If I Speak - 100: We’re 100 episodes old – ask us anything!

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

We’re 100 episodes old! To celebrate, our audience of Special Ones ask us anything, from the personal to the political to the completely potty. What do Ash and Moya love and hate about each other? Whose greatest skill is cod psychology? And do they ever get anxious after sharing on the podcast? Got a dilemma? […]

It's your birthday so I know you want to find out. It's our 100 birthday. It's our 100 birthday. We are 100 episodes old. Cue the birthday card from Buckingham Palace. Did we ever think we would get to 100 episodes? I don't know if I've even envisaged past the next one. I don't think in the future.

But that's the thing is that I didn't think that if I speak would be a time limited thing either. Because once I start doing something, I'm like, I'll just do this till I die. Like I'm really bad at like stopping doing things, especially if I like it. But it didn't occur to me that there would be milestones. Yeah.

I think that's like life as well. You're like, I'm never going to reach 30. And then you hit 30. You're like, oh, I'm here. God damn. When did I get here? How did I get here? What's my name?

What is your name? My name. What a segue. My name is Mojano the McLean. You are. I am Ash Sarker, and we're guest. It's our 100th episode. So, to celebrate, we are bringing you and ask me anything special.

We have crowdsourced your questions from the insightful to the silly, to the frankly deranged. And we're just going for it. Yeah, we're just going to get the fuck in. We're going to get stuck in. We're going to fuck in. Oh, wait. We have to. Tell people about something first.

We actually lie to you, sorry. Two things are happening very soon. Lying is a woman's prerogative. We're allowed. We're allowed. You tell them about the first. Right. So on July the 4th, we'll be in Sheffield for Crossed Wires Festival

for a extra special live recording of If I Speak. There will be other live recordings that you can catch at Crossed Wires as well. There will be Blind Boy. There will be others who I've quite frankly forgotten. But we're the main event. All right. Come on. Come on.

We're Hulk Hogan versus Sean Michaels. We are number one. I need to like underplay things so no one's disappointed is really battling with me right now. But I'm going to let you just make that statement. I'm going to let a lie. Let the Ares do the hype. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.

The other thing that's happening that, Ash, you haven't mentioned, what's happening in February? What have you? Did you hear that sneeze? in the background. So someone's got consumption, fine. That was the demonic sneeze of my partner. What's happening in February, there is a live downstream recording for the launch of

the paperback edition of Minority Rule. It would be myself versus Aaron Bustani to talk about all the themes that I raised in the book and also the new afterward, which I painstakingly put together, which covers some of the current affairs missed in the initial manuscript. So I talk about Trump, I'd talk about Mamdani, I'd talk about the Belgian Workers Party. I address some of the criticisms of the book, which I think are always really helpful for sharpening your thinking. And just in case, the big fight wasn't enough, there is an undercard. So Michael Walker will be joined by Dan Evans and Janice McBean, two individuals who, I think if you're familiar with their work,

come from very different political perspectives. Both would, I think, describe themselves as Marxists, but how they think that plays out radically, radically different. So it's going to be a super interesting discussion. It will be at Earth. Hackney, you can get your tickets from Dice, and it would be really nice to see you. I was shocked that you had not put into the script

your own promo, because I was just listening to the wonderful and petiful episodes that you had. and I was like, Ash hasn't mentioned this at all. So I thought we'd bring it in. Why not? On 100th episode, why not bring it in? Come on.

Bring it. You worked hard on that book. Let's bring it in. I mean, I worked hard on that afterward as well and then submitted it and then obviously more things kept happening.

And I was just like, I don't have one more paragraph. You're going to be like, do you remember why Kanye West kept updating the life of Pablo? And he kept changing the versions. He was like, no, I want update this.

I'm updating this. That's what it's like now writing a book. Because also I think with the digital world, you're used to be able to writing updates and changing things. And with a book, it's a very fixed thing. So it's an interesting thing to get your head around. Also just with the workflow of journalism, right? Because you're like, oh, well, I'm doing a lifestyle tomorrow.

Oh, well, like I can write this up tomorrow. And it's sort of like attritional in that way. Right, let's get to the question. I'm going to introduce a time limit. And I literally have a timer next to me, which is unless it's a really, really fucking juicy question, we're going to have one minute limits each. Ash has gamified this. I've gamified this shit.

Brain broken fully by internet. How do we decide if it's a juicy question? Because we have to have a mutual consensus. Does one of us say juice and the other one goes veto or yay? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think so.

All right. So I'm going to ask you first and then we'll da-da-da-da-da. Question the first. What's been your biggest achievement from the pod and any dream guests? Moya, your minute starts now. Oh, I'm about thinking. Our biggest achievement is getting loads of listeners who are, we've got loads of special ones. Dream guest.

I've answered this before. Can't remember what I said. Not. No. You'll go. Okay. I would say biggest achievement was a special one came up to me after a live event. I actually think it was during the book tour and basically said how much our advice meant to her.

And like she'd been going through a really, really tough time. She'd submitted something really. personal and the fact that we could actually be genuinely helpful in someone's life. I mean, come on, come on, big achievement. Dream guest's got to be Josia Marino. It just has to be. Oh my God, that would be amazing. It would be.

He would be so rude. So good. Or Roy Kean. Oh my God, but can you imagine them doing I'm in big trouble? It would be amazing. The advice they would give would ruin lives. I think it would fix lives. I genuinely do. Right. Next one.

Okay. That's the same one. What outlet would you work at in your industry if not the one you currently work for? I'm not fucking leaving. Such a cop-out answer. No, but the thing, that's genuine. Okay, Navar shuts down. What happens? Where are you working for? I'm okay, right. If Navar shut down,

I'd probably just focus on writing books and would have a nicer life in all sorts of ways, but I would really miss the feeling of family and community that I have at Navarra. if you are telling me it has to be another media outlet. Can you imagine how jokes it would be if I worked for the financial times? I can imagine. I think you could be a columnist for that easy.

I don't know. I don't know. Come on. What's his name? Ganesh is there. Every time I see his name, I'm like, that's going to be the worst thing I've ever set eyes on so I'm not even going to click on it.

