IHIP News - Insider Reveals the Secret Lives of Tech Oligarch's & MTG Takes Down Trump

Episode Date: April 11, 2026

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You know, Marjorie Taylor Green has been going through some things. Yeah, she is. And it's pretty fascinating. She's going to announce she's a lesbian soon. Go ahead. Come on. All right, listener, you know legendary journalist Kara Swisher from her podcast on with Kara Swisher and Pivot. Now she's hosting a new CNN original series investigating the promises and pitfalls of the longevity industry called Kara Swisher wants to live forever, premiering Saturday on April 11th at 9.

on CNN. Kara. Hi. Listener. Kara and I have been on each other's podcast virtually. Yeah, virtually. Never met in person. And then we started a text friendship that is robust and fun. And this is our first time to meet in person.

I know. It's real. It's weird. Yeah. You look exactly like I thought you were. You do too. Yeah. I'm tiny and you're tall.

Yeah. Did you think I was tall? Of course. Yeah. Okay. But I write tall. That's what. So when people meet me all the time and I'm pretty short and they are always like,

I thought you were tall. And I'm like, I write tall. I podcast tall. You give big girl energy. I give big girl energy. Yeah. Okay. Before we dive into your show on CNN, we have to dabble into a little bit of this crazy political week.

Obviously. Hello. What do you think I'm here for? Yeah, exactly. And so this is what, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green has been going through some things. Yeah, she is. And it's pretty fascinating. She's going to announce she's a lesbian soon.

Go ahead. Come on. You're right. That's the next where we're headed. Story art. Yeah. Why didn't I see that? I'm just going to look over at you and say I'm in love, but anyway, we'll see. Oh my gosh. Okay. So she recently said this this week to her supporters. Play the clip. I mean, all the things that happened, we supported him through Zick and Zinn, and that has glued people,

glued people to think they have to support him through anything and everything. And that's wrong. That's absolutely wrong. The American people have to open their eyes and deal with reality and deal with truth. And the truth is, look, you may have supported President Trump for 10 years like I did, like you have, but this is not the same man. This is not the same man that we supported. And he is not doing the thing. Okay.

This is the same man. Marjorie, you just found out you had a bad boyfriend, like that, you know, that realization. Like, hey, you got, all of us knew what the situation was for you. You think she's framing it like this because she's offering people an off ramp that maybe she has been deprogrammed from the call. A little bit. Although every now and then, she starts to back, ask her about trans people. Ask her right. Like, let me tell you.

One of the things, it's great to have, you know, Megan Kelly was saying something sensible the other day. He's, you know, he's, and then she veers into something weird. Like, that's the problem is when you start to poke them, they're back to their, you know, their old shape, essentially. But in this case, they had, you know, in a cult-like way, they believed in something, and then they pulled out. And a lot of her stuff, especially Marjorie Jo Greene, was extremely online, right? Very much like a cult thing. She was extremely online. She was, and she's very good at it. But she got pulled into what is essentially a cult, a digital cult, and didn't plummet very far, you know, because she liked the feeling of being in that group. And then, you know, when it became clear, what they actually were up to, which they had never had her interests at heart. She's a true believer that was like, wait a second. They don't believe what they're saying, which should have been apparent to her forever. She's a smart person. That's obvious. Right. Her intelligence surprised me. Oh, no. Because when she first came on the scene, the Jewish space lasers and all of that stuff. And then her

evolution has kind of surprised me. But I'm with you on this. When I hear a 30-second clip of Tucker or a 60-second clip of Candace Owens even, the most famous crazy person in America, you're kind of like, oh, okay, they're spitting facts for a second. But then you have to remember, like in the last two months, Tucker Carlson was calling somebody in this podcast. Why can't I say the word F-A-G-G-O-T? Yes. It says it like 10 times in a row. Marjorie Taylor Green will make this passionate plea online for Palestinian children, but outside her office, there's a sign that says there are only two genders. Right, right. Well, people contain multitudes, right? I mean, that's Walt Whitman. But one of the things is interesting about someone like Candace Owen, and I did, I had her husband at an event because he

ended up running one of the social media networks that had gotten shut down after January 6th. And then he was running it for a little bit interesting person from Britain, very much involved in the right wing movement in Britain. And couldn't be lovelier in person. I have to say, hey, Kara, hey girl. It was like that kind of thing. And I was like, it's so disconnect. You know, some of them are quite different offline as they are online. Right. And that's the problem.

You know, I used to spend some time with Megan Kelly. I think she's actually changed, actually. Right. Actually. And people do that. That happens. Yeah. But couldn't be, you know.

And then, of course, she would say a thing about, you know, Santa is white. Like, and you'd be like, what? Like, right. Santa doesn't exist, girl. Like, that's the thing. And so, I mean, sorry kids, but it's the truth. And so it's a weird thing because a lot of it is performative. But some of them have then become the things they're performing.

Like I truly think Alex Jones has some issues, mentally speaking, right? He's moved into some weird conspiracy theory. I think Tucker Carlson has changed. If you talk to people who knew him in the before times, they liked him. He was reasonable. He was interesting to debate. And a lot of it was with the bow tie was performative. Same thing with Megan.

And the question is, was, was, like, someone like Marjorie Taylor Green really quite culty and then suddenly had an awakening and changed in a different way. And I fully, possibly in 10 years, she'll be like, I can't believe I said these things about gay people. I can't believe. Well, especially at her coming out episode on with her. She, you know, who knows? I think one of the things that we have to allow people to do. And I know the left does not like this is allow them to change. We have to have uncomfortable allies. And then when they push on the other things, that's when you push back.

And I think it's really hard in this environment because people are so angry about the things the Trump administration is unjustifiably so. It's not going to, you know, Scott Galloway, my partner always says, you want to be effective or do you want to be right? Like which one do you sometimes you have to compromise, especially on things that are important. And I often talk to, you know, anti-gay people. if there's some way to do something else.

And then we get to that later. Right. We can't be constantly at odds with each other or else we'd never get anything done. I think that you're really on to something about allowing people to politically evolve. I've evolved a lot in the last 15, 18 months. I was a garden variety MSNBC viewer

and didn't really think beyond the way those politics were presented to me. And in the backdrop of living in Oklahoma, My friends thought I was a communist. Right. I just thought I was super, super, super progressive. And then we started the podcast and some of our listeners called me a centrist. Right.

