If I Were You - 437: Black Lives Matter
Episode Date: June 1, 2020In this episode we try to get down some thoughts and feelings about these difficult, depressing times -- then do our best to answer some questions. If you're looking for donation resources, check out ...this helpful website.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.
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All right, welcome to If I Were You, a comedy podcast being recorded in a low point in human history.
A comedy podcast we must record because we have to release it today, but none of us feel very funny.
Yeah, this kind of reminds me of the morning after Trump episode where we're just like,
let's just talk about our feelings and what the hell we're going through right now.
Yeah, exactly. Only our feelings matter so much less in this specific scenario.
It feels weird to get through emails being like, this chick swiped me right on Tinder
and I don't know if I should hook up with her because she says she's in an open.
How I pine for those problems to be the problems. Wouldn't that be good?
For those to be the real problems, it's fun because they're superficial.
It seems like every three months we wish we could just go back to three months earlier
where things were, we thought was the lowest point, but didn't quite hit rock bottom yet.
Yeah, when it was just a pandemic?
Can you remember when it was just coronavirus and not this mass oppression
that we were actively fighting and experiencing through every major American city?
I guess the oppression and racism has always been there.
So rewinding the clock three months wouldn't really fix that.
But I guess the sort of boiling point that we're in feels kind of tough to live in.
Yeah, you went to a protest the other day in Brooklyn?
I did. I think, so Carnell went to one on Friday and Saturday
and I was sort of trying to build up my mental fortitude because, you know, pandemic.
You're told to stay away from the crowds, but I was feeling really awful, didn't know what else to do.
And then I went to the protest on Sunday and it was very nice.
It was not what I had built up in my head. It was not scary at all.
Everybody was keeping their distance. Everybody was very respectful.
You're listening to passionate moving speeches and it was an entirely,
I guess I wouldn't say nice time because it's like very emotional.
But it was a beautiful moment, I'd say.
That's right. Yeah.
And then as these protests often do, like one little bit of escalation from one party
creates this negative feedback loop and spirals out of control
and then you see these videos on Twitter or TikTok or wherever you're getting.
And then that's all you see.
Like there's one car on fire and that is it. It just dominates the news.
But there was a lot of nice stuff and no cars on fire where I was.
That's good. Or even more than the cars on fire is the looting.
Like everybody seems, the stories and the images and the videos that are most compelling
is the looting, the destruction of property, which seems to be like the third most.
Like if you're ranking everything, you're thinking of like,
okay, the worst thing of all is this system that's been built up and governmental and
systemic way to keep the white man on top.
And then there's the protest violence, which is awful.
And then even below that, I think is like destroying targets and whole foods and stuff like that.
But for whatever reason, that's the thing that gets focused on the most.
It is. And it's such a weird, yeah.
And it gets focused on the most.
And it's like nitpicked like, hey, this isn't helping the cause.
This isn't helping your cause.
This isn't going to change anything if you loot a target.
But that's like not the main thing that's happening.
And it's also, I don't know, net fine.
Yeah. That's the stuff that concerns me the least is how like these giant chain stores
are going to be affected by the broken windows.
But yeah.
And then you look at, you know, the leaders of America and that's the thing that they focus on the most.
Trump is not weighing in on whether or not there are systems in place that keep certain persons of color at the bottom.
He's more like, can you believe these thugs that are breaking the windows of a bar?
Let's fucking shoot them.
It's easier to like, you're nitpicking the process or complaining about,
you're complaining about like the, a foul or something, but not about like the game itself.
Yeah. I read a tweet that was like, if I killed one of your family members,
I'd think I'd understand if you broke one of my windows.
Like that, that part doesn't piss me off.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, this whole thing, this, I guess, this whole recent thing was set off by George Floyd
being literally murdered on camera.
So I guess that's what is the most alarming, upsetting, terrible thing about this
and seeing like people walk out of Patagonia with surfboards doesn't quite register as much as that.
Yeah. And also like Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery,
like people that was murdered in the street and like their murderers weren't arrested.
Somebody, Breonna was also just like murdered in her house.
They like kicked in the door and shot her.
So yeah, you can get the athleisure from Target.
Yeah. It's going to be okay.
So what are we supposed to do?
I'm just reading as much as possible, learning as much as possible,
trying to educate myself as much as possible.
I don't know. There's no like quick fix, obviously, to this thing that's been around since the beginning of America, probably.
