Inside Conan: An Important Hollywood Podcast - Sarah Silverman Revisits Loss, Her First Late Night Appearance in 1993, and Lighting The Human Centipede Menorah

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

Comedian Sarah Silverman joins Mike and Jessie to discuss her early days on SNL, appearing on CONAN as Hitler, and lighting the Human Centipede menorah.Got a question for Inside Conan? Call our voicemail: [phone] or e-mail us at [e-mail]. 

And now, it's time for Inside Conan, an important Hollywood podcast. Hi, and welcome back to Inside Conan, an important Hollywood podcast. I'm here with my co-host, Mike Sweeney. Hi, good afternoon. Or whatever time you're listening to this. You don't know when they're listening. You can't see them. I have no idea.

Maybe he can see you. I'm Jesse Gaskell, by the way. We are former writers on The Conan Show. Current friends. Yes, friends and co-strikers. Yes. There's a strike going on. The strike is still happening.

How's your strike going? It's going. There's just no... It's limbo. There's no updates. There's just a lot of, I wonder what's going to happen and when. A lot of speculation.

My parents are starting to ask when I'm going to look for another job. They want me to work at Trader Joe's. It's finally time for you to give up. Something with some job security. This foolish dream. You gave it a good run, Jess. My parents asked me that even when there wasn't a strike. Yeah. My mother was like that even when there wasn't a strike. Yeah.

My mother was like, why are you doing this? They ask you that for the first five years. And then they ask you that, I think, every 15 years after that. My mother never stopped. When I did stand-up, my mother was like, why are you doing stand-up? You should be a writer. And then I became a writer. And she's like, why are you writing?

You should be doing standup. She was just giving you material. She knew you needed it. Yeah, yeah. She just, whatever I did, she wasn't really a big fan of. I would, you know, I have to, hats off to her good taste.

So- Well, hey, speaking of funny writers and standups- Yes. People can do both sometimes. Ah, why didn't I tell my mother that? Speaking of both- Well, we're talking to one today, yes. Yeah, oh, good.

I'm going to listen and learn. We're joined by Emmy-winning comedian, writer, actor, producer, and of course, longtime friend of the show, Sarah Silverman. Yes. Sarah was in so many funny bits on the show, starting in 1993 with her first appearance on Late Night as a stand-up comic. And then she just kept returning for many other funny characters and bits. Yeah. And it amazes me she's on a 93 because I'm dying to find out whether this was her first time on a late night show.

And we'll find out when we talk to her. Yeah, so here's Sarah Silverman. Hi, Mike Sweeney. Hi, Sarah. Love of my life, fire of my loins. Please. Yeah, you two go way back, don't you? No.

We started, Mike Sweeney is the king, was, sorry. Right, past tense, right. I didn't mean was. For like three days. No. And then they're like, time for a new king. When I started out, he was the emcee at the cellar, like back when the emcee was the best comic on the show.

Back when the Cellar meant something. I know, but like. When there were eight, you know, Swedish people in the crowd. There's like the comics, all the comics come in to see. Like he would MC at the Cellar and all the comics would come in to watch him just MC. Comics, comics. Because they wanted to be introduced. Very much so.

Very much so. I think we have to go in because he's going to say her name. And his green converse and his jeans with the hole in the back pocket. Come on. Classic. Right?

Come on, ladies. Green converse. Everyone had a crush. I've never seen you. Yes. Is that true? Yes. No one told me!

Some of the guys, too. I'm sure, like, a Larry Amorose. Yeah. He never stepped up to the plate. Is he the one? Yeah. I don't think it was Mario Cantone, and I hate to be like, the gay comics of those that were out at that time.

But one of them had that thing where they were at Catch, you know this story? I don't know. And actually, but one of them had that, they were at their catch. You know this story? I don't know. And I don't know who he said it to. Like, in my mind, I'd just make it Nick DiPaolo because that would be the best.

Or maybe like John Manfredi, just like a super like, you know, like, you know, whatever, like Alfie. Yeah. And he goes, if you guess what's in,

this is legend. I know it wasn't there. Oh, I know. I don't know this story. I don't know this story. if you guess what's in, this is legend. I know it wasn't there. I don't know this story. I don't know. Oh, he goes, if you guess what's in my hand, I'll blow you. And he goes, an elephant. And he goes, yeah.

That's great. I would have said a mosquito. I hope you followed through. Yeah. Let's swing this around back to me. Oh, believe me. Thank you. Okay, we have a seasoned podcaster in our studio. Longtime friend of the show.

Hilarious. I thought I was looking into the camera, but it was a speaker. That might be a camera too. Talented in that you've been writing music. You've been writing lyrics. Yeah. You're a hilarious comedian. You're a great actress. You've been writing lyrics. Yeah. You're a hilarious comedian.

You're a great actress. You've been doing stand-up since birth, basically. And I happen to know an incredible softball player. That's right. Which I don't... I didn't know that.

Yes, you don't get out there. That doesn't get out there enough about you. So I thought I'd get it out. I don't know if I still can, but I just... Oh, no, I think you're great. And people should try to recruit you for their teams. I did play for if I still can, but I just... Oh, no, I think you're great, and people should try to recruit you for their teams. I did play for the state of

New Hampshire. What? Wait, is that true? Yeah. That I did not know. Well, in high school. Okay. I thought the state government was like, you know, let's have our own team. So you played in high school for the state championships? Yeah, like, yeah.

You always say, matter of factly. It's a small state. It is. But it's still really cool. But it's a very softball competitive state. I could see that. I like it.

She will not take shit from you. In New England, it's hard to tell the lesbians from non-lesbians because everyone drives Subarus and Saabs and Volvos. Wears flannel.

And all the women play sports. That's tough for men, you know. It is hard. You might have to ask them a question. It is hard. That is time consuming. You might have to engage. Exactly.

Thank you. Finally, some understanding. I knew you two would be the two to do it. This has been very LGBTQAI++. I don't want to say friendly, but like content-y. Yeah, yeah. That's what we aim for here. Well, thank you for doing our podcast.

Yes. This is great. It's exciting to see Swinky Doodle. Well, and I was going to say, you two were part of the stand-up scene back when you had probably just started performing, Sarah. Yeah. You started at age 17, is that right? I mean, the first time I did stand-up was in Boston when I was 17. I was at summer school at Boston University and I went up at Stitches.

