Inside Late Night with Mark Malkoff - Rebecca Shaw and Ben Kronengold

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Rebecca Shaw and Ben Kronengold discuss writing for Jimmy Fallon's Tonight Show and creating the new series "Adults" on FX.

Hi, I am Mark Malkoff and welcome to Inside Late Night, presented by Late Nighter.com. Today's guest are former Jimmy Fallon Writers, Rebecca Shaw, and Ben Cronin Gold. We talk Fallon, Late Night, and their new TV show, Adults, premiering soon on FX. Now it's time to go inside late night. Ben and Rebecca, it's such an amazing success story. I have so many questions. First of all, thank you for being here. Mark, thank you for having.

us. We're such fans. We're really, really honored. We're so, so delighted to be here. 17 years old. I remember when I was 17, and it was one of those things where I look back at some of the people that I met, and you just never think sometimes how life changing it's going to be. So you meet when you're 17 in high school, and then you realize that you're both going to be going to the same college? Yeah, very close. We met at an accepted student's meetup. So we were in high school. We both knew we were going to college together, but it's crazy. It's like you know nothing about yourself at 17. You, you know, haven't picked a major. You're like vaguely sure that you know how to like do your sheets, but you might be screwing it all up. And then we met each other in

Washington Square Park. And that felt, you know, intuitive. And you both had late night on your minds, because Ben, you were an intern on Conan, correct? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, that was my first job my first time in L.A. really was interning on Conan and putting water bottles, filling up water coolers around the Warner Brothers lot, which is incredible. What was the highlight of Conan's internship and what was the low of the low? Oh my gosh. Okay. The low of the low was driving easily an hour across town to get a pair of stripper boots for a sketch that when I was 10 minutes out from returning to the studio had been cut. and of course it felt like such a personal slight at the time right it's like what did i do wrong

why is in my creative vision um being uh shown to the world i just picked up the so imagine us than late night writers and how personal it could sometimes feel but that was a low light the highlight was sitting there as just a huge nerd a huge fan of late night pinching myself and hearing coding give feedback to his writers because when you're an intern you're also just sitting there in the stands your seat fillers for rehearsals and hearing the little tips and tricks and like rhymes and ditties sometimes that that conan would give about like why a sketch was working or what why it wasn't working that would we would talk about it truly when we were in 30 rock ourselves um so real proxy lessons and sort of parisocial relationships towards that writer's room was the highlight

everyone said it was a master class the people that i know that worked over there when you heard conan that would run things and so you're doing that in college and And you made, Rebecca, you made a lot of publicity because I remember when this came out when you did Wax Paul Now, which was almost writing a late night piece in itself. It could have easily served. Can you talk about this? This is when you were in college. And I just remember this was everywhere in the news. That is very, very kind of you. I think if it was in the news, it was just through sheer will and love of Paul Diomadi. This was when I was in college, a couple of friends and I went to Madam Tussow's Wax Museum in Times Square. You know, just like fun. chill college students or want to do, just, you know, but we went there and what we found on the way out is the last thing they say to you is like, thank you for coming. And if you have any ideas for wax statues, you know, fill out the submission form, we get back to you in some like shockingly short amount of time, like 24 hours. Obviously, we called their bluff and, you know, submitted one

for an actor who we genuinely did believe was deserving of a wax statue, character actor, Paul Giamatti. And they didn't get back to us. And instead of doing what normal people would do and just reading the room and stopping, bothering these good people at their jobs, we doubled down and tripled down and started the Wax Paul Now campaign to get Paul Giamatti a Madam Tussaud's wax statue. How much did you pay Lindsay Lowen on Cameo.com to record that message? Oh, my God. She should have been nominated for something. She did a very good job. She was very convincing. I know. I know. It turns out when you get cameos, I can't remember how much it was, but I remember learning that when you get cameos, there are limits to the ways that you can use

that footage, because, like, they're not actually promoting a product. They're not actually involved in the Wax Paul Now movement. So there are some very specific rules about where you can and can't host their endorsements. But I would like to think it's an uncontroversial issue. So you put this out and didn't it went in a war to go to a festival? You wrote this mockumentary that was actually a thing. So it did. It did. It screamed at AFI Fest, which was just wild. We ended up turning it into a mockumentary called Wax Paul Now. That was sort of like a Nathan for You-esque, you know, journey to try to get this statue made. But we reached out to Paul Giamati and he very, very generously

agreed to do a cameo in it. So that was, we were very much riding his coattails on the way. But it was, I mean, you know, it was before we were hired on late night, I believe. or right around the time that we were starting and, you know, one of the first real production experiences I got to have, albeit on a much smaller scale. And then, you know, when Paul was on the Tonight Show, a couple years later, we knocked down

his dressing room and just went and said hi and how incredibly generous it was of a comedian who he had no, you know, obligation to. It was just really wonderful of him. And he reminded you of the restraining order, right? Yeah, yeah, but yeah. That's actually why we left the Tonight Show.

