IHIP News - Trump Majorly F**ked After FBI Leaks The Evidence and MAGA Losing Major Elections

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:04 I am joined today by Jack Coacharilla. He is a progressive political commentator. He's been in a really bad mood because of all of the impending with Donald Trump and all of the moron surrounding him. So he texted me and I said, come on. Let's talk shi. Let's have a cathartic talking session. So viewer and listener join Jack Cocherella and me and just ripping it up. Jack, how are you today?
Starting point is 00:00:29 Do you feel better already? I feel better already knowing that we're just going to talk some shit. It's just all in, it's in the shoulders and it's just like, I feel it might. It's just, I've had enough. I can't even enjoy like curling at the Olympics without cash Patel, busting down the door, humiliating the entire nation, the tiny little goober that he is. I just want, I want a moment of peace. I don't know where we're going to find it, but maybe it's right now. I don't know. I'm hoping. I've been hoping all week that we were going to find it in this video. So. Well, okay. First, I'm going to start with bad news. All right.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Oh, no. The bad news is that in PR, it has. released the following today. Aaron Blake posts the Justice Department has withheld some Epstein files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor in NPR investigation fines. So you brought up Cash Patel and he was there with the hockey team. And one of the hockey team players while he was celebrating with Cash Patel, Cash Patel, who has seen the Epstein files, made a whole podcast and career that he was going to release the Epstein files and hold the pedophiles accountable, is celebrating with all of these people. And then they're
Starting point is 00:01:41 calling and FaceTiming their daughters. And I just, this sort of moral rot that is existing in America right now is really pissing me off. It's, it's disgusting, not just on like the cover up that's happening at the government level, but then you also think about the media level of it all, because it's two parts of the game, right? It is Cash Patel, Pam. Bondi, Todd Blanche, they're hiding files, deleting files, telling us files don't exist. But then they're also sending their surrogates out. And nothing has upset me more than when I see members of the mainstream press say, oh, well, we have to make it clear that any given billionaire or Elon Musk, we have to
Starting point is 00:02:19 stress as much as possible that just because they're in the files doesn't mean they're implicated, doesn't mean they committed crimes. They're billionaires. Do we think they got all that money by following the law? And it's what Cash Patel is doing as well, trying to go out, be a celebrity because he's so insecure. And that's what everyone in this administration really is. They're just like insecure little, and I'm going to steal your word, but they're insecure little titty babies, all of them. It's why they're covered in makeup and, you know, Christy Noem's bad, whatever she's got going on.
Starting point is 00:02:48 But Cash Patel is trying to do the PR work for the Epstein files. Oh, we don't even need to pay attention to it. It's all done because I'm partying with Team USA. It's just despicable to watch. It's just so infuriating. It's really disgusting. I think, you know, when I saw Howard Lutnik email Epstein and say, hey, we're going to swing by in our yacht. And I'm like, okay, if you're rich enough to have a yacht, you fuck you money. You would tell a convicted pedophile, fuck you, I'm not having lunch at your island.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Instead, he's like, hey, I'm swinging by your island and here's my kid's ages that are getting crazy. Crazy. It's nuts. And then Mark Zuckerberg is in the files. Bill, Gates is in the files. Elon Musk is pathetic, the most pathetic whining, pick me. I want to be a cool kid in the files. My thing about Mark Zuckerberg is this, this guy, he goes on, I think it's Joe Rogan, and he says, you know, I've just felt like the last four years that I've been neutered in the worst. And I'm like, okay, dude, if an 82 year old Joe Biden made you feel neutered, there isn't a bottle of Viagra big enough. It's not going to do it. It can get that thing up. It's like all of these guys, I don't know what it is that they decide that like something,
Starting point is 00:04:05 and this is like a fascination of the right as well. It's always like the meme of someone like sitting in like shallow water. It's like one foot deep and like they're just like trying to submerge themselves in it, pretending that like they're being oppressed. Mark Zuckerberg has an infinite amount of money that he spends on getting like the perfect like muck beans to feed his cattle on his singular Hawaiian island. Like you can live the life that you want. There is nobody holding you down.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And if you have to self-actualize through language, which is just like blatantly antisocial and weird, like, if you want to say a bunch of slurs, it is not Joe Biden coming to get people upset about it. To get people upset about it. It is funny that they both in their minds have this thing where Joe Biden was like falling apart, can't walk straight, but also the puppet master controlling our culture. Like, it's just like they have both of these things playing out at once. They are just, they're just whiners.