And then I finished high school and then I moved to New York. And I started when I was really like 19. I'm curious. Good story. No, that's when I met you. You were 19. That's right.

I was like, wow, you're allowed to do this when you're that young? That's fantastic. But did any part of you think, oh, maybe I'll try stand up in Boston? Or what made you go, I want to go right to New York? Because you were going to school down in New York? Yeah, I got into NYU and I went there for a year. All right. So did you know Adam Sandler growing up? No, you didn't meet him until-

I didn't. He was my sister Laura's age, so they knew each other when we lived in Manchester. Okay, got it. Manchester. And then you were pals when you were just starting out in New York at NYU or? I really didn't meet him until he, until Saturday Night Live really.

Oh wow, okay. But our families were friends. Yeah, yeah. He told us, he told a story at Largo. I brought him up at Largo one night a few years ago. And he opened with a story about me when I was little that his mother tells. And it's just so crazy to be so old and hear a story about when you were little that you've never heard.

Yeah, there's still stuff out there. Yeah, his mother was my nursery school teacher. Oh, cute. That's crazy. I love that he sat in that. He's been playing the long game. I know I'll be in Largo in, you know, 2022. No, no, he couldn't believe I had never heard it.

He goes, oh, that's like the story my mother always tells about you. I was like, I had no idea. It's great. You're a legend in their house. I don't know that, but I mean, you know, she's got a little story. From when you were in nursery school? Yeah,

yeah. She was scolding a little kid, you know, just who used a bad word or something. And I must have been, you know,

listening in. And then I, she said, I like dipped in and went, those are at home words. You already had rules for comedy at that point. You can go blue, but only under these circumstances.

Not during playtime. Yeah. And then you, so your first appearance on Late Night with Conan O'Brien was in 1993. Oh my gosh. Which was like the very first year that the show was on the air. That's 30 years ago. It was 30 years ago. Yes.

Almost. Not quite. 20, 29 and change. That's how I look at it. But yeah, he was just, it was the fall of when he went on the air and you were,

you were on. Oh, you're right. He did stand up. Yeah. Yeah. That's, was that the first time you did stand up on TV or on a late night show?

For, not on TV, but on a late night show. Yeah. Because I had done like comics trip live and evening at the improv. Yeah. And, and then, yeah, that was so, that was my first and only year at Saturday Night Live was Conan's first year. So, of course, I went on like I was a new featured performer. So I was on his show. Right.

It was all the synergy. And I remember the first appearance. It wasn't as relaxed as like Conan, like really made my career because that was the first time I ever was recognized or anything on the street. It was just because he would have me on all the time. And he would let me do stand-up that wasn't stand-up. Like he'd let me sit on the couch and set me up for jokes. And it just was so, it was such a winning, it was such a break to get to do it that way. Yeah.

Well, because a lot of your jokes are really conversational. Right. And they come from you. So I could see how on the couch would work is kind of perfect because that doesn't work great for all comedians. A lot of them,

it's a giant adjustment about, oh, then I have to make it. Yeah, because they just have a monologue that they can't convert into a conversation. Yeah. And it was just worked so well. It was so awesome. And yeah,

I didn't realize how like, and I got so comfortable. I would like try, you know, try new things. Wow. Jokes. Yeah.

You know, and stuff. So it's just, I felt like home-ish feeling, you know. Because that's a whole different, I mean, obviously from standup where it's just,

there's a crowd, but it's just you. Now you're adding this extra. But maybe in a way that almost kind of made it easy because you have someone else who's helping pick up any slack or just keeping the ball up in the air. Well, it keeps, like, I feel like it keeps, everyone's expectations are lower because you're not watching a standup set. You're just watching like a conversation and you see like big celebrities just have like conversations.

They're not. So I had so much in my back pocket because it was basically standup that it set me up to win so well, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. That's so, at that time you were on SNL and you were doing all these late night appearances.

And then you were also, I'm assuming, doing a lot of standup sets because you were trying out this material. That's just, I'm stunned by how much you were doing at this time. It's a lot. I had a lot more energy. I have way less energy.

It's a lot of staying up late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Being on SNL, I would be like. Oh, my God. The schedule. Well, when I started working in Conan, I stopped doing stand-up.

Right. Because we were there until after midnight, like five nights, four nights. Yeah, of course. So I just all of a sudden stopped giving. I initially kept putting in schedules for spots, and I had to keep canceling them. Oh, yeah. So I just. But also, I did the in, kept putting in schedules for spots and I had to keep canceling them. Oh yeah. So I just, but also I did the warmup for Conan. So I'm like, well, that's your standup. That's better than nothing. But yeah. But no, I just, the hours are crazy. So I don't know how you were still doing that. Well, SNL has time off. Yeah. I think I just

did it on like time off and stuff. Yeah. Wow. SNL sounds- Brutal. It sounds so scary. I know. I think I would just be like, after the third day, like, thank you very much for the opportunity. And can I keep this NBC pass? Not for me. I'm on my way.

Well, yeah. Like right at the beginning, I started getting panic attacks that I had not. And I like to the point of, you know, a real panic attack where I was like, I'm going to quit the show and move home to New Hampshire and live with my parents. Like that's what I wanted to do. Everyone thinks about moving in with your parents when they work in a cell. No, but I've heard of other people we know working there, tough guys just like going, oh no, I was going home and crying. Right. If I had time. Those stories, I was just like, oh my God, okay.

You're crying. I had kind of a good time and I got along with everybody. Certainly there was a different time in terms of being a woman. Right. That was the heyday. Yeah. But, um, that was the heyday. Yeah. That was when America was great.

You know, like you needed a key to use the women's room. You had to have a key. Wow. Because the, the men couldn't be trusted to not come in and assault you. Oh my God. But it's, I think it's a much better place now.

And I still had a great time now it's now it's three locks yeah uh yeah were you also when you were on SNL were you

pitching stuff for yourself there too I mean because you know there's some people that are writer writers and performers

right I was a writer and a feature performer so obviously like everything I wrote I put a little something in, you know, but I didn't get anything on. One sketch I got on, I was so excited and like you get to direct it,

you know, it was with John Malkovich and Mike Myers, because the whole thing was like, if you write for Mike Myers, you know, you should write for Mike Myers because nobody else does. Like he's a big star. And it was so good.

