Inside Conan: An Important Hollywood Podcast - Andrew Weinberg

Episode Date: November 20, 2020

Writer Andrew Weinberg (Late Night with Conan, Co-creator of Eagleheart) talks with writers Mike Sweeney and Jessie Gaskell about meeting his wife (who is also in-studio) while interning for Late Nigh...t with Conan, some of the characters he’s played on Conan including Chewbacca Stuck in a Glory Hole, being one of the go to experts on finding clips for the Walker, Texas Ranger lever, and co-creating Eagleheart which parodies Walker, Texas Ranger. Got a question for Inside Conan? Call our voicemail: (323) 209-5303 and e-mail us at insideconanpod@gmail.com For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 And now it's time for Inside Conan, an important Hollywood podcast. Hi, and welcome once again to Inside Conan, an important Hollywood podcast. Wow. We're going to leave that in. That's never happened before. We are your hosts. I'm Jesse Gaskell. I'm Mike Sweeney.
Starting point is 00:00:32 And we're both writers on The Conan Show at TBS. Yes, currently, but not for long. There's a big announcement yesterday. Yeah, there's actual news for us to report this week. I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:00:47 The Conan show is going to wrap up in June of next year, 2021. And then in 2022, he's launching a brand new show on HBO Max. It's once a week instead of nightly. So a lot of the headlines sort of were tilting toward conan leaving late night right which is sort of true but also things are just going on to streaming which is you can watch technically anytime but people watch late night anytime anyway yeah no i know he was just like well i'm making this next move yeah and also with streaming like nightly shows don't work on streaming. Right. And so because they've tried that. It can't be topical. Yeah. Yeah. So the consensus was, okay, everyone's going to streaming. And so if I go as well, but made me realize how hard it is to when the public knows that you might be out of a job. Because I was getting texts all day yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Right. Like sympathy, just extended family who, what does this mean for you? And just saw the big news. Wow, you must be upset. Nothing is settled other than there's going to be a new show. Yeah. And which, I mean,
Starting point is 00:02:10 and I had only found out about it the night before the announcement came out. So there wasn't, I didn't have additional information. I found out about it two days before it came out. So I guess I win, but yeah, no,
Starting point is 00:02:23 it was big sudden news for everyone on the staff as well. Yeah. And then it's just weird to see that all play out in national headlines. Obviously, the last big time that happened was, you know, the Tonight Show. And then when it was announced,
Starting point is 00:02:37 okay, Conan landed at TBS. Yeah, one of the writers, Todd Levin, said his dad texted him, any leads, any leads? I mean, we just never escape that, I think, with our parents. They're always going to be worried. I'm sure all our parents are still like, when are they going to come to their senses and go get that graduate degree? Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:03 You can move home for a while if you have to. Right, right, right, exactly. You can move home for a while if you have to. Right, right, right, right. But, you know, maybe our new horizons to be explored, and we'll let everybody know as soon as we have more information, because we don't know any more than what has gone out there already. Everything that's been reported is basically the latest news in its entirety right now. Yeah. latest news in its entirety right now so yeah conan had that funny quote uh in the press release about johnny carson back in when i first started out in 93 johnny carson gave me some great advice get to streaming as fast as you can i that's a funny quote but you know what i i read i comment online someone's like johnny didn't say that, buddy. Ah, yay. Ah, you slew. Oh, I love it. A truther.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I know. Well, let's get into our interview this week. Yes. This interview was from pre-COVID. Yes. It's been sitting in the bank. Right. We just knew we needed to have some money in the bank.
Starting point is 00:04:03 This was it. Yes. And it's one of my favorite people, Andrew Weinberg, who is a writer on Late Night. When he eventually left, he went off to create the show Eagleheart with another Conan writer, Michael Komen. Yeah. We didn't just interview Andrew Weinberg. We also interviewed his wife, Jossie, who also has a Conan connection. But we'll let them tell you all about it.
Starting point is 00:04:28 In their own words. Okay, hello. Hi, Jossie. Hi, Swede. How are you? Good. We are here today with a very special guest. Two guests.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Two guests. Yes. We're almost outnumbered very special guest. Two guests. Yes. We're almost outnumbered. Rarely. It's two against two in a battle royale. Chicken fight. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:55 We're being very ambitious today. We have Andrew Weinberg. Hello. Oh, looking at me means saying something. Not really. I just like looking into your dreamy eyes. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Andrew is a very successful
Starting point is 00:05:07 writer and he started out his writing career on late... He's laughing. He started out on late night. And also here with him is his wife, Jossie. Hello. Hi. You kept your maiden name, right? Feinstein? I did. Okay. Jossie Feinstein. Smart move.
