In Search Of Excellence - Sammy Hagar: From Broken Childhood to Living Legend | E161

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Sammy Hagar is one of the most prolific artists in the history of Rock and Roll.  Playing in bands like Montrose and Van Halen, and with a successful solo career that included the rock anthem “I Can’t Drive 55,” Sammy has had 25 platinum albums and has sold more than 60 million albums worldwide.  Sammy is also an extremely successful serial entrepreneur and was the first celebrity to create his own tequila brand which he sold more than 20 years ago for nearly $100 million.  He is also devoted to giving back and is a generous philanthropist. Coaching and Staying Connected:1-on-1 Coaching | Instagram | YouTube | TikTok | LinkedIn

Fame and fortune really didn't bring you anything. If you had a miserable marriage, you were still going to have that miserable marriage. If you were an alcoholic, you were still going to be an alcoholic. You know, if you were a bad guy, you were still going to be a bad guy. Fame and fortune don't change none of that. There's people that will do the wrong thing just because of their pride. I never knew anybody like that. Nobody would do that.

Prep is the most important thing. If you're not prepared, you're just not gonna succeed. Every second of my waking hours when I wasn't eating, I had that guitar in my hand and I was prepping. What are the three or five most ingredients to our path to excellence? Passion, hard work, and determination. Then eventually you're gonna make it happen.

It's gonna happen. The biggest lesson I've learned in my life is you never know what's going to happen, good or bad. You never know. My guest today is Sammy Hagar. For more than four decades, Sammy has been one of the best and most accomplished lead singers and songwriters in the history of rock music. Over his career, Sammy has had 25 platinum albums and sales surpassing 60 million worldwide. Along his journey, he has set the tone

for some of the greatest rock anthems ever written with songs like I Can't Drive 55, Right Now, and Why Can't This Be Love? Sammy won a Grammy Award in 1991, and in March 2007, he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Van Halen. In addition to being a music icon,

Sammy is an incredibly successful entrepreneur. He's the owner of Cabo Wabo Cantina, a thriving and iconic lifestyle brand. He's the founder of Cabo Wabo Tequila, which he sold in 2008 for $91 million. He's the founder of Sammy's Beach Bar Rum and a co-founder of Santo Tequila, as well as several restaurants. Sammy has also had incredible success in the worlds of publishing, TV, and radio, including five seasons of his hit TV show, Rock and Roll Road Trip with Sammy Hagar,

and is host of Sammy Hagar's Top Rock Countdown. And if that wasn't enough, he's also a two-time, number one New York Times bestselling author for his books, Read My Uncensored Life in Rock, and Are We Having Fun Yet? Sammy is also an incredibly dedicated and generous philanthropist who, along with his wife, Carrie, have donated many millions of dollars to a wide range of charities. Sammy, welcome to In Search of Excellence. Wow.

Well, that's a lot to live up to. I guess we got a lot of explaining to do. How did that guy do all that? Exactly. Well, let's find out do all that? Exactly. Well, let's find out. All right. I always start with our family because from the moment we're born, our family helps shape our personalities, our value and our future.

You grew up in Salinas, California, the youngest of four children. We're going to talk about both of your parents separately, but I want to start with your father Bobby. He served in World War II and when he returned he worked at the Kaiser Steel Mill. Your dad was also a bantamweight boxer who held a record for being knocked down 20 times in a single fight. He was also a disturbed alcoholic who often spent your family's rent money on booze, which meant you and your family were regularly evicted.

You lived in nine different houses before you were 10 years old. And many of those moves were to get away from your dad. In addition to being what you call the town drunk and a complete alcoholic and madman, your dad was also a wife beater and violent towards his kids. So much so that your mom Gladys would occasionally take you and your siblings to a nearby orange girl to sleep in the car. When you were 10 years old, your mom said that's enough and she left your dad for good. It's a lot.

Can you share with us what it was like growing up poor, moving around so much, and having a dad who was a violent alcoholic? And how did all of this affect you as a child and then later on in life? Wow, it's such a deep question. You know, I never knew I was poor because I didn't know any better. And we always lived in poor neighborhoods, lived in a small town, and there really weren't rich people in Fontana at that time. And if there were, I wasn't hanging out with them and going to their houses.

So in some ways, being poor was kind of a really great adventure that I think really gave me a sense of appreciation. Every time I got somewhere in life, I would revert back to, wow, you know, this is great. It's so much better than before. I thought before was okay. But my mother made it good the way my father was because she ran off with us. So we never got abused. My father never touched me. He only praised me. He would say, you're going to be champ of the world. My father wanted me to be a fighter. So I grew up thinking, yeah, I'm going to be a boxing champion. I'll be the world champion.