It was like a backstage, whatever. You know, it was most of what I wrote was really, really terrible, but this was pretty good. And then, but no one tells you how things go. So like how things work. So I was so excited and then I kind of got to direct it and then we did it in dress and then we're sitting on Lauren's floor getting notes

and I've already called everyone I know, like I've got a schedule. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sitting on the floor and John Malkovich is sitting in a chair and he looks down

and he goes, I'm so sorry, I messed up a line or this or that and I was like, oh my God, don't worry about it. You're amazing.

You'll be great. You're John Malkovich. Yeah, you'll get it live and and then Mike Myers goes Sarah look at the board it's cut it's on the left side of the blah blah blah like nobody takes you through and tells you the system you just learn like that you know and I was like you know and there weren't cell phones or anything like I couldn't tell my friends like actually it was cut. Yeah. Oh. So the next morning did you just say, yeah, you missed it, I guess.

You didn't see it. No, I don't know. I haven't kind of figured. I like that Mike Myers that'd be great if that was his job there to like yell at people when their bits are cut.

It's cut! He snapped at me but he probably was frustrated that no one told me how things work, you know? But it's just like you're kind of thrown in to learn to swim. You're thrown in to... That's kind of the norm.

Yeah, I mean, that was how Conan was, too. I tried to help. Well, yeah, it's like you can't even... There's no, like, binder of how the job works or, like, HR comes and walks you through everything. It's just like. I think someone tried to make that up and I just crumbled it up and threw it away.

You were at Conan then, right? No help for anyone. I was at Conan, no, not till 95, early 95. Oh, why was that starting at Live? It was 93, 94. And we wrote our sketches on legal pads and then gave it to a room of lady typists.

Oh my gosh. Yes, there was a stenographer's room. Oh my God. That's amazing. Like computers existed, but not there yet, you know. I've never heard of that. So they typed it on typewriters?

Just a room of ladies. Wow. And they were all probably like, oh, I'd love to be able to write for a show. But instead I'm just transcribing. I technically am. My first day I was like paired with all the like Harvard kids that were also 22.

Right. And like, oh, go around. And we ate at the cafeteria and we walked around. And we hung out the whole day. And at the end of the day they thought I was a typist. They just assumed I was a typist.

Oh my God. Did they hand you their scripts? It's so odd that it didn't occur to them that I was. Why would they have a typist

spend the day with them? It was very mad men a little bit. Yeah. You know, I Men a little bit. Yeah. You know, I think Conan had a reaction to the, I guess because maybe he went to Harvard and that whole conception that all late night writers went to Ivy League schools. It bothers him? Well, none of the writers on late night, except for one, I think went to Harvard.

Because I think Conan is an exception. There's always exceptions, but it's like the Harvard writers, for every Conan, just like funny to the core in his bones, there are like 50 dudes and lady dudes who just learned learned like the comedy math. Right. They just, they're smart and they learned comedy like they learn math. Yes.

Totally. And they find incredible success with it, obviously. Yeah. It's the way to go. Yeah. I mean,

that's what we try to There's merit to it, but it's, you know, it isn't the same. Yeah. I mean, and in your case,

you know, it wasn't, this is Yeah. I mean, and in your case, you know, it wasn't, this is one of those rare careers where having a college degree doesn't necessarily get you anywhere and sometimes even hold you back. Because yeah, you could have been out there performing. Well, this guy's went to law school.

Yeah. You're pointing to me. I would like the record to reflect. Yeah. No, as a trial lawyer for three years. But like knowledge and information does inform good comedy as well. No, I felt like law school really fucked me up. Like while, like, cause they, they make you write a certain way.

And I was like, this isn't, this is damaging. I felt law school damaged me in a lot of ways because you're told how to write something as part sort of a formula and well it's very shortened to they're turning you into a lawyer which is the worst it's not a creative experience yeah yeah not a creative job um you know unless you like to lie a lot, then you can be creative. But no, it's just, but you know, I, and I never- There's a performance element to it though. I never, not one part of me ever wanted to do it.

And that's why I only committed six years to it. Wait, what, is your, are your parents lawyers? No, no, my mother, you know, I was kind of a little Stockholm syndrome-y in some ways with my mother, who I lived with. And she kind of taught. She's like, well, you need a degree. And I was like, okay. And I just, I didn't move out.

You did what she said. I didn't move out until I was 26. So I kind of was living this alternate life. And then when I moved out, I immediately started doing stand-up at night and was a lawyer during the day. And then when I was making $50 a week for my illegal sublet, I had that covered. I had no money saved. I just quit. And so it was something I never wanted to do.

So that's why I almost didn't want to tell people because it wasn't me. But it was great for dating because if I went out with someone— Yes, a stable lawyer. But when I was doing stand-up and I'd go on a date, I'd be like, well, I'm like, oh, you're a lawyer. And I'm like, yeah, but I hate it. And I want to be a standup comic and I'm working on that. And they'd be like, oh, that's great. And then 10 minutes later, they'd be like, I just can't believe you'd give up the law.

And I'd be like- Oh, that was your way of- That was it. I was like, I'm out of here. This is great. We'll sleep together a few times, but then I am done. There is no long-term relationship. They were all mothering you.

Right, right, right. Oh, my God. So, yeah, I was out of that business. Very interesting. But there were a lot of ex-lawyers who were comics. There are. Yeah. I think that was a very common thing for people who didn't know what to do after college.

Well, yes. They're like, I guess I could have lost. Which is pathetic. But I still think there's, like Sarah was saying, there's a math to comedy too. And I think that there's

a little bit of a similar braindeadness that happens with lawyers and comedy writers. I don't have evidence for this, but just because I think there's a lot of comedy writers that also are like, oh, maybe I could be a lawyer if this ever dries up. Like, that's my sort of fallback.

It's like, oh, maybe I'll go to law school. Right, right, right. If things don't work out. If things don't work out, you could probably. I'm going to rev up that degree. The real reason I'm here is to see if either of you need a new will. Because I will do it for you on the side. Can you legally do that?

Because I do need a will, actually. I need to refresh my will. My will's old. You have one, though? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good. Let's talk about it after.

Just let's step away from this. I need at least just something written down. I want to be composted. I'm happy to work with both of you. My dad did too. Really? Yeah, but we didn't. We incinerated him because we bought a plus one for my stepmother.

Yeah. Sorry, that's... No, this is... I know this happened recently. Both of my parents died within nine days last month. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Thank you. I appreciate it.