We're going to get to that. Spoiler alert. I need to ask you about this. Just because I don't know if you're aware of this. This happened. Somebody else in late night before you, this happened to them as well, but it really hasn't been publicized. But at what point do you realize that you're both together going to be beginning at Yale? At what point do you realize that? And they give you seven minutes. How did that come about? And then that was in, what, 2018? 18, yeah. It's so interesting. I think like a lot of things at our school, it's audition. for like a stupid amount of things at our school. There was sort of auditioned. So there's a formal process where for the last 10, 15 years, at least, there is a very serious, beautiful, poignant graduation speech. And then there are the idiots who get to go up there and are asked to do a schick.

And Rebecca and I come up doing comedy in school, not together as much, but we were in the sort of two respective sketch comedy groups. I did improv. Rebecca wrote for the sort of like late night show on campus. and more and more it was becoming part of what we love to do what we're spending our summers doing too as you alluded to and we just auditioned for it we actually wrote two speeches one of which was a little bit more inside baseball for our campus and the other one of which we really hoped they would go for was like not really leaning too hard on in jokes because in our minds we're like this is going to be friends and family in the audience who don't know you know what derpy sweet shop is and how the chicken tender is there suck. So we were like, let's do something a little more relatable. Everyone can relate to moving on from college and moving on from a college relationship. So that's sort of how it came about. I think like with many of our comedic endeavors, there's always like a secret hidden

layer of like, and we wrote two speeches, you know, and it served as well. I mean, it comes in handy on late night, you know, the ability to just sort of be like, all right, I'm going to write this and I'm going to focus on it wholeheartedly. And then I'm going to be totally unpressuous and write another one in case you don't like the first one. Rebecca, when you're doing this, this is seven minutes. Do either of you know that Hillary Clinton, who is behind you, is laughing, or you've just focused on the performing? Was it later when you looked at the video?

Like, oh, wow, Hillary Clinton finds us funny. We have that going for us. I mean, we submitted the speeches before we knew she was going to be the guest speaker, and I'm so relieved that we did. I think we would have been absolutely losing our minds. but yeah I mean it was so nerve-wracking on the day we were so aware that Hillary was there but also all of our professors and all these people

who are like campus celebrities to you but we got up there looked at each other and were able to kind of just lock in and be like I have to just focus on the person in front of me but it was crazy we got to meet her afterwards and she was very complimentary and she said she liked some other joke and we were like oh that's very nice

and then watching back it was so weird to realize the joke she really laughed at was the really raunchy joke that we made up there. What is the timeline that you put this on YouTube? Because I'm guessing this is just my guess, no expectations whatsoever. Oh, 100%. We put it on YouTube so that our grandparents could see it, frankly. And I think look back of our minds, we were like, let's give it a title that is a little

bit like, look, we wanted to be comedy writers. We were like, let's say Yale graduation speaker, not Ben and Rebecca, your grandchildren to do that sketch that they told you that. We had an eye towards it for sure. But in the days that followed, we were sort of like, okay, nothing has come of it. It was getting 100 views and then 200 views, 400, 800. And then as we looked more closely in the coming weeks, it was literally doubling every day. So the experience of sort of like, quote unquote, going viral sometimes, I guess, looks like that.