I'll be rich and famous. And I just had this fantasy going on in my head. And my dad encouraged it. He'd put on the gloves with me, show me how to box. And my friends would come over to the house and my dad would get a couple drinks in him and say, come on, put on the gloves, son. My buddies would be going, oh no, not this again. Because I was pretty good. You know, I had a good jab, I was fast, and I knew how to punch, even at a young age. My father taught me how to do

that kind of stuff. So my dad was cool. I mean, I looked up to him. I thought he could beat anybody up. I was proud of him. And it wasn't until I started dating, you know, I started getting involved with girls that I realized my dad was a town drunk and her dad wouldn't let me come over to her house. And I thought, what's going on here? You know, I guess I was naive and my dad helped make me that way. And my mom did too. She grabbed us and ran us out of the house and went camping. You know, when the weather was good, we went camping. So, you know, we weren't homeless. We would have been homeless. I'd been sleeping in a car, which we did many times. But my dad was... He just really had a drinking problem. Other than that, he had a good heart. He was a really sensitive guy. My dad used to look at this mountain that I

used to always say that I could see that mountain in his eyes. And he would look at this mountain and go, isn't that beautiful? Or he'd look at some tree or some flowers or something. My dad, he was a badass. I mean, he'd punch anybody in the face for just looking at him wrong. I thought, man, this guy's tough, but he's really sensitive. So I kind of inherited that in a way. I'd look at it and see, I wanted to see what my dad was seeing. and so I think my dad had a Profound influence on me and made me want to be somebody and convinced me I was gonna be somebody so I never had any doubt What about being poor? Did you have any exposure in Fontana? We'll talk about some of the odd jobs you had in a minute and one of them how it had an influence in you But you said you didn't know that you were poor growing up.

There weren't different socioeconomic classes when you were in school? No, no, in school I was really good at math, I was really good at art, and I was good in gymnastics. So that's what I concentrated on. I didn't pay attention, I didn't do well in English, which it's funny that I'm a writer, my whole profession, but I wasn't really good at English because I didn't and I hated history. I didn't want to know about what happened. I want to know

what's going to happen right now, you know. So I decided to be in poor. Like I said, my friends are all poor. I'd go to their house and they weren't much better off than me, but some of them were a little better off, but their dad worked at the same place my dad worked. And the reason we were poorer is because my dad would throw drunks for like a month at a time and not go to work. So we had no income and my mom would leave and she'd do ironings or pick fruit or clean houses. We used to go to yard work and stuff like that, you know, and we'd pull up to some house that the yard looked trash and they looked like

they might have had a little bit of money. My mom would go knock on door and say, hey, we'll clean your yard up and stuff for five bucks. And we'd do it, the whole family. We'd jump out and pick berries. We'd go to the, you know, strawberry patches and potato fields. And Fontana was very agriculture around there, close to the Coachella Valley. So, you know, we could drive 20 minutes and go work in the fruit or in the vegetable fields and we did it as a family. It felt like fun. You know, I'd make my own money. I'd have like four dollars, man. I go, man, I'm gonna go buy a pair of Levi's, a pair of shoes and a t-shirt with this, you know, in the early 50s. I hope you're enjoying this video so far,

but before we jump back in, I wanna know if you've ever thought about what you need to do to reach a nice level of success in your life. Over the last 25 years, I've been an advisor to more than 50 companies. I've invested nearly 100, including Google lift and Seagate and I also co-founded a company that today is worth more than 15 billion dollars. I've been incredibly blessed in

my journey and at this stage in my life I want to give back. I want to share the lessons I've learned so you can reach incredible success way faster than I did. In my own journey I've learned that having the right mentor is a massive advantage to achieving our goals. I'm hugely passionate about mentoring others. I'm looking for a few hungry entrepreneurs who are excited to take action on their journey to incredible future success. So that's you, I've got an opportunity.

In the description of this video, there's a link where you can apply to work with me. All you need to do is answer a few simple questions, and if you're a good fit, my team will reach out so we can build a game plan together. All right, now let's get back to the video. Let's talk about your grandfather and the impact he had on your life. Can you tell us about the Actillo Lounge, Lord Fletcher, Frank Sinatra, and the four presidents of the United States?

My grandpa, Bio, my mother's father, came from Italy. He very illiterate, you know, didn't speak English that well. I guess when he got here, he came when he was about eight or nine years old on a boat, and he worked in a restaurant industry. He was a great chef, but he was like a superstar in the family because he was the only guy, you know, he worked at these great places in Palm Springs, and he served Frank Sinatra, and he would serve a president would come in and have a big buffet and he was part of that. So we, you know, grandpa, and he was a good bullshitter. He was number one, he was a thief and a liar, which I hate to call him that because he can't defend himself, but he was.

We loved him. And I'm named after him, Sam R. Sam Roy. And that's Roy's my middle name so but I dug him he was always uptight he was you couldn't mess around his car he always had kind of a nice car and it would be like wow you know get your feet off you know get wipe your shoes off where you get in this car he was he was like I go man this guy's grumpy you know but but he taught me how to fish taught me how to hunt taught me how to cook and I just how to hunt, taught me how to cook. And I just remember pulling up to, he lived in a trailer because he was always on the

run. He never lived in a house. He lived from a tent to a trailer, had a new car every three or four years, and had a really nice Airstream trailer. And he would pull that trailer all around different parts of the country and go fishing, hunting. He'd can all of his goods. He, a renaissance man, he made everything.