In some ways, that's the way to do it. It's true. Like I remember my dad going, like, I don't want to live without Janice. And I was like, dad, statistically, you won't. I didn't know it really happened. And this isn't the time to say I told you so. But anyway, it's all very sad.

But there was a funny point. I can't remember what it is oh composting yeah I want to hear about it well my dad was like I want to I actually made a video

anyway it doesn't matter but he was like I just want to get thrown in nude into the into the earth and make the trees grow

and then he started singing that like the worms crawling the worms crawling, the worms crawling, the worms play pinochle on your snout. I don't know that song. I love that song instantly. Pinochle on your snout.

Your dad was singing that. He was. It sounds like he was a little titillating too. It was a pretty great death. Janice's before that was not, but it was, but it was,

she wanted like a coffin with like a bell, you know, she went the other way, like, you know, just in case she wasn't dead, like a little string that rang a bell. Oh,

anyway, but so we had to, what's it called when you burn? Cremated. Well, he was like, oh dad, we're going to, we've got to cremate you because the deal we got on Janice's burial plot so you could be buried together. Yeah. He wanted to be buried with her.

So there's like a plus one at the Jewish cemetery where we buried her. And then like a little while later, they dig like three feet. Yeah. And put his thing in so they're like together. They get to be missionary style. Yeah. Forever. That's sweet. I mean, assuming he's facing. Well, yeah.

She might be spooning him, I guess. It's every style. He's just all scrambled. The worms are missionary style. Everyone's missionary. Yeah. You brought up the worms, not me. That was really cold and insensitive.

No, we were literally singing it with him on his deathbed. Oh, wow. And by the way, he watched all of Beef on his deathbed. We watched the first episode together. I went home to sleep and I came back the next morning and I go, hey, you want to watch

episode two of Beef? He goes I binged it. Oh my god. I can't believe you watched Beef without me on your deathbed. That should have been

their Emmy ad campaign. So good you'll spend your last 90 hours binging it. Yeah. Oh too bad

you didn't get that word out for me. I know for your consideration, Ed. What, um. Yes. Can you really do our wills? In New York State? You can?

I think technically, but you can't, I can't get paid. Oh, that's even better. Yeah, that's great. I'm retired. Yeah. Let's take it. Let's go to New York. You do our wills. Okay. even better. Yeah, that's great. I'm retired. Yeah. Let's take it. Let's go to New York. Yeah.

You do our wills. Okay. For free. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll pay to go to fly you to New York if you do my will. Okay. Yeah.

This sounds like win-win. And then like in our will, we'll leave like a recoup for your, like the cost of the flight. That's right. And a little more. You leave. I don't know if that's legal. I mean, a little more. Something to the lawyer wrote the will,

but I'm not making money otherwise. If you outlive me, you can have anything you want. Oh, yeah. If I outlive you, something's gone terribly, terribly wrong. Yeah, we're all going to die. We're going to die. That is 100% a fact. We're going to have more diarrhea.

I mean, I think that's the theme of the show. Yeah. I mean, what are the chances all five of us are going to die peacefully in our sleep and not suffer? Zero. Yeah. That's true. Close to zero. Yeah.

Some hopefully will, maybe more than normal, but not all of us. Do you want like a dramatic death? I would like a quick death. Yeah. Yeah, a quick painless death. Yeah. Like hit by a bus or... You want to get hit by a bus.

I mean, that's only painless if you die instantly. That's true. If you don't die instantly, it's incredibly painful, I would guess. The problem is like if you get hit by a bus, which is like, oh, cool. No one's going to... They're going to feel like, oh, we can't tell people how she died. Really? Would that piss you off?

Oh, because that's embarrassing? Yeah, or something like that. Wait, what? I don't know. Oh, see, I think there's way more embarrassing deaths. Well, getting hit by a bus sounds somewhat embarrassing. Okay. What's not like slipping in the shower?

Slipping in the shower is bad. I guess skydiving is cooler sounding. Skydiving. Or getting eaten by a shark. Eaten by a shark. Oh, I just, I swim in the ocean on Friday mornings. Did you see a shark? No, it was canceled today.

And you know why? Because it's shark week? No, there's a algae bloom in Santa Monica Bay. But they said that's not harmful to people. Okay. But seals are eating fish that have ingested the bloom. And it's making seals insane. And the seals are attacking swimmers.

What? It makes them psychedelic? It makes them think they're sharks. And they're attacking swimmers. Oh, crazy. It makes them think they're sharks? Well, they swimmers. Oh, crazy. It makes them think they're sharks? Well, they're attacking swimmers. That's all I know.

But I haven't seen this in the news anywhere. Do they have sharp teeth? Yeah, they have teeth. They're like always ripping things apart. They just seem gummy. I don't know. No, no. And they're massive animals.

Yeah. And they're, but, and then I, it's not in the news anywhere. And they probably wouldn't kill you, so you'd just be bleeding out. But I feel like the seal lobby is keep suppressing this story because, you know, they're cute and cuddly. They're out there attacking swimmers and no one's talking about it. That's true. And I know the three listeners of this podcast, I want to warn them about death, diarrhea, and- I love that there's like a drug in the ocean that seals take and make them like, like roid them up.

Yeah, like they're probably- They're juicing, basically. They're probably eating more fish than ever just to get this high and then go after swimmers. Yeah, maybe they love it. Yeah. They're hooking out. You know what I heard once that is the greatest fun fact? Yeah.

Elephants, I don't know if this is true, but this is what I heard once that is the greatest fun fact? Yeah. Elephants. I don't know if this is true, but this is what I heard. We're going to believe it either way. Elephants see people the way people see dogs. Like, they're like, oh, my God. Really? Yeah. Oh, I hope that's true.

They think we're so cute. Is that true? Oh, I love that. But then we go up and shoot them. Well, just Don Jr. Just for their tusks. Ah. Tusks.

My mic fell out. Well, my favorite elephant videos are ones where, like, elephants that were in circuses, and the circus keeper, like, kind of wasn't nice to the elephant. Yeah. And they wait for— They get revenge. This one elephant waited for an opportunity where it was free.

And like the bad guy was across the ring. There's an outdoor circus and it broke free. Nailed this guy from like, he was like 80 yards away, just ran him down. Oh my God. And trampled. Elephant revenge videos.

I think so. Mike, this is a video? What are you watching? Faces of death? The animal version. Yeah, no, that was like 20 years ago. Do you also like when people who own chimpanzees get mauled? Their faces get ripped off?

