Imaginary Worlds - Economics in The Alien Franchise Isn't Science Fiction
Episode Date: August 12, 2026Even if you’ve never seen an Alien film, you probably know about the monster in the franchise. The Xenomorph has an elongated head, a second set of jaws that protrude from its mouth and a body that�...��s like cross between a giant insect and a skeletal dinosaur. But the alien creature may not be the real villain of the franchise. This week’s episode comes from the NPR podcast Planet Money. They explore whether the true monster is the sinister corporation pulling the strings in the background. Even more specifically, the real villain might be the economic system that allowed it to have so much unchecked power. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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You're listening to Imaginary Worlds. I'm Eric Malinsky.
We are off this week. We'll be back with a new episode on August 26th. In the meantime,
I want to play something that I know you'll enjoy. The NPR show Planet Money did an episode
about the alien franchise, but they did not focus on the monster, the xenomorph. They looked at
the evil corporation that was first introduced in the 1979 film and continues to be a present
in the franchise, all the way up to the recent TV series, Alien Earth.
Their episode is so in line with the kind of work that I do.
Several friends texted it to me saying,
Have you heard this?
After I listened, I thought maybe the tagline for the original poster of Alien
should have been, in space, no one can hear you scream about late-stage capitalism.
So without further ado, here are the co-hosts of Planet Money,
Kenny Malone and Greg Rizolsky.
You are about to hear some deeply troubling allegations, allegations about a company that we should say does not provide financial support for NPR.
Here's our episode.
This is Planet Money from NPR.
We begin today with, I think, truly, one of the most chilling earnings calls I have ever heard.
Really disturbing stuff.
And people should know earnings calls generally, they're very welcome to Q3.
Yeah, profitability.
costs, stuff like that.
But in this call, they throw to the CEO and it is very different here.
You want to hear it?
Bringing us to the earnings report on our deep space initiatives.
Every corporation has a space fleet.
Space fleet, of course.
Every corporation has a space fleet.
You know, space fleet is a weird way to put the pivot to space, I suppose.
But like, you know, I kind of follow.
But because we were there first, our profits have grown exponentially in less than a decade.
I'm not a CEO coach, but like...
I'd sound less cartoonishly evil, maybe.
Yeah, it sounds like a super villain.
This year, the first of our research vessels are scheduled to return.
And with it, they'll bring back something that will keep our profits well ahead of everyone.
Sounds like maybe a good investment.
I'm not sure.
Are you by on the Wayland-Utani company, Greg?
I think so.
Wayland-Utani is a fictional company from the film franchise Alien.
Alien.
And Greg, in case people.
People don't know, the thing they have found in outer space that will bring great profitability.
Could it be a killer alien?
Yes, double-mouthed, acid-blooded xenomorph.
You want to make a xenomorph sound?
Can you do xenomorph?
Excellent.
Excellent.
All right.
So we've been talking about a fake company this whole time.
The Wayland-Utani Corporation runs through the alien franchise.
And it is certainly a caricature of a futuristic conglomerate.
But what Greg and I will propose today is that it is in fact the perfect vehicle to look at how we are living our lives today as workers and laborers in the modern economy.
Dun dun dun.
Hello and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Kenny Malone.
And I'm Greg Rizalski.
The movie Alien is set 96 years in a future where a single gargantuan company controls basically everything and employs seemingly everyone.
This proves to be bad for workers, because they have no other options, of course,
but then even worse for workers when they are forced to onboard their company's newest team member slash profit center,
which then, you know, basically eats all of them except for one.
It's pretty scary sci-fi stuff, but you know what's scarier, Kenny?
What's that, Greg Rzalski?
More and more research suggests our sci-n-fi world has a lot more in common with
the labor dynamics of Alien, then you might think.
It's true.
And look, we have Planet Money, see economics in everything.
But on this one, with Alien, we are not alone.
Today on the show, you don't need a textbook to learn labor economics.
You just need some clips from Alien and one of our leading labor economists to watch them with us.
Okay.
So today, we are going to spoil some parts of the 47-year-old movie Alien.
If you haven't seen it, come on, people.
We will also be spoiling some parts of the brand new book, The Wage Standard, subtitle,
What's Wrong in the Labor Market and How to Fix It by economist Aaron DuBay?
And if you haven't read that, also, come on, what's wrong with you, people?