So, I learned how to make food from him, how to cook well, and how to eat well. I knew what things tasted like. Like, so if I went to a restaurant, I used to say, man, I really want to go to, you know, this Italian restaurant or whatever. And you go there and go, well, this ain't as good as grandpa's, you know. And my mom was a good cook too. So I learned what smells good and what tastes good and in food and how to Prepare things he showed me how to do a maripouille the way he is his version of a maripouille he would chop the onion the Carrots and the celery and he would Wouldn't put them all in the same pan. He would do the carrots first

Then into a pot a little more olive oil, he'd do the onions into the pot. And I'd say, why you do it like that, Grandpa? He'd say, because it keeps all the flavors separate. You don't want it just to taste like one thing. You want it to taste like carrots, celery, and onion. And I thought, wow, I took that with me in my whole life. And it's same with the song. You know, you're playing instruments. You want the bass to sound like the bass, want the guitar to sound like guitar. You want the drums to sound like drums. You don't want them to sound like a big bottle of mush. And it's, he would just, he really had it together. But I learned a lot from my grandpa. Yeah. I want to go back for a second and talk about your childhood,

early childhood specifically. What were you like as a kid? Were you popular? Were you a leader? As a kid, I was really popular. I was very small, I was short, but I had big sisters that would comb my hair and I had a duck tail when I was five years old, you know, and a big old pompadour, and you know, I mean, you know, the jelly roll thing,

you know, anything that was in fashion, way above my era, I was in. They had me wearing Levi's, customized down low, put the small belt, you know, and my sisters had me looking like Elvis, you know, at all times. And so the girls dug me in school and I was a good dancer. I loved to dance and I would be the first guy on the dance floor. Little short guy. So the big guys, I was kind of a little short tough guy, too You know, I had an attitude and so the big guys liked me because they say ah, come on You know, let's take Sammy with us, you know these older guys, you know 16 17 year old I'm like 10 or 11 they take me around and and it sounds stupid

But they would get me to go into a situation where they wanted to get in a fight, you know, go to the next town over to football game. They'd bring me and I would go around, you know, act like a tough guy and somebody would push me or something. They'd say, hey man, you're picking on the little guy. I kind of thought I was invincible because I had these big tough guys as friends and And the girls liked me and I I had it going on had everybody fool because I would I would Have a paper out I'd get up at four o'clock in the morning and go throw papers I would go to school. I would after work. I would go wash dishes. I'd mow lawns

I'd do anything because I wanted to dress nice. So my mom didn't have that money and After my dad after they split it completely, you know, we were really poor my mom didn't have that money. And after my dad, after they split it completely, we were really poor. And I didn't have no allowance, no nothing, no way of earning money. So I earned my own money. So I always looked like I was probably doing pretty good. But as I started getting in my early teens

and I was getting interested in girls going to dances, I wouldn't bring anybody home to my house anymore, man. That was it. You know, I didn't want anybody to see how I lived. So I had a kind of a big front going on in junior high. And I just had one Mexican friend guy who lived down the street from me, who was poorer than me or just as poor, Henry Aguilar.

And he's the only guy who would let come my house. We'd walk from school with a bunch of guys, and then him and I would turn off and go down the side street and then we didn't we'd go to our neighborhood and we used to build model cars and stuff together so you know he was kind of like my homie to hang around this at at home I'm just remembering this stuff this is crazy I got to tell you and then but at, I didn't hang around with him. He had a whole different group of friends. I started hanging around with people.

I mean, I could have been the, you know, the president of the high school, of junior high and stuff. I could have, the city councilman or whatever they used to have, student councilman. But I didn't ever want to do those kinds of things, but I could have, you know, I was always in all the dances. But like I said, I finally went to one of my girlfriend's houses and her dad was not, he found out who

I was and he said, he put me in his car and drove me home. He said, come on, get in the car. And he took me out of there. I was over at the house, you know, hanging out. And I guess my dad had beat him up in a bar, had punched him out. And yeah, pretty embarrassing. That's when I started realizing the way of it. You know, you got a little, you're carrying a little luggage with you. Son, your dad did a rough job around this town for you. Every successful person I've ever met had a bunch of odd jobs growing up. We've talked about a bunch of years, talked about, I went door to door in neighborhoods around my house asking a stranger if I could pick their weeds.

I bagged groceries at Kroger in high school. I dug ditches one summer while they were building the Weight Watchers World headquarters in Farmington Hills, Michigan. We talked about you pick fruit, you deliver newspapers and mow lawns. And although your family was dirt poor, your aunt lived in Palm Springs and knew some wealthy people.