Like Stephen Bush is there. I think you could definitely be a columnist at the FT. Like you write actual political analysis. Well, look, I can't wait until I make you feel like I don't want to that shit. That's my goal. No, I like keeping your shit. Your shit is always good. Okay. All right. Same question to you. Again, I'm going to cop out because I wouldn't work at another outlet because I don't have the reporting chops to work at the ones I respect that take reporters. And I would get bored

just writing comment and opinion all the time. So I would write books and freelance, I think, in the way I do now. Or I would start my own small thing. Oh, what does small thing be? I think there's a real gap. Having worked at Gowdom and having worked at Mill Media, I think there's a real gap for like rich narrative journalism, not the one that just goes in on like, we're just for marginalised genders because I think that takes down the scope too much. But those underreported stories with a team that I could work up who do come from marginalised backgrounds because those, that again and again,

like our industry is so depleted. And those people do not get the training in order to even get in the room. So I'd love to do something, but not something big that tries to, like change the world, but something small and sustainable so that we don't all lose our jobs every five years. That was bang on one minute. Well done.

Okay. Right. I'm going to skip a couple to one which I really want to ask you, which is, what do you think is your greatest skill? Organizational. You? I'm a good reader of people. I'm quite good at like cod psychology too, but I don't know if I'm good at it or I'm just

really emphatic about it. You know, people are like empaths? Like, I'm an empath. And it's like, are you just projecting your feelings? Or do someone else? But I think you are a good read of people. So far, the projection has not been able to happen. I think you're very good at reading people.

You often tell stories off camera, off camera, off mic, where you're like, and then that did happen. I would concur. Okay, great. I love it. Next question, what do I want to ask you? Ooh. Are there any topic?

that you've discussed that you've changed your mind about since. Oh, probably. Like, the thing is, is that doing this podcast is always changing my mind, but it's sort of happening so constantly that it's really hard to pick one out. I think that the biggest shift from how hard I was going on the pod to now the nuance with which I would talk about it would probably be linen trousers. I know it be linen trousers, Ash. I know it be linen trousers.

I knew it would. Why? I went in so, I mean, I still stand by the idea that it's not, that I think that the rise of linen trousers was about fashion trend cycles more than it was about. It wasn't about the linen trousers, it was actually other garments. Changing political climate. No, no, I know, but that's a good shorthand. It's a good shorthand.

It's a short hand. Like, it was much more about changing trend cycles than it was about political shift. but the hostility towards the analysis itself was definitely coming from Why we so mad about the linen trousers? I was so mad. I was so so mad. What about you? Wait, why were you so mad?

Why did they hit you so hard? I felt I really felt at the time that you were backing off from doing a political analysis. Is how I felt. Do you feel about it? What would you feel about it now? Like, what would your tape me now? Um, I think that it's, it's fine and legitimate. to talk about the aesthetics of a conservative shift.

And I think that there's, you know, but in order to do that, there's like the linen trousers, quiet wealth aesthetic, and then there's also like Mar-a-Lago face, and you kind of have to account for both, particularly in Trump land. But I do also feel that sometimes you do back off from doing a hardcore political analysis

and you talk yourself out of feeling qualified to do it, whereas I think you are very qualified. Yeah, because I hope you'll do it with me. I wanted you to take the journey with me. And I was like, get off the train. Well, I'm stopping this now. Okay, I have one I've really changed my mind on. And I have, I have loads, but this is the one that will make you the happiest.

I have completely U-turned on the date thing. Bam. And I know that would make you the happiest out of everything that I might have you turned. Yeah, you turned on this political thing. Yeah, you turned. No, the fucking date, ambiguous date. I support a long ambiguous date. I think it's great.

Lean into ambiguity. Not in a creepy way. Because there's a creepy form of ambiguity where men, particularly older ones who know that they shouldn't be doing this, they try and design ambiguous situations to take you away from the shoreline of professionalism. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about ambiguous.

Oh, is this friends or is this something else? Frisson. You were right. Every word you said, correct. And I'm happy to put that on record. Yes. I love to hear it. What is one dilemma that stuck with you?

Oh, God. I don't know if this is just because it's recent, but the one where they both went to an island together, the Situationhip Island. Situationhip Island. That really stuck with me because I was like, the level of miscommunication that's going on and the fear that's wrapped up in this was so stark.

How did you both end up? You didn't end up on the island. There was a passivity. Like, oh, you just end up on the island together. and the writer was like sort of by design. It's like, of course it was by design. You were just safe. You're not a floating.

Yeah, like you're both fucking, you went to the island together and then the sort of freak out. I think it was very, it embodied a lot of things I see in modern dating in one place. What about you? I think it's probably the special one writing in experiencing feelings of shame, guilt, uncertainty after having an abortion. that was a very powerful one yeah that was like i think it was a really emotionally generous thing for them to do to share that not just with us but with an audience and to be able to crack into feelings of ambivalence without it having to be abortion for or against yeah okay next one see what is stuff that's addressed just to me i'm like should i read it out because that's

Do it. Because I actually think that this will be an interesting one to hear you respond to. Interested in Moy's reflections on reasons for leaving Navarra, is it that she wanted to move into more reporting, rather commentary, punditry, if she is able to comment. Look, we didn't make you sign an NDA. I didn't sign an NDA. And I still take...

Wait, I was like, did we? No. And I'm also technically still contracted by the company. Okay, the reason... Tread carefully. The reasons that I left were... There was a couple. One was, I didn't feel I was adding much value to the company. I felt I didn't really have a role that, like I kept making projects that got cut off because we didn't have enough resources to devote to developing them in the long term, which was very frustrating. But because it's a reactive, like, you go where the people are going. So you can make stuff. And if it doesn't get traction, you don't get to make any more of it. Or, you know, you start making something and you're really excited about it. But if it doesn't move forward, but if it doesn't move forward, you for, you know, because everyone involved isn't pushing it forward, it doesn't get made. So I also paid a part in those things.

But that happened a couple of times and that really frustrated me. Also, yeah, I was just doing a lot of comment, which I was good at, but I didn't feel like it was actually adding much value overall to the organisation in terms of like original reporting. Other people were doing that. And I hate being in a place where I can't add value. Like that's obviously such a big thing for me. And thirdly, I wanted to develop more.

with like experience in boots on the ground narrative journalism. And there wasn't really an opportunity for me to do that because there just wasn't the spare bodies to train me. So when I got an offer to work with, you know, this other company that I loved, I took it. Also, yeah, it was mainly the overall thing was I didn't see that I was adding much value or developing. And I could have stayed forever and just kind of sat there very comfortably.

