Hyperfixed - Folklore (Kyle's Version)

Episode Date: January 2, 2025

Your support makes this show possible! Please consider becoming a premium member for bonus episodes, access to the discord, merch drops, and morehttp://hyperfixedpod.com/joinThere are still buttons available from our episode "Casey Wants to Believe" but they're going fast! Get one athttp://hyperfixedpod.com/buttonThis week, Kyle asks us whether a bit of folk wisdom, passed down through generations, is actually true, and once again we end up in a big philosophical discussion about the nature of knowledge and stuff.LINKS:Adam Savage's YouTube Channel TestedAdam Savage's own Savage Indusries tape measure The Lufkin Night Eye Tape Measure (again, this is not a sponsorship -- just what Adam recommends)

Hi, my name's Alex Goldman. This is Hyperfixed. On this show, listeners write in with their problems, big and small, and I solve them. Or at least I try. And if I don't, I at least give a good reason why I can't. We chase a lot of questions that never actually end up making it to air. Sometimes it's because we just aren't able to answer them. Other times it's because we are able to answer them, but we do it way too quickly. This week's problem was one of those. But the answer we got, and the special guest we got it from, were so good that we figured stories like this need a chance to shine too. So, here it is. This week, folklore. Kyle's version.

My father's father was an engineer. He taught him this, so he passed that along to me. This is Kyle. He lives in Ohio, and he has a job in analytics. But he spends most of his free time renovating old houses, using skills that have passed from one generation of his family to the next. My mother's father was a craftsman, you know, just a handy guy. He taught it to her. She's a seamstress by trade.

Kyle's father learned from his father. His mother learned from her father. And Kyle learned from helping his parents with their renovation projects when he was a kid. And for the most part, what he learned from them was solid. The foundations of building and fixing stuff, which I could not be more jealous of

as a person who doesn't know how to do anything except make a podcast. But there's one piece of advice Kyle is not so sure about. And it's this. They both told me to always just forget the first inch. Forget the first inch. Meaning that when Kyle's using measuring tape to measure something,

whether it's a piece of wood or a piece of fabric, he should not start with zero or the spot where the little metal hook is at the end of the measuring tape. According to Kyle's family, when you're lining up your tape measure, if you want an accurate measurement, you need to start with the one inch mark. And they say it with this conviction that isn't like, you know, maybe this is like whatever, like they're like, no, this is just like a law of nature. Like it's gravity. Like the first inch is, you have no business using it. Kyle's family believes that the first inch of the tape measure is entirely unreliable. And they're not alone. So I've asked a couple people as we've been going along. And yeah, most of them have heard this. Some of them are just

like, yeah, I've heard that. I don't believe in it. My mother-in-law was like, yeah, I absolutely know what you're talking about. You always get rid of the first inch like it was like a Bible reading. Kyle's been using this rule of thumb for as long as he's been building things. But measuring from the one is slow and cumbersome. He has to clamp his measuring tape to the side of his table instead of the object he's measuring and line up each piece of wood perfectly. table instead of the object he's measuring and line up each piece of wood perfectly. And lately, he's started to reconsider this idea that there's something wrong with the first inch of literally every measuring tape. If that were the case, why would they put fucking numbers there? Why would they make everyone's lives? Why would the manufacturers of measuring tape, and I assume

there's probably not a ton, Like I imagine that measuring tape. A big measuring tape is up to something is my thought. Why would the measuring tape industry conspire to give people wrong measurements? After I submitted it, I start like, you know, you see that self-doubt thing where I'm like, maybe this isn't a problem and I just made it up and it's just affecting me. I'm checking my measuring tapes, moving things around. The little line is there on some of them. It's not. And I'm like, okay, sure. Maybe I'm not supposed to measure that small on a measuring tape, but I want to, I'm an analytical guy. Like I want to use it. Honestly, I was skeptical that

Kyle's problem was even a problem, but we needed a story with an easier lift, something we could land in a matter of days while we pursue stories that take weeks or months. And with my newfound measurement understanding from Eva Needs to Measure, which is a few episodes back, I figured we could get an answer, quick. But after 10 minutes of talking to Kyle, I assumed this was a worst case scenario,

which is that, you know, Kyle is just wrong. So in my infinite hubris, I, Alex Goldman, the podcast host, who's never even installed a towel bar without putting it in crooked, decided to go find a measuring tape to show the guy who builds cabinets and renovates houses that he was overcomplicating a simple task. I should have done this before I sat down. Can you guys give me 30 seconds to go grab some measuring tape? Yeah, grab one. Yeah.

