Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - AARON ASHMORE: Learning From Trauma, Twin Rivalries & No More Mr. Nice Guy

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Aaron Ashmore (Smallville, Killjoys) joins us this week to share his shared experience in this industry working on a hit series like Smallville, while also diving into the very unique experience of what it’s like to navigate Hollywood with an identify twin sibling (Shawn Ashmore). Aaron talks about the surprise of landing the role as Jimmy Olsen on Smallville despite his brother appearing in the show during its inception; plus he gets into what rubbed him the wrong way with how they dealt with the canon of his DC character. We also talk about the trauma that helped him unknowingly develop as an actor, having back bone, and rivalries that come with growing up as an adolescent twin. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🛏️ Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Aaron is so open, right? Yeah. He was open. He talked about his divorce. He talked about the kids. He talked about his career. He talked about his time on Smallville. Some things he didn't like finding out.

So a lot of cool stuff. Let's get inside of Aaron Ashmore. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Yeah, so I was in L.A. And we spoke at that point. We were going to maybe do this then, right?

Yeah. I was not feeling well and all this. but I was staying with my brother and he's in Woodland Hills just at the base of Topanga Canyon and you know obviously the fires have been close and we were watching everything but we were fine and when I flew home

you know Sean dropped me off of the airport when I got home I texted him thank you so much for you know having us great trip all this stuff and he said we've been evacuated and I laugh like I was like oh you're joking and he's like no seriously like we got evacuated about five hours after you left so and they were fun you know it was all good it's all fine

but scary how quickly that stuff can change and how just yeah powerful those fires are it's insane it was it was insane it was just like uh you know and you're you're getting you're seeing friends messages and you know my friend kimmie lost her house her and chat and uh you know a lot of people think in the palisade it's all you know rich people and that's just not entirely true and uh of course they were hard hard working family and um lost everything you know all that was left standing was the chimney so My brother's friends lost the business in the palisades. You know, they've been working on it for a decade.

I was hanging out with Sam, him and his wife on this business. Two days later, gone. You know, like we were just hanging out with them. And that's your like, dream, having your own business and like, yeah. Yeah. So it's just devastating, you know. And the thing that drove me crazy is it being very politicized, you know, like, I'm there and I'm watching all this stuff. And it's like all the news.

Everything is always politicized. I know. I know. It's like everything is always, why can't you just be, you know, a good human? That's it. Well, speaking of good humans, Canada always has provided us with some great humans, you being one of them. We do. We do what we can, Michael.

Well, Canada seems, I mean, like you've been the best of both worlds. You've been here. You've been there. You live in Toronto. What would you say the big difference in terms of just overall feeling of living in Canada as opposed to living in United States is? Yeah. that's a really uh that's really interesting um yeah i mean the the difference to me is it's easier to see when you're sort of backed out of it and you're sort of looking at like that may be political

landscapes and how things are different but in the in how people are i think a lot of time especially in california i spend a lot of time in california to me i mean i don't see a big difference between between the two and you know obviously the yeah the bigger political elements and how the countries are run or maybe a little bit different, but, you know, I'm not always engaging in that. But people, when you get down to a human level, I feel like a lot of the time, there's not a big difference. To people, I feel like in Canada, they probably, I don't remember people always coming up to me and asking me for an autograph or pictures during the show or anything. Do people come up to you still in Canada and say, oh, hey, sure, but it's always respectful. It's always real

quick, you know, like, it's not, you know, everybody always says, like, if you're sitting down with your family, hey, didn't want to bug you. Like, maybe they're on the way out or while you're exiting or something, they'll just be like, hey, man, just, you know, really enjoyed the show or what, you know, that type of thing. So it's pretty, it's pretty laid back. It's pretty, uh, um, respectful, I guess in that. Did you, did you have a pretty good, um, childhood, uh, where your parents, like, uh, always supportive and very generous and like, you, you, I just saw your face. It's a little bit like, yeah. Like, well, uh, uh, both my parents, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful people super, um, they were not into the art. Um, they were not into the art. or anything like that at all, but they were very respectful and supportive of what we wanted to do. I was actually thinking about this because I, even though my dad was not an actor, I feel like, like, in a professional actor, I feel like in a lot of ways I learned to act for my dad. My dad was like, started out, like say even in his job, he started out in the warehouse and worked his all the way all the way up to like upper management later on in life.

And people were always like, oh, your dad's the funnest. But truth of the matter is, he was incredibly mentally ill, alcoholic, all this stuff. So I saw these different sides of like, oh, you can present yourself in a way that is very different from reality and see what that looks like. So I think on some level, even as a kid, watching those things, I sort of understood human behavior and sort of acting, you know, even not outside of a professional element, but just in how you can present yourself in these different ways and people respond to you in different ways. So my parents were lovely. My dad was a lovely man. Oh, is he not around? He's not around anymore.