It's early in like our education, I guess.
Like we can't come out, come on a podcast on Monday and like talk about how we think and feel.
It's, we've been sort of ignoring it or like futzing around on the edges and for too long.
So we have to dive in and I don't know anything yet.
Yeah. But we wanted to, I guess, not ignore it, but also not spend the entire episode on it.
So we figured let's just talk about anything about it for as long as we can.
And then maybe we'll take a break and then come back and try to record a normal podcast.
So people can pick and choose the experience that they want right now.
Do they want to listen to us sort of tiptoe around and try to figure out what our thoughts are
and speak them in a semi eloquent manner or do they just want to hear us answer questions?
I can't even get close to eloquent.
So if you want to skip ahead 10 minutes and talk about and talk to the Game Boy, let me know.
Just skip, skip, skip.
It's such a weird moment because there's like, I think that we're used to just like,
basically it's like a privileged position to always think about moments and like these cultural touchstones
to be like, how do I fit in? What does this mean for me? What do I do? How can I help?
But it's like this moment that's not about us.
So there's like some sort of learning curve to just being like, shut up, listen,
but also an inclination to help and do something by recognizing that you are on the top
and benefiting from the system that's in place that's hurting people.
So it's like, it's not about you, but it's about the system that you partake in actively into your benefit.
So I don't know. I didn't really have no fucking clue what to do.
Tell me how to ruin it from the inside.
It's weird to be like, oh, this whole thing is so messed up and it's making me feel really uncomfortable and sad,
like good. Yeah, that's fine. That's good. You can feel those things. And that's how I do feel.
Yeah, especially since we are the same color and gender as the bad guys of the story.
My life has been very, very easy.
So what can we do? Donate your time, donate your voice, donate your cash.
Yeah, donate your mind. You can donate your brain to science.
Really?
Anti-charity.
The URL we found that seems to have the most information and options to donate your money is blacklivesmatters.card.co.
It's hard to spell.
That's C-A-R-R-D.
Black Lives Matters Plural.C-A-R-R-D.co
Yeah, places to donate, you can donate to the victims, to the protesters, to the black-owned businesses, or other important places.
So that's just, if you don't have money to donate, you can spread the link, we'll tweet it, you can retweet, you can fave, every little bit helps.
That's right, amplify.
Yeah, and then you should probably be listening to podcasts where two white men aren't sort of batting around their feelings to each other.
Yeah, definitely. I would say that if you came here to, I mean, we're just sort of in the same moment with you if you're confused and uncomfortable.
There's definitely better podcast resources that can teach you much better than the enemy or can.
We're there with you and we'll listen to them too.
And then beside all this, there's also the coronavirus, which is still raging on, which is only going to be amplified by all the protesting and close proximity and people getting thrown in buses and vans and prisons and it's all getting worse.
It's bad and it's getting worse.
Yeah, I mean, this really, it's crazy that it took all four years of Trump's presidency to get to this point.
I guess we've been on a simmer for a while.
But like this, what we're in right now is what I feared when we were talking about the Trump election in the day after he was elected.
I mean, you see photos of the White House with its lights off and surrounded by fires.
It's like, OK, he is at the epicenter of this giant colossal meltdown.
Yeah, if you know, they put him in the panic room yesterday, right?
That's nice.
They should have left him there.
Somebody mentioned that like Joe Biden should just come out and start acting like president, like give a state of the union, like start talking and everyone just like we just crossfade to Joe Biden and like start to ignore Donald Trump completely.
That would be great.
I don't know if they just left Trump in the panic room.
It's like, OK, sir, this is for your safety.
There's no, there's no food in here.
There's no water.
That's fine.
There's the toilet.
You're morbidly obese.
So I assume you could survive for at least a few weeks off just water alone.
Closet.
This is the panic room, buddy.
I mean, he's not even kind of, he's not even saying anything.
He's not even addressing anybody.
He's just sitting there like tweeting about people stealing stuff from Walmart.
Yeah.
I woke up the other day and he just, I'm like, let's see what, let's see what's on Twitter.
And the top tweet was him tweeting China with an exclamation mark.
I'm like, all right.
That's interesting.
Good.
Nice.
Yeah.
He was also, like he was doing, he was trying to like make Obama gate happen or something.
Yeah.
Like using President Obama of a crime.
Like, yeah, OK, buddy.
That's like eye on the ball here.
