Huberman Lab - Science & Tools For Muscle Growth, Increasing Strength & Muscular Recovery
Episode Date: May 31, 2021In this episode, I describe how our brain and nervous system control muscle tissue and how to leverage that for muscle maintenance, growth (hypertrophy) and recovery. I explain how neurons control mus...cle contractions and limb movements. I explain muscle metabolism and muscle fiber recruitment. I detail protocols for increasing muscular growth and for neuro-muscular recovery. I explain the effects of deliberate cold, anti-inflammatory agents, and anti-histamines on training progress. I describe science-supported protocols using certain weight load ranges, total sets per week, training intensity, frequency, and in-between set activities if one's goal is to increase muscle growth, strength or endurance. I review three foundational compounds and nutrients and three optimization compounds and nutrients that have been shown to improve neuro-muscular performance. Finally, I explain how to leverage exercise and weight training to enhance cognitive function. For the full show notes and timestamps, visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Disclaimer
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                                         Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
                                         
                                         I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
                                         
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                                         Today's episode of the huberman lab podcast is our fourth and final episode in this month,
                                         
                                         which is all about skills and athletic performance.
                                         
    
                                         Now in a previous episode, we talked about science based in particular neuroscience based tools
                                         
                                         for accelerating fat loss.
                                         
                                         Previous to that, we talked about ways to improve skill learning, motor movements, which
                                         
                                         also included things like music and piano playing, not just athletic performance.
                                         
                                         And we've also been exploring other aspects of physical performance throughout the entire
                                         
                                         month.
                                         
                                         Today, I want to talk about something that is vitally important for not just athletic performance,
                                         
                                         but for your entire life and indeed for your longevity.
                                         
    
                                         And that's muscle.
                                         
                                         Many of you when you hear the word muscle think muscle growth and building big muscles.
                                         
                                         And while we will touch on muscle hypertrophy, muscle growth today, and science-based protocols
                                         
                                         to enhance hypertrophy, we will mainly be talking about muscle as it relates to the nervous
                                         
                                         system.
                                         
                                         And I can't emphasize this enough.
                                         
                                         The whole reason why you have a brain is so that you can move. And one of the things that's
                                         
                                         exquisite and fantastic about the human brain is that it can direct all sorts of different kinds
                                         
    
                                         of movement, different speeds of movement, movement of different durations. We can train our musculature to lift heavier and heavier objects, or we can train our musculature
                                         
                                         to take us further and further, so-called endurance. We can also build smoothness
                                         
                                         of movement, excuse me, smoothness of movement, as well as speed of movement,
                                         
                                         suppleness of movement. All of that is governed by the relationship between
                                         
                                         the nervous system neurons and their connections to muscle. So when you hear the science of
                                         
                                         muscle and muscle hypertrophy, you might think, oh, well, I'm not interested in building
                                         
                                         muscle, but muscle does many critical things. It's important for movement, it's important for metabolism.
                                         
                                         The more muscle you have and not just muscle size, but the quality of muscle, that's a real thing,
                                         
    
                                         the higher your metabolism is and indeed the healthier you are. It turns out that jumping ability
                                         
                                         and ability to stand up quickly and to get up off the floor quickly is one of the
                                         
                                         most predictive markers of aging and biological aging and no surprise, that is governed by
                                         
                                         the brain to muscle connection.
                                         
                                         In addition, muscle and musculature is vital for posture, and we don't talk about posture
                                         
                                         enough.
                                         
                                         We all have been told we need to sit up straight or stand up straight. But posture
                                         
                                         is vitally important for how the rest of our body works. It's vital to how we breathe.
                                         
    
                                         It's actually even vital to how alert or sleepy we are. We're going to talk about the musculature
                                         
                                         for posture. We also are going to talk about muscle as it relates to aesthetic things. Now
                                         
                                         these are all linked. Muscle for metabolism,
                                         
                                         movement, posture, and aesthetics, of course are linked, right? As our posture changes, our
                                         
                                         aesthetic changes, as our posture and aesthetic changes, how we move changes, and as we improve
                                         
                                         muscle quality, whether or not that's increasing muscle size or not, that changes the way that our
                                         
                                         entire system, not just our nervous system
                                         
                                         and our muscular system, but our immune system and the other organs of the body work.
                                         
    
                                         So today, as always, we're going to talk a little bit of mechanism.
                                         
                                         I'm going to explain how neurons control muscle.
                                         
                                         And then we're going to look at muscle metabolism, how muscle uses energy.
                                         
                                         I promise to make all of this very simple.
                                         
                                         I'm actually going to keep it very brief,
                                         
                                         probably about 10 minutes total, and by the end of that 10 minutes, you will understand a lot about the neuro-muscular connection,
                                         
                                         how your brain and nervous system control your muscle, and how those muscles work.
                                         
                                         Then we are going to talk about
                                         
    
                                         how muscles use energy and can change how they use energy for sake of getting stronger.
                                         
                                         If you like, for also increasing the size, so-called hypertrophy of muscle, and for improving
                                         
                                         endurance, as well as for improving posture and how you move generally.
                                         
                                         We will touch on some nutritional themes and how that relates to muscle in particular,
                                         
                                         a specific amino acid that if it's available in your bloodstream
                                         
                                         frequently enough and at
                                         
                                         sufficient levels can help you build and improve the quality of muscle and
                                         
                                         We'll talk about specific exercise regimes as well as of course
                                         
    
                                         supplementation and things that can enhance
                                         
                                         Neuromuscular performance overall.
                                         
                                         We are also going to talk about recovery.
                                         
                                         Recovery, as everybody knows, is when things improve.
                                         
                                         That's when neurons get better at controlling muscle.
                                         
                                         That's when muscle grows. That's when muscle gets more flexible.
                                         
                                         None of that actually happens during training.
                                         
                                         It happens after training.
                                         
    
                                         And there is a lot of confusion about how to optimize recovery and how to measure whether
                                         
                                         or not you are recovered and ready to come back in for another neuromuscular training session.
                                         
                                         So we'll talk about that as well.
                                         
                                         Today is going to have a lot of protocols.
                                         
                                         And you're going to come away with a lot of understanding about how you move, how you
                                         
                                         work, and these incredible organs that we call the nervous system and the musculature, the so-called neuromuscular
                                         
                                         system.
                                         
                                         Before we dive into today's topic, I want to just take about three minutes and cover
                                         
    
                                         some essential summary of the previous episode.
                                         
                                         In the previous episode, we talked about fat loss.
                                         
                                         Talked about shiver-induced fat loss.
                                         
                                         We talked about meat, non-exercise activity, thermogenesis, for increasing caloric burn
                                         
                                         and fat oxidation.
                                         
                                         And we talked about how to use cold specifically to enhance fat loss.
                                         
                                         I described a protocol involving getting into cold of some sort, whether or not it's ice bath, cold shower, some
                                         
                                         form of cold. It could even be a river or an ocean if you have access to that
                                         
    
                                         and inducing shiver and then getting out, not crossing your arms or
                                         
                                         huddling, but allowing that cold to evaporate off you and continuing to
                                         
                                         shiver and then getting back into the colder environment of water or stream
                                         
                                         or shower, etc. All of that is described in a beautifully illustrated protocol that I didn't illustrate.
                                         
                                         That's why it's beautifully illustrated at the coldplunge.com.
                                         
                                         They've made that protocol for you and they've made it available free of charge for you.
                                         
                                         So there's no obligation there of any kind financially.
                                         
                                         You can go to the coldplunge.com.
                                         
    
                                         There's a little tab that says protocols and you can download that protocol. Someone there, I don't know who exactly
                                         
                                         illustrated it and you can come away with a PDF of what I described in the previous
                                         
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                                         Most people, when they hear the word muscle, they just think about strength.
                                         
                                         But of course, muscles are involved in everything
                                         
                                         that we do. They are involved in speaking. They are involved in sitting and standing up.
                                         
                                         They are involved in lifting objects, including ourselves. They are absolutely essential
                                         
                                         for maintaining how we breathe. They are absolutely essential for ambulation, for moving, and for
                                         
    
                                         skills of any kind.
                                         
                                         So, when we think about muscle,
                                         
                                         we don't just want to think about muscle,
                                         
                                         the meat that is muscle, but what controls that muscle.
                                         
                                         And no surprise, what controls muscle is the nervous system.
                                         
                                         The nervous system does that through three main nodes
                                         
                                         of control, areas of control.
                                         
                                         And I've talked about these before on a previous podcast,
                                         
    
                                         so I will keep this very brief.
                                         
                                         Basically, we have upper motor neurons in our motor cortex,
                                         
                                         so those are in our skull,
                                         
                                         and those are involved in deliberate movement.
                                         
                                         So if I decide that I'm going to pick my pen
                                         
                                         and up and put it down,
                                         
                                         which is what I'm doing right now,
                                         
                                         my upper motor neurons were involved
                                         
    
                                         in generating that movement.
                                         
                                         Those upper motor neurons send signals down to my spinal cord where there are two categories of neurons. One are the lower
                                         
                                         motor neurons and those lower motor neurons send little wires that we call axons out
                                         
                                         to our muscles and cause those muscles to contract. They do that by dumping chemicals onto the
                                         
                                         muscle. In fact, the chemical is aceto-coling.
                                         
                                         I've talked before about aceto-coling in the brain,
                                         
                                         which is vitally important for focus
                                         
                                         and actually can gait neuroplasticity,
                                         
    
                                         the brain's ability to change in response to experience.
                                         
                                         But in the neuromuscular system,
                                         
                                         aceto-coling released from motor neurons is the way,
                                         
                                         the only way that muscles can contract.
                                         
                                         Now there's another category of neurons in the spinal cord called central pattern generators
                                         
                                         or CPGs, and those are involved in rhythmic movements.
                                         
                                         Anytime we're walking or doing something where we don't have to think about it to do it deliberately,
                                         
                                         it's just happening reflexively, that central pattern generators and motor neurons.
                                         
    
                                         Anytime we're doing something deliberately that the top down control, as we call it, from
                                         
                                         the upper motor neurons comes in and takes control of that system.
                                         
                                         So it's really simple.
                                         
                                         You've only got three ingredients.
                                         
                                         You've got the upper motor neurons, the lower motor neurons, and for rhythmic movements
                                         
                                         that are reflexive, you've also got the central pattern generators.
                                         
                                         So it's a terrifically simple system at that level. But what we're
                                         
                                         going to focus on today is how that system can control muscle in ways that make that system
                                         
    
                                         better. Now when I say better, I want to be very specific. If your goal is to build larger muscles,
                                         
                                         there's a way to use your nervous system to trigger hypertrophy, to increase the size
                                         
                                         of those muscles, and it is indeed controlled by the nervous system.
                                         
                                         So you can forget the idea that the muscles have memory or that muscles grow in response to something
                                         
                                         that's just happening within the muscle.
                                         
                                         It's the nerve to muscle connection that actually creates hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         I'll talk exactly about how to optimize that process.
                                         
                                         In addition, if you want to improve endurance or improve flexibility or suppleness or explosiveness,
                                         
    
                                         that is all accomplished by the way that the nervous system engages muscles specifically.
                                         
                                         And so what that means is we have to ask ourselves, are we going to take control of the upper
                                         
                                         motor neurons, the central pattern generators, or the lower motor neurons, or all three, in order to get to some end point of how the nervous system controls muscle.
                                         
                                         So, neurophysiology 101. I'll give you one piece of history because it's important to know. Sherrington, who won the Nobel Prize, called movement the final common path.
                                         
                                         Why did he say that?
                                         
                                         Well, the whole reason for having a nervous system, the whole reason for having a brain
                                         
                                         is so that we can control our movements in very dedicated ways.
                                         
                                         That is one of the reasons, perhaps the predominant reason why the human brain is so large.
                                         
    
                                         You might think, oh, it's so large for thinking and for creativity. Ah, no, when you look at the amount of real estate in
                                         
                                         the brain that's devoted to different aspects of life, it's mainly vision,
                                         
                                         our ability to see and movement, our ability to engage in lots of different
                                         
                                         kinds of movements, slow movements, fast movements, explosive, etc. Other animals don't have that ability because they don't have the mental real estate, they
                                         
                                         don't have the neural real estate in their brain.
                                         
                                         They have neuromuscular junctions, they have central pattern generators where they don't
                                         
                                         have, are these incredible upper motor neurons that can direct activity the muscles in very
                                         
                                         specific ways.
                                         
    
                                         So we can all feel blessed that we have this system.
                                         
                                         And today I'm gonna teach you how to use that system
                                         
                                         toward particular endpoints.
                                         
                                         So if we decide that we are going to direct our muscles
                                         
                                         in some particular movement of any kind,
                                         
                                         whether or not it's a weight lifting exercise
                                         
                                         or whether it's a yoga movement
                                         
                                         or simply picking up and putting down a pen,
                                         
    
                                         we are engaging flexors and extensors.
                                         
                                         And our body is covered with flexors and extensors all over.
                                         
                                         So for instance, our bicep is a flexor and our tricep is an extensor.
                                         
                                         Those are what are called antagonistic muscles.
                                         
                                         They move the limbs in opposite directions.
                                         
                                         So if you bring your wrist closer to your shoulder, that's flexion using your bicep.
                                         
                                         If you move your wrist further away from your shoulder, that's extension using your tricep. And without getting into a lot of detail, the way that the nerves
                                         
                                         and brain are wired up to muscle make it such that when a flexor is activated, when the
                                         
    
                                         nerve dumps chemical acetylcholine onto the muscle to activate the biceps, the triceps
                                         
                                         is inhibited. It's prevented from engaging.
                                         
                                         There are ways to bypass this,
                                         
                                         but that's the typical mode of action.
                                         
                                         The converse is also true
                                         
                                         when our tricep is inactivated, okay?
                                         
                                         When we move our wrist away from our shoulder,
                                         
                                         our bicep is inhibited.
                                         
    
                                         And we have flexors like our abdominal muscles
                                         
                                         and we have extensors in our lower back.
                                         
                                         Many of you probably know this, but some of you probably don't that your spine has flexors
                                         
                                         to move basically your chin toward your waist and it has those are your abdominal muscles
                                         
                                         among others.
                                         
                                         And you have extensors that move your chin basically back like looking up toward the ceiling
                                         
                                         and those are your extensors.
                                         
                                         You have other muscles that are stabilizing muscles and things of that sort, but those movements
                                         
    
                                         of flexion and extension and the fact that they are what we call reciprocally innovative or
                                         
                                         mutual inhibition, you hear different language around this, is characteristic of most of our
                                         
                                         limb movements. Okay, so hamstring and quadricep, the hamstring brings the ankle closer back towards the glutes.
                                         
                                         Basically, it's lifting your heel up, right,
                                         
                                         which is almost always done toward the back.
                                         
                                         Whereas your quadriceps is the extensor,
                                         
                                         opposite to the hamstrings, so you get the idea.
                                         
                                         So there's flexors and extensors,
                                         
    
                                         and it's the neurons that control those flexors
                                         
                                         and extensors that allow us to move in particular ways.
                                         
                                         So now you have heard
                                         
                                         neuromuscular physiology in its simplest form, but I do want this to be accessible. I want to get just briefly
                                         
                                         just briefly into some of the underlying metabolism of how muscles
                                         
                                         use and create energy.
                                         
