HR BESTIES - HR Besties Happy Hour: Glamping and Noncompete Updates

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

Welcome back to another Happy Hour, Besties! We’re sure as hell glad it’s Friday. In this Happy Hour: So, Jamie slept in a tent last weekend… Being anti-big soap Ashley’s fangirl road trip Updates on the FTC noncompete ban Your To-Do List: Grab merch, submit Questions & Comments, and make sure that you’re the first to know about our In-Person Meetings (events!) at https://www.hrbesties.com. Follow your Besties across the socials and check out our resumes here: https://www.hrbesties.com/about.  We look forward to seeing you in our next meeting - don’t worry, we’ll have a hard stop! Yours in Business + Bullsh*t,  Leigh, Jamie & Ashley Follow Bestie Leigh! https://www.tiktok.com/@hrmanifesto https://www.instagram.com/hrmanifesto https://www.hrmanifesto.com Follow Bestie Ashley! https://www.tiktok.com/@managermethod  https://www.instagram.com/managermethod https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyherd/ https://managermethod.com Follow Bestie Jamie! https://www.millennialmisery.com/ Humorous Resources: Instagram • YouTube • Threads • Facebook • X Millennial Misery: Instagram • Threads • Facebook • X Horrendous HR: Instagram • Threads • Facebook Tune in to “HR Besties,” a business, work and management podcast hosted by Leigh Elena Henderson (HRManifesto), Ashley Herd (ManagerMethod) and Jamie Jackson (Humorous_Resources), where we navigate the labyrinth of corporate culture, from cringe corporate speak to toxic leadership. Whether you’re in Human Resources or not, corporate or small business, we offer sneak peeks into surviving work, hiring strategies, and making the employee experience better for all. Tune in for real talk on employee engagement, green flags in the workplace, and how to turn red flags into real change. Don't miss our chats about leadership, career coaching, and takes from work travel and watercooler gossip. Get new episodes every Wednesday and Friday, follow us on socials for the latest updates, and join us at our virtual happy hours to share your HR stories. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Happy Friday, besties. Woohoo. Ow, we made it. Welcome. Welcome to Friday. How are we feeling? Exhausted. I'm a little under the weather, so I probably sound stuffy.

Oh, you do. It's been a week. It's been a week, y'all. It's been a week. You got that fall, that kind of like where you bring the little little small Kleenex pack with you everywhere on the trail as you go. I don't know if this is from like sleeping in a tent last weekend or I'm not sure what it's from or my kids, you know. So you slept in a tent last weekend.

I did. I did. I survived and I posted some photos on HR Besties Stories and I peed a couple times in basically an outhouse in a camping toilet and then I had to remove my pee bag. And then I showered in an outdoor shower. And that was, you know, all of it wasn't terrible except the outdoor shower, because it was the water never got warm. And it was very cold out. So it was it was miserable. I like I like rinsed off my naughty bits and said we're good to go. Like I don't I don't want to do anything else. I just want to get out. Why did you do that?

Why did you take a shower? Are you one of those people that obsessively take a shower? Oh, I would adjust. Not obsessively, but I just felt gross because we had been at the game and we were sweaty and we had walked. And I just wanted to rinse off, really, because I knew we were getting in the car and going home. I could take a shower at home. But I just wanted to like rinse off really because I knew like we were getting in the car going home

I could take a shower at home, but like I just wanted to rinse off and it was It was an experience that I hope that I did it for the gram. Yeah Well, I'd have to say the worst part is like when you're sticking your hand under the water and like Hope hoping hoping that it's gonna get warm at some point and it just doesn't. In my mind, what I might have done, I definitely would not have taken the outdoor shower, but I might have looked up on the map and been like, is there a red roof on the way from Knoxville back to Nashville area to stop and go in and take a shower? I might have done that.

How long is the drive? It's like a two and a half, three hour drive. Oh, no, never mind. I would have waited till I got home. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I literally rinsed off. It was maybe, I was maybe in there three minutes. Like, it was enough for my husband to snap a photo of me and my shower cap. That was a cute photo. Like, and now, and I was like, okay, I'm freezing. I can't do this.