I was mortified. Right, right. Me? A centrist? But I started really diving into these things. And I've evolved in my co-host, Pumps. She was a right-wing evangelical Christian. And now she's the biggest ally, you know, to marginalized communities on the planet.

So I do think we need to allow political evolution in all sorts of ways. It's a lot of hurt. There's a lot of hurt. There's a lot of damage. And there's no question about that. But there's no way to move forward if you assume everyone is the enemy. And I don't mean to say, let them get away with things. Trust me. That's not what I'm saying. It's that, you know, I think you have to realize people are complicated and allow that. Like often, sometimes I'll say, oh, I wish I had been in the military. And I get a lot of what? You can't. Not you. And I'm like, no, my dad was in the military. I have a lot of respect for people in the military. Well, that's like, that's right-wing talking points. I was like, what are you talking about? Like, my dad came from nothing. He paid for medical school. It was good for him. I wish I had the opportunity, but I was gay and I couldn't be.

Like, you have to let, you know, or sometimes I talk about business. They're like, all you care about is money. I'm like, well, I kind of like being an entrepreneur. So you have to sort of, like, you don't have, like, it's very easy to play into this. And it also surprises people on the right sometimes, you know. they're like, oh, San Francisco lesbian. I'm like, just a second. There's a lot of different things we can have different opinions on.

And that's where we have to go as a country, I think, to be effective and get along. And I think one of the things that happens in this environment, especially because of online, it creates a binary, like absolute binary when it's much more confusing than that for most people. If they admit it, but you feel like you have to like get onto a team. I was never a team player, so it's fine by me. but that's the problem. I think it's safe to say you probably are a team player for the Ls. The LGBT castles.

Yes, I am, of course. But I don't like everything about it. Sometimes I'm like, come on. Right. Like, let's try to figure out. Let's let's let's not people have their space. There should be a line where I'm going to get married. So get the fuck out of my way.

Right. Versus at one time I was in Silicon Valley. I couldn't believe this happened. And someone, it was during the gay marriage thing, right? And I believe, I'm a believer. the 14th Amendment. I'm like, it says equal rights under the law. It's pretty freaking clear. And I know they're trying to wreck the 14th Amendment. It's a great amendment. It's my favorite amendment. You think of the first was, but the 14th is. And so

some venture capital is a white guy typical during the thing. And he goes, you know, I like a lesbian. And I did that joke. Like, hmm, lesbians. Like, we're in some porn movie. And he goes, but gay male sex, I don't like it. And so I was sitting there and no one knew it to say and I go, well, if you don't like gay male sex, you should stop having it. And he goes, what? And I said, you just said, you don't like gay male sex. Why are you doing it? And he goes, I'm not having gay male sex. I said, then why did you say you liked it? Like, I don't understand. And I said, are you lying about having gay male sex? Or do you not like, or do you have gay male sex? And you don't like it? Because if you don't like it, I said, this zucchini on this plate,

I don't like it. I don't like it. I said, stop having gay male sex. And he was like this. And I, and then I looked at him, I said, don't you ever say that again about a group of people. Thank you. And I embarrassed him and it was done. And it was great. That is a masterclass. It was. I mean, that is one of my greatest moments.

Okay. So you're very familiar with Silicon Valley. And Roe Kana has been really, really making moves. He has. I've known him a long time. He has bipartisanship with Thomas Massey. Those two ramrodded. He's also over at Bernie Land for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah. Those two ramrodded the release of these. Epstein files. And now they're getting an assist from Melania. Oh, my God. Who knows? Because her husband is unified her. Right. Only fire. Okay. So Roe-Connor, pop this up. Roe-Kana tweeted about Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green, future incoming L of the LGBTQ pluses. Roe, I agree with you. We need a strong populist coalition of the right and left. that can come together on the most important issues of future generations, no easy task,

blah, blah, blah. I think a lot of us, you know, I'm a split screen. I both want to allow for evolution. God, I don't trust that bitch. No, right? That's correct. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like we have this, the civilized conversation.

Now they can turn at any moment. Yes. Done it, right? Yes. So that's the way of life, right? You have to, you know, I always say trust but verify, essentially. and then just wait and see and make sure. It doesn't have to be, you know, this country has been built on,

it really has been built on bipartisanship in a lot of ways because there's so many conflicting feelings among indifferent people. It's always been moving forward if you really think about it, not as fast as some people want and way too fast for others. But, you know, at some point, if you couldn't, like one of the people that I think would surprise you that some in the right like very much is AOC. Right. I talk to a lot of the more conservative ones, and they're like, she's a good person to work with, right?

Even if they're going to go later and say this crazy, you know, New York communist, they'll do that too. Right. But I have to say, if someone who gets kudos for working across the aisle, she's one of them. And so that to me is sort of the template. You work where you can, you fight where you have to kind of stuff. And that's really hard for us, given that Trump puts us all in this tribal binary, extremely online where it's all about dunking. It's never, because you can't have an intelligent thought in a tweet.

You just can't do it. You can't do it. And so then it's all about action and reaction, action and reaction. And it appeals to the base elements which Trump understands at a very basic level. What do you make of Roe Conant kind of being the leader of the progressive flank of the Democratic Party right now? Sort of. He can go and, you know, he and I had a, it's interesting because. He's sort of now sort of billionaire taxing thing, but at one point he was quite up in their grill

together. Right. He was meeting with Elon and a bunch of them. And I said, you know, Roe, let me send you some stuff so you understand who these people are. This was years ago. And whether it was David Sachs or others, he was taking their money. I get it. I'm not, you know, I'm not that, you know, I understand politics and they need money.