Spoilers all around.
So we emailed Aaron to say, you know what?
We love your book.
But you know what would be cool?
We mostly interviewed about the movie Alien.
It's true.
And then Aaron wrote back to us and said basically, heck yeah.
Pretty sure I watched The Alien for the first time when I was in middle school.
That's very young.
Yeah, it was very edgy.
It's R-rated, Aaron.
Aaron is one of the most prominent labor economists working right now.
He's at UMass Amherst, and he's probably best known for his research on the minimum wage.
Aaron's been contributing to this growing body of work that shows higher minimum wages do not kill jobs the way economists used to think.
But you could read all about that in Aaron's book.
Yeah, yeah.
Back to Alien.
Let's get back to Alien.
Yes.
Do you remember feeling like they were worker rights issues at play?
That was like the first thing I thought of.
I was like, oh my gosh, told my friends.
No, I think I was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm watching this.
Yeah.
If it just so happened that this is why you got into labor economics, that would have been a wonderful answer.
But that's okay.
You know, we can go with that because who knows?
Yeah.
Who knows?
Because there is genuinely a surprising amount of labor economics baked into the very core of this movie.
So if you haven't seen it, allows to briefly explain the setup, the basic setup of the film alien.
20th Century Fox presents.
Exterior shot.
Spaceship from a company called the Wayland-Utani Corporation.
This is a space truck, essentially.
It's hauling a bunch of ore from a mining planet back to Earth.
But interior shot.
Computer screen.
The space truck's computer
picks up a mysterious signal,
then wakes the entire crew from cryosly.
Now, this crew, they're rough,
their tumble, they're blue-collar space truckers.
They wear tattered clothes and headbands.
They work for Whalenuton, and clearly would rather still be
a cryoslie.
Right.
So, yeah, that's the basic setup.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
What about that setup gets your labor economist senses tingling?
So, first of all, these are not great jobs.
These are tough jobs.
Yeah.
There's some serious negative amenities, as we say.
Is that the term?
That's the term.
Yeah, that's the term.
When you watch Alien with Aaron Dubay, it's like the nerdiest DVD commentary ever.
He spots all of these hugely important real-world ideas from labor economics.
And so we are going to watch Alien with Aaron DuBay and learn about our world from his commentary.
So negative amenities, those are things that make a job less desirable.
An emergency room job, it may require overnight shifts.
A construction job, it may come with the risk of injury.
A space trucker job on a beat-up old mining ship?
Yeah, Aaron immediately sees some likely negative amenities here.
There's a few, but risk of death is probably like a...
pretty big one. Yes. I think that's fair to say. Could be fun though, if life-threatening,
but definitely not good. I mean, they have to go into cryogenic sleep for many years. So,
you know, they're away from home for a long time. So negative, away from home for a long time,
positive, get to sleep on the job for a lot of the job. Yeah. A job with lots of negative amenities
is what Aaron calls a bad job. Like, that's a real term. And being a space trucker for the company
Whalen and Jutani? Bad job.
High risk. When you have a job where there's
a big risk, you get something
that's called compensating differential.
You get paid more
because to compensate for the risk.
Now, that's if the labor market's
working pretty well. Yeah.
Aaron has some questions about how well the
labor market is functioning in the year
21, 22.
You don't have to watch for very
long to see the problems. Basically,
the first scene of the movie
Alien is all about work.
and pay and contracts, and we queue that scene up to watch with Aaron.
All right, are everyone ready?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Here we go.
Okay, so in this scene, the crew, they gather around this table, their captain tells them about this mysterious transmission.
And they've been woken up because their company, Wayland Utani, it needs them to go investigate that transmission.
A transmission?
Out here?
Yeah.
I so is.
I don't know.
Human.
I don't know.
I hate to bring this on.
But this is a commercial ship, not a rescue ship.
Right.
And it's not my contract to do this kind of duty.
No.
If you want to give me some money to do.
Yeah, let me pause there.
Not in the contract.
What's your reaction to that line?
Well, you know, it's not in the contract.
So if they are told they have to do something, it's not their contract,
they should just quit and get another job.
You're being facetious because they're on a spaceship.
Oh, no.
How is that going to work?
Yes.
Here is a giant clue that the true monster of alien may be high.
hiding in the labor dynamics, Greg, yes?
