denver. And from a procedural standpoint, it's scheduled to go to trial. And oftentimes you hear about people like,

see you in court, and that almost never happens because especially in the employment law context, like things get settled or whatever, or you get what's called summary judgment, which is where judge is like, yeah, even if you're saying everything you're saying is true, like you still lose, in part because employment laws in the US are so heavily slanted in favor

of employers as opposed to employees, which is very different to our global audience than the rest of the world. Also, yes, there are a lot more lawsuits, I think statistically, it seems like it in the US than the rest of the world. But in Shurm, so the judge there, we talked about this. So if you're like, what are you talking about? Google or no look at, go to the apple podcast and look at shurm HR besties and that should pop up. But, and we'll post it in our stories. But so the judge there sent is sending this case to trial. That's like what the plaintiff has alleged and everything

that came out discovery, which means like documents, internal emails, deposition testimony, all of these things that what the plaintiff is alleging could have a potential case and also could potentially get punitive damages, which means like more than just like a nominal amount. And this is virtually unheard of against any employer, especially SHRM, which is the Society for Human Resource Management that puts itself out there. It's like best practices we advise. And so the judge had sent this case to trial. And so also people are like, can they appeal? The way these tend to work is you can appeal, but you can only appeal like SHRM can only appeal after trial generally. And I haven't heard of any exceptions here. And so this week was the pre-trial conference. I know I did not go to Denver

for that because those are like web-based and unlike some of the court hearings for like the exempt salary thing I didn't call the clerk to get to get in because those tend to be more private it doesn't tend to be as public. But they had what's called a pretrial conference and so why that's interesting is like I tell people all the time and sometimes in HR, like this is a very, very helpful one for those of you in HR that are actually trying to influence the right thing. And often are like, how do I do that?

Woo, go look at the Shurm lawsuit because all of these people had to sit for long ass depositions, it costs a lot of money. It's very embarrassing. The emails that came out, make numerous at SHRM look like assholes and so, and like not following their own best practices on their website. And so now this is potentially for the world or especially the HR besties world to see because it was scheduled for trial next July, like I think July 21st through 25th.

They're estimating a five day trial. So hopefully, Leah, you booked that all week. I did, Sunday through Saturday. But also, there we go. We'll go to like Vale, get some fresh air, get some mountain air. There's good breweries in Denver. We'll do some meetups.

We'll FaceTime Jamie in. But what happens so there's a pretrial conference with the judge, but also the parties have to get together and do these pretrial orders. And those of you that haven't ever experienced this, you're lucky. But these are always kind of funny to me because I know what it's like of like Sherm's lawyers and then this employees lawyers trying to like, what can we agree on for this and what's our position? And so it's like a Broadway show equivalent

of like the plaintiff's version of the events and the defendant's sherms version of the events. And they're quite different, but they also have to list things like potential witnesses. And can you guess someone that the employee has listed as a potential witness that they will call for the lawsuit? Here's Johnny. Johnny C. Taylor, the CEO of Shurm, who was on the shortlist to be secretary of

labor, but did not get that position. So we'll see if he gets anything else in the incoming administration, but that would generally not absolve him from his, if, if, you know, they end up calling him and all the things, but so that was notable. Also notable as you have to say, like settlement. And so they say like the parties had had a settlement telephone conference in late November that was not successful. But there is at least you know, a low but like a low possibility of settlement. So anybody so these like documents you get have some information in them. So anyway,

notably cases scheduled for trial in July, the only way it won't happen is if they settle, which I could totally see. But it sounds like that dollar amount is going to be high. I feel as though it's a principal thing. Like the employer, ex-employee is like, no, I want this to go. I want this. I want people to hear about this. I want people to see what this organization really is about

and what it was up to, you know what I mean? Which I hope they stay strong, you know, just go through with it. And if you read, I mean, if you read the federal judges order, it is so savage. It was so savage. That was one that I think it started with like, this is a messy employment discrimination case.

And what tends to happen, and again, like I, I'm not a lawyer for any of the parties, that's why I'm talking about this. I don't know any of them. But what tends to happen in these that's interesting is I'm curious if SHRM has employment practices liability insurance. Because what that is, is insurance that employers can get

that basically insures against cases like this. And so what can happen is, you know, shurm might pay a deductible, like I'm sure they've exceeded it with their legal fees already, but now you have an insurer in play. And so you have a couple of parties. You have like the employee that's like,

well, I have this judge's order that's like gold on a plate of like how savage it was. Also, when you go to court, I've sat through mock juries. They are a terrifying experience for an employer that's about the way people talk about you. And often juries are in favor of that employee and their experience. And then also, but then you may have sherm that's like, no, we want to clear our name. And the insurers, like, I don't think so. You need to, we're going to settle this for millions and millions of dollars. So those are all the conversations that are likely happening again, depending on.