Rome is burning.
So you'd have to point to your last president and say that it's going to make Obama gate
look like small potatoes or whatever you said.
Oh no.
We're fucked and it's getting worse.
Everything is bad and it's getting worse.
What, what'll be the next thing?
What will be the next thing?
Natural disaster.
I feel like we're due for one of those because, you know, they're, yeah, like the virus is
bad and then the cities are burning.
Like the oppression has reached a boiling point and now let's like throw in what?
A tornado or hurricane?
Oh, uh, forest fires.
That could be, that could be one.
Yeah.
Cause summer months are coming up.
Yeah.
I would, I'm with you.
Natural disaster.
That's the, that's, that's the icing on the cake.
That's like, oh, maybe, you know, like in Sims, when you could sort of create natural disasters
to your cities, um, I feel like we're, there's going to be a monster.
That's what's going to happen.
Oh, interesting.
A Godzilla of sorts.
Giant Kraken comes out of the sea, uh, in Miami and just sort of starts like pulling
buildings down with its tentacles.
That's what's next.
That's good.
At least the buildings are completely empty because of the disease.
Of the virus.
Yeah.
That's cool.
That's good.
Um, and so we're in June, three months from now is what September?
End of summer.
Um, September 1st, end of summer.
Do you think the world seems better or worse than right now?
Are we at the low point or are we like on our knees about to face plant onto rock bottom?
Yeah.
It's hard to, it's, it really all depends on what you consider rock.
Like are these protests, are they quote unquote good for society?
Because people have finally had enough and then we're having the difficult conversations
and then we're having the outbreak of anger.
Like you can say that this is all a good thing.
This is inspiring.
Like what's worse is the few months before this where all this stuff was still happening,
but everyone was silent.
So really it's hard to quantify good and bad.
But is the fever breaking right now or is it getting worse?
Yeah.
Or is it like pedal to the metal?
There's, we're not releasing just heading towards a disaster.
How can things get better?
I just don't, I just don't see a path unless like nothing can happen.
Like the, you can't dismantle centuries of oppression in three months.
The disease is around more people now than it was three months ago and we're starting
to reopen things.
So like that's going to be bad like Los Angeles two days ago.
It's like, all right, let's fucking reopen restaurants.
You can eat in a restaurant and everyone's like, who's going to go there?
Who's going to do that?
There's no, yeah, there's seemingly no strategy.
It's just like boredom or it's just like, you know what?
All right.
I don't care.
Open it up.
Yeah.
California is supposedly supposed to be one of the most liberal, smartest science-driven
States in Los Angeles, the California of California.
And they're like, all right, record case number is death still going up.
Let's open restaurants.
Let's do it.
Let's fucking open the restaurants.
Yeah.
New York city is supposed to be one of the most liberal cities in the world, if not the
most liberal city in the world.
And here we are like throwing protesters in jail and shit and escalating a violence in
the street.
Yeah.
That's a picture of a bunch of white millennials eating brunch in front of a protest.
I sure did.
I sure did.
Oh, well, zooming in.
That's you.
You're eating some sort of Benedict.
I honestly, yeah, it feels like that was a week ago that was me.
Yeah.
I can see you having corned beef hash and then behind you a police officer sort of escalating
the violence, throwing an old man down with his shield.
That's quite enough.
Okay.
What?
I was protesting as well because my toast was burnt.
Oh, yeah.
I have no idea.
That was the worst thing that had ever happened to me.
There's also an election coming up.
Sort of forget that.
Everyone was worried that the election would be all consuming a year of debates and how
annoying it will be.
Now the election is in November, it's June, and I haven't heard of Joe Biden in the last
few weeks.
We went to a protest yesterday.
That's nice.
Let's say that website again because we aren't a good resource, but we do, we have a small
platform and all we can do is try to direct people to the same resources that we're using.
Even if we don't fully know or have the same experience as the people we're trying to help.
But Black Lives Matters dot C-A-R-R-D dot C-O.
Yeah.
All right.
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America's still on fire, but we got some emails.
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And let's make this second half extra goofy.
Oh, sorry.
Okay.
That's all the energy I could muster.
Let's go.
I'll see you in a week.
Here's a suggestion email.
Not a question, but Anna writes, Jake might like Stardew Valley.
Stardew Valley.
What is that?
And yeah, I guess not sure if, yeah, she finds it like animal crossing without the stressful
parts.