Yeah, I mean, okay, so our crew, they live on a company ship, they sleep in a company cryosleep
chamber, they eat company cornbread, apparently.
Functionally, our space truckers live in a company town.
Now, what makes Alien a smarter econ movie than it needs to be is that it goes further than
just saying like, oh, the crew's trapped, therefore they must do what their company says.
Instead, this scene keeps going, and the crew is like,
like, well, if we do this little side mission, we better get overtime or something.
Can we just talk about the bonus.
Sorry, can I say something?
Let's talk about the bonus.
There is a clause in the contract.
Okay, so that person who is, well, actually, there's a clause in the contract.
He's an android.
He represents the company, Wayland-Utani.
He's a management chill.
Big NARC energy.
There is a clause in the contract which specifically states any systematized transmission
indicating a possible intelligent origin must be investigated.
I will hear it.
Baku, will you just listen to the man?
On penalty of total forfeiture of shares.
That sounds bad.
You got that?
No money, he said.
No money.
All right, we're going in.
Yeah.
We're going in.
And that shut him up.
They're kind of forced into doing this mission because, surprise,
the company, Waylon Utani has hidden a clause in everyone's contract.
So just walk us through what a labor economist thinks, watching that scene.
Yeah, so if the labor market.
market's really competitive, the ability for companies to write contracts where there's sort of
hidden risks, right, like hidden risk, alien calls, do you have to go pick up? Those would get
priced out properly. And so you would get a bonus of some sort or get a higher pay.
But if the market's not particularly competitive, then that could easily be that there's shrouded,
we call it shrouded attributes. People have the unpleasant findings.
out, actually your contract has things that you didn't fully factor in and you're kind of stuck
with it.
I mean, they don't know they're about to go be infected by a man-eating super killer.
Yeah, I think the technical term is you're kind of screwed.
Now, I just want to say, how wonderful it is that the inciting incident of alien is a shrouded attribute.
It's this little clause about a wildly risky job responsibility that Whalen Dutani did not need to price into its worker pay because they could just bury it in the contract.
And the fact that Wayland Yutani could get away with this, that is the second big clue that are poor space truckers.
They are not just dealing with a bad labor market.
No, no, no.
They're dealing with an infamous economic concept.
A concept that could keep some labor economists up at night.
a concept that we are actively avoiding saying.
Because, yeah, we wanted Aaron to say it.
Yeah, he says it well.
Would you say that the thing we have not yet said
is scarier or less scary than the xenomorph, the alien?
You know, in eighth grade, not so much, but today,
yeah, you know, like xenomorphs are not great, but monopsony.
Ah, manopsony!
Oh, menopsyny!
It's coming to get me!
Now...
It bursted out of Kenny's chest.
Help us!
are bursting with enthusiasm to talk about monopsony, yes? Because Planet Money stands will know that we
love talking monopsony when we can. So, of course, monopoly is where there's one big company
selling in a market. Monopsony is when there is one company buying in a market. And, you know,
the version we probably hear most often is about one company buying labor, hiring people. So
only one company that people can go work for. And it certainly seems as if the corporate
Wayland-Utuny is operating with the power of a monopsony in the dystopian sci-fi future of alien.
Now, obviously, this is a crazy, fantastical world, far off in space with aliens and xenomorphs and whatever.
But these sort of all-powerful monopsonies have existed in the real world, like mining towns that were owned and run by one company.
And when there's only one employer, workers are, how did Aaron put it again, kind of screwed.
Yes, one company real bad for workers.
Of course in a company town or, you know, like there's going to be monopsony power.
Well, a new tummy.
But this is really a much more endemic feature of the labor market than people have really understood.
As in monopsony power is sneakily hiding all over our current labor market, even when there is more than one company to go work for.
And this, this actually is the part that should land, like the economic version of a surprise alien
bursting out of your colleague's chest, Greg.
You want to go with that again?
Wait, am I the alien or the person?
I guess I was going.
The monopsony was hiding within us all along.
That's the takeaway here, yes.
For decades, economists assumed that labor markets were mostly competitive and that monopsonies,
they could be treated like unicorns, you know, only found in rare circumstances.
But Aaron and a growing number of economists, they're finding monopsonies, it's more kind of like a regular horse.
Monopsity power, it's just like much more pervasive than previously thought.
Yes, sure.