Yeah. So it's, it's super complex. So again, that's like, I have gotten some messages, like I'm always, I know I'm like, I'll be able to stop like the legal stuff, especially on a Friday happy hour. But we had, I got a number of messages from people that are like, oh, it was interesting to hear that one broken down. And again, this is not a lawsuit podcast, sadly, but but that is a really instructive one. You can go back and listen. And I've done like a YouTube on it, like breaking down lessons for all employers. But anyway, Lee and I will be there if it does go to trial. I hope it goes through. Yes, unfortunately, I have a real job that requires me to take PTO. So I will not be there. Also, it is my husband's and son's birthday.

So if y'all are wondering. We'll represent. I see I'm the boss of my own company. So I request it. Yeah, you kind of have the flexibility to make your own schedule unlike me. I'm gonna make a LinkedIn post, which is one of those holding up the whiteboard sayings

that you see all the time lately that's like. Oh my God, yes, that anyone can doctor things I don't want to hear my employees say, like, tell me, ask me to take time off. Just take it. You're an adult. Did I miss anything? Like, oh my God, how many lights, how much love can I get? I know I'm like, I'm like, yeah, but except that is not how it works at all. Right? Well, I'm glad it has a low probability of canceling. So I checked the docket. I checked it. I checked it again, as we were talking through the happy hours, checking, checking it as as you do on your phone underneath the table. Some people check sports

scores. I checked the federal pace or court docket. That's we all have our journeys. All right, we're crossing fingers. And I'm tracking New Jersey. What am I tracking? What are you tracking? I don't know, nothing. I'm all nothing at the moment.

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I did see that Yes Madam story. It was all over LinkedIn, wasn't it? Crazy shit right there. That's where I found it first. Oh, really? Was LinkedIn, yeah. it? Crazy shit right there. That's where I found it first. Oh, really? It was LinkedIn, yeah. Who wants to do a quick overview? Basically, Yes But M came out earlier this week with a post.

Well, it looked like it was a screenshot of an email that they were essentially letting several people go because they sent out a survey to their staff stating that, basically asking how stressed or burnt out they were. And so, yes, madam, we're trying to be cheeky and said, anyone who responded that they were stressed and their job is high stress, that they let go. Well, of course, every HR professional on LinkedIn was fucking furious, including myself.

And I almost did a TikTok on it. And I was like, I just, I don't know, there was something in my stomach that I was like, I'm not doing it. I don't even want to bring any more attention to them, was really in my head. Well, the next fucking day, it was a social experiment. So they say, some people are still like,

I don't believe them. Yeah, so they say some people are still like I don't I don't I don't believe them. Yeah so they say yeah. Do we know if anyone legit got terminated? They say nobody did but they're like but they're like I also we're gonna give some stress leave they're like but the big like thing is we're now announcing our product offering called like healthy to heal or something like that that means that's because they're a home salon and spa, that we'll come to workplaces to give massages and blowouts to relieve stress at your company.

And so it's really like, so either one, they did this and they're walking it back, or as they say, which is probably more likely, this was all just one big advertisement for their new product offering that was absolutely bad shit. Yeah, it's terrible, sorry. I mean, we're talking about it, so I guess it did work. Well, I'm talking about it and saying,

like, I'd made an original video about this because I kept getting tagged in it, and sometimes I still don't, but I'm like, the fuck is this? And so, also I called it Hey Madam on accident. I guess I said, my bad, I'm human. Someone's like responded, was like, Hey Madam should sue you.

I don't think that's a real company. If it is, it's probably like, I don't know, an OnlyFans, I'm gonna assume. And like, this is why people don't wanna make a pose because you do it, like, oh, sorry. Like, you know, getting ready to head out on a trip, accidentally said the wrong word. This is what you're at risk of suing, whatever.

Anyway, I don't think Hey Madam Adams, the company, but, um, but then when I saw that and like, my point is like, what, I would never, if I were going to hire any massage company to come into my office in the world, which is a whole nother topic. No, I wouldn't have them. That's loony tunes. And like, it's weird. Yeah. That's why that's not a marketing thing. That was just the making shit up to save face because they weren't expecting that email

to leak. Or something. All of it is very shady. Doesn't sit well with me no matter how the cookie crumbles. But let me ask you this. Have you, this is brought up like another topic, like as I said in this video, workplace stress because also as I'd looked into it, my initial video I'd looked into, and yes madam on their LinkedIn,

like three months ago they did this post starting with mourn days, saying that on Mondays to bring everyone up, they have a meeting where you're not allowed to talk about work. And that's something that they do to bring happiness to the workplace, is have a meeting where you can't talk about work.

You can talk about anything else, just not work. And already, and that was like a real post. That's weird. Just give people the time back. God. Just don't have meeting Mondays. No meeting Mondays. Come in later. Right. But like, like I said, like, let's say you're like, okay, kind of stressed about something and you come in, your manager and they're like, shh. Yeah. Save it for 1045. Like we're talking about, you know, whatever. Yeah, No, thanks. That's weird This is my question is but I've made another video and I was like you don't solve employees stress By having people get touched at work by third parties or otherwise like a massage and or a blowout is not going to

Like is window dressing often at best would you all get a massage in the workplace? No. Yes often at best. Would you all get a massage in the workplace? No. Yes. At work in the conference room? Yeah and they turn the lights off and it's private and they bring the real beds in like it's nice. Like take off your shirt? Massage? No you typically leave your clothes on. Also with band confession I've never had a massage. What? Okay, I've had hundreds probably. I really like massages. So I know how expensive those are. So I think that that's a luxury for me at work. But you do keep your clothes on though.

