In Your Pants with Dr. Susie G - Fun and Fearless Sex

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

It's time to go on a sexy pleasure hunt, friends! Learn ways to help you feel empowered to navigate your sexual barriers so that you can connect with your sexual voice, identity, and freedom.    Dr. Rose Schlaff is an intimacy coach and licensed pelvic physical therapist who helps people overcome barriers to intimacy and reclaim lives that are filled with fun, fearless pleasure.   We cover topics like:  Common barriers to sexual intimacy Connecting with pleasure both in and out of the bedroom Safety and boundaries around sex and why this is important to fully step into your pleasure zone Science behind pleasure and pain Shifting from pain to pleasure Practical exercises to connect with your pleasure  FREEBIE ALERT (Get your Fun, Fearless Pleasure Guide here  https://www.bewellwithrose.com/free-goodie)   RESOURCES: Free sex and pelvic pain resources https://drsusieg.com/resources-for-pelvic-pain-in-men Online Pelvic Pain Relief Program for Men https://drsusieg.com/pelvic-pain-in-men-online-program   CONNECT WITH DR. ROSE: Website: https://www.bewellwithrose.com/learn-more Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bewellwithrose/ Email: [e-mail]   CONNECT WITH ME (DR. SUSIE): Website: https://drsusieg.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.susieg/ 15-minute call: https://drsusieg.com/pelvic-pain-specialist-15-minute-call

Hey friends, Dr. Susie G here and welcome to another In Your Pants podcast. I'm so happy that you can be here with us today. so on today's show we're going to be talking about fun fearless pleasure and how you can connect with your own sexual identity sexual voice and freedom and to help me do this i've brought on my fearless colleague and really good friend dr roche laugh who's an intimacy coach and pelvic physical therapist in particular some of the things that we go into include what are some of the common barriers to pleasure and intimacy both solo and partnered we're going to go pleasure hunting with you and we're going to help you find ways to feel good both in and out of the bedroom

we talk about safety and boundaries and why this is so important and must be prioritized in order for you to fully step into your pleasure zone and lastly we talk about how to build a web of support to find your dream team for sexy time to help support you through some physical emotional or both of these challenges or different life milestones that we may encounter throughout our life and so we give you some of those tools and strategies to help you build that web of support and dr. Rose has been so kind to also share with us a freebie y'all know how much I love freebies. Dr. Rose has a fun, fearless pleasure guide that is available to you and that can be

found in the podcast show notes by visiting drsusieg.com. That's d-r-s-u-s-i-e-g.com. So before we dive into this really fun, fearless episode, let me formally introduce Dr. Rose. Dr. Rose Schlaff is an intimacy coach and pelvic physical therapist. She supports women all over the world in her virtual coaching practice, where she helps women overcome barriers to intimacy and reclaim lives that are filled with fun, fearless pleasure. In addition to her virtual coaching practice, Dr. Rose is a guest lecturer for the University of Michigan's Human Sexuality Certificate Program, San Diego State University's Marriage and Family Therapy Sexuality and Intimacy Course, and she has had the opportunity to lecture internationally on the topic of sexual and pelvic

health in Beijing, China. So this is definitely a fun episode. Dr. Rose and I are very playful and are completely ourselves in this episode. So I really hope you enjoy it and really take to heart some of the tips and strategies that we provide so that you can connect with your pleasure, with your intimacy, and empower yourself to lean into these somewhat vulnerable spaces that we might find ourselves in so we're here for you and we hope you enjoy the show rose thank you so much for being on the show today i brought my uh blue i heart's gut plush penis to the show today and i also brought our vulva puppet here uh purple with light purple tones of lips as well so the clitoris and clitoral hurt i mean all yummy stuff again this is what we're talking about today we're

talking about pleasure hunting, sex, desire, barriers to pleasure and intimacy. So let's just jump right in. So Rose, let's talk about what are some of the most common barriers to pleasure and intimacy for folks? Okay. So getting out of your head is like one of the biggest ones. And right before we pressed record we were just talking about the human experience of like all the garbage thoughts that run through each of our heads right I like that garbage thoughts because it's true they're not facts right it's just stories and we just tell ourselves them because we're humans and we can just look at them and say like is that true I don't think that about Susie I don't think that about Rose right um but yeah like how many of us have been in a pleasurable experience in and out