Your cousin cleaned pools for wealthy families when you were and when you were nine years old you cleaned pools with them. Can you tell us about Danny Thomas, the Popsicle and the influences had on your future? Yeah, when I saw real money, you know, when I went and cleaned those pools, I saw Alvar Hitchcock's house and Danny Thomas's house. I never even dreamed of having a swimming pool. So I was happy to go clean them and Danny Thomas comes out. It was like 124 degrees in the summer in Palm Springs and I'm out there scrubbing on my hands and knees, scrubbing the tile, you know, from the top and he's going, hey, jump in there, you know. And I went, really, man? All right. You know, and I took off my shirt in my jeans probably. I can't remember what I was dressed like, but I didn't

have a bathing suit on, I don't think. And I dove in the pool and I thought, man, I swam at Danny Thompson's pool. And I used to tell my friends that, you know, and they would think, whoa. And I said, you know, I told him I saw Alfred Hitchcock in the window, like in his movies where he had always been looking out a window or something in that scene. And I don't believe I really saw Alfred Hitchcock, but I cleaned this pool with my cousin Chuck and my uncle. But wow, seeing the rich, the person that in Fontana, when I lived there, my dad finally cleaned up for 11 months and we actually rented a nice house. Never owned a house.

My mother didn't own a house or my parents didn't own a house until I bought her one. And so I never owned a house. We always rented, but we were written dumps most of the time because my mom would think, well, we have to leave. We're gonna lose this house anyway. So my dad was cleaned up for a long time, went to AA meetings and got a real support system from his workers, his Kaiser Steel workers. And we moved to a nice house and across the street was a guy that owned a sporting goods store and he owned all kinds of real estate. He had a real estate company, the Petersons, and they had a young boy that was about a year younger than me and single kid. He didn't have any brothers

and sisters. And they had a three-car garage. They had a Lincoln, a Cadillac, and a Chrysler Imperial. I just remember, I was a car guy in 1956. We had a 49 Ford, but we lived in the same neighborhood, but they had this really nice house in that neighborhood. Wasn't really a neighborhood, it was kind of very rural. We had a lot of property, it was just kind of fields, you know. But he had a nice piece of property with the in-law quarters, and they had a living maid and all these things. And this guy took a liking to me and my brother, because we'd play with his kid. Bobby would come over to the house, and, hey, Sammy, can you come over?

Oh, can I come over and play? I'd say, no, let's go to your house. Because man, he had every toy in the world. His mom would make us grilled cheese sandwiches and give us ice cream and all this stuff. I went, man, I really saw how rich people live for 11 months. They took me to Disneyland with him. I saw Disneyland for the first time. They took me to a country club and they would get the golf country club. They were working for lunch with Bobby and I'm sitting there going, man, this is like living. And that's where I really saw how it was so much what it would be like to be wealthy.

I mean, it was just, I thought, wow, I had never even dreamed it. But I think that really elevated my brain to say, well, I want to live like that. I'd rather, I'm not going to live like this anymore. Someday, I'm going to live like that. I didn't know how I was going to do it, but I was, I certainly opened my eyes. And I think it's really important for young people to have an experience like that. And I had it long enough to really say, I know what this is about now. This ain't just a one-time fantasy.

Oh, they must not live like this every day. No, these people live like this every day, you know, and I Really think it's eye-opening and it's enlightening it it Expands your consciousness at least to say there is a better life Some people that just live in them ghetto their whole life and never get out. They don't know any difference Like when I was young, I didn't know I like said I didn't know I was poor I had no idea you'd somebody asked me what I wanted to do when I grew up. Oh, I want to be a boxer. I'm going to be a world champion.

Oh, what are you going to do? When are you going to do that? Well, I don't know. It's like, I don't know even when I'm going to start. I just goof off with my dad or my friends with boxing gloves. But the truth of the matter is that I thought, well, I'll take a job at Kaiser Steel where my dad's working right now. Man, he's making like 80 bucks a week, you know?

I mean, so I wasn't thinking big time at all. But I think the Petersons really put that enlightenment into me. The Palm Springs thing was fantasy. There's a movie stars and stuff, you know, those aren't real people. Well, you know, now that they are. Well, some of them. Because you are one. I know some of my real people. I know some of them.

OK, all right, there you go. OK, there you go. All right. At some point in our lives, there comes a point where we figure out what we want to do for some. It comes very early in life for some. It comes later in life. Let's talk about when you discovered music. Tell us about the Sears catalog, the fabulous Castilles, and sneaking into Swing, the auditorium when you were 17 years old. Wow, I wasn't 17, I don't think. I think I was younger than that. Because my friend, when I snuck

into the Swing auditorium to see the Rolling Stones, their first American performance, I was 64. What I saw with that was what I really wanted to be. That and seeing Eric Clapton in the first cream performance at the Whisky a Go Go, I'm going to play guitar like him. First I wanted to be Mick Jagger. Well, I wanted to be Elvis Presley and then I wanted to be Mick. And then I said, no, I'm going to be Eric Clapton. He plays and sings. So I'm going to be like Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck at the same time. I'm going to be Mick Jagger and Keith Richards at the same time. How I got that influence was, you know, I decided it was going to be both, but I didn't even play guitar yet. You know, it's just barely starting. But I think is what really changed me up was I had a really crazy experience with my dad.