It's more focused on the farming and resources and the people are actually humans and the
animals don't talk and the time doesn't pass while you aren't playing.
So you don't get yelled at by nook after a couple of days off.
Did that happen to you?
Did you get yelled at by nook?
I didn't get yelled at, but I've heard that people like, one of the residents of my island
was like, I haven't seen you in a while where if you've been that kind of thing.
But yeah, it's a little stressful that time passes in real time.
That was definitely a conscious choice to make it seem like I could never stop playing
animal crossing, but nook's not the boss of me and I have stopped playing.
Oh, you stopped?
Well not stopped, stopped, but over the weekend I definitely took some time off.
I didn't visit my island.
Yeah.
I saw you at the protest holding up a Nintendo switch.
I don't know if anyone had a charge.
All right, here's an actual question people had.
This one is from a 22 year old bisexual girl from the Philippines.
Okay.
We'll call her Filipe.
I've been with my boyfriend for almost five years now and he's literally perfect and
does not cause me any problems.
Our families are pretty close and my parents love him.
Here's my issue.
All this time alone and away from him because of quarantine has got me thinking that I haven't
had my life explored like in the dating world.
We met at a sophomore year of college and we've been together ever since so I didn't
get a chance to date around and explore new people.
He's really committed to me and even talks about wanting to marry me and start a family
with me and that's great and all, but I kind of don't want to settle down yet and I feel
like if I don't get out of this relationship now I'll have a hard time getting out of it
in the future.
Yeah, I mean she's been in it for five years.
I've only ever been comfortable with my sexuality these past few years and so I've never even
been with a girl before.
Basically to make a long story short I want to start dating girls, but I'm scared I might
be throwing away a good thing.
Hope you guys answer this.
Thanks.
Love you.
Hmm.
Well.
This is a weird time to be like, I want to see other people.
That being said I can't see anybody else for a couple months to a year.
But it is also true that like this moment right now is the easiest time you'll have getting
out of your relationship.
If you stay together through the quarantine it's going to be harder because you've gone
through another hardship and stayed together.
So your relationship is thus more fortified.
A little further it's like, oh we've been together for seven years.
We can't break up now.
There's like, it's not going to get easier to break up.
It only gets harder.
So if you're feeling like you want to break up, you should do it right now.
Yeah.
But then you can't, what are you going to, how are you going to explore your bisexual
side of dating women for the first time ever if you can't leave your house for very often?
You can do it virtually for a time until you're ready to start going on dates, IRL.
It feels like.
That's cool.
First thing time to be single, but like you could meet people on the apps, chat, chat,
see who you like, and then do a socially distant date where you go on a walk with a mask.
That's kind of nice.
It's like, I think you'd be happy to go on a date wearing a mask.
Pressure is pretty low.
You don't have to like make a first impression.
They won't see your face.
That's cool.
You could have a zip.
You can have bad breath, which was the hardest part for me dating, like oftentimes my gums
and plaque would reek of shit.
It's hard to say like stay six feet away from me when we're meeting up for the first time.
It's hard to say like I actually don't smell like tuna if I'm leaning in for a kiss and
I reek.
I reek of fish.
Yeah.
Tuna.
Yeah.
Well, I don't have to just brush your teeth.
That's true.
I feel like I should have written into the podcast.
I just got a whiff of your breath.
I don't know how over zoom.
I don't know how, but I just upgraded just wilted green.
Green steam came out of my mouth.
You have greasy breath.
Speaking of greasy, check out the headgum podcast.
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That'll be a good release.
Yeah.
Again, every, you always wish you can rewind time to two months previous, so I can't wait
to see what happens in early August to September that makes us pine for this day.
Insane.
Cannot imagine.
Cannot imagine.
Sure, it will happen.
I would also say, as you're breaking up with your boyfriend, tell him exactly why.
Tell him everything you told us, and he might have some insight as well.
Maybe he'll be cool with an open relationship, like seeing other girls might not be a bad
thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If he's been chill so far, he might continue that trend.
Yeah.
And a lot of guys are less threatened by women.
It's not like you're asking to date another guy.
You're like, I want to explore my female sexuality and date females.
He might be more open to it than just like, I want to date that dude versus you.
All right, here's another one.
This one's pretty funny.
Hey guys, we'll call this guy Reginald.
Hey guys, I have a question about pubes, writes Reginald.