Nothing like a cold shower on a crisp fall morning. And now, and I was like, okay, I'm freezing. I can't do this. Nothing like a cold shower on a crisp fall morning. Oh my God. I will say, I will say that we, and again, we're not going to get, we will be a bit of a respite from some of the political podcasts, but one fact that stuck with me this week in all these nominations, because this is the period that it's like, it's kind of like the new CEO comes into the company and is bringing all of their people, all of their people with them. And like, everyone's kind of like, Oh, do I dust up my resume? What do I do? But the nominee for Secretary of Defense, Pete, I

can't remember his last name, but how he had said a few years ago, and I sent this to the girls because I can't get this out of my mind. When he was like, oh, look, he's a host on Fox and Friends, and he's like, I'm going to start saying the stuff on air that I say off air. And I think the first thing he chose to say was, I haven't washed my hands in 10 years. He's like, germs, I can't see them. So they're not real. And again, I hope he was joking on that. I hope so too.

That's disgusting. But it reminded me back to one of our first episodes, which was the leaders that go to the bathroom and bring binders, binders with them into the bathroom, materials and stuff, and then are coming out talking to you. And you're kind of like wiggling. I'm like, oh, no need to touch. How weird to be anti-big soap. That's all I'm like, I don't know, no need to touch. But how weird to be anti big soap. That's all I'm thinking about. There's big oil. There's oh, but big soap.

But you know, like I remember a lot of that too, like during COVID where people are like saying like, I don't wash my hands that much. I'll be fine. That is I mean, you do you boo. I mean, I don't want to touch you or shake your hand. But also, like, I want to go back to not people shaking people's hands. Like remember, during COVID, we would like, do fist bumps or like a little touches. Like, we could just go back to that because some people are really gross. And look, I'm not a germaphobe. Like I'm really not. But ooh. Clearly not. You took a cold shower and used a potty bag. But I just can't believe the

cold showers worse than the potty bag. Well, I also laugh because I'm like, I'm sure there are listeners that are like, y'all are such weenies. Like what do you think happens when you go camping? And I mean, the answer is that you can, I could have, I have camped, but like, you know, in the pitch of black, you're a number of drinks in, you just hide behind a tree, hope nobody's around and go quickly. But I wouldn't be able to wrap, I don't want to pee into a bag and like tie it and tie it together.

I don't need to see that. Yeah. I mean, I, um, I guess because I had kids, you know what I mean? Like I have, I had to change diapers and add like shit on my hands. Also I've worked in HR. That like changing the potty bag wasn't a big deal for me. Now if I had pooped, I could have done that. Like I would have had to walk down to the barn and use the real bathroom for that.

And the barn was like quite the hall. Yes. So the barn had real bathrooms. And the outdoor shower was on the barn, not in it. Oh. Oh, it's a bougie barn. But when I say a real bathroom, it just had a toilet and a sink. It didn't have a shower. And it was just a toilet and a sink.

Yeah. And so the barn, they use it for weddings and stuff. So we're lucky there wasn't a wedding the night we were there, because otherwise it would have been closed. Wow. Yeah, see, I'm just not into cold showers. Yeah. I bathe in lava.

Yeah, same. I turn the thing all the way to the. Same, same. Yeah. I'm the same, but at the end of it, I'd heard very similarly. I think I may have mentioned previously, I went to the clinic but at the end of it, I'd heard very similarly, I think I may have mentioned previously, like I went to the Clinique counter when I was 14, 15, and the woman there told me that when you put on your foundation, you rub it really fast in your hands, like

heat it up like you're making a fire. And so I have done that for now almost 30 years. So when I'm putting on foundation, I like, I basically make like a hot basically make a fire and put it on my face and spread it around because Denise at Clinique, at Bacon's, whatever, taught me that in Louisville so many years ago. But the same is that sometimes someone had told me at the end of a shower, if you do do a cold splash to your hair and to your face, it's great. And so I will get myself all hyped up because because the same it is like a burning hot lava

And then I flip it and I duck into it and dance and dance around and shake around and host Sorry for these visuals, but like I do that and I that's that's my that's the fundamentals of my routine It's so it's similar to like the D and the B and C the bear Dove and Botox we talked about last week. Yeah, that's my that's my Dove and Botox we talked about last week. Yeah, that's my shake and cold shake and hot fire foundation. It's good to end with cold water though, because the hair shaft closes, correct. So then, and it is true.