And he's like, well, I feel like it's important to meet them. And then he went against them. And the minute he went against them, they attacked him. relentlessly. And he goes, it looks like you were right about them. I'm like, it's just pay attention, though, like kind of stuff. So one of the things about him, of course, is he too, is he too ambitious? That's going to be the take on him. I think that's the one you see the most. I don't mind it. I think he's been out there. I think he's been out there and doing things. I really like him. And it's really, he's a really interesting guy. He's highly intelligent. He obviously likes attention. Everyone's

like, oh, he loves attention. I'm like, no shit Sherlock's over you. Like, I'm sorry. You all do. kind of thing. Right. And they, but I like him. He's really, he's kind of presents a sort of different, I know you and Gavin have beefs and stuff like that. But yeah, he got mad at that question years when I asked. Oh, he did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, listener, she did a sit down with Gavin. Yeah. And she always will bring in a question via video. And she had me ask a question. And I think, what was my question? I forgot. It was about things he said, like his, you know, his, I think being not, not sincere. I think. Yeah, I think it was, we need to get back to normal. Right. What do you tell? The Democratic Party needs to get back to normal. And in Oklahoma, when people use the word normal, or people use the word

traditional, right. It's really dangerous in red supermajorities because that is coded language for Jennifer and Karen need to be in the kitchen. Right. No lesbian wife for you. Right. It's a very dangerous statement to make. And you have the luxury of making those statements. in California. Right. Exactly. In New York, you don't have to fight for normal. You walk out, you breathe liberal air, and it's like, what is normal? Tax the millionaires. Everybody accepts gay people. Everybody accepts that women can have careers. It's not that way in Bible Belt states. Exactly. And so I think he was really, I'll tell you, you got under a skin. He got skin. I would say hair up his ass is the way I would describe it. He was like really mad about it. And so I think

I kind of liked it because what made him uncomfortable is interesting to me. Like, because I think deep down he understands that. And by the way, let me just say Gavin Newsom was very brave at a time when others weren't. Yeah. He absolutely did gay marriage and it absolutely hurt his career and it absolutely wasn't a good choice at the time. And many people at one point I was with a very famous political figure and they were upset because Gavin had messed up like they'd been too much gay marriage.

And they said to me, America's not ready for gay marriage. And I said, well, it's called leadership, which he showed and you don't. Yeah. So in that way, he's a complex figure. And that's why I think he's interesting when he lets it out. And I do think for any politician, he clearly wants to be president. He needs to keep going in spaces during this primary part. And you get dirtied up.

You realize, oh, wait, this is not playing. And I think when Democrats can quit crowdsourcing and quit polling and quit focus grouping and just speak on what they are, like Roe came to New York. work and he sat down with me for an hour. And I said, so I think we're in talking about he's not scared of you. Not at all. I said, I think we're in talk about his. It doesn't matter. Ask me anything you want to. Yeah. And he sat down. There's no request to edit anything out. Right. No. Because he is genuinely standing on business. He had a political evolution about the dangers of these oligarchs brings me. I want to dive into. When you talk about stuff like that, a little bit goes to

the voters. Like, let's stop relying on them as the answer. Like, That's the problem is we give far too much power to tech oligars. We give far too much power to politicians. Like, let's stop judging them. Maybe you start judging ourselves. You know, in some ways, it's the voters. If you react like that when they act like real people, they're going to stop acting like real people, right?

It's sort of like insulting your friends. Don't say that. Don't do that. And you have kids. You know that. Right. Don't, you know, you have to let people be who they are. And I think we're very, we can be very censorious on everybody.

And by the right is doing it like crazy right now. You have to sort of tow the line or else kind of stuff. And then you have a Tom Tillis. I just interviewed him who is, you know, they're calling too late Tom. But I'm like, I don't care. He's the one that did the kill shot of Christine Homes. So everyone's like, yeah, but before he voted, I was like, I don't care. Right.

Like, yes, what do you want me to say? And he had a really good line, which I thought was, I said, well, now you're able to speak your mind. And I think you all along thought that. Of course he did. He couldn't because, and he goes, you know the definition of martyr. And I said, no, tell me. And he goes, they're dead. And politically, if I had done that, I would have been dead earlier. And now I'm in a position. You know, it was really interesting. And I don't mind. I get it. Right. No, but I think you have a good point that we need to as an electorate focus on what we're demanding of politicians. Dismiss the ones that crowdsource, that pick me politicians. Right. Yeah. And those that stand.

on business. Like, I disagree fundamentally, politically with Thomas Massey. But I respect him because he has stood up for these victims, these survivors. Yes. And so I have respect for that. Okay, I want to dive into the oligarchs because this is your area of expertise. I interviewed. You met any yet? None. Okay. I interviewed. I interviewed Ronan. I love to see you with Elon Musk. Oh, oh my gosh. He does not like me. He's mean tweeted about me a lot. Has he? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd also like you because you're pretty. I don't know what to do here. Okay. So I interviewed Ronan Farrow yesterday. I'm just saying you look like a lot of his ex-wives. Just so you know, I do. Is that an insult? No. Okay. They're very beautiful. Okay. Thank you. All right. I interviewed Ronan Farrow yesterday's New Yorker. Ron is great. Loved. And a lot of people referred to Sam Altman as a sociopath. Yes, I saw.

in his reporting. What's your take on that? I think that's a little strong. You know, I think what's interesting is where does he rank on the, like, is he less or more so than Elon? It's sort of hard. Like, which do you pick, right? Right. I don't think he's as bad as Elon by any, by a long stretch. Right. At the same time, he's, you know, I met him when he was 19, Sam. And I like Sam. And at the same time, he's also manipulative. Again, it's this like, but so is Mark Zuckerberg. So is Elon Musk in spades, along with some mental illness happening, you know, or whatever's going on. And real damage to people, actually, through Doge and stuff like that. And so I have a little, I guess I'm more jaded in some fashion. You know, at one point, when I was reading, I thought Ronan did a great job,

but like, I can't believe he lied to me. I'm like, really? You can't believe it? What? Like, he's, like, I can't believe. It's sort of like when people say, I can't believe what Trump tweeted. I'm like, really? Marjorie is saying, I can't believe he's Jane. I can't believe he said that about, you know, killing people. I'm like, I don't know, when he was doing the whole thing with the making fun of the disabled reporter. I was like, let's grab him by the pussy. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, what tipped you off?

Who has any effect? If he said something sweet, I'd be shocked. That's where I'd be shocked. So, you know, it was a really good piece. And I think the question is, I think there's a broader question with Sam. Like, instead of deciding which one of them is worse, right? To me, that's pointless. us, why are all these troubled people in charge of everything?

Yes. That's what it is. It's like, maybe you'll get a good one. Like Mark Cuban is great. I love Mark Cuban. He's great. But he wasn't to start with. I can tell you that.

He and I used to beef all the time. He was arrogant. He's evolved. That's great. But I still don't want Mark Cuban in charge until he's elected or until something else. So why do we give all the power to these? Why do we have an idolatry of innovators that they get to decide everything? Because they are troubled.

some of them are broken, but they certainly are homogeneous. So why are we giving them all the power? And I don't care if it's... Sam Alton, yeah, he lies. Guess what? He said it was going to be about safety. Oh, no, it wasn't because it was about money. Oh, my God, you're kidding me.

