Inside Conan: An Important Hollywood Podcast - Vir Das, Kent Irwin

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

Comedian Vir Das joins Conan writers Mike Sweeney and Jessie Gaskell to talk about his previous Conan appearance, his evolution of doing stand-up in India to touring in the US, and the best show he did on his last World Tour. Plus, Conan’s cue card guy Kent Irwin joins Mike and Jessie to chat about everything from his uncle inventing cue cards to the band Phish to his relationship with Leonardo DiCaprio.This episode is brought to you by The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Vrbo, and Roman (www.getroman.com/insideconan).Check out Conan Without Borders: Australia: https://teamcoco.com/australiaCheck out Conan25: The Remotes: https://conan25.teamcoco.com/Got a question for Inside Conan? Call our voicemail: [phone] and e-mail us at [e-mail] Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com.

And now, it's time for Inside Conan, an important Hollywood podcast. Da-da-da-da. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Da-da-da. More music after you just heard the opening theme music. Welcome to Inside Conan. Colon, an important Hollywood podcast. My name's Mike Sweeney.

And I'm Jessie Gaskell. And we're writers here at Conan. And every week we join you to talk about things going on here at the Conan Show. Wacky hijinks. Crazy, crazy stuff. Behind the scenes. Celebrity debacles. Nip slips. We've got hijinks. Crazy, crazy stuff. Behind the scenes. Celebrity debacles. Nip slips.

We've got it all. I'm waiting. Wow. This is news to me. I can't wait to hear all this. Nip slips. Oh God, we have to create a nip slip now. We do have a very fun show for you. We have a great show tonight. Tonight? Yeah.

Today. Whenever you're listening to it, it could be night. People only listen at night. We talked to a very famous comic from India, Veerdas. Veerdas. Has a huge following in India. Yeah. He has like 9 million Twitter followers. Yeah. It's insane.

Only three of them are bots. We checked. Yeah. That's like the inverse of Conan's. Yes. Man, he's everywhere now. He's on a new ABC television show. And he actually, on the show, thanked Conan. Yeah, for getting his break in the U.S. Yeah, yeah, which is really nice.

Because now he's doing a big tour of the United States. And he also just finished up a world tour, which we talked to him about. And we find out what his favorite city to perform in in the entire world is. Yeah, I doubt that you can guess. Yeah. And then we also talked to Kent, our cue card guy. Kent Irwin. Who's a fascinating character.

Wow. Yes. I regret I haven't been hanging out more with Kent the past 10 years. I know. I feel like I have a contact tie still. We talked to Kent about everything from his sex life to the band Fish. Fish. To some dabbling in drugs.

A little bit of drugs. Back to the sex life. Back to the sex life. And also his relationship with Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. That sounds like it was related to the sex life, but not. They're friends. Right.

They play backgammon together. Yeah. And he promised to get him on our podcast. Yes, he did. We have it. You'll hear. Anyway, so it's a really fun show. Yep.

And let's get right into it Yeah, we're going to start with our chat with Veer This is Veer Okay, can you help us pronounce your name? It's actually Veer Veer Yes, Das Okay, Veer Das

Yes, there you go Because I was going to say Veer But that's the anglicized way Which is acceptable as well Okay Because most Americans, when they try and say it, they just sound German I your appearance is moments away. Yes. So you're warming up with us. Yes, I am. This might spill over. They'll hold the show, yeah.

The whole show is just a front for a podcast. Exactly. That's what everything's headed toward. Do you get nervous before TV appearances? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think the last time I did the show, I was doing stand-up, but it is pretty much the most nervous, nerve-wracking five minutes I've had in the last, like, ten years.

Oh, no. Our show specifically was? Yeah, because, I mean, I'm, like, I'm from India, so we don't have, you know, and I was, you come from this legacy of if your spot goes well, things open up for you. And if your spot goes badly, everything shuts down for you. It's allegedly what we're told. Like, that's how high the stakes are. Oh, in the United States. Yeah, so on late night TV, your first late night spot.

And then you film the thing, and it's five o'clock in the afternoon, and it doesn't air for six hours. So for six hours, you're just like, am I done? Did it go well? Is my career over? Is your career over? Should I go buy a mansion? Someone push me in a certain direction here. And then you shot me really well, where it was

kind of low angle, and I looked good. And then you shot me really well where it was kind of low angle and I looked good. And then he came over and stood next to me and just ruined all my swag. It looks like Lord of the Rings. I look like his ventriloquist dummy standing next to him. I don't think that's true. Yeah. Conan's the freak show. Yeah, exactly.

He doesn't look like him. He is the freak. Let's make that clear. But so it went well. I mean, that's why the freak show. Yeah, exactly. He doesn't look like an industry. He is the freak. Let's make that clear. But so it went well. I mean, that's why you're here. Again, that's, yeah. Yeah. Do you, so you do stand up.

You're doing stand up this week as well, right? I am, yeah. Or in the United States. I am. I'm at the Moon Tower Festival in Austin tomorrow. Okay. And I'm at the Wilbur in Boston on Friday. Great. Which is the 26th. And then I'm at the Wilbur in Boston on Friday. Great. Which is the 26th and then I'm at the Punchline in Philly

on Saturday and Sunday. So then it's the Punchline. Oh, yes. The first two sound like cool theaters. Yes, absolutely. And then it's the Punchline. Yeah, for all my new shit. Right. Has anyone prepared you for Boston crowds? I've never done a Boston crowd, so no. Are they

tough? Are they? They are tough, right? No, I wouldn't say that. Well, you probably get, I'm guessing when you're traveling around the United States, do you get a lot of people already know you, like specific fans who come to see you? It's changed. Okay. How's it changed?

I've been coming out for like four years. All right. And for the first two years, it was primarily just Indian people, right? Right. It was just clubs and theaters who had never seen that many brown people in the room before. Right, right, right. And disappointed that we don't tip. Right. But now, you know, touch wood, God's been good since the Netflix special and the ABC show.

I'm suddenly getting like 45% American crowds. Oh, that's been good since the Netflix special and the ABC show, I'm suddenly getting like 45% American crowds. Oh, that's great. Which is nice because there's no safety net anymore for the material. Right. You can't do the name drop. You can't do the callback from Indian pop culture. Right, right.