He was really in bad shape and he was going to take me into, I got my car permit. I had a permit and he had a car and he was, I was able to drive with him even though he didn't have a driver's license. We drove into LA to the Main Street Gymnasium and he said, I want you to train with John Velaflor who had Jerry Corey back in those days and Mondo Rama, some of those kind of people came out of the Main Street Gym. And we went there and they said, I want to get my dad told John Velaflor, I want to get my son a professional life. He's going to go professional. He said, well, has he had any amateur fight? He'd been fighting his whole life. So he said, okay, it's going to cost like X amount of time. My dad went

down, gave blood, right? And got the money to get the forms for me to fill out to become a professional fighter. And I sparred with a real fighter. He hit me in the head. My head was ringing for a week. And I thought, man, I don't know if I really want to do this, but hey, I got to do this for my dad. Got back home. My mom saw me filling out the paper. She starts crying, says, you're not going to do that. Look what it did to your father and blah, blah, blah. And I threw the papers in the trash and that was my end of my boxing career. So that was an important moment because I gave up on one dream that, and then then I I was lost for a while but then I started getting into music and I can tell you right now music first

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and at this stage in my life, I wanna give back. I wanna share the lessons I've learned so you can reach incredible success way faster than I did. In my own journey, I've learned that having the right mentor is a massive advantage to achieving our goals. I'm hugely passionate about mentoring others. I'm looking for a few hungry entrepreneurs who are excited to take action on their journey to incredible future success. So that's you. I've got an opportunity. In the description of this video, there's a link where you can apply to work with me. All you need to do is answer a few simple questions. And if you're a good fit,

my team will reach out so we can build a game plan together. All right, now let's get back to the video. You had your first band in high school and you were 14 years old. You were an excellent student, but after you graduated high school, you wanted to get out of Fontana as fast as you could. You moved to nearby Riverside, California,

managed a local music store, and played in a handful of bands, local bands, including the Johnny Fortune band, Big Bang, Skinny, Dust Cloud, Cotton, Jimmy, the Justice Brothers, and Manhole. Then you got married and moved to San Francisco, and at some point after moving there, two of your band members were arrested on drug charges.

You were broke without a band, and after that you spent several months driving a dump truck for your father-in-law in New York as a means of supporting yourself until you could put a new band together. Here you are, you dreamed of becoming a musician your whole life and now you're driving a dump truck. On our path to excellence, all of us have to overcome any challenges and obstacles along the way. We're going to talk about some of your other challenges a little later, but now can you take us back to the exact moment where you got that call, your bandmates are in jail, what you were feeling that day and on the flight back to New York and while you were driving

dump trucks, were you depressed? And if so, how did you get over that? And as part of that, tell us about the ship and the two creatures inside of the ship who visited you while you were laying awake one night. Oh, boy, you just, man, you just dumped a bunch of stuff in one bucket, brother. Let me first of all, just correct you. I never drove the dump truck. I didn't even drive it. I worked on the back of it. I was the guy that was out lifting up the stuff, throwing it in the back. My brother-in-law, who was my wife's brother, was driving her dad's truck. I wasn't driving a truck.

He had the better job than me. But to start with, and also we didn't fly back to New York, is what happened is when what happened up in San Francisco, somebody gave my drummer acid. And of course, we're in San Francisco, right? Playing music. What do you expect in this era? 67, around there. And he went out and the bass player was the leader

of the band and the drummer and the bass player room together and I had my little room. And they had community bathrooms. It wasn't even, we didn't even have our own bathroom and it was just rooms, you know, like six bucks a night or something. And we were living above the club we were playing at backing up these oliebagoodiac of coasters and the drifters and the charelles and these kind

of olibogudiacs that were coming in and we would play their songs. Because my bass player was an older dude, he knew it, but he was selling weed because they couldn't live on what they were getting. I couldn't either, but I was making it because I was poor. I guess they might have had more money than me. But it was Larry Taylor and Dave Arnold. Dave was selling weed. Larry took acid, went out in the street, four o'clock in the morning finds these two cops walking the beat in North Beach and in the strip club area where we were playing. And he goes, hey, you guys need to get high. And they said, oh, really? He said, yeah.