And certainly our first time. And yet, it kind of didn't stop. And still, in some ways, it was large in our lives, yeah. million views. So at one point, Rebecca, are you contacted by UTA for representation? Which is, I mean, in terms of getting a break, to get an agent is very, very hard. And it's a lot of times people going to them, but they come to you. At what point did they see this and they come to you? How quickly did that happen? I mean, we were incredibly, incredibly lucky. We, you know, I think a few weeks after graduation, I mean, luckily when we were in college, we knew we wanted to be

comedy writers. So Ben and I had been writing together for years. We'd written TV scripts and then rewritten the TV scripts and realized the movie script was terrible and wrote that again. So I think we had always sort of known that if we were lucky enough to get an opportunity, we wanted to be able to strike on it. And we wanted to be able to slide sketches across the table and scripts across the table and say like, hey, please take a chance on us. Here's our material. Here's what our voice sounds like. So, yeah, I mean, we went out to L.A. after graduation to start taking some meetings, and luckily, we met our agents who just took this insane chance on us and absolutely changed

our lives. Yeah. We sat them down the other day, and we were like, we need to ask, what the hell were you thinking? I mean, it's an insane calculus that, like, we now that we have been in a position where we've, you know, hired writers, we would never, we would never do that. But we're very glad that they were, like, drunk that night that they decided to pick up the phone, yeah. It was highly, highly unusual, and I can only really think of maybe two or three late night teams in the history of late night that I know with the Stangle brothers, Mahal and Barry, who were prolific on Letterman and Carson, and the two of you. I asked Arthur Meyer, who's the best packet by far of anybody he ever read, and he said the two of you.

He was 100%. He said that you really took your time with. it and it made him laugh and did you write a song or something that he wrote a song so he was right on that but he told me that the two of you so in the timeline of uta come into you how how long do you spend on the fallon packet and how does that all come about such a good question we i don't know a record do you have a sense of that i'm trying to remember i But that time of life was like... Let me think.

I believe, if I'm not mistaken, what we did was we submitted some sketches that we'd already written that were sort of just representative of our voice, so things that we'd written together in school. I know we submitted a few pages of monologue jokes, and I believe some thank you notes as well. And then the last piece of the puzzle was trying to write some stuff that was topical. So if I'm not mistaken, I think it was a song parody to shallow. Like a Lady Gaga, Radley Borgheim. He just said it was a great packet. You're outing us.

About like the midterms, maybe. Did the show come to you? Is that true that the show heard about you and they wanted you to submit? You know what it was? We shared an agent with the headwriter at the time. Amy Ozzles. For Amy Osells, who is a genius. And I think he thought she would really get us.

um she was a uh harvard just i mean she was a harvard lawyer she is a harvard graduate and lawyer i believe um and just an insane insanely um brilliant mind and i think he thought that despite the very serious school rivalry she might uh she might get us and when we had our first get out i think he's like oh you're you're all dorks like you would get along and be nerdy together exactly but she read She read our packet and I guess liked it and she passed that along with our graduation speech to Jimmy. So I think my understanding is the first thing he thought of ours was our graduation speech. But again, just another example of what were they thinking, but also, oh my God, we're so happy they were thinking it. I mean, we got to sit down with Jimmy and I still remember the feeling of sitting across the desk from him and he had our packet out in front of us and he had like little things scribbled in the margins. And just that feeling, he He had, like, little tease, because that was his signal for, I'm sure it still is, for, like, when he wants to try a joke. And there was, but we didn't know what it meant, but we just knew that he had written, like, Jimmy Fallon had read our writing and was annotating it and had thoughts about it. I mean, it was just deeply out of body.

It was reading our sketch in a character voice that he thought would be right for it, which was talk about history. Remember, super surreal. March 20th, 2019, was one of you publicly announced on Twitter now X that you've got to, hired on Fallon. And I know that the first piece that you did was Beto O'Rourke. And Rebecca, you almost were in the sketch, but it was like five minutes beforehand. They realized somebody in Gravix, I think maybe looked a little bit. Like, who were you supposed to play again? His wife? I was a place supposed to play Mrs. O'Rourke. I mean, one of the niches that we found ourselves falling into early in our time on Fallon was writing political sketches for him. You know, we came

during the midterms, as per our brilliant shallow parity. But, I'm sorry, not during the midterms, during the primaries. We're there during the presidential primaries because it was this very exciting thing where for the first time there were all of these Democrats being announced that were pretty new to the scene. And, you know, that was, there was better O'Rourke and Pete Buttigieg and Bernie was going again, and Biden was running.

And what was really fun was Jim was really down to do some impressions of these people. And a lot of these people hadn't been impersonated before. You know, Jimmy is obviously a master impressionist. So to get the opportunity in some cases to, you know, see Beto O'Rourke's announcement video the night before and get an email saying, hey, Jimmy might want to do something on this tomorrow. Can you write up a few pages? We would just like stay up half the night watching the speech and really trying to hone in on, you know, like, what's the thing about it? Like, what's the take? What's the fun? funny, not mean, but sort of funny observation.