Pervasive, but the key here is that monopsony power that Aaron and other researchers are finding, it's not obvious.
Like in old mining towns or future space mining companies, it's kind of with us now sneakily.
So Aaron walks us through how to spot what today's monopsony power,
looks like for us. I think that the key thing is to start with the, like, what is menopsy
power? Monopsony power means that workers can't easily switch jobs and employers have some degree
of choice of what kind of wages and what kind of working conditions to provide. Now, why do they
have this choice? Why don't you have basically, I pay a little bit lower than the market wage?
Everyone bolts and is gone to the next best alternative. Why does that not happen? It's not because
Because we're stuck on spaceships.
That's not the reason.
That's not the reason.
That's like the fifth reason.
But first, because there may be concentrated markets.
Concentrated markets.
So maybe we don't yet have one giant Wayland-Utani Corporation running the world.
But when you look at specific industries within specific geographies, some of those have been
consolidating, offering fewer and fewer employers for people to work for.
As industries consolidate, employers tend to be able to reduce.
pay for workers. And one example Aaron points to in his book, somebody who is working in the
skiing industry. Ski industry, you know, like 25 years ago, there was a lot of small family
owned hills. But over the last 25, 30 years, it's become very consolidated. Like, for example,
in Vermont, you could maybe go to the next one over. And, hey, that's also owned by the same
employer, but, you know, that right there is sort of a classic source of monopsony power,
that there may be less employers around than you may think for the kinds of work that you're doing.
This seems to be true more broadly. Aaron points to one study that found typical American workers
only have about three equal-sized employers within driving distance for their particular employment
field. But even when you move to big cities where people have way more job options,
Aaron's work has found that people simply do not quit a job for better paying jobs in the way that classic labor market theories would predict.
Yeah, maybe they kind of like their commute or they're like, oh, I love my coworkers.
I'll miss them if I leave or, you know, whatever.
And then there's the fact that changing jobs is just a huge pain.
What we call in economics search frictions, that employees actually have difficulty finding out about applying for, quitting.
and taking a new job.
These are costly.
It can be slow.
It can be exhausting.
And it can take a lot of effort,
especially when you already have another job.
And it's not just that changing jobs is annoying,
which it is.
Aaron says companies intentionally also make it harder
for workers to jump ship and change jobs.
I talk about this monopsony by artifice.
Here's an example.
Non-compete agreements.
So a third or more of American workers end up citing these.
A third.
Yeah.
Wow.
And by the way, sometimes it's argued that it's because to protect trade secrets.
But then like Jimmy John Sandwich Chain, summer camp in Massachusetts, the examples go on,
but it's basically a way to reduce competition for workers.
What you're saying about the ways in which monopsony shows up, like, surely we're not all stuck on a spaceship
with a single employer controlling our entire life.
And what your research has shown is like, aren't we there?
in just littler ways.
That's right.
So jobs are sticky.
Quitting is harder.
And as a result,
our working conditions and job quality
are only partially determined
by a well-functioning market force.
So yes,
there's aspects of exactly
what doesn't work
in a very dramatic way
in alien does afflict us
in smaller but important ways.
And the good news is
we have ways of
fixing
or improving those more so than in the movie perhaps.
Yeah, Aaron says in the real world, we have ways to push back against monopsony power.
Things like minimum wage laws, antitrust enforcement, and labor unions that fight for worker interests.
And this is basically what Aaron's book is about.
He says the erosion of those counter forces is a big reason we've seen a stagnation of worker pay and a rise in inequality.
That's in the real world, of course.
But Aaron says he supposes those things would have helped in the movie Alien too.
Yeah, like, imagine if in the movie the employees of Wayland Utani were like in a really strong labor union or something,
like one that we see in a lot of other countries where they hammer out worker protections for a whole sector of the economy.
So if we had, for example, the sectoral space fuckers association.
Yeah.
The S-S-T-A.
The SSTA.
The SSTA.
And so when they start having these debates about what they should do,
there's a big volume of SSTA, you know, contract that lays out our collective bargaining.
And in fact, if they found out something they didn't really like, they would say,
you know what?
Let me call, let me talk to my shop steward.
That scene would probably play out a little different, wouldn't it?
It would sort of be a really boring scene.
And then they would say, okay, fine, we're not going to do it.
And then they're just going to go back to Earth.