So your hair maintains moisture and it looks shiny and it gets less frizzy. So that's a hairstylist trick there. Plus, yeah, you get a little woken up at the end of the shower. That's helpful too. Want to become up to 50% wealthier? Paying $0 in management fees

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The pee bag collection and all of that. I had to wake up twice in the middle of the night too, to pee, because I drank so much beer at the game. And so each time, like I woke up Josh, so he knew like if he rolled over, I wasn't in the tent. I was like, Josh, I have to be. Well, because like, no, because like, I don't want him to think like, a bear got me or coyote or something. Yeah, yeah, they love the woods.

I will tell you, I had a delightful weekend in Chattanooga. I had, you know, we were talking about like last week seemed like it took it was like a month in a week or whatever. But yeah, I did my road trip to Chattanooga to go see Becky Robinson entitled Housewife. We got a lot of DMs on besties that were like Scott. And so if you know, you know, she's so good. And we got to meet her at the meet and greet. Her show is so good. Like, again, like not sponsored anything like that. But she is Becky Robinson show the she gone she gone tour. It was such good that. But she is, Becky Robinson showed the She Gone Tour. It was such good comedy. And she's like herself for the first chunk of the show.

Then she goes and changes into this character. And it was like, we were second row. We're like, everyone's like high-fiving. But I told the girls I was at dinner beforehand and people had like, everyone was dressed up with like visors all over, you know, all over town and there aren't that many restaurants. And so it was like, you saw a lot. But walking by the bar, I saw one of my friends from Dunwoody or like, you know, like a not close friend, like we are Facebook friends. So a friendly person from Dunwoody. And I was like, oh, like, but I laughed because, but I recognized her due to her, to her partner who I'd never

met in person, but had only seen on social media. And so I saw her first and I was like, oh my God. But then I was like, wait, I don't know her. So then I turned around and was like, no, it is. It's my friend. So then I went back and so we were laughing. I hadn't seen her in a while.

So. Isn't it funny how you do think you know someone though that you've seen on social? Yeah. Like when you see them out and about, like it's, I mean that happens, you know? Cause you're just so used to seeing their face. Oh my God, like somebody was like, oh my God, they saw, they were somewhere and they're like, saw my daughter and like we were like Facebook friends.

And she's like, I have never met your daughter. She's like, I went up and knew like every, like it was like, oh my God, like all these things. I've done that. I hope I wasn't a creeper. And I was laughing so hard. She's like, I was like, no, she's, all these things. I've done that. I hope I wasn't a creeper. And I was laughing so hard. I was like, no, she's used to that. Didn't you do that to that lady in Walmart, Jamie?

Remember you did that to that? Yeah. Yes. And she was so fucking creeped out. And then I felt the need to show her that I also have social media pages. And yeah, I've done that several times. Like, yeah, I just want to say hi.

It's so hard to think. Like, my two, so we had, so we had bought, I bought these tickets and they came with the meet and greet because we were like close to the stage. And again, I'm like, if you remember where I went to the ERAs tour, Taylor Swift, I was two rows from the top. Like, I'm not normally an upfront kind of person. So I was very excited to the stage. And again, I'm like, if you remember, I went to the Arrows Tour, Taylor Swift, I was two rows from the top. I'm not normally an upfront kind of person, so I was very excited to get these.

These were within my budget. But my two friends were like, let me ask you a question. They're like, what do you say in a meet and greet? And I'm like, they're like, will you do the talking? They're like, I don't know what you possibly say. And it is a good point, because as I mentioned when I met Beyoncé, I had to think about what to say to her. And I think to think about what to say to her. And I think what I'm going to say is good.