So our first one was Beto, and I remember so distinctly, Jimmy, we brought it in that day, and Jimmy read through it. And what's so incredible about him is he such a study of performance and people that, you know, within 30 seconds, he's dropped into that character, and he's making observations that are infinitely better than anything one of the writers could have come up with. But he's riffing and we're writing it down and we're adding jokes. And then we got that it was going to be on the air that night. So exciting. And then 2021 was when Wanda Vision was this phenomenon, you did Fallon Vision. How did that come about from coming up with that idea to then Elizabeth Olson is a part of that? What was the process of that? It's so funny. Our headwriter at

the time, Ben, called us, and she was like, Ben, I know that you're an insane Marvel nerd. Elizabeth Olson's coming on the show. What about a Wanda Vision parody? And it was really dropped the phone. So he hadn't heard anything after Elizabeth Olson is coming on the show. This has been a recurring thing in our partnership where it's like I was too excited and way too close to it to come up with anything good or even passable. And Rebecca, who Rebecca just on the spot said, okay, what if it's bringing Jimmy through time and rifted out with our headwriter in real time while I was like, my God, what is Elizabeth Olson going to think about me? And like, I do have a theory about the mindstone. I'm not sure if I should run it by.

So it was really credit to our head writer and Rebecca. But the production of that was this very strange thing. When we were, it was really deep COVID still, which was a big part of the story of the sketch. But we were at home trying to prove graphics from afar, zooming in through iPads and for what was a legitimately sizable. And so, such a beautiful, frankly, production as they time travel through late night. It was pretty awesome to see, albeit from afar. I will say, I mean, that was all of the departments on The Tonight Show were just off of their class. Unbelievable.

But this was maybe my favorite sketch, just watching them in action. I mean, I feel like everyone got really creatively invested in it. And, you know, for those who haven't seen, it's a sketch where basically, you know, the premise of Bond Division. She's traveling through these different eras of TV comedies. And we're watching every episode as she sort of glitches and finds herself in the next step. decade. So we did sort of a similar thing with the late night talk show. Jimmy starts as sort of, I think like a Carson take and then, you know, moves on and he's Letterman for a while. And what was so amazing about it was not only did Jimmy's outfits change and the way that they shot

it changed, but also the roots constructed a different version of the Tonight Show theme song for every era that felt evocative of the late night shows of that era. And the hair and makeup team got in there and was just so brilliant about like these little subtle changes and the wardrobe and the sets were all built out to be sets from those various eras. It was just so cool. Including Jimmy's late night era, which was very fun to revisit as well, getting the desk from upstairs where it sits on the, what is it, the ninth floor as a sort of like tourist destination. And that day, no tourist gets set at the old late night desk because we had it for the sketch. A lot of times people in late night stay for a long time. There was a gentleman who writes

for Colbert named J. Katzier, and he spoke at his college graduation, and John Stewart was a speaker, and saw him speak, and that's how he got hired at the Colbert report. And that was the other one. I just wanted for the people listening, and that there was a big break with graduation, which you also had. But I wanted to ask, because two years, a lot of times people will stay much, much longer, but you're in this unique situation where you had a lot going on, and you actually go on as guests, and you're promoting your book, Naked and the ride share. What was that like to be guest? And also just to have the roots play you on. And I don't know how many people know Gabe Kaplan and Welcome Back, Cotter, but the theme song, Welcome Back was so apropos and

just such a special thing that they'd welcome back. I love the fact that they chose that for you, both. I have chills with as Mark describes it. I'm like, it was so special. It was so, so special. It was incredibly emotional. I mean, I think, honestly, we were very aware that Jimmy would not usually have on two kind of unknown book writers to promote a book that nobody had read at that point. But it was just an incredibly sweet gesture on his part, and it was so much fun. I mean, it was, A, felt like going back to your old school, like all of the smells come back to you and everyone's rushing over and you're hugging them. And it was just so special to be back in that environment again. But also just to be, be kind of on the other side of it. I mean, we spent so long waiting for those staggered arrival times when the guests would show up in the various dressing rooms and, you know, watching the talent coordinators wait outside the door to knock and then run them through the interviews and all of that stuff that, you know, became such a part of our routine to find yourself on the other side of it and getting handled and feeling like a guest in this environment

was just so cool. And obviously, when we saw Jimmy, we just jumped into his arms. And it was just It was really fun. You got a lot of laughs. I hope he, if he's smart, I'll have you back for your new show on FX adults, which we're going to talk about in just a moment. But before I do that, I want to ask you,

