IHIP News - MAGA is Cannibalizing Themselves in Charlie Kirk Aftermath

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

MAGA is starting to point fingers at each other in the aftermath of the murder of Charlie Kirk.Order our new book, join our Substack, shop our merch, and more by clicking here: https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Immediately after the murder of Charlie Kirk, right-wing influencer podcaster, Ben Shapiro said that he was taking over turning point. And it's important, it's a really weird media world right now because you have Fox. And Fox is just kind of like an appetizer for right-wing media. And then you get to the hard-hitting drugs, the deeper you go into it. I think the left in the mainstream media that's trying to report on facts has done a disservice to the country by not covering what they're talking about on the far right. And so I am going to shed some light on what's going on over there. And let me just say sometimes people on the far right start to figure it out. Here's somebody in the comment section of Ben Shapiro's podcast.

And I say, I just realized your entire business model requires that us normal folk, hate each other. And that is their ethos. Trump ran on that. We're going to get the enemy from within, the radical leftist scum. He continues this talk. He continues this talk. The vice president, Stephen Miller, Fox News is telling all of America right now when the economy is cratering. Inflation is rising. Farmers in Arkansas have nowhere to sell their product to because China is just kind of like, FU America, we're done. And so their whole business model, is hate the opposition. Their whole ethos is own the lips.

And so we're going to dive into some of these right-wing media podcasters. And first is Tucker Carlson. He was on Lil Smokey's podcast yesterday, where he substituted for deceased Charlie Kirk. And Carlson is very anti-Israel. And so here is Tucker Carlson calling out, Benjamin Netton Yahoo on Lil Smokie's podcast. But I don't think it's helpful for people to jump in, particularly foreign heads of state,

to say this is what, you know, he lived for my cause or whatever. That's disgusting, actually. Don't do that. That turns everybody off. You don't help your own cause by doing that. And it's also literally untrue. So this is this really weird intersection that I want to highlight where people on the left have identified that, God, a lot of our politicians are sure.

our politicians are so shackled to AIPAC money and to Israel's interests that they can't speak freely. And that same thing is happening on the right. Here's the problem with the right. I think you always have to look at people who cherry pick human rights. So Tucker Carlson speaks out against Israel and he speaks out about what's happening in Gaza, but also when it comes to like gay people and black people. He doesn't offer them the same level of empathy and support for their right to equality. And so sometimes you get, I think people get roped into these far right people because you see a clip like that. Seems rational because immediately after Charlie Kirk's murder, Benjamin Netanyahu and Trump are like posting this AI stuff. It's an American flag

and an Israel flag. And I thought, well, that's weird. Yeah. That's a really. weird thing to post on the internet immediately after this. And Israel has been so injected into American culture at a fever pitch. And this is in mainstream, on the far right, on the far left. It's everywhere. All right. So then this gets this, this is where this gets kind of crazy. Okay. So Candice Owens, Candice Owens is a far right provocateur. She is vehemently anti-Israel. She's very pro-Palestine. She speaks out about what's happening with the kids and the famine and the genocide in Gaza. She speaks out about it very, very clearly. At the same time, she has this whole conspiracy theory where she's trying to claim that the wife of the French president, Emmanuel Macron, that his wife, Bridget McCrone, is a trans person. And she's just an inordinate amount of time on it, and these videos get millions and millions of views. The problem with these types of provocateurs is I play tennis with a gal from, she's a Palestinian descent,

is she is like, yeah, Candace Owens speaks the truth. And this girl's the Democrat. I said, you have to be very cautious because she speaks really disparagingly about the LGBTQ plus community. And people that are true advocates for human rights leave no one behind. They, you know, the statement, none of us are free until all of us are free or something that I use as a guiding star when I'm trying to defend human rights. I can't leave anybody behind in that. I can't leave a marginalized group behind. So Candice Owens is basically accusing Benjamin Netanyahu and billionaire Bill Ackman, who is a huge Trump thumper. She is accusing, so let me just read this. This is from the right. Candice Owen claims that, quote, threats were made to Charlie Kirk during an intense

intervention with Bill Ackman and the Hamptons weeks ago. Owens claims Kirk was having a change of heart on Israel before his death and says that he was contacted by Benjamin Netanyahu. I know that Charlie was offered a ton of money in this moment, a ton of money. Bill Ackman denies the claims and says they are false. So the thing is that there was this meeting in the Hampton. before Charlie Kirk's murder, where Charlie Kirk had been having voices on his podcast that were anti-Zionist voices. Allegedly Benjamin Netanyahu and Bill Ackman and others wanted to give Charlie Kirk $150 million to tow the Israel line.