Profound. Memorable. So I kind of fucked it up a bit with Becky Robinson in that we were so excited and we did some posing and things like that. One, we're both kicking our legs in the air. You will not see that unfiltered on my stories because I did have a skort on kind of underneath, but it was... Anyway, we won't need to put that out there. But I had to think of something to say to her,

and she's so funny, but I was hoping to bring some sort of recognition. So I said, I comment on your post sometimes. You carried a watermelon. You carried a watermelon. Oh, man. Yeah, she goes, okay. And then I didn't even have it in me to then do the like, let me show, like, I wasn't like, let me show you my social. Just I comment on your post sometimes, like, what a fucking dork.

Oh, man, that's funny. I love that for you. I've seen you on the internet. I'm here tonight to see you. I take your money. Take your money. Cringe. So I'm never going to talk again.

I'm never going to talk again, although I probably will. Oh, my God. That's a good one there. I love that. So someone's welcome. So if you see us and you just don't know what to say, I will never judge anybody for saying anything. I just get excited if I ever get recognized.

But you can say whatever you want. There's no such thing as a dumb comment except for I see you on the internet. Hello, work. Oh, man. See, listen, how socially awkward we are now. Like it's hard to make friends. Like it's hard to talk to people now. And it seems like it's harder. I don't know why, you know, like this work. We all just got weird and hit the leave button at any time on our chats. If I say something awkward, I can get out of there. When you're in real person, put your hands over my face and pretend that they can't see me anymore.

Exactly. Oh my God. I comment on your posts sometimes. That's so cute. Oh man. Well, fangirling's fun. Anything going on in the world of HR? Yeah, well, we got this, some news on the non-compete ban.

Yeah, yes. So I was, you know, the non-compete ban I've talked about, that, like a phoenix keeps rising up from the ashes. So if you'll remember, it was supposed to take effect September. It did not get struck down in court. But they got struck down in district court. And what can happen is a party can be like, I disagree and they appeal. And that's what happened. So there were three cases, two times the non-compete ban got struck down in Florida and Texas.

And then in one in Pennsylvania, it actually got upheld by the judge. But then that party was like, wait, what? This like little tree company, if you remember me talking about the tree, oh my God, I was reading through these spiraling and I was chuckling because they're like, hey, I hear you. Thanks for your time and attention to this. But it did get struck down in Texas. So let's just hold off on everything.

Like I know you're in favor of this, but let's hold off on everything and let this judge and the judge in Pennsylvania is like, I don't think so. Like I will, we'll go ahead and you can keep rolling this out. I've already rolled against you again. You have to imagine they probably will continue to do so. And the ATS Tree Service is like, but, but finally they're like, dismiss the case. They're like, well, we're going to stop challenging it here. We're going to, we're going to let Texas, Texas roll.

So that's what happened in that one. But for the best, getting smacked down in court. But both of the district court cases are getting appealed to the courts of appeal. And I've said the path to that, no matter what happens, is potentially ultimately the Supreme Court, which seems unlikely to reinstate the ban. But speaking of appointments, this week, newly re-elected President Trump,

I don't know if that's the official title. I'll have to see what you call him on the holiday card, I guess. But he said he's going to nominate Matt Gaetz, Congressman from Florida, as attorney general. And that has gotten a lot of news for a lot of reasons. But one thing that I was like, wait, what? He's like he's in favor of the non-capite ban.