Starting point is 00:05:24 She's always ready. She was thinking long term. That's right. It's great to have Jossie here, too. It is great. Because you guys met at Late Night with Conan O'Brien. Yeah. That's true.
Starting point is 00:05:35 So why don't you tell us? Late Night love story. Yes, yes. It didn't end in a lawsuit. Oh. Oh, well. We'll start with Andrew. How did you come to Late Night?
Starting point is 00:05:46 So I graduated college in 1998, and I had no idea what I wanted to do, but I liked TV. What was your major? Industrial and labor relations. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Yeah. That's right. One of the most tedious.
Starting point is 00:06:04 It sounds like it would be fun, but why? Does it? Wait, how? Man, that's right. One of the most tedious. It sounds like it would be fun, but why? Does it? Wait, how? Just because it involves people. You could say anything involves people. Well, that's true. I think you'd be hard-pressed to put a more boring combination. Yeah, what do you do with that?
Starting point is 00:06:20 It's one of the most boring subjects. It's like labor law, collective bargaining. I should say I've been involved in two labor strikes and have been of no help whatsoever to anyone. Did you ever volunteer your legal knowledge? Yeah, were you a WTA captain or anything? No, no, no. Okay. I would not be of any help.
Starting point is 00:06:41 I barely graduated. In fact, my eighth semester, I failed a two-credit intro to computing class, which was like learning how to use Excel and stuff. I failed that. So I wasn't going to graduate. They let me walk, as they say, and pick up an empty envelope. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then I took a class at Rutgers after graduation. Oh, and anyone can pass at Rutgers.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Yes. Oh, so you really literally had to go make up that one class. It was a different class, but I needed, you know, two more credits. Wow. And then you had to find a job that required absolutely no computing skills. Right. Yeah, or labor no computing skills. Right. Yeah. Or labor-related skills.
Starting point is 00:07:31 So my mother worked in daytime TV. Ah. You knew this. Yeah, I don't remember anything. You have to pretend that everything's very interesting and you're hearing it for the first time. I haven't talked about your mother since, I don't know, 2001 probably. Wait, I can call her. Is she in L.A.? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Let's get the whole family down here. Oh, boy. I'll swap us. But do you remember, I must have told you this, that when you called my parents' house where I was living. In New Jersey. In New Jersey to offer me the job. My mom was like sick and she answered the phone and I guess was so delirious. She like didn't tell me you called or something. She thought she was getting offered a job.
Starting point is 00:08:16 She wanted the job, right. She showed up on Monday. So that's good Jewish mothering. Okay, so she works in TV. So when I was just sitting at home doing nothing, she was like, why don't you get an internship at a TV show? They don't care about your GPA. Yeah, it's true. It's totally true.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I was waiting for you to go, oh, man, you know, I loved Late Night with Conan O'Brien. It was my passion. And it's your boy. She's sick of you being at home. She's just like, I got to get him out of the house. They're both true. I got to get him out of the house. They're both true. I gotta get him out of the house. They both, both forces collided.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Oh, I'm not going to put those words in your mouth. I like it much better. I had not thought of getting an internship, but it was my favorite show. Interesting. I only wanted an internship. Really? Yes. Oh, Josh.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Well, so wait, were there other internships then that you almost got? No, she said, my mom was like, what is. This was your only option. She was like, what show, if you could get an internship on a TV show, where do you want to go? And I said, Conan, because it was my favorite show. And so I called information and got the NBC switchboard. They patched me through to old Ronnie Mata. He was our desk guy.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Receptionist. Right. And he hired interns. Yes. And so he said they were hiring interns. I went in. I met with Hallie Safran and Teresa O'Neill. Yes, I remember.
