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Today we have such a special guest, my algorithm boyfriend, the founder of Midas Touch Network,
Ben Micellis.
Thanks Ben for joining us. Good to be here, Pums. How are you? I'm great. boyfriend, the founder of been my say list. Thanks
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his followers. I mean the
the new scan that we will
Epstein hoax and my passe
into this bullshit. And th ever call the Jeffrey Ep my past supporters have b
And then he goes on to sa
weaklings continue forward
work, even if they think
about our incredible unpe
I don't want their support
the world is going on. We
press conference with the Bahrain in the O is going on a press conference with t
of Bahrain in the Oval of
asked all of these questi
he said the exact same th
his supporters are weak a
if anybody believes this
I do not want you as a su
This is a very big deal. I mea
dealing with very serious
dealing with a sex traffi
Jeffrey Epstein was worki
billionaires to sex traff
is a very serious issue a
outraged that a lot of th
been covered up. But this people are rightfully out of the co conspirators ha
But this has also been a
issue pushed to weaponize
their political enemies a
all these other people ar
that's why it needs to be
at the Midas Touch Network
since we really started,
focused on this issue bec
Epstein and trump are und
is sinister and it is dis
I like to describe it as
the Epstein files. If you
that the accumulation of all the Epstein out there
from criminal cases to civil cases, the full pie is 100%. About 10% has been released from cases
already. If you were to run through in a chat GPT or something, who's one of the names of prominent
rich people who are on this the most? Donald Trump's name would come up because Mar-a-Lago was
used as the grounds and I can say this without fear because it was where Epstein would find
girls to sex traffic. It happened at Mar-a-Lago and I can give you a specific example of Virginia
Jou-Fray, 17 year old homeless girl gets a job at Mar-a-Lago at M spa to be the towel girl
there. Delane Maxwell, wh
Epstein two blocks away i
walk over. Delane finds V
towel girl. Hey, I want y
friend or boyfriend. Um a
there and that was Epstein's M
of princes and rich peopl
goes tomorrow, Lago finds Maxwell goes tomorrow, L
from Epstein. Trump's nam
Trump's na
call logs, the black book
Trump's names over there,
flight logs. Trump has sa
guy who likes women on th
Trump's all over the depo
on Trump's plane. They're
partying together all of
the stuff is out there. But this was MAGA's issue that they weaponized and Donald Trump dragged them along.
And usually Donald Trump gives them an out and the out that he gives them is,
oh, you know, he followed the rabbit hole and we're going to do this.
It'll be at a later time. The secrets will all reveal themselves.
And here, the Department
of Justice, their first statement was that it doesn't exist, that there is no list and we're
shutting this down. So they went with that first. And then after Donald Trump said in the post that
you read in others, actually, Bondi is wrong. It does exist,. It was created by Clinton Ob
and all of this stuff we'
about for all of these ye
gigantic democratic hoax
not a real thing. Don't f
stupid if you care. So th
of it in my view and you
it that it's also it's not a conspiracy theory of Donald Trump's links it is it is real. Right you see all these pictures of he
and Epstein together I think in my Mike Wolf's book the excerpt is Jeffrey Epstein talking about
his close relationship with Trump. Here's my question and this is the thing I'm sure our viewers
get tired of me asking this question,
but these are the people that can find a conspiracy
in Pizzagate, Jewish space lasers, all of those things,
but they cannot connect these dots.
I mean, there's the metadata on the video is,
they didn't even clean that up well.
So do you see these people, like I'm to the point now,
I think that these people are kind of an abusive relationship
with Donald Trump.
So they're going to, you know, he's done the gaslighting.
Now he's telling him, you know, hit the road
if you don't like it, that they're gonna come around.
What's your thought on that?
You know, I think the behavior you see
is in cult behavior of cognitive dissonance of
believing that your cult leader is infallible and everything they say is accurate and, you
know, the worst traits of your cult leader actually projected on the enemy and the other.
So it is rooted in a psychological kind of cult behavior, but cults run their course eventually.
It's very hard to get out of a cult,
often because of the embarrassment and the shame
of having to tell other people
that you've been had and played.
So people in the cults dig deeper down the rabbit hole.
The difference here is Trump is now shaming them though
and saying that you are stupid and you are moronic
for believing in the things that I told you.