Yeah. I don't, well, I never knew that about chimps. Like baby chimps, you have to get rid of chimps while they're babies. Because when they're adults, they're incredibly strong. They'll rip off your testicles. Yes. I've never heard that. And rip off your face.

And they can rip your fingers off the entire digit. I don't think ripping testicles off, ripping a face off is impressive. Testicles, I feel like. You could do that. They're already like a weight on a pendulum. I feel like you would pull though and it would just be like taffy. Like it would never break off.

That's true. I know. They're like, we're all women and we're like grabbing our crutches. I know. Wow. Okay. I don't even know where we go from here i'm let's talk about conan and my appearances oh yes speaking of death yeah career death um so yeah so then throughout the 90s i it seems like you just came back all the time to do stuff. Yeah. Do you

have any memories of bits you did during that time? Oh my gosh, the like Tommy Blotcha, John Glazer years. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the robot having diarrhea and it just sounds like coins.

Robot on the toilet, not diarrhea or you wouldn't hear the coins, right? Oh, those were solids? They were solids. It's funny. You think the coins are like just myriad solids. Yes, exactly. What is diarrhea but a thousand

solids? Sure. This is a philosophical question. I mean, really? Speaking of diarrhea, and I'm going to jump ahead. Yes, please. They always get mad at me. I always want to speak about diarrhea. No, it's always supposed to do it chronologically, and then you went ahead, and then we're still in the 90s.

But I watched your special, which was great. But you said something that— Speaking of diarrhea, I was watching your special. There was a lot of diarrhea in the special. I just want to talk about your special, which I watched last night. Yes, we do have a special. Oh, shit. You're right, you're right.

I loved your special. I loved it, too. It is so smart, and it's so jammed with jokes, and they're just great jokes. I loved it. It was hilarious. I did, too. I know, and I feel like I've been laugh constipated for a while. Like, I've been watching funny shows, and I'm like, I know that this is funny, and I'm

enjoying it, but I'm not laughing out loud, and I laughed out been watching funny shows and I'm like, I know that this is funny and I'm enjoying it, but I'm not laughing out loud and I laughed out loud so much and I was like, I'm cured. It's, it's like, it makes me so happy.

Oh, it's really fun. It was the prunes for my, my laughter soul. Like how, I just, how long did it take you to accumulate all those

and each one was just, just they're all so well worked out and keep going. And the whole show was seamless. And I'm just marveling at the crafts. I hate to talk about the craftsmanship of it, but it's very impressive. I just don't, I can't even imagine. That's amazing to hear because it was so ragtag. Really? It felt that way to you?

Well, I did like a pilot for HBO and they folded in a special in the contract. And that was before the, not that I wouldn't want to do it. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. But so it was before the pandemic and then like three years of pandemic

and like not doing standup barely. And like, and then going back to it and then Nina Rosenstein from there, she's like, it's time. You know, I'll go, oh shit, let's see what I got. No, she's awesome. Yeah, she's great. And so I did everything I had that I liked

and timed it and I had 36 minutes. So I went on the road, and by the end of that tour, I had to record it. So I had to write on the road, which I never usually... I've only done four specials, but I never usually do that. I usually have it. And it was cool, though. It was more active. You know, it was being more active on tour. And not just like traveling, sleeping, shows, travels.

And yeah, it came together, you know, because it had to. Right. So I guess like I think a lot of comics do that because they go, well, it has to happen. So it will happen. And it really does. But I had never really done it. Wow. That's really impressive yeah because it did feel like

there were moments of things where I was like okay I feel like this is something that she found while she was performing this yeah definitely

and there are a couple things that I would have loved more months on to figure out or to cut and replace with other things like it oh that's funny

but it just this is you only you know that yeah of. But it just, this is... Only you know that. Yeah, of course. Watching it, it's the exact opposite. It just seems really polished. Yeah, cohesive. Yeah, that's funny.

Of course, you know, whenever you hear anything you do, you do yourself. The song was like only just the first two lines because I've been trying to teach myself piano. And Todd, last time Todd was here, I go, I have two lines because I've been trying to teach myself piano. And Todd, last time Todd was here, I go, I have two lines of a song

and I sang it. And he's like, you should make that into a song for your special. And I was like, yeah. But then I did. That's great.

So I did. Thank you, Todd. Thank you, Todd Berry. And I love how you pulled a Marvel movie credits thing. Like at the end of the credits. Oh my God, you saw. Yeah, there's a little clip of you

playing it which I loved and then you just that was the first gig in DC and my my manager had just recorded it

so it was like yeah Amy Amy's V so the editor found it and was like we could put this

at the end you put it there that's great that's fun it's fun when the editor care, like is like, ooh, what about this? Yeah, yeah.

It was really fun working with him. And it's a fun surprise for you where you're just like, yes, that's great. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, congrats. I mean, it was, it was an amazing special. Thank you so much. It's on Max. Very funny. It is on Max. Sarah Sullivan,

someone you love. It just came out. Just came out at the end of May. So it's fresh, new and exciting. Yeah, I'm glad you fulfilled your contract. Yeah,

no, I mean, I was thrilled to do it. It's not that, but I, yeah, I was like, probably would have never,

I never think to do it. It's nice to be forced. It's like, you have to have a deadline to do things. Yes, I needed that. Yeah. And like,

there's a little scene at the beginning was like, two days before we shot, I was like, there should be something that bookends, you know, to connect the like bad breath. Right, right, right. Oh, because you had already recorded the song. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, it'd be if it kind of just has some sort of.

It worked. That's great. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was cool. It's very smart. And my niece, Colleen, was the nanny in the. Oh, it was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was cool. And my niece, Colleen, was the nanny. Oh, that's funny.

Oh, yeah. That line is very funny. Yeah, I know. I was like, wait, are these her kids? Right, right, right. A lot has happened. What is our producer, John Skidmore? Oh, really?

Yeah. Oh, funny. In the headset. The grown person. Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to talk about the aughts. You had a lot of really funny appearances that... I love this.

She's staying on track because she's a goddamn professional. She is great. We had... I mean, this one killed me, but it's very popular online. You brought your phone and took a photo of Conan's thin lips and tongue and turned it into your vagina. That's right. That was so fun because when iPhones came out, I realized I could do that. And then I remembered it when I was going on.