                                         Because in doing that we will be in a great position to understand all the tools that
                                         
                                         follow about how to optimize the neuromuscular system for your particular goals.
                                         
    
                                         So in the previous episode about fat loss, we talked about light polysus, the breakdown
                                         
                                         of fat into fatty acids so it can be used as fuel and it ended in a step where we got
                                         
                                         ATP, which is the bottleneck and final common path for all energy producing functions in the body.
                                         
                                         There are other ways, but basically ATP is the key element there.
                                         
                                         Now, with muscles, they don't function on fats.
                                         
                                         Normally, what they are going to function on, their ability to move,
                                         
                                         and their ability to do things and allow us to move in any way that we want to
                                         
                                         is based on
                                         
    
                                         a process of glycolysis, the breakdown of things like glycogen and glucose into energy.
                                         
                                         And it's a very simple process.
                                         
                                         You don't have to know any chemistry.
                                         
                                         So if I say the words carbon or hydrogen or something like that, don't freak out.
                                         
                                         You don't have to understand any chemistry.
                                         
                                         But basically what happens is you've got this
                                         
                                         available sugar resource that's stored in muscle.
                                         
                                         Okay, and that's glucose.
                                         
    
                                         And that glucose has six carbons and six waters basically.
                                         
                                         That can be broken down into two sets of three carbons.
                                         
                                         All right, so basically you take glucose
                                         
                                         and you break it into these two little batches of carbons
                                         
                                         that we call pyruvate.
                                         
                                         So 6 divided by 2 is 3, so you get 3 and 3 pyruvates.
                                         
                                         And that generates a little bit of ATP of energy,
                                         
                                         but just a little bit.
                                         
    
                                         Now, if there's oxygen available, okay,
                                         
                                         if there's sufficient oxygen there,
                                         
                                         what can happen is that pyruvate
                                         
                                         can be brought to the mitochondria
                                         
                                         and through a whole set of things
                                         
                                         that you probably don't wanna hear about right now
                                         
                                         like the electron transport chain and citric acid cycle.
                                         
                                         What happens is it's broken down
                                         
    
                                         and you get 28 to 30 ATP, which is a lot of ATP.
                                         
                                         So the only things you need to know, the only things you need to know about this process
                                         
                                         is that glucose and glycogen are broken down into pyruvate.
                                         
                                         You get a little bit of energy from that.
                                         
                                         And when I say energy, I mean the ability to move.
                                         
                                         It's fuel, it literally just gets burned up.
                                         
                                         But if there's oxygen available and that's key, then within the mitochondria, you can create 28 to 30 ATP, which is a lot of ATP.
                                         
                                         Now, what does this mean?
                                         
    
                                         This means that movement of muscle is metabolically expensive,
                                         
                                         and indeed, compared to other tissues, compared to fat,
                                         
                                         compared to bone, compared to almost all other tissues
                                         
                                         except brain tissue, muscle is the most metabolically demanding,
                                         
                                         which is why people who have more muscle relative to adipose tissue to fat,
                                         
                                         they can eat more and they're more of a furnace, they just kind of burn that up.
                                         
                                         Okay? So even if you didn't understand anything that I just said,
                                         
                                         what you probably did here and that I hope you heard is that if you have oxygen around,
                                         
    
                                         you can create energy from this fuel source that we call glycogen and glucose.
                                         
                                         But what if there isn't oxygen around?
                                         
                                         And what is that like?
                                         
                                         Well, you've experienced that.
                                         
                                         I'm not talking about oxygen in the environment.
                                         
                                         I'm talking about oxygen in the muscle.
                                         
                                         So if you've ever carried a box while moving or you're carrying heavy groceries
                                         
                                         to the car or you were exercising're carrying heavy groceries to the car, or you're exercising
                                         
    
                                         particularly hard, and you felt the burn.
                                         
                                         Well that burning, which most people think is lactic acid, is actually a process by which
                                         
                                         pyruvate, which as I said before, normally could be converted into ATP.
                                         
                                         If there's oxygen, well, if there's not enough oxygen, because that muscle is working too
                                         
                                         hard or too long, what ends up happening is that a hydrogen molecule comes in there
                                         
                                         and you get something called lactate.
                                         
                                         So believe it or not, humans don't make lactic acid.
                                         
                                         That's another species.
                                         
    
                                         We make lactate.
                                         
                                         And we think, and we hear that lactate is bad.
                                         
                                         We need to buffer the burn or avoid the burn that lactic acid and lactate are what
                                         
                                         prevent us for performing as well as we ought to be able to or for going as far as we possibly
                                         
                                         could in an endurance event. Guess what? That's not true at all. Lactate has three functions,
                                         
                                         all of which are really interesting and really important. First of all, it's a buffer against
                                         
                                         acidity.
                                         
                                         You don't want muscle to get to acidic
                                         
    
                                         because it can't function.
                                         
                                         You don't want anybody to shoot to get to acidic.
                                         
                                         So that burn that you feel is acidity in that environment,
                                         
                                         that enlactate, what most people call lactic acid,
                                         
                                         but again, we don't make lactic acid,
                                         
                                         lacticate is there to buffer that
                                         
                                         to reduce the amount of burn.
                                         
                                         So most people have this exactly backwards.
                                         
    
                                         So when you feel that burn, that is not lactic acid.
                                         
                                         That is lactate that's present to suppress the burn, to suppress acidity.
                                         
                                         It's also a fuel.
                                         
                                         When you feel that burn, lactate is shuttled to those areas of the muscle.
                                         
                                         And there's an actual
                                         
                                         fuel burning process where in the absence of oxygen, you can continue to generate muscular
                                         
                                         contractions. Now, this is informative because it also tells us that that burning, that acidity
                                         
                                         that we feel, can inhibit the way that our muscles work, but that lactate comes in and allows
                                         
    
                                         our muscles to continue to function. So we'll talk a little bit more about what this whole lactate thing in the burn means.
                                         
                                         But it's a really important process and it's amazing to me that most people understand it in exactly the incorrect way.
                                         
                                         They think, olyactic acid is bad and the burn is bad.
                                         
                                         No, it reveals a number of really important things are going on with this vital molecule lactate,
                                         
                                         which can reduce acidity, reduce the burn, as well as act as a fuel.
                                         
                                         Now here's where it gets really, really cool.
                                         
                                         And if you don't have enough of an incentive to exercise based on all the information out
                                         
                                         there about how it'll make you live longer and make your heart better, et cetera, here's
                                         
    
                                         a reason that regardless of what kind of exercise you do if it's weight training or running or cycling or swimming that every once in a while
                                         
                                         About 10% of the time you should exercise to the point of intensity where you start to feel that so-called burn
                                         
                                         Right the reason for that is that lactate shows up to
                                         
                                         the site of the burn, so to speak, and
                                         
                                         it acts as a hormonal signal for other organs of the body in a very positive way.
                                         
                                         As you may recall from a very early episode of the Uberman Lab podcast, I talked about what
                                         
                                         a hormone is and how it works.
                                         
                                         We have lots of different kinds of hormones, but hormones are chemicals that are released
                                         
    
                                         in one location in the body and travel have effects on lots of other organs
                                         
                                         of the body. So when I say that lactate acts as a hormonal signal, what I mean is that
                                         
                                         it's in a position to influence tissues that are outside of the muscle. And basically, it can send signals to the heart,
                                         
                                         to the liver, and to the brain.
                                         
                                         And it can have effects on the heart, the liver,
                                         
                                         and the brain that are very positive.
                                         
                                         So just to zoom out for a second, I promise,
                                         
                                         we won't get any more technical than this.
                                         
    
                                         We will get into tools and protocols
                                         
                                         that are really straightforward.
                                         
                                         But what I'm telling you is that if you feel a burn
                                         
                                         from a particular exercise or movement,
                                         
                                         that burn is going to be buffered
                                         
                                         by this molecule we call lactate.
                                         
                                         Lactate will then provide additional fuel for additional work.
                                         
                                         So this is a good incentive,
                                         
    
                                         provide you can do it safely to quote unquote work
                                         
                                         through the burn.
                                         
                                         You are, that burn is a, acts as a beacon to the lactate which comes in and allows you
                                         
                                         to do more work.
                                         
                                         It's not a signal to stop necessarily.
                                         
                                         I mean, stop if you're doing something unsafe, but it's a signal that lactate should
                                         
                                         come in and allow you to continue to do work.
                                         
                                         And it can act as a hormonal signal. Lactate can then travel to the heart and to the liver and to the brain and can enhance
                                         
    
                                         their function in positive ways, not just in those moments, but in the period of time that
                                         
                                         follows.
                                         
                                         So many people are curious about how they can exercise to make their brain better.
                                         
                                         That's one of the most common questions I get.
                                         
                                         What I'm telling you is that provided you can do it safely by engaging the so-called burn, which is a different threshold for everybody,
                                         
                                         right? Your hill run will be different than my hill run to generate the burn, but provided
                                         
                                         you can do that for about 10% of your workouts or of an individual workout or activity of any kind.
                                         
                                         You are generating the activity of this lactate-based hormonal signal
                                         
    
                                         that can improve the function of neurons.
                                         
                                         And it does that, if you want to know for the aficionados,
                                         
                                         by improving the function of another cell type called the astrocytes,
                                         
                                         which are a glial cell type, which are very involved in clearance of debris from the brain.
                                         
                                         They're involved in the formation of synapses, connections between neurons and the brain.
                                         
                                         So put simply, if you're an exorciser, if you're doing movement of any kind,
                                         
                                         and you're interested in allocating some of that movement toward enhancing brain, heart, and liver health,
                                         
                                         there is a nice set of scientific data that points to the fact that getting lactate
                                         
    
                                         shuttled to the muscles by engaging this burning sensation is advantageous for the health of those
                                         
                                         other tissues. So as I mentioned that burn is present from lack of oxygen being present
                                         
                                         and then the hydrogen comes in and you get this lactate. But this process of lactate acting as a buffer,
                                         
                                         a fuel, and a positive hormonal signal for other tissues
                                         
                                         occurs only if there's oxygen.
                                         
                                         So if you feel the burn, you definitely
                                         
                                         want to focus on your breathing at that point.
                                         
                                         That would be the time to take deep inhales
                                         
    
                                         and try and bring more oxygen into your system.
                                         
                                         It's definitely not a time to hold
                                         
                                         your breath. And if ever you've run to the point of feeling the burn and then you were exercised
                                         
                                         in any way on the treadmill or on the bike or whatever and felt that burn and then you held your
                                         
                                         breath, it feels much more intense. By breathing, you bring lactate to the site and you are able to
                                         
                                         allow lactate to act more as a buffer, a fuel, and a hormonal signal.
                                         
                                         And the reason I brought this up today
                                         
                                         is because as I mentioned,
                                         
    
                                         so many people are interested in using exercise
                                         
                                         not just for sake of improving physical health
                                         
                                         and well-being and performance,
                                         
                                         but also for enhancing their brain.
                                         
                                         And there are a lot of data out there
                                         
                                         speaking to the findings that exercise of various kinds
                                         
                                         can increase neurogenesis, the creation of new neurons.
                                         
                                         Well, the unfortunate news is that while that's true in mice, there is very little evidence
                                         
    
                                         for enhanced neurogenesis from exercise or otherwise in humans.
                                         
                                         There's a little bit, and there are a few sites within the brain such as the dentate gyres
                                         
                                         of the hippocampus, which may be involved in the formation of new memories.
                                         
                                         To be clear, the dentate gyros is definitely involved in the formation of new memories.
                                         
                                         Whether or not the new neurons that are added there in humans are involved in new memories
                                         
                                         is the evidence for that is weak at best, frankly, whereas in animals that the data are quite
                                         
                                         strong. But most of the data point to the fact that hormonal signals, things that are transported in
                                         
                                         the blood during exercise, are what are beneficial for the brain, excuse me, and that those
                                         
    
                                         signals are not causing the increase in the number of neurons in the dentic gyrosir, otherwise,
                                         
                                         that it's more about the health of the connections between the neurons, growth factors of various kinds, things like IGF-1.
                                         
                                         There's a long list of these things.
                                         
                                         So if you've heard the exercise increases the number of neurons in your brain, well, that's
                                         
                                         not true.
                                         
                                         And that probably is a good thing, frankly, because we always hear more neurons, more neurons,
                                         
                                         as if it's a good thing.
                                         
                                         But the brain doesn't do so well with bringing in entirely new elements.
                                         
    
                                         It has a hard time negotiating that well with bringing in entirely new elements.
                                         
                                         It has a hard time negotiating that and making use of those new elements.
                                         
                                         We know about this from things like the cochlear implant where deaf people are given a device where they suddenly can hear.
                                         
                                         Some people really like that, deaf people really like that and can benefit from it.
                                         
                                         Other deaf people find that it's very intrusive, that it's hard to take an existing neural circuit
                                         
                                         in the brain and incorporate a lot of new information into it.
                                         
                                         So new neurons, as great as that sounds, more neurons, more neurons, it actually might not
                                         
                                         be the best way for the nervous system to change and modify itself and to promote its own
                                         
    
                                         longevity.
                                         
                                         So, when I tell you, you know, it's not such great evidence from a new neurons past puberty.
                                         
                                         That's what the data really show in humans.
                                         
                                         And I sort of knock back the data on exercise and neurogenesis.
                                         
                                         Don't let that depress you.
                                         
                                         If you have dimension, your family, don't make that,
                                         
                                         don't translate that into a necessarily
                                         
                                         that you will develop dementia.
                                         
    
                                         Understand that exercise is still beneficial for the brain
                                         
                                         and other aspects of the nervous system,
                                         
                                         but that it's going to be doing it
                                         
                                         through these hormonal signals, things like IGF1,
                                         
                                         things like this lactate pathway,
                                         
                                         when you experience the burn from exercise.
                                         
                                         And again, you don't wanna try and get this feeling
                                         
                                         of a burn throughout the entire episode of exercise.
                                         
    
                                         That'll be far too intense and when it inhibits your recovery,
                                         
                                         I don't think it'll be good for performance either. It's only about 10% of your total effort
                                         
                                         in any one exercise bout that's going to give you this positive effect.
                                         
                                         So now you know how to devote a small portion of your exercise, 10% in order for muscle and
                                         
                                         lactate to benefit other tissues, namely your heart, your liver, and your brain.
                                         
                                         I now like to shift our attention to how to use specific aspects of muscular contraction
                                         
                                         to improve muscle hypertrophy, muscle growth, as well as improving muscle strength.
                                         
                                         There are a lot of reasons to want to get stronger, and I should just mention that it's not always the case
                                         
    
                                         that getting stronger involves muscles getting bigger.
                                         
                                         There are ways for muscles to get stronger without getting bigger.
                                         
                                         However, increasing the size of a muscle almost inevitably increases the strength of that
                                         
                                         muscle, at least to some degree.
                                         
                                         Reasons why most everyone should want to get their muscles stronger is that muscles are generally
                                         
                                         getting progressively weaker across the
                                         
                                         lifespan. So when I say getting stronger, it's not necessarily about being able to move
                                         
                                         increasing amounts of weight in the gym, although if that's your goal, what I'm about to discuss
                                         
    
                                         will be relevant to that. But rather to offset some of the normal decline in strength and posture
                                         
                                         and the ability to generate a large range of movement
                                         
                                         safely that occurs as we age.
                                         