of the bedroom and had your brain just go somewhere else like to-do list oh I forgot to switch over the laundry okay what do I need to get from the grocery store right like oh man there's there's some a friend of mine always talks about like her partner hangs the robe on the bedroom door and it's like if she can see that robe like oh god I hate when they do that so getting in your head right um that's the number one and then also just what society has kind of like told us sex looks like pleasure looks like so many of us feel like we're doing it wrong right like okay so um I basically like laid on top of my partner we like wiggled around for a minute and neither of us had an orgasm so like what am I doing wrong right uh-huh yeah I must be broken something's

wrong with me. Right. Exactly. So I think like that's a really common one. And then one that Susie and I talk about all the time can be physical pain or discomfort, right? So not just emotional pain or discomfort, but actually having physical barriers to intimacy. So there's a lot of different resources on this podcast, especially, but you know, muscles, hormones, nervous system, immune system, right? All these different things can be contributing to this physical response. And I talk a lot about peeling the onion. It's all about like looking at the onion. Okay. Peeling one layer away, peeling the next layer. Like, you know, and a lot of, a lot of the time we start with like, okay, let's peel away the pelvic floor muscles. Like those are working well. Okay. Now

we're like looking at the hormones or feeling that layer. Okay. Now we're looking at the thoughts. now we're peeling that layer so it's all about the onion it is and it's more our experiences including our biology are multi-dimensional it's true it's true so many factors involved with our our feelings how we experience the world how how we navigate certain contexts and situations and relationships and all of that is again just a accumulation of our experiences our lenses our predictions our anticipations our fears our vulnerabilities our strengths i mean all of these factors play into our experiences and if we're going to as you're saying rose like peel the layers at a time it's i'm hearing you say like let's be aware of what those barriers are let's

name those barriers, right? And naming it is so powerful because it's, we're all experiencing these things because we're human. And something that, you know, we've talked about, it's just naming the human experience. We all feel so alone. We all feel like the one weirdo and we're not. Right. Right. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So speaking of not feeling weird and not feeling weird. How, so why is, why are boundaries, let's talk about boundaries and safety and why that needs to be like the, on the top of the list when it comes to experiencing pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that boundaries and safety are really important piece of the puzzle to start eliminating some of these barriers and so when we feel safe

we can fully relax and let go and that that is pleasurable right and sometimes I talk about boundaries with food because I think people understand food more than almost everything else right it's pretty universal so for example like if you are at a dinner party and you had like a deadly walnut allergy and you just didn't tell a single person and you showed up to this dinner party and you're like oh my god I just hope that there's no walnuts in this like every bite you're taking you're like do I taste a hint of walnut is there walnut in this right and and you're on high alert you're constantly thinking about walnuts you're not present in the dinner party experience so you know if you were to say this the host like hey I have a walnut allergy

it would be really great if none of my food touched the walnuts. And if you gave me a heads up, if there's just a sea of walnuts anywhere in your home that I can just avoid. Right. And, and just having that conversation, just speaking it out loud, like, Hey, I'm really worried about these walnuts for a legitimate reason. I think it just helps us feel safe and set some boundaries around what's okay with me. What's not okay with me. So, you know, for an example of, of sex and intimacy, say, you know, you just got home from a really long day. You're really not feeling like having sex. Anytime your partner is like holding your hand or, or giving you a kiss or giving her a hug, you're kind of like your barriers up. You're like, God, I don't want this to turn into

sex. Like, I don't even want to navigate this. And if you can have kind of like a conversation about either, Hey, ahead of time, here's some good times where I'm open to sex, or here's some times when I'm open to this activity or a check like a quick check-in of saying hey like I don't want to have sex tonight but I'd really love to cuddle or I'd really love to hold hands or I'd really love to kiss you can actually let go and enjoy those things right instead of worrying about what's next worrying about what's this going to lead to so still maintaining that intimacy the connection with your partner instead of just completely disregarding their bid is what I'm Like you're still connecting, building relationships, strengthening your relationship, but also honoring your needs and negotiating with your partner saying, Hey, I'm not really up for that. But here's what I am up for. Like you're saying, Rose, or this is the time. Can we get back to this on, you know, Saturday after we have a dinner and I can decompress. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