He said, well, where can we get something so you guys want to get high? And he said, yeah, he says, come on. So he, he's stoned on acid. He thinks he's going to turn these cops on to getting high, right? They he's like, well, I'm going to change the law. I've changed the world right here. I'm going to turn these cops on to getting high. So of course they go right with him up to the room, walk in the room,

arrest the fuck out of him. They take him to jail. And I'm there with my wife, no money. So I went and the manager of the club, I said, man, he liked me and liked the band, but he took a liking to me. Dom Pruitt, a wonderful guy, a wonderful man by the way, a person that helps other people even if he's not in a great position. No, these people need help, I'm going to help them, you know? And he said, look, I live in this apartment, they're painting my apartment. Can you paint? And I said, hell yeah, you know? So I painted, made some money, enough money to paint. I started working with these guys, and I made some good friends doing that. There was a couple guys that were really cool guys,

and one was a musician too. So I kind of got myself in the San Francisco scene. I went back home and tried to get it together, and I said, I'm moving to San Francisco someday. I said, I'm gonna get my shit together, and I'm gonna move to San Francisco. There's something up there, and this Don Pruitt I said, I'm moving to San Francisco someday. That's it. I'm going to get my shit together and I'm going to move to San Francisco. There's something up there. And this Don Pruitt guy said, yeah, I'll try to help you out. You know, if you put a band together, bring them

here, I'll get you guys some work. I said, cool. So in the meantime, my wife gets pregnant. I, I own a, um, I mean, I get drafted. I get my draft notice and her dad says, I'm sending you two bus tickets. My daughter's pregnant, you're coming back to New York and you're going to live with us. I'm not going to have this baby out in the streets living like hippies and like bums. My mom didn't want us living there. She said, if you're not going to get a job, you can't live here.

It was pretty hard times, brother. I got to tell you what job, you can't live here. You know, it was pretty hard times, brother. I got to tell you what I think right now. I'm going, man, I was desperate. I packed up my guitar and my amplifier. I put wood on the front of my amp. The amplifier weighed like 100 pounds. And we, one suitcase between us, we got on a bus that stopped in every friggin town. It took three days to get to Rochester, New York. And I went to work on his garbage truck. He was tough. My father, who became one of my dearest people I've ever known in my life later in life. But he was tough on me, man. He wouldn't even look at me. He'd shake my hand like this. He'd turn his head, shake my hands. Four o'clock in the morning, ready to go to work? Yep. So, yeah, that was tough. Rochester, New York. When it starts snowing, my brother-in-law was a good mechanic,

and he, him and I bought this bullshit little van that had a blown up engine. We put a new engine in, we rebuilt it. We'd come home from working on the garbage truck. You'd go to work at four in the morning, you're done at seven. So we'd go eat breakfast, come back home, start working on this car, right? And then I worked in another place at night, I was making in a print shop, because I was trying to make save some money. I was saving every penny. I'm living with my father-in-law now. They're cooking, I'm eating their food, not paying any rent, and I'm saving every penny. And I want to get back and move to San Francisco. So there was a lot of stops in between. But that was my goal was to get to San Francisco where I thought I could make it.

And I did. That's where it happened. But my father-in-law finally started liking me because I wasn't a bum. I rolled up my sleeves. I could work. I knew how to do what had to be done. I wasn't like a lazy guy at all. Never was. Still ain't. But anyway, so he helped us with the car. The first day it snowed, we strapped my ex-wife in the back.

We strapped this cot we built in the back and so it wouldn't roll around and tied it to the walls and put her in the back in the car because she was pregnant about four or five months by then. And we drove nonstop taking turns overnight, 56 hours from New York to Southern California. I rented a house with the money I had, went on welfare, had the baby and moved to San Francisco. Long story short. Can you tell us about the ship and the two creatures inside of the ship? That happened during that time before I moved to San Francisco. Yes, sir, I can tell you

about that ship. We want to hear about it. Well, first of all, at that stage in my life, I was like 20 years old. I didn't know anything about astronomy, astrology. I didn't know about... I'd look at the sky, just see stars. I never even looked at the sky. I was looking at the ground, looking for money or bottles or something like cash in and make money off of trying to make a living. But I had just no belief in any UFOs, anything like it, nothing. And all of a sudden I'm laying in bed and I have this dream that I was being manipulated some way.

And this is before wireless, this is before remote, even remote control things. And I saw this little ship, it was a flying saucer. Sorry to say 13 miles away sitting on this little hillside in Lyle Creek knew right where the area was and They were tapped into me with a wireless system. But to me I see a wire I saw in my brain is all like a thing goes they got a they got me plugged in They're plugged into my brain and I don't know if they were uploading or downloading. Now I believe they were just downloading. They're just trying to see what I had to offer. You know, who's this guy? It was random. I don't believe I'm special from that. I believe I'm special from the experience a little bit, but not, they didn't

pick me because I was special. They weren't trying to make me something. I believe this now. So long story short, I'm kind of waking up and I'm seeing what's going on. What the hell is this? Two little guys way up there. How is this working? Couldn't put it together. But they didn't yell it out. Telepathy. I could hear them. I could feel them. We were communicating somehow. And they had a numerical system. It was like not from our numerical system. It was like, a numerical system. It was like not from our numerical system. It was like, and I was unplugged and they went black. My room turned completely white in the middle of the night. It just turned so white that it was like infinity, you know? And then it went pow! And I opened my eyes and I thought my eyes are open and all these weird things.