When I started dating my GF, I noticed she has an interesting trim pattern.
She doesn't shave the underside of her business because she has sensitive skin, which makes
sense.
She said she trims it with scissors sometimes.
Sounds dangerous.
But I'd venture a guess that that trim doesn't happen too often.
I don't really like getting a mouthful of bush every time I go down on her.
If I bought a nice pube trimmer, would it be totally out of line to suggest she try
it too?
If it helps, I'm planning on proposing soon.
I have a ring and everything.
Thank you for your help.
I would propose first.
She might be changing her mind if you say you get down on one knee with a trimmer.
Will you shave yourself and marry me?
A mouthful of pubes.
So propose and then what's the most gentlest way to bring up the idea that he would prefer
if the pubes weren't as bushy on the underside despite the fact that she has sensitive skin?
Yeah, I just think you can't.
I just think you can't.
I don't know.
I don't think you can.
I think it's impossible.
I do.
Even if you're engaged to have an open, honest conversation about pubic hair, if you're coming
from the right place.
Yeah, I think when you're married, there's going to be a lot less puke maintenance.
If it wasn't happening during the courtship phase, it's not going to start now.
What about the fiancée ship of it all?
You're obligated to marry still, obviously.
It's not a real contract, but it's a social one.
You guys can talk about the fringe details like pubic hair, personal hygiene, things
of that nature.
And yeah, maybe something will come up that she can hopefully potentially maybe if she's
interested and wants to help you go down on her to trim the underside of her situation.
I think all you can do and this is really like I think you my true advice is to just
get used to having pubes in your mouth.
And that's fine.
That's someone you love.
I have no problem having pubes in my mouth.
Stranger's pubes never bothered me.
It's fine.
Even if it was in my soup.
Yeah, you like licking the vagina.
Just enjoy everything that comes with it, whether it's pubes or not.
It's all positive.
But if you feel like you really, really can't stand it, then I think the only measure you
can take is start having a meticulous pube grooming ritual for yourself.
Lead by example.
Don't ask your fiance to do anything you aren't doing yourself.
Pube wise.
Pube wise.
Maybe she'll be inspired.
Maybe she'll be inspired.
Maybe she'll see your pubes and be like, damn, that is, that's a neat line.
How did you get that?
They're all so uniform.
Yeah.
I'm intrigued.
How'd you get the fucking vicious triangle on top of your peen?
Is that a zero fade from your grundle?
Zero fade.
A comb over.
My mom's pubes has a bald spot.
All right.
One last question.
Sure.
Another lady from Vancouver, so we'll call her Canada.
Can you tell that we're drained creatively, that we're coming up with names that just
sort of rhyme with where these people are from?
Yeah, that's on us.
Again, I apologize.
Low energy.
Bad effort from us.
But here we are doing our best.
Low energy Jeb and Sleepy Joe are hosting this one.
I'm going to take off my mask.
How funny is it that Trump's nickname for Joe Biden is Sleepy Joe when last election,
he couldn't come up with that adjective Sleepy for someone he called low energy Jeb.
So you should have used, you're saying he should have, he should have waited on low
energy.
Well, it should, no, it should have been Sleepy Jeb.
Like low, it's insane that a nickname was four syllables long, low energy Jeb.
And then he was like, oh, it's so much faster to say Sleepy.
Sleepy Joe.
That's right.
Anyhow.
All right.
Have you resigned yourself to the idea that Trump might win the election in November?
Like we'll just have another 40 years of this guy?
I guess no, I have not.
I can't accept it and I can't.
All right.
Media writes, long time listener and you guys have got me through multiple unrequited loves.
Yeah.
Not even breakups.
Lol.
Glad I got to shake Amir's hand in Vancouver in 2018 before it was illegal.
I swear it wasn't me that gave you the flu.
So hear me out.
Baby zoomers.
The name for the next generation of people born after COVID.
Yay.
Nay.
Genius.
Thoughts.
I'll see myself out.
You're welcome.
This next generation of people are going to be called baby zoomers.
That's pretty solid.
The weird thing to me, I guess, is that like calling someone a zoomer because they were
born during zoom, like while other people were zooming.
Like isn't it weird because it implies that they are the ones that use zoom all the time,
but really it was their parents that were using zoom all the time.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But baby boomers are because the parents were fucking after the war and there was a boom
of babies.
Right.
Yeah.
They called it the baby boom.