Starting point is 00:09:47 They were the researchers. I got the job as a research assistant because I could be there five days a week. So you were a research intern. Sounds exciting. It was fun because what I did was looked up articles on the upcoming guests and then I kind of went through them and gave them to the researchers who would look through them more and give them to the segment producers but I got to do like real-ish stuff okay you remember um buried in the back pages
Starting point is 00:10:18 yeah that was that was a desk piece where uh there was a headline on the newspaper that was ostensibly made funny by a second headline on the back of the best. So the one I remember is the front headline was NASA reports record high tides. And then the back was Pavarotti goes hang gliding. Oh, man. If a writer hears this and wants to claim that joke, I'd love to know who wrote it. Anyway. But you verify.
Starting point is 00:11:04 So Groff liked to have actual copy under the headlines in case it was up for a long time. Yeah. And people read it. It's a was up for a long time. Yeah. And people read it. It's a little Easter egg for. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to write those. Oh. That's great.
Starting point is 00:11:10 And then there was the famous Lewinsky interview with Barbara Walters, right? It was Barbara Walters. I think. So I stayed late and I transcribed that. So I got to do things like that, that he was appreciative of. And then he said I could make a submission. Oh, that's interesting. That's where I was going with this.
Starting point is 00:11:34 But so he saw something. He saw potential in you, I guess. I guess that I was capable of doing something. I don't know that he thought I was funny. I tried not to be funny, as I still do now. No, I remembered I didn't want to be like, I'm going to be the funny intern and get noticed. No, that's not a good strategy.
Starting point is 00:11:55 It never goes well. No. And so, Jossie, you were an intern as well. Yes. So because I'm not very smart, my parents had to pay like an Ivy, or not an Ivy League, but like a middle range liberal arts college to take me. And then I went abroad and I went abroad with Andy Richter's sister, Katie. Oh. Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:19 So when I went to NYU, her and I were friends and she talked to him. And yeah. She sent him a page. Yeah, so when I met Ron Mata I was like in. Yeah. Wow, what an in. Andy's sister, that's better than knowing Andy. She wields much more power.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Then I had to introduce myself to Andy and be like, by the way, I used your name. I was in Brussels with your sister. Central and South America. Oh, cool. Let's see. Whoa, you really did. I retained a lot.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Peru, Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay. Wow. So you broke the ice with Andy by showing him photos of your trip to Chile and Argentina. Not at all. No. We were just friends. You mean Andy Richter or me? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:15 No, you. Which is funny. I'm sorry, Andrew. Yeah, I figured you were looking at him. How did you break the ice with Andy Richter? That's another podcast. Yeah, we were friends. How did you break the ice with Andy Richter? That's another podcast Yeah, we were friends Without benefits
Starting point is 00:13:31 Straight up He didn't even have a cell phone No, I only I only was there two days a week Yeah, this is pre-cell phone I think I had an Earthlink email. Pre-cell phone. It's a miracle you two met.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Yeah. I know. Without emojis? We met in person. Well, there were only a few thousand humans on the planet. And you're related to most of them. Yeah. And each other.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Yeah. So weird. Our tribes got along. Yeah. Our tribes got along. Yeah, so we were friends. And then I asked her to go to my sister's birthday party with me. And that was our first date. Classic move. Sibling birthday party.
Starting point is 00:14:18 And sheer laziness. Here we are. Were you guys, I don't, were you dating out in the open or was it like – Oh, yeah. Back then, who cared, right? No. Actually, I was very like, I don't want jokes about us like humping on the conference room table, which we never did because you guys ate there. We did.
Starting point is 00:14:38 We ate dinner there every night. We never – but like I was very – I don't know. I just – I don't think anyone would have given, cared. No one was looking at us. I remember though, I remember you did tell me that when you told Andy Richter, he was like disappointed. It was me and not someone else. Not Lonnie. He goes, you're not, oh, I thought you were dating Lonnie.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Oh, Lonnie. Yeah. That's right. Was Lonnie an intern? Yes. He was with us. And Lonnie was on 30 Rock. Yes. Yes. I forget his character's name. Oh, Lonnie. Yeah. That's right. Was Lonnie an intern? Yes, with us. And Lonnie was on 30 Rock. Yes.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Yes. I forget his character's name. Oh, yeah. Josh, I want to say. I don't know. He's one of the writers. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Yes. And Rowie was an intern. Oh, and Rowie. Oh, yeah, Rowie. Rowie, who was music director on the show at the end. Yes. So then you became a writer. I think Groff asked you to submit
Starting point is 00:15:25 Yes And then Jonathan Groff left He hired me The interview with Conan was with him Okay So wait, I don't know Did you hire me? I think I officially hired you
Starting point is 00:15:38 But he had just Jonathan had just left He had forced it on you No, no, no I took over You got grandfathered I was like, yeah. And he had a small group of people he really liked, and he really liked you a lot.