It's kind of nice. You have to work it. Wow. Yeah. How do you feel? I mean, do you feel like there's been an evolution in trying to go from doing stand-up in India to then being at more of an international? Oh, yeah. I mean, look, I started coming out here because to get better at tennis, you have to play tennis with people who are better than you are.

And so that's the only reason I came out here. Because we're such a new market. I've just been doing it 10 years, but properly five years. Chappelle's where he is because that's 30 years in comedy, you know, and even in the clubs in the US, your feature act or your opener has been doing this 20 years, you know, and is an assassin on stage. So to have to follow that guy is the learning experience that I kind of want. Right, right, right.

You know, so yeah. So it's been a big evolution. Yeah, what is it? What is the standup scene like and where you came up? It's big. For Yeah, what is the stand-up scene like? It's big. Where you came up. For Hindi, the world is your oyster. You know, there's 1.3 billion people as your audience. Yeah.

And we're the highest smartphone watching audience in the world. So there are kids who are three years into stand-up getting 2 million views or 3 million views just by virtue of population. Right. You know? And in terms of English, the bar's very high in India because we've only ever seen good English stand-up. We haven't seen shitty English stand-up. Right. Right?

Because the only things that come over are Seinfeld and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart and all of that stuff. But we haven't seen a guide yuck-yucks on a Tuesday night. Right, right, right. You haven't had to sit through an open mic. Exactly. In Burbank. They're coming. So if you say you're an English comic, the bar is high in India.

Are there parts of it, just like Jesse was saying, watch out for Boston. Are there places in India that you're like, oh, I've got to go. I don't want to head up north. They'll throw things at me. Yeah. Is it very regional, the humor there? Yeah. Since it's such a large country.

Well, the north is more like alpha, right? Okay. So you worry about pissing a crowd off in Delhi. Really? I mean, because they will wait for you outside with hockey sticks. Really? So if you're- So Delhi versus Mumbai.

Mumbai is a lot more chill. Mumbai is more chill. More chill. But like Delhi will give you a louder laugh than Mumbai. Mumbai is more chill. But Delhi will give you a louder laugh than Mumbai. If you win them over. If you win them over. But if you annoy a guy, you take down a heckler. There's no heckler takedowns in Delhi because the heckler always wins outside later on in the parking lot. So there's none of that happening.

You quickly move on with your act. So if someone heckles you there, you're just like, good point, sir. I totally agree with you. And I will pay for your parking. No, it's just like half of that happening. You quickly move on with your act. So if someone heckles you there, you're just like, good point, sir. Thank you. Yes. I totally agree with you. And I will pay for your parking. No, it's just like half of your childhood. That never happened.

We'll never talk about it. Right, right. And we'll just move on. Wow. That's good to know. It is. Yeah, because, you know, there's talk about we're trying to figure out, you know, what countries Conan can visit next.

And one of them always coming up is India. Yeah, India comes up a lot. And he just did a stand-up show in Australia when he was shooting a show there. Oh, nice. And we were wondering what it would be like. What do you think if Conan did a stand-up in India? Yeah, would they accept him?

Would they accept him? Or would they say, here's the guy for you. We're going to tattoo him and he'll have to sleep with the chief's daughter and then he's in. No, he's huge over there. I think he has a huge, he underestimates, the two times I've spoken to him, I think he severely underestimates how many people know him and would show up and just show him mad love if he showed up. Oh, wow. And hecklers waiting for him out in the parking lot. Yeah.

We don't have to worry about that. Isn't he like 6'6 or something like that? He's 6'4. Yeah, but he's severely anemic. He has a foot on the tallest heckler in India, so he's fine. Just take him down low. Yeah. He can go down very easily.

Yeah. I'll be out there to show them. Here's how you take Conan down when he comes outside. You know better than anyone. I think he'd be huge if he showed up. Oh, that's great. Oh Conan down when he comes outside. You know better than anyone. I think it'd be huge if he showed up. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's great.

Cool. Yeah. What would be like the musts to visit in India? I mean, it's huge. It's a huge country. Yeah, but look,

the Taj Mahal is fine and the desert is fine. We can green screen that later. Yeah, absolutely. But you want to, you want to eat the food that will affect your stomach for nine months afterwards. You know what I mean?

Nine months is a pretty specific amount of time. No, let's say three months afterwards. Good sales pitch. I shot a special where a lot of the American agents and American directors came down to shoot this thing two years ago. And we did this amazing thing where we took them out just to street food places in Delhi. And they were like, well, take us where Indians eat. And I was like, are you sure?

And they were like, absolutely. And we took them out and we gave them the best food of their life and then put them on a 15-hour flight back home. You made sure it was the night before they went home. It was the night before they went. Very smart. So things you want to do.

He needs to come to Bombay. He needs to check out Bombay's nightlife. That's great. He needs to go to Bombay. He needs to check out Bombay's nightlife. That's great. He needs to go to like a Punjabi family's house for dinner. All right. That's always fun. So he should do that. He should do the Taj Mahal and the monuments and all of that.

That'd be great. The Taj Mahal's kind of, it's three hours. It's a long drive, right? But Agra, there's other stuff to do in Rajasthan and you can do that. He should definitely drive. All right. Yeah, I think driving. If you can drive in India, you can drive anywhere in the world.

So he should do that. And then he should do like a Bollywood number. I'll hook that up. Oh, yeah. We definitely would want to do that. So I'll put him in a Bollywood movie where he can dance and do that whole thing, et cetera. I promise you. That would be great.

Could he speak in English? I don't. He's done stuff phonetically in other countries. Yeah. Like in South Korea, he did a soap opera. That took, oh my, it took hours. Yeah. Because he had a fair amount of lines

and they were all phonetically written out. So we'll just dub the whole thing. Yeah, it was like a dog. He just has to mouth his lines. Just dub it. And then when it comes out, it'll be perfect Hindi. Perfect, perfect. And people will be like, has he lived here all his life?

That's hilarious. You could do his voice. I can do his voice, yeah. Do you think about moving here, or do you prefer to visit? I prefer to visit just because my wife and my life is at home, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I like L.A. for pockets of time. Right, right, right.

Everybody's very nice, and there's a lot of wheatgrass infusions and such things. Right, right, right. And hot yoga and all of that stuff. But I kind of like the things we stole from other places. But Mumbai has an ethereal soul that I kind of like. That's where you're from, Mumbai? Is that where you grew up? No, I grew up in Africa, actually.