                                         So I mentioned at the beginning of the episode,
                                         
                                         we just tend to lose function in this neuromuscular system
                                         
                                         as we get older.
                                         
                                         And doing things to offset that has been shown again
                                         
                                         and again to be beneficial for the neuromuscular system,
                                         
    
                                         for protection of injury, for enhancing the strength of bones and bone density,
                                         
                                         so there are a lot of reasons to use resistance exercise
                                         
                                         that extend far beyond just the desire to increase muscle size.
                                         
                                         Because I know many of you are interested in increasing muscle size
                                         
                                         but many of you are not.
                                         
                                         So there's an important principle of muscle physiology
                                         
                                         called the henomenin-size principle.
                                         
                                         And the henimin-size principle essentially says that we recruit what are called motor
                                         
    
                                         units.
                                         
                                         Motor units are just the connections between nerve and muscle from a, in a pattern that
                                         
                                         staircases from low threshold to high threshold.
                                         
                                         What this means is when you pick up something
                                         
                                         that is light, you're going to use the minimum amount
                                         
                                         of nerve to muscle energy in order to move that thing.
                                         
                                         Likewise, when you pick up an object that's heavy,
                                         
                                         you're going to use the minimum amount of nerve
                                         
    
                                         to muscle connectivity and energy in order
                                         
                                         to move that object.
                                         
                                         So it's basically a conservation of energy principle.
                                         
                                         Now, if you continue to exert effort of movement,
                                         
                                         what will happen is you will tend to recruit
                                         
                                         more and more motor units with time.
                                         
                                         And that process of recruiting more neurons,
                                         
                                         more lower motor neurons,
                                         
    
                                         as if you recall from the beginning of the episode,
                                         
                                         these lower motor neurons are in our spinal
                                         
                                         cord and they actually dump a chemical, see it, a colon on muscle, cause the muscles to
                                         
                                         contract.
                                         
                                         As you recruit more and more of these motor units, these connections between these lower
                                         
                                         motor neurons and muscle, that's when you start to get changes in the muscle.
                                         
                                         That's when you open the gate for the potential for the muscles to get stronger
                                         
                                         and to get larger if that's what your goal is. And so the way this process works has been
                                         
    
                                         badly misunderstood in the kind of online literature of weight training and bodybuilding
                                         
                                         and even in sports physiology. The Heneman-Size Princi principle is kind of a foundational principle within muscle physiology.
                                         
                                         But many people have come to interpret it by saying that the way to recruit high threshold
                                         
                                         motor units, the ones that are hard to get to, is to just use heavy weights. And that's
                                         
                                         actually not the case. As we'll talk about, the research supports that weights in a very large range
                                         
                                         of sort of percentage of your maximum anywhere from 30 to 80%.
                                         
                                         So weights that are not very light but are moderately light to heavy can cause changes in the
                                         
                                         connections between nerve and muscle that lead to muscle strength and muscle hypertrophy.
                                         
    
                                         Put differently.
                                         
                                         Heavy weights can help build muscle and strength, but they are not required.
                                         
                                         What one has to do is adhere to a certain number of parameters, just a couple of key variables
                                         
                                         that I'll spell out for you.
                                         
                                         If you do that, you can greatly increase muscle hypertrophy, muscle size, and or muscle strength if that's
                                         
                                         what you want to do. And you don't necessarily have to use heavy weights in order to do that.
                                         
                                         Now I'm sure the power lifters and the people that like to move heavy weights around will
                                         
                                         say, no, if you want to get strong, you absolutely have to live heavy weights. And that might
                                         
    
                                         be true if you want to get very strong, but for most
                                         
                                         people who are interested in supporting their muscular such that they offset any age-related decline
                                         
                                         in strength or in increasing hypertrophy and strength to some degree, there really isn't a
                                         
                                         need to lie about the henamined size principle, which many people out there are doing, and claiming
                                         
                                         that you absolutely need to use the heaviest weights possible in order to build strength and muscle. So I'm going to
                                         
                                         explain all of this works in simple terms. So first of all, let's just talk about what hypertrophy
                                         
                                         is and what strength changes in the muscle are. We can make this very simple as well. If this were
                                         
                                         a muscle physiology class, we would talk all about, you know, myocybrals and
                                         
    
                                         sarcom mirrors and all that stuff.
                                         
                                         We're not going to do that.
                                         
                                         That's not the purpose of today's conversation.
                                         
                                         If you're interested in that, as well as a lot of the other information that I'm going
                                         
                                         to discuss in more detail, I highly encourage you to check out the YouTube channel from
                                         
                                         and the writings of Dr. Andy Galpin.
                                         
                                         He's a PhD and a full professor in exercise physiology.
                                         
                                         He's extremely knowledgeable in this entire area
                                         
    
                                         of science-based tools for hypertrophy,
                                         
                                         how strength and hypertrophy really work.
                                         
                                         His lab does everything from biopsy on muscles,
                                         
                                         working with athletes and typical folks as well.
                                         
                                         A lot of the information that you're gonna hear from me
                                         
                                         in the next 15 minutes or so
                                         
                                         comes from an extensive exploration of the work that he and his colleagues have done,
                                         
                                         as well as folks like Brad Schoenfield, another academic who's superb in this whole space
                                         
    
                                         of muscle physiology, and from a lengthy conversation that I had with Andy, Dr. Galpin, prior to
                                         
                                         this episode.
                                         
                                         So if we want to think about muscle hypertrophy, we have to ask what is changing when muscles
                                         
                                         get larger or stronger?
                                         
                                         And there are really just three ways that muscles can be stimulated to change.
                                         
                                         So let's review those three ways and talk about what happened inside the muscle.
                                         
                                         So there are three major stimuli for changing the way that muscle works and making muscles
                                         
                                         stronger, larger, or better in some
                                         
    
                                         way.
                                         
                                         And those are stress, tension, and damage.
                                         
                                         Those three things don't necessarily all have to be present, but stress of some kind
                                         
                                         has to exist.
                                         
                                         Something has to be different in the way that the nerve communicates with the muscle and
                                         
                                         the way that the muscle contracts or performs,
                                         
                                         that makes the muscle need to change.
                                         
                                         So, this is very reminiscent of neuroplasticity in the brain.
                                         
    
                                         Something needs to happen.
                                         
                                         Certain chemicals need to be present.
                                         
                                         Certain processes need to happen, or else a tissue simply won't change itself.
                                         
                                         But if those processes and events do happen, then the tissue has essentially no option except
                                         
                                         but to change. So muscles move, as I mentioned, because nerves dump chemical
                                         
                                         onto the muscles, but they move because they have these things called myosin and
                                         
                                         actin filaments. And if you want to read up on this, you can, you know, you can look
                                         
                                         on the internet, you can put the sliding filament theory of muscle contraction. If you really want to go deep down that rabbit hole, it's interesting. You can look on the internet, you can put the sliding filament theory of muscle contraction.
                                         
    
                                         If you really want to go deep down that rabbit hole, it's interesting.
                                         
                                         You can learn about this in a muscle physiology class.
                                         
                                         But basically, along the length of the muscle, you have what's called myosin.
                                         
                                         And just think of myosin as kind of like a wire.
                                         
                                         It's like a bunch of beads and wires that extend across the muscle.
                                         
                                         I think that's the simplest way to describe it.
                                         
                                         And the myosin is surrounded by these little beads
                                         
                                         called actin.
                                         
    
                                         The way muscles get bigger is that basically
                                         
                                         the myosin gets thicker.
                                         
                                         It's a protein, right?
                                         
                                         And it gets thicker.
                                         
                                         So put this in your mind.
                                         
                                         If you're listening to this,
                                         
                                         or even if you're watching it on YouTube,
                                         
                                         the way to think about this whole actin, mys and thing and muscles getting bigger is imagine that
                                         
    
                                         you're holding a bouquet of balloons, a bunch of balloons by their strings, except you're not holding
                                         
                                         the strings all at their bottom. So the bouquet isn't nicely arranged. It's not like some balloons
                                         
                                         that are all up at the top and you're holding the strings down at the bottom. Imagine that one of
                                         
                                         the balloons that is very close to your hand,
                                         
                                         another one is a little bit higher up, and so this bouquet is very disorganized.
                                         
                                         In other words, the string extending out of your hand,
                                         
                                         the strings rather extending out of your hand, are all different lengths.
                                         
                                         And so the balloons are all over the place.
                                         
    
                                         That's essentially what Mayasin looks like in the muscle.
                                         
                                         And those strings are what we call the filaments.
                                         
                                         And then the Mayasin head like in the muscle. And those strings are what we call the filaments.
                                         
                                         And then the myocin head that is the balloon. When you stress a muscle properly, or you
                                         
                                         give it sufficient tension, or you damage the muscle, just enough, there's an adaptive
                                         
                                         response that takes place where protein is synthesized and it's a very specific protein,
                                         
                                         it's myocin. The myocin gets thicker. In other words, the balloons get bigger.
                                         
                                         So the way to think about muscle growth and the way to think about muscles getting stronger is that
                                         
    
                                         those balloons get bigger and the muscle gets thicker.
                                         
                                         Now the question then should be, as always, how does that happen? I mean, the muscle doesn't really know anything
                                         
                                         about what's happening in the outside world.
                                         
                                         The way it happens is the nerve, the neuron,
                                         
                                         has to tell the muscle to get stronger.
                                         
                                         And it does that through a what we call a signaling cascade.
                                         
                                         It talks to the muscle in terms of chemicals.
                                         
                                         It doesn't whisper to it or shout out,
                                         
    
                                         hey, get bigger.
                                         
                                         What it does, it releases certain chemicals
                                         
                                         that within the muscle, there are certain chemicals
                                         
                                         released rather that make those balloons as I'm referring to them, the myosin get thicker.
                                         
                                         So let's talk about the stimulus for doing that.
                                         
                                         And if already in your mind you're imagining, oh my goodness, these balloons of muscle are
                                         
                                         going to get thick, thick, thick, thick.
                                         
                                         And it's just going to spiral out of control.
                                         
    
                                         Don't worry about that. People invest a ton of time and energy into trying to make their muscles larger.
                                         
                                         It's actually much harder for people to do than you might think,
                                         
                                         but I do want to give one exception because it illustrates an important
                                         
                                         principle of where we're headed next.
                                         
                                         Everybody has imbalances in how muscles can grow,
                                         
                                         how well muscles can grow or how poorly or how challenging it is for their muscles to grow.
                                         
                                         Now many people who are afraid of like getting too bulky, for instance, are afraid of lifting
                                         
                                         weights.
                                         
    
                                         But I think the research shows now that everyone of pretty much every age should be doing
                                         
                                         some sort of resistance exercise, even if that's bodyweight exercises in order to offset this age-related decline in muscle contractile ability, muscle
                                         
                                         strength, et cetera, improve bone density.
                                         
                                         There's nothing good about getting frail and weak over time.
                                         
                                         And people who invest the effort into doing resistance exercise of some kind, whether or not it's with bands or with
                                         
                                         weights or with body weight really benefit tremendously at a whole body level, at a systemic
                                         
                                         level, as well as in terms of muscle strength.
                                         
                                         There is a good predictor of how well or how efficient you will be in building the strength
                                         
    
                                         and or if you like the size of a given muscle.
                                         
                                         And it has everything to do with those upper motor neurons that are involved in deliberate
                                         
                                         control of muscle.
                                         
                                         You can actually do this test right now.
                                         
                                         You can just kind of march across your body mentally and see whether or not you can independently
                                         
                                         contract any or all of your muscles.
                                         
                                         So for instance, if you are sitting in a chair or you're standing, see whether or not
                                         
                                         you can contract your calf muscle
                                         
    
                                         just using those upper motor neurons,
                                         
                                         sending a signal down and deliberately
                                         
                                         isolating the calf muscle, okay?
                                         
                                         If you can contract the calf muscle
                                         
                                         hard to the point where that muscle
                                         
                                         almost feels like it's trying to cramp,
                                         
                                         like it hurts just a little bit,
                                         
                                         it might not be extremely painful nor is it going to have no sensation whatsoever.
                                         
    
                                         Chances are you have very good upper motor neuron to calf control.
                                         
                                         And chances are if you can isolate that what they call that brain or mind muscle connection
                                         
                                         and you can contract the muscles to the point where it cramps a little bit, that you hold a decent to high potential to change the strength and the size of that muscle if you train it
                                         
                                         properly.
                                         
                                         Now, if you have a hard time doing that, chances are you won't be able to do that.
                                         
                                         If, for instance, you focus on your back muscle, like we all have these muscles called the
                                         
                                         latissimus dorsi muscles, which basically are involved in
                                         
                                         chin-ups and things like that, but their function from a more of a kinesiology standpoint
                                         
    
                                         is to move the elbow back behind the body.
                                         
                                         It's not about flexing your body, but it's about moving your elbow back behind your body.
                                         
                                         If you can do that mentally or you can do that physical movement of moving your elbow
                                         
                                         back behind your body and you can contract that physical movement of moving your elbow back behind your body,
                                         
                                         and you can contract that muscle hard.
                                         
                                         Chances are that you have the capacity to enhance the strength and or size of that particular
                                         
                                         muscle because you have the neural control of that muscle.
                                         
                                         This is a key feature of the neuromuscular system to appreciate as we begin to talk more
                                         
    
                                         about specific protocols. muscle-hypertrophy, about stimulating muscle growth, is about generating isolated contractions,
                                         
                                         about challenging specific muscles in a very unnatural way.
                                         
                                         Whereas with strength, it's about using musculature as a system, moving weights, moving resistance,
                                         
                                         moving the body.
                                         
                                         The specific muscle growth is a very specific way. Whereas with strength, it's about using musculature as a system, moving weights, moving resistance,
                                         
                                         moving the body.
                                         
                                         The specific goal of hypertrophy is to isolate specific nerve to muscle pathways so that
                                         
                                         you stimulate the chemical and signaling transduction events in muscles so that those muscles respond
                                         
    
                                         by getting larger.
                                         
                                         So there's a critical distinction in terms of getting stronger versus trying to get muscles
                                         
                                         to be larger hypertrophy per se, and it has to do with how much you isolate those muscles.
                                         
                                         Muscle isolation is not a natural phenomenon.
                                         
                                         It's not something that we normally do.
                                         
                                         When we walk, we don't think, okay, right calf contract, left calf contract.
                                         
                                         No, you just generate those rhythmic movements, and of course, there's no reason for them to get stronger
                                         
                                         or larger in response to those movements. Let's say you were to do a kind of
                                         
    
                                         strange experiment of attaching 30-pound weights to your ankles and you were to
                                         
                                         do those movements. Well, if you weren't specifically contracting your calves in
                                         
                                         each step, there's no reasons for the calves to take on the bulk of the work.
                                         
                                         And you would distribute that work across your hip flexors and other aspects of your musculature.
                                         
                                         Your whole nervous system seeks to gain efficiency.
                                         
                                         It seeks to spread out the effort.
                                         
                                         So you can nest this as a principle for yourself, which is if you want to get stronger, it's
                                         
                                         really about moving progressively greater loads or increasing the amount of weight that
                                         
    
                                         you move.
                                         
                                         Whereas if you're specifically interested in generating hypertrophy, it's all about
                                         
                                         trying to generate those really hard, almost painful, localized contractions of muscle.
                                         