So to me, it's a little bit potentially,
and I say it's potentially different here
because that shame he's done,
they're fearful of that shame coming from
said, no, no, no, my lead
I actually think that with
the issues and it's inte
issue, but this one's dif
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I mean, this is the issue.
It's not the crypto crime, it's not the jet,
it's not all the corruption, it's this.
And I do believe, I mean, he has beat the strum
for years and years and years
about how all the Democrats are on it.
And now we find out, oh, well, he's on it.
So I guess my question to you is you hear back and forth
like the Laura Loomers of the world,
they're mad at Pam Bondi, like she's the problem.
And we know that she's got thousands
of pages worth of documents.
And so they kind of want to make her the fall guy.
I read back and forth, but in my opinion
it doesn't matter how many attorneys general
you get in there, he doesn't want these files released. forth. But in my opinion, how many attorneys genera
doesn't want these files
think that Pam Bondi is g
ultimately in this? No. A
mean, the magnet influenc
dissonance are trying to
must be Bondi. Okay, she she she did it. They need that. But the
reality is is that it wasn't Pam Bondi. It was Trump to Pam Bondi. And by the way, Pam
Bondi was the attorney general in Florida when the non prosecution agreement with Epstein
was entered into. So she's got a history with the Epstein stuff as well. But Trump in that
oval office disaster with the prime minister of Bahrain Bahrain said, No, no, no, I support he's got a history with t as well. But trump in tha
with the prime minister o
said, no, no, no, I suppo
I told her to do. So he's
well. And I think it is b
you know, like like the c
he's really in a corner h
did these things with Epst the conspiracy. That's if cornered rat or whatever, here because he really di
Epstein. That's not the c
if he didn't do the thing
was no worry about it, he
things like in a moment.
up things this past week
shift engaging in mortag
if anyone else was on the
use to hurt them, he'd be the fi
I said, and this is where
which is why is he in the
of this stuff is out there g
I said from the outset, w
because he's on there. He
the civil cases. Now by c
a dough 174, wouldn't tha
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dough 123456 and I would
there's terabytes of file
you were to appoint me as
back in the day when I wa
tell you where all of the
not, I know where the doc
jury testimony from a 14-year-old girl.
She's now a woman, 14-year-old at the time,
who testified at Ghislaine Maxwell Sex Trafficking
Criminal Trial, who said she was introduced at Mar-a-Lago
to Donald Trump by Epstein and Ghislaine.
So I would ask, let's see her testimony.
Let's see her.
There are a lot of other
in Epstein's office. Dona
says she's not the one fo
I want to see her testimon
fact that these allegations are out
there, Trump could still just say, well,
these are allegations or whatever it is.
OK, but we deserve to delve deeper
and to know the facts that are surrounding this.
And again, to say one of the largest,
think about it like this,
one of the most disgusting crimes
in the history of America and the world, what Epstein did.
I think that's all undisputed.
To say that that's a hoax, that that's made up,
what are you saying to the victims?
That's like when Donald Trump said that when he says
he grabs women by their genitals and you get away with it, that's locker room talk. That's how we all talk.
I mean, he has a pattern and now he's saying the biggest sex trafficking ring was all a hoax.
And think about what this does for Ghislaine Maxwell now Epstein's co-conspirator.
She has a golden ticket because she goes, retrial, the president of the United States says that all of this was a hoax,
that the FBI and who has more access to the FBI and DOJ than the president, the president says
that the FBI and DOJ essentially framed Epstein because it's a hoax and it's not real, so why am
I being tried as a co-conspirator? She's going get her, you know, she could potentially get a retrial ultimately,
you know, maybe the only way she won't get a retrial
is kind of like the way the markets don't collapse anymore
when Donald Trump does stupid trade stuff
because no one takes him at his, you know,
like no serious people take him seriously.
So I could see a district court judge going,
well, the president said that,
but he says a bunch of crazy shit, so whatever. So I could see a district going well, the president
I don't but but it's goin
on trump having no credib
and he has no credibility
about this whole thing is
Daniels. We know a
playmates when the Baron
his E. Jean Carroll, the b
against him. Like why Mag
getting that he's a sexu
understand like the super
wool Christians faith family.
They this was so easy to predict. But Ben, thank you so much for coming on with us.
It's so fun. I hope to have I have you on again.
And we so appreciate you being here.
Always great to be here. Love the show.
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