Oh. Oh. So I grew up in Africa actually oh so I grew up in Lagos Nigeria 17 years oh my gosh wow yeah your family

yeah my dad was living there or they just shipped you out my dad are you ready for how sexy this is my dad went over to Africa to make pre-cut potatoes and tomato pulp

ladies control yourselves wait that's what he was doing and men yeah so that's what he was doing. So I went to Africa when I was eight months old and was there until I was 16. So yeah.

Wow. Have you been back there? Yeah. I did. So it's weird. I did a world tour last year and the final show happened to be Nigeria. And then I went and found my childhood home from when I was like 10 years old. Yeah.

Oh, wow. That's great. Did you knock on the door and see who's living there? Yeah, we did. And it's abandoned. It's kind of a shut down compound now. Nobody's in there. But we shot it for like a documentary and stuff.

Wow. That's great. Did your local Nigeria references still go over? They went well, yeah. 10 years later, yeah. By the way, there's a huge Indian community in Africa. Ah. They went well, yeah. Ten years later, yeah. By the way, there's a huge Indian community in Africa. And Africa, like Indians and Nigerians culturally are very sort of loud, loving people.

So we get along. Everyone gets along well. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So on a world tour, were there any countries you never want to go back to? I'm just talking in terms of stand-up, like stand-up audiences. Right, right. Germany.

Germany was great. I had a weird thing in Germany where I was booked in like this big rock club. Uh-huh. And I showed up and there was no seating. Oh, everyone's standing. And they're like, yeah, people here stand for comedy shows. And I was like, I'm doing 90 minutes. And they're like, yeah, people here stand for comedy shows. And I was like, I'm doing 90 minutes. And they're like, yeah, it'd be absolutely fine.

They march, actually, while you're on stage. While it's happening. Stavanger in Norway was great because it's like Stavanger is small enough where there's one roundabout. Is that what you call it here? Yeah, roundabout. So there's one roundabout is that what you call it here? Yeah, yeah, roundabout. So there's one roundabout in the whole town. And it was one of those things where I was doing Oslo

on a Wednesday. I'm like, hey, do you want to do Trondheim on Tuesday and Stavanger on Monday? I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I sold 800 tickets in Oslo. I sold 21 tickets in Stavanger. And it was, you know,

the promoters calling up friends and family going, he's really good. You got free tickets or whatever. Let's get this up to 20. Exactly. So it got up to 35. Not one Indian in the audience. And it was the best show of the entire world. We did the O2

Forum in London and we did this show in Stavanger and I'd pick the Stavanger show over London any day. It was the best show of the tour. Well, they were probably so excited anyone visits them. Yeah, that a bit like international actors come in there. They already love you before you even step out on stage. So no clue who I was, and then you have to, because you want to be unapologetically Indian in this act,

and introduce them to some Indian things. Your safety net's gone and you have to explain every setup. So a 10-second setup is now a 45-second setup. And you have to figure out how to make that funny on the way to the punchline. Oh, wow. Which is a cool creative thing to have on stage. It's a nice puzzle. But that way you get to do less jokes.

I'd be like, ah, good. A little Gatsby Six jokes and I'm done. Back to Oslo. Alright, well, this was fantastic. We don't want to keep you. What's your pre-show ritual? What are you going to go do right now? Drugs. No, I'm kidding.

That's what we wanted to know. I'm not kidding. I am. I don't know. It's weird because wanted to know. I'm not kidding. I am. I don't know. It's weird because I've never been on the couch before. So I'm just used to being horribly nervous every time I come here. You want to practice sitting down? Practice sitting down. To put you at ease, it's just a chair now.

It's not even a couch. I think the best format the show has ever had. I love this new format. It's kind of chilled and free. It's a little looser. I think the best format the show has ever had. Like, I love this new format. It's kind of chilled and free and, you know. Yeah. It really pops. It's a little looser. I think so.

The stage is up kind of like, it's a little more like a theater setup. Yeah. Totally. Does that make sense? Yeah. You're almost kind of looking across and down in some cases of the audience, which I think a lot of performers like that. I'm five foot seven. I haven't looked down on anyone in a very long time.

So that should be interesting. Well, I think this has been a good warm-up for you. Thank you. I'm sure we've relaxed you and put you at ease. You absolutely have. You've given me a good cup of coffee. A free cup of coffee. It's going to be an incredible show.

You can't repeat any of the jokes you used with us on the show. Yes. I wasn't planning on doing any jokes on the show. It'll be a great six minutes, guys. We're packing the studio with Norwegians. Nice. Just like 25 people from Stavango

and we'll have fish soup after the show. It'll be great. Well, yeah, if we ever get over to Stavango, we'll definitely keep you in mind. Okay, but the one thing I will leave you guys with is you have to bring him to India. You guys have to come to India. Conan, yes. I mean, it's definitely going to happen.

It has to happen. We have to get our shit together. Because there was a lot more kind of paperwork associated with going to India. Oh, I'm sure. Yes. I'm sure. A lot of visas. Visas within visas.

It was incredible. A lot of paperwork. But I think you guys will have the time of your life we're very excited about it and I like the meal before getting on the airplane isn't that a nice like your own little reality TV show

will he make it or will he not we'll all swallow tiny cameras alright well thank you so much have a great show. Thank you. Well, let's just dive right into it. Let's dive right in. Assuming we're recording.

Yes. Okay. We got thumbs up. Thumbs up. And we're here with Kent Irwin. Yeah. Let's party. Let's party.

How long is this, by the way? However long you want it to be. And then you choppy chop it up? Yeah. All right, hi. You wish. We'll see how it goes, and that's how long it is. We're desperate for every word on this show.

There'll be no chopping, trust me. Okay. Yeah, good. We're here. Unedited. Yes. Hello, Kent. Hi.

Hello, Sweens. You literally just came from doing a show moments ago. Yes. I did. You were out there on the floor as a cue card person. I was. I was. I still have fresh ink dripping off me.

Do you have ink issues sometimes when you go home? No. That never occurred to me. You're probably very neat. Yeah. Well, you know, the ink is pretty much permanent. So if you get them in your clothes, they're done. You throw them in the trash.

Really? Or cut them out, cut a hole. Or like if they're white, you can maybe dip it in bleach. But yeah. Isn't this interesting? It's permanent, but it's such a. It's very toxic. It's something that doesn't last a day.