                                         Now, of course, how much weight you use in order to generate those contractions will also
                                         
                                         impact hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         But I think most people don't really understand the mind muscle connection. It sounds like a great thing. But it's actually one of the things
                                         
                                         you want to avoid if your goal is simply to become more supple or to become stronger. You
                                         
                                         want to do the movements properly and safely, of course. But it's the opposite of hypertrophy
                                         
    
                                         where with hypertrophy, you're really trying to make that particular muscle, sometimes two muscles, do the majority, if not all the work, whereas in moving
                                         
                                         foreslodes, in trying to generate activity of any kind, like lifting a bar, or doing a chin
                                         
                                         up, or something, those so-called compound movements involve a lot of muscle groups.
                                         
                                         If your goal is to be better at those, you want to avoid isolating and any one particular
                                         
                                         muscle. Now I know this probably comes across as a kind of an obvious duh, especially to the folks
                                         
                                         that have spent a lot of time in the gym aimed at getting hypertrophy, but I think most people don't
                                         
                                         appreciate that it's the nerve-to-muscle connections and the distinction between isolating nerve-to-muscle
                                         
                                         connections versus distributing
                                         
    
                                         the work of nerve to muscle connections that's vital in determining whether or not you generate
                                         
                                         hypertrophy, isolated nerve to muscle contractions versus strength and offsetting strength loss,
                                         
                                         which would be distributed nerve to muscle connections. If ever there was an area of practical science
                                         
                                         that was very confused, very controversial,
                                         
                                         and almost combative at times, it would be this issue of how best to train.
                                         
                                         I suppose the only thing that's even more barbed wire of a conversation than that is
                                         
                                         how best to eat for health.
                                         
                                         Those seem to be the two most common areas of online battle.
                                         
    
                                         And the scientific literature has a lot to say
                                         
                                         about both of those things.
                                         
                                         Again, my sources for what I'm about to tell you
                                         
                                         are Professor Andy Galpin and colleagues.
                                         
                                         I know there are other excellent people out there
                                         
                                         in the field, but I really trust his work.
                                         
                                         He does very controlled studies.
                                         
                                         He spends a lot of time in this space.
                                         
    
                                         And what's really exciting is that in just the last three years
                                         
                                         or so, it's been a tremendous amount of information to come out about the practical steps that
                                         
                                         one can take in order to maximize the benefits of resistance exercise of any kind.
                                         
                                         So I'm going to talk about those and I'm going to talk about the research.
                                         
                                         I will provide some links, both to a couple of the more in-depth tutorials from Dr. Galpin, as well as some of
                                         
                                         the papers that the information I'm about to tell you stems from.
                                         
                                         There's a lot of information saying that you need to move weights that are 80 to 90% of
                                         
                                         your one-rept maximum or 70% or cycle that for three weeks on and then go to more moderate
                                         
    
                                         weights.
                                         
                                         There are a lot of paths, as some people say, there are a lot of ways to add up numbers to get
                                         
                                         100. There's a near infinite number of ways to add up different numbers to get to 100.
                                         
                                         And what's very clear now from all the literature that's transpired, and especially from the literature
                                         
                                         in this last three years, is that once you know roughly your one repetition maximum,
                                         
                                         the maximum amount of weight that you can perform
                                         
                                         an exercise with for one repetition in good form,
                                         
                                         full range of motion, that it's very clear
                                         
    
                                         that moving weights or using bands or using body weight,
                                         
                                         for instance, in the 30 to 80% of one rep maximum, that
                                         
                                         is going to be the most beneficial range in terms of muscle hypertrophy and strength.
                                         
                                         So muscle growth and strength.
                                         
                                         And there will be a bias.
                                         
                                         If you're moving weights that are in the 75% 80% range, or maybe even going above that 85
                                         
                                         and 90%, you're going to bias your improvements towards
                                         
                                         strength gains. This is true. And if you use weights that are in the 30% of your one repetition
                                         
    
                                         maximum or 40% or 50% and doing many more repetitions, of course, then you are biasing towards
                                         
                                         hypertrophy and what some people like to call muscle endurance, but that's a little bit of a
                                         
                                         complicated term because endurance, we almost always think of as relating to running or swimming or some long bouts of activity.
                                         
                                         So 30 to 80% of one repetition maximum, it doesn't really seem to matter for sake of hypertrophy
                                         
                                         except at the far ends when you're really trying to bias for strength.
                                         
                                         Now it is clear, however, that one needs to perform those sets to failure where you can't
                                         
                                         perform another repetition in good form again or near to failure.
                                         
                                         There's all sorts of interesting nomenclature that's popping up all over the internet, some
                                         
    
                                         of which is scientific, some of which is not scientific about how you are supposed to
                                         
                                         perceive how close you were to failure,
                                         
                                         et cetera.
                                         
                                         But there are some very interesting principles that relate to how the nerves connect to the
                                         
                                         muscles that strongly predict whether or not this exercise that you're performing will
                                         
                                         be beneficial for you or not.
                                         
                                         So here's how it goes.
                                         
                                         For individuals that are untrained, meaning they have been doing resistance to exercise
                                         
    
                                         for anywhere from zero
                                         
                                         probably out to about two years, although for some people it might be zero to one
                                         
                                         year, but those are the so-called beginners. They're sort of untrained. For those
                                         
                                         people the key parameter seems to be to perform enough sets of a given
                                         
                                         exercise per muscle per week. The same is also true for people that have been training
                                         
                                         for one or two years or more. What differs is how many sets to perform depending on whether
                                         
                                         not you're trained or untrained. So let's say you're somebody who's been doing some resistance
                                         
                                         exercise kind of on and off over the years and you decide you want to get serious about that
                                         
    
                                         for sake of sport or offsetting age-related declines in strength.
                                         
                                         The range of sets to do in order to improve strength to activate these cascades in the
                                         
                                         muscle ranges anywhere from two believe it or not to 20 per week again these are sets
                                         
                                         per week and they don't necessarily all have to be performed in the same weight training
                                         
                                         session.
                                         
                                         I will talk about numbers of sessions. So it appears that five sets per week
                                         
                                         in this 30% to 80% of the one repetition maximum range,
                                         
                                         getting close to failure, or occasionally actually going
                                         
    
                                         to full muscular failure, which isn't really full muscular
                                         
                                         failure, but the inability to generate a contraction
                                         
                                         of the muscle and move the weight in good form.
                                         
                                         I'll go deeper into that in a moment.
                                         
                                         But about five sets per week is what's required just to maintain your muscle.
                                         
                                         So think about that.
                                         
                                         If you're somebody who's kind of averse to resistance training, you are going to lose muscle
                                         
                                         size and strength.
                                         
    
                                         Your metabolism will drop, your posture will get worse.
                                         
                                         Everything in the context of nerve to muscle connectivity will get worse
                                         
                                         over time unless you are generating five sets or more of this 30% to 80% of your one
                                         
                                         repetition maximum per week. Okay? So what this means is for the typical person who hasn't
                                         
                                         done a lot of weight training, you need to do at least five sets per muscle group. Now that's just to maintain,
                                         
                                         and then there's this huge range that goes all the way up to 15, and in some case 20 sets per week.
                                         
                                         Now how many sets you perform is going to depend on the intensity of the work that you perform.
                                         
                                         This is where it gets a little bit controversial, but I think nowadays most people agree and Dr. Galpin confirmed that 10% not to be confused
                                         
    
                                         with the 10% we discussed earlier, but 10% of the sets of a given workout or 10% of workouts
                                         
                                         overall should be of the high intensity sort where one is actually working to muscular failure.
                                         
                                         Now, I say not true muscular failure because in theory,
                                         
                                         you have a concentric movement, which is the kind of lifting of the weight, and then you have the eccentric portion of muscle contraction,
                                         
                                         which is the lowering. And the eccentric movements because of the way that muscle fibers lengthen and that sliding
                                         
                                         act in myosin that we talked about before, you're always stronger in lowering something than you are in lifting it.
                                         
                                         But the point being that most of your training, most of your sets, should be not to failure.
                                         
                                         And the reason for that is it allows you to do more volume of work without fatiguing
                                         
    
                                         the nervous system and depleting the nerve to muscle connection in ways that are detrimental. So we can make this simple.
                                         
                                         Perform anywhere from 5 to 15 sets of resistance exercise per week, and that's per muscle,
                                         
                                         and that's in this 30 to 80% of what your one repetition maximum.
                                         
                                         That seems to be the most scientifically supported way of offsetting any decline in muscle
                                         
                                         strength, if you're working in the kind of 5-set offsetting any decline in muscle strength, if you're
                                         
                                         working in the kind of five set range, and in increasing muscle strength, when you start
                                         
                                         to get up into the 10 and 15 set range.
                                         
                                         Now the caveat to that is everyone varies, and muscles vary in terms of their recoverability.
                                         
    
                                         Depending on how well you can control the contraction of muscles deliberately, and you can actually
                                         
                                         figure that out by sort of marching, you might take five minutes and just kind of march across
                                         
                                         your body and mentally try and control the contractions of muscles in a very deliberate way to the
                                         
                                         point where you can generate a hard contraction.
                                         
                                         And you may have to move a limb in order to do this by the way.
                                         
                                         I'm not talking about just mentally contracting your bicep without moving your wrist.
                                         
                                         I'm talking about doing that without any weight in hand or any band
                                         
                                         or any resistance. If you can generate a high intensity contraction using these upper
                                         
    
                                         motor neuron to lower motor neuron pathways to muscle, you might think, well, I should
                                         
                                         perform many more sets, right? But actually, the opposite is true. If you can generate high
                                         
                                         intensity muscular contractions using your brain, using your neurons, it will take fewer
                                         
                                         sets in order to stimulate the muscle to maintain itself and to stimulate the muscle in order
                                         
                                         to grow or get stronger. So the more efficient you are in recruiting motor units, remember,
                                         
                                         Heneman's size principle, the recruitment of more motor units, which isn't just
                                         
                                         muscles, it's nerve to muscle connections. The better you are at doing that, the
                                         
                                         more you will recruit these so-called high threshold motor units, the ones that
                                         
    
                                         are hard to get to, the more you will kick off the cascades of things within muscle,
                                         
                                         that stimulate muscle growth and strength.
                                         
                                         So if you have muscles that are challenging to contract, it's going to take more sets
                                         
                                         in order to stimulate the desired effect in those muscles, not fewer.
                                         
                                         If you have muscles that you are very good at generating force within, it's going to
                                         
                                         take fewer sets.
                                         
                                         Now, how many sets you are going to have to determine that?
                                         
                                         It's going to depend. For those of you that are using like 50% of your one repetition maximum,
                                         
    
                                         because you're doing a lot of repetitions, you might find that three or four, five sets will
                                         
                                         maintain the muscle. You might decide to do that once at one point in the week and then do it
                                         
                                         again. Right? So if you're going for 10 sets a week, you can divide that among two sessions. You can do that all in one session.
                                         
                                         The data really show it doesn't matter.
                                         
                                         There are some differences in terms of whether or not you're trying to generate maximum
                                         
                                         intensity within a workout or whether or not you want to spread that out.
                                         
                                         But in general, resistance workouts of any kind tend to be best favored by workouts
                                         
                                         that are somewhere between 45 minutes and 60 minutes.
                                         
    
                                         And generally not longer than 60 minutes because that's when all the things like cortisol
                                         
                                         and some of the inflammatory pathways really start to create a situation in the muscle and
                                         
                                         in the body that's not so great for you.
                                         
                                         So it's not a hard and fast rule, you know, that the ax doesn't drop at 60 minutes, but
                                         
                                         it's pretty clear that performing this five to 15 sets per week, whether or not it's in one workout or whether it's divided
                                         
                                         up across multiple workouts, is really what's going to be most beneficial.
                                         
                                         And please do keep in mind, Hennamann's size principle and the recruitment of motor units
                                         
                                         and remember the better you are at contracting particular muscles and isolating those muscles,
                                         
    
                                         the fewer sets likely you need to do in order to get the desired
                                         
                                         effect.
                                         
                                         Now, what about people who have been training for a while?
                                         
                                         If you're somebody who's been doing weight training for a while, the data point to the
                                         
                                         fact that more volume can be beneficial, even for muscles that you are very efficient at
                                         
                                         contracting.
                                         
                                         Now, the curve on this, the graph on this begins again at about five sets per week for
                                         
                                         maintaining a given muscle group and extends all the way out to 25 or 30 sets per week.
                                         
    
                                         However, there are individuals who, for whatever reason, can generate so much force, they're
                                         
                                         so good at training muscles that they can generate so much force in just four or six
                                         
                                         or eight sets that doing
                                         
                                         this large volume of work is actually going to be counterproductive.
                                         
                                         So everyone needs to figure out for themselves, first of all, how often you're willing to
                                         
                                         do resistance exercise of any kind.
                                         
                                         And again, it doesn't matter if you're using bands or weights or body weight.
                                         
                                         For instance, if you're doing chin ups, chances are, unless you are very strong, that you're
                                         
    
                                         not using weights, you're just using something, chances are, unless you are very strong, that you're not using
                                         
                                         weights.
                                         
                                         You're just using something that you can hold onto.
                                         
                                         Or if you're doing pushups, some of you will be working in that 30 to 80% of your one
                                         
                                         repetition maximum range.
                                         
                                         It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be moving weights in a gym, for instance.
                                         
                                         So the purpose here is to figure out what muscles you're trying to train.
                                         
                                         That's an issue that we'll talk about in a moment.
                                         
    
                                         And then it does appear that somewhere between five and 15 sets per week is going to be
                                         
                                         the thing that's going to work for most people.
                                         
                                         Now this is based on a tremendous amount of work that was done by Andy Galpin and colleagues, Brad Schoenfield and colleagues and others.
                                         
                                         Mike Roberts, there's a huge group of people out there doing exercise physiology
                                         
                                         and a small subset of them that are linking them back to real world protocols that don't
                                         
                                         just pertain to athletes.
                                         
                                         So that's mainly what I'm focusing on today.
                                         
                                         And surely there will be exceptions.
                                         
    
                                         Now if you're going to divide the sets across the week, you're not going to do all 10 sets, for instance,
                                         
                                         for a given muscle group in one session,
                                         
                                         then of course it's imperative that the muscles
                                         
                                         recover in between sessions.
                                         
                                         And we are going to talk about recovery
                                         
                                         both at the systemic level, the whole nervous system,
                                         
                                         and at the local level, the nerve to muscle
                                         
                                         and local even muscle level.
                                         
    
                                         We'll talk about that in about 10 minutes
                                         
                                         when we talk about recovery.
                                         
                                         I do want to
                                         
                                         mention something very important, which is that everything I'm referring to here has to do with
                                         
                                         full range of motion. Okay. And you might ask, well, what about the speeds of movements? This
                                         
                                         is actually turns out to be a really interesting data set for generating explosiveness and speed.
                                         
                                         So for sprinters or throwing sports, or for people that want to generate a lot of jumping power,
                                         
                                         it does appear that learning to move weights as fast as you safely can, especially under moderate to
                                         
    
                                         heavy loads, can increase explosiveness and speed. And most of that effect is from changes in the
                                         
                                         neurons. It's not from changes in the muscle. It's not from changes in the muscle,
                                         