I'll be right back. So I'm just going to, I just want to like measure some, I just like want to test this out. Yeah. I'm just measuring a canceled check that doesn't need a test. This canceled check is exactly, from the tab, 8. And what are the interstitial marks between? It depends on if it goes to 16ths or not. Oh, God.

This looks like it's 8 and a half inches. So it's like 8 and a half minus 1. Like minus 1 of these little things. So it would be, yeah, 8 and 7 16ths. Which is a weird number for it to be. Now I'm measuring it would be, yeah, eight and seven sixteenths, which is a weird number for it to be. Now I'm measuring it at one, one inch. You guys, Kyle was right. Measuring from the one inch mark was different. Not by a lot, but it was enough to see with my naked eye. It looks like it's about 1 16th too short yeah and

that movement that travel on that metal thing is supposed to be tuned for that but i don't think it i don't think anyone's doing it right i don't think that they're making them right i feel like i am waking up from a lie that has been told to me my entire life why would they do that is it is it i'm wondering like is it a manufacturing error is it uh just laziness on their part because this feels like it like being told the moon landing is fake it's like something that feels as certain as like that i am certain of in my heart that now feels like i i no longer know what who. I mean, this is how we measure the world, right? We're off by a 16th in the whole world, always?

God, dude, I didn't realize this was all going to be measurement problems that I was going to be dealing with for the rest of my life. Hyper-measurement. I'm baffled right now. This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. When I read this thing, I was like, that can't be right. He must be mistaken. I mean, you are a person who measures all the time. How do you feel about when you are measuring something? school or whatever, is it's like, you're supposed to assume like if it's just a little bit under the line, you assume it's just a little bit less because you'll be closer. And I'm always wrong

by the thickness of a saw blade. I'm always wrong or off. And I don't really know which way to estimate. It just feels like the whole tool doesn't work if it doesn't work in that little way. Follow up question. How deeply does the thickness of a saw blade matter when you are doing this kind of thing? A lot. Like when I was doing this, I was measuring like, what was it? 16 two by fours that I had to cut to the same because they were going to go up on a shelf. And if any of them overhung, then the caps and the shelves wouldn't like sit properly. So I had to make sure. And that's when I was like, man, I wish that first inch was the same.

And I was like, wait, that's a dumb question. I've got to say this. It just seems nuts that this is what that we've been living with this indignity for so long and i'm curious if you ask more people like is this a folk tale like i i feel like i've just heard it my whole life like i i don't know but it feels like it's right because when i measure things i find what you just found so yeah i'm not gonna trust this anymore, either. This is like I keep just repeating the same thing over and over again, because like I don't know what else to ask, because this is so weird. I'm kind of speechless. And when you ask people, they minimize the problem. But if I gave you a scale that added a little bit of weight every time, you'd never use that scale. Everything else it holds. a little bit of weight every time you never use that scale everything else it holds it is i do feel like i don't know i've always i've always thought of myself as kind of not like handy not

not by any stretch of the imagination but like a little bit more rough and tumble than my effete uh radio compatriots but this one's making me feel like oh i'm just out of my depth i don't know what i'm talking about i think i'm. Like, I think I understand the world outside of just like books and writing and blah. But no, I have no fucking clue. How is this possible? I'm furious right now. This is crazy. You've been lied to.

All I've learned so far from the episodes that we have produced and are in the midst of producing is that like, I can't trust anything or anyone. Everything is just, everything I've ever been told is just a lie. It's going to be an uplifting series, huh? So, okay. So this is a crazily intractable problem. What would feel like solved for you? Like if I kind of understood that there was a reason for this and it's not, I'm really hoping what you don't find is that manufacturing got worse, and there's no way to control it at the rate that they put them out. And so we're just gonna have to live with this forever. I'd also

love to see, is there like, a super expensive measuring tape out there that's just accurate? Like, is there, is there like a German company that's manufacturing the only accurate known measuring tape? Like, I would love to know if there's one that I can just go grab. Because if you just, you know, Google accurate measuring tape, every measuring tape comes up. And I'd love to know without buying every measuring tape on Amazon that one of them works.