So I was like, oh, this is perfect. It's perfect for a couch fit. And it's like, shows a vagina ostensibly. Right. But it's just Conan's mouth. You took a photo of Conan's mouth. It's not dirty. But they still, they pixelated it.

They still pixelated it. So I took a picture of his mouth. That's the patriarchy. And then I turned it sideways and put it in front of my crotch and it looked just like a, well, not my vagina, but a very thin Irish vagina. Yes, a very

uptight vagina. Oh, you picked the right lips for that. Yeah, but as soon as it went between my legs, it was pixelated. I was so mad, but it still was funny. I was in the studio and it was, I remember it to this day. It was one of the greatest visuals.

It was fantastic. And even with the pixelation, they did a good enough job pixelating it that you can still see the sort of outline. Yeah. And you see it before it goes between my legs, like I think. But I think I yelled out the word vagina. Yeah, because I'm just like, hey, vagina! I can't remember what it is. And then the next day

he was like, watch the show tonight. Oh, yeah. And there was a clip of a woman watching TV, watching it with her baby. And I went, vagina! And this tiny toddler just like turns around and goes, vagina! And then wouldn't stop saying it, I think. That's great.

That was lovely. I wonder if they could put that video, re-release it now without it being pixelated. Like, do you think the standards have changed? Yeah. I mean, now that the show's not on TBS anymore. Oh, right. Why don't we look into that? Yeah, the internet doesn't have standards.

Yeah, why? It's so funny. It doesn't have standards. Well, how about this? It's not a vagina. Right. It's a man's lips. Thank you.

So, like, if I took my top off and over my nipples, I put pasties that were a picture of a man's nipples. That should be fine. Let's do that too. Let's try it right now. The show like the boob meat on TV. It's the nipple that you can't

see. That is obscene. The part that feeds life. And yet that's the part that's the same between the two. You're right. That's always been incomprehensible. the same between the two. Yeah. You're right. That's always been incomprehensible. Do not cross the Oriola line. That's when everything goes south. I don't want to see your nipples that badly.

That's a punchline to one of your jokes. What? Yeah. Really? I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh, my God. It's such a great joke. It probably is like problematic today, but it shouldn't be.

Well, we can cut this out. Please do his joke back to him. You took a date to see, to do the right thing. Yeah. And people in the theater were talking and she goes, tell them to shut up. And he's like, and you're like,

I don't want to see your nipples that badly oh wow i don't remember that you don't remember that joke no oh my gosh that's i know all your i mean oh that's great oh thank you i know all right well maybe hey you know i've got one joke maybe i'll jump back into stand-up hey do you remember do the red thing guys do people still show nipples pretend i'm young enough to go on a date oh my god like the stand-up. Hey, do you remember Do the Red Thing, guys? Do people still show nipples? Pretend I'm young enough to go on a date. Oh, my God.

Like, the stand-ups that have so much... Like, I remember this guy coming into town at the Boston Comedy Club in New York, and he looked like he had long, like,

greasy hair and, like, a dirty trench coat, and he held a long axe, like one of those axes with the long handle, and he goes on stage, and he has a crazy axe, like one of those axes with the long handle. And he goes on stage and he has a crazy look and everyone's like laughing. And then it dies down and he just goes,

how would you like to have me as the next door neighbor? And then he just does like rental car jokes. It's so much for just a little opening. It's so much to travel with the knacks. I know. Well, Conan would always say that. Sometimes guests would come on and go, I think it's really funny, you know, if I come on dressed as, you know, a cop from the 1780s. Or they commit to something.

They come out for that. It's a quick laugh. And then they're out there. And now you're sitting there in costume. It's like, oh yeah, that's a good point. I know. It's hard to take a big swing. But that vagina thing was great.

And you know, now when I make out with Conan, I'm like, yeah, it's hetero. Oh yeah. It's like you're going down on him. I also, I personally loved when you played Hitler on the show. You came out dressed as Hitler because Trump, people were compared. This was before Trump was elected.

This was 2016. Yeah. He was just starting to run. I know. So everyone was stunned, I think, that he was getting traction. Even, yeah, doing well. And they were trying to knock him out. And he was getting compared to Hitler a lot.

And Conan was like, well, you know, we felt like maybe he thought this was a little unfair. So here to defend himself is Adolf Hitler. Which is a great idea. I loved it so much. It was so funny. It was not my, do you know whose idea it was? It was Todd Levin's. Todd Levin.

Oh my God. Yeah. And then they thought of me. You were perfect. I was so happy. He thought of you. You were perfect for yeah. Todd Levin. Oh my God. Yeah. And then they thought of me. You were perfect. I was so happy. He thought of you. He was so happy for it. Todd wrote it. He was like,

I thought Sarah would be great. And I was like, yes, yes, yes. And we were so excited when you said yes. And you, man, I watched it again today. You would never know it was written. Like you're just so great. So natural, yeah. You're so conversational and great.

Well, not only was it written, I was reading off of cards because I couldn't learn it all. That's crazy. It was like the same day. That is crazy because I feel like I'm good at telling when someone, and I was like, wow,

I just thought you would absorb it. It looked improvised, yeah. It looked totally improvised. It was great. Yeah, I'm good at, I can read and act. You know what I mean? I can pretend it's just like,

because I stare off anyway. You know what? I love the way you're just throwing that off, but that's really hard to do. It is. Yeah. I guess I'm amazing. Yes, take a compliment.

You were also a very attractive Hitler, I thought. And I was wondering if that's like a really niche porn area for people with fetishes. That's gotta be. Everything exists. Yeah. If you can think it up, it's on YouPorn. Yeah. Have you ever

checked to see if your image is being used that way? No. No. But I did love playing Hitler. That was really fun. That was Todd Levin. Todd Levin.

Yeah. He's such a great writer. Such a funny. And he's the same guy who came up with the human centipede. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which you also helped out with because we brought it back and it's a classic thing of like, well, you know, Hanukkah is coming up. Let's bring it

back. And then it's like, how do we feel less ashamed about doing the same thing again? Oh, we'll bring out Sarah Silverman to turn on one of the candles. Yay, it's new. It was. I think it's a good tradition anyway. Yeah. And human centipede is evergreen. It is. Someone out there is working on it. We've got to make it a reality. Well, and I just remembered, even as we were talking, I think, didn't we meet Sarah's sister in Jerusalem when we were there with Conan? We did. Wait, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Well, I've talked to both of them about it because she was insane but i totally understand what she was thinking like it's like i got to meet obama once and like the 20 minutes before i was like i'm gonna bring up darth vore and like it all goes out the window and you just go like, hi, whatever. You're the president. Right. And of course, like, no, don't do that. That's not, just have an experience and, you know, but she was like, this is a, you know, this is, we can reach people by, you know, I don't know. But she put way too much pressure on herself and then was just like a lunatic on it.