It all gets thrown out. Who cares whether it's permanent ink or not? Right. True. Philosophical rumination. Yeah. That's something that doesn't last a day. It all gets thrown out. Who cares whether it's permanent ink or not? Right. True. Philosophical rumination. Yeah, that's something to think about. But is anything really permanent? Why don't we pause for five minutes and shoot that one over?

So how long have you been doing your job at the show? I started when the show became The Tonight Show over at Universal, NBC Universal. So I think that was 2008, 9, 10? That was 2009. Nine, okay. And how did we find you? I think we had the Yellow Pages back then, didn't we? I think it was through the Yellow Pages.

No, I was recommended by somebody that I worked for, a guy named Wally. Do you guys know who Wally is? He does SNL and Fallon and he has all the- Oh, Wally, yes. Wally, yeah. I actually had heard of Wally. Yeah, he's great. And so I was recommended through him and I went in and-

Were you living in New York at the time? I was in Los Angeles, actually moving to New York. Okay. With all my stuff in storage and ready to go. And it was kind of close to to there was a financial collapse. Right. And the show I was going to work on got canceled. Yeah, we've heard of it.

Yeah. We thought you meant with your personal finances. That too. You're talking about the U.S. economy. Yes, go ahead. Yeah, so that got canceled. So I stayed here, and then all of a sudden I was like, Psalm's job.

And then, you know, there was some talk. That's French. Next thing you know, here I am. Is your stuff still in storage? It is. It is. I had to get all new stuff. Sorry, Jessie.

Go ahead. No, just that you told me something earlier, Kent, that I cannot verify. So I don't know if there's any way we can fact check this. But you said that you, your uncle invented cue cards. Yes, he did. I, what do you laugh?

I, what? It's just an insane coincidence. I mean, it's not a coincidence. It's a great story. It's a family dynasty. You're in the family business.

Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. What's the story? I'm pretty much the only person left because people, a lot of people don't use, you lot of late-night talk shows do.

Talk shows use them a lot. You use teleprompters now. SNL uses them. And any kind of like sitcom where it's like, yeah, teleprompters are used when you're talking down the barrel of a camera. Right. News and stuff like that. But cue cards are mobile. So you can – if actors are talking to each other and the blocking is – so they move, you move with them, you know, like we do here on the show.

Away from the camera. Right. Right, right, right. In their eyelines, so it looks like they're talking to each other. Right, like they're in a scene or something like that. Exactly. So, you know, films, you know, I worked on Forrest Gump. I mean, there's a million things, you know, a million things.

Tom Hanks used cue cards in Forrest Gump. For all the scenes on the bench. Well, he was playing someone who was slow. For all the scenes on the bench when he's talking to people that sit down at the bench, a million things. Tom Hanks used cue cards in Forrest Gump. For all the scenes on the bench. For all the scenes on the bench when he's talking to people that sit down at the bench, all those scenes. Yeah, when he's saying, really? Life is like a box of chocolate. Exactly. Were you shocked when that feather was added at the end? I was.

I was really surprised. That wasn't there. That's bullshit. Yeah, yeah. I never saw that. So tell us about, yeah. Barney McNulty is the guy. No, it's bullshit. Yeah, yeah. I never saw that. Yeah. So tell us about, yeah. Barney McNulty is the guy's name. No, it's not. Stop. Barney McNulty.

You're spinning yarns. I promise. This is all, it's on the internet, so it must be true, right? He started off as a page at CBS in New York. Okay. Right? In the 1950s, the mid-50s, right? The dawn of television.

Yeah. And he was working as a page on a show by a guy by the name of Ed Wynn. Sure. The Ed Wynn Show is one of the first TV shows, I guess. Right. I've never seen an episode. I don't know. I have neither.

I haven't seen it either. But apparently, back then, all these guys, and I guess it carried over into like, you know, later with the Brat Pack and all those guys or the Rat Pack. I apologize. The Brat Pack is the breakfast one, right? Yeah. Where people were just hammered all the time, right? And drinking on the job and everybody drank, drank, drank, drank, drank. Bottles, bottles, bottles everywhere. Are you talking about the crew and the performers?

Yes. You're saying everybody. Yes. Yes. Back when it was kind of the wild west, you know what I mean? There were no real rules back then. I don't know if any unions were formed or, you know. Is this, you learned this from your uncle Barney? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So Ed Wynn would come in hammered from the night before. He stayed up or like, you know, he partied. He was, you know, a fun guy. You know, we'll have him on to rebuttal. Good, good, good. Watch what you say.

He's been dead for 100 years. But he, you know, was sitting there and couldn't get his lines out one day, you know, during rehearsal or whatever. And my uncle, Barney, was there and the light bulb went off and he's like, why don't I just... Oh, fun little side fact. His partner at the CBS theater was James Dean when he was like 16, 17 years old.

Him and James Dean were both pages at CBS. No! Oh my God. So that's where it was born and then it turned into both pages at CBS look at the internet. Oh my God. Real internet, yeah. Wow. Yeah, so that's where it was born. And then it turned into, you know,

I guess at its height, you know, it was probably like in the 70s where they're, you know, they had the Carol Burnett show. Right. Those variety shows that were so popular in the 70s. And, you know, there'd be a hundred people in a giant warehouse pumping out cue cards and people driving all over town. Now, Kent.

Yes. Is it possible, you've heard of the film industry, right? Which predates television. I don't know. What if, is it possible someone starring in a movie was drunk and possibly someone wrote words down on a card? That's why it's hard to say you invented writing words on paper. Right. Right.

But. Yes. That is possible. Yes. Okay. But I like this story better. I have not heard a story or any. Did Uncle Barney trademark it?

Did he make any money out of it? He didn't because how do you. Or did he just get laid because, hey, I invented cue cards. Yeah, yeah, no. Let's go. Come on. He was real, I invented cue cards. Yeah, yeah, no. Let's go. Come on. He was real popular because of cue cards. No, he...

I don't know how you trademark writing, you know, but here's the thing. The copy that the scripts that are given to you, that's copyrighted. True. But actually printing words on a giant piece of poster board. Yeah, the idea of writing things down. Yeah. I'm on Wikipedia, and it says, cue cards were originally used to aid aging actors.