Candice Owens is calling this out. Bill Ackman, this billionaire, surprisingly, you guys, look at this response. responds to this. Four pages of this tweet about, yes, I was in the Hamptons with him. Yes, we had dinner. Yes, we did all of this stuff together, but it was, I didn't blackmail him. I didn't, but he admits that the basically the premise of what Candace Owens is saying is true. And so again, I want to bring us back to this weird intersection. So you have these right wing podcasters, some of which or total shills for Israel. And then you have some that are like, wait a minute, this is not America first. Why are we supporting Israel's provocations in genocide in Palestine? And there is a link

there that also goes on the far left. The difference is these right-wing agitators, again, they cherry-pick civil rights. On the left, if you hear Hassan Piker majority report, there's no cherry picking. They go hard in the paint for everybody. But this is a huge thing that's going on right now that Charlie Kirk refused the money from Bill Ackman and Benjamin Netanyahu. And then the allegation here is on the right that Israel murdered him. This is the conspiracy theory. And you know there's always going to be a conspiracy theory when somebody famous like this gets shot. But I just think this is rather interesting. I think it's rather interesting too. You know what struck me about the Bill Ackman response? How long it was? Oh, he's notorious for this. Okay. He's

notorious for, like, he defends Trump all the time on Twitter. And there's a lot of memes about Bill Ackman's tweets because he just goes and goes and goes and goes. And my thing is, if you're having to explain yourself that much, to me, it makes, like, why are you over explaining this? I would be like, I never blackmailed Charlie Kirk. Candace Owens is a nut that thinks Bridget McCrone is a man. Right. Period. And I would end it. Yeah. To me, that seems like he was over explaining him. But if that's his MO, but you cannot underscore how bizarre it is that Benjamin Netanyahu was on Fox News. He was on another right wing media channel. I can't remember the name. Talking about Charlie Kirk within hours of his death. What's fascinating to me is he's the only head of state that had to get on TV. and deny that he had anything to do with it. Right. So I can see how these conspiracy theories get born

because that is a really weird thing to do. And then the time of his tweet and the time of Trump's tweet were coordinated. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist. But I do think that there is some common ground here if we want to save democracy. The reason why I'm pointing this out is there seems

to be both on the right, in the crazy confines of it, and on the left, an acknowledgement that all of our politicians are getting dog-walked by Benjamin Netanyahu, both on the left and on the right, that everybody's getting dog-walked by this guy. And so I'm not a politician, but I would think at some point, if when we see the fascism escalate and we see the discussions about eroding civil liberties, that people that are smarter than me and have more power than me would try to get some of these voices together to save democracy. Because at the end of the day, these right-wing podcasters aren't going to be safe either. If they're speaking out against this, we're not going to be safe. The only First Amendment, and I put that in quotations, listener,

are the people who propagandized for what the regime wants. So I don't know. But Let me move on from that and talk to you all about another far-right provocateur, and his name is Nick Fuentes. And Nick Fuentes is the leader of the Groyper's, and it has been suggested online. There's a lot of suggestions online about all of the reasons for the murder. Some people think it was Israel. I don't think that. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. Some people think that this kid was a gropeer and that Charlie Kirk wasn't far right enough.

And so here is Nick Fuentes, what if you're a groiper, what you're going to be consuming. So Hassan Piker tweets this, what a difference one month makes for this booger-eating neo-Nazi and his opinions on Charlie Kirk. Play the clip. disagreements where we did agree is that he would go to these college campuses and proclaim the name of Jesus Christ and ultimately that is why he was killed the gunmen that killed him they hated him because of his defense of Christian morality Charlie Kirk cannot call himself a Christian anymore sorry you forfeited that I do not want to hear and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more

ask me anything without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated about this. This guy goes around from campus to campus in the most artificial and phony and fake way talking about, oh, God, God made me very blessed that I control $500 million. Oh, I'm so blessed. rich and I'm so blessed to know God's been so. So I just want to point out the first clip for those of you they're listening, not watching was after the death of Charlie Kirk in September. And then the other was August in 2025. Probably the reality of this shooter is, you know, isolation, you know, came from a very religious Mormon upbringing steeped in gun culture. And he probably followed some far-right accounts and definitely came from a far-right family.

I'm in no way connecting that he's a Groyper, although I could see based on the evidence that I have heard, and I don't trust any of the evidence coming out of the FBI, that there was a dinner where the Tyler Robinson, the shooter, said to the family how much he hated Charlie Kirk. And if you listen to Nick Fuentes here, what he was saying a month prior, he hated Charlie Kirk too. Now, hey, you can hate people that you disagree with. That is not a crime. That's completely different from, you know, going and ending somebody's life. But this is where these little neo-Nazis are dangerous because here is now, this is the last couple of days. Here's Nick Fuentes

talking, we're back to the Israel thing, all right? And so you can hear these people in little clips and you think, oh my gosh, okay, that sounds kind of reasonable. And then if you dig deeper into their platform, they're total neo-Nazis. I mean, Nick Fuentes is a complete neo-Nazi to his core. But sometimes assholes and provocateurs say things that get clipped and put out on the mainstream. And here's his positioning now. Leadership, where's the messaging? Where's the information?