And why that's unusual is that the non-capite ban is pretty partisan. So the FTC issued this rule because President Biden told them to by executive order, like an announcement or an executive order two plus three years ago. And so it's very much a partisan issue. So it's incredibly rare for any Republican to come out in favor of it, of the ban. But Matt Gaetz not only had retweeted it, the FTC,

back when it happened, but he filed this court briefing called the amicus brief. Like only one member of Congress did that, and that was Matt Gaetz, who was so passionately in favor of the non-compete ban. And why that matters is now the government agency that leads all these appeals in court is the Department of Justice, which he would be the leader of. And so many people, including personally me, had expected, you know, when President Trump becomes President Trump again in January, that he would be like, either drop the appeal

or whatever. And so now it'll be interesting to see what happens. Like any leader and subordinate, if Matt Gaetz is so passionately for the non-compete band as he continue pushing this in court, what will President Trump's position be on it? And so it's like, it breathed some new life into the potential for the non-capite ban. I still don't know that it changes anything, but it was like very, you know, very, very surprising. So yeah, so I've been tracking that and then the exempt salary as well, which the exempt salary, the increase is supposed to take effect January 1st, the DOL exempt salary as well, which the exempt salary, the increase is supposed to take effect January 1st.

The DOL exempt salary, it's a big jump from about 44K to about 59K. There's a federal court hearing in Texas on Friday. I listened to the whole thing, walking around with AirPods, taking notes. So hopefully there's not as well. Maybe there'll be a decision by the time the happy hour comes out. But I believe it took a- Is this the one you called? I did. This is what I called the judge. I called the clerk. I called straight to the judges, not the chambers, but the clerk because they issued this hearing. And I was like,

oh, I'd love to participate. Because I told Lee, I was like, I would go and watch these arguments. I'm coming to Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, OK. I'll sign up there. Right. Then the clerk's like, we'll have a listen only phone number. You can't record it or anything like that.

But I listened to it and transcribed it and was like, but I will say the lawyer for the Department of Labor, who I think is going to lose, or she's the Department of Justice attorney, I personally expect that it's going to lose. Or she's the Department of Justice attorney. I personally expect that it's going to get struck down, but I'm watching it. So please don't just solely rely on me. But I thought you would. But she's like a 33-year-old lawyer.

And I tell you what, she was like taking punch after punch. Like what they issue after this hearing is called the minutes. It's like how long everybody spoke. She spoke for the vast majority of it. And by speak, I mean answering questions from the judge. And his, I mean, he's like, I mean, his questioning was like all, you know, stuff that needs to be asked, I guess.

But it was like, basically like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And she just, she kept on going. And so despite everything, I like, you love to see someone like really perform well under pressure, especially like young, especially young female attorney. I think afterwards I used to get nervous for one-on-ones with my boss at 33 years old, let alone to be in front of a judge where I know somebody with a business and bullshit podcast and a million other, well, probably like 25 other people are listening to it. So anyway,

so I'm just, just doing my journalistic things here. Uh-huh. Hoping to go to Denver. You're just warming up for Denver is all. The big sherm trial. Bumble knows it's hard to start conversations. Hey. No, too basic. Hi there. Still no. What about, hello handsome? Ugh, who knew you could give yourself the ick?

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if this is an HR in a nutshell, I don't know what is. So I'm going to kind of, I'm going to paraphrase it, but essentially it's an HR practitioner who was in the meeting with the CEO and leadership team discussing the upcoming salary exemption change. Of course, they have one group of employees that would likely be changing from salary to hourly. The leadership team actually wants to go ahead and bump them up, even though it's quite a big bump to the salary.

Even though the CEO knows that there is obviously a possibility that this might not happen and it might be stopped, he's willing to take a risk. And he basically wants to not do anything. He doesn't want to plan for it. He doesn't want to worry about it. And she's like, well, I say she, we don't know if it's a girl or a boy, because it's anonymous. But the comments were like, we're not surprised, CEOs never listen to us. This is a legal, this is a law. We have to enforce it. It's not like, if you feel like it. So I just thought I literally like was just laughing because of all the things that I've

especially like in my time as HR Department of one like having to see tell the CEO like no, no, this isn't an option. We don't have the option of whether we do or don't do this. We have to do it. So I just thought that was funny. In a sad way. I know. Yeah, yeah. I was just reflecting on all the contentious talks, you know,

and how kind of earlier in my career I would say things like, like my language to a leader would sound more flexible. I don't know how to put that, you know, or just more collaborative. And then later in my career, I would go do the thing to keep us, you know, in line legally and then just kind of, you know, answer to finance later when they saw a spike in something or whatever, you know,

just ask forgiveness basically for following the law or, you know, tell the leader, hey, we're doing this. No, totally. Like very directive like language with those kind of just a little HR crazy eye. It's that right there. So we're doing this. I already did this.