One early use was by John Barrymore. But then it does say, cue cards did not become widespread until 1949 when Barney McNulty, a CBS page, was asked to write ailing actor Ed Wynn's script lines on large sheets of paper to help her remember the script. Vindication. Amazing.

No one doubted you. Wow. He's also known, McNulty, who died in 2000 at the age of 77, was known in Hollywood as the cue card king. Oh my God. Wow. I love that alliteration.

Yes. He definitely had that as a personalized license plate. No. But with a Q for cube. Yeah, yeah that as a personalized license plate. No. But with a Q for cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cute card. Yeah, cute cards, yeah. So did he start training you as a young child? Like, did he see that you had to, is when I began. I couldn't read or write,

but I could print a full script up in minutes. Right, right. No, I, you know, basically I had gotten a scholarship to a school. I grew up in St. Right, right. No, I, you know, basically I had gotten a scholarship to a school. I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri. Ah. But I got a scholarship to a school out here. So when I was coming out here, you know, Uncle Barney lived out here.

Right. And instead of waiting tables or, you know, doing whatever you do in college, he, you know, taught me how to do that. And I started on Days of Our Lives. Oh, that's great. Over at NBC. And that's where I began. Soap operas.

Yeah. That's a lot of lines. I mean, that's, those are huge scripts. Yes. Daily. Yes. Huge, like 120 pages, you know, 300 cue cards a day. Wow.

Full room of people banging it out. And they don't even care. My impression was the actors don't even care if you see them reading. You can show the cards. Well, the trick is, you know, and according to camera angles and all that stuff, is the better you are at your job, the less it looks like they're reading cue cards. Right. Like you don't notice Conan's reading cue cards.

No. Yeah. That's magic. Well, except tonight. So your job is, when you're doing your job best is when we don't notice Conan's reading cue cards. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's magic. Well, except tonight. So your job is, when you're doing your job best is when we don't know. Correct. That you're doing your job at all. Right.

Oh, wow. Right. Yeah. That's a convenient. It's like a plastic surgeon, you know? So you have an Uncle Wally. No, the other guy was Wally. Wally, yeah.

Wally's out in New York. Barney. So you should be Kenty. Barney. Kenty. Yeah, you're right. You know what? We're going to edit that out.

We're definitely leaving that in. That was a long way to go. I brought up something from 10 minutes ago. Nice work. So were there other people in your family that went into the cue card business? I've got a cousin, Kevin Carney. Shout out to Kevin, who does Teleprompter. Really?

Yeah. He's basically like we're arch nemesises. Wow. No, not really. We're in love. And did your uncle ever try to corner like the cardboard and pen market so he could get a vertical monopoly? He tried, but you can't. You know what I mean? It's like copywriting a common word.

You know what I mean? It was like copywriting a common word or, you know what I mean? Like you can't, it's, it was really tough for him to look into it and tried, but what happened was a lot of his, you know, people that were coworkers, people that worked for him branched off and started their own companies,

started to compete against him. Right. And that turned into like, you know, there were a bunch of different cue card companies in the seventies that all competed to get shows. And it's still a little bit like that today. There's still like a you know, there were a bunch of different cue card companies in the 70s that all competed to get shows. And it's still a little bit like that today. There's still like a few companies out there.

But I don't know. I love everybody. Speaking of loving everyone, I don't know if people know this. We have three cue card people here on the show. Because we do a lot of sketches with many performers. And do you guys ever fight over, like, who's writing, someone's writing more cards than the other guy? Like, is it a quota thing where you-

No, we just, we split everything pretty evenly. You split it evenly. Yeah. Yeah. I do Andy mostly. You usually do Andys, right? Yeah. Yeah, because I'm in love.

Sure. In love with Andy Richter. Do you ever zone out during a sketch and actually, oh shit, I was supposed to flip a card? It depends how high I am. Okay. Uh-huh. No, no, no, no.

Let's get into that. No, no, no. I have, but never, it's always when I can. Right. It's like when you're, I've done award show, like the Billboard Awards, where there's 15,000 people in the audience, and you're on stage with whoever. Your adrenaline's going. I'm used to it now, so I don't shake or get scared or anything. But I've done it all.

Shaking's probably bad. Right. Holding up cue cards. Right, exactly. But no, I've done everything there is to do. Right. So it's almost like autopilot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I will say, I had to flip cards for a sketch that we've done on the show. And it's harder than it looks. It is. I thought I underestimated the physical intensity of your job. It is very physically intense. That's why I have a training regimen. Well, yeah, because you have to hold it steady. And then, yeah, it's just a lot of upper arm strength that maybe I need to work on.

Is that true? I guess it's true. It would just say I had a giant stack. It's like boxing. Yeah. It depends on how many cards there are. If you have a lot of cards. Like in days of our lives, you're holding a giant stack of cue cards.

And what it is, it's, you know, of course, you know, being in shape helps a little bit, but it's more like when you're in college and you're getting hazed, you know, at a fraternity or something and they make you. And like you say, you know, like we both know. Well, if you've heard of where you, where they make you like hold you say, you know, like we both know. Yeah, right. Well, if you've heard of where they make you hold two books, two stacks of books in each other's hands face up, and you have to squat and you have to hold it for as long as you can. You're making me want to go back to college.

Have you heard of something like that? I have. So it's like that. You know what I mean? It's because you're holding it up and it's got to be steady. You've got to hold it. But it's heavy. Right.

H-E-L-L? Can you double that? Yeah, you can say. You gotta hold it, but it's heavy. Right. H E L L. Can you double? Yeah. You can say, yeah. Well then it's heavy as motherfucking shit. All right. Okay.

Sorry. You know what I mean? So it's like that. It's like a, it's like a hazing ritual every day of my life. It's basically. So do you have work nightmares? I would think I would have dreams where the cards are in the wrong order or.

No, no, I've never, I've never done that. You know, people are always like, don't you just watch. You seem like you sleep really well. You just seem in general like a person who sleeps well. I do, I do. I have a clean conscious. What do you think? No, I mean, that's a, you just seem like, like you.

Comfortable. Yeah. And you manage stress well. In life. Yeah, I do... Comfortable. Yeah. And you manage stress well. In life. Yeah, I do. I do. Yeah. I do.