He passed away about two, about three years ago. Cancer. Cancer got. How hard was that for you? Very, very, very. Obviously, difficult to see somebody you care so much about. And, you know, it's your dad. And again, like I said, my dad had his issues, but he, I, he was a, he was a good guy. And then so that's just obviously difficult to watch through. But also, like, I got kids now and knowing that they were never going to get to have the any sort of bigger relationship with him, super difficult. And also, I think a lot of people's experiences when their parents pass away,

it's any things that you may have wanted to to work out or settle, you know, figure out. Well, they're gone now. And there's no, there's no going back. There's no fixing those things that you may have wanted to or saying the things that you wanted to or didn't know what to say at the time. So that stuff gets me a little bit, things that I wish I'd said to him, conversations I wish we could have had. And of course, having him watch my kids grow up. Yeah. No, it is.

It's tragic. And, you know, they always say, you know, say what you need to say, but like it's never said enough or you always think you have time. For me, I think about that a lot. I'm getting older and, you know, my dad's 74. where my mom's 79 should be 79 and i think you know i've said everything in so many ways yeah via email via i i just conversations i sort of resigned to the fact that you can't change people absolutely um they have different personalities than than i do um i just when sometimes you just can't reach people sometimes you just can't what's that's a song ryan sometimes it's not you should

write one sometimes you just can't reach people but uh yeah i felt like i i asked myself that it's like what would you say it's like it does i can't say anything that's going to change anything there's no point in it for me there's no point and maybe for you there was but i have you know I've told my parents I love them I've been a good son I'm sure I have flaws but I hope that

when that time comes I don't have regrets of like I should have done this I should have done that I really feel like I'm in a good place with that I think even if you can have that conversation

and like you're thinking about those things then you'll do those things and I feel the same way like as soon as I knew that my dad was was in and wasn't going to make it. I mean, you do make time to have those conversations. But for some reason, it's just, I mean, it just is the, it's life. It's finite, right?

You just never have enough time. You can never, and I also feel like you can never say those things too many times. Like, I still, like, occasionally just be like, I just want to hang out with my dad today. I just want to, like, say, you know, have a conversation. Call them on the phone, you know? And it's like, everybody feels like that when they miss somebody. But it's hard to understand that until you've. actually gone through it and 100% did you told him you loved him of course yeah we we're like

we argued about a million things but at the end of the day we always were able to say that and express that um back and forth so you know that's that's probably thing that matters most right yeah we both know it we both know it yeah that that's what i say you know when my grandmother just passed in december and she was like a mom to me and she was she was she was awesome and um but the one thing I know is that she knew without a doubt how much I loved her. And I knew without a doubt how much he loved me. And to me, that's the most important thing. Even if you didn't say certain things and you didn't, I know and she knew. And to me, that really makes me feel good. I certainly, you know, look, my grandmother who passed away 23 years ago, I still sometimes want to pick up the phone and

call her. I still. I don't think it ever goes away, man. I just don't, I don't with those connections and those people, you just like, I can still hear my dad's voice. The weirdest thing. And I sort of said something to my mom at a search. She's moving now. So this may change. But my dad's voice is still on the answering machine if you call. And that's the only like so, you know, so every once in a while, it'll, it'll, she won't pick up or something. And it'll go. And I hear my dad's voice. And it's always. like a very bizarre do you get emotional a little bit because i always forget so just to hear you're not expecting him to answer the phone like that's not in my mind and obviously he's not but it's like

his voice is there and it's uh it's it's it's jarring when that happens but kind of nice too like i was almost going to tell her i'm like mom you got to you got to change that like it's kind of bizarre that he's been gone but at the same time i'm like ah who am i to say that like i i kind of like it when i when I actually yeah I have I'm not kidding see all these messages right here it says blanco

blanco blanco blanco those are all messages from my grandmother I have probably 30 or 40 I have amazing happy birthday singing happy birthday to me saying thanks for the flowers I just I don't even know what this is you know

Michael I want to thank you for the beautiful beautiful flowers nobody can have a grandson like you you know what i mean so i saved that stuff i just i feel it now but i'm like it's really a beautiful thing when you know how much somebody loved you unconditionally she never wanted me to buy her things she knew that i was doing well and i was on a show and i said i'm gonna buy you i don't need anything all i want is for you to be happy for you to find someone that loves you and you love them i don't i'd say you need a new tv i don't need a tv you need a new bed it's like a blinkin said on this slept in this bed i don't need a new bed but i would just get it for any

and she's so and she'd deal with it but like were you and sean both equally as close to him no we had very different relationships um i because you know even though my dad was a lovely guy there was a lot of tension in the house and I think I was very similar to him. So he and I would butt heads and Sean was what was the peacekeeper and still is like our personalities like Sean is very much like let's make it, you know, let's move it over. Let's make it. You know, he's more that side where I'm like happy to argue, happy to get into it. If I see something I don't like or people aren't talking about it in some dynamic, I'm like,

guys, what the hell is going on? Like you can't just ignore this, can't sweep it under the rug. So we had very different ways of approaching my dad. And I think Sean had the thing of like, Dad is Dad. He's not going to change. So I'm just going to completely just accept him. So if there's weird behavior, I'm not going to call him out. I'm just going to where I, when I was younger, I didn't have that ability. I was like, well, hold on a sec. Like, if I was acting like this or somebody else was acting like this, we would talk about it. But because that, you know, that type of thing. So I'm like that too. Similar in many ways, but we also, our personalities are, I don't know if it's because we're twins and we had to sort of differentiate ourselves. certain ways but we definitely have very different personality you sort of were the one and that's me where if someone says something i don't like i address it yeah i do not i go you know my dad says something i go that's not true and he does not like being called out nor does my mother well i'm the