Starting point is 00:04:59 they're insecure and they'll never get over the fact that they were stuffed in lockers and people didn't like them and that people don't like them. This is ultimately what it comes down to. They're just not popular. Nobody wants to be around these guys unless I guess if you're a pedophile and then they really want to they really want to kick it with them. All right. Speaking of popular, let's talk about the mayor, Zoran Mamdani.
Starting point is 00:05:18 He is the highest ranking politician favorability wise in the United States right now. And he governs and he markets his governing and And there were these memes that came out that was like New York got 16 inches. And it just said 16 inches and it had a picture of Mom Donnie. If you don't think that I have that on my phone ready to pull up right away. I haven't been. So here we go. We got our we have 16 inches.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Yes, I love it. I'm not going to say in what context that has been shared. But we're just going to, we're going to leave it there. We're just going to say we have it. And it's fine. Okay. So he's been like plowing and he's been chubbling. With 16 inches, I would hope so.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Yeah. Someone's got to. My Gatriots will love that. So he's been doing all the stuff and he also said, hey, if you guys want extra money, you can come and you get paid $30 an hour to shovel, right wing had a meltdown about that. He's offering, you know, extra work for people. So on the one hand, like you say, they're pissed off that people aren't working. And then when somebody offers them work, then they have a stage five meltdown. But Andrew Cuomo particularly lost his mind.
Starting point is 00:06:32 yesterday on Twitter because there was a big snowball fight in Washington Square Park. And the cops showed up to break up the snowball fight. And then people start snowing, throwing snowballs at the cops, which all of the people that are totally fine with cops getting beaten with clubs and fire hydrants and flagpoles and taking a shit in the Capitol and then getting pardon for it, they're fine with that. But the snowball stage five meltdown. So Andrew Cuomo tweets the following. And I want us to talk about this.
Starting point is 00:07:04 This is disgraceful. But with a mayor who has a history of calling the police racist, evil, wicked, and corrupt, he set the tone. Words have consequences. We are seeing that in growing disrespect for law enforcement, just as we've seen it in the rise in anti-Semitism, which I don't know why he's throwing that in there. Real leaders understand that. The mayor does not.
Starting point is 00:07:25 How we go from snowballs to anti-Semitism is the exact psychosis that is, going on where you have like corporate dims. Oh my God. That find alliances with hardcore right-wingers. And Andrew Cuomo, I mean, when I read that tweet, I was like, bitter party of one, your table's now available. I mean, he just looks so unhinged. Isn't he in the Hamptons? Can he just like enjoy it? Like, does, do we need to hear from him? And I love that like the mom done, just the historic like an incredible success like every time you look at what's happening in New York. I'm sad that I'm not still living there. But you just seen like right wingers try to try to get upset or pick it apart by being stupid. Like one, it's a snowball fight. Like it's there's snowballs and it's snow and everyone was having
Starting point is 00:08:14 fun. But you brought up the shoveling thing. Did you see the same like radical like brain broken Zionist lady who like stuffed an Israeli flag into Spike Lee's mailbox also go and be like, I'm going to try to I'm going to try to get a job as a shoveler. And she's trying to pretend like it's this process that's broken and it's such it's all oh it's in flames because zoron and oh no and i think the right tries to pick apart government programs or try to undermine them like in the in the public space by just going and being stupid i don't know if you've seen this video but she's like oh so i just come and i shovel and they're like yeah and she's like so i just get to shovel and they're like yeah and they're like but that's not the right shovel and she's like oh and then they told me my shovel
Starting point is 00:08:57 wasn't right and so they gave me a different shovel that seems weird i'm like no it seems like a pretty well put together program to make sure those strengths are safe they just like blowing things that like i they just it's like the nick shirley thing and that kid as a he's got he's got some stuff i'm gonna put it politely but he's he's got some fucking stuff all these people do that is their response to government programs working it's like oh so people just get social security checks yeah yes that that is how it works it's almost like government can work when we want it to i just I can't. I can't do it. Well, I remember during, I think Obama was running against John McCain.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And I remember there was a rally. And, you know, and Obama was talking about Medicare and health care. That was this big thing. And there was a sign that said, keep the government off my Medicare. You know, and so it's just these people believe in nothing. They're soulless. But there's a guy in New York yesterday that the local news was interviewing. And the discipline of this guy on message.