Well, you're the man for this job. Sorry, go ahead. No, you also are sort of known around our staff. Conan singles you out a lot because of some of your extracurricular activities. In rehearsal. Yes. Yeah. If there's a little lull, he'll turnurricular activities. In rehearsal. Yes. Yeah. If there's a little lull, he'll turn right to Kent.

He does. He does. He can't get over the fact that I've seen this band Fish as many times as I have. How many times have you seen Fish? Closing in on 200. I'm like more on 190 now or something like that. They've only done 201 concerts. No, no.

They don't still tour, do they? Yeah, huge sellout tours every year, yeah. All right. What about the dead? Dead and Company, this incarnation? Yeah, they're great. And they keep getting better, too. I mean, Bob Weir, I don't know how old these guys are.

Probably, I would guess, early 80s or something. And still rocking their socks off. Right. It's amazing. John Mayer plays with them now. Right. He's incredible. He's basically Jerry Garcia.

He's doing the Jerry Garcia, yes. Which I have trouble with that casting, but that's fine. You know, a lot of people did. And it has evolved into he is, he gets it. You know what I mean? Like he is an amazing guitar player. He gets, I think my opinion is that he gets, he gets the Jerry thing and he's proficient and, uh, vibey and flows. And he's great. He's a great guitar player. I've never thought about going to a Phish concert,

but I think I would enjoy going with you. I would love nothing more than to take you to Phish. I've been trying to get people to go with me since 92, I think is the first time I saw him. And everyone says no. What's your success rate? Zero. Zero.

Everyone's like, no. Well, I would go if the concerts weren't eight hours long. Right. They're not. What's the longest one you've done? They're not eight hours. That would be a health hazard. Okay.

The longest one that I went to, they played the Millennial Night concert of like 99 to 2000 in a place called big Cypress Seminole Indian reservation with the Seminole Indians in Florida, I'm guessing in Florida. And they play, they came out on stage at about 10 30, 11 o'clock at night and played until the sun came up the next day. And it was one of the most magical, incredible life altering. It puts you, it sticks. It has stuck with me for the rest of my life. one of the most magical, incredible, life-altering.

It puts you, it has stuck with me for the rest of my life. That feeling, that community, that, you know, being up and experiencing that through the night, and it's like a huge, it was a huge adventure. And then the sun came up in the morning, they finished their set. The clouds turned like Dr. Seuss magenta pink. How many drugs were you on?

Two. Okay. No, no, I don't know. 20? And you looked at the other eight people still left and there were 125,000 people there. What? All the way through. 125,000. there. All the way through? 125,000. Oh my God.

Wow. Yeah. I would stop seeing them. How did you think you'd ever top that? Well, they've done a lot since then. You know, they constantly, they're the most creative band on the planet. They're constantly evolving.

They're constantly changing their sound. Yeah, I mean, sometimes they wear Tevas and sometimes they wear Chacos. Oh. What's a Chaco? It's a different kind of sandal. Can you eat it? It's like chocolate.

It's not like a Chaco Taco. Yeah, Chaco Taco. That's what they call it. Hey, do they ever forget their lyrics? What if you- Yes, yes. Did you card for Fitch? Wouldn't that be the natural-

I've looked into it. And they do. They have so many. They have like 300 or 400 original songs. And some of them are long, complicated lyrics, stories even. And they do. They've got little monitors. Floor monitors.

Yeah, yeah, if they need them. And I was like, my God, I would be the best person for that job. Because I'm really good at, and especially among all my friends, that the first note, I know exactly what it is. So I could like – Oh, right. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like I'd be the best person for the job. Obviously, you know, they have somebody and maybe they're happy with them.

I don't know. I don't know. Trey, if you're listening to this right now – Yeah, because have you reached out directly to them? No, no. I know his, uh, I know Trey's manager, Patrick Jordan is a great guy, but I, I always just see him and hug him because he's such a lovable, huggable guy. And I'm going to get into business, you know, maybe I could send him an email. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. He's cool. Just put it out there into the universe, you know, put it on your vision board.

The whole family, like the whole thing is just the most spectacular people. There's no way to, you know, do you have fish friends? Oh yeah. Tons. That you see at concerts only?

Yeah. Yeah. Some, you know, the, some of the greatest people I've ever met in my life. Yeah. The closest,

loveliest people in my life are all met through that. And traveling, you know, 92, 93, 94. 95, 96, 97, 98. 99, 2000, 2001, 2002. I'm just guessing. But in those early days, they would play a lot of places in a small area. So you'd just jump in your car and gas was $1.50. All in Vermont. Well, in St. Louis,

they play, you know, Chicago, Indiana, you know, all of that whole Midwest area. You could see a ton of shows. Are you afraid to see your fish friends out away from a concert

or do you only exist? No. Do these relationships only exist? We go snowboarding together. We do trips together. We're besties. Besties.

The fish family is Fish family is close. And it's family with a PH, right? It could be. Yeah, sure, sure. Do you go to Burning Man? I've been twice. Really? Yeah, it's a whole separate experience.

Yeah, I didn't know if there was crossover with the Fish family. You know, I ran into some people that like fish there, but it's a whole different experience. Chacos? Chacos are probably there. People are mostly naked. I was naked for a good portion of it. Of Burning Man? Yeah, because you can be.

It's like the only, you know, at fish, there are naked dudes, but everyone's like, hey, look at naked dude. You could be naked right now. I'm inviting you right now to take your clothes off. Really? Sure. Do I get a free pass? A free pass to what? To get naked. Oh. So you were naked. What year was this that you were at Burning Man? Probably like five years ago and like eight years ago. All right. Something like that. Have you been naked in other festival environments? No, just Burning Man's the only place I'd really feel comfortable.

I also dressed in drag, and I pretended one day, I pretended to be a streetwalker from the 30s. And that was a lot of fun. How much money did you make? Was it at 1930s prices? I made no money because there's no money at Burning Man. Oh, right. It's all bartering. Like, I'll give you a pancake. It's an all-inclusive.

You could get a corncob. I'll give you a pancake for a blowjob. Exactly. Sign me up. Yeah, no, Burning Man's great. It's a lot of house music. It's a lot of, like, electronic music, you know? Right. Which I can only take there, but I'm fully into

it, you know what I mean? I'm dancing to everything and it's great and fantastic, but then I don't listen to it after that. Yeah. I love it when I listen to more like jam bands and I listen to fish. Okay. But then I also listen to, you know, every, a lot of jazz, like Velvet Underground is one of my, you know what I mean? I listen to a lot of older stuff and like a lot of stuff.