That split second, I was shaking like a leaf and it's in the middle of the night. I didn't know what to do. I don't even think I woke up my wife. I didn't want to scare her. And it was like scary as hell. But my brain said, what in the hell was that? And I started looking in the sky and I started thinking, wow, I started reading astronomy books. When I got first money I ever bought anything with, it was probably a telescope. I wanted to look and I started studying the planets. I started studying the cosmos. I started reading Einstein's book, The Theory of Relativity.

I started reading Ospinski. It just set me, I got goosebumps in my arms right now, I'm just telling you this, I got them all over my legs. It set me on a quest. I'm going to find out what in the hell that was. And I started believing in, you know, I started wondering what's God? I mean, what are we here for? You know, I didn't think about reading the Bible, I just went to church because my parents made me. I was interested in none of that. It opened my brain. And when your brain is open, you start absorbing other things. And everything started happening for me from that moment on. The cosmic shit. I decide, oh, I think I'll go back to San Francisco and see if that guy's still

there. And walking up knocking on the door, and I meet some other guy that says, oh, yeah, you've got long hair, bushy hair. He says, you're going to be contacted from UFOs. I don't know if they've been calling them from flying saucers, but alien beings. You'll be contacted by alien beings. You guys would look at me and see that I had had that experience that they knew. I sound like a crazy person right now, but I would have thought people crazy too, but it freaking happened. So that was the greatest thing that

ever happened to me. Otherwise, I'd have just been living in that house probably and playing that nightclub. I was trying to get the job at and making a living and having kids and a family. So you moved back to California in the 70s, 1983 rolls around and you're playing in a San Francisco cover band and a well-known session guitarist named Ronnie Montrose learned about you, recruited you to join his new rock band.

You appeared on the first and second albums, which included the first song you ever wrote, Bad Motor Scooter, and a couple years later, you and Ronnie had some conflicts and you were fired from the band. We're gonna talk about your solo career in a minute, but when you were the lead singer and got that job, did you at this point think you had made it?

Yeah, I didn't have any money yet, but I knew that was the farthest I could see at what was making it. I had an album out, I'd been on TV, and I toured the world. And I hadn't made any money yet, $150 a week is what we made and $10 a day per DM to eat on. And, you know, my phone was shut off at home and, you know, and all that kind of stuff. And I, I, I couldn't have been happier. You couldn't have got me to be bummed out. The only bummed out thing is when I got kicked out of the band and it was because of my ambition. I'm a very ambitious person. If I'm in a room with somebody

and somebody says, hey, how are we going to do this? Or how does that work? Or can we do this? And if nobody jumps up and takes the lead, boom, I'm the first guy say, here's how we do it. And here's what we're going to do. And I start going. I don't even, you know, I start leaving a dust trail. You know, I'm completely a knee-jerk, spontaneous, don't think, no downside exists in my world and I go for it. And that's the way I've always been and it scared the hell out of my any leaders I was ever around. You know, if I had a boss, he'd say, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on kid, you know. So Ronnie thought I was trying to take over the band because I was always coming up with these ideas and writing all the songs.

So his insecurity threw me out of the band. But it's really unfortunate that we never could communicate. I was naive. I didn't know what an ego was. He had an ego. I had never seen an ego. No one told me that there's people that will do the wrong thing just because of their pride. I never knew anybody like that.

Nobody would do that. You know, right? What? You know, so, you know, being naive and being poor, going back to catch us up here again, the poor side of it and the naivety of the whole thing, I think was really important to get me through the hard times. You know, so nothing seemed like a hard time to me. Hell, I'd already slept in a car and I'd already been hungry. I already had nothing. I had to work in fields at 4 o'clock in the morning picking fruit with my mom and then get up and go to school.

I mean, and then she'd drop me off at school and come back, she'd work the rest of the day. So anything that happened to me was like, this is no big deal. So Montrose, we were living it up. I was living in a hotel room, you know, my drummer is my bandmate, my roommate, you know, we had to double up. We drove our own car, had a station wagon. We drove ourselves from gig to gig. I remember a time in Montrose getting stuck in a hotel because we, Ronnie Montrose is using his credit card because he had been in Edgar Winter Band. I thought he was rich, but he really wasn't.