Starting point is 00:09:59 So he's in the bomb cyclone, right? And I don't know if the, I want our viewer to watch how the reporter, she keeps pulling the microphone away from him. But the match that Mom Donnie has ignited to move the base of the Democratic Party more towards helping more of us, working class people, taxing the rich, is really getting a lot of momentum. guys watch this clip. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:10:29 There's still people out in doorways looking for shelter, and I think a lot of people think this is why we shouldn't allow hedge funds to own residential property. And so what we were talking about earlier, too, is a little bit of the nostalgia aspect, right? How this feels kind of like back in the 90s when we were growing up. Yeah, like we were saying, yeah, it was much, much more snow, colder winters, and again, private equity didn't own so much of the housing. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:10:54 I love that guy. Can he primary Chuck Schumer? Oh, my God. I can't. I need to talk to you about the establishment Democrats, Chuckles and Hakeem. I just, I can't take it. I really cannot take it for one more second of one more day.
Starting point is 00:11:13 I can't hardly take it because they are supposed to be in charge of the resistance and their fascist collaborators, both of them. Well, we've been having this kind of, it's been like a, what, two-week conversation since the clip with you and Hassan talking about Gavin Newsom and then the whole conversation about, you know, harm reduction and, you know, sometimes you just got to vote for the person in the center. You know, you just got to show up and vote for Democrats. And it's interesting to have a conversation about harm reduction. At the same time as Jeffries and Schumer are doing like the weighted out bit, they're just like, okay, well, we'll wait it out until the midterms. And then we'll wait it out into the presidential election.
Starting point is 00:11:49 And then when we have Democrats, we can start doing things to maybe kind of protect people a little bit in means test our child tax kind of credit, but not really. And you fucking figure it out from there. We don't really care. Everything. We're going to keep the status quo. It's just weird to have the harm reduction conversation when they're saying, let's be polite during the state of the union, this time next year, maybe we can do something. If you want to be the hard, like if you want to be the, oh, at least we're better, you need to do something. And there's been nothing. And I am going to, I'm going to be on the Hill today doing just like, you know, rapid response with members of Congress who were going to stop by after I do a little live stream of the speech and after. And just, I'm just like, I'm,
Starting point is 00:12:32 I don't really know what to say or ask of anyone who doesn't already, who hasn't already proved that they actually care. Like, am I supposed to be pushing you to do your job? I don't know if you saw the clip of Jared Moskowitz talking about how, you know, he wished he'd told his younger self to go to Wall Street and like, do Coke. It's like, dude, you, you can leave. You don't have to be. there. There are lots of people who want that job. So you don't have to be there. And it feels like so many of them are both so self-entitled, but also being held against their will somehow. It's like, well, you don't have to be there. There are lots of people who will happily fill your seat and do a much better job. And they will be younger and they will be progressive and they
Starting point is 00:13:15 will care and they will be able to communicate. So you do not need to stay. But it does just feel weird to be having this conversation when we're in a moment in which you think that there should be some organization of a response and there's just not I'm glad you brought this whole thing up because you know I come from a state where for 50 years I lived in Oklahoma City and I've seen what Republican supermajorities do yeah for MAGA and it's brutal it's it's brutal the last time we had a Democratic governor in Oklahoma education was 17th and then Since then, we've had a couple of decades of MAGA super majorities, a Republican supermajorities that even predate Trump. And now education is 50th. Abortion ban. It's just, it's awful.