Totally scared Conan. And now like her, when she remembers that she just wants to die, she's like so embarrassed. You know what? We were there. It wasn't bad at all. It really wasn't. It wasn't bad at all. Well, she's very funny and can be very chill, but she

just like, I need it. Like I wish I could have talked to her beforehand. Just have fun. We'll be more, you know what I mean?, just have fun. We'll be more, like, you know what I mean? Like, just have fun. She's so good on those things,

but she's usually like the rabbi that you call in on the Huffington Post or whatever. Right. We're on the rooftop, right? Yeah,

we were at the Wailing Wall. Yeah. It's very exciting to meet a Silverman there. I know. Yeah, well, she's like part of the

women of the wall. Right, right, right, right. Wow. I know, because I thought,

I was like this is what a coincidence this is crazy no she's like helped change policy yeah wow i mean is that do you give your dad like or your mother who do you give the credit for the fact or maybe you don't give her like but you too just in terms of being very kind of a conscious of issues and trying to change things. Yeah. No, my parents, like my mom, when she, I don't know if I was born or she was pregnant with me or whatever, but she was a photographer for the McGovern campaign. Oh my gosh. We're from New Hampshire.

So like everything comes through our town first. Right. Yes. So like, and it would be like politicians would like stay at your house to like stay at an average american house and like there was a we we worked for a guy named bruce babbitt i'm sure nobody remembers yes yeah and uh he like slept in my sister's room you know like it's like they show that they're like down home people and we we worked for the Jesse Jackson campaign as a family and everything. And of course, like there were no Jews in our town or anything.

And then my English teacher was like, it was after the Hymie Town comment, which is like, we didn't care. Like we still worked for him. Like, you know, whatever. You didn't live in Hymie Town. There are Jews in New York. Right. Who cares? But he goes, well, my family works for Jesse Jackson,

the Rainbow Coalition. Sarah, like points me out, Sarah, I'm sure your family doesn't. Oh, wow. And I was like, well, no, we actually do. But also it's just like, why point me out? And two, if you think he's anti-Semitic, why are you working for him?

Exactly, exactly. But anyway. I'm aligned with Jesse. i don't know about you that's but anyway sorry i digress no no we're talking about your sister yeah um yeah so suzy rabbi suzy yeah and i mean you're all funny too who do you credit for you're all you know being funny both of parents were funny. My mom in a more like subdued, covert way. But she loved performing. Like she was like,

we thought she was famous growing up. Susie said that once and it's so true. We just like, I don't know. When we were little, she just seemed famous.

Oh my God. She was like a housewife in New Hampshire. But not even, she wore like overalls and no bra and two different color socks. But she just was, she had like thiss and no bra and two different color socks. But she just was, she had like this cool confidence, you know, that got chipped away over time.

Of course, because she's a woman in the world. Yeah. And then my dad was just always the funny guy who like all his friends wanted him to make the speeches at the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My dad did like his own ads on the radio. He had a clothing store, Crazy Sophie's Factory Outlet. And he was crazy Donnie.

I have one. Do those exist still somewhere? Yeah. I have one on my phone, but it's a going out of business sale. So he's fake crying the whole time. And I'll just play a couple seconds of it because it's literally

like three minutes long. Like, a radio ad space in New Hampshire must have been a dollar. Let's see if this is... Oh. You can hear him, like,

breathe from his nose. Why is he crying? What are you saying? I heard Oshkosh. He's like, how can anyone understand a single fucking word he said? But you know what he sounds like? The mattress guy, the you're killing me, Larry. Oh, yeah. He should have sued that guy.

I think he stole his shtick. From Crazy Eddie. No, Dad stole it from Crazy Eddie. Yeah, Dad stole it from Crazy Eddie for sure. Okay. He was not an original technically. Crazy Eddie never said hush kush. So he wasn't original.

Oh, I love that. But you just yell. It's like, that's how you get the word out. Were you proud of him? Were you a kid when he would, like, would you hear those ads when you're driving around and go, that's my dad?

Or were you like, oh, dear God. I wouldn't tell my friends. I didn't hear his ads much. But there would be like contests on radio, local radio stations to try to sound like him. Oh, my God. Just like totally illegible. So he's a local celeb. He was a celeb too.

Yeah. And my mom too, because my mother was the other way where she was very, she said like when and where. Oh. And she got, she complained at the local movie theater that she couldn't understand that when she called the recording

to hear the movies, she's like, I couldn't understand a word they were saying. They were like, you want to do it? And she's like, well, I,

okay. She did those recordings. Wait, seriously? I couldn't possibly. So back when you would call the movie theater and she would say, thank you for calling Bedford Mall Cinemas one, seriously? I couldn't possibly. So back when you would call the movie theater and she would say, thank you for calling Bedford Mall Cinemas

one, two, three, and four. We're all bargain matinees. They're only $2 Monday through Saturday. Now playing Annie. Sorry. Albert Finney and Aileen Quinn. Oh, that's great. So she did it every week?

Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. That's fantastic. I didn't know you were a nepo baby. I'm a nepo baby. Changes everything. I love that. She sounds so waspy.

And then your dad's like, for God's sakes, we're going out of business. Annie. Annie. Well, congrats, Sarah. And thank you so much for taking the time to be here. I feel like we didn't really stay on Conan topic.

No, it's okay. It doesn't matter. We pay lip service. He gets enough. Lip service is all you need. We talked about his lips being a vagina. We literally gave him lip service. What more could he want?

Lips are a vagina. I mean, a vagina, first of all, I learned, it's the labia. The labia. The vulva is the outside part

and then the vagina. Oh, I mean vulva. Yeah, but the labia are part of the vulva. The labia is the lips. The clitoris is the epiglottis.

I know, I'm trying to get used to this because my friends who have daughters are like teaching them the anatomical correct terms because we were so used to just like having, and then, you know, also we were afraid of saying vagina for so long. There's still so much shame around it. It's always mirrored by, by standards and practices is like all our fucked up taboos. And like, you could say balls and dick forever and we could say vagina

or pussy. I grew up, my mother was a nurse and my dad was a doctor. So I grew up learning all the Latin terms early and I always felt like that was a safe oasis.