communication. It's so huge. And, and also just like naming that sometimes it's uncomfortable to just come out with it and say, here's where I'm at and here's where I need, like, that is so vulnerable and vulnerability can feel really scary. And oftentimes I'll do this exercise with clients where it's red light, green light, yellow light. It's like, you do it ahead of time. You just sit down together and you're like, green light items are, this is what I always love. like this always feels good to me yellow light is like this sometimes feels good this sometimes doesn't and here's why here's the context just so you know and then red light is this is what I'm never down for like I'm never down for walnuts so like don't even try to put it in the pesto

right right and so I think that having that understanding of like okay here's our green yellow and red and here's the context for which yellow happens I think it it shows how safety can help you get some of those yellows into the green like I had a client who like every time her husband rubbed her back he would try to have sex with her afterwards and she's like like I can't even enjoy massages like massages I always just think it's this like exchange for me I can't even relax and enjoy it and after doing this activity with him and saying massages are a yellow here's the context when you expect sex afterwards. He was like, oh, well, I actually really just enjoy giving you massages. So what if we just had a massage date and then you just went to sleep?

And it became this beautiful way for them to connect and for her to experience pleasure and connection with her partner, right? Because of that clarity, because of that boundary. That is such a beautiful example. And I so appreciate you sharing that. And even that little exercise as far as opening communication figuring out what's red light green light yellow light but then having flexibility within that because as you're saying context is going to matter and if there's an anticipation because there's a predictive response right like oh every time this happens then this is where it goes of course you're going to be defensive and avoidant of of even participating in any activity that might result in something you just don't want to

do right right um so what a beautiful way to demonstrate turning towards each other in that moment right and as barry mccarthy would say erotic allies you turn towards each other as erotic allies rather than enemies right or strangers and then it's also like taking out that gray area i mean we have talked about our brains are really really good at telling us stories and it's like if we have a gray area of like I don't know what you're feeling and and what your behavior is meaning we make a lot of stories we make a lot of interpretations and you know her husband might have been thinking like wow just doesn't even want me to touch her anymore because she hates me or she's not attracted to me or maybe there's somewhere else where you know having this

communication of hey I'm really tired after work and I don't feel up to sex but I do really love you and I do really love our connection and I do want you to touch me because I do enjoy that that's clarity right and clear as kind yes I love that I love that exactly clarity clear as kind love it beautiful so let's segue into exploring like pleasure hunting as we kind of introduce the show pleasure hunting can you tell us what what does it mean to go pleasure hunting and how you work with your clients to discover that pleasure yeah so I think a lot of us have like a very clear understanding of the things that we don't like the things that annoy us the things that are like or even like big emotions that feel negative at the time like like oh I have like this

not in my stomach I'm very very connected to how anger feels or how sadness feels and and I think that sometimes it's hard to even identify like what do I want because we never really spend time thinking about that our brain is so set up to protect us that that we are focusing on the what we don't want and really like this is I always say this is like taking a road trip and saying like I just really don't want to go to Arizona like I hate Arizona like I don't want to go there and you're like cool but what if I what do I pack which direction do we drive in what like what activities are we gonna do and until you really think about like hey what do I want and start building out that roadmap building out that pack list it's really hard to get there to that space

and so I think pleasure hunting goes along with this right it's it's focusing on what is working what does feel like good to you and doing more of it. And I really encourage people to use every single sense in and out of the bedroom, right? It's not just about, yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, thank you. Here I am on the other end. I mean, for those of you who are just listening, I'm like, my hands are going up in the air. I'm making all these weird faces. I guess just to, just to agree with everything that you're saying. Susan's got green light vibes going on. I do I really do that or just like this quad shot latte that I just can't it's really getting to me right now I mean just anytime we talk this is the vibe so I think we couldn't expect anything less

absolutely but really like I think that using every sense you have and like honoring that pleasure is this sacred experience like you know something as simple as this is something I struggle with like I am such a learner I love podcasts I love information and sometimes I have to consciously be like listen to music it gives you pleasure like it gives you joy and it's worth investing in and even sometimes that conscious effort of it's not my first thought like oh I want to listen to in your pants I want to listen to a different podcast you know like but every time I do it and I turn on the music then I'm like in my body and then I feel different and really just noticing how you experience pleasure in your body because I think that awareness of

the physical manifestation of good feelings is often not there we're often very aware of what what hard feelings feel like in our body but like pleasure to me just feels like this like expansiveness in my stomach and it's just like open and I feel ease in my chest and this kind of like warmth and and we never really think about that right and even something as simple as you know redirecting yourself back to your body during a pleasurable experience where you're getting sucked into your head like for example I love dancing I love love love dancing and still sometimes in my beloved dance class that I wait an entire week for I find myself in my head thinking my little thoughts you know doing my brain thing and I'm like feel the it's outside