Like that kind of thing. Like, I never thought he was Jesus, right? So I'm not sure why. What do you... We expect that of these people. They're in it for the money. What do you make of, I notice there's a through line in all of these men, whether it's Zuckerberg, Altman, Musk.

Broken. broken broken but they also seem to be um they project that they're so oppressed like just oh the victimization it's unbelievable to think about having welcome to my bank account that could choke a bull yes and then you just sit around in the fetal position online yes acting like the world is stacked against you like cheese with titty babies yes as we call in the south he's okay i have never to keep that one like what is quiver me right right I grew up in, you know, the United States. Capitalism was the heartbeat of it. And I was good capitalists. And I like to make many. And I've never seen an advertisement for

against the accumulation of wealth as much as this fleet of billionaires. I agree. They're whiny babies. I call them adult toddlers many years ago and they got offended by that. I've had so many of them, you're so mean to me. I was like, get a fucking dog, like sack up boys or get back on the porch. I was like, I don't know what to tell you, but we're in the big leagues here. you can take it from me. Like it's really, and like, what do you care what I think of you? You have like a million billion dollars. You have fuck you money. I know. Well, the thing is, why I have fuck you money unless you can say fuck you, right? They don't. They make participation trophies for him. I know. And so what's really sad to me is, and they're all like this. Like, um, there's something that aren't,

like Cuban, like I can throw down with him and then the next day we can have lunch. It's like, is he self-deprecating. Yes. It doesn't matter. But it does, he know, he can take it. Like if I disagree with him somehow he's not a wilting flower he's not made a paper machet yeah and one of the things that is characteristic is they're all like you know there's a great series the audacity coming out i just interviewed the cast of it it's great it's on amc totally watch it right that down but there's a there's there's a character played by zach gallic vanacus it's about silicon valley people it'll teach you a lot it's really it's sort of the next version of the original silicon valley which i helped advise on which they were a lovely and adorable in that here they're like the way they are

And one of the things he goes, he goes, they're so terrible to us and they should give us a parade for what we brought them. You know what I mean? Like, why don't we should get parades and kudos? And I'm like, get a fucking dog. Like, I don't know what to tell you. If you want people to love you, be lovable for one. And two, this is not, you know, that at one point, someone recently, they were, was interesting.

I wrote Burn book and someone came out to me and they said, that was really me. And I'm like, well, fucking get used to it. Whatever. And they, and now they came up to me. oh, it wasn't mean enough. And I was like, why are we saying the word mean? It's, I'm reporting what they're like. And it's just really hard to like when you have them like that, why they can't, why they see it as, it's not that it's not personal because it is personal sometimes, right? But at some point, you have to be like, just, what do you care what I think? Just exactly.

You obviously do. It's something, you know, my husband or my boys when they were little and you have boys, they would say to me like, oh, I unloaded the dishwasher. And I would say, oh my God, let's have a parade down the street. I do that with my voice. Dylan did a normal activity today. Yeah, or Josh would say, I babysat the kids for you on Friday. I was like, let's have a parade. Josh lived his life and watched children under the same roof.

This, this, the wanting praise. Yeah, I'm not your butler. It's my favorite with my kids. Yeah. Your servant. I remember that when I saw Zuckerberg, because I saw them all in this brand new light, under Trump 2.0. I never didn't pay a whole lot of attention to him before, but I kind of just, oh, they're

from Silicon Valley, they're from California. I lived in Oklahoma, Bible Thumper, America, so I thought they were all liberals. Right. No, they're not. They never were. No. And Zuckerberg, on Joe Rogan, when he said, I just felt like the work environment, I felt like we were neutered under Biden.

And I'm like, yeah, what man says that an 82-year-old man neutered him? He didn't. He was mean to him. He was mean to him. You know, I couldn't believe that that even came out of his mouth. And then I realized he must be surrounded by just complete. Oh, no, yes, people. Yes. I'll tell you two stories. One, I mean, I ran into one the other day. They're like, oh, you know, we're being so pilloried in this or I go, that's what the fucking money's for from madman. I'm like, I'm not here to love you. That's, you're getting money. So hush up and move along. And one of the things, one of the encounters I had with Zuckerberg, I've had some famous interviews with him where he ends up melting in a pool of, butter, essentially. And the first one, he sweat, he physically sweat. It's a very famous interview. I was just asking about privacy. It wasn't like it was a hard question. And he had obviously a

physical reaction. And I felt bad. And I helped him take off his jacket and then tried to calm him down. Like a mother, I was very maternal. If you go look at the video, I was not mean. I was being very kind. And I could have gone in for the kill. But I didn't. Because you've argued lesbians should raise all the boys. I was thinking that. And he's actually his mother's lovely. And, and Then we had another interview where he said Holocaust deniers don't mean to lie. He got in big trouble. Every time he talks to me, he says something. He manages to come out with something.

And we were in his office once, and he had taken a picture. I'll never forget this, in Tiananmen Square jogging. He'd just been over to China. And he also had a photographer that followed him everywhere, like he was like Prince Charles or something. And I was like, why does he have a photographer chronicling him? Like, what is he? Like, you know, the baby Jesus, what's happening here? And the photographer even was like, I can't.

can't believe this is my life. Like, I have to chronicle this, this yo-yo. And, um, and he, the picture of him jogging to him in a tractor. There was him, like he was in the Midwest, but his, kind of Christy numb. Yes, and his shoes were like very expensive on a tractor. And I was like, okay, those are really expensive fucking shoes you got on the tractor in Kansas. And, um, and so it was cosplaying, like, cosplaying. Yeah. It was like, it was more like Marie Antoinette. That's what it felt like. But he was jogging to him. Square. And I said, wow, that picture. And he goes, oh, did you like it? I go, oh, no, no, no. And I studied China propaganda in college. So I finished college. And I said, no, you just handed the Chinese Communist

Party an incredible advantage there because you're jogging in Tiananmen Square. And he goes, well, everyone thought it was a great picture. I'm like, everyone who works for you thought it was a great because they have to tell you that because you pay them. Like, I don't get paid by you, but I'm here to tell you, one, in China right now, there's a really serious pollution issue killing children, and you were jogging. So it looks like it's healthy in Beijing. Life is not healthy in Beijing for most people at that moment that was undergoing a real controversy, but they tamp it down in China. And so I was like, so you're showing how healthy it is to be in China. And it is not healthy being in China. And I had just been there, and it was a great wall, and there was a lot of smog.