like i i feel like i have this complex in my family that i'm the one who is like always getting in shit and everybody's angry at whatever because i I'm, I kind of push the envelope because if not, people wouldn't talk about these things. I feel like sometimes these things wouldn't get addressed. And so I'm kind of feel like I'm the bad guy sometimes in the dynamic. Everybody's like, oh, here goes Aaron again. But I'm like, guys, like, if not, I can't just sit on this. Like, we need to talk about this. Like, we can't just let this. I'm not a push over. You know, so, you know, it's, it's interesting. Yeah. Inside of You is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you

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Download the Rocket Money app and enter my show name inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum in the survey so they know I sent you. you don't wait download the rocket money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with michael rozenbaum rocket money growing up was it um was there a rival rivalry with you and your brother was there constant outdoing each other yeah i mean i think on the surface we would say that we got along really well and we did in a lot of ways love each other like very very good

friends but being twins everybody wants to put you in the same box you're not allowed to be individuals you are you're the twins right like that's what people hey hey 20s hey it's the twins all the sort of stuff fine when you're really little but as you get a little bit older you want to have your own personality you want to have people be able to and so i think that there was a lot of conflict around that. Not so much that he and I disliked each other in any way, but just that conflict of trying to define who you are to the rest of the world when the rest of the world wants to put you as a singular being, two people as a singular being. That's literally what people want to do with twins. So I think there was a lot of fighting and competition and whatever

to just define ourselves as individuals. And that's easy to say now. At the time, I wouldn't have known that that was happening. It's sort of just in sort of looking back to those years. But yeah, we definitely, we got in a couple fist fights. And there's like real fist fights. Oh yeah. Like punch in the face. Yeah. I punched Sean real hard in the side of the head. He got all bruised up on time. He was he insulted, was talking not very nicely about a girl I was dating. And I'd had enough. And I punched him in the side of the head. And then he tackled. Was it unexpected? Did I think we were pushing back and forth and stuff.

Like I threw the first punch for sure. Like I don't think it was a cheap shot, but we were kind of pushing back and forth. But I don't, we hadn't really punched each other up until that point. How old were you? Grade nine, grade 10, 14. Was that the beginning of kind of the, I wanted to use a word that probably doesn't, isn't real? Just use it. Guess I'm going to come up with a word right now.

Frictitious relationship. Ooh, no idea what that means. It's not, yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I wanted to make it up. It's not a word. No, was there a lot of friction? I'd say when we were younger, we'd, there was a, we'd fight a little bit and bicker and stuff.

But yeah, that was sort of, I think in high school, that's when I really wanted to differentiate myself and define myself. So, yeah, I think that that's when things sort of got a little bit more, um, volatile is probably, I don't know if the, the relationship was volatile, but a little bit more, um, yeah, we're fighting a little bit more in high school for sure. And our friends would egg us on, right? You know, like, they'd just be like, they'd say, hey, who's the tougher twin? Do you hear what Sean said?

He was talking, you know what I mean? Like, even though that never happened and then we'd fight and the guys would love that and stuff. So, yeah, you always get egged on to. So you've had the bigger temper out of the both of you, which is funny because knowing you, and I haven't known you that long, but on Smallville, and we'll talk about that, I was like, this is the nicest guy in the world. but you know you don't just don't don't don't fuck with you sometimes you don't like to get

fucked with yeah that that's it like I'm totally cool most of the time but I also like if somebody's doing something that I don't like I have no problem um stepping I'll give you an example something that happened this year and I feel like I'm like oh why am I talking about this but it sort of plays into it so there's a I work out at a gym close to close by to my house been there for about six years. And there's this big dude there, this big trainer, super loud. It's like a little boutique gym. He's always cursing and swearing.

There's a lot of older people in the gym, 60s, 70s, and a lot of women and stuff. And this guy's just big and loud and brash, always swearing, da, da, da. But nobody messes with him because he's big. Exactly. And he's a trainer there. So you're like, okay, whatever. So I've been hearing this swearing and just being obnoxious for a year. And eventually one day I just had enough.

And I said, hey, like a call to cross the gym. It's not a big gym. There's a bunch of people there. And I was like, hey, man, do you mind like just cutting the cursing out? Because it's like, I'm here to work out. I'm not here to listen to you guys like talking shit and cursing and all this sort of stuff. And instead of him being, sorry, brother. Yeah, absolutely.