too Susie it's such a beautiful experience I'm like feel the sun on my face my skin feels good in the sun okay feel the breeze in my hair feel the grass under my feet feel how it feels to move in my body and I go through my senses like feel this or smell what grass smells like right all these different things to re-center. And so when we shift our focus to pleasure, when we ask ourselves what we do want, what that feels like in our body and how we're experiencing it with every sense, we can also help ground us in these pleasurable experiences. A hundred percent. Anything can be an experience where we slow down, take the time to notice, as you're saying, get out of our head and just feel and think later. And everything that you just said and named about being in tune

with that takes awareness. It takes effort to purposefully and intentionally put that into practice. This is a practice, really making it part of your lifestyle. And the other thing I wanted to just add to that is, I don't know if folks realize this, but when we take the time to breathe to touch to smell to feel to slow down to just be we are literally changing our biology right like we are literally changing in real time our cells our molecules in our body and in what direction what i'm talking about is immune system hormone system inflammatory responses um as david butler laura mostly we're saying a sprint and split you know those those processes are involved in like body tension right and contraction and fast breathing like all of the

things that you're saying rose is about hey let's stop and smell the roses i had to say it i had to see the world through rose colored glasses. We had to, we had to, I just had to go there, Rose. I love you. Yes. So, so like, like these things sound so nominal, right? And like, oh, how could that ever do anything? But listen, folks, we are in a world that we're distracted on the go. There's always a sense of urgency. And guess what? That is going into the bedroom with you into your sexual and intimate experiences and relationships and without that awareness without that slowing down you're not going to have a balance balance right and to be able to appreciate to recognize what you're saying rose pleasure yeah yeah and let's talk about mirror neurons too right if we're

going to get into the physiology of it like the things that you are thinking about your body your brain finds evidence of, right? If you've ever been pregnant and you're like, Oh my God, I see pregnant people and babies everywhere. Or if you've ever thought about buying like a red minivan, you're like, wow, I see so many red minivans everywhere. It's like your brain is collecting evidence. And it's saying like, like, Hey, I want to, I want to prove to myself, like I'm searching for this. And as soon as you name it and start the practice, it becomes easier and easier and easier because your whole body, your brain, your nervous system get on board. And they're like, Oh, okay. We're, we're no longer searching for danger and protection. We're going to search for pleasure.

Okay. I can get on board with this. That's right. And it takes time. So Rose, how do you help folks who, so speaking of that, you know, who have pain, pain, persistent pain, pain that is, is protecting Spain is protection, right? I mean, we, we tell our clients and patients that all the time like pain is a is a protector and sometimes it can get overly protective and really sensitive and and what is your your brain going to attend to to pain because that takes priority it's for survival and so how do you help your clients shift gently of course like shift their attention away from pain yeah to be able to find that pleasure because because for me I know it's it's challenging. It can be really challenging. It is. It is. It absolutely is. And let's just

hold some space for the challenge that is there. And, and, you know, this is a difficult journey and, and so many medical providers, so many providers in general, just don't have a depth of understanding, um, and, and can invalidate or can, you know, minimize this. And, and this can be, um, really impactful in so many different areas of your life. And so I think we want to name that, hold space for that, and also say, you know, you're not alone. You're not the only one feeling that. And also there's ways that we can move out of it. Right. And so I think that these, these couple things, right. So let's talk about red, yellow, green here. So I had a client who felt a lot of protective mechanisms, even with like touching of the outer thighs. Right. And so

I am all about the baby step and the baby step backwards. Like let's go 5% safer, 5% safer, 5% safer. So for her, like touching her outside thighs was a red. I was like, okay, what's 5% more yellow. And she's like, well, maybe like touching two inches lower. I'm like, okay, what's 5% more yellow? And then she's like, okay, maybe touching like the top of my thighs above my knees. And, you know, we got to this place where I was like, is this comfortable for you to stay at? And she tried it and she's like, no, it's still not. And so I was like, okay, what if we just visualized, what if we just visualized in your brain, you know, we had a guided meditation that that brought her into a nervous system space of safety right so we