I did this this morning. And now guess what? We're not violating the Constitution. Okay? Like literally, like, I mean, like it could be like, just the craziest things, you know? Like I brought you this law for funsies. Oh, exactly.

Well, that's the challenge. And I actually think this is a good topic for a broader episode, but it is the challenge. If you're in a group, for example, like you may have like, like a, let's say a title, like you're like the HR for the a title, you're like the HR for the whole organization and you're like the HR coordinator and you're like, can you please give me some other title? And they're like, no, no, no, no, that's not gonna happen.

But then these things happen and there's not an internal lawyer, like in-house lawyer, and so often HR kind of has to be this internal lawyer because it can be much easier to have the lawyer. It's like, I mean, be much easier to have the lawyer. I mean, I totally, having been a lawyer at HR, people do listen to lawyer. Like HR, there's always this question of like, surely, like hell hath no fury than a CEO that goes golfing on a Friday and comes back and is like, no, no, my foursome, this guy, my foursome guy told me there's a loophole and you should have found it.

You're like, oh, for fuck's sake. I actually have a good story about that. And I'll make, I'll keep it quick because I know this is happy hour. I want to get my drink on. But during the, during COVID when they were pushing the vaccine for healthcare workers, you know, obviously I approached my CEO and we went through it and I was like, you know, the vaccine for healthcare workers. Obviously I approached my CEO and we went through it and I was like, all of our people are going to have to be vaccinated.

And this was, it never ended up going through. But anyway, they wanted to call outside council because we didn't have general counsel and we did. And I shit you not, the lawyer on the the phone said this is HR 101 to me and I was so pissed and I was like good you can tell that to my CEO because she don't believe me So, yeah, yeah But luckily it ended up not going through down did did I get screamed at by at least five employees because they didn't want to be vaccinated?

Yes. Screamed. It's like, once again, this isn't my fucking rule, y'all. I didn't decide this. Jesus. The forever fall, thousand dies for the law. The life of HR. It is you. The law. Yeah. The life of HR. Oh my God.

It is thankless. It is thankless. But I'm thankful to have you all to talk about it with and all of you listening that are nodding along and being like, oh, TGIF. For real. I actually have some bullshit too I want to talk about. One, my sweater, y'all can't see it because you're obviously... I can see the pumpkins.

My sweater is from Sam's Club. And it's cute because it has pumpkins all over it. But tell me why does one of the pumpkins have a face on it and it's right on my boob? What? That one. Is that a face? Yes. What the fuck?

It's got pumpkins all over it and I have a face? Yes. What the fuck? It's got pumpkins all over it and I have a face on my boob. Sam's. I'm about to go to my son's Thanksgiving lunch with a pumpkin face on my boob. Oh, gosh. We'll have very festive. If you have a school name tag, just pop it right on. I absolutely will. Oh, gosh. Well, it's very festive. If you have a school name tag, just pop it right on. We're right on top.

I absolutely will. Oh, gosh. Well, fun times with our pumpkin boob. But just quickly, before we say have a good weekend and relax, refresh, recharge and all that fun stuff, we are filming our last episode of the year next week. Right? Like, and so you'll hear it in a few weeks. But we need questions from all of you all. So share your questions with us, Questies

for the Besties, so that we can answer all those. Anything goes. We may not answer it, but you can ask, you know, but anything goes. But share. Lea will let you know what her fee is for the certain questions to answer. There's some premium, she'll find some premium content in there. Direct it to Lea, please. Just write state school in the subject line. HRBesties.com, go to the contact and you can submit it.

Yes, yes, please submit so we can share. But what a note to end on. And we will have our holiday schedule. I'll be popping that on our Instagram. Maybe I'll also pop that in the show notes next week coming up, just so you can see our holiday schedule. We're going to make a little time to recharge. But yeah, TGIF until then.

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