And I said, this smog is terrible. It's obscuring the thing. And they go fog. I go, oh, no, smog. This is me arguing with the Chinese, my attendant. And they're like, no, it's fog. And I go, no, I live in fucking San Francisco. This is smog. We have fog in San Francisco. You have smog, which is pollution. And it was like this back and forth.

So I said, you just gave them like a PR victory. And I'm sure they showed it because you're the famous rich American thinking it's safe enough to jog. And I said, and then, of course, gentlemen square. And he goes, what's wrong with that? I go, oh, my God. And I said, let me help you because I think you were 12 at the time. but there was a guy with a briefcase. There were tanks.

He kept moving. It was a whole symbol. I said, Chenaman Square. And I was like, you just completely gay. If you understand propaganda, you just handed them a great one. And he's like, well, I don't agree with you.

I said, you don't have to, but you're a fucking idiot to take that picture. Like, you just handed them a great thing. And they're thrilled because you want to do business there. And that's fine, but don't be an idiot. Right. Just happened. What do you make of Peter Thiel's, side hustle and giving lectures about the Antichrist?

I just, I don't know what to say about it. It's crazy. He's crazy. Now, let me tell you, Peter Thiel's very smart. I will give him that. I read all his books. He was, he has been consistently who he is throughout. A crazy person.

They were all sort of cosplaying liberals, but they weren't. He was always conservative. He was always had some, you know, I would say religious, yes. You know, and he's become more so over time. and so I think he's moving into delusions, I suspect, which often happens when people get, you know this, you get very religious, you know more than I, but it seems like these people aren't satisfied to be good at what they're good at, which is making money or creating technology. Now they have to, like Bill Ackman talking about DEI, I don't give a fuck what he thinks about

what is he wandering over here for? Now he's like arguing with one of his employees in his family office. What's the deal with his posts that are like, the tweets are just, insane. You have a real understand. He wasn't hugged enough as a child. That really gets down to but it's like why do they think they can comment on everything? I sort of want to be like, I feel like I'm going to do a 20-part series on hedge fund investing of which I know nothing. And I think I'll do that. I feel like I'm qualified, which is to say I have no qualifications, just to pontificate. And they just can't stop. They got a taste of fame. And now they want to, you know,

they want to talk about this. In Peter's case, I genuinely think he's religious, you know, except he's moved into that sort of charismatic Catholicism, which a lot of, like, J.D. Vance is down that road and everybody else. I think he's religiously abused. I think there's a distinction between people who are religious. Yeah. And then people who have been religiously abused, like children that I grew up around my peers growing up were told, you're born bad, you're bad, you have to be saved. Demons are coming for you. If you make a bad choice, it's the devil.

And I think that is abuse. I think that is child abuse to tell this young, beautiful, open-minded little brain that they're inherently bad. And this is the only route to salvation. And I think that's the through line between like the Peter Thiel to J.D. Vance to a lot of the people in the Maga Bays. I mean, J.D. Vance, clearly. You read his book. Even if you don't believe half of it, he was heard as a child. That's the message.

right, something happened back then. And clearly issues with his mom and clearly with his father and everything. It's a very unfortunate sad, that's the sad part of him, really. And instead of like using that to sort of become a better person, he takes it out on the world, right? And that's so typical. That's such a typical thing. And what's interesting is all of them are at cross purposes with the actual pope. The actual pope thinks they're a bunch of assholes, right?

Right. And so I'm like, if you're Catholic, the Pope's kind of the top wrong, but we don't like this Pope. We want a different. And so they're plotting against an asshole Pope. Right. They're plotting against this. Let me ask you this.

I have had this premise that I think that the American public is very codependent with wealthy people. Very much so. And we attribute characteristics to them that they have not earned. Like one example is Elon Musk. He's a genius. Well, just because he has put together deals, are there? aspects of him that are intelligent? Of course. There's aspects to you that are intelligent.

Very risk-taking. Our producers, etc. He's a good entrepreneur. He's a terrific entrepreneur. But we attribute that these people are by extension. Einstein level IQ. And then they start thinking, well, I'm going to colonize Mars. And Jeff Bezos wants a rocket ship. And then they think they're the experts on everything.

And I think we have, American public has enabled this. We've always had an idolatry. of innovators, haven't we? We sort of right back to Ben Franklin, right? I mean, and Einstein, not Einstein was an amazing person, right, as it turns out. But Edison, kind of an asshole. Henry Ford, fascinating entrepreneur, did amazing things around mechanization and the, and the, how to manufacture things and the car.

Stone Cold anti-Semite, right? Right. Right. So that's the problem, is that we give them all this, power and then they use it for the problem or Charles Lindberg amazing flyer did innovations in aviation stone cold anti-Semite and Nazi adjacent right so like Elon Musk right exactly and so what's interesting about that is that why do we give why do again we have to sort of look at ourselves and I do think in this country there's an aspirational aspect to wealth right yeah definitely if they're rich they must

be smart wise right that Elon is smart there's no question is he's smarter than the nurse I know? I don't think so. Right. It's just a different, she doesn't just make the money. And I think one of the things I often say is to some of them when they're, you know, oh, well, I did this, I did that. I'm like, you're so poor. All you have is money. Yeah. You know, and that's the thing. And I think that's probably a disease of this country more than it is. And so they take advantage of that, that money equates with goodness. And it just never does. It doesn't. It really does. And then we have the opposite mythology around that, rich people or, empty inside, which is also not true, right, by the way, you know. And I think, or poor people

must be stupid. Right. No, some are. Some rich people are stupid. And that's the problem. Okay, I want to ask you, your new show. Yeah. Do you want to live forever? No. No, that's the joke. It's a joke. Obviously not. No. What I was trying to do, and it did equate from all these people. They really do think they're better. Like, they think they're better. And so they're doing all this life extension. And it started with my dad dying when I was five. And it was a very important moment. Anyone who has a parent that dies at a young age really has issues, like very, not just trauma. And I don't dwell in it, but you definitely become highly functional. You're aware of death. It motivates you. And Steve Jobs did a speech between his illnesses that I loved where he talked about

death being a motivator. And I agree with them. It helps you understand that mortality is one of the great, fuels for you to understand that you only have a limited time, so you might as well get cracking, right? And so I like that. What it morphed into with a lot of these tech people, as they started getting wealthier, they'd started body hacking. They started doing all manner of things. And it was so narcissistic. It was so, it wasn't about making the world a better place. It was making their body a better place. And I'm like, you understand the meat sack is going. It's going at some point. You got to get, let me tell you nothing you could do. And Scott Galler was always like, biology's undefeated. It really is. Guess what? You know, ashes to ashes. It's actually quite accurate.