But I was a bit like I hate feeling like I'm just an extra body, not really helping the project. So, and I was, when I did it, if I speak, it was like, oh, I'm doing something really like actually useful that I feel like I'm adding some value here. So it was, I always feel like, if you're not, if you're not feeling useful, clear out the way, kind of vibes. I would also add to that, that when I was in Navarra full time, I was doing a lot of punditry that I didn't really feel qualified to be doing because you don't have time to

constantly. I mean, you make time, but the role I was doing, like, you don't have time to constantly be like across a topic in debt. to the level that I would actually feel comfortable making a lot of the proclamations I was making. And I felt like my analysis was doing the same thing over and over again. Whereas if I speak, we are just, we're just shooting the shit. It's just underpinned by our respective political beliefs. And we have differences.

We have similarities. And I feel that's a lot more authentic in some ways to me than what I was doing before because I actually, I'm like, when I don't know something, I actually don't know enough about this. Or I'll be like, oh, I have big opinions about this, but you can disagree because it is very a personal take. which just, yeah, to me I'm like, I just feel like there was a space missing where there was a space missing where people could meld the personal and political

in this particular way. At least that's what people tell me. They're like, oh, there isn't anything else out there like this. And that surprises me because there really should be. But I guess people go really hard on the culture podcasts, which there's many great ones. Should we move on? Yes, okay.

You're going. Have we got the timer on? That was a juice question. That was a juice question. We completely, we completely fuck reduce this. squeezed the orange. Oh, there's two which are addressed to me. So I'm going to skip to one that's addressed to you.

No, no, no, no. We just did a personal one for me. So now we do one for you. Come on. For Ash, tips on keeping a strong marriage in stressful times. I was thinking about this when I read it, which is I don't want to be arrogant, man, because like we've been married for two and a half years. And hopefully when we get to the end of our very long lives, we'll be like, oh, we were babies and we didn't know anything.

So I don't want to sit here and be like, you know, here's the book on keeping a strong marriage. And then like one year later we divorced because like we encountered a problem and we were just like, what can't do this? What I'd say is so far, so far, what's been really important is that like we are really committed to each other in a way, which can create a little bit of like wiggle room and space and a little bit of independence. Like, for instance, he went away for a weekend for his friend's big birthday thing. And apparently lots of people like, where's Ash? Like, ooh, is that a crisis?

And he was like, Ash is at home off her face watching wrestling. She's happy. She's great. Don't worry about Ash. Like, she's watching Mr. Riguana in the Royal Rumble. Don't worry about her. And so I think that that's important, which is like, don't be too tired of the hit. Second thing is, like, always in a crisis come back together.

like be like glue during most times but don't but if every time every day feels like a crisis bad no good and the third thing is don't take yourself too seriously when you're together and especially especially i would say don't take sex too seriously otherwise it'll stop being fun and you'll start doing it because you're like that's a crisis if we don't this sounds a lot like the advice goldie horn and kirk russell give every time people ask them how they've kept their relationship together so long and they're always laughing they go there's no playbook but you just have to keep wanting to be it's they've have really good advice. Maybe you're the Goldie Horn and Kurt Russell of the left. Maybe I'm the Kurt Russell. You could, honestly, I'd be either one of those. I'd be happy being at Kurt or

Kurt seems like the nicest man in the world. I'll tell you that. Okay, next question. Oh, I mean, this tells me the person doesn't listen to the podcast, but we'll just answer it. Well, it's for you. I hope this isn't rude. Are you and your husband planning on being parents? No. Moia, are you planning on being a parent? No, sometimes now I walk around, I'm like, wow, wouldn't it be great to have a little cute baby? And then I see the child two years older in like the supermarket. And I'm like, oh, that would be hell for me. I don't have the capacity to deal with that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this has been the year where everyone I knows had a baby, like literally, like bump a crop. Don't know what's going on. And it has been really lovely to be around different styles of parenting. Because, like, one of the things about my family is that everyone's got very strong opinions about the right way to be a parent which then when you are not a parent can feel a bit like this has introduced actually a note of anxiety and sort of like judgment into like me interacting with your child so to see that that's not playing out in everyone's family great so great okay um oh this is a nice one thing you most

appreciate about the other person and thing that annoys you the most that's not nice i don't want people are really nosy about like what we beef about or what friction we have which i think is they want to know the beef. Okay, thing that I appreciate most about the person. There's loads of stuff. Everything from your ability to think, like your ability to pull up threads is a huge one. I think you're,

even though you don't like confrontation, the fact that you're willing to do it at like prime times when it's needed, you don't back down as well. You hold your ground. That's a really big one. That you actually, you have a great love of the people directly in your life

that is very like inspiring and the work you've done there to like open up to people is really inspiring. Thing that annoys me, it's the same thing that annoys me about myself. You overstretch yourself. So sometimes we're just overstretched. And then we're like, we're so frazzled. But that's the only reason that that would annoy me

is because I do it myself and I'm like, oh, that's what I'm doing. We're both frazzled. Oh, we're frazzled people. But that's, you know, my partner was saying the exact same thing this morning because I thought he was asleep and I was like getting ready for this and I was like kill me and he was like that's not that's not good he was like you need to work less and I was like why did you say that he was like well the seven in the morning and you're saying kill me yeah you shouldn't be saying kill me I got this morning I was like oh everything's great but then next week I'll be like kill me

all right thing you appreciate most about the other person is that I actually think that this is one of and other people, which is you are a funny motherfucker. Like, you're really funny. That's the only thing I'd want to hear. And I think the reason why it's so funny is, not so funny, and the reason why it's so important to me when I find someone else funny is that it shows that there is a sort of instinctive shared wave length between me. But because if you don't, if you don't find someone funny, you never will.

Like, tries you might, you never ever will. and I think that that's indicative of being like kind of sympathico. And I think that's also the glue which holds me together with people where like we really disagree with other things. Like if we can laugh together. That's like that's all I care about. For life. So that's thing number one.

Thing number two is that you actually have a really expansive intellectual hinterland and you're constantly bringing in things that you've read or you've listened to or that you've seen which are like, I sort of see it as putting nutrients into the soil of the podcast. Like you make this the listers can't see but I'm sweating. Ecology. I'm getting so hot, sweating. I'm getting hot and bothered by the compliments.

I'm having a physical reaction because I'm so uncomfortable with being complimented. So that's thing number two. And like thing number three is that I think that you have the best and most refined understanding of this podcast and where it should go and what works and what doesn't. Oh, gosh. Like I think your instincts on it. are like super duper sharp and like almost always right.

You wouldn't you wouldn't think that from the way I talk and act. Thank you. Do you know what? The funny was all I needed. That's the other day I go into my therapy sessions and I'm like coming out. I'm like, how long? I'll call my therapist Amanda. I'm like how many times have I made Amanda laugh today?