                                         it's from changes in the way that the upper motor neurons
                                         
                                         communicate with the lower motor neurons
                                         
                                         and generating a pathway, a neural circuit, as we call it,
                                         
                                         that is very efficient at generating action potentials,
                                         
                                         which are the electricity within neurons
                                         
                                         to trigger the muscle.
                                         
    
                                         Now, of course, there are events that happen
                                         
                                         from nerve to muscle, but the takeaway
                                         
                                         from that enormous literature, frankly, is that if you want to get faster, yes, it can be
                                         
                                         beneficial to get stronger.
                                         
                                         But if you want to dedicate resistance training specifically to jumping higher, to running
                                         
                                         faster, to throwing further and these sorts of things, that learning to generate force with increasing speed
                                         
                                         is going to be beneficial.
                                         
                                         On the flip side of that, for people that want to get stronger,
                                         
    
                                         it appears that the slowing down of the weight
                                         
                                         as things get harder is a key parameter
                                         
                                         in recruiting those high threshold motor units.
                                         
                                         So let me phrase that a little bit differently.
                                         
                                         Think about a set in the gym or think about a set of pushups
                                         
                                         or a set of pullups.
                                         
                                         Initially, you can move very fast, if you like.
                                         
                                         If you want to generate hypertrophy,
                                         
    
                                         the goal really is not necessarily to move super slow,
                                         
                                         but to isolate the muscle and therefore not
                                         
                                         to use momentum, rather than lift weights, as they say,
                                         
                                         challenge muscles.
                                         
                                         If you want to get stronger, you're
                                         
                                         going to be distributing that effort over more muscles
                                         
                                         and more of your nervous system.
                                         
                                         For generating explosiveness and speed, it's very clear that learning to generate forces
                                         
    
                                         quickly and to move heavy or moderately heavy loads quickly is going to be beneficial because
                                         
                                         of the way that you train the motor neurons.
                                         
                                         And of course, changes in the muscle.
                                         
                                         But this could look different for different sports,
                                         
                                         and obviously you want to make safety paramount.
                                         
                                         If you're injured, you're not going to be able to train at all
                                         
                                         for sport or for any purpose that is.
                                         
                                         And so what this would involve is something like 60 to 75%
                                         
    
                                         of a one repetition maximum, and then in a controlled way,
                                         
                                         moving that as quickly as one can throughout the entire set,
                                         
                                         and certainly not going to failure because
                                         
                                         as you approach failure the inability to move the weight with good form the weight inevitably
                                         
                                         slows down.
                                         
                                         In fact, there are a lot of new technologies now that are focused on informing people
                                         
                                         of how quickly the bar or weight is moving.
                                         
                                         I saw an advertisement for this the other day.
                                         
    
                                         There are things that people can attach to bars that will literally speak to you as you're doing a set
                                         
                                         and inform you whether or not you're moving
                                         
                                         four times more slowly per rep than you were at the beginning
                                         
                                         and trying to hone in on the exact speed of movement.
                                         
                                         In talking to these experts prior to this episode,
                                         
                                         it does appear that for sake of hypertrophy,
                                         
                                         as long as you're not moving the muscle so quickly
                                         
                                         that you start to distribute the effort to lots
                                         
    
                                         of other muscles, it doesn't really matter.
                                         
                                         Because as the set gets harder,
                                         
                                         the motor units that you recruit will increase,
                                         
                                         the number of neurons that you recruit
                                         
                                         and the number of muscle fibers,
                                         
                                         in which are these high threshold muscle fibers
                                         
                                         will increase.
                                         
                                         And so it's really only for purposes of hypertrophy
                                         
    
                                         that you really need to be concerned about how quickly the weight is slowing down.
                                         
                                         However, if you're trying to get faster, more explosive and generate more speed
                                         
                                         and jumping power, throwing power, things of that sort, you never really want to
                                         
                                         use a weight or get to a portion of the set where you're moving the bar very, very
                                         
                                         slowly. And I'm sure as I say that, some of the exercise physiologists and advanced trainers out there
                                         
                                         will come after me with pitchforks, which is fine.
                                         
                                         I'd love to see the literature that shows that low-gear slow movements with very heavy
                                         
                                         weights can indeed improve explosiveness.
                                         
    
                                         And that may in fact be the case, but the data that I was able to access was essentially
                                         
                                         as I described just a moment ago. So as you're probably starting to realize, you need to customize a resistance practice
                                         
                                         for your particular needs and goals.
                                         
                                         And I certainly am not the first to suggest that people periodize their training, that they
                                         
                                         do things from anywhere from one month to six months and to see how it goes and to make
                                         
                                         modifications as they go.
                                         
                                         Because the nervous system, in particular the neuromuscular
                                         
                                         system, changes very quickly at the beginning of training. In fact, some of the changes that
                                         
    
                                         one can see when they first embrace or start a resistance training can be very remarkable,
                                         
                                         but they tend to slow over time. So we've talked about a few principles. The fact that you
                                         
                                         need to get sufficient volume, you need at least five sets to maintain and you probably need about 10 sets per muscle group in order to
                                         
                                         improve muscle. That moving weights of moderate to moderately heavy weight quickly is going
                                         
                                         to be best for explosiveness. That isolating muscles and really contracting muscles hard,
                                         
                                         something that you can test by just when you're outside the training session, seeing
                                         
                                         whether or not you can cramp the muscle hard, will really, will tell you your capacity
                                         
                                         to improve hypertrophy or to engage
                                         
    
                                         strength changes in that muscle.
                                         
                                         That your ability to contract a muscle hard
                                         
                                         is inversely related to the number of sets
                                         
                                         that you should do in order to isolate
                                         
                                         and stimulate that muscle.
                                         
                                         And there are some other things
                                         
                                         that can enhance the whole process
                                         
                                         of building nerve to muscle
                                         
    
                                         connections, making them more efficient and generating, if you like, more strength and
                                         
                                         hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         One of them, I loathed to say, I was told, is in between set contractions.
                                         
                                         The other name for this is the people in the gym, typically, seem to be guys in the gym, flexing their muscles
                                         
                                         in between sets.
                                         
                                         And indeed, the research supports the fact that contractions of about 30 seconds in between
                                         
                                         the actual work sets, they're not going to favor better performance on the work sets.
                                         
                                         If anything, they're going to compromise them, but those hard contractions in between sets
                                         
    
                                         for a variety of reasons related
                                         
                                         to local muscle metabolism, as well as what we talked about before, which are stress tension
                                         
                                         and damage.
                                         
                                         They seem to improve stress tension and damage and the nerve to muscle contraction in ways
                                         
                                         that facilitate hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         In other words, if you see that person flexing in between sets in the gym, provided that
                                         
                                         they're really isolating that muscle and provided
                                         
                                         it's one that they ought to be improving.
                                         
    
                                         Not one of these people that always skips leg day type of people, these people are highly
                                         
                                         asymmetric.
                                         
                                         Although that's up to them, that process of flexing in between sets does seem to improve the
                                         
                                         nerve to muscle connection and enhance hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         And I say I was low to say it because nowadays with phones,
                                         
                                         it seems like the end of every set includes a selfie.
                                         
                                         And it's sort of like the 11th rep of every set.
                                         
                                         I like to joke.
                                         
    
                                         It seems like very few people are capable of actually going into the gym
                                         
                                         and doing a workout without taking a picture themselves,
                                         
                                         which I think is fine if that's your thing.
                                         
                                         Although I must say that the athletes that I know, and even the recreational athletes
                                         
                                         that I know who seem to get the most out of their training and who also seem to get the
                                         
                                         most out of other aspects of their life, seem to be able to control their phone behavior
                                         
                                         both in the gym and outside of the gym.
                                         
                                         But that's more of an editorial point there.
                                         
    
                                         In an earlier episode, I talked about estrogen and testosterone and during that discussion, I talked about the use of resistance exercise specifically for increasing testosterone, both
                                         
                                         in men and in women.
                                         
                                         And indeed, that is a powerful effect of resistance exercise.
                                         
                                         And indeed, it's mediated by the nerve to muscle connections.
                                         
                                         We talked about that in that earlier episode.
                                         
                                         I just want to briefly mention that protocol since it's distinctly different from the other protocols I've talked
                                         
                                         about today. The protocols I've talked about today thus far of explosive movements or of hypertrophy
                                         
                                         based training provided the training is 60 minutes or less. We'll cause increases in serum testosterone that's been shown over and over again.
                                         
    
                                         And if the session extends too long past 75 minutes and is of sufficiently high intensity,
                                         
                                         chances are testosterone levels will start to drop and cortisol levels will go up in
                                         
                                         ways that could be detrimental to recovery and the goals of the training.
                                         
                                         But that's different than training that specifically geared toward
                                         
                                         increasing testosterone. Duncan French, who's one of the directors of the UFC Performance Center,
                                         
                                         when he was a graduate student at University of Connecticut stores, did some beautiful work.
                                         
                                         He and his colleagues found the ideal training protocols for stimulating testosterone release,
                                         
                                         which is something that many people want to do for a variety of reasons.
                                         
    
                                         And that involved doing six sets of 10 repetitions, even if it requires lightening the weight on one set to the next,
                                         
                                         with about two minutes, 120 seconds rest in between sets, which if you think about it is pretty short rest and is pretty darn hard work.
                                         
                                         Now what's interesting is that there's a very limited threshold
                                         
                                         for increasing testosterone.
                                         
                                         That protocol of six sets of 10 repetitions
                                         
                                         led to these big increases in serum testosterone,
                                         
                                         but if people did 10 sets of 10, so just four more repetitions per set,
                                         
                                         then testosterone did not increase.
                                         
    
                                         In fact, you got more of this catabolic cortisol-like pathway.
                                         
                                         You get other benefits from the so-called 10 sets of 10 protocol, but not the testosterone
                                         
                                         increase and maybe even reductions in testosterone.
                                         
                                         Now, it's important to point out that that six sets of 10 was done with big compound movements,
                                         
                                         so things like squats or deadlifts or chin ups or things of that sort.
                                         
                                         And those were done as single sessions, not in concert with a bunch of other exercise.
                                         
                                         Although if athletes are doing that, there's no reason why they couldn't also do other types
                                         
                                         of training elsewhere in the week.
                                         
    
                                         I asked Duncan about this and he mentioned that that done twice a week is probably the maximum
                                         
                                         amount that anyone
                                         
                                         could do that and still maintain this increase in testosterone. It's a very interesting protocol because
                                         
                                         as a neuroscientist, it's amazing to me that six sets of 10 repetitions with something
                                         
                                         causes a distinctly different result in terms of hormone output than tensets of 10 of the exact same movement.
                                         
                                         And it speaks to the exquisite way in which nerve-to-muscle connections dictate the whole
                                         
                                         physiology of your entire system.
                                         
                                         If there's a theme that I really want to bring forward today is that weight training or
                                         
    
                                         resistance training of any kind is really used for either systemic
                                         
                                         effects, right?
                                         
                                         10% of training done where you're feeling that burn, which means lactate will be present
                                         
                                         and sending signals to your brain and your heart and to your liver that are beneficial,
                                         
                                         or isolating muscles, which may also generate a kind of a lactate, which is associated
                                         
                                         with the burn result, but that isolation of muscles is distinctly
                                         
                                         different.
                                         
                                         So systemic versus isolated.
                                         
    
                                         Those are the two general ways in which resistance training can be applied.
                                         
                                         So I just wanted to mention that earlier protocol because it's well supported by the literature.
                                         
                                         If you were to incorporate that protocol, you might ask, well, then can you do any other
                                         
                                         weight training during the week?
                                         
                                         And sure, of course, you can provided your recovering.
                                         
                                         So let's talk about how you know if you're recovering, how you know if a muscle is recovered
                                         
                                         and how you know if your whole system is recovered because recovery is what dictates whether
                                         
                                         or not you can come back and do more work of a different kind, meaning, I don't know,
                                         
    
                                         you do a leg training one day, can you and should you come back and do upper body training
                                         
                                         the next day,
                                         
                                         and it dictates whether or not you'll see any improvement
                                         
                                         from session to session at all.
                                         
                                         Before I talk about recovery, I just wanna make sure
                                         
                                         I nail down the details that I was able to extract
                                         
                                         from the literature and from my conversation
                                         
                                         with Dr. Galpin.
                                         
    
                                         If you're wondering how quickly to perform repetitions
                                         
                                         for sake of hypertrophy or strength gains,
                                         
                                         anywhere from a half a second
                                         
                                         per repetition all the way up to eight seconds per repetition. It doesn't seem to matter.
                                         
                                         Again, if you're thinking about explosiveness or building speed or you're specifically
                                         
                                         using resistance training to build endurance, that's a separate matter. We talked about explosiveness
                                         
                                         and speed. I'll talk about endurance in a few moments. We also talked about in-between set contractions, so-called selfie effect, of people flexing a
                                         
                                         particular muscle, isolating a particular muscle between sets.
                                         
    
                                         Just want to mention that would be a terrible thing to do if your goal is performance on
                                         
                                         sets, so moving a particular amount of weight.
                                         
                                         That's actually going to diminish the amount of weight that you can move.
                                         
                                         It's going to enhance muscle growth, and it's going to diminish the amount of weight that you can move. It's going to enhance muscle growth
                                         
                                         and it's going to enhance the nerve to muscle isolation
                                         
                                         of that particular pathway.
                                         
                                         So again, that flexing between sets
                                         
                                         is going to favor hypertrophy, not performance.
                                         
    
                                         If you're trying to get stronger,
                                         
                                         you're trying to move more weights,
                                         
                                         you're trying to distribute work
                                         
                                         and you're trying to do maybe skill training with resistance,
                                         
                                         then flexing between sets is absolutely the wrong thing to do for obvious reasons. You're fatiguing
                                         
                                         the muscle further. Just remaining still or walking around a little bit has been shown to be beneficial.
                                         
                                         In terms of moving some of the lactate out of the muscle as well as just recovering between sets.
                                         
                                         Now, how long to recover between sets? There's a question for the testosterone protocol. Duncan Franchion colleagues found that it was about two minutes keeping that really
                                         
    
                                         on the clock, two minutes, not longer. For hypertrophy and for strength gains, it does seem that
                                         
                                         resting anywhere from two minutes, or even three or four, or even five or six minutes can be
                                         
                                         beneficial. And if you're interested in expanding the volume of work that you can do in a given session
                                         
                                         at high capacity, at high intensity with a given weight, please see the episode that I did on cold
                                         
                                         and performance about supercharging performance, which is based on the work of my colleague Craig Heller
                                         
                                         in the biology department at Stanford, which talks about palm or cooling, about how you can
                                         
                                         cool the core of the body best through the palms using these particular venous portals that are only present in your hands.
                                         
                                         People are now doing this with ice packs or with gel packs.
                                         
    
                                         There are a number of different ways one can do this.
                                         
                                         I talk all about that in that episode.
                                         
                                         It allows you to do more repetitions and more work at a given weight over time.
                                         
                                         So rather than getting 10 repetitions and then eight
                                         
                                         and then seven and then six,
                                         
                                         through proper use of polymer cooling,
                                         
                                         one can do 10, 10, 10, 10 and even add sets.
                                         
                                         That's one way that one can accomplish higher volume work
                                         
    
                                         without having to drop the weight considerably.
                                         
                                         So that's where you can hit that really sweet spot
                                         
                                         if that's your goal of getting strong
                                         
                                         and generating some hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         Because as soon as you have to drop to lighter weights, excuse me, then you're shifting more
                                         