The labia majora. To say vagina. Michael, does your urethra hurt when you urinate? Exactly. Yeah, stop touching your urethra, Michael. Do you Yeah. Stop touching your urethra, Michael.

Do you have a, maybe your mons deferens is blocked? No. What's that? What's the mons pubis? Oh, I think I just conflated two. What's mons deferens? I don't think that exists.

No, that sounds like something. Mans deferens, I think. That is something, though. So I was misremembering that. It's something down there. It's something down in deference, I think. That is something, though. I was misremembering that. It's something down there. It's something down in the nether regions. You're good at sounding smart. Exactly.

And people always catch on eventually. No, I haven't. So here I am. Well, thank you again. Yes, thank you, Sarah. Vagina. This was a pleasure. Everybody, watch Sarah's special.

The end. Thank you to Sarah Silverman for joining us. And just a reminder, Sarah has her own podcast, The Sarah Silverman Podcast. It's a good name. As well as a new comedy special, Sarah Silverman, someone you love, available now on Max.

Max. So check both of those out. And you probably already heard her podcast, but excited for a new comedy special. And a new listener question. Yes. Here it goes. Hi, Jesse and Mike. You've talked a lot about the writing process leading up to things getting cut or making the air.

But I'd love to hear more about what happens for the writers after the show airs. Do you do formal postmortems on how things landed, either with all the writers or in a one-on-one with the head writer, talking about what worked or didn't work and discussing what could have been done differently. I'm really just curious what kind of feedback you get or don't get after the show airs to help you in becoming better writers. Love the pod. Thanks. It's Mike in Brooklyn. Oh, hey, Mike. Mike.

That's a good question. I like this question. I like it a lot. What do you think? What's your experience? Well, I mean, this would have been a great idea for us to have had formal postmortems with the head writer. It would have made the show a lot better. Is it too late for us to still do this? No, no.

Just yell out some bits and we'll talk them down. Well, I mean, so initially the first feedback we'd get would be from the audience, which I think every writer would generally go and stand in the crowd, either backstage or somewhere so that we could hear the reaction to our bit. And so you'd get feedback that way immediately. And usually for me, it was like the silences were deafening. The laughs were fine, but I was only paying attention to what wasn't getting laughs. Of course. And never feeling good about anything.

Because I think when you have a piece on, I think you have your favorite or the bits you think are going to get the biggest laughs. And if that doesn't happen, you're just, oh, it's like a punch in the gut. Right? Basically, anything short of a standing ovation felt underwhelming. You know, I've known people like writers and comedians who are kind of delusional and, or, or in a good way, actually, like they don't really live or die by what the audience reaction is. But then I feel like most of the writer, Conan writers over the years were very tuned into what exactly what you're saying. How did it, how did it go with the audience? And knowing if, I mean, it depends on the piece. There are pieces where you're like, you know what?

This isn't going to do great, but we all love it and we're going to do it. And damn the torpedoes. And then it doesn't matter. And sometimes we don't, we often have, because we'd always have a writer's meeting, usually after the show to talk about the next day's show. And people were generous. It was like, oh, well, the audience was cold tonight or they blame it on the audience.

Well, now you're talking about another level of feedback. So you see how it does with the audience. And then, yes, I always felt like the biggest approval you could get would be if your fellow writers said they liked something. And they would know how to make it genuine because everyone's used to like, oh, yeah, that was great. Which, you know, yeah, sure. But no, yeah, not like mom feedback. Right, exactly. And of course, you know, if Conan loves something, but if the audience

isn't going to go for it, you might worry, oh God, then you're like ready for none of the writers to mention it either. Right, yes. Then you lock yourself in your office. Right. So I kind of felt like there was a natural feedback system that told you whether something did well or not. Well, there was always still, I mean, there were still things we could do even after we had recorded the show taping i mean at that point you could still edit things out right and so sometimes that would happen too is you'd go back down to the edit bay right and you'd you'd tighten it or i don't know that there weren't that many things you could do. No, no, no. A lot of times like something like two thirds of it would do great. And part of it

might lag or, you know, sometimes you make, you're making something topical the day of the show and you barely get it done in time to air. And then when it airs, you're like, oh, you know what? If I had a little more time and now that the audience reacted, if we'd lose that, that and that, it'd work better. And so, yeah, you make those edits in post before it airs. Yeah. And this was for the writing staff, but separately, Conan had a post-mortem for every show with the producers. And I think you were often in that as well, or as the head writer. Yeah, that was like every night after the show, it'd be me and the segment producers and Jeff Ross.

And very rarely, occasionally though, writers would get asked to join that meeting. Usually if they had been part of a remote or something that had done really well, it was kind of like a reward you'd get to be in there for praise. Yes, it was an honor if you got the call to come down. It was like, ooh.

Yes. But it was always for something good. So that was always exciting. Yeah. But what you said was so true that, I mean, in general, there wasn't too much reflection on anything because it was like, well, we already have to look ahead to tomorrow and then the next day and the next week. But I think also all the writers on Conan were very self-aware and very self-regulating in that I think they were their own biggest critics and would analyze how something

did and figure out what they could learn and not learn from it. And also from watching everyone else's pieces. I think it's a constant learning process without having a formal meeting about it. I think you just understood that everyone was watching and always trying to figure out how they could how to get better how to get better which was nice and it wasn't competitive with each other necessarily it was just a matter of oh I want to be the best writer I can and we're just gonna keep working towards that and I It wasn't, I have heard of stories where it's competitive in a douchey way. Whereas I always felt like we were like, yeah, if you made your fellow writers laugh and Conan laugh and Andy, then that to me was-

The highest compliment. Or if you got compliments in rehearsal and something bombed after that, it's like, who cares? Right, right. Because that meant, who cares? Right, right. Because that meant, oh, that meant the most. Yeah, the jury of your peers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was trying to surprise.

Don't you think it's like trying to surprise? So Mike, I think the answer is you're on your own. Well, great question, Mike. Thank you. And we love these questions. That's me eating, feasting on your questions. I've seen you eat. I can verify.

That's exactly. So if you have another question for us, you can always give us a call and leave a voicemail at 323-209-1079 or email us at insideconanpod at gmail.com. And if you like the show, you can support us by rating Inside Conan an important Hollywood podcast on iTunes

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