H, when you were writing for Fallon for those two years, what is the most Larry Sanders show moment, maybe one or two that you each experienced? Oh, my gosh. There are too many. When I think about the sort of confluence, it's also hard for me to divorce, the amazing talk about Amy Ozel's Larry,

Sanders parody that they did for the 1,000th episode on Fallon, which was this incredible meta thing. If listeners haven't seen, it's super worth going back to check out. It's one of my favorite episodes of Fallon. It's so special. Yeah. To me, those memories, and I'll stall as a rec you think of, I'm sure, of much better and funnier story, but it's like those days where you are running down the hall to try and find Lin-Manuel Miranda because we are changing a lyric of the song parody, and he needs to know. because the cue card's going to change and he's going to be confused. But there's a llama crossing because there is some animal segment that maybe just got cut.

And so all of the Wranglers are moving out. And they're pissed off. And then- The llamas and the wranglers. But only one of them is fitting. So the tasks and the obstacles to me were always as heightened. And Larry Sanders, as you could possibly imagine. Rebecca, did that by time for you to think of anything else?

First of all, I thought it was a great answer. Oh, yeah. I mean, we had a moment where a politician who's shown him nameless, his team kept pitching us raunchy jokes for a slow jam, and we had to finally be like, hey, I think this is, we love this for you, but we're set now. So that was incredible. Being like, you've actually, we have to hold the line now, and we can't make that in you and know about.

the candidate on the show, which was a real role reversal, considering our job is often to try to push guests to sort of go out there and do something a little bit more risque than they would think. So that was a dream and a joy. I remember so distinctly we had this moment where we had to hire a child actor for something. And the whole point was she was supposed to be playing like a middle schooler. And I remember so distinctly getting this email. being like, hey, Casey, let's call her Casey. Casey's on her way to the dentist right now. She's going to, she has braces, but her mom is going to remove them in advance of this sketch. And I remember so distinctly being on the phone, being like, who do we have to call? Get us in touch with Casey's mom.

Do not take these prices off this poor child. So I think if people get excited, it was fun. I mean, it was always something great that Casey got to keep her braces, I will say. But I heard their since come off. So it's all good. I mean, thank God because those two, you know. Saturday night I was walking around the city and a cab passed by. And it was advertising your upcoming show.

And I'm guessing you've just seen the advertising all over the place, which is amazing. To get your own show, adults, it's going to be on FX. What was that whole, from the time you came up with the situation and getting Nick Kroll involved to, I mean, getting a show on the air is like winning the lottery. by, I mean, the odds, just everything that you two have done is so far. Unbelievable timing. It's just, it's unbelievable to look at. But what was that process like with the show? It's so interesting.

We met, we first met Nick, even though he does not remember this, when he was a guest on the Tonight Show. We were producing an impression-based game or sketch with him and Jimmy. And it was really, he's such a pro at this. We barely needed to be there, but we go into his dressing room. we sit on the couch, he's getting groomed, and he's riffing in real time what his state-thum impression is going to be. He's working on a stathom impression that he's never done before. And Rebecca and I are just on the floor laughing from this man, which, of course, it's a

crow and he's like, but in that moment, he's just some guy in a room that, you know, at our workplace that we've never met before. And we just had a sense of like, oh, my God, this guy just is able to find the funny in such a deep way, and not in a way that, and just he never settled. And when it came time for us, we had this idea. We had this idea before we were on the tonight show because it was just very much about a time of life or something super high concept about it. It's just what if we did a friend group comedy for right now about your 20s and specifically that time of life that you were asking around earlier, Mark, which is like when you graduate and the world is your oyster except no, it's not. You're in a best case scenario living at home.

and in our case it's these five friends who are all crashing in one of their childhood homes and when it came time to sort of move on from this show and figure out what was next

we had two thoughts we were like that show while we're still young we want to try to do it and Nick Kroll who we know from this very liminal

tonight show experience is just so freaking funny and was so kind he knows how to do these emotional coming of age comedies better than anyone in a tone that really spoke to us.