Kyle wants to know once and for all, if it's even necessary to subtract the first inch of the measuring tape. If this is a trick of the trade that all handymen need to do to account for discrepancies inherent in measuring tape design, or if it's just building folklore that's been passed along for so many generations that it's become fact.

Kyle needs someone to bust this myth. So we got a MythBuster. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Adam. Can you see me? Yes, we can. Excellent. Excellent. I can hear you guys loud and clear. This is Adam Savage. He's a YouTuber and the former co-host of Mythbusters.

And he spent most of his life, like Kyle, building things, including miniature models for the Star Wars prequels, the Mummy, the Matrix movies. me, the Matrix movies. And when Hyperfix producer Amor Yates first started researching this story, she stumbled on this YouTube video of Adam gushing over his favorite measuring tapes. So if there was anyone who could help us discern whether this measuring tape hack was fact or fiction, we figured it was Adam. How often are you using a measuring tape every day? Multiple times a day. I have, no lie, dozens of measuring devices, including measuring tapes, that I use all the time, and hundreds of measuring tapes in my life. And I'm just in a constant state of measuring things. Are all measuring tapes created equal, or are there some that are better than others? And if so,

what makes one measuring are better than others? And if so, what makes one measuring tape better than another? That's a wonderful question. The best measuring tape is the one that you're the most comfortable with. Full stop. Like, actually, while we're on the phone here, I'm just going to grab a couple of measuring tapes. Oh, please. This will be great. So Adam ducks out of the frame. And for a second, I can see his expansive workstation. It's like a carpenter's dream. Floor-to-ceiling devices.

Every kind of tool. All in this beautifully ordered chaos. All just within arm's reach. Okay. So, like, this is a basic hardware store 30-foot tape measure. This has been the bread and butter of my tape measuring forever. It's got a big, fat tape. This tape is great because it's so stiff.

You can run it like 10 feet out and measure something that far away without having to move. This was like, I've had this on my belt, belt you know on and off for 35 years um a couple years ago a friend of mine reached out and was like hey man and he introduced me to this new tape measure with the dark tape and i love the feel of this it's supplanted my 30 footer much of the time these tape measures you can build buildings with these you know their accuracy is plenty for building buildings where they fall down is measuring very tiny increments and for that the thing that i use even more than a tape measure is a pair of micrometers uh this is a otherwise it's called a caliper uh and this is a dial caliper, which uses a little rack and a pinion and a clock dial to measure down to the thousandth of an inch. And I actually have some measuring instruments that are even finer than this that'll go to about one-tenth of this, to approximately a micron.

In case this isn't already abundantly clear, for Adam, measurement is life. So when I told him about why we reached out, he practically leapt out of his seat. Oh, this is so great. I'm so excited to talk about this. Oh my, I knew that we had the right person. When Amor was like, I want to talk to Adam Savage about this, I was like, I could not have thought of a better person to speak to. Shall I begin? Please. Okay. First of all, I will say, for any given carpenter, if it's someone else's measuring tape, absolutely, you measure from the one. Interesting.

Now, here's why. We're talking specifically about your basic hardware store type of tape measure, which has a sprung steel curved tape that is auto self-winds. And it's got a little L-tab out at the front, connected by two or three or sometimes four rivets out at the end of the tape, and creates a little hook by which you can grab the edge of something that you're measuring. If you're measuring the top of a dresser, this little L will hang over the edge and give you a reference point. And your friend is right. That little tab out at the end of the tape, it moves and it moves just a little bit. It moves, and it moves just a little bit.

And the reason it moves is actually a very good reason mechanically. How do I say this? I'm trying to describe this because people are listening. They're not watching to what I'm saying. It moves. So if I measure the – yeah, here we go. Let's say I have a dresser, and I want to measure the width of the top of that dresser. I hook my little tab over the left side, I pull it all the way, and then at the right side, I get directly above the edge of the dresser and I look down and I see

that measurement. Now let's say I want to measure the distance. So let's say that the dresser is 29 inches wide. Now let's say I want to measure the distance from that edge that the dresser is 29 inches wide now let's say i want to measure the distance from that edge of the dresser to the wall that it's adjacent to and so i extend my tape measure to bump into the wall well now since i've hooked on the inside of the bracket and gotten one measurement if i push against the wall then i have to accommodate for the width of this little bracket out at the end of the tape measure. Because I've measured from the inside of the bracket and gotten my measurement of the dresser, if I really want an accurate measurement to the wall, I have to subtract the thickness