So you're like, oh, I'm a baby boomer.
Yeah.
So it'd more be like what is, I get the spirit of this and I think it's not bad at all.
I think it's pretty solid.
You'll allow baby zoomers.
Yeah.
I guess it would.
Want to feel old?
This baby zoomer is four months.
What will that next generation be called?
I don't know.
We're millennials.
There's like the silent generation, baby boomer, Gen Y, Gen Z, that's the young generation
right now.
Yeah.
And who comes up with the names of it?
They haven't gotten like their moniker.
I don't know.
Well, if you're out there, I'm going to Google the different names.
What are the names of the generations?
Generation naming systems.
And is it just an American thing?
I don't know that either.
Are you a baby boomer if you were born during that time, but in like London?
Maybe because it was all about the world war.
All right.
Well, there's a giant Wikipedia on generation.
So I, and I don't think it's the right kind.
We'll see you in another two weeks, I guess.
I've got, well, I have some other more important reading to do, to be honest.
Now you should really get to the bottom of why they're called Gen X.
Yeah.
I am seeing that now.
Post millennials, that's what this one next one is called.
Post millennials headed by when post Malone was born.
Everybody after post Malone is a post Maloneal.
Okay, Zoomer.
Okay, consumer.
Ooh.
I don't know if I trust the idea or I don't know if I like the idea of a generation being
named after a product though.
Like that's free advertising for Zoom.
That bumped me a little bit too, actually.
It is crazy how much Zoom is killing it.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
This was like even Google can't get in there.
No, I heard of this technology like the day after the pandemic, I think, right?
Yeah.
And by that time, it was already like a publicly traded company.
So it had to have been around for years and years.
And we just didn't like, just like, look for Zoom in your email, were we on a Zoom call
three years ago and just didn't realize it?
It's like a weird tech, like struggling startup.
It's like, and for a year or two, I think I like recorded podcasts with you over FaceTime
and with Murph and Emily and Caldwell on like Google Hangouts.
It was so laggy and bad.
Yeah.
The big problem is like when two people are talking at once, how does the software handle
that?
Because some people, like some software, it's like, let's just silence everybody and you
can't hear anything.
Some people let the louder person talk and the silence the other person.
Some people let both of them at the same time.
Yeah.
Zoom does a pretty solid job of blending that audio.
So like even when three people are talking over each other, you hear everyone.
I don't know how to do that.
Yeah.
I think I've noticed that like the loudest person is the clearest and then you can still
hear the other people.
Looks like our first Zoom call was actually in late October.
Wow.
So we were using it relatively recently, but still before the pandemic.
Yeah.
We did it for a head gum company-wide meetings.
Interesting stuff.
Oh, yeah.
When all of New York and all of LA were in the same room, we only needed two of us.
That's right.
Weird.
A time of innocence, a time of zooms.
All right.
Well, we definitely talked for 30 to 40 minutes, which is pretty good, all things considered.
Yeah.
We got it out.
I mean, late, low energy, bad, but can you blame us for that?
Honestly, it's your problem if you're not happy with it.
That's on you.
I didn't do anything wrong.
I accept something.
All right.
For more questions and answers and theme songs, send it to ifiriyushowatgmail.com.
We didn't open with a theme song, but we did get a good one from Vicky this week, so maybe
we can close with it.
Vicky-
Yeah, why not?
I think she said shout out her boyfriend.
Let me look up her boyfriend's name.
And there's more silliness to be had on the headgump podcast and our Patreon has videos.
We're quizzing each other, we're taking the SATs, we're answering questions, we're watching
our old videos.
Indeed.
That's a nice description.
Tens of hours, a lot of stuff on our Patreon.
Yeah, Vicky wrote a theme song.
Shout out to her boyfriend, David.
So thank you to Vicky and David.
Thanks to you guys for listening.
The URL again, if you would like, if you can spare anything, is blacklivesmatters.card.c-a-r-r-d.c-o.
Yeah, thanks for listening, we'll be back next week.
I can't wait to see what the future holds.
Yeah, I'm hopeful and scared.
We'll see.
Today we're gonna seize the cheese.
Buy some beard oil and eat Jake's mom's cookies.
A mirror can't stream us to your shows.
His wifi sucks and there's no fios.
What'd I do if I were you?
A peanut butter and salad too.
What'd I do if I were you?
And listen to these two poiches.
That was a hate gum podcast.