We were just such big fans of his from so many of his projects, but specifically Big Mouth is just one of our favorite shows. And I think the way that he has managed to, you know, both capture all of the discomfort and the comedy and the cringe of, you know, being an adolescent and, you know,

all of those feelings of like, do my friends hate me? And why is this person moving faster than me? And I'm angry, but I'm also upset. also insecure and I'm also so excited and he just did it better than anyone and you know blending the raunch of the jokes on that show with the emotion of suddenly crying about the jokes on the show you know so when we got it in we really said you know we want to do big mouth in live action for your early 20s all of the humor and hopefully the heart of the second hardest horniest time of your life and he said yes which is

crazy. Are you on set for everything? Are you doing alt lines and do you let them improvise? It's wild. We in our capacity as producers on the show are their own set every single day. It is, it's

an interesting parallel to late night honestly because when we first, you know, for instance, hands it in that Beto O'Rourke sketch and we heard it was a go, we were like, fantastic. We have the day off. We're going to kick our feet up and we're going to watch it on the monitors. Little do you know, little did we know that, you know, hair, makeup, sets, props, you know, graphics, they all materialize

and your tiny, tiny, in our case, windowless office, and 30 rock, and they're like, what's the vision, what's the styling, what's the look, we have to set this, we need to cast two kids, and we're like, we didn't even, you know, we had no sense that that's what it was, but that's what it is on to be a late night writer. You're the executive producer of your own sketches. I shouldn't speak for all late shows, but as you well know, Mark, any sort of SNL offshoots, Fallon at this point. course, included Seth, and I know for my time at Conan as well, that's just the case. It's pretty much the exact same thing. That's a little microcosm of what it is to make your own show. And we were so lucky that we got to sort of dive into the deep end on late night and

know what it meant to, you know, if you need an alt-line, like you said, Mark, they're looking at you, whether it be your actors, your fellow producers to figure out what it was. So it's a lot of thinking on the fly, a lot of really fast decision-making. And in our case, really trusting your partner to help execute. Rebecca, can you share one thing that maybe, from your own life that got in the show? Was there anything specific? If not, some of the things are very outlandish. So if you'd rather not plead the fit, that's fine.

No pressure. Honestly, I would say 80% of the stuff in the show is either something that happened to us or happened to a friend of ours. And hopefully that comes through in the way you experience it. You know, I think as much as the show is crazy and raunchy and you're watching them

do these really embarrassing things, we have a lot of empathy for our characters. And I think our best case scenario is each of these stories and each of these plot lines, you could kind of picture your friend's friend doing that and them telling you with a, oh my God, you won't believe how I screwed up the other day and laughing your way through it with them. One for my own life, I will say, is everything in the, you're trying to cut a check scene, I think has happened to both Ben and me so many times, just all of the logistics of adult life, figuring out how to return a package, figuring out how, I feel like what we have learned,

at the DMV, like all of those little mundanities and bureaucracies that just feel so much harder than you were expecting. I think we channeled a lot of our own pathos into that. Congratulations. Not only on this show, it's premiering two episodes on FX. This is Wednesday, the 28th of May, and then all eight episodes streaming the next day on Hulu. But congratulations on your engagement. I know people that have been engaged sometimes for years and years. That's not an engagement that you're having, it's actually going to happen sometimes. What would you say Rebecca? Yeah. I mean, I think it's been about a year and a half now, and we're really planning on doing it

this summer unless something else comes up. Congratulations. No, I mean, thank you so much. What's so fun is Ben and I love collaborating and we love working together creatively. So I think in a lot of ways, it's all been an extension of that. It's all been about picking wardrobe and flowers and music in some cases. So we have a lot of fun doing it in whatever form it comes. And just really quickly, Mark, I have to say I could not agree more about Amita and the cast. We have magically found these five unbelievably talented comedic voices who in some cases are pretty

fresh faces, but they're all just, we're so, so excited for people to watch them on screen. They're just unbelievable. They do light up. And the two of you just continued success. This was wonderful. Thank you so much for just sharing. your lives and your career and your journey and just everything you're doing. I know good things are had for both of you for sure.

Thank you so much, Mark. And again, means so much to join the storied roster of late night writers and folks that you've had on so many of whom are friends of ours and idols of ours. So it really means a lot. We're so honored. Thank you. This was so much fun.

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