We keep it down. He said, oh, when I'm done here, we're going to have a conversation. I'm going to sit you down and have a conversation. And I, so I stood up and I walked over. I said, well, what are we going to talk about? I asked you to stop swearing. Like, that's it. Like, that's it.

there doesn't need to be a conversation. And he said to me, well, this is an adult's only gym so I can say whatever I want. And then my thing was like, well, that's the stupidest fucking rule I've ever heard. And he said, well, you're swearing. And I'm like, well, dude, you said we can say whatever we want. And then he proceeded to kick me out of the gym, like canceled my membership, all that sort of stuff. So it's just those things where I'm like, and again, as I'm being kicked out, people are like, what's that all about? Like, a couple older people. And I was like, oh, this trainer's just, you know, I asked him to stop swearing and I kind of, you know, it was a bit of a jerk about it, but I had enough of it. And they're like, oh, that guy, yeah,

he's loud about that. It also is. So it just is what it is. Sometimes when I see something, I'm like, and I could have done it in a more respectful way, but I could hear the song playing in the background. It was no more Mr. Nice guy. No more Mr. Mr. Clee. Is that Alice Cooper? Is that Alice Cooper. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, yeah, I think I heard that was, that was my soundtrack so just things like that yeah no but that's that dude i'm not gonna that's of course i've done i had the same thing with some guy who was way bigger than me and he was just really laying into me and like being a jerk and i finally said listen if you do it again i'm gonna punch you in the face and i'm telling you right now you're gonna kick my ass but you're gonna bleed i'm

gonna get one in so that's and i was so upset he got me because i wasn't mad at first And he just goes, all right, take it easy, buddy. Look at this guy like that. But like he backed off. But I was telling him, I go, you do it again. I'm going to punch you in the face. That's what's going to happen right now. I was so upset.

Yeah, well, sometimes I think that's healthy too. You know, it's like sometimes people, well, and people say that, you know, aggression is bad and all this sort of stuff. And I do like, you know, you have to control it. But I think there sometimes are legitimate responses to other people acting in a certain way. And, you know, we all have different ways of figuring out what that. But I'm like sometimes a little bit of an aggression or anger or whatever is the correct response in situations, right? Yeah.

So I know. It's tough. Look, you've done so many things. I mean, I loved Warehouse 13. I thought that was dope. It's my. Killjoys. You've done Veronica Mars.

How was Kristen Bell working with? Amazing. She really is amazing to work. I tested for that show. for one of the regulars and so I'd read with Kristen and I'd sort of met her and auditioned with her and from day one I was like well A I was like this girl's super cute like she was just and her energy and stuff too just super cute um very cool and she was just so good she brought something to it I was like this this girl is going to be a star you know like I was just like she's great

uh I didn't get book that role but then they said hey do you want to come back and do like a few episodes as like sort of like a love interest sort of for christen the first few episodes and i was like absolutely like i am there so yeah it was great getting a chance to work with her and meet her and i still remember the first so i did the first season of um ronica mars and then the next year was when i got uh i booked smallville so and i think it was also the first year that it went from like a wb the wb to c w i remember going to a big party and seeing all the verona kamar's cast there being like and they're like what are you doing here and i was like oh i'm on i'm on smallville now so i was just like uh we'll be seeing you guys around uh and erika was there too that was the

first time i met erika uh and yeah so i had such a crush on her and my buddy ended up marrying her but like there was one moment where i you know she says that i just blew her off and i don't really I remember that I never would have blown off Kristen Bell. Of course, you're friends with Dax. Yeah. Yeah. And then we met. She met him through me.

I think they met one time before, but like at the hockey game, we were at hockey game and she was there. And, um, Dax, uh, she asked me for, he asked me, she asked me for his number or something. Or no, he asked me for her number and I gave it to him. Yeah. And that was it. So I'm responsible. did you audition for i think we talked about this you didn't audition for jimmy elson did you did yeah it was like the easiest audition process i there was one scene i believe it was one scene

uh put it on tape did like you know one or two takes it was a pretty straightforward scene and that was it i got a call two weeks later being like hey hop on a plane to vancouver you're going to play jimmy olson so it was like the easiest auditioning process but you didn't think you were going to get it in fact when you were going into this audition what were you thinking I was like, what's the point in me auditioning one of my twin brothers who has already been prominently featured on the show as a bad guy? Like, there's just like, it seems pointless. But everybody was like, you know what? It's a great role.

Like, maybe they'll see you for something else. You know what I mean? If you do a good job, maybe they'll be like, hey, we can see you for something else. So that was literally, I almost didn't audition because I was like, this seems like a waste of time. But it surely was not. Were you shocked when you got it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because I was like, how is this going to work? I think when we spoke on the other thing, too, I was like, There's got to be some sort of reference. We have to make a little reference about like Clark or Chloe being like, have we met before or something like this? Because I was like, I look so much like Sean. But I don't know, man. I don't know.

Were you kind of fooled at first, Ryan? When you saw him, where you're like, wait a minute. Well, I've been prepped. Oh, you were prepped. But there was a little comment, wasn't there? Was there a little comment? No, I wanted to say. I sort of pitched something.

Didn't you improvise something? Well, I wanted to say, like, just something like, if Clark has been like, have we, have we met before? Like, even just something as small as that. And it's like, no, but they didn't. I said, we got to say something like this. But I think it was James Marshall was directing the episode maybe. And he was like, he did not respond to that at all.