When she's hooting and hollering? It's like I've done a tight 10 and I'll come back and I'll say I'll tell my friends and they're like, is that really the reason or the purpose? Is that the purpose? I'm like, she laughed so much today. Okay, what annoysy. I think that you consistently underplay your intellectual ability. You know what?

That's probably true. No, do you know it is true? It is true. I keep calling myself stupid to people around me, which is... But you do that too. I was listening to the unpertiful podcast. And you were like, oh, your intro was like, oh, I don't understand economics. Maybe you're not as dumb as me.

Maybe you got it. I was like, I was literally listening to it. I was like, Ash. That was a game. You say it's a game, but my boss told me something, we're going over time. I'll do my boss telling you something another day. All right. Another day.

Okay. You pick one. Oh, that's more about us like working to the, how long have you guys known each other and when you met did you get on well instantly? Interesting question. I don't think we're buzz and buzzies. First time we met was, and I might be wrong about this, was we recorded a podcast together about influencer culture. and I thought you were super-duper-smart and immediately made the decision

that Navarra had to poke you. Yeah. That was the first to me met. That was a great chat. I rambled too much, as I always do. That was my first... I didn't think you ran. That was my first go at someone just being like,

can you just talk about this for ages? I was like, yeah, I do want to talk about this for ages. Did we get in one instantly? I think we had an understanding of each other. We weren't besties, but, you know, I respected you and I loved that you saw, something in me as well. That was nice.

And I loved your questions. And that you cared about this shit. You actually understood why that shit was like important. I really am sweating. It was, it was really funny. It was like, finish the podcast and like went on Slack and I was like, we're poaching. We're doing it. Wow.

And you did poach me. You did. We did. Congratulations. You did. You did. Very persuasive lady. Okay.

I'm going to move on a little bit from like, how do you guys see each other? Can you distinguish compromise from something? sacrifice in the context of relationships. So I think this is a Jeece question. Okay, it's a juice question. I will extend it to two minutes. So I was discussing this yesterday with someone in my life and we talked about for ages because we were like, what is the difference? Like, what level of sacrifice would you ask of your partner? Because there are certain things that I would never ask of the person that I was dating because from the get-go, I know they're a red line. And I think those are the things that are sacrifices, right?

So for me, a sacrifice would be if I had to give up my career and move somewhere. And I don't think I'd do that. I don't think I do that. I was trying to imagine a world where I gave up my career and moved. And I'm not saying, like, if I was a writer, because that's not a sacrifice. I could write anywhere, in my opinion. But, you know, give up the job I have now and move somewhere. And I would not do that because I think it would ruin the relationship.

I think when you have to sacrifice something that big, you know, whether it's having kids, if you really wanted kids, not just if you're like, either way. I think when you make that level of sacrifice, it doesn't work. If it's a sacrifice where it's just a short-term thing, like, okay, my partner's in hospital and I can't go to my best friend's birthday, is that even a big sacrifice? So I had a real trouble being like, well, what level of sacrifice would actually ruin a relationship

because of the what it would ask of the other person and like you might not get a chat you can't predict if you're going to get a chance of mutual sacrifice whereas compromise I feel like everything kind of exists on the spectrum of compromise you know like okay

for example I could purchase something that I wouldn't normally purchase to make home a little easier for a person when they're coming over or I'd make a trip that I wouldn't normally make and skip a few gym days. That's compromise to me.

I don't think that's sacrifice. What do you think? I think that there's a little bit of semantics going on, right? Because, like, you know, there are certain sacrifices which you do make in a relationship. And also, there are certain things which are zero-sum, but turn out to be good or, like, enriching in some way. So a big one which was, like, super zero-sum was when it came to me and my partner decided on where to live, I was like, it is going to be this postcode. Like, and if it's not this postcode, kill me.

You may as well, kill me now. They literally like pull you kicking and screaming and then you die as soon as you get out. Yeah, like, I'd be gone. And I think that at first, I mean, I obviously didn't say it like that, but it was sort of clear where the centre of gravity was. And I think he was a bit like, oh, am I just wrapping myself in her life and sort of losing my world or my individuality. And that wasn't the case.

It turns out a lot of his friends live in the same postcode as well. Like we decided to buy a household like his best friend. But that community that existed in that geographic location that I had, which is a product of me having basically always lived in London, has been something which has given him an experience of community that he probably wouldn't have had had he lived anywhere else. So that was something which was, zero some and maybe at first seemed like a sacrifice to him.

And now it sort of turns out that it isn't. So that's what I mean by it's like kind of semantic. I think that ultimately you know it in your heart when doing something for your partner would alienate you from who you truly are inside. Like, you know, and I think it's a sort of like sickness and nausea and fear and overwhelm. Like I think that your body has an alarm system for that kind of thing. And that's how you know. And if they're asking that of you,

you have to kind of re-evaluate the relationship, in my opinion. Because it's not even that would be a big ask, but it's like if someone asked me to move to a certain place and I knew that it was wrong, like there's people I'm dating or dated who they're like, I can't move from here. And I would never ask them to because I already know that's the line. and to get to like ask them that question

would just ruin the relationship anyway. Oh, okay. I'm going to draw this to a close. Yeah, Georgia, close. But I actually think that there is something about, like I don't agree. I actually think sometimes relationships, you have to like experience that sense of crisis together

and see what's on the other side. Well, let's see. Let's see. Okay, right, next question. Would you rather deal with romantic jealousy or platonic jealousy? Before we start this question, What are we defining platonic jealousy?

Well, exactly. Because is it like when I'm jealous because my friend's got a new friend and I'm worried it'll affect my bond? Or is it that I'm jealous of my friend? Yeah, or is it that you're jealous of a romantic partner's friendship with someone else?

Well, how do we want to do it? I think romantic jealousy is just like being jealous of like your partner being with other people. And I feel like my mind in platonic jealousy went to, oh, obviously I don't. only be jealous of my friend getting a new friend because that's the new type of experience. But I suppose it's if we stick to those parameters, it's being jealous of your friend. Yeah, I suppose in that case I'd rather experience romantic jealousy.