But he had made some money. He had a credit card, and his credit card was maxed. They went, let us out of the hotel. We're going, what are we going to do? You know, it's like... So after that, you started what would become a very successful solo career. You had your first platinum record, Standing Hampton, which had some great songs on it, including There's Only One Way to Rock. Then 1983 rolls around. Your next album, Three Lock Box, generated your first Top 40 single, Your Love Is Driving

Me Crazy, which hit number 13 on the Billboard Hot 100. And at this point, you're on a roll. Your next album, Vio, comes out and along with it came your best-known song, I Can't Drive 55, which is one of the greatest rock anthems of all time and which pumps me up every time I listen to it. And at this point, you're headlining in the US and Europe. Three years later, you have your first number one hit with your song Give to Live, which came out after you joined Van Halen. Can you walk us through all of that?

You get fired from Montrose, you're starting your own solo career, you have your first platinum album, you reached the Billboard Hot 100, you've got massive hit, I Can't Drive, 55, and then you have the number one song in the United States. Is this the dream? And was each of these accomplishments on your bucket list,

did you have a bucket list? And at this point, did you really think you had really, really made it and you weren't going to go any further than this? Well, once I got one little taste of fame and fortune, it was the fortune that drove drove me on that after because once you're on TV, you see yourself, you know, once you have a, you know, hit record and all that, it's like, you think, well, I can do this as long as I want. I mean, when you're in the middle of a success and you're hot, you know, when I was hot in the 80s, I thought, well, this will never end, number one. And number two, I can do whatever I want because I'm, you know, I started, my ego started

thinking, yeah, you know, I did all this. I'm, I worked my hard, you know, I worked hard and got everything I wanted. And I know how to do it. And I can keep doing it. But money is what woke me up to the fact that you can have more. You know what I mean? I was living a pretty good life.

But I thought, man, if I retire, I ain't going to be able to live like this. I got to keep working. So I thought I had to keep working. So then I started thinking about, well, maybe if I do the right thing with my money and all that, it could change things. But, you know, to where I wouldn't have to work if I didn't want to, that was the only insecurity I had was being broke again in my life.

So I started becoming driven by money. Not where I would do anything for money, not like that, but driven, hey, if I can make that kind of money, go out and do that, I'll go do it. I'll work my ass off. I'll work 365 days a year. But it wasn't like, oh, you want to go hit baby seals over the head with a hammer for a million dollars? No, no, thanks. I don't need that kind of money. I wasn't like that. But I was starting becoming driven, really driven. But you know, the hits and all those things, it was strange because my manager at that time said to me, you're the only artist. This guy was the Beatles tour manager, the Rolling Stones agent, Petula Clark's manager and agent, the Osmond Brothers early manager and agent and had a band called sweet and he took me on as my manager and he said

You're the only artists I've ever known in my life that success drives you you get better and you work harder with success Most artists when they have a you know enough success for they feel hey I got a million dollars or I've got plenty of money. They start losing their drive and they start getting distracted. And you've seen it again and again, how many people have hit the top and then just disappeared or ruined their life some way. I started working out more. I started running every day. I started practicing more. I sat in my room and wrote songs. I'd come after a show. I'd go to my room with a guitar and I'd write another song. I was driven, driven, driven. And he really expressed that. He said, you know, I've never met anybody like you. This is great. You are really, success

makes you better. You get smarter. You know, you tighten up your act and all this. And I think he was right because I wanted more, you know? so I didn't think I had enough. I know I had enough. I knew I had made it, but I didn't. The dream from then, after 1982, the dream was over. I accomplished much more than I ever thought I would ever accomplish. And I really, I start dreaming a different dream. I can't explain it, but I just start thinking,

no, there's something else that this can bring me. Being a rock star is cool, but man, I'm 40 years old, man. How long can I do this? Here, I'm 74 now, and I'm still doing it, but it does give me pleasure now again. But there was a time where I was just doing it and not for money, but I was saying, no, I got it. I got to keep doing this kind of for money, but you know, until I find out what else I can do. Everything goes around, comes around, but the dream was over in the 80s, not over like, oh my God, I still had heart and passion, but I mean, I dreamt so much more than I ever thought I would have. This was beyond the dream, and the dream wasn't what I thought it was. So fame and fortune really didn't bring you anything. If you were still

miz... had a miserable marriage, you were still going to have that miserable marriage. If you were an alcoholic, you were still going to be an alcoholic. You know, if you were a bad guy, you were still going to be a bad guy. Fame and fortune don't change none of that. All it does is keep you from having to work at something you might not want to do. I really got enlightened to fame and fortune and I thought, I'm no longer about fame and fortune. I'm about doing what I want to do and this is going to lead me into something. I started thinking I might want to be into politics. I thought, I could be president if I wanted or maybe I want to run a big corporation. I would think like that because I had no education.

I never finished high school, so I didn't have, you know, backing from a college with a degree and all this stuff. So I started wanting to do things to show that I could do anything. I was starting to flex my muscles, say, I'm smart as that guy. I know how to run that company. I could do this. I could do anything. I was starting to flex my muscles, say, I'm smart as that guy. I know how to run that company. I could do this. I could do that. And so I got really, really ambitious and creative in the sense where I would try anything. I was fearless. you