                                         towards hypertrophy and endurance and less toward strength in the given muscles.
                                         
                                         So check out that episode.
                                         
                                         The last thing besides between set contractions and whether or not you're distributing work
                                         
    
                                         or whether or not you're really trying to isolate muscles is this notion of pre-exhausting muscles.
                                         
                                         It's been shown over and over again that for instance if you want to generate force in
                                         
                                         a given muscle and really isolate that doing the isolation work before a compound movement.
                                         
                                         So this would be you know like extensions, the thing where you sit and you extend your
                                         
                                         toes up toward the ceiling. Leg extensions before squats will allow the squats to target that muscle group more effectively.
                                         
                                         And that makes perfectly good sense based on the Heneman size principle and fatiguing motor
                                         
                                         units. It should be obvious why that's the case. But of course, that's going to be anti-performance
                                         
                                         in terms of how much weight you can lift and maybe even the form that you can maintain when
                                         
    
                                         you move to the bigger compound movement.
                                         
                                         So you really have to ask yourself a number of questions. How good are you at isolating a given muscle?
                                         
                                         Therefore, how many sets do you want to do? How often are you willing to train?
                                         
                                         Therefore, how many sets are you going to do in a given session versus how many are you going to distribute across the week?
                                         
                                         Are you aiming for performance? Are you going to distribute that work
                                         
                                         across the nervous system and musculature?
                                         
                                         Are you trying to move weights
                                         
                                         or are you trying to challenge muscles?
                                         
    
                                         If you're trying to challenge muscles,
                                         
                                         then you really want to focus on things
                                         
                                         like this pre-exhausting the isolation of a muscle
                                         
                                         before the compound movement.
                                         
                                         Your performance on compound movements
                                         
                                         will absolutely suffer,
                                         
                                         but your ability to isolate that muscle and generate hypertrophy through
                                         
                                         the accumulation of larger miose and those bigger balloons will benefit.
                                         
    
                                         And once again, if you're trying to get faster, then the speed of the movement really matters.
                                         
                                         So how do we know if we've recovered?
                                         
                                         How can we test recovery?
                                         
                                         And this is not just recovery from resistance training.
                                         
                                         This is recovery from running, recovery from swimming.
                                         
                                         Up until now, I've been talking about resistance training more or less in a vacuum. I haven't even touched
                                         
                                         on the fact that many people are running and they're doing resistance training or they're
                                         
                                         swimming and they're doing resistance training. It's not simply the case that if a given muscle
                                         
    
                                         is fatigued, you can just work other muscles because even if you've beautifully isolated
                                         
                                         a muscle, let's say you have incredible
                                         
                                         abilities to isolate just your quadriceps, for instance, and you do a workout where you
                                         
                                         isolate your quadriceps, you do your six sets of intense work or maybe use pulmonary cooling
                                         
                                         and you're able to do 12 sets of intense work and you're done.
                                         
                                         And that muscle group, the next day is certainly not going to be recovered unless you're somebody
                                         
                                         who's extraordinary at recovery or you're enhancing your recovery through chemical
                                         
                                         means, which we will talk about at the end.
                                         
    
                                         Well, you can assess systemic recovery, meaning your nervous system and your nervous system's
                                         
                                         ability to generate force, both distributed and isolated, through three main tests. And fortunately, these tests are very simple
                                         
                                         and two of them are essentially zero cost
                                         
                                         required, no equipment.
                                         
                                         HRV, heart rate variability,
                                         
                                         has made its way finally into the forefront
                                         
                                         of exercise physiology and even into the popular discussion.
                                         
                                         I've talked about HRV before,
                                         
    
                                         how when we exhale,
                                         
                                         our heart rate slows down because of the way
                                         
                                         that our diaphragm is connected to our heart
                                         
                                         and to our brain and the way our brain is connected
                                         
                                         to our heart.
                                         
                                         Excuse me, when we inhale, our heart rate speeds up,
                                         
                                         and that is the basis of heart rate variability.
                                         
                                         Heart rate variability is good.
                                         
    
                                         It means that you're breathing properly,
                                         
                                         and when I say it's good, it means you want
                                         
                                         a lot of heart rate variability.
                                         
                                         You don't want a heart rate that is high or low consistently over time. That might come
                                         
                                         as a bit of a surprise for your endurance athletes who probably are trying to accomplish
                                         
                                         your endurance work with at a steady cadence and really hit that nice sweet spot where
                                         
                                         you're breathing rhythmically, your heart rate's going rhythmically, you're in that steady
                                         
                                         heart rate. And then away from exercise, you have a nice low heart rate as they say.
                                         
    
                                         Well, nice low heart rate isn't necessarily always so nice.
                                         
                                         Turns out that introducing bouts of increasing your heart rate during exercise and even through
                                         
                                         your waking day through stressful events, even is provided their brief is beneficial.
                                         
                                         A good nerve to heart system benefits from being able to increase heart rate and
                                         
                                         decrease heart rate. Heart rate variability is good. So you don't want high heart rate,
                                         
                                         you don't want low heart rate all the time. But heart rate variability is difficult for a
                                         
                                         lot of people to measure. There are some devices that will allow you to do that.
                                         
                                         Various watches and devices. There are more devices becoming available all the time.
                                         
    
                                         Hopefully soon some that are
                                         
                                         integrated with your phone that involve no contact or anything on your body. But those do carry some
                                         
                                         cost and they are not perfect yet. The measures of heart rate variability that one can use while
                                         
                                         in movement are still in the phase, I would say, of technology development where everyone isn't using
                                         
                                         them. Let's leave it at that.
                                         
                                         There are two measures, however, whether or not you recovered that you can use first thing
                                         
                                         in the morning when you wake up, maybe after 5-10 minutes if you like, but ideally right
                                         
                                         when you wake up in order to assess how well recovered you are and therefore whether or
                                         
    
                                         not you should train your whole system at all that day.
                                         
                                         The first one is grip strength.
                                         
                                         Grip strength, the ability to generate force at the level of squeezing the fist
                                         
                                         or squeezing down on something
                                         
                                         might seem like kind of a trivial way to assess recovery,
                                         
                                         but it's not because it relates to your ability
                                         
                                         to use your upper motor neurons
                                         
                                         to control your lower motor neurons
                                         
    
                                         and to generate isolated force.
                                         
                                         And so that's really what you're assessing when you do that.
                                         
                                         Some people will use one of these grip tools
                                         
                                         or there's a Costello has this toy that shaped like a donut
                                         
                                         and it's this hard rubber.
                                         
                                         And I've tried this before.
                                         
                                         If I've been working really hard, not sleeping very well
                                         
                                         or I've been training a lot,
                                         
    
                                         any one or combination of those things,
                                         
                                         my grip suffers.
                                         
                                         I can't actually squeeze that thing down
                                         
                                         as much as I can, Costello because he was born with a,
                                         
                                         like a 24 inch neck and even though he's never touched
                                         
                                         a weight, somehow he can just clamp down on that thing
                                         
                                         and it just, you know, he can turn into a pancake with ease
                                         
                                         and he likes to chuckle while I struggle with this thing.
                                         
    
                                         But on a good day, I can squeeze this thing
                                         
                                         so that I eliminate the hole in the doughnut, so to speak.
                                         
                                         You can also take a floor weight and excuse me, a floor scale and squeeze the scale and
                                         
                                         see how much force you can generate.
                                         
                                         I would do that as a baseline to establish what you can do when you're well rested.
                                         
                                         Then if you do that in the morning, you can see whether or not you're able to generate
                                         
                                         the same amount of force, or you could use over the rubber donut or something.
                                         
                                         A lot of this is very subjective with the scale.
                                         
    
                                         You're really trying to assess whether or not you can generate the rubber donut or something. A lot of this is very subjective with the scale. You're really trying to assess whether or not
                                         
                                         you can generate the same amount of force.
                                         
                                         If you start seeing a 10% or 20% certainly reduction in that,
                                         
                                         that's concerning.
                                         
                                         It means that your nervous system as a whole,
                                         
                                         it's not necessarily fatigued.
                                         
                                         It's that the pathways from nerve to muscle
                                         
                                         are still in the process of rewiring themselves
                                         
    
                                         in order to generate
                                         
                                         force.
                                         
                                         And you might think, well, I trained one muscle group one day.
                                         
                                         Why am I having a hard time doing this for a completely different muscle group?
                                         
                                         Doesn't make any sense.
                                         
                                         But there's something about the upper motor neuron to lower motor neuron pathway generally
                                         
                                         that allows you to use something like grip strength as a kind of a thermometer, if you
                                         
                                         will, of your ability to recover.
                                         
    
                                         So look for your ability to generate force in grip when you first wake up.
                                         
                                         It's not going to be as good as it is at 3pm after a cup of coffee and a couple meals,
                                         
                                         but the point isn't performance overall.
                                         
                                         The point is to assess whether or not you're getting better, worse, or the same from day
                                         
                                         to day.
                                         
                                         The other one that's really terrific and the Andy Galpins group is using, and I'm delighted
                                         
                                         about this because it relates
                                         
                                         to something that my lab is very excited about as well,
                                         
    
                                         is carbon dioxide tolerance.
                                         
                                         So this is a really interesting tool
                                         
                                         that endurance athletes, strength athletes,
                                         
                                         I think can all benefit from.
                                         
                                         In fact, athletes and people of all kinds,
                                         
                                         even if you're not an athlete,
                                         
                                         even if you're not exercising at all,
                                         
                                         there's a good question of whether or not
                                         
    
                                         your system as a whole is doing okay
                                         
                                         or not. You know, we rely on the thermometer. Do we have a fever or not? We rely on subjective things,
                                         
                                         you know, do I feel good or not? Am I digesting well or not? Those are all subjective. The
                                         
                                         carbon dioxide tolerance test is it's objective in that it measures your capacity to engage the
                                         
                                         so-called parasympathetic arm of your nervous system
                                         
                                         Which is the calming aspect of your nervous system and it measures your ability to consciously control a particular skeletal muscle
                                         
                                         Which is your diaphragm so here's how you do the carbon dioxide tolerance test you wake up in the morning
                                         
                                         If you have to use the restroom first do that
                                         
    
                                         But try and stay away from your phone
                                         
                                         Try and if you have your phone put on airplane mode,
                                         
                                         go to the timer or use a hand watch or some other way of measuring time. Stay off social media for
                                         
                                         just a few seconds. It'll be okay. And what you're going to do is you're going to inhale through
                                         
                                         your nose as deeply as you can. You can do this lying down sitting, you know, sitting whatever.
                                         
                                         Inhale through your nose and then exhale all the way.
                                         
                                         So that's one.
                                         
                                         You're gonna repeat that four times, okay?
                                         
    
                                         So inhale, exhale.
                                         
                                         Inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale,
                                         
                                         inhale, exhale four times.
                                         
                                         And ideally, you're inhaling through the nose
                                         
                                         and you're exhaling through the mouth.
                                         
                                         That's just the beginning of this carbon dioxide tolerance test. Then you take a fifth inhale as deep as you can
                                         
                                         through your nose. Fill your lungs as much as you can and if you can try and expand
                                         
                                         your make your stomach go out while you do that, that means that your diaphragm is
                                         
    
                                         really engaged. So you're inhaling as much as you possibly can. Then hit the timer
                                         
                                         and your goal is to release that air as slowly as possible
                                         
                                         through your mouth. So it looks like you have a tiny tiny little straw in your mouth and you're
                                         
                                         letting it go as slowly as you possibly can. Measure what we call the carbon dioxide blowoff time or discard rate.
                                         
                                         I know you can all sit with lunges empty after you eliminate all that error, but don't
                                         
                                         lie to yourself. Don't stop the timer when you've been sitting with your lungs empty for a while.
                                         
                                         Stop the timer when you are finally no longer able to exhale any more air.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
    
                                         So for so you do inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, slowly.
                                         
                                         I just said it quickly for a sake of time.
                                         
                                         Then you do this fifth big inhale through your mouth.
                                         
                                         And then, and I'm not going to do it for the full duration.
                                         
                                         And then you're measuring that time. Your carbon dioxide discard rate will be somewhere
                                         
                                         between one second and presumably two minutes.
                                         
                                         Two minutes would be a heroic carbon dioxide discard time.
                                         
                                         30 seconds would be more typical.
                                         
    
                                         20 seconds would be fast.
                                         
                                         If your carbon dioxide discard time is 20 or 25 seconds or less, you are not
                                         
                                         necessarily recovered from your previous days activities. Okay, there's ways to
                                         
                                         push through this, but hold on to that thought for a moment. If your carbon
                                         
                                         dioxide discard time is somewhere between about 30 seconds and 60 seconds. You are in what we would call
                                         
                                         kind of the green zone where you are in a position to do more physical work.
                                         
                                         And if your carbon dioxide discard time is somewhere between 65 and 120 seconds,
                                         
                                         well then you have almost certainly recovered your nervous system. I'm not
                                         
    
                                         talking about the individual muscles, but your nervous system is prepared to do more work.
                                         
                                         And Andy's lab has great data on this as it relates to exercise physiology. I think that
                                         
                                         story should be out in the not too distant future. My lab has been using carbon dioxide
                                         
                                         discard time to look at anxiety and recovery from bouts of anxiety. So two totally independent projects, but using the same measure.
                                         
                                         So you've got HRV, which requires some technology usually.
                                         
                                         You've got grip strength, which you can assess subjectively, or you can use a floor scale.
                                         
                                         And now you have carbon dioxide tolerance.
                                         
                                         You want to do this in the morning when you wake up.
                                         
    
                                         And keep track, just write down in a little book
                                         
                                         or maybe just keep track in your mind
                                         
                                         of your carbon dioxide discard time.
                                         
                                         If you find that your discard times are dropping,
                                         
                                         even if they're in the 42nd range or 52nd range,
                                         
                                         but normally you can do 75 seconds or 120 seconds.
                                         
                                         If they're starting to drop by anywhere from 15 to 20%,
                                         
                                         you're veering in the direction of not recovering.
                                         
    
                                         And I'm really keen on this tool because everybody has
                                         
                                         different recovery abilities.
                                         
                                         Some people are eating really well and sleeping really well.
                                         
                                         Some people have minimal stress or can buffer stress really well.
                                         
                                         Other people, you know, they dissolve into a puddle of tears if they read one, you know,
                                         
                                         text message that's troubling or whatever. And I realize, and I say that was sympathy, I realize into a puddle of tears if they read one, you know, text message that's troubling or whatever.
                                         
                                         You know, and I realize, and I say that was sympathy.
                                         
                                         I realize people have varying levels of stress and demand in their life.
                                         
    
                                         It's just impossible to prescribe an entire protocol that says, okay, yes, you should train
                                         
                                         today.
                                         
                                         And this is exactly what you should do.
                                         
                                         No, you shouldn't use carbon dioxide, discard rate, because a, it's valuable.
                                         
                                         It's informative, B, it's zero cost and C, it's something
                                         
                                         you can track objectively over time.
                                         
                                         And that's really the key.
                                         
                                         And I just should, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that what carbon dioxide discard rate
                                         
    
                                         is tapping into is your ability to mechanically control your diaphragm.
                                         
                                         Certainly, that's one aspect of it. But that relates in a very direct way to your ability
                                         