Yeah, rather than being jealous of a friend. I don't get jealous of friends. There's things I'm like, oh, I wish I had that experience in the world. But I don't, I've never experienced as like resentment of that friend just more like, oh, it'd be interesting to experience the world like that. And like, oh, I wish I had a bit of that. But the only way I get jealous of friends is, um, or jealous of platonic jealousy is the one where sometimes I'm like,

this new person's come in and what if they love them more than me? That would be the only one. See, the thing is, is that I don't, I'm not trying to be like, I'm so cool because like I'm a, I'm cuckoo bananas in my own way. But I don't really experience that kind of jealousy with friendships. And I think a big reason why is that one, I genuinely think that like the distinction between the bonds of friendship and other kinds of bonds is like there is a bit more like of a healthy individuation.

So like the things that you do aren't as impactful on me as they are if it's like a family member or a romantic partner where there is less individuation. And then the second thing is that again, I think from living in a context where like we're all sharing each other with each other. Like it's a community thing. You don't have a claim on one person just like that. Well, this is why I'd rather experience platonic jealousy because when I've experience botanic jealousy in that sense, then it's very quickly been quelled just by hanging out

with the person being like, oh, actually, we have a special bond and their special bond with someone else isn't relevant and is actually a beautiful extra thing. Whereas romantic jealousy, no, that's no bueno for me. I don't, I don't like that and I don't enjoy it. No me gusta. No me guster. There's no way to like, and when you're quelling it, you just have to literally sit and process it and be like, you're being nuts. And whereas it's actually coming from, oh, it's this avoidance thing. Or it's a little bit of spice in the soup as we discussed. Right, next question.

Next question. Do you believe in one true love slash fated lovers always doomed to come back to each other? No, I believe that anyone who subscribes that notion is in a toxic little cycle where you've hit some certain buttons with each other and you think that you're special, but they are actually just addicted to each other. And I think the lovers who actually come back to each other are the ones who would never subscribe to being fated and are willing to let each other go and heal and then. find way back to each other. But I think if you believe you're fated, you're doomed. I think that I completely agree. That is exactly my fucking opinion.

I don't believe in this, even though I've seen it happen. Even though I've seen it happen. So my mom and my stepdad were together back in the 80s. They met when he was at uni and she'd actually gone to the Oxford ball with someone else and then was like, this guy's a fucking waste of space and then spotted my stepdad sitting at this fountain and she was like, I just saw this guy with his like,

scruffy hair and his hand-me-down suit and was like you you're the guy and they got together but it didn't work out that first time around and then when I was about 11 they got back together after having kids with other people see but even though I've seen it I just don't I don't think of that as like fate I think of that as like a really beautiful love story but I don't think that there was some external force bringing them together I I there may be an external force but I think the people who think they've got one true love are actually just standing in their own way. I agree. No, next question.

Next question. I think it's you. Is it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, sure it is. Oh, who are your sexual awakenings? Right. I was thinking about this one.

I don't believe in the concept of sexual awakening. I think that that is rooted in like a deeply like fallocentric idea of women's sexuality. Because the idea of sexual awakenings like I think comes from a form of literally. which is like, here's this woman who either is virginal or has never had good sex and along comes the perfect penis like with a man attached and let a thousand flowers bloom. And I think that that's the sort of model of like Lady Chatterley's lover. Like D.H. Lawrence is basically through the subjectivity of a woman affirming the like centrality of like the penis. And, and, and And I think that that's a like such a like man-centered way of understanding,

not just female sexuality, but all sexuality. Here's what I think about sexuality. I think we're born with the experience of pleasure and the experience of the pleasure of like desire and having that desire fulfilled. That's how babies are experiencing like breastfeeding and stuff. It takes time for that to be understood as something sexual. and I think that that's both a product of like biological maturing and there's like the 480 and idea of like the centre of libido

shifting from mouth to anus to genitals and that being a like kind of biological process but then there's also a social one which is understanding that certain forms of pleasure are bracketed as sexual and other forms are not but I think like we're born with like an understanding of pleasure and I think that like having good sex and understanding of what you like

is a lifelong process. Like if you're like, oh, like, you know, when was your sexual awakening? I'm like, I'm still having it, bad boy. Like, I'm still, I'm still learning all of these things about what I like and what I like in the context of a committed relationship, like eight years in,

is really different from what I liked when I was in my 20s. So I don't believe in the concept of sexual awakenings. Boom. Do you, I thought they were just asking as like when we started to feel funny in our tummies. I came in, I was like, D.H. Lawrence. I didn't think they were asking us about the first time

where we became fully matured sexual beings. I thought they were just like, when did you, you know, how I've talked about Robbie Williams and Mel B. I thought they were just asking us about that. But I really liked what you said in tandem to that. I feel like the question maybe was like, when did you get a funny feeling in your tummy watching people kissing on TV? But I do.

agree with what you're saying about the actual experience of sex and pleasure. Like, I was saying the other day that in my 30s, I'm now having the best sex I've ever had. And the people who are involved in these acts are like, oh, yeah, thanks so much. I'm like, don't thank yourself too much. Yeah, you're good. But like, you met me at a great time. Post therapy, open, know what I want, like body ready to go. That you've got me five years ago. I'm sure it'd have been great, but it might not have been, you know, the level I can now reach in terms of just like throwing myself into it.

So that's constant like maturing and opening up. You wouldn't have got the bum stuff. Always had the gorilla glue grip. Always had it. You might have the guerrilla glue grip, but do you have the gorilla glue mindset? You know, are you really ready to wield that power? That's the question.

But in all sincerity, I do think as you get older, you realize in so many other ways as well that like life is short and if you don't fucking do it now or like use it or lose it I saw someone say the other day use it or lose it anyway right next question we need to stick to the timer question oh I mean shall we answer this one we can okay so caveat for this question this person sent it to both of us and is definitely doing it in a slightly getting off way but we're going to answer it anyway yeah okay so I have a four inch erect penis size.

One of the best things I can do so I can satisfy a woman in bed. I'm going to assume that this is asked in good faith because if I think that they're getting a kick out of it, it will make me want to jump out of the window. I don't mind if they're getting a kick out of it because I think other people will be listening who actually will care about this. Also, let them get their kicks.

That's fine. No one gets kicks from me. Give us some money. Do a worn off donation if you're going to get your kicks. Ashley's looking horrified. Okay, wait, you go first. You go first, actually. I need to think about what I'd say.

Okay. The first thing is that it's not the size of the dog in the fight, the size of the fight in the dog. We all know. We all know. What if I said something really controversial? I'm not going to. What, the thing is, is that like...