of the tab I've just used the inside of because now I'm going to be measuring to its outside. just use the inside of because now I'm going to be measuring to its outside. And so the tab moves to give you an accurate inch measurement, whether you're measuring to its face or whether you're measuring to its inside. That is such subtle and fantastic design. Oh my God. It is magnificent. And here's the reason you don't trust anybody else's tape measure is because that tab sticks out of the tape it's what you grab to pull the tape out and as such it's quite vulnerable to dropping and bending and when it drops it bends and gives you an inaccurate measurement that measurement is still accurate enough that you could probably build a building with it and it wouldn't be a problem. But for anything like furniture-based or more precise than a house, you're going to want to know what that accommodation is. Ergo, you don't trust

anyone else's tape measure from the tab, only yours. Oh my God. I feel like I've just taken psychedelics or something. I've expanded my mind in a way that I could not possibly have conceived of when I started this interview. I want you to know that when my assistant was like, they want to talk to you about the tab of a tape measure. And I was like, absolutely, we are doing this. As expected, Adam easily answered Kyle's first question. You can rely on the metal hook. But we still wanted to know why Kyle was finding discrepancies across his different measuring tapes.

So we asked Adam, is there anything about measuring tapes that you think is inherently broken or could be improved? Or if they always just sort of fulfilled the role that you wanted them to? I would say there is a little bit of planned obsolescence in tape measures. I have worn out many in my life. But besides that, in terms of being able to see, no, you know, look, every measuring device has its limitations. I specifically, I do remember learning carpentry to work in theater

and i remember finally getting good enough to realize that i wasn't measuring to a line i was measuring to a side of the line what do you mean well so if i have a big piece of paper with two lines like this, you can agree that actually from a distance, those two lines could be off by a little bit, and it would still from a distance look like they're right on each other. And so when you take a tape measure and you run up one of the black lines to the edge, are you running it to the inside of that black line, to the middle of that black line, to the outside of that black line? While that is a very small increment, and I can tell you these lines are not more than, hold on, I'll measure them right now, they're about 25 thousandths of an inch wide. Within carpentry, there are absolutely operations in which you need to be more precise than 25 thousands. And therein, you're actually choosing what part of the little black line on the tape measure you are going to use as your reference point. If you don't understand a word of what Adam just said, don't worry, because I didn't either. And I told him so. God, I can't. Okay, you're like you're on another level. I told him so. God, I can't. Okay. You're like, you're on another level. That's way too sophisticated for me.

Well, no. So I want to describe though, that this is a physical process, the process of learning that where I would take two, two pieces of something I wanted to go together and I had measured roughly and they wouldn't go together and they didn't go together until I looked at the line and got so close and realized okay i'm going to go to the inside of this line so it's not like an intellectual understanding it's a it's a physical understanding that these two things would not become one they would not join until i had attention on that finer increment fascinating so what like okay you've got this very exact you've got this micron can you say the name of it again i've already forgotten oh yeah calipers yeah can you can you measure the width of the uh of the tab itself yeah absolutely so i'm doing it right now uh and the tab on this basic Stanley here, which moves, is about 50 thousandths of an inch thick. For reference, that's about 12 sheets of copy paper. Okay. So let's say, for the sake of argument, I am working on a piece of furniture and I screw up by that 50,000th of an inch, what's going to happen?

How is this going to adversely affect my build? Oh, it could affect how tightly the joint you're cutting will fit together. It could affect how precisely your drawer slides actually accommodate the drawer. 50 thousandths is plenty enough to cause you trouble with the drawer slide in terms of alignment side to side or up and down. Again, I do want to point out that if you're a carpenter, you're not using this tape measure to do your dovetail measuring. You are using a scribe. You're using aail measuring. You are using a scribe, you're using a knife edge, you're using a square. There's like a whole bunch of sub-measuring tools for that kind of work. But yes, you could use this absolutely to the precision of doing that. It's just, it's a little more laborious. just much more fine and exact measurement tools that I neither have the budget nor need for

and have never even conceived of. But the other thing that I want to express to you is that you're right, though, at your beginning assumption that it's still really spongy. The thing is, is that a high level craftsperson is still listening to their body when they're making these cuts. They're still using their institutional knowledge to know how to stay. They just have institutional knowledge that allows them a level of physical intuition of precision that's way past anything we could execute. Adam says that when you reach the limitations of measuring devices, you need to shift to using a reference, something called a gauge block. Gauge blocks look a little like Legos without the prongs.