                                         to put the break on your stress system,
                                         
                                         to engage the so-called parasympathetic or calming arm
                                         
                                         of your autonomic nervous system.
                                         
                                         And another thing that Andy Galpins group is testing
                                         
                                         is at the offset of training after your run,
                                         
                                         after your weight training session,
                                         
    
                                         maybe even after your plymetrics
                                         
                                         session, we didn't really talk about jumping and throwing and that sort of thing.
                                         
                                         Maybe we'll talk about it in a future episode, but they and other groups, including some
                                         
                                         elite athletes and other groups that are very interested in physical performance, are
                                         
                                         using a tool where they deliberately disengage for five minutes
                                         
                                         at the end of training.
                                         
                                         They deliberately engage this calming or parasympathetic arm of the nervous system.
                                         
                                         And you can do that through any number of different tools.
                                         
    
                                         I'm a big fan of respiration tools because they're always available to you.
                                         
                                         Your breathing is always there.
                                         
                                         I talk about some of these tools in previous episodes, but you could use things like non-sleep deep rest and SDR at the end of a training session. You could do 10 physiological
                                         
                                         size, double inhales through the nose, followed by long exhales that will definitely engage
                                         
                                         the parasympathetic nervous system at the end of training. So rather than finish your
                                         
                                         training session and then just hop onto your phone, serious athletes and people who are serious about recovery initiate
                                         
                                         that recovery at the very end of their training and they start to kickstart that recovery process
                                         
                                         rather and they measure CO2 tolerance in the morning.
                                         
    
                                         So there are several groups that are doing that.
                                         
                                         In fact, I know several groups because I'm working with them that are using physiological
                                         
                                         size between sets in order to recover their nervous system
                                         
                                         and maintain nerve-to-muscle contractability,
                                         
                                         maintain focus throughout their training session,
                                         
                                         enhance their focus by doing a few physiological size.
                                         
                                         So double inhale, exhale, in between sets.
                                         
                                         So they're getting very focused and very intense
                                         
    
                                         about their strength work or explosiveness work
                                         
                                         or muscle isolation work during their sets.
                                         
                                         And then in between sets, they're deliberately disengaging the nervous system and then they're re-engaging
                                         
                                         it again.
                                         
                                         I just wanted to emphasize that.
                                         
                                         Recovery is a complex process.
                                         
                                         It's got a lot of things, but the CO2 tolerance test should be a valuable tool.
                                         
                                         Another tool for recovery that people are very excited about is the use of cold and the
                                         
    
                                         ice bath. And this is important.
                                         
                                         If you are somebody who uses cold through cold shower or ice bath or jumping in a lake
                                         
                                         or a river, whatever it is that you use to generate cold as a recovery tool, you should
                                         
                                         be aware that there are data starting to emerge that if your goal is recovery or strength
                                         
                                         improvements, using cold within the four hours following a workout.
                                         
                                         I'm not saying about polymer cooling.
                                         
                                         I'm talking about whole body cooling or cooling from the neck down.
                                         
                                         Yes, it will reduce inflammation.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, it will reduce the amount of delayed onset muscle soreness, one readout of how intense
                                         
                                         or damaging a given workout was, not the only readout.
                                         
                                         But it does seem to interfere with some of the things like mTOR pathways, the mammalian target of rapamycin pathway, and other pathways related to inflammation
                                         
                                         that promote muscle repair. Remember, and muscle growth. Remember, stress, tension, and damage
                                         
                                         are the stimulus for nerve to muscle connections to change and for muscles to get bigger,
                                         
                                         stronger, and better. And so if you're getting into the ice bath after training or taking a really cold shower
                                         
                                         after doing resistance training, you are likely short circuiting the improvements that you're
                                         
                                         trying to create.
                                         
    
                                         Now athletes who are trying to recover quickly so that they can get back into more training
                                         
                                         sessions, or let's say you're somebody who doesn't really want to gain much strength
                                         
                                         or hypertrophy and you're mainly focused on endurance
                                         
                                         and you want to do more endurance work and you've been weight training, well then exposing yourself
                                         
                                         to cold can be beneficial, but you're not going to get as great of benefits from the resistance training.
                                         
                                         In other words, cold after resistance training seems to short-circuit some of the benefits of
                                         
                                         that resistance training. There are some other things that can short-circuit the benefits of that resistance training. There are some other things that can short circuit the benefits of resistance training as well.
                                         
                                         One of those is anti-histamines.
                                         
    
                                         Some interesting data were published recently,
                                         
                                         I believe it was in scientific reports, yes,
                                         
                                         that showed that anti-histamines can prevent
                                         
                                         some of the benefits of cardiovascular exercise
                                         
                                         of endurance type work,
                                         
                                         so running swimming of fairly long duration or even sprint type work, running, swimming, fairly long duration
                                         
                                         or even sprint type work, as well as inhibit some of the processes associated with resistance
                                         
                                         training.
                                         
    
                                         Remember resistance training or endurance training, that's a stimulus for stress and the
                                         
                                         adaptation to that stress is how you get better that you can run further faster, lift more
                                         
                                         weight, hypertrophy, the muscle, etc.
                                         
                                         So anti-histamines can be a problem.
                                         
                                         Obviously, don't compromise your ability to breathe completely,
                                         
                                         but anti-histamines generally work by blocking what are called mast cells.
                                         
                                         M-A-S-T, mast cells are really interesting cells that we'll talk about in our month
                                         
                                         on neuroimmune function.
                                         
    
                                         They travel in the bloodstream and they're these little packets that burst open
                                         
                                         at sites of inflammation.
                                         
                                         Muscle damage and inflammation is a signal that something needs to change.
                                         
                                         And so, taking into histamines, it appears, can disrupt some of that inflammatory process.
                                         
                                         So you actually want inflammation during and immediately after a workout, then you want
                                         
                                         to bring inflammation down later.
                                         
                                         And I'll mention how to do that.
                                         
                                         The other thing are non steroid anti-inflammatory drugs.
                                         
    
                                         You know their trade names.
                                         
                                         These are pain killers that many people take.
                                         
                                         Those, as I've mentioned in a previous episode,
                                         
                                         can interfere with the benefits of endurance training
                                         
                                         and the benefits of resistance training.
                                         
                                         In addition to that, they block pain signals.
                                         
                                         And pain is a very good signal
                                         
                                         that you might be doing something wrong.
                                         
    
                                         And so while nobody likes to be in pain,
                                         
                                         I suppose there are probably a few people out there
                                         
                                         like to be in pain, but that's a different story,
                                         
                                         but nobody likes to be in pain,
                                         
                                         the non-steroid anti-inflammatories, the NSAIDs,
                                         
                                         as they're called, and the anti-histamine
                                         
                                         seem to prevent a lot of the gains,
                                         
                                         the improvements in endurance, strength, and size
                                         
    
                                         that people are specifically using exercise for.
                                         
                                         So be cautious about your use of non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs, especially within the
                                         
                                         four hours preceding or the four hours following exercise.
                                         
                                         So I hope you're starting to get the picture.
                                         
                                         In order to change the nerve to muscle connectivity in ways that will better serve you, you need
                                         
                                         a stressor during the actual training, which particular stressor
                                         
                                         depends on your training goals.
                                         
                                         But that stressor is almost always going to be associated with inflammation, and then after
                                         
    
                                         the training, you want to try and get into a state of reduced inflammation.
                                         
                                         And that's why you would do some sort of protocol non-sleep depressed, which we will link
                                         
                                         to in our caption, or perhaps you would use the hypnosis app that we've talked about before.
                                         
                                         Revery-r-e-v-e-r-i.com. There's a great app for accessing deep rest states or the physiological side to try and get the system, your system to calm down after training.
                                         
                                         There are also tools that one can use to reduce inflammation at a kind of foundational level
                                         
                                         away from training.
                                         
                                         And these are tools that I've talked about many times before, but I'll just restate them
                                         
                                         again.
                                         
    
                                         The kind of golden three, according to Andy Galpin, and the ones that he recommends are
                                         
                                         sufficient omega-3s.
                                         
                                         Again, that can be accomplished through diet, through whole food intake, or through supplementation
                                         
                                         or both.
                                         
                                         So, in general, getting above a thousand milligrams of EPA per day to keep inflammation low or relatively low,
                                         
                                         vitamin D, and in some cases magnesium mallate.
                                         
                                         Magnesium mallate seems to be particularly effective in offsetting delayed onset muscle soreness.
                                         
                                         Soreness itself is not required for improvements in strength, improvements in explosiveness,
                                         
    
                                         improvements in hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         That's a myth.
                                         
                                         Now, if you do experience delayed onset muscle soreness, chances are you stressed that particular
                                         
                                         muscle pretty well, or even maybe too well, maybe you stressed it too much and you need
                                         
                                         longer recovery.
                                         
                                         There's a total debate out there about whether or not you should train again when a muscle
                                         
                                         still soar. I think the general takeaway is no, that means it's not recovered. And there are
                                         
                                         things, of course, like massage, like facial release and things of that sort, sauna, cold,
                                         
    
                                         that can perhaps accelerate the movement from soreness to not soar. But in general, the omega-3
                                         
                                         vitamin D and magnesium malignate,
                                         
                                         malate, excuse me, trio, seemed to be an effective way to reduce inflammation at kind of a systemic
                                         
                                         level. But remember, you want inflammation provided you're not damaging the muscle so much that
                                         
                                         you're injured during the training session because that's the stimulus for change in those muscles.
                                         
                                         I want to talk about a few other things that support the process of nerve to muscle communication
                                         
                                         and touch on some of the things that a lot of people are doing to try and quote unquote enhance
                                         
                                         their workouts and evaluate whether or not those are in fact enhancing workouts or not because
                                         
    
                                         weight training unlike a lot of other forms of exercise has a unique aspect to it, which is this
                                         
                                         feature that I guess some people call it the pump, which is the fact that blood goes into the muscle when you train.
                                         
                                         It's the only kind of training where you actually get a window into what the result might
                                         
                                         actually look like before you actually accomplish that result.
                                         
                                         So if you think about when you go out for a hard run and let's say you go out for a two
                                         
                                         mile run, let's say your goal is to break, you wanna do a sub 10 two mile.
                                         
                                         Actually, when I went to university,
                                         
                                         I was running cross country my senior year of high school,
                                         
    
                                         and I wanted to walk on for the cross country team.
                                         
                                         And so I went out there and turned out
                                         
                                         you had to do a sub 10 two mile.
                                         
                                         And I think the best mile I ever ran in high school
                                         
                                         was a 457, which isn't terrible.
                                         
                                         I can't do that now.
                                         
                                         It's not even close to what high school athletes, the best high school athletes can do now.
                                         
                                         But that would have meant doing it back to back.
                                         
    
                                         So a sub 10 minute two mile, they even come close.
                                         
                                         Until Costello, the story of the other day, and he just kind of laughed at me.
                                         
                                         He was like, why would you even want to run two miles?
                                         
                                         Because Costello is built almost exclusively of these type
                                         
                                         two fast twitch muscles they're designed for moving objects. He's incredibly strong.
                                         
                                         He has been since he was a puppy. I mean, that dog could probably drag a tractor if he
                                         
                                         wanted to, but he can't really go far. Whereas a gray hound or a whip it or some of these
                                         
                                         other sight hounds or sent hounds can go, go, go. They have a higher percentage of the
                                         
    
                                         so-called slow twitchtwitch muscle fibers.
                                         
                                         They are much better at endurance.
                                         
                                         So a sub 10, two mile would have been very, very challenging.
                                         
                                         No chance I could have done that.
                                         
                                         I don't think even with a lot of training, but let's say that you want
                                         
                                         to improve your performance in a given type of exercise.
                                         
                                         Let's talk about some of the things that seem to work across the board to improve strength, improve hypertrophy, and
                                         
                                         improve nerve-to-muscle communication and performance. The first thing that's
                                         
    
                                         absolutely key for nerve-to-muscle communication and physical performance of
                                         
                                         any kind might not sound that exciting to you, but it is very exciting. And that's salt.
                                         
                                         Nerves, nerve cells, neurons, communicate with each other and communicate with muscle by electricity. But that electricity is generated by particular ions moving into and out of the
                                         
                                         neuron. And the rushing in of a particular ion, sodium, salt, is what allows nerve cells to fire.
                                         
                                         If you don't have enough salt in your system, your neurons and your brain and your nerve
                                         
                                         to muscle communication will be terrible.
                                         
                                         If you have sufficient salt, it will be excellent.
                                         
                                         How much salt will depend on how much water you're drinking, how much caffeine you're
                                         
    
                                         drinking, and how much food you're ingesting.
                                         
                                         And whether or not you're taking any diuretics, how hot it is, et cetera, how much you're sweating. So, you want to make sure that you have enough
                                         
                                         salt, potassium, and magnesium in your system if you want to perform well. I realize that salt
                                         
                                         isn't a very glamorous performance tool, but it is vital. It is absolutely vital. And the endurance
                                         
                                         athletes and the people that train in high heat can speak to the fact that when your electrolytes
                                         
                                         are low, your brain doesn't function, your body doesn't function nearly as well.
                                         
                                         In fact, even for mental work, for studying and for writing and for doing math and coding,
                                         
                                         doing analytic work of any kind, even a hard conversation that's important to you, having
                                         
    
                                         sufficient electrolytes is really going to help and being low on electrolytes won't help.
                                         
                                         And just drinking water won't help because you need electrolytes.
                                         
                                         The other thing that's been shown over and over again, numerous well controlled studies
                                         
                                         to improve muscle performance is creatine.
                                         
                                         Early on there was a lot of controversy about creatine, but there are many studies.
                                         
                                         If you want, you can go to this website that everyone now knows I love, which is this free website, examine.com, that there are no fewer than 18 studies there,
                                         
                                         66 studies.
                                         
                                         So, 18 studies supporting that muscle-creating content can be increased by ingesting
                                         
    
                                         creatine, how much creatine?
                                         
                                         Well, I asked the experts and they tell me that for somebody who is about 180 pounds, five grams a day should be sufficient or so.
                                         
                                         Have you ever been 180?
                                         
                                         So if you get like if you're 220 pound or 230 pound person,
                                         
                                         10 to 15 grams of creatine,
                                         
                                         people lighter than 180 pounds,
                                         
                                         maybe three to five grams of protein,
                                         
                                         excuse me, creatine or even one to three grams.
                                         
    
                                         Creatine is a fuel source for early in bouts of activity, for high intensity activity.
                                         
                                         It is also a fuel source for neurons in the brain and it can have some cognitive enhancing
                                         
                                         effects.
                                         
                                         So creatine is a very interesting molecule early on when it was released as a supplement.
                                         
                                         It was thought that you had to load it in higher dosages for a few days and then maintain
                                         
                                         it at lower dosages.
                                         
                                         So you take 20 or 30 grams a day, then back off to 5 or 10.
                                         
                                         It doesn't seem to be the case that you can get all the benefits from taking the dosages
                                         
    
                                         at the low level.
                                         
                                         I just mentioned a few moments ago as they relate to body weight throughout.
                                         
                                         So salt and electrolytes, absolutely key.
                                         
                                         You need those pressing.
                                         
                                         You need to be well hydrated.
                                         
                                         Creatine seems to have a performance enhancing effect.
                                         