I care about my dogs. You care about your dogs. I've had big dogs. I've had small dogs. I've had dogs of all sizes. And some of the big dogs were terrible. I mean, like, dreadful. The thing I'd say is this, right, is that people will have their preferences. Women will have their preferences. They'll have the things that they like to see,

that they like to feel, whatever. That's fine. But number one, one of the biggest inhibitors for mutual sexual pleasure is your own sense of self-consciousness and shame. So if you're bringing that into the bedroom and you're already thinking, oh, I've got some of the sexual pleasure. It's a lot of something I need to compensate for. That's a bad starting point. And there is nothing hotter than like self-ownership and like I'm the real slim shady. I know who the fuck I am and like everything about me is fine and great. Like that's the first thing is that actually that can set off a really positive feedback loop. Like not arrogant, but just that bit of self-confidence. Second thing is that like we all know that the majority of women cannot climax from penetrative sense.

alone. Preach. I'm in the majority. Maybe not one day, but today I am. There's hand stuff, there's tongue stuff. There's so much tongue stuff. There's so much tongue stuff.

There's other forms of stimulation stuff. Like, you don't just have to, there's buzz stuff, there's grind stuff, there's rub stuff. There's so much stuff. The full play matters so much more as well. Yeah. I mean, you want them to be begging for it

by the time you get there. but that's probably it's all about the everything else you do first the journey the journey the journey you know start with a little bit of hand

then go a little bit of mouth then flip around a little bit go to the back go to the front get up there don't forget the nipples some people actually don't care about the nipples me yeah I don't care for them

I was having this discussion the other day and our table was split between two of us who were touch our nipples it's over it's done like I could be anywhere and you get on those oh oh dangerous but you know what I think that this is the

real advice that I can give is that whoever you're with take the time to like don't just go for like oh right there's boobs and then there's like virgin and then there's bum like there's a whole body and like and there are so many times I'm like I had no idea I was sensitive there like Like what the hell? What the hell? A little bit neck, a little bit of, oh, back. Oh, bite the shoulder. I love a shoulder bite.

Side of the hip for me. Yes. Just trailing up the thigh to end of thigh. And that's why you can't do one size fits all. And also don't make it this boring, heavy process of being like, yeah. What do you like? No.

Try some shit. Just touch. Make it really sensual. I know someone who likes to think of massages. I'm not even a huge massage fan, but that's a thing now. Or like, you know, there's like make it sensual. And there's also like make it fun, make it funny. Like, like for me, the thing which works, like this is the sort of like guide to seducing Ash Sarka is if you are making jokes while all this is going on, I'm so there.

I think we've given some good advice. We juice that. We juice that one. Let's move on. Okay. Right. Next one. Not pegging.

Okay. Who is your celebrity hall pass? The thing is, is that the concept of a hall pass is like who you could sleep with. outside of your relationship and I will say this is very, very early on in my relationship with my current partner. I saw Anthony Joshua, who I fancy more than anyone living, having breakfast with some woman near my mom's house. I was on my way to visit my mom. And we made eye contact and he nodded at the and I felt myself ovulate and I was actually on the phone to my partner at the time and I thought about being like, it's over. It's so over. You know what are you getting? You're like,

This is actually a test from God early on. I really think early on in a relationship, you get a test from God where someone is thrown back in your past that he would have previously would have, you know, gone feral for. And they're like, well, what are you going to do now? Yeah.

Mine was Anthony Joshua. So I didn't take that road. I suppose, like, now, um, like, these are just like the men who most recently I was like, oh yeah, like he's, he's good food. Is that a lot? No, what are you going to say? A lot of them are like,

a lot of them are in WWE because at the weekend I got super trashed and watched the Royal Rumble with my housemate at a couple of friends. And like one of the friends me and her were just like, that is a man, that is a man. Who's a guy? Who is it? Oh, God.

They've got such stupid names. Okay, one is it. One is Trick Williams. Sure, yeah. And another is called Roman Rains. And if you Google them both, you'll be like, yeah. They do sound like softcore porn stars. 100%.

100%. It's so oily. Does Paul stars even do softcore anymore? It's all hard, isn't it? It's all hard. It's all hard. I don't have a whole past because I'm not deep enough into a relationship to discuss that. But who would you agitate for?

It used to be Ryan Gosling, but now he's fucked with his face so much. and he's too old for me to deal with. He's a family man now. I don't get involved in that business, okay? Again, Ben Affleck, I would, I'd probably, I'd probably still get involved in that business. I think it's, I'm really attracted to men who are clearly intelligent in Hollywood. Like, Michael B. Jordan is obviously up there.

Yeah. I'm, I don't, I put off. him because so many people want him. So I hate competition. It's just he's a fuck, he's fucking hot. And he's smart and that really attracts me to people. They've got to be a bit smart. I don't know.

There's not many Sir Hollywood actors that I'd probably Hawpast for because I do hate the idea of like you have slept with so many people. I just would be compared to all their performances. I don't really like that. So I don't really have a Hall Pass. I'm sure there's one in the UK like music scene or something like that that I just do but

Ben Affleck's a good one let's move on okay okay how do you deal with online hate and people attacking you in DMs badly you've heard me crash out about 60 times on the show like what more do you need to know

people don't really attack me in the DMs anymore I think because I'm not making political arguments all the time. But I do not respond well to people telling me, the podcast is the main point of exposure I get. And I do not respond well to people telling me. Do you know what's quite weird? Recently we put up a clip when I'm talking about beauty. And there's people in the comments being like,

she's a munter. And that didn't really bother me because I'm like, I'm obviously not, sorry. But what bothers me is when they hit upon something that is like a deep, that I does have a, you know, the fattest hint of truth, like I'm rude, I'm nasty, all those things, those really get to me. So there you go. What about you? Someone recently in real life was like, oh, so-and-so says, like, you're really smart, but, you know, she can't be that smart, you're not that smart. In real life? In real life. And I just,

did you slap them? No, I just looked at this person. I was like, yes, I am. Yeah. I was like, yes, I'm fucking am. That for me is the equivalent of someone calling you a mentor. I'm like, you can never make me believe it you can never sorry i've had too much reinforcement on this one yeah like ain't happening ain't happening um in terms of like how to deal with is that obviously obviously particularly like the racism and like super sexualized violent stuff has had an impact to the point where i am hypervigilant and blah blah blah and i'm just not i'm not gonna be like oh yeah it's fine like no i'm a jumpy bitch i'm so jumpy um But in terms of like how to deal with it, it's just I constantly say like the only people

whose opinions to me matter are like partner, best friends. Like even family have had to sort of like, again, healthy individuationers be like, you're not always right about me. Like your take is not always right about me. And sort of cleave to that. And then the other thing is just like, you know, I don't hang out really. with media people unless we were already friends. Do you know what I mean?