No smile, no nothing. I was like, all right, never mind. Never mind. It's my first day here. So I won't push. I always find that if you're going to say something and add something, never ask. Never fucking ask. Just do it.

And it's either going to be like, it's the first time they've heard it. and they look around and everybody else is smiling or laughing. They're like, oh, okay. Because it's a confidence thing. They don't really believe. They're like, oh, you know, you just got to do it. Yeah, I totally agree with you.

If they don't like it, they just don't have to use it, right? You don't have to, but at least you get to do what you want to do. Did you ask Sean about how his time was on Smallville before you worked on Smallville? Yeah, well, we talked about it. I mean, at the time when he did that episode, the first episode, where he stole Clark's powers like I remember watching it and just being like this is awesome like he's chucking cars around and kicking everybody's butt and I was like dude this is a great role for you so uh I thought it was super cool and we talked about it and he said it was a great experience like just

he he loved working with Allison um and I think Tom I mean I think he really worked with Allison and Tom so and he said it was a great really really how was your time like uh work because you worked a lot with Allison um yeah was it was easy to work with her absolutely she was lovely she was very um like welcoming and inviting and even i you know like uh her boyfriend chad like they would invite me out to go for hikes and stuff like that with their dog like we like she was super cool and uh she is a very very good actor she she she's solid she absolutely you know um she brings a lot to the character and that was great to get a chance to work with her because she would yeah she made it really

easy. Yeah, she was always a joy to work with. Did she ever mention any of that stuff that she was doing? Did you ever know about it? Did she ever say, hey, you want to come for a meeting? Well, in retrospect, like I did, I remember, like, some of the girls on set, not even some of the guest stars and came, come in with sort of talk. They were all sort of socially hung out and maybe some of that stuff, but I didn't really hear about it. I did, I did go to a bunch of script readings that Allison and her friends had organized and maybe that was some of that was part of the I don't know but you didn't feel any of that you didn't know any of that was going on not at all would never were you how shocked were you when you read the news dude like my job was on the floor like I it seemed

like it could be I didn't I knew Allison really well for those three years we worked together like and nothing in her personality would have led me to believe that any of this was possible so it seemed like an alternate reality. It seemed like a what are you talking about type scenario. Yeah, because in the beginning, it's, you know, it seems like, and I watched the documentary and everything, but, you know, like, oh, this is a good thing. They're helping people with their confidence and finding purpose and all these things. And you're thinking, hey, I could use some of that. But then you see where it goes and you see what the craziness. It obviously got really intense and crazy. And you're like, how does it become that? Why can't something just be good?

Why does it always have to become something horrible? Yeah. Well, unfortunately, human nature, you know, I mean, I think a lot of people are looking for something. They don't know what it is, you know? And people will pray on that, you know? Like people have traumas. They have, you know, whatever, families, all sorts of shit that they're trying to look for answers for. And there's always going to be somebody out there who's going to take advantage of that.

Like, unfortunately, I think that that's a huge. part of um yeah a lot of people's mo is is yeah sure we'll help you but we want you know we're going to get something out of it though yeah people always want something in return it's not that yeah nothing's that easy nothing is that simple inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before i got this awesome sixty dollar cashmere sweater i wear it religiously you can get all sorts of amazing amazing clothing for such reason prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the

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I'm not enjoying acting anymore. I'm not enjoying the industry. I just like to do something else. dude i've gone on that roller coaster ride many times um and i've sort of um basically come to a place where i just feel really grateful to be doing this as a career even if it drives me crazy sometimes like sometimes when i'm sitting around and there's no opportunities or i'm waiting on something or whatever i mean as a a man who you know i got a mortgage i got kids i got all this you know stuff and sitting around waiting for you know somebody to say hey yeah we're going for another season

drives me crazy but it's it's really the only thing that i know um if like i didn't go to school i don't have like a formal education post-secondary in any in any way do you need one in this day and age look at well look at everybody on the internet well look at social media i don't think i don't think you don't need a job look at this you can make five thousand dollars a month if you just read excerpts from books fair enough so there there's always ways to make money but i'm like i don't know what that thing would be so and i've you know to me i'm like i'm going to keep chasing this and going after it until i can't make a living at it anymore like that's sort of been my my thing and i'm 45 and so far so good but i know that uh you know it's it's there's no guarantees in this

business there's no guarantees in this life so i just feel really fortunate um that i can still be doing it making a living and I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. But the roller coaster has been real, man. There's been lots of times where I was just like, what am I doing? Like, this is insane. Is it because you like, maybe you weren't getting work or you weren't enjoying work or what was the reason for? I think a little bit of both. I mean, obviously when you're not working, it's easy to be like, this is stupid. But also like sometimes depends on the jobs. Like I've worked on like smallville, a lot of the jobs I've worked on. I've had great experiences and I felt like I'm doing good work and it's progressing my career. But then there's lots of other like

independent movies or little TV movies or like guest star things or I'm like I'm not enjoying this at all it's not a great role it's just a job but then I have to remember it's like well but that's everybody everybody's got to work and lots of people work jobs where you don't have the benefits that you do for this job so even if it's something that's creatively unfulfilling I still try and be very very uh just happy to be doing something that other people would kill to do great like that's just sort of forget right like that I I'm in a position that 20 years ago I would have killed to be in. So you have to perspective sometimes.