They come in various standard lengths and can be made of either steel or ceramic, and they come in a cute little suitcase. So let's just say I am making a watch part that I've got to make to deliver to another shop. And it has to be exactly, exactly one inch wide to less than a thousandth of an inch to like a micron level. It has to be perfectly accurate. And this gauge block is my measuring tool, but only by comparison. So what I do is I measure the thing I've built, and then I compare that measurement to the gauge block. And the gauge block tells me truly how close I am. And the gauge block is a system that involves a bunch of like

over a hundred different blocks with which you can assemble a whole host of different measurements. So any measurement from, think 50 000 up to 4 000 4 inches you can create with like two or three of these blocks any measurement 1.297 you can make that your comparator and then that's your reference standard for quality control that the parts you're making are totally accurate. You can like build a physical, you can like build a ruler out of little parts. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And let me just explain that these pieces of the gauge blocks are so accurate.

If I was able to take this little face of this gauge block, which is one inch long and about a quarter inch wide, that face is flat to a degree that is hard to conceive. If it was the length of Manhattan, if it was 22 miles long, the total up and down variance would be less than an inch and a half. Oh my God. I know it seems like we've gone pretty far afield from our original question, but there's a larger point here that Adam's trying to make. So just chill for a second, let the man speak. But here's the part that really blew my mind when I learned about gauge blocks.

I was here in the cave showing my micron gauge and showing how it works and using gauge blocks. And I have two sets. I have a ceramic set and I have a steel set. And the ceramic set is more accurate than the steel set because ceramic is more stable temperature-wise. But I pulled out the steel block and I thought a second, and I held it in the palm of my hand for 12 seconds. And then I put it back under my micron measure, and I could detect that my body heat for 12 seconds had made the gauge block one micron thicker. That's bonkers!

gauge block one micron thicker that's bonkers so all of the all of the uh the certification documentation that comes with the gauge block says this is only accurate to 68 degrees fahrenheit or 20 degrees celsius and i read that and i realized holy cow that means that these measurements of these gauge blocks they're not measurements they're measurements with a caveat a temperature and so they're measurements only to the degree pun intended that we have all agreed upon the parameters for that measurement right we've all said okay these gauge blocks are accurate at 68 degrees Fahrenheit, and anything above or below that, they are no longer submicron accurate, and you can't count on them. And so to me, as a person of science and technology and engineering,

I have always found great faith in the sanctity and the solidity of numbers and the factualness of measurement and when i got into gauge blocks and i realized that the measurements were only stable at a certain temperature i realized there's no such thing as a measurement that the whole system is only there it only works because we've agreed upon the parameters for which it can work. And I find that really beautiful from a human standpoint. Adam is saying that even with the best tools available, the best we can get from them still leaves a space between the objective measurement

and what our tools are capable of capturing. And this is not a new concept, even on this show. But ultimately, the reason we fell in love with the story was the thing that Adam told us next, which is, essentially, that the only way to close the space between the objective measurement and the subjective one is experience and the physical intuition of the craftsman. So there's a measurement on a piece of paper, and then there's the institutional knowledge. And a good machinist is always going to be the last mile after the measurement on the page. It's so hard to explain, but it really is. There's only so far the measuring tool can get you. And then your experience and your body, our soft, imprecise bodies have to take us that last little bit.

All of the interesting engineering in the world to me happens in that last little bit where the physical intuition takes us past what the measurement can describe. I guess that all creative endeavor has some aspect of that. Like I can listen to audio and be like, oh, there's a missing breath here. Or this sounds unnatural because I know the pattern of speech so well, because I spend hours in front of an audio editing dashboard making stories, you know like of course and your physical intuition is is probably past any piece of of of microphone measuring uh equipment that you have because you have a point of view on what tells a good story what communicates the right person's breath and sound and resonance like you have point of views on all of those things and they inform the thing that you want to get out of this product.

The thing about what I do is that it is so I think of it as being so heavily in the realm of communication and interaction between people, which to me is like messy and inexact and has a lot of has like a lot of loose ends and dangling things that then I have to like, I have to move put together. I don't think of it as having any sort of quantifiable components, but it definitely does. And I'm I am operating under them all the time. I just don't think about them. And I will wager you have sat in a control room with a really, really old engineer and had them surprise you with stuff that they noticed. Oh, absolutely. And probably expanded your mind for noticing or showing you, hey, listen to this thing. When that drops out, this whole thing changes, you know?