The end.
I don't know that that would be a boring scene.
seen, Greg? Sounds riveting to me, honestly. Agree. And so, Planet Money is proud to present
the world premiere of Alien 1979, the labor economists cut. And we hear from someone with
firsthand knowledge of what it takes to make an actual alien movie and how to nail the perfect
balance of labor economics and killer aliens. All of that after the break. The labor economist,
Aaron DuBay's cut of Alien.
in 1979.
It starts the same way.
Spaceship.
Computer.
Space truckers wake up.
Hey.
Yeah.
Oh, he's dead.
But we asked Aaron DuBay to tweak the labor conditions for a better worker outcome in Alien.
Aaron imagined instead a future where the space truckers were part of some sectoral bargaining
agreement, where there was a strong union and here he thinks is how the opening of alien
would have played out instead.
Some of you may have figured out we're not home yet.
Intercepted a transmission of unknown origin.
A transmission? Out here?
Yeah. You got us up to check it out.
This is a commercial chef, not a rescue ship.
Right.
And it's not my contract to do this kind of dude.
Sorry, can I say something?
There is a clause in the contract which specifically states
any systematized transmission indicating a possible intelligent origin must be...
No, hold on. I think somebody's trying to say something in the back.
Yeah, remember, our...
Breedance procedure.
So I'm going to file that.
And while it's being investigated, we actually can't go.
That's part of the rule.
So the end.
Back to the cryosleep.
Back to cryosleep we go.
It's a YouTube short.
Okay, okay.
Yes.
Ultimately, you cannot have alien without all these labor dynamics.
The negative amenities, shrouded attributes, the monopsony.
And I would contend that all of that rich texture,
is what makes this movie special
and a huge part of what makes alien more
than just another good horror movie.
Yeah, there are now a bunch of alien movies
and the best of those,
they strike this delicate balance
of space terror and smart economic themes.
And we were unbelievably excited
to get to talk to someone
who has actually had to walk that econ horror tightrope.
I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit.
Do you remember, off the top of your head,
the first words that are spoken in your film Alien Romulus.
First word spoken.
What is, let me remember.
This is Fedé Alvarez.
He co-wrote and directed the newest film in the Alien franchise.
I can give you the answer if you wanted.
Attention all workers.
Attention all workers.
Yeah, yeah.
Attention all workers.
Attention all workers.
Day shift starting in T-minus 15 minutes.
We had Planet Money.
We bring our economics lens to everything.
But surely we are not hallucinating that you also have chosen to put labor dynamics to some degree front and center here, yes?
Well, I think when you're going to make an alien movie, the first thing you do is trying to study what make the best iterations of this franchise.
And I think, you know, if you look at the first one, you look given a second one and the third one.
They're always talking about that.
I mean, in a way, how powerless the individual can be, you know, in front of, you know, in front of,
the machine.
This is kind of a big deal for us.
Fere Alvarez, he's a very accomplished horror thriller director.
He made his first films in Uruguay.
He co-ro and directed a huge hit in the United States called Don't Breathe.
He also directed a reboot of the Evil Dead, which was freaking awesome and supposedly
set a record for gallons of fake blood used in a movie.
Indeed.
Rain's fake blood.
Lots of fake blood.
And Greg and I, big Fetééé Alvarez fans.
And clearly, Feday knows that great alien movies need smart ideas about labor and work.
He's not a labor economist, though.
So we wanted to talk to Feday about how he went about finding and building those smart ideas into his movie.
And Feddy told us he admittedly did not notice the econ in Alien at first.
But later, when he was around age 20, he started to understand that this movie, it's saying something much bigger.
You know, the movie stars, and as soon as they're at the table, they talk about the bonus situation.
And it's like right away.
It's like first thing, we're in a contract.
It's wild.
It's the first thing they do.
And talk about the rights as workers.
And but also, they're not just talking about that.
They talk about inequality as well.
They're talking about why am I getting, you know, less money than you guys?
And, you know, and the captain goes like, you know, you're going to get what you deserve.
And obviously, he's talking about when the monster comes, we all.
going to be the same. We're all going to be equal. Actually, the captain stopped
when it was one of the first ones today. And that shows how death is that big an equalizer.
So I'm, I am curious. We're going to get a little economics here with your permission. Yes?