No, 100%. And hindsight is 2020. Sometimes you have to learn that and realize, realize that. And, you know, because there were times where I was not thinking about, I was just thinking of my unhappiness or my whatever. And then when you're able to take a step back and look from the outside in and go, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky.

Yeah. Why am I so lucky? Why do I deserve this? Well, there's, yeah, I mean, some hard work, some luck, some natural. I mean, you know, it's it is what it is. But I do think it's important to, yeah, be like, this is it. We're lucky to be able to do what we do and not to say that it doesn't have its ups and downs, but I, what the hell else would you rather be doing, right? This is the business to be in.

You know, I haven't seen the show. So this is the first time I'm seeing it as we watch it. So I haven't seen much of you other than when you came on screen. I was like, whoa, he's got, he just like, just the energy, the, the, the show just was fun. You create an element of fun. Did you never watch the show? No, I watched the first couple seasons a little bit here and there. And then I just kind of zoned out.

Yeah, I guess, I guess by that point, you're like, I get what the show is. Some are big episodes, but like, I didn't see you at all. Yeah. And so now that I'm seeing you, I'm like, oh my gosh, look how much like you just have so much charisma. and you bring so much to the screen that you just pop. Was there a time? What's the whole Brian Singer Superman Returns kind of story? Is that true?

And explain it if it is. Well, all I know about that scenario is that Mike Dordy and Dan Harris, who wrote X-Men 2 and became very good friends with my brother and Brian. Like they're all, they were kind of a team that then moved over to do the Superman stuff. and Dan and Mike and Brian I think were like well Sean would be a great Jimmy Olson but Fox I believe said or whoever had the rights like the X-Men stuff because he was still doing the X-Men movies was like no like there's just no even though it doesn't conflict it's not sort of anything they just basically were like no you're not going to

go do a big DC franchise and again I think because Brian had left the X-Men stuff to go do that it was a bit of like they were just like now we're not going to help those guys out there over at DC now that I mean again I'm I'm speculating uh but then my good buddy Sam Huntington uh ended up playing Jimmy Olson in in the Superman return so you know but so they weren't interested in you at all for it no no they wanted Sean but again if Sean had done that probably unlikely that I would have done Smallville too right like I that's true yeah yeah that would have been too weird I guess yeah I just would have been like I I hate how the industry you know if somebody's great at what they do and fans love their performance why wouldn't

you put them as that role in a in a movie but they think that oh no there's some because all actors are doing tv and i mean everybody i mean yeah i mean now it's the i think that's where the money is right for most that like so it shouldn't be it should be like they already have a built-in audience people already love them people want to see this let's give this a shot yeah you know this is the next step but It just doesn't work like that. What are you going to do? Rarely. Did they, I know that they probably, since you were Canadian, they paid you a lot less than they would have.

It was a SAG contract. So I booked it out of the States. So I was paid in American dollars. Yes, that's right. I got the residuals, got all the good stuff. But again, my paycheck was probably, I was fairly like green or new as far as. So I wasn't getting paid big bucks, but I did get a SAG contract. So I did pretty well.

Did, were you able to negotiate that after a season or two? No, after, oh, like, up, no. I mean, it was like, I think the first season I was only on, like, as a reoccurring actor. So just top of show for the first season. And then the next two, they signed me up as a season regular. And you didn't get an increase in pay for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you, when you get like, they're basically buying your time, right?

Instead of just being, you can't do anything else. It's like they're basically, you know, buying you for that amount of time. So, yeah. So I did okay. do you get residual still dude like it's crazy actually uh because i think i was done on the show if 2008 was the last time i was on the show that's like 17 years ago i still get really decent you know it's it is what it is it's years and years but it's crazy that to just get a check every once a while for a job you did 17 years ago like it's yeah it's all right it's it's unbelievable uh what

would you say is the toughest time in your life obviously you lost your father but what do you think is the hardest thing to get through that you've been working through well um i would say yeah in the past part of it with my dad um you know COVID was a really tough time we had a brand new baby uh my dad got you know stuck home with a three year old and a newborn and my dad got ill over that time period and passed away and then eight months after that uh my wife and i decided to split up. So there was like two and a half years there that it was like I was grieving my dad and then, you know, then my marriage dissolved and stuff. So that was about two and a half

years ago. And things are great now. But that the past two years or like, you know, sort of, I don't know, there was about a two and a half year period that was just like the hits just kept coming, man. Did you go to therapy? Yeah. Well, we were actually in things. therapy for our merit like my my my ex is a therapist so they're like so there was always a lot of encouragement to to do therapy and and so we did we did our due diligence with our relationship and our marriage too we were probably in therapy for an I was going to say an hour sorry a year before we ended up deciding that it just yeah it wasn't going to work and yes I did do some therapy afterwards. There was some difficult times. Like, I was pretty fine afterwards, but about a