A lot. Do you have a whole separate group of Burning Man besties? Not really, right? Not really. Burning Bros? It doesn't seem like a fun You ever go to a party You ever go to a party and it's like one of the most insane nights of your life? One of the most

epic, insane nights and like a million things happen. No, I've never been to that party before. I've always heard, seriously heard about them and seen them portrayed in film. In New York? You've never had a night in New York where just like one insane thing after another happens? Not at a party. I've never been invited to that party. Maybe an emergency room or something.

Okay, well, that's fine. That's fine. No, I'm just saying Burning Man, like at the end of that night where it's one of those things where like you go home and you close the door and you're alone for the first time and you're like, okay, let's just leave all that at the door. You know what I mean? And let's, let's get back into life. Not, not to be ashamed of anything, but it's just like this magical experience that it's, that I, the way I deal with it, it's,

it's so much that you just kind of compartmentalize it and put, put it down and put it, leave it there and then continue. You know what I mean? Okay. You know what I mean? But, but, but you think back on it with a huge smile and a boner. Did you say, what was it? What? He. And a boner. Did you say, what was it? He said and a boner. Oh, okay. Because we'll be doing an ad about that coming up soon.

That's true. Really? Yeah, we do erectile dysfunction ads now. Are you kidding? Do we get free? Oh, we can look into it. Or discounts? Define we.

Hosts. Have you ever used any? Have I ever used any? Yeah, I have. You have? Yeah. At Burning Man? No, but I should have.

That would have been a great idea. Because you were naked the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have used? Yes, it's fantastic. Really? Yes. Oh, yeah.

All right. Yeah, it's fantastic. That's great. One thing, and I don't know what the brand is, but the one particular brand that I had, I learned the hard way. Sorry, I had to say it. Wow. Sorry.

I'm sorry. The first time I took it, I took a whole pill. Yeah. Which since then, you have to. Because you're so big. This is actually good for people to listen to. Yeah. Just to experience it, you know?

Yeah. Chop it up into eighths. Oh, my God. Not even fourths. Chop that shit up into eighths because it is very powerful. Very strong. Very strong. Yeah.

And the first time I did it, no one told me that. And I took it, and there was a girl that I dated. I remember this was around 9-11 is the only reason I remember this because I think 9-11 was like the next day, actually. What else can we get in the basket of this story? But I was dating a girl for, you know, we'd gone out and we'd made out a couple times and I thought it was like the big night and she invited me over and we made dinner and like we'd watched a movie on the couch and she's like, okay, you know, you ready to go to bed?

And I was like, yeah, sure. She went to the kitchen and gets a glass of water while she's in there, pop, you know, pop the old pill, you know, getting all excited. We go to bed, we're making out in bed, everything's going wonderfully. She's into it. I'm into it. And, you know, and then it was like, okay, there's somebody else in bed with us. It was like that. You know what I'm into it. And then it was like, okay, there's somebody else in bed with us. It was like that.

You know what I'm saying? A tower rose. Yes, exactly. And then, you know, it's time to pack it on up and head down south, you know? So as I did that... How old were you? You're like a young man.

No. I did that. How old were you? I know. You're like a young man. No. I'm 45. Yeah, but then you were in your 20s. No, I was in my 30s probably. 30, 31, 32. Old enough to have sex. Yeah. Is that what you mean?

No, no, no. Why did you need an ED? Oh, just to try it. Got to try everything once, right? Sure. Okay. So as I'm heading down, as I'm journeying down south, she's. I literally thought when you mentioned that before, I thought you had left and headed back down to Florida.

It's a euphemism. No, now I. Do you get it, sweetie? I do get it. I just can't believe you're talking about this. But yes. So she puts her hand you're talking about this. But yes. So she puts her hand on my hand and stops me. And I was like, what?

She's like, I started my period and it's really bad. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, I didn't know how you'd follow 9-11, but you've done it. Of course. Period. Bring that in there. That was the next day. Oh, you just abandoned?

So I was just like, you know, without being like that guy, you know, I didn't like move her hand. Well, just like a little help over here, you know, like a white flag or something. Because I couldn't tell her. I wasn't going to tell her what I'd done. You know what I mean? So I was trying to be cool. Long story short, she went to sleep. I sat there with what felt like the Hindenburg about to explode off my body.

Like I was ready to go to the hospital. Pre-explosion Hindenburg. Yeah. This was one of those, if your erection lasts for longer, call your doctor. I should have been on the phone with the doctor immediately. Instead, I went to the bathroom

and I masturbated about a hundred times. Okay. It still wasn't enough. It was awful. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. You wrote some cue cards with it. I did.

The whole nine yards. I did. Played some baseball. Yeah. I think I understood how we got here. Yeah, I didn't expect that. Did we go off the rails a little bit? We got you in a bathroom. I will say I would love to see your medicine cabinet.

I'm imagining floor to ceiling. see your medicine cabinet. Ooh. I'm imagining like floor to ceiling. I'll send you a picture. Now that I think about it. Are you into micro dosing? Have you tried it? No. Okay. Because why not just eat the whole thing?

Okay. Right? Yeah. That's a fair point. Like if you're going to do it, do it. Yeah. Right. I didn't know.

I just didn't know if you were like, you know, to have a work time sort of dose. Oh, no. I would love to eat acid at work. I don't know if I, I don't know what I would do. I don't know if I could do it. Cones a lot. Yeah. The whole thing's a.

It might be a bad trip. I like, I get a little internal on, on that. I think, I don't know, the acid, doing the acid and doing the show sounds like a really great experiment. And then we can have you on afterwards to talk about how it went. That sounds like my worst nightmare. I don't know. Maybe it'd be great. I don't know.

All right, let's try it. Crush up an ED pill and snort that, too, and see where things go. I think you all know where those things would go. Man. Right? Okay. And you've been in Hollywood for like since you were...

Yeah, since you were in college it sounds like. I got a scholarship to an acting school is why I moved here. Lee Strasberg Theater Institute. Oh, sure. That's great.

I went there for four years, yeah. So you were kind of like the Barry of your time. Exactly. Exactly. Do you have kind of like the Barry of your time. Exactly. Exactly. Do you have, have you had other, like, I don't know, fun run-ins with Hollywood people? I mean, I've got a trillion stories, literally. Oh, yeah.