Starting point is 00:15:50 And you had the funniest submission. Oh. So it was pretty straightforward. Oh. Pretty straightforward. It was. Yeah. No, that was amazing.
Starting point is 00:16:00 So you started as a writer in the fall of 2000. Yes, right after some Olympics, the 2000 Summer Olympics. Ah, okay. And is this the only time that's ever worked out that way, where an intern became a writer? The only other writer who was an intern was Andy Blitz. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, and then I drove out to your house in New Jersey, because your mother wouldn't give you the message.
Starting point is 00:16:22 And offered you the job. Yes. She just wanted you to stay home with her forever. Who knows? I don't want to get into what. Do you have like a favorite memory of late night and a least favorite? Favorite thing you did or wrote? Do you remember when I was an intern and we went to Newark
Starting point is 00:16:41 to do a night central time zone countdown. With Brian McCann. Yes, running like naked in the street. You were an intern then? Yeah, I like drove you out there. Oh, cool. So let's see. So your favorite time was before you were a writer.
Starting point is 00:16:58 Yeah, it was downhill from there. Once you were a writer. You were on the show quite a bit. Not like real. I wasn't I was not a performer by any stretch I would like
Starting point is 00:17:08 if I if there was something I didn't consider real acting and I could get money for doing it I would do it
Starting point is 00:17:16 but like really almost anything with lines I'd be like no I can't even be like just the guy who says like hey
Starting point is 00:17:24 watch it well that's not true I don't that be like just the guy who says like, hey, watch it. Well, that's not true. That sounded pretty natural to me. You played Paris Hilton and you had to say it. And Britney Spears. And Anna Nicole. Was I Paris? I guess. Probably.
Starting point is 00:17:37 That was just because. You were typecast. You did a lot of drag. He's one of my likes. He's very different like. No, it was because Anna Nicole had that show. Right. You sure you didn't like? No, it was because Anna Nicole had that show. And the first episode premiered. And the next day, I asked if anyone had watched it.
Starting point is 00:17:50 And no one had. So I had to do an impression of her. And then. You were immediately cast. Yes. I didn't mind doing that. It looked great. No, I think you did enjoy being in heels.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Because you did have great legs. I mean, you probably still do. One of my favorite memories is being raised to the rafters as the Brokaw impersonator. Oh, do you remember that? Yes. You do a good Tom Brokaw. I do. That's true, Mike.
Starting point is 00:18:32 That wasn't it. No, of course not. I was just being polite. Oh, God. It was not that deep. You'll only do that for money. Yeah, exactly. That was like that deep. You'll only do that for money. Yeah, exactly. So you're very wise not to try that out.
Starting point is 00:18:46 That was like the low res, free sample. So Brokaw was standing down. He retired. Yeah, retired. And so the bit was that the office was retiring their resident Brokaw impersonator. And so we flew out the Foy brothers. The Foy brothers. The Foy brothers who, they travel all over the world.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Their whole job is rigging for people who get hoisted up. Like in harnesses and wires. Like on Broadway, like Peter Pan. So they're the only, they have the market corner. They call like the verb of doing that is like foying. Yes. Flew them out from Vegas. Right. Just imagine like at least an hour of them setting up wires and stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I get in it in rehearsal. They hoist me up. I say like, so long, everybody. Again, not the actual. Yeah, again. That was better. Not the actual. Impression. Again, not the actual. Yeah, again. That was better. Not the actual. And so I'm way up high and like Conan and Jeff and Mike and everyone's looking up at me.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And immediately like, all right, what else is there? And then like they just quiet. No, I stayed there. No, but Conan moved on. Yeah, moved on. What else can we rehearse? Yes, that's not going to happen. What else is there?
Starting point is 00:20:03 And I'm just left dangling. And you knew you were cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not going to happen. What else is there? And I'm just left dangling. And you knew you were cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the foys had already left. Yeah. So then they finally let me down. So the foys only bring you up. They don't actually.