It's just like, I don't, like this is not my world. It's not where I'd like to be. And I think that that's emotionally healthy. Hanging out with media people, if you're not already mates. There's some really great people. Often who've written books, I would say, but hang out with the journalists. If you're not only mates with them,

oh, it's a crazy, crazy thing because the competition is nuts. Yeah, and it's just not very fun. And it's also like, you're only ever then really talking about work, which for me is like an extension of work. Yeah. Boring. Boring.

Okay. Which, is there any here that you really want me to do before I start? Tell me. This one? I don't care about that one. You choose the one that you think is most interesting. Being left wing can be quite sad at times. How do you cope?

So, I haven't read this book and I can't remember who wrote it. Amazing start. there's apparently this neuroscientist I haven't read this book and I can't remember who wrote it yeah Don't ever say we don't do our research guys Apparently a neuroscientist who found that left-wing people tend to be less happy than right-wing people

But activists tend to be happier than both So basically I think if you are left-wing And you have no concrete political expression of that and you don't feel a sense of political agency in any way, you're fucked, you're cooked. So it's not about coping, right? If you're trying to cope with your own sadness, guess what? You're just going to feel sadder. But do some actual left-wing shit beyond, like, posting.

I would say that's the best advice. I have a friend who's very left-wing, but doesn't really have an outlet for it. And I get a constant stream of, like, pessimism, always. often when I'm like just chill a little Sunday I'll be like I can't solve this I'm like I can't solve this and I actually wasn't thinking about it right now

and then I feel bad too so the dreads are catching that's the thing as well the dreads are catching so you need to you need to find an outlook for it okay next question oh okay

because I know that this is something that we kind of disagree on how do you be the bigger person when someone is just so mean that's hard do you want to go first because I want to think about what I'd say to that don't be the bigger person I do I do think I stand by my policy which I expressed the other day as flourishment is the best revenge and benevolent apathy

benevolent apathy question moya's about the high road whereas it's not the high road it's actually the low road it's like pretending they don't fucking exist to the point they're just not a factor in your life Your success is the revenge. And your success involves having to forget them because there's nothing worse than the person that you, you know, have amenity awards, just not giving a fuck, you know. It's the John Hamm thing.

I don't think of you at all. I don't think of you at all. Yeah, but when you say that to someone, it's obviously devastating. So I think, you know, I'm like, that's low road, that's low road. Okay. Do you guys ever get anxious after sharing? stuff on the pod. Sometimes, but generally I don't really have object permanence.

So once it's in the can and Charles editing, I'm like, that's done. I do, but I am using it as a way to accept, it's actually been really good because there's been sometimes I've said stuff and I'm like, oh, I wish I hadn't said that. And it's not usually about me. It's usually when I'm giving an example that involves someone else. The things I choose to say about me, I'm like, yeah, you know what, I've said the bum stuff now. You're just going to look at it.

It's done. But it's been a very good exercise in trying to practice diplomacy, filtering. And also there's been things where I've thought, oh, I'll take that to the pod. And then I think about it. I'm like, no, actually, that's something you need to take to the person. Take to the grave. Yeah, well, take to the grave. But then take to the person because otherwise I'd be airing something I haven't processed

with someone that actually really just needs an interpersonal conversation. So it's actually been really, the anxiety when it comes has been very useful and instructive. I'm going to skip ahead big time. Let's go. Let's go! What album embodies your soul? Love you guys, by the way. Oh, fuck.

That's too hard. That's too fucking hard. Like, it changes every day. Because my soul is in a constant state of flux. What's yours? Which rap album is it? Okay, okay, but soul is different, right? There's, like, what album do I think is, like, the most perfect work of art?

and like I have answers for that. And then there's like, what do I feel touches me every time I listen to it? And like, that's probably going to be blonde. That is a great one. That is such a sole album. The beat switch in, um, uh, night. Is it nights or? Yeah.

There's that. Or maybe it's DiAngelo Voodoo. One of the two. It's either voodoo or blonde. I think mine honestly is the miseducation of Lauren Hill. Yeah, so beautiful. I think it is the misogelow. education of Lauren Hill.

But I couldn't tell you. Yeah, I couldn't tell you exactly like why. That was the one that came into steam to my head. But it doesn't embody me. I don't go through the same things. But it's something about her emotion and passion. Weirdly, I think Cizzer would probably be up there for me just because even though I've never had a situation like Cissors, like, she's an insane lady with this particular

type of insanity. But yet the way she sings, there's something about it. Anyway. Side chick anthems. Yeah, okay. What's a book that everybody loves but you hate and vice versa? I hate a little life. I think it's so fucking dumb.

I think I talked about it, right? Where like suffering piles up to the point where I just start laughing at the characters. And this isn't how I would react to someone who's suffered that much in real life. I'm just saying that when you pile up misfortune on top of misfortune on top of misfortune, and it's like, oh, he ran away from the pin, but then he got hit by the car and then da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ba-da-ba. but, you know, I just think it's so silly. I think it's so, so silly. Like, it really interrupts my ability to emotionally connect with the psychology of suffering

when it happens that much. So, a little life, I think it's shit. It's hard because I don't think it's book of shit, and I've talked about it before, but I don't like it, and it's Elefina Ferante, and I know you love it. Yes. Yeah. And that's fine. Everyone I've met is like, yes, Neapolitan trilogy, but I've talked about my reasons.

It's not because it's a bad book. It's a brilliant book, but I have my reasons. I'm not a fan. I have my reasons. I have my reasons. For various reasons. Which I'd rather not go into. Which I already went into back in episode.

Can't remember the name, number. What about vice versa? A book that everyone hates, but you love. Ooh. I don't know what other people hate. Yeah, I've got no idea. What do people hate that I love? I could do with albums, but I can't do with books.

I don't really think there is... I can't. It'll probably be some shit rom-com. If it's a book, it means somebody likes it. Yeah, I can't think of a book that everyone hated or thought was rubbish. I don't read, like, Martin Amos. Nah, so. And those are the controversial ones, so no idea. Okay, next question.

Next question. What's your favourite exercise to do in the gym? Oh, this is hard, because my favourite one is actually the ones that give me the most, that are the most difficult because it shows that I'm doing something hard but the ones I least like doing so like a Bulgarian split squat would be... Yeah, but you know it's working.