year and a half ago, we had to sell the house. The house that I, like, I loved our family, like our, you know, where one of my kids was born, like all this sort of stuff and just couldn't afford to keep it. And that sent me into like a tailspin for like a good three or four months. Like I was depressed. And it's like a weird thing because it's like, well, it's just a house and I'm going to be able to go buy another house and stuff. But it just represented something. It was like the, the last thing that our marriage, the true end of, you know, it was like we've done all this work on this house or whatever. And then finite. Like this is. Yeah, this is it, man. Like there's nothing left of this. I mean, the kids, of course, but sort of in, in our life together in a lot of ways. And that really

spun me out for a good two or three months. I was like just really struggling. But luckily, my brother came and you know help me out like he was like dude you need you like you're having you're in a rough patch and some of my friends and stuff and and I got through it but um yeah sometimes those things hit you not when you're expecting it you know like down your the it finally catches up with you yeah and you don't know what to do about it you're like so overwhelmed that you're like why do I feel like this I can't get out of this and also I'm like about what like this happened a year and a half ago or two years ago like the big difficult thing why am I, why am I feeling like this now?

Like, it's hard to understand how, how the mind works and, and why things happen the way at the timing that they do. So, yeah, it was just, you know, crying in the grocery store for no reason. A song comes on and just like, you know, weird stuff. Yeah, I've been through that where it's all of a sudden, sailing takes me away. And I'm like, oh, my God. And you're just like, yeah. And you're just like, why am I in the grocery store fighting tears?

Like, it's just like, it's so, you know, but that's, that's, uh, you have a tattoo that your brother you've had and your grandfather had where is in here what is it what is it the initials of what uh well his he had a nickname good man well he's he was actually a step my step grandfather so his name my my grandmother uh remarried you know whatever but he was um like he they were married before i was born so he was always my grandfather but his name was gangu jagtiani he was uh from india and he had a tattoo that was uh it was actually his initials It was JMG, but he said that it was, sorry, yeah, JMG, good man, Jaggedy. So that's what he was always, like, he was always the good man.

So my brother and I got good man, GMA, good man, Ashmore tattoos is sort of like a, in, you know, a little nod to him. He was a great, great, great guy. I love that. How old was he when he passed? How old were you? Oh, yeah. He was in his like late 80s.

He was old. And I was probably, Sean and I were probably, this is probably maybe, yeah, but probably about 15, 16 years ago. Right. So yeah, it's, it's been a while. You talk about therapy. Was that the first time you went to therapy with a couple's therapy sort of thing? During, yeah, during the relationship. Not, not, I'd been to therapy, but basically since I've been dating my, my ex-wife, she was encouraging me to go, you know, I had all sorts of stuff in the family.

whatever. So yeah, I was going to therapy, not for us the whole time, just for myself to be in therapy and try and work through some stuff. How much do you think it helps therapy? You know, it only helps as much as you're willing to put into it. So my experience with therapy is that sometimes when I'm in the mood and I'm really wanting to change or engage with it, it can be very helpful. And at other times, I kind of phoning it in. I didn't want to do the hard work. It's not that helpful. So I really think it is so much, you can't just be like, I'm going, like it's working. It's like it's not. You really have to engage in it. You really have to look at the, you know, the dark corners that you don't want to look at and put some work into it. So I think it can be

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You hear that? Oh, I heard it. It is a lovely story, and it's beautifully illustrated by my friend Heath and Simon Schuster's putting it out. It's going to be in tons of bookstores and available on Amazon. I'm so proud of it. Your kids obviously mean the world to you, huh? Oh, dude, they're the best. I just couldn't love them more.

And what do you do, like, I mean, do you tell them you love them all the time? You give them unconditional love, how proud you are. Constantly. Constantly. I come up all the time and I'll just give them a little hug. And before I'm even there, they're like, I know, dad, because I whisper, I love you in their ear, like, constantly. Like, to the fact where they, like, I don't even, they know I'm going to say it. So I don't know if it loses its power if you say it too much, but I don't care.

I just want them to know that. I want them to, you know, feel that. I also think that there's something that's interesting about having kids is, like, saying something to them. Like, I love you and whatever. That's, you have to do that. but it's also like their experience of what you're doing and your love comes through through your actions, I think even more so than saying it. So you could say all the right words, but if you're doing things that are in opposition

to that in some ways, if you're not patient, if you're annoyed with them or whatever, that's going to go against it. So it's, I almost think it's more important in your actions to be saying that you love them than in the words. Show them you love them without having to tell them you love them. Yeah. Yeah. But also tell them.

There's no, there's, I mean, again, you still say it. But I think that then there's no confusion. There's no misunderstanding. They can feel it, you know? And saying it is not feeling it. So I think there's a big difference there. Yeah. You know, making them feel smart, making them feel confident, making them feel worthy.