And so I was sort of fascinating. And I don't mean to say that you shouldn't try, you know, there's a lot of this merging your health span and your lifespan. I believe in that. You shouldn't be have a health span of 65 and then a lifespan to 80 and then be sick those 15 years. We should make that smaller. But why not for the rest of us? And I was trying to sort of go into it. And then at the same time, the overlay of all these wellness grifters online, which is created like, like, you must buy the $70,000 red light thing for your skin. And it's not going to just, it's not going to just reduce inflammation. It's going to take you home, make you dinner and walk your dog. What? And so I was, and, you know, it was, it's just your classic grifter. And

back in the 20s, there were, you know, or the traveling salesmen that were, oh, if you take this pill, this elixir, you will have eternal life. And it's such a, it's such a meme that goes throughout our history, way back to Ponce de Leon, Fountain of Youth, we're going to find it, and it's these shortcuts. And instead, what really gives us longevity are two things. One is basic practices that start early on, and they're boring, and they don't cost money. Good eating, good sleep, good exercise. And that changes a little bit over time, but it's pretty much the same as for a long time. Some things we get wrong, some things we get right. You know, how you eat whole foods, get away from processed foods. It's pretty basic.

get good sleep. You don't have to monitor all the time. But then now they have to monitor all the time. It's a lot of information without a lot of wisdom. Right. Right. Like 10,000 steps. What? What do you mean? What is, and what? Well, you did 10,000. What's the benefit? Can you tell me what it does? And so one of the, and then they go, oh, wait a minute, just walking 30 minutes after dinner actually helps better. Well, grandma knew that. Like anyone knew that. And so it was a lot of trying to take your health and your health information and sell it back to you, which I find offensive. It is. I was like, what works, what actually works in these practices?

What do we need to do as a society? Because like American society, we pay $15,000 per capita on health. Europe pays six to seven. We are at the bottom of every wrong. We pay double for the bottom. Why? Why is that? And there's lots of reasons.

Why aren't we getting our bang for the buck? One is universal health care. I'm sorry, I don't know what to tell you. It's not communist. Right. It's capitalist to say we need universal health care because we're paying for the last part of the life when everyone has obesity and hypertension and everything else that is totally preventable over here. And then I looked at the grip and the social media part of it and the insurance and that kind of stuff.

But one of the things that's important is all these incredible, at the same time, incredible medical breakthroughs, GLP ones. Let's really test them. Let's figure out if everyone needs to take it so we can get rid of obesity and then follow it with nutrition and exercise guidelines for everybody. It will save so much money like it's crazy. MRNA vaccines, so politicized. They started off as a vaccine for cancer. Can you imagine having a vaccine for cancer?

Not just the cost, but the pain and the suffering. You know? Yeah. You have to get it by a bus. You're not going to die in this, you know, which that just happens. Accidents happen, that kind of thing. And that's the kind of stuff. So, MRNA vaccines, gene editing is really interesting.

Can we get, I interview about sickle cell anemia with CRISPR. There's a cure of this thing. It just costs $2 million a person. How do we get it down so that we can just eradicate sickle cell? It's just like eradicate it. You know why we don't? Because it's a poorer population. It's an African-American population.

If Elon Musk got sickle cell anemia, it would be cleared yesterday, that kind of stuff. And so that's what I wanted to get into. What's real and what's just nonsense? Like hyperbaric chambers. I bet you've been in one, haven't you? Never. Good, don't. My mother.

Unless you have a wound or deep. My mother has long told me all of that stuff is a racket, darling. If they can bottle up what exercise does for your body and put it off, put it on the shelves, it would fly off. Exercise your whole life. And I have lived by that. And I don't eat super late at night. Your mother sounds fantastic. She is fantastic.

She's 83. she exercises every day. And she probably did before. Always has benefits. Her whole life. And the one thing I came away with, everyone's like, what's the trick? Like everyone's a trick and a shortcut. And I'm like, here's the trick.

Don't be poor. That's one. Right. Or be rich. That's even better. You live even longer because you avail yourself to better water, better food, better health care. It's just inevitable.

Better clothes, better this. And the second one is friends and family. Like the scientific links are so clear. Not just not people you know, people you don't know. connection, community. It used to be church, you know, which got, you got toxic where you live, but sometimes that can be a really one of them. There's community. There's doing things that are different, trying things, meeting people. And it's sort of dovetailed into my absolute worries about chatbots, especially with kids, but not just kids, adults. These are sycophantic,

synthetic relationships of seamlessness. This is bad for our cognitive health. And at the very And I create a creature that is me, a Karatar. And that's really scary. Is that what's going to endure? They're going to create these characters of all of us. And there's plenty of stuff out there. We can create one of you. Is that what you want your great-grandchildren to meet? No. But maybe you do. I kind of would have liked to talk to an avatar version of my dad if it was possible. Yeah. Yes, but this is, with AI, it's beyond that. It's not just repeating things. It's actually having a conversation. And that's kind of of interesting. So you have to sort of talk about that. And then the last thing is robotics, which of course, Elon's big into, you know, folding your clothes, whatever. But there's all sorts of exoskeleton and stuff that's happening. Korea, for example, which is the longest living population in this world right now for a lot of reasons, nutrition, et cetera. But if you could have an exoskeleton, and as you know, when my mom's 92, she can't get up, what if she could get up? Like all the cascading problems of being in a wheelchair would go away.

and if you could move around, if you could get out in the world. There's so many amazing things that all of us should share, and instead it's being used by a small group of people for the benefit of themselves. And that drives me crazy. Okay. There's a guy that you interview, Brian Johnson. Yeah. And he has posted.

He had sex last night. Biohacking. He put this nighttime erection data from my 19-year. year old son and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. This reminds me of little, me too, little Moses Mike Johnson, the speaker of the house who's doing the porn watching with his son with his son. Yeah. This that's the only thing I like about him, but go ahead. What is going on with this?

He's in the show. I talked to Brian. I knew Brian before in the before times. Again, someone who's transformed themselves. It's really interesting to me with a lot of these people because Jeff Bezos did not look like what he looks like now. Right. And I'm all for working out.