                                         There are 66 studies, 66, showing that power output
                                         
                                         is greatly increased anywhere from 12 to 20%.
                                         
    
                                         And this is sprinting and running and jumping
                                         
                                         as well as weightlifting by creatine.
                                         
                                         The ability to hydrate your body is improved by creatine because of the way that it brings
                                         
                                         more water into cells of various kinds.
                                         
                                         As an indirect effect, it can help increase lean mass because of the way that it brings
                                         
                                         more water into muscle and probably also because of the way that if you get stronger, you
                                         
                                         can generate more force and generate more hypertrophy.
                                         
                                         It reduces fatigue. Seven studies hypertrophy. It reduces fatigue.
                                         
    
                                         Seven studies have shown that it reduces fatigue.
                                         
                                         There are even some interesting effects on improving cognition after traumatic brain injury,
                                         
                                         although that's a serious medical condition in situations you absolutely should talk to
                                         
                                         a board certified physician before adding anything or taking anything out of your current
                                         
                                         regimen.
                                         
                                         There are a few other effects that are
                                         
                                         interesting and notable, but the big ones are the ones that I referred to before about increased
                                         
                                         power output, etc. And I just want to emphasize that CRETEAM can increase this hormone that we
                                         
    
                                         talked about in the testosterone episode, dihydrotestosterone, which is testosterone converted by
                                         
                                         5 alpha reductase into dihydrate testosterone.
                                         
                                         It's the more dominant androgen in humans leads to increases in strength and libido and so
                                         
                                         forth.
                                         
                                         It also can increase male pattern baldness.
                                         
                                         Some people, not everybody, experience some hair loss with creatine, other people don't.
                                         
                                         Some people experience accelerated beard growth because basically, D.H. she has the opposite
                                         
                                         effect on hair follicles on the face as it does on the scalp.
                                         
    
                                         Some people don't.
                                         
                                         Women who ingest creatine, there are essentially no data showing that it increases hair loss
                                         
                                         or facial hair growth, but of course everyone is different, so you can go to exama.com,
                                         
                                         you can explore those studies.
                                         
                                         So creatine, definitely a powerful performance enhancing molecule.
                                         
                                         The other one, one that personally I've never tried, but that seems to have a very strong
                                         
                                         and well-supported effects, is beta-alene. Now beta-alene is interesting because when you hear
                                         
                                         about weight training, you think about heavy dead lifts and bench presses, all that kind of stuff
                                         
    
                                         that people are doing, but beta-alene seems to support exercise
                                         
                                         that is of slightly longer duration. So a mix of anaerobic and aerobic type movements. So
                                         
                                         things, these are physical performance in the 60 to 240 second range. So you can use your
                                         
                                         mind and kind of figure out, you know, like things that weights of the, that limit you to eight to 15 repetitions.
                                         
                                         Cardiovascular exercise of the sort, like rowing or sprinting.
                                         
                                         So interval work, it seems to help with that kind of work.
                                         
                                         So we're not talking about long runs,
                                         
                                         we're not talking about heavy deadlifts.
                                         
    
                                         The standard dose is somewhere between two and five grams.
                                         
                                         Again, as always, check with a doctor,
                                         
                                         make sure these things are safe for you.
                                         
                                         I'm not responsible for your health.
                                         
                                         You are, I don't say that just to protect me,
                                         
                                         I'd say that also to for you. I'm not responsible for your health. You are. I don't say that just to protect me. I'd say that also to protect you. But it really seems to improve muscular endurance,
                                         
                                         improve anaerobic running capacity, reduce fatigue. There are even some interesting effects on
                                         
                                         reduction of body fat and improvements in lean mass. So creatine beta-alene electrolytes,
                                         
    
                                         these are kind of the core three things that
                                         
                                         seem to improve performance and are well supported by the scientific literature.
                                         
                                         And in the earlier episode on supercharging performance, we talked about palmer cooling.
                                         
                                         That's certainly a performance enhancing tool.
                                         
                                         It's nothing you ingest.
                                         
                                         You're cooling your palms in a very specific way.
                                         
                                         That's very powerful.
                                         
                                         Now what about for longer duration bouts of exercise?
                                         
    
                                         We've mainly been focusing on resistance training,
                                         
                                         but what about for long runs, long swims,
                                         
                                         these kinds of things?
                                         
                                         Well, it does seem that beat juice and ingesting things
                                         
                                         like arginine and citrilline can improve performance
                                         
                                         for those long bouts of exercise.
                                         
                                         That's mainly going to be due to effects
                                         
                                         of those compounds on vasodilation.
                                         
    
                                         It's going to open up the vasculature and allow more blood flow.
                                         
                                         Do note that things like citrally and in arginine
                                         
                                         can have some side effects, if you will.
                                         
                                         They can increase the likelihood of having
                                         
                                         herpes cold sore outbreaks on the mouth.
                                         
                                         The arginine is in the pathway by which,
                                         
                                         I don't know if people know this,
                                         
                                         but the herpes virus lives on neurons
                                         
    
                                         of the trigeminal nerve that innervate the lips and the eyes and the mucus membranes
                                         
                                         of the face.
                                         
                                         So this is the Herpes type one simplex virus that virus lives on those neurons and then
                                         
                                         periodically inflames those neurons and that's what leads to the cold soar.
                                         
                                         It seems like arginine and citralline can lead to increases in cold sores and
                                         
                                         canker sores and outbreaks of those kinds. So you want to be aware of that. That's
                                         
                                         not everybody, but and not everybody is carrying HSV1. Just be aware that I
                                         
                                         think it's now 80 or 90% of people by time they're 12 years old, they've
                                         
    
                                         contracted HSV1, it's very contagious,
                                         
                                         and typically we have one outbreak and then only under conditions of stress or heightened
                                         
                                         arginine or citrulline ingestion will have them later. Again, this is not a necessarily,
                                         
                                         it's actually an STI, this is an infection that is passed very easily
                                         
                                         from mucus membranes just in terms of touching objects
                                         
                                         and things of that sort, very common in the general population.
                                         
                                         Any discussion about muscle and muscle performance
                                         
                                         would not be adequate if we didn't mention something
                                         
    
                                         about nutrition, but rather than have a whole discussion
                                         
                                         about nutrition, because there's lots of information
                                         
                                         about that online.
                                         
                                         Like, for instance, if you want to gain muscle,
                                         
                                         that you need to have a caloric surplus of about 10 to 15%.
                                         
                                         You could have a caloric surplus of more
                                         
                                         if you want to avoid gaining weight
                                         
                                         than you would not create a caloric surplus, et cetera.
                                         
    
                                         You can find all that information online.
                                         
                                         That's not what this podcast is really about.
                                         
                                         We had a month where we talked a lot about hormones and food and
                                         
                                         moods.
                                         
                                         We talked about foods, but more as they relate to the nervous system.
                                         
                                         When it comes to supporting muscles, is supporting the synthesis of larger, what I call myosin
                                         
                                         balloons, it does seem that ingesting 700 to000 milligrams of the essential amino acid lucine with each meal is important.
                                         
                                         Now that does not necessarily mean from supplements.
                                         
    
                                         In fact, most people recommend that you get your protein,
                                         
                                         you get your amino acids including your essential amino acids
                                         
                                         and your lucine from whole foods.
                                         
                                         High quality proteins, high density proteins.
                                         
                                         What do you mean by that?
                                         
                                         Well, it is true that a lot of sources of protein are found in
                                         
                                         things like beans and nuts and things like that that all the essential amino acids can be found there, but per unit calorie
                                         
                                         if it's in your practice, if it's in your ethics to ingest animal proteins, it's true that for instance 200
                                         
    
                                         calories of steak or chicken or fish or eggs
                                         
                                         will have a higher density of essential amino acids
                                         
                                         than the equivalent amount of calories from nuts or plants.
                                         
                                         That's just simply the way it works.
                                         
                                         So I'm not, for the vegans and vegetarians,
                                         
                                         I'm certainly not saying there's no way
                                         
                                         that you can support muscle growth, you absolutely can.
                                         
                                         Some of them might want to supplement losing,
                                         
    
                                         but this 700 to 3000 milligrams of losing per meal
                                         
                                         is one of the best ways that's been shown
                                         
                                         to support the synthesis of more myosin
                                         
                                         if your goal is hypertrophy,
                                         
                                         and it's also the way that you would support muscle repair
                                         
                                         if your goal is strength.
                                         
                                         So that's specifically geared towards muscle hypertrophy
                                         
                                         and strength, and I encourage you to think about this protein density issue and whether or not you
                                         
    
                                         ingest animal proteins or you don't to think about whether or not you're getting sufficient
                                         
                                         essential amino acids, especially loosing.
                                         
                                         Now many people have addressed the question of whether or not you need to eat six or seven times
                                         
                                         a day. It turns out that you don't. That's kind of the old school thinking that you need to eat very
                                         
                                         frequently. I think for certain athletes who are very active for drug assisted, meaning people
                                         
                                         that are enhancing their testosterone levels to super physiological levels where they are experiencing
                                         
                                         very heightened levels of protein synthesis and they can utilize all that. That might make sense.
                                         
                                         Again, I'm not supporting the use of those performance enhancing drugs, but there are people doing that and that's one of the reasons why they eat so
                                         
    
                                         frequently and
                                         
                                         So much protein for typical people who are not doing that. I imagine most of you are not
                                         
                                         then
                                         
                                         It does appear that you need to eat but you don't need to eat six or seven times a day
                                         
                                         It does seem like not eating once a day is also important.
                                         
                                         So somewhere between one meal a day and six meals a day lies the more reasonable two or
                                         
                                         three or maybe four times a day.
                                         
                                         I think that a whole discussion about this is warranted and we'll have this discussion
                                         
    
                                         with Dr. Galpin in a future time of how whether or not eating protein more frequently can enhance
                                         
                                         this myosin synthesis,
                                         
                                         but I think the simple takeaway from the literature that I was able to extract and from my discussion
                                         
                                         with him is eating two to four times a day, making sure you're getting sufficient amino
                                         
                                         acids in a way that's compatible with your ethics and with your nutritional regimen is going
                                         
                                         to support muscle repair, muscle growth, strength improvements, etc.
                                         
                                         just fine. There's one more thing that I'd like to cover, which is the
                                         
                                         relationship between particular kinds of exercise and our ability to think and
                                         
    
                                         perform cognitive functions. We all hear that exercise is so vital for our brain
                                         
                                         that it supports our brain health and our body health and indeed that's true,
                                         
                                         provide it's done correctly.
                                         
                                         However, many of us are familiar with the experience
                                         
                                         of going for a run or going for a swim
                                         
                                         or working out hard in the gym
                                         
                                         and then not being able to use our brain
                                         
                                         to be essentially useless for cognitive functions
                                         
    
                                         for the rest of the day.
                                         
                                         I discuss this with Dr. Galt in this morning
                                         
                                         and I learned something very interesting,
                                         
                                         which is that
                                         
                                         hard bouts of exercise of the sort where you're training near failure or you're generating
                                         
                                         focused muscular contractions for obsession that lasts anywhere from, I don't know, 30,
                                         
                                         45 minutes, maybe 60 minutes, or a long run where you're engaging in some interval training
                                         
                                         during that run.
                                         
    
                                         After exercise, there's a reduction in oxygenation of the brain.
                                         
                                         There's actually a quite significant dip in the amount of oxygen that your neurons are
                                         
                                         getting and therefore your ability to think.
                                         
                                         It's important that you control the intensity and the duration of your training sessions so
                                         
                                         that you're still able to do well in life and lean in to life the way you need to because
                                         
                                         I'm guessing most of you are not
                                         
                                         in a position to just prioritize your physical training, you also need to use your minds.
                                         
                                         I'm certainly familiar with wanting to get exercise, but also the requirement of needing
                                         
    
                                         to perform cognitive work throughout the day.
                                         
                                         It also turns out that you can leverage something interesting about exercise and nerve to muscle
                                         
                                         work in ways that can benefit
                                         
                                         cognitive function and focus.
                                         
                                         And it has to do with the way that your body and your nervous system predicts about of intense
                                         
                                         focused effort.
                                         
                                         So let's say you're doing resistance training two or three times a week, maybe even four
                                         
                                         times a week, and you're doing it consistently at a given time.
                                         
    
                                         There are clocks, literally biological clocks within the liver and within the brain that
                                         
                                         learn to predict that focus and that intense work.
                                         
                                         If you are trying to get intense cognitive work done, you might try scheduling that cognitive
                                         
                                         work on the days when you don't do physical training at the same time when you normally
                                         
                                         would do that intense do physical training, at the same time when you normally would do that intense, focused physical training.
                                         
                                         Because the systems of the body that generate acetylcholine release and other nomodulators,
                                         
                                         the systems of the body and brain that generate focused effort, those are on this sort of
                                         
                                         clock mechanism in a way that you likely will find that after just a week of training at
                                         
    
                                         regular times, you will be able to focus
                                         
                                         readily on other things when you're not training provided you do it during the period of time of
                                         
                                         day when you normally would train. So this is kind of an indirect positive effect. You're harnessing
                                         
                                         the focus and the expectation of focus in your nervous system for that particular time of day.
                                         
                                         And of course, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about time of day for training. Turns out that whether or not you do, whether or not
                                         
                                         you train in the morning or in the afternoon, doesn't really seem to matter for sake of things
                                         
                                         like hypertrophy and strength, et cetera. Everyone seems to have a time of day that they
                                         
                                         prefer to train. I've said before in their reasons based on body temperature rhythms. And cord is all released that training 30 minutes,
                                         
    
                                         three hours or 11 hours after your normal waking time
                                         
                                         can be very beneficial and can provide a sort of predictability
                                         
                                         or regularity to when your body will be ready to train
                                         
                                         and best apt to train well.
                                         
                                         There is some evidence that training in the afternoon
                                         
                                         is better for performance, whereas training for body composition changes and strength changes, et cetera, doesn't really matter
                                         
                                         when you train.
                                         
                                         So you also want to make it compatible with sleep, compatible with work.
                                         
    
                                         That really gets down into the weeds of optimization.
                                         
                                         But I think it's interesting to note that if you're going to train at a regular time,
                                         
                                         you can take the days when you don't train and use that to enhance your cognitive focus for things
                                         
                                         that have nothing to do with exercise. So this might be writing or reading or music or math, etc.
                                         
                                         Typically, I restrict these podcast episodes to about 90 minutes, so-called
                                         
                                         all-tradian cycle for learning. Today was a bit longer and I admit that I tried to pack a lot into this.
                                         
                                         It is the last episode in this month on physical performance.
                                         
                                         I figured in this case, more is better,
                                         
    
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                                         You certainly don't have to watch it all at once.
                                         
                                         And you can come back to it over and over again
                                         
                                         into the precise locations in the episode
                                         
                                         that you like in order to take notes
                                         
                                         or extract the information that you need.
                                         
                                         I'd like to point you to Dr. Andy Galpins page.
                                         
                                         I highly recommend looking into the work that he's doing
                                         
    
                                         if you want more details.
                                         
                                         He's very, very skilled, excellent communicator.
                                         
                                         He's superb at what he does.
                                         
                                         He's a professor.
                                         
                                         He works with athletes.
                                         
                                         He works with typical folks in the exercise
                                         
                                         and muscle physiology world.
                                         
                                         Brad Shonefield's work, I also have a lot of respect for.
                                         
    
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