talked about you know how your cells change so we reminded her of what what's pleasurable right focusing on connection focusing on joy putting music that you like putting essential oil that smells good um giving yourself a hand massage before you do this visualization right how can we prioritize pleasure before this activity so you're in a space of pleasure and then close your and just without doing any type of touch in real life, visualize your hands on your thighs, hold that. Can we breathe here? Okay, do we need to make it 5% less yellow

with the visualization? Okay, are we going down to your knees and then coming back up to your thighs? So it's fluid, it's a process. Every person is different, but we have to meet you where you are and move forward with baby steps. And I love the green, yellow, red

because it gives such a beautiful vocabulary to communicate with me and also your partner too right that's feeling a little bit red yellow today like let's let's do something that's on the green list right absolutely absolutely and and it and you've you've kind of alluded to this but how context is going to play right your your brain and these protective systems the protective buffer is a dynamic buffer it's not just okay it's here and it's just staying here and i'm using my hands to kind of show like here's the stop and here's the stop at a very narrow window moment right there you go thank you a vogue moment here right but that but but that dynamic that protective buffer is dynamic and always changing

based on context and so who's doing the touching when they're doing the touching and you've mentioned this rose like if i'm if i'm touching here what how about when they're just touching they're more in control how can you be in more control right yeah the green yellow red light activity gives agency and empowers someone to be able to clearly as you're saying rose be clear and communicate what's safe what's exploratory what we can explore and what's really just off limits at the moment yeah yeah and it's always it's dynamic and let's talk about power and control because that's a huge part of safety too let's go into it I oftentimes will play with power dynamics with couples as well so it's like I have another client who she has been on this journey

with pain for quite some time and her feedback for me was I feel very vulnerable I feel like I'm the only one who has the problem in this relationship I'm the only one who's doing this work and I was like well why don't we make this more of a communal situation and the way that the perfect recipe for them which is this is all individual and and this is something that is dynamic but um for her we used uh it's called sensate focus which is I know Susie you know about this but it's it's all about you know there's one giver one receiver and and kind of playing with that dynamic we set up before she ever did any work on her um desensitization for herself she would use her little vibrating dilator um which just looks like a bullet vibe for anyone listening who is not

a pelvic pt um she would use it on her partner any anywhere on his body that he was comfortable with and so he was the receiver first and so she got to feel empowered she got to feel like she was in control and then they would switch and then she would give directions and say okay stop go this is where you're going to go this is when you're going to stop so she was still in control and in power and it's a very different dynamic than them going into the bedroom hurling down getting undressed and him doing whatever with a dilator right that is awesome again what a i love these examples real life examples of ways that folks are modeling communication flexibility vulnerability and navigating these spaces and and you being there the guide the coach the

rumble strips on the highway right they're the drivers but you're you're just you know they're putting in where they want to go right and and you're just saying like hey i'm i'm here to help you stay in your lane and still help you get to that destination when you're feeling tired when you're feeling like the drive has just taken a toll on you when you need a break like those those that's really the role right of a coach intimacy coach sex coach health coach counselor like all of those and even a clinician you know practitioner who offers that space for someone to recognize that we need to address you as a whole person because you as a whole person are multifaceted yeah absolutely so that's beautiful thank you so much for sharing that because i think people

will really resonate with those examples and relate to them i know i do i know i do yeah so So tell us about, speaking of practitioners and health providers, et cetera, great segue into how do you find your, your sexy dream team? Yeah, I love it. So we have talked a lot about collaboration because I think it's so beautiful to build your team. And I think a lot of the time navigating the medical system can just feel like this system of lily pads.

And there's just like a lot of water in the middle where you're like, I don't know if I'm going to make the leap here. Like, and I think that finding a collaborative team can expand the lily pad and also finding someone who has like a more holistic approach can expand the lily pad. So, you know, this is something that I really believe deeply in. We all have such unique experiences professionally, personally, and you're going to get a different flavor from every individual. And, you know, we've talked about this, Susie, I will have people who I'm working with oftentimes work through your DIY course, because even though you and I have very similar like values, we're very aligned in how we treat, you say things slightly differently. And I say

things slightly differently. And if you hear two talking heads saying the same thing, you're like, oh man, when Susie talked about the rumble strips, then I got it. You know, I appreciate you. I appreciate you plugging the pelvic pain program. I really do. Thank you. Yeah, I love it because it's such a beautiful way to get that, expand that lily pad, get that ongoing support, right? And that's the same reason why when somebody is working with me and I'm doing intimacy and sex coaching with them, I oftentimes am getting a pelvic floor PT in person to say, hey, what are the pelvic floor muscles looking like? what what's the tissue looking like how are desensitization activities going hands-on and I'm getting an EMDR therapist on board for any trauma or any past experience that people want to dive more deeply into because as a coach I really my my I stay in my lane right I say where do you want to go let me give you practical easy baby steps to get you there we're going to take