But on a number of occasions, I've gotten a massage. But when I get a massage and I leave, I wanna go home. I don't think I wanna go back to my cube or my office or have somebody be like, how did that work? Yeah, have somebody be like, yeah, be in front of Jim from IT and being like, how was it? I don't know, what has a chip can I use that's not going to get me written up?

I get it. I get the idea of perks, and I think some of that can be nice. I'm more in favor of a gift card to go get a massage at an actual spa on your own time, not with a variety of colleagues you like and don't. Yeah, or let me off work early, but pay me for the whole day to go get one or something. I don't know.

Massage Mondays. Yeah. We did that once, my husband Dan once, this was like 15 years ago, and I still remember it, still talking about it. He worked at a company and he'd done something like, like something short term, it was like a short term kind of thing and had worked.

He like created something new and his boss got us, like it was a night, what then was like, like Mandarin Oriental, Atlanta, or actually it used to be something else, but so it was like a nice, nice hotel. I'd never stayed at a hotel like that. So it was like a night at the hotel and a couples massage. And it was like, it was in let him off early.

And so like, you know, it was so nice. It was like, like let him have a half day, came and picked me up. Only qualm is Dan likes to chit chat during a couples massage. Oh. You didn't tell him just shut the fuck up. I think I just I think I stopped talking. And so I think after

10 years, I don't you know, I mean, obviously, we have a podcast, I like to chat. Not during I like a quiet massage. So I, yeah, so I still that's funny, though. But yeah, I mean, it's a I think it's a nice perk, depending on what your business is if it means something to your workforce, right, depending on what what it is. But I mean, it would just be a bandaid if you have real issues. You know what I mean? Like tackle those first, that shits icing, you know, that's not a real solution to conquer stress in the workplace, you know? Go get a massage and then you come back to a fricking dumpster fire, you know? Yeah, like your manager's like, when will you be back?

When will you be out of there? Like, oh God, I'm getting tense. Or getting team chats, like don't. I know. You feel so tense, I wonder why. I had my like, I got my ass chewed out right before this, but I didn't want to cancel because I'll get fined on my paycheck

if I don't show up per the policy. Yeah, conferences will offer that and I like that. get fined on my paycheck if I don't show up per the policy. Yeah. Conferences will offer that and I like that. I take advantage when conferences offer massages. No, no, no. I saw that at a conference we attended this year. And I saw it in the middle of the conference hall and they had the airport type. That wasn't with the conference though.

Yeah, it's like a vendor. That's just a vendor that's always there. You know what I mean? But it was a vendor, but I don't, I don't think I want people seeing me with my head through the massage. I just don't wanna be touched. Like, don't touch me.

I don't know. Says the person who's calling her spouse, daddy god for a week. But okay. Not just everybody. Well, that has nothing to do with that. By a week, but okay. You can give it. Well, that has nothing to do with stopping. By a stranger, but okay. Right, I know.

Make it make sense, but okay. I gotcha, I gotcha. Oh man. Good times with holiday stress. And you know, there's people listening to this that are like, oh shit, the massage people are coming in today. You know what I mean?

How do we feel about this, you know? Just ask, get off of it, but ask your teams afterwards, hey, would you rather have us do this here again? Or would you rather, what do you think? Would you rather go to a spout site? You know, it's probably going to cost you five times more to get gift certificates for actual spas, but you know, get what you pay for. You got to do a little bit of everything.

Everyone's different, you know. Oh, on that note, this is our last happy hour of the year. And really last happy hour, just FYI, y'all, we're going to go ad hoc next year. So if something special is going on or guest or you name it, whatever, then we'll throw a Friday on there. Otherwise, we'll be focused on high quality Wednesday content, you know, our meeting content, right? So, Oh, it's been a busy year, hasn't it? It has.

It's been a big year. It's been a big year for, for all of us. You launched your own, went out on your own this year, Lee. Jamie got your new role this year. It's about it. Damn. Lots of social stuff. Stop. about it. Lots of social stuff, lots of social stuff, lots of social stuff, more to come next year, you know, so we're excited to continue HR besties in the next year. And we start filming

again in early January so that we can kick off the second week of January, right? As I was saying, let me let me double check the date. You know, we like to be clear. So you'll still get episodes pretty much every Wednesday and then periodically as things happen. But some of it is, you know, we wanna make sure we're bringing that quality content. So-

The 15th, I think. Yeah, 15th. Yeah, Wednesday the 15th. But so in the meantime, you can listen to episodes. We'll still be posting over the holidays on social, some of our favorites and you can follow us all on our own respective socials. We'll be posting some, some of that stuff. But yeah, we can't wait for 2025. I know. New year, new us, right? See y'all next year. Literally. Happy holidays.

Jingle, jingle. The what? Sound like it.