I mean, so this is my epiphany with the gauge blocks is precisely that I, like you, thought, oh, communications and the humanities are all messy and spongy, but machining is where everything gets precise. And the answer is, yeah, to a degree, but the closer you look, the less precise it gets. This is the hardest lesson to explain in our current political divide where science has been getting beaten the crap out of over the past 10 years, is that the whole history of science is nothing but the repeated lesson that the closer you look at anything the more they disappear you know the more you zoom in the grayer and blurrier the boundaries between things get i i have to admit i didn't expect that i would be making a thing like this is now sort of the second measurement story that I've ended up working on in recent history. And I really didn't expect it to ever get as philosophical as it does so quickly. After the break, we'll circle up with Kyle.

Welcome back to the show. A few days after my chat with Adam Savage, I jumped on a call with Kyle to tell him everything that Adam told me. I told him that Adam does recommend skipping the first inch when using other people's measuring tape, but that even when you're using your own measuring tape, it's not unusual for discrepancies to develop over time from temperature-related shrinkage or even just from continued use. Also, remember how Kyle wanted a recommendation for a measuring tape that was accurate enough to use that first inch? We asked Adam, and he said, and I promise you, we're not getting any sponsorship money for sharing this. He said the Lufkin Night Eye was his favorite.

So, we passed that along to Kyle. Kyle ordered the Night Eye, and for the sake of isolating our variables, he also ordered a few other new measuring tapes and agreed to try measuring from the hook. And a week or so later, we got this voice memo from him. Hey guys, so I got some new measuring tapes. And I have the ones that I had before that made me reach out to Hyperfixed. And kind of an unboxing video kind of style here. I'm going to go down the line. I have a 2x6 right in front of me. I've measured to one inch on the most precise ruler I could find. So I'm just going to kind of measure that first inch and see how far everything is off. So with that, I have a very cheap, looks like it says Co-Mellon self-lock 12-foot measuring tape.

I expect this one to be not super great because it looks and feels extremely cheap. When I measure it, it looks like it's only, it's a little bit high but maybe a 16th of an inch further than what the ruler says maybe even less so that's actually pretty accurate i've got a dewalt here which i you know dewalt's my favorite brand of tool but i know that they probably don't make these so i'm not quite sure exactly where it's going to be. And the first inch on here is a little short. Important to note that I have this one. I'm using the hook on these. As Adam Savage said, these could be dented, damaged from just use, dropping, things like that.

Next, I'm going to go with a Cobalt, which is a Lowe's brand. Generally decent as far as store brands are concerned. This is brand new. I actually have the packaging still on it. When I measure this up against the ruler point, it's pretty much... Wow. Yeah, it's pretty much dead on. So point for the new tape measures being dead accurate. Next I'm gonna go with Klein,

which is a very nice brand of tool. They're expensive, I use them for very articulate action. And it is dead on. Again. Last, I've got the Lufkin Shock Force G2 Crescent. This is the Adam Savage recommended tape measure. It's pretty cool looking, just to give you a visual the other ones here have some like rubber padding on the outside most of them um the klein feels really

good the dual has a lot of built like grips into it this one seems to have like a stainless steel loop for like putting it on on like your person the wow the uh hook at the end feel extremely tight and oh and it's it's pinned into the tape measure with like four points the measurements will glow in the dark this is actually really impressive it's got a level built into it it's uh i didn't honestly know that they made tape measureers like this as I'm slowly becoming a pro through this and this one is dead on so to conclude it looks like Adam Savage Adam Adam Savage is a advice about trust keep your tools nice trust the ones that you keep nice and don't trust the ones that you don't know where they came from how old they are how they've been used and abused. It does feel like that is the answer.

After trying it with six different tape measures now, and I tried it with a whole bunch more before when I was getting really erratic readings, it was all used ones. So new tape measures, keep them nice. Feels like the move. Thank you very much for all your help. Thank you very much. I can't imagine working on the show without you. The music is by the mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder and me. It was engineered by Tony Williams. Fact-checking by Amore Yates. You can get bonus episodes, join our Discord, and much more at hyperfixedpod.com. We rely on our members to keep the show afloat.

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