you from where you are and move you forward. And if there is, there's stuff that's holding you back, let's get other practitioners on board. Let's talk about it. And, and having that communication with trusted providers, you know, you and I can have a conversation of, Hey, um, so-and-so gave me permission to talk to you about this. What do you think about their, uh, progression so far hands-on? What do you think about their progression so far in coaching? What do you think their progression so far in therapy and as a naturopath, right? There's hormone specialists, there's all these different pieces to the pie that we can build together. But I think that we need to commit to talking to each other as providers and commit to this collaboration as someone who

navigates the system. Agreed, agreed. And then that's a paradigm shift, Rose. Like I hear what you're saying, because that's something that is, I'm also passionate about without saying, let's put our egos down and let's realize that again our biology and a human being us we are complex individuals you know our experiences are so unique uh they're they're we how could we possibly think in a very simplistic way to say it's a linear process to getting well or to to whatever it is the concern that you're having like it is not that straightforward in fact it's very much far from being linear. It is a ecosystem approach. And in order to address all of those prongs or all of those parts, you need to have a team. You need to recognize that you have to

approach it from that holistic, integrative perspective. And us as providers need to be the ones to say, hey, listen, what you're going through is really, really challenging and you're it's overwhelming and I can hear you are frustrated let's support you from all of these angles because I can't do it alone and you shouldn't expect to have to take all of that on your own as well let's make the journey a little easier let's have people on your team to to take some of the load off of your in your backpack to share that load to so that you can thrive not just survive right rose like thrive yeah absolutely it takes a village it takes a village and you know i i really believe in this strongly and and i think that so much beauty comes out of collaboration

because you get little nuggets from each other and and it changes the way you show up as a as a practitioner too right absolutely does for me all the time yeah it brings in humility I don't know everything yeah nor should you you're a human being nobody does but we're humans together yeah and and all of us have our our strengths and all of us are have our unique vulnerabilities but we come together in a space to be able to share that humanity and I think that's really the message that we're driving home is you don't have to do this alone and let's let's connect with folks who are going to offer that space and support and guidance through a difficult time right um speaking of um support and resources

a little birdie told me that you have a freebie you want to share with our listeners i do i do yes let's talk about this freebie rose yeah so it's it goes really well with this conversation of okay how do i get started here like what are my next best steps how do i kind of like, it breaks down the four steps that I usually use with my private clients to get them from, you know, just really not wanting to go to Arizona to like knowing where you want to go, you know, building that pleasure practice, overcoming barriers, and really just setting yourself up for support. So that's, that's on my website, bewellwithrose.com. And I'll make sure that suzy has a link to it too absolutely we will definitely share rose's freebie and um it's called

fun fearless pleasure guide for easy steps to deepen intimacy this is yummy y'all this is amazing and you don't want to miss this really generous uh resourceful um guide it's amazing i love it i love it and we so appreciate you sharing that with with all of us today and and rose how else can folks connect with you? Yeah, absolutely. So I'm on Instagram, bewellwithrose. I can also email me bewellwithrose at gmail.com. I think oftentimes people just don't even know where to begin on this journey sometimes. And I always tell people, you know, even if you don't know if I'm the right person, just reach out because I have this amazing network of providers that I can refer you to, that are trusted, that are vetted, and we're going to get you to the right place,

even if it's not me. And I just want anyone who's listening to this, if any of this resonated with you, I want you to know you're not alone. I talk to people all day long who are experiencing the same things you're experiencing and we can make it better. We can make your life more pleasure filled and connected and easy. so uh what a positive kind note to end on rose thank you so so much for the work that you do we as as a as a world are so lucky to have you um thank you thank you so much and thank you for

being on the show today yes thank you i always love an excuse to talk with you so same here I have that I have to say yeah same here so much fun I know we really do and and hopefully you know our listeners and viewers had as just as much fun with us thank you so much for being with us and until next time my friends in loving wellness for your pelvis this is Dr. Susie Thanks for listening to today's episode Be sure to head on over to drcg.com where you can get more information, show notes and related articles on today's topic

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