Starting point is 00:20:13 It's a different group. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those are the Corbett brothers. They're notoriously bad at lowering people. It's a real union game. Yeah. You were up there a long time. It was great.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Like the whole rehearsal. I love that you're like rattling off all this stuff. You're like, there was this other time. Well, no, I was going to say all my favorite memories were abject failures. Yes. Well, those are the best. I remember Conan literally prolonging rehearsal just to keep you up there. And you're like, I think you started clearing your voice. I used to love the exaggerated crossing off of beats on the rehearsal list.
Starting point is 00:20:51 And how he just jokes about making a rut in the desk from all his crossing out. Yeah, we'd have a rehearsal sheet on Conan's desk. So it'd be like, oh, these are the five different pieces we're rehearsing. So yeah, he would just rehearse. Rip through the paper. And just reach for a pencil methodically. desk so it'd be like oh these are the five different pieces we're rehearsing so yeah he would just rip through the paper and just reach for a pencil methodically and spend five minutes going through the one line oh it's fun and you're sitting you're right the writers right there was doing. And you're sitting, you're right, the writer's right there. I was doing it for you.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Oh, of course. For your benefit. Oh, yeah. What else? Oh, when I had the idea that, so based on the phrase March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb. Right. So I was like checking in and like on March 15th, like on the progress. And so they unveiled this like mutant lion lamb thing.
Starting point is 00:21:53 And I made like Deb Shaw and all them like do so much work. Like, no, still not perfect. With prosthetics. Yeah, just like, yeah, it was probably really expensive. And then, yeah, curtains open, nope. And then just dumpster time immediately. At least you didn't raise it up to the rafters. I remembered a character you played that was one of my favorite characters.
Starting point is 00:22:23 It was Chewbacca stuck in a glory hole. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, it's a classic. Which side of it did we see? You see his. That would be great if it was just the hairy phallus. But no, you got to see.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Just his feet underneath. Damn it, that's even better. Yeah, it was just me. Hey, don't be modest. Damn it. That's even better. Yeah, it was just me. It was, they had a like. Hey, don't be modest. Just me. All of the, no one else. I carried that show. They had a, you know, stall metal wall on one of the wheelie through things, platforms.
Starting point is 00:23:04 And you're banging away trying to get out. These platforms. Someone, like, invented this kind of platform to be towed through a studio. And we couldn't say glory. Really? We'd have a fight every time. Oh.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Wait. With the network? Oh, my God. So it was beeped. Hole was fine. You can't say glory hole? Maybe now you can. This was a different world.
Starting point is 00:23:28 You have to understand. That's homophobic. Yes, glory holes were looked down on back then. Now they're praised in public schools. Now they're all different heights for your convenience. There's one in both genders of bathrooms. Both genders. All gender has money.
Starting point is 00:23:50 You don't want to hype discriminate, so everyone can use one now. Well, I always remember one thing I felt bad about was you and another writer, Michael Komen, right from the start were the guys who had to screen Walker, Texas Ranger to find clips for the Walker, Texas Ranger lever. And, you know, the first few times it's like, oh my God, you're probably like, we get out of the writers meeting. We just get to watch a really bad television show. Maybe you find the clip early on, but then you just keep watching. Oh, that would be smart.
Starting point is 00:24:25 After a while. All the clips came in, but then you just keep watching. Oh, that would be smart. After a while. All the clips came in the first 90 seconds of each episode. It was an endless, it was like a fruit tree that just kept, every time you shook it, more unbelievable. And I remember we did it a long time, and you two were the experts. Yeah, you tried to farm it out. No one else had the touch. How did that come about, that piece? I remember I had watched a few walkers.
Starting point is 00:24:53 It was on TV. It was a primetime show on CBS, and I remember watching it one Friday night and being stunned at how... Stunning show. I thought it looked like it was an import from Eastern Europe somewhere. It was so awful
Starting point is 00:25:10 in the best ways possible. And then a few months later, they announced that I think the USA Network, which was owned by NBC, was going to show them. So the initial thought... So that was the pretext. Yeah, I just thought O'Connor could announce NBC was going to show them. So yeah, that the initial,
Starting point is 00:25:25 that was the pretext. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought, Oh, Conan could announce walk, but Texas Ranger. And then was it your idea? Comins.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Oh, Comins to show clips, clips. Yeah. And then, and then Conan said, let's add the, the lever visual.