Right. Something else has happened in here. When it's women, their body dysmorphia, women, when they're changing, when they're doing phaseless, whatever they happen to be doing, it's body dysmorphia. When men are doing it, what's it called? Body hacking. Yes. Cool. Like, and I was like, okay, what's happening? What's happening with this thing? And I'm, I'm kind of forward at the same time when it starts to get weird. You're like, oh my God, they can't stop, right? They can't stop. The same thing with, you know, Mark and his MMA fighting. I'm kind of like, good for you. You're hanging out with them. It's kind of odd, but okay, good. Whatever. You were shooting Buffalo before. So that's, she did that for a period of time. Actually, kind of interesting. He kind of does embrace some of the try to do different things criteria. But it's odd when they're doing these things.

And Brian is sort of the perfect example of that. And he was, I met him a long time ago when he had his company and then he came to my conference in 2017 and talked about brain health, which was really interesting. He suffered from depression for a decade. He was looking into what you could do around AI and brain health. I thought that was fantastic. Like great exploration. Right.

Put some money to it. Help the rest of us, et cetera, et cetera. And instead he did this. And my argument with him. Listen, everyone should, I'm from San Francisco. You want to marry a goat, go for it. It's all great. Well, I don't really like that.

But I do judge that. Don't marry a goat. Leave the fucking goat alone. It's consensual, and it's never consensual to go. And so it isn't. Let's be clear. And so I'm fine if he wants to do this. But to put it out there like he's helping humanity,

you cannot have an experiment of one that will help you, Jennifer, that will help a person in Sudan. You just can't. So then it has to be what it is, which is narcissism. And then, oh, no, there's supplements, you know, or you have Peter Atia some good advice. Guess what? There's supplements and really grotesque messages to Jeffrey Epstein at the same time. So Brian is sort of an experiment of one. And so what does that do? I don't know. I just think that this is, if we put the science, it sends $2 million a year on that. If we put the science into erections, like, The science they put into erections has been outstanding.

Outstanding. Outstanding. Yes, I know. We put that level of investment and that level of efficiency into cancer, into longevity, into obesity. We could all be a lot better. We can all be, but that's not their interest. Like I keep telling people, everyone's like, what's with these guys?

And they don't care. And they're like, yeah, yeah, but what? I go, they don't care. They don't care. They want to listen to what they're saying. we want to get off this planet because it's fucked. Watching that Artemis thing the other day with those beautiful words from all the, those astronaut dudes were hugging, everything.

Maga must have gone crazy, all these woke astronauts. Well, great. If that's woke, I'm thrilled with that. And by the way, the opposite of woke is asleep. And that was great. And what she was talking about is we can journey, we can do all sorts of amazing things. We'll have things on the moon. but we always come back to the earth.

And when you look back on those beautiful pictures of the earth, the moon was cool, but the earth is beautiful. You're like, why can't, and I say this to him, I'm like, why not give money to stop poverty, climate change, pollution, that is hurting and actually bringing longevity down? Why do this? Why get, I get the idea of, and I actually do believe it, we have to figure out how to be a multi-planet species,

but there's so much they could devote themselves to. that they don't, and because they're so narcissistic. And the contrast this week was the ex-wife of Jeff Bezos, McKenzie Scott, who I love. I met her a long time ago. She's given away $6, $7, $8 million. She can't give it away fast enough. She keeps making more money to give it away.

She gives $70 million to Meals on Wheels. Do you know how many people that's going to help live longer? A lot. My grandmother was on Mills on Wheels. Let me just say, that's effective longevity. helping longevity. That is effective. Healthy meals for the elderly, right? Healthy meals for kids. You just, you sit there and you're like, nothing, this doesn't need to be hacked. It's pretty basic. And you have, you're a trillionaire. You can't spend that money in this lifetime. And I say a lot of them, there's a

famous movie, Moonstruck. Do you ever see it? Oh, yeah. Bruce Willis. And Olympia Cox's husband has an affair on her. And she's very upset about the mother. And I love the Lumpidoccus. And she looks at him finally and she goes, Carmine, no matter what you're going to do, no matter what you do, you're going to die. And then she leaves. And I'm like, that's what I say to no matter what you do, you're going to die. So what are you going to do?

Like, what are you going to actually do to help people with this astonishing wealth that was made in part by investments by the U.S. taxpayer? Yes. The internet. Like, it's not about, like, and the fact that they go into narcissism, drives me crazy. When there's so many strides happening, that's what really drives me crazy. And our government should also be involved, but not this government. No, this government is terrible. This government's breaking down. You see that. Was I right when I told you that? You were right. Six months ago,

I'm like, it's over. You need to understand what's happening here. Yeah. No, it's over. And then recently, we were up against each other on a MAGA Twitter feed. Oh, I texted you about it. Yeah. for the, it was a bracket. Yeah. Liberal hacks. Liberal hacks, yeah. And I text it to you, I beat you, I made it to the second or third round. So I text this to Kara.

Yeah. And I said, I'm up against you. Kara sends me her vote. She said, I voted for you. Good luck. Yeah. And so I advanced a couple of rounds and then Medi Hassan took me out. Oh, of course.

I think it's heading to like Medi and maybe Don Lemon. Oh, that's a tough one. Dawn won. Of course. And Dawn told me. Yeah. He said, Jennifer, my arrest this year, I'm probably going to win that. He said, I'm going to win.

You need to get arrested. I can see you getting arrested. Could you? Yeah. Have you been arrested? Never. Really? I'll have my hot criminal defense husband can bail me out.

Really? Yeah. He's a criminal defense lawyer. I think you could be arrested. I think that might be good for your brand. Carrey, don't send that out. No, because it's good for your brand. Get out there.

Chain yourself to a wall or something. I've been arrested. And then after that, I'm going to start charting my orgasms and tweeting them. Guess what I got arrested for? What? Talking back to the police. Oh, no surprise. No surprise.

Let me ask you a question. I ask every single person. Okay. In this series, I ask. And we string them together. And by the way, Brian Johnson had the best answer. Okay. How do you want to die?