Literally a trillion stories. Trillions. Any not involving pharmaceuticals. Yeah. Yeah. Let me think of one. Gosh. So one time I was at a celebrity's

birthday party and they had rented a giant mansion in the hills where they rent these mansions for parties. Oh, so they're not they don't live there. They don't live there, yeah. They rent them out to have parties at them. Someone trashes their house. Yeah, and they've got people, you know, it's catered.

There's tons of people that are, you know. Tigers. There was no tigers, but that's a fantastic idea. I love tigers. So I went inside the house and there was a line about 40 people deep to use this one bathroom.

They wouldn't let you go upstairs to all the bedroom bathrooms. Like for the public, you had to use this, you know. So I walked in and I like had to go. You know what I mean? Where like as soon as I saw how many people were in line, I was like, this is not going to happen. Like something's disaster is about to strike, you know. And a buddy of mine came in from the back of the kitchen and he passed me.

And he's like, hey, dude, go, you know, go out past the kitchen. And there's like a deck. And you can just pee like off the deck into the shrubs or whatever. And I was like, oh, my God. I love you. Walked outside. Ran outside. Pretended like I was going to the kitchen to get some hors d'oeuvres or whatever.

Went out the back by myself. So happy. Run over to the side. Pull it out. sit back. My eyes roll in the back of my head. Just bliss. And then I felt a presence, right? And then all of a sudden, I looked down out of my periphery. I see that there's someone standing right next to me. And this is a huge

balcony, like the length of the house balcony where this guy could have gone anywhere to pee. But instead he chose to stand basically shoulder to shoulder with me. And, and I just, I see him on my periphery and I was like, wow, that's really uncomfortably close, you know? So I still, I'm looking down because I still have it in my hand and I'm,

you know what I mean? Like it's like when you go to the, you know what I mean? You go to the public bathroom and you don't have that partition and everyone's like looking at everywhere except their own dongs. You know what I mean? It was like one of those things. And so all of a sudden I hear this, I hear him say, and it's so comfortable and I'm just like, what do I do? What do I say? And I'm in my mind, you know, in my head.

So they're thinking all this and And I hear, Hey man, you got a nice penis. And I went, what? And I looked up over on the side and it was Benicio del Toro. And he goes, I'm just kidding, man.

And then he like walked over. He did the whole thing. It's like a joke. It's a prank. There's one. That's a quick story. I like that. Wow.

That's a good one. That's a good bit for him to do to people. It was really funny. Yeah. I appreciated it. I gave him a high five after I washed my hands. You washed your hands. Yeah, okay, good.

I like that story about him. The next time I see him, I'm going to see an extra twinkle in his eye. Follow him into the bathroom. He might remember. I'd love to ask him. So there's lore about you on the staff. And one of the rumors is that you're friends with Leonardo DiCaprio. That's true.

Okay. That's true. So, I mean, how did you meet him? I met him through mutual friends, like, the second I moved to L.A. Like, no, it was right about his, this boy's life with De Niro. I don't know if you remember that. It was that year, which was,

should have been like 94 or something. I would guess. I don't know. Somewhere in there. It should line up, but yeah, we're kids. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And what, what do you guys like to do together? I mean, what's, what do you, what's a hang like?

Balconies, nudity. No, we do, I don't know, basketball, football, video games, you know, go out at night. You know, backgammon. Really? Backgammon? He plays backgammon? Yeah, he's really good. I don't know.

You know, we've gone on adventures together. He's great. He's like the sweetest. He's the sweetest person in the world, honestly. Yeah, he seems sweet. He's amazing. He's an amazing. He's hilarious and sweet and incredible.

Yeah, he's great. He's great. I love him. Have you taken him to go to a Phish concert, though? No, I have gotten him to listen to Phish. He draws the line. But, you know, listen, I'm like alone on listen to Fish He draws the line But, you know, listen I'm like alone on Fish Island most of the time So can you

We'll come right out and say Can you get Leo to do our podcast? Yeah Absolutely not What? Absolutely not Why not? The poor guy, you know, has

No one ever thinks to ask He's never on podcasts He's never been invited to do a podcast Yeah, you know And we'd scoop Conan He's never been invited to do a podcast. Yeah, you know. And we'd scoop Conan. He's never been on the TV show. It'd be a real coup. I don't know.

I haven't talked to him in a minute. He doesn't do a lot of that stuff. He has a lot of people asking him to do stuff. We'll go to him if that's the problem. Yeah, if that's an issue. Yeah. How about this? If you called him, and even if he hung up on you, we could say he was on the podcast.

That's true. If he just said hello and I hung up real quick. Yes, you hung up on him. Exactly. That's all we need. No, he's the best. He's the sweetest. Then we could advertise that this podcast features Leonardo DiCaprio.

Exactly. Exactly. And that's not happening happening a little bait and switch we're gonna we're gonna talk to paula our talent booker about reaching out to leo okay yeah well we'll go through proper channels yeah okay and i we bet we justin and i both think he'll say yes okay that's good and we won't even mention you. We're not even going to play the Kent card. Listen. The Kent card.

I like that. Yeah. No, I'm on your side. You know, positive energy. Yeah. 100% for me. Thank you, Kent. Thank you, Kent.

This is a lot of fun. We learned a lot about you. Yes. A little too much. You're a treasure trove. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for being here.

Thanks, Kent. All right. That's our show. That's it. It went by so quickly for us. I know, for us. I can't speak for anyone else. So unhelpfully for you. And last week,

we asked listeners to pitch ideas for where Conan can go for his next Conan Without Borders show. Yeah, we want you to do our jobs for us. Exactly.

And apparently, we're hearing we got a lot of responses, a lot of suggestions. There are a lot of people with maps and globes out there. And we're going to play some of the suggestions next week. Yeah, I know. I'm excited to hear. Me too. So, yeah, thanks for those.

Keep them coming. You can call us and leave us a message at 323-209-5303 or email us at insideconanpod at gmail.com. Right, with any questions you have. Yeah, anything. Or comments. Sure. Feedback for us.

Feedback. I'm still waiting. I want a troll. That's what I want. Okay. I'm sure that could be arranged. I'm sure they're keeping those from us. I just refuse to believe that everyone is having positive reactions to this podcast.

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