Starting point is 00:14:04 And so I really struggle with this awakening that I've had. I've had a real awakening since Kamala lost that I bought into a lot of the Democratic establishment propaganda. And I was a good foot soldier in that. And I felt like I couldn't criticize Democrats because I think my thought of that was pretty arrogant, thinking that voters couldn't see that for themselves, that I had to be a part of the hoodwink to lie to voters. And my husband would always be like, oh, this person sucks, that person sucks. I fucking hate Joe Biden. He's not, you know, Merrick Garland is not doing a good job. I'd be like, don't criticize. Don't let anyone know.
Starting point is 00:14:45 We can't let people see what there are. I was that person. Then I was that person, okay? And so I've had this real awakening and I'm still processing it. But where I am right now is this. Number one, establishment Democrats are failing us. Democrats that take corporate money has been revealed that Hakeem Jeffries, we know he takes APEC money. He's going to continue to take APEC money.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And he's also taken money from Palatier. Chuck Schumer sucks. I mean, we can go into all of the reasons, but we can just say Chuck Schumer sucks. And that just covers it as an umbrella. And so I really had this betrayal that I felt by the Democratic Party in taking advantage of my vote and my support and also treating the rest of the electorate in such a patronizing way, in which I even participated. And so I'm all about like we have to elect the most progressive candidates, period. Full stop. We have to really, really go hard in the pain for them. Now, when it comes to, if it ends up being some nauseating corporate Democrat that is the 2028 candidate, and everybody's like, don't talk about it two years in advance.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Well, we're fucking podcasters. What else are we going to talk about? You people brought it up. We have to have shit to talk about, all right? And I'm never going to be a third party voter because I have seen how dangerous Republican supermajorities are. But I am 100% in the progressive plank right now to call out establishment Dems to have difficult conversations, to use my voice and my personal evolution to enlighten more people. And I think that's where I'm best at doing that.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And I think my conversation with Asan was helpful. I think that his answer was very eye-opening to me. And because he said, don't you think they know that? And he was like, yeah, they do know that. and they're taking advantage of you. What was your thought on all of that, Jack? Well, I just not to flip the show, the host in me is kind of coming out, but I listened to our conversation with Medi, and it was, I loved that was a great hour.
Starting point is 00:16:51 I wish y'all had done five. Thank you. You brought up the, like, of course, the platform that you now have, the huge platform, well, deservedly so, that you have. And you brought up like, okay, well, we are going to push people who come on. And it's something that I increasingly think about more. is like what questions do we need to ask to push? What don't they want you to ask? How do we shape? How do we use our platform to shape even what they're thinking about? When you're talking about your platform specifically,
Starting point is 00:17:17 though, I know you don't care if Cory Booker never wants to come on and get humiliated again because like, fuck off. We don't really care. But how do you think about not necessarily like a balance, but the success that you can have pushing people when it is that face to face and do they ever get too scared to come on. I know you're never going to stop being you, but like, how do you think we make sure as people in the independent media who these staffs and these members and these electeds and whoever maybe don't think that they have to give us the same time of day? How do we make sure that they're still coming back so we can hold their feet to the fire? Or do you think it's like, fuck it, we don't care if they come on. We're just going to talk about them anyways. And the message is going to get to
Starting point is 00:17:56 them. You either come on and hear it from us or you hear it in your comments. Is that kind of your approach? No, I think we publicly shame them. Okay. Yeah. I think we invite them. to come on and they say no and then we invite them again and then we start having the conversation with our audience you know like hey hakeem my listeners are taxpaying americans a lot of them live in your district they want me to ask you these questions are you that a democrat that believes in transparency do you believe in the first amendment or are you going to play patty cake with centrist and or maga light podcasters and i think we publicly shamed them and i think that one thing trump did is he went in all of these spaces
Starting point is 00:18:35 And Democrats are going to have to do that. Now, here's the difference. When you get like, I spent an hour with Rokana in New York a couple weeks ago. And he was wonderful. Like, I could ask him anything because he has conviction. He's not servicing corporations first. And I think the Democrats that refuse to come on my show or your show or somebody else's, I think we have to unite and kind of publicly shame them and call them.