Of course. Okay, great. Have you ever heard the term monopsony? Is this come across your radar?
Oh, no. Okay. Because you, a thousand percent nail this perfectly in your movie.
Okay, let us set this up for you if you haven't seen FedA's movie, Alien Romulus.
And his alien, we actually start on a mining and farming planet, a colony entirely controlled
by the corporation, Wayland-Utani.
And it is, you know, bad.
Workers are living some version of indentured servitude in a company town.
And just like in the original alien, one of FedA's first scenes is simple yet stuffed with all
kinds of huge labor economics.
Right.
Our protagonist, a young woman named Rain, she goes.
into Wayland Utani's Office of Colony Affairs and she tries to submit some paperwork to get
off this planet. You know, basically she's trying to quit her job.
Full name and occupation, please.
Marie Reigns Cairde, ma'am.
I met my quota and I should be free to go now.
I'm sorry, but you're not eligible for contract release yet.
Wait. What?
No, no, I reached the required hours.
Unfortunately, quotas have been raised to 24,000 hours, so you'll be released from contract in another 5 to 6 years.
Thank you and remember the company is really grateful for your ongoing service.
This is a depiction of monopsony that could be taught in economics classes.
The way that remote towns historically created this kind of trapped labor force,
the way company towns infamously had so much control that workers had to use fake company money
to buy things from their company stores using company script.
We asked Feday if he and his co-writer, Rodos Sayeges, had researched like case
studies to get this right. And he was like, yeah, but also it's a bit more intuitive than that.
And it's also about early on in the movie setting up what he thinks is the ultimate theme of a good
alien movie, general powerlessness. And in the case of alien is always the whalingutani,
represents the government. It can be literally that in the stories, but it's also, you know,
how you feel powerless versus something that cannot be destroyed that seems to you, cannot
negotiate with that seems that it's relentless. So I think that's why I think the best ones they
always start there, they get the audience, they draw them in from a perspective of, you know,
everybody knows how it feels to be in that place and be, feel it powerless. I've read a few
quotes from you about this as an Oroguayan. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, you said things like growing up
under a dictatorship and a developing country that there is a feeling that may seem specific,
but is universal about sort of a lack of options for you as a young person.
Yeah.
I mean, ironically, at the same time, yes, Uruguay, by being born a dictatorship,
like my parents had a, just a mentality in a way of a survival instinct that came from being
born in that environment where you didn't have a lot of choices.
And if you grew a beard, you will get arrested.
But at the same time, that's been said, there's also the other side of it is when I moved
to the United States, when I make evil dead in my first.
film and I moved here. I was like, wait a second, you guys don't have like vacation a salary.
Like you don't have like guarantee 30 days of vacation every year. And people were like,
what are you talking about? You have to work. And I was like, what is this dystopian?
So, you know, Uruguay, we have health care, it's free health care. And, you know,
particularly on the employer dynamics, if you get hired by a company and and they want to fire you,
it's okay, they can fire you, but they all have to pay you. There's all this severance thing.
They have to pay you at least a month of salary for each year that you work at the company.
So the more you work, the hardest is to fire.
And I took for granted all my life living there.
And then when I came here and I were people laughing at the oldest nonsense.
So for me, that also made me understand why an alien, it was important if I was going to make one to really bring some of the subjects, you know, to forefront.
A rumor on the street is that you and Roto have already written the sequel to Alien Romulus.
Is that correct?
We did.
I didn't want to direct another one.
No, no questions about whether you're going to direct.
I don't need spoilers.
You don't need to spoil any plot.
But can you exclusively for our Planet Money audience tell us, will we get more labor economics?
Definitely.
That's what they're all about.
Yeah, that's what they're all about.
It's not a good alien movie if it doesn't deal with that.
That's true.
Can we expect now that I've taught you the term monopsony?
Is it too late to change your next script and throw a little sprinkling a little amount?
Anopsony.
Don't you see it, guys?
This is an monocony.
The whole theater's going to say, is it what?
Yeah, that's right.
They're going to know.
They'll know.
They'll know.
Fedi, thank you so much.
This was awesome.
I hope you enjoyed talking some of this.
My pleasure.
My pleasure.
That is it for this week.
Thank you for listening.
And special thanks to Planet Money for letting me play that episode.
We'll be back with new episodes of imaginary worlds in two weeks.