Where is the whole of government effort to get to the bottom? of this, keep the American public apprised to deter future attacks and to ensure that this will not happen again. Where is it? And shame on all of the Trump shills for not calling this out. They will praise anything. The Cracker Barrel logo, the Department of War, the Gulf of America, And honestly, I was, and I'm not just trying to politicize this, but I was genuinely disturbed by Trump's reaction to Charlie Kerge's death. Isn't this your friend? They asked him about it the day after, and he said, yeah, yeah, anyway, so we're building the new East Wing. Are you serious?

You got shot. This is your 31-year-old friend who's supporting. So I don't know if he's just now finding out that the leader of the MAGA movement is a malignant narcissist. I mean, I know that sometimes it takes people a long time to understand that he, Trump genuinely doesn't care. He cares more about his ballroom than he does the death of Charlie Kirk. It's inconsequential to him as evidence, by the way he's behaved in him, skipping this. But as you can see, and in that video, he goes on to talk about Israel,

Nick Fuentes. But as you can see, my point with all of this is we always avoid this far right stuff. We always just avoid it and we operate as Democrats, as people on the left. As in an assumption, nobody's going to believe that stuff. That's crazy. But as you can see, you have these moments where these people, it's not crazy from start to finish. You have Candice Owens, who can speak and make a lot of sense. You had Tucker Carlson. You have him, and there's moments where they say things where there's agreement. Now, their main ethos is to own the lips, but within their language, they have to make carve-outs for the struggles of working class people, or they will lose them. And so I just think it's interesting that we have to pay attention

to what's going on on the far right, because it's my belief that the murder of Charlie Kirk was born in far right politics from all of the evidence that I've seen, you know, born in a MAGA family, steeped in gun culture, you know, isolated in white, Utah, which I'm sure is kind of militia-like culture out in the rural area. I know at least it is here in Oklahoma. It's like that. Well, the thing about it is, is when you see these people talking, like you said, it's like, oh, well, that's kind of making sense. But the problem is you have Tucker Carlson, who we've had Trudeau said he was an agent of Putin. We have Candice Owen, who's just fucking crazy over this whole, I mean, why is she even talking about Macron's wife? Why does it matter? We've got this

Ackerman and Israel thing. The problem with a lot of these people is they are beholden to people other than their actual beliefs because Charlie Kirk got called out by Nick Fuentes in the very beginning force not going raw, raw deep into against the U.S. aligning with Israel and the Iran bombs. And that's where their original, you know, the beef goes back years with these two. The beef goes back year, but it was the beef goes back years. There's a competition. But these people are praying on people that are isolated. They have nobody else. And they don't have a community. And they're telling them it's not your fault. You don't have a community. It's other people's fault. And that's the biggest point right there, Pumps, is that in not having something and being alone and isolated, you can see that sometimes these right wing influencers, how they're able to consolidate such a huge audience. Because

There are points that are made that are universal that makes sense to people on the right or the left. What they do is then they say, you can't have these things because, and they pick the most marginalized group, which is at the core of bizarrely, Candice Owens stuff, is she is a black person that wants to uphold white supremacy. At the core of Nick Fuentes, he is a neo-Nazi that wants to uphold white supremacy. Tucker Carlson is a white nationalist. And so at the core, they can say some things and then they activate underneath that the longstanding racism that has been in the country. Now, Candice Owens, you said, why on earth does she care about Bridget McRone? Because one of the core tenants now of the far right wing is anti-trans hate. And so she's feeding them somebody to hate.

She's serving up. You can't have nice things because look at how crazy these trans. people are. And she's sowing more racism and more bigotry and more homophobia. So that's intentional on her part. It is an intentional way to feed up rage to these people. But I just think it's interesting that we keep an eye on this. I think it's been ignored a lot. I think that we have to respond by pointing out how people found communities. Yes, they have in these groups. And these groups are the ones that are right now going to absorb the information from the MAGA leadership, the regime that they, they, they need to be jailed. They shouldn't have a right.

They need to be expelled from polite society because in all of these right-wing echo chambers, these podcasters use that they as well. And the one thing that links all of this ideology, And this is what's just so baffling to me is that we're probably going to lose our country, right? Because they're so desperate to own the lips. It's the craziest, dumbest, and saddest timeline ever. And it's just they will literally cut off their nose despite their faces. Well, and they also are willing to, I mean, at the end of the day, the oligarchy doesn't think the poor, the sick. the working class, have anything to offer that they need to be in charge, and they're continuing

to reinforce that until these people say, not only do we not want democracy, we want the rich people to take care of us. That's exactly right. Okay, that's how we have. We'll be back later with more news.