Starting point is 00:19:05 them out because I think public shaming is effective. And if you want to be a public official, then you need to come to places where your voters are and where your voters are most hurt. And establishment, former establishment Democratic supporters are more and more what my base of my listenership is. So if you want to be a good politician, come listen and come hear what we have to say. And if you're in my thing is like, if you're going to service your corporations first, Get on a podcast and just fucking say it. Just say it. Just say it.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Wear your jacket with all the sponsors and just, just the jersey name. Just be like, I'm about it. Palantir, Alex Carp, the dude with doing all the blow and whatever. Yeah, no, I think that I just like, I think people and I don't, I hope, I don't think you ever could. You're a superstar. Have any like imposter syndrome about any of this? But I think the kind of the folks in the independent media coming up feel like maybe sometimes, I've heard this from friends who if they talk.
Starting point is 00:20:05 about who they can and cannot get. They kind of feel like it's a bit of whining, like, oh, why aren't you coming on? But like, no, they should be coming to these places where real questions are asked. If you're going to do, you know, the 2 p.m. hour at MSNBC, no shade to the friends over at there, I think you're getting more viewership per minute than they are, per hour, for whatever the metric you want to use. So it just makes sense to come to these places. And I think maybe airing out some of those nose is a smart thing to do, to say, oh, this This person said no to coming on when I was going to ask them about this. Because people just need to know who's not willing to talk about this.
Starting point is 00:20:38 And I will say, like I asked this person five times. They wouldn't come on, but I have all these clips of what they've said in other. And they're going to be on my podcast, whether they come and defend themselves themselves, or I find their clips and then I critique their clips. But either way, they are going to be on. I've had it. So it's up to them. Are you going to be a big boy and come sit in the big boy chair?
Starting point is 00:20:59 Are you going to, you know, neuter it Mark Zuckerberg out? Okay. I want to move on to our last point today, which I went to your Twitter feed before you so I could see what you're tweeting. And you were all over the Graham Platner in the name. That's my guy. I like I love him. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:17 So, listener, for those of you that don't know, Graham Platner is this great like former vet, totally progressive working class, calls a space. to spade, you know, talks about the blank check to Israel and how, you know, the genocide in Palestine with moral clarity. Yeah. When he was younger, he got a tattoo and everybody's like, that's a Nazi tattoo and he's like, I had no idea it was. And because it's not like the obvious swastika, had it covered up and owned it.
Starting point is 00:21:50 Like I said, here it is. I got it covered up. And he's continued. And the Democrats have endorsed like an 80-year-old woman. named Janet Mills. Is she the governor right now? She's governor right now, yeah. Okay, she's 80 and she takes APEC money, probably Palantir. I don't know if that's true or not. Somebody can fact check me in the comments, but she's a corporate dim. And Platner, he has not dipped at all. So tell us your take on this race in Maine because I think it's super important because Maine has always elected
Starting point is 00:22:20 moderates and that horrific Susan Collins. Well, we just have, actually, we'll get to the breaking news right now because I do not want to miss quote. was just such an incredible poll. But it shows that in the primary right now, Grand Platner, just in the primary, is up 38 points. But when you go to head to heads in the general, he's beating Susan Collins by 11 points and Janet Mills would be by one. So all the people who want to talk about who's electable and who we can actually get through, oh, and oh, you know, sometimes you got to hold your nose and vote for that. It's Grand Platner. But if you want to win that seat, it's Grand Platner. And you know, you talk about, you talk about Zoron
Starting point is 00:22:57 or someone like AOC or Bernie or Roe, these are people who it's so easy for them to answer questions because you know they're speaking from just a value set that is incredibly obvious. Bernie, it's always coming back to the billionaires, right? Zorn is always going to be talking about affordability, not because that's like the messaging points that he has, but that's just what he cares about and wants to talk about. Something that I think Graham does very well is a very normal guy, which we need more in the Democratic Party, not just normal, like is a 23-year-old dude, like, we need more normal guys, is that he brings the conversation a lot back to freedom and not freedom in the abstract way that we've described
Starting point is 00:23:37 that when it's like, we got to get out in democracy. And people are like, corporations by our elections and my vote doesn't really matter. What the fuck do you mean democracy? But he talks about real freedoms, the freedoms to have time to go out and create and build community and to love and to not feel the fear of you will be bankrupted by a medical bill or you can't afford to eat or live. And I think that's real tangible freedom that is not just like, oh, at the DNC, we had more American flags, so we are patriots. But no, we are after giving you the life that you deserve in the wealthiest country in the world. And I think talking about freedom that way and a life that you can envision that is aspirational is something that he clearly recognizes, at least because of this. the service that he gave to this country, he is able to enjoy and deserves. But Graham believes,
Starting point is 00:24:27 as anyone should in the wealthiest country in the world who loves it, that everyone should enjoy those freedoms. So I think he speaks about that. And I think that specifically, and I don't want to speak for his campaign in its entirety because I think everyone should go check out his clips. He's fantastic. He's a great guy. It's very, very nice dude. But I think that is when you're talking about Graham Platner, why he resonates is because he is both. both real, but cares deeply about the real parts of your life. So that's my little Graham Platner stump speech for why he's fantastic. I'm sure your viewers and listeners like him as well.