You know you're fucking working whereas when I'm doing like a lazy little squat yeah, it's great and it's easy or a side squat. It's great, fun. Oh yeah, it's amazing, I'm so good at this. Yeah, you shouldn't be feeling like that. You should be feeling by the last rep, you want to die. Bulgarian...

I can't say it. So fast. Split squats. I found a really good because my ankles are super unstable and hypermobile, so I like roll them out all the time. So like not only am I feeling it in the glute, it's really forcing me on stabilising the front ankle. So for all of my weak ankle girlies out there,

Bulgarian split squat. Yeah, they are really good. But my favourite is dumbbell bench press. There's something so like I'm pushing a weight. I'm pushing away. And the thing is, is that I don't know if you get this, but I feel the knots in my back under my shoulder blades big time. And like, obviously doing it with a bar is more stable,

and that means that you can bench more. But the reason why I like the dumbbells is that is forcing all the little muscles in my forearm and wrists to work that bit harder. And you have to be more even between left and right. You can't just, like, put it all on your strongest arm. But the thing that I get with it is that sometimes on the push, that little bit of gristle under my shoulder blade, will pop and it's, sure, sex is good,

but have you felt a two-year knot in your back finally go, I'm constantly popping and clicking my like traps and neck and the person I'm dating is always like shuddering across the room and he hears a real click in my neck. And I really need to go for a massage. That's very naughty. But yeah, have you ever hung from, you know, the pull-up bars?

I know that you actually bother doing, trying to learn pull-ups, but I'm lazy as hell. But if you hang from them, it stretches your back right out. I can't do it. I'm not strong enough for that yet. I only hang from it like a couple of seconds than another couple of seconds. Don't think, Ash, that my strength is real. It's performative. Holy performative.

Right. I think we should do two more questions each. Okay. God, there's so many. Oh, I know. I know. Which one do I want to ask you? This is hilarious.

I don't know what that. ones. That's boring. Oh, if you had to support a different footy team, who would it be? I would choose death. No, you have to pick. No, no. Because no, like if you're talking about in the Premier League, no.

No, there is no had to. There is no had to. Who said Premier League? Okay, fine. Outside of Premier League, it would be Napoli or Marseille. What about you? See?

It wasn't so hard. But I had an emotional reaction to that and it's valid. Yeah. Imagine if I'd be like, you have to support Chelsea now. Jump out the window. I don't really support a team. So I think it's, I've been, it's funny. Every time I date someone I'm being made, I like get marched to watch the games.

And I enjoy it because I enjoy doing things that, you know, when I like someone, it's really nice being part of their world. But it fucking sucks when they lose. Oh my God. There is nothing like being around a football fan when your team loses. you guys need to like there needs to be some sort of creche that we put you in for two hours until you've processed the loss and can come back and talk again

The sadness crash The sadness crash Oh we went to the most amazing pub in North London recently that I'm sure you know about Which I won't say the name of because I don't want to blow it up But what a vibe Irish pub Camden area

Ah Incredible and the Arsenal match So they had all different matches on at the same time And the Arsenal match was on that day Oh, so many hoodies If you guys want to know where this is DM me because it's ripe

and there's a lot of Irish boys in there too They've got the GAA on Okay Okay Okay You'll go Oh right Come on this is for both of us

Who is your daddy and what does he do Two girls of daddy issues Who is my daddy He is a half No he's not half I'm half He was a Jamaican man Who was a lecturer

but he does nothing now because he is dead. Do you enjoy that? Did you use that the answer you wanted? Well, look, I mean, I've got a dead stepdad who, from Yorkshire, supported Leeds United was very grumpy, but in a kind of, I thought it was very funny when he was very grumpy. Like whenever I listen to the song Mardi Bump, I think about him because I'm just like Mardi as fuck.

but me and him had a really good relationship and my biological dad I'm not entirely sure he's still alive I can only assume he is I can only assume he is but usually find out when they aren't they just tell you mine disappeared for seven years and then we found out when he was dying that he was dying

you get told so you get told I mean all I say is that he is a six foot five Bengali man with an undiagnosed personality disorder six six five that is he gave me nothing he gave me no child support and gave me none of his height come on come on she really hot ash i don't know my mum clearly thought so my mom's sorry i i i you have good face so i'm imagining that you got like an amalgamation at six five i can see why he was a problem that's look that's my mama's face oh that's good i think i have a lot no i have some of my dads too

i'm an amalgamation of both um but yes there you go if you guys want to to know who they were. I do have a stepdad who's not married to my mum who helped, like, raise me. But he's still alive. So... Good egg? Yeah, he's just a classic. He's a very generous man, classic man of his age in that he is also very grumpy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that series grumpy old men?

I was like, God, this was made for my stepdad. But my life wouldn't be possible to live in the way it was and the way I do it without him. He made, he opened every door in terms of, like, fun. and stuff. That's sweet. Thanks. Thank you to him.

Okay. Okay. Last question. Ah, there's too many. Which one do you really want to answer? I can't, I can't think of one. Okay. There's so many.

This is hard. Oh, if you could learn one thing about your future, what would you want to know? Does communism happen? And if so, how? And can we do it sooner? The answer is no. Well, yeah, you don't know. China's on the, China's now back up in the stakes now that...

So funny, watching, like, Europe be like, oh no, big daddy America's not, not like a stable anymore to tell us what to do. Where's our new big daddy? They can't even conceive that middle powers is the favorite term they're in. Can't even conceive of, like, getting together and making something themselves. They're like, we need some big daddy is the centralizing force. How? We don't make any. thing. Literally. They're like

we need a big daddy to do everything for us. We just get supplies but it's so embarrassing guys and fucking Kirstama like going to China and being like, oh, I'm going this is such a huge trip and China doesn't give a fuck. That's the quietest quietest thing that happened that day.

They've got six other things. It's just so funny conceiving of the notion that for us is headline news Starmes goes to China first time someone who like a leader has gone from the UK since 2017 and then in China that's page 7 of the newspaper tiny item because we're so irrelevant we're so irrelevant to them and like daddy she is like who's this guy he's busy purging that's

what's all the news like this and they're just like oh a small someone from a small island came and visited us it's like i don't know someone for the moldeves poppy into britain you know Oh, embarrassing. Shall we wrap it up here? Because this has been, if I speak. We are 100 episodes old. We could not get here without you, our wonderful, emotionally intelligent, often good-looking listeners. If you like our podcast, if you are supportive of what we do, please consider becoming a supporter for Navarra Media.

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