How. I would probably say in my sleep. Okay. You know, I would like to be healthy. All of the things, go to sleep one night, and then that just be the end. I wouldn't want to know what was happening in advance. Right. I would not want any.

pre-warning about it? You wouldn't want to experience it. Death? Yeah. No. Why? There's a very famous quote, death is best because it's last. Yeah, I don't think I want to experience it because I associate death just initially is kind of suffering. But it's not. Some sort of suffering. You don't know. It's the one thing you don't know. That's right. So it's really interesting with people who want to die. Well, a couple different ways. When I ask that question, some people think, tell me about their Multiple ways. Yeah, I do, I do. A lot of people tell me about their funeral.

I didn't ask that, but they tell me that. That's their answer, which is really interesting. Some people tell me, you know, want to sleep. They want to be surrounded by friends and family, lots of different things. A pair of this woman who was a twin said, my twin and I want to be shot out of a can and then shoot each other. I love that one. That was fantastic. I was like, not expecting.

Everyone has a different thing. And what was really interesting to me was the way people thought. about because it's the one thing we don't think about, like we try not to think about. And one of the great interviews I do is with this doctor, I mean, excuse me, this professor from Skidmore, where he looks at death acceptance versus death fear. Death fear leads to partisanship, polarization, hatefulness toward the other, all manner of things. Death acceptance leads to community. We're all in it together. We are part of one being. We are going back to one being. It's not, you don't be religious to understand that. Right. And so death acceptance is really

quite healthy. It's a very, and it's the one thing that everybody does that we prefer not to think about. And it's a really interesting thing. So I had several. One was in the series, I go, well, for my funeral, I'd like to be cremated and thrown in the faces of people I don't like. And they go, P, Tara. Like, oh, what was that? Kara, like kind of thing, which I think would be kind of cool. I still like it. The other was I was going to have a Viking funeral. I had four kids. I wanted them to learn archery. And then I put all my stuff on a boat and they shoot the arrows. And then I go down like a Viking, you know what I mean? Oh, that's kind of badass.

Kind of cool. I'm dead, but it'd be cool. Yeah, it would be a visual that everyone would enjoy. Very dramatic. You could social media beautifully. Totally, right after I tweet my orgasm. Exactly. And then the last one, Skibe Jobs when he died, his sister was this, when he met later

because he was adopted, but the parents went on and had another kid and didn't go back and get him, which was a very, very moment thing for him, you know, a very empty space for him, although he had very good adopted parents. And when he died, his sister turned out to be Mona Simpson, an amazing writer of novels, astonishing writer. And he got very close to her after he met her. And she was there at his deathbed. And he looked up apparently and said, wow, oh, wow,

as he died, which were surrounded by friends and family. And I was thinking, did he stage manager? Because he did that all the time. One more thing. That was his famous thing. One more thing. And then he'd tell you, but he did one more thing and didn't tell us. Like, he's like, wow, oh, wow.

Like, what? And then he don't, like, we don't know what the wow, oh, wow is. So I thought, okay, that was kind of cool and he kind of left us all on the edge. I kind of would like, I know it sounds crazy. I'm surrounded by friends and family. I have a big family. And everyone's there. And I go, oh, you're kidding me.

And then you die. And they'd be like, what? And you'd be like, oh, I cannot. What? and then boom. I like all the drama surrounding your death. I know it's good, right?

It's good stuff. And now my answer is just so boring and horrible. No, it's not. No, it's not just in my sleep. But think about it. But that's what you want. That's great. Everybody should, but think about it.

I'm going to think about it. Because you know what it makes you think about? When you're thinking about death, you're thinking about your life. Right. And if you're wasting time, there's a very famous Shakespeare quote, I waste time and now death time waste me. Right. That's correct.

That's right. So if you only have, there is a number of minutes you have. We never think about that. What if you knew the number of minutes? What would you do differently? Yeah. Well, there are a number of minutes. You just don't know the number.

And so that's what I like to think about. And that's what Steve Jobs really did. He knew time was limited and therefore, and finite, it wasn't infinite. Even no matter what these bros do, you're not living forever. And so maybe you could preserve your brain in some way. Maybe cryos someday will work. Maybe you could, you can't preserve what is, in essence, about a human, no matter what you do, this meat sack we're all carrying around.

And so what are you going to do in the time you have here? And that's, I think, what I was trying to get to, right? Yep. If you knew, what would you do? And that's a dinner party kind of conversation that everyone has. But everyone should have a different journey, and that's fine to fall in your sleep. Yeah. You know?

I like the Viking stuff. Kara, you've got a thing more creatively. I do. I'm going to report back to you. Something with this. Yeah, with my pink cowhide. Maybe be wrapped in your pink cowhide. Exactly. Something like that. Smoking a cigarette.

Sick, smoking a cigarette. Yeah, I haven't smoked in 20 years, but I did quite enjoy it. Did you? Yeah, maybe I'd like to die. Let me tell you one more showing my grandmother when she was day. She was very giving to everybody. Like one of those people was a little too, like everyone. She's so solicitous.

She took care of her man, her husband. She was Italian, very much an Italian wife. And selfless, I would say, for a long time. but toward the end she got real selfish. Like suddenly her mind change, it might have been cognitive, everything else. She didn't lose her mind at all. But she got sort of mean, which I kind of liked.

I was like, yeah, you need to be mean because you've been far too nice your whole life. Yeah. And all she would eat was donuts, chicken wings, and black coffee at the end. Right? That's all she'd eat. And I would go see her and take care of her and everything

because she took such good care of me. And I said, Grandma, you should have some lettuce or broccoli or something. And she goes, am I going to get better? And I said, no. And she goes, okay, I'm not going to have that. And I was like, okay. And at the end of her life, when she died, we took a chicken wing. Because one time I came home, she was on the floor eating chicken wings because she fell and

she just was eating all the chicken. It was great. She was just like, I fell, I'm going to eat the chicken wings because she was getting them out of the refrigerator. So when she died, we wrapped a chicken wing around in foil and put it under her knee because she's in the coffin and we're like, oh, this will be good. She can't reach it. And we buried her with a chicken way. Oh, Kara Swisher, I love this conversation. I love meeting you in person. I know, this is great. Now we're going to be best friends. Yes, even better for-

better watch out. Absolutely. She's your best friend. Okay, so premiering Saturday, April 11th at 9 p.m. Yeah. On CNN, Kara Swisher. Thank you. And we'll have a party with Scott, our sidekicks. Yes, yes. We'll do that. Or are we their sidekicks? Well, we'll figure. out. Yeah. We're the stars. They're the co-stars. Obviously. Hello. Okay. Hello. Thanks, Kara. Thank you.