Starting point is 00:25:38 And someone else had the idea to make me also watch clips. You're welcome. But there were some great ones. Oh, boy. But then after a couple, like it went on past a year, and then you guys would come to me and go, knock it off. Like you were going to, you wanted to quit. It was just like, please stop it.
Starting point is 00:26:02 I was like, okay, never, never. And then we'd have a vacation. Like, we'd have time off. And the whole time Conan was off from work, people would be like, oh, more Walker. We need more Walker. It's the only thing they complimented him on. Yeah. So he'd come in Monday and be like, oh, we need more Walker clips.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah. And then I'd have to go to you guys. And you're like, fuck you. There aren't any. But then there were. And the best one of all was, I remember being, towards the end of us doing it. The AIDS one. The AIDS one.
Starting point is 00:26:34 The Haley Joel one. With Haley Joel Osment. Saying, Walker told me I have AIDS. Like, wait. You don't even hear it from your doctor from your physician and walker oh it is a classic yeah wow that's online yes well i mean imagine if we hadn't gotten to that i don't know i don't i hate to think about the world we'd be living in. Right. Guy who stops digging for gold. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:07 And the gold is like another centimeter. It really would be a different world. You're so right. Yeah. Then all the actors from that show were going to sue because we were in pain, the residuals. Sure. And Jeff Ross was like, we can't do them anymore. We're going to get sued. And everyone's like, please do them anymore we're going to get sued
Starting point is 00:27:25 and Cohen's like please it would be so great to get sued over that and he goes plus they'd have to prove that they're actors which I have visual proof to refute that we need to see scripts but we stopped
Starting point is 00:27:40 but the results of that all that work you did is you and that Michael Komen guy created your own show. Yes. Called Eagle Heart. Eagle Heart. Yeah. It started out as a kind of a parody.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Yeah. Well, it was like. Walker, Texas Ranger. It was like Larry Sanders with a Walker show, where you'd see like a minute of this fake show, and then the rest of it was behind the scenes with the real Chuck Norris guy. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Yeah, and Adult Swim bought it and we shot that pilot and they were like, yeah, we just want the fake show. Don't want any of the actual premise that we bought. They didn't switch. Yeah. And Chris Elliott Made in Switch. Yeah. And Chris Elliott starred in it. Yeah. It's a really funny show.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Thank you. You're welcome. It was funny. I did want to ask, yeah, Jossie, what did you go on to do after your Conan internship? Many mistakes. Marriage. Yeah. I can't even begin.
Starting point is 00:28:42 No, I went into like the talk show world and then I went into like TLC food network. Then I had kids. Now I'm dabbling in like writing. Well, I mean, I'm writing and I use a camera. Not on my cell phone. Do you two ever collaborate on anything? We did once. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:05 As you can tell. It feels like you've just met. You're meeting here on this podcast. I mean, yeah, we collaborated on three kids. Yeah. Cut that. You left Conan right after the Tonight Show. Yes, because we shot the Eagle Heart pilot during the Tonight Show.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Right. And then adults went. Oh, so you had a safety raft. Yeah, that was weird. You're the one who pulled the plug on the Tonight Show because you knew you had Eagle Heart. No, that came from way up top. NBC brass. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:45 We actually, we do need to wrap up. We always like to ask our guests if there's one piece of advice you'd give to someone who wants to do what you do. I feel like it's changed now. Like what I did wouldn't get, like now you have to be like.
Starting point is 00:30:00 You mean calling information? Yeah, internship then being like, hey, can I make a submission? Yes, you can. Yeah, even that, even interns being able to make submissions, they stopped doing that. All submissions had to come through an agent. So, yeah, like interns would ask for advice. And I'd be like, well, now you have to get your submission has to come through an agent.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And I honestly don't know how you get an agent without first having a job. Right. I mean, there are probably exceptions. That's how I try to keep the next generation out of the business. No, but I'm in the midst of getting a manager to represent me for writing. And, like, I swear I had to sell her on why a 43-year-old is just as good as a 23-year-old. Better in many ways. And split my pants, and it was awful.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Yeah. I guess a lot of kids think they should get into, like, study, like, communications or writing or filmmaking. I guess my advice would be to just learn things and to have like a point of view on things. Like you don't need to know how like the broadcast business model works. No one knows. Where do you learn that? Probably in like communications. I took communications through college and my master's.