Starting point is 00:25:01 But I just think that's what's so smart about his campaign. Then in the way Zoran is always going back to affordability. Bernie's talking about the oligarchs. Graham is real and really cares about the freedoms that you should have. I really like him. We had him on a while back and then before the tattoo brew, ha ha. And then I kind of followed that closely and I thought he really handled that well. And I told my listeners, like, this is going to sound crazy, but like my husband has, I don't know, 20 tattoos.
Starting point is 00:25:27 He got all of them after he got sober. So all of them he got like age 33 and up. And then he'd have a relapse and get sober again and then he'd get more tattoos. And he has like these Chinese symbols and all this shit. And he has a fucking tramp stamp in like Sanskrit or something. And people ask him all the time. What does that mean? He goes, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:48 I was at the time. I don't know. I was at the tattoo polar book. And he goes. I don't know, I like to think that this means diversity in Chinese, but I genuinely don't remember because I was literally five-based to work. And so I kind of get that, but I think he handled that very well. Let me ask you this. I think there's one of my husband's political philosophies is very simple.
Starting point is 00:26:10 And if you watch the Medi show, you know this. Like my husband, he's a criminal defense attorney. He's like, I don't really know what the fuck's going on in Israel and Palestine. I just know everybody that I hate supports Israel. And I think that we can take something simple like that, but like, who is Chuck Schumer endorsing? Yes. So Chuck Schumer, is he endorsed Janet Mills? Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:33 So I think that sometimes we can just simplify things because there's so many things like you felt so overwhelmed right now, Jack, and you're like, oh my God, I'm so stressed about all this nagged shit. We need to simplify things. No, I totally agree. If Chuck Schumer endorses somebody and for our listeners feel overwhelmed too, we're not we're not going to vote for them. Yeah, and I think that's what's going to pan out in all of the primaries. I think Peggy Flanagan is running away. And I went so, talk about someone who I was just berating on Twitter. Twitter, I have people who for some reason have my notifications on, which is just like such a mistake.
Starting point is 00:27:07 I'm like, you don't need, I tweet for fun. I tweet for hate. I tweet for the love of the game, turn those off. But Angie Craig is one of the worst Democrats out there. I don't know if you know that Angie Craig, she was speaking at a crypto conference last year and introduced Eric Trump. And she voted for the Lincoln Riley Act. She is just like such a corporate dam.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Who's running against her? Peggy Flanagan, who's the lieutenant governor progressive, endorsed by Tina Smith, endorsed by Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, just incredible. But Angie Craig, like after voting for the Lake and Riley Act was like carrying around this little poster board that was like impeach Christy know him. There's never been a better representation of the do nothing corporate dam than voting to allow what the fifth largest standing.
Starting point is 00:27:50 military in the world fucking ice is and then pretending that your cardboard sign for your campaign's going to do shit but she's handpicked by chuck schumer she's going to fucking lose haley stevens hopefully as well in michigan it's looking like it one of the least charismatic people in the world we have a lot to feel good about on the senate side of i don't know that makes me feel a little better today i love that jack thank you so much for your time i want to have you back on again when you're feeling down call me and then we will have a therapeutic bitch session and try to solve this country's problems. We talked some shit and we got to talk about Zoron's Inches. So it's a little good and a little bad. Bye, Jack. Thank you.

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