Starting point is 00:31:26 I took a comm 101 and that's where I learned that. I probably missed that class. That broadcasters are in the business of selling an audience to advertisers. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Probably better to not worry too much about that when you're putting a submission together. Don't study industrial labor relations.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Right. That's not going to help you. But it worked out for you. Yeah. It worked out. But I wish I had just studied like history or English or something. Just learn about the world. Learn about things.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah. Things that then make you think about other things. And that's – You heard it here first. Yeah. That's right so the key is the key is things
Starting point is 00:32:06 things is key yeah no that is good advice is yeah I think so too like you always hear about people want to be
Starting point is 00:32:13 directors or or go into and you know it's like oh I have to go to film school and it's
Starting point is 00:32:19 a lot of successful people who do that are like no just have a broad general education. Yeah. And you can learn all that
Starting point is 00:32:28 stuff after you're out of school. Well, yeah. When you're actually writing something, you don't want it to just be about the process of writing. Right. It should be about other things that are relatable. Don't write about writing. No. No. Or filmmaking. Yes. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:32:43 At least if you want me to watch it. Well, thank you guys for coming in. Thanks, guys. Or filmmaking. Don't do that. At least if you want me to watch it. Well, thank you guys for coming in. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. And that was our interview with Andrew Weinberg and Jossie. Thank you, Andrew and Jossie. Yes, recorded back in ancient times, February 2020. Yes, prehistoric.
Starting point is 00:33:07 So, you know, before the interview, we were talking about the big news this week and how Conan's going to be starting a new show on HBO Max. And we'll be winding up the show on TBS without returning to our old studio at Warner Brothers. Yeah. And we abandoned Warner Brothers in March the way everyone abandoned their workplace. We did, but we just left. I almost, I want to go back to see it because it probably looks like we were raptured or something.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Like we just left kettles on the stove. I mean, it was like we just left and we all thought we were going to be gone for a couple of weeks. I feel like Jordan's been there the whole time, Jordan Schlansky. But other than that, and he's probably taken over the entire floor. Yeah, he's filled the whole studio with tchotchkes.
Starting point is 00:33:56 That is weird because we were talking about how we all thought, oh, we'll be gone a few weeks, but we'll be back by April. Yeah, people left their plants. Yeah. Someone said they went and that there was milk in the fridge from March. Oh, really? Yeah. And there were, you know, bags of chips that were like half open and then clipped with a chip clip.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Ten interns, they forgot to tell they could go home. Oh, yeah. They've been there the whole time. Oh, boy. But, yeah, I'm going to miss being a part of the lot because I think that that's a really cool feeling to, I don't know, just it's like, this is where television is made. That was a really cool place to go every day just because it had such a storied history. Yeah. It's a water towers. It's the beginning of the Animaniacs. And just like there's a plaque on each, like we were in stage 15.
Starting point is 00:34:45 There's a plaque of every movie and television show that was shot there since 1929 or 27. So it'll be like ER was here. Yeah. Yeah. Casablanca and The Old Man and the Sea and just incredible. The Goonies. Holy cow. I buried the lead.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Was that in our studio? Now I can't remember. Was that in our studio? It was, actually. Well, a lot of them, you'll see something like the Goonies or Casablanca on three or four plaques. And I guess they would just maybe spread the sets around. I guess it varied from film to film. We'd drive through the gate that you'd see at the end of Blazing Saddles where they crash into a studio. That's the entrance to Warner Brothers. You know, it's just very Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Yeah, it's always the studio you see when there's like a breaking the fourth wall moment in a movie. Hell Caesar was shot there. The Pink Floyd cover. Wish you were here. That's for all you older listeners. The Gilmore Girls. I mean, the list goes on and on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Oh, I'm going to miss it. Yep. I'm going to miss it too. It was great. All right. That's our episode for this week. We love to hear from you, our listeners. So if you have questions for us about what our future holds, we can't answer them.
Starting point is 00:36:03 But if you have questions about anything else, you can email us at insideconanpod at gmail.com. Or you can leave us a voicemail, 323-209-5303. So thank you all for listening. Thank you. See you next week. Bye. We like you.
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