Those are such vital things. And, you know, especially I think that dynamic between, you know, father and daughter is, is amazing. You are their first. Well, I mean, I say this because I'm assuming that my kids are. straight, but maybe they're not. Maybe their romantic relationships or their major relationships will be with a woman, whatever. But in my mind, I'm like, I don't, I don't want you to fall for some dusty idiot who can fly you to Cabo or something for the weekend, just because he can do

these things, whatever. It's like, I'm going to make sure that you are loved. I'm going to make sure that, that you know what you're worth. Or like, I, absolutely. Absolutely. Let me ask you this. That's the plan. I didn't, I didn't know this. But my friend Troy told me that. Troy from Smallville? Yeah. How did you feel when you found out you weren't playing actually Jimmy Olson? Because you were playing his brother. Yeah, his younger, his older brother, his older brother.

Why the hell did they throw that in the mix? I don't know. I mean, I literally, what they told me was that because this wasn't the actual like Superman timeline that this can and that we all know, it's sort of like slightly different it's like well you cannot be jimmy olson because you're it's it's too young it needs to be like clark needs to be older and then he has to be like like like all this sort of change my name yeah yeah yeah so at first i was like i was like i was bummed because i was like well i've been doing all these interviews for three years people hey you're you're you're part of the the canon you're part of the you know iconic um you know lucky people to play the you know

this jimmy olson roll and i was like yeah this is great and then all of a sudden i was like I don't even get to freaking be Jimmy Olson. I've been lying to people. I've been telling them this for three years. I was disappointed. I was like, I didn't like how they did it because it just, it felt like a bit of a cop out. Yeah, it was. You know, and they didn't tell me to like the very end of the season, too.

They could have told me at the beginning of the season, hey, this is what's happening. Like, I don't think it was a surprise. I don't think they came up with this out of nowhere. I think they knew that this was going to be the thing. but they told me like the episode before. So I was just like it just feels like a shitty way to to basically get fired is through this sort of like bizarre like, well, you're not really like. And I was like, what am I going to do? But yeah, I was definitely a little bit disappointed for sure.

And they killed you off? Yeah. So yeah. Did you know that? No. I didn't know that either. And Troy spoiled it. Ah.

Troy? How upset were you when you they killed you? well actually liked the scene the scene was great you did all right yeah and i was like and i was like if i'm gonna go out i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna do some we're gonna pull on the heartstrings we're gonna get the tear jerker going here like because i was like if i'm gonna go out i'm gonna i'm gonna make it i'm gonna make it count so i actually really enjoyed the scene itself and like filming it i was fine but once you get over i do i'll tell you a story about that day though again this is another one of those things where it's like you know you get you get pushed and i'm like nah

I don't know. So say we were shooting this, that's the death scene on a Monday. I show up to set and usually you get your sides, which is the little piece of paper that says what's happening for the day, the scene of the order. It's got all your lines in it. You can go through it. What time's lunch, yada, yada, whatever. You get it every day when you show up. So I show up and it's my big death scene. It's a big scene. And the AD says, I'm like, hey, where are the sides? And they're like, oh, there's no sides today. And I was like, well, what do you mean? Like, why not?

Well, on Friday, they'd been filming a scene and I guess none of the actors knew their lines. Like, it was just one of those things where it was late night and it got dragged out and nobody, everybody was fucking up their lines and stuff. So James Marshall was directing at the time. He's like, no sides. Nobody's getting sides if the actors got to know their stuff before they show up and done it all that sort of stuff.

So I was like, okay. So I was like, I said to the 80s, I was like, I need you to print me out. I set of sides because this is how I work. I look at it. I, you know, there's beats and stuff that I like to reference, like some of the sometimes a screen direction. I don't have memorized, but it's like, I like that. It's just what I do.

So I went in and they said, well, we can't do that. Like, we can't do that. James said, no, I don't know. So I went into set and I said, hey, James, how come I can't have sides? Well, you know, the actors, da, da, da. And I said, was I there? Was I there on Friday night? No.

Do I fuck up my lines ever? No. So I was like, why are you punishing me, man? Like, give me my sides. This is how we work. This is how every set works. I want my sides. And guess what?

I got my sides. And I was like, this is my death scene, bro. Don't like, don't fuck it up for me. Like, I really want to do this the best that I can and this is what I need. And he was like, yeah,

absolutely sorry about that. We'll get you to sides. Wow. Good for you. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

I've had some, definitely some moments on sets on that. It's a lot of, it's a lot of egos and it's a lot of people, you know, everybody's working towards the same goal. But sometimes, you know, sometimes we all get rubbed the wrong way. Sometimes you just have to say, no, that doesn't relate to me. That's not. Well, that's just it. I was like, you shouldn't can't punish somebody when they didn't do something. It doesn't make any sense. And he agreed with me in the long run. He was like, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I remember one time they were something like it was like well you guys didn't know your lines yesterday you were laughing I go no no I knew my lines so and so didn't know right in front of them they didn't know their lines but yes I was laughing a lot and making them laugh but I knew my lines let's not yeah let's not get crazy here I do not all right this is called shit talking with Aaron Ashmore so this is rapid fire some fans my patrons top tiers patron dot com slash inside of you if you want to ask question and support the show. Appreciate it. Melissa M., what did you love most about your character on Killjoys and do you still stay in touch with those from the series?

What I loved most about Killjoys was that I actually got to kick butt. I got a gun, I got to fly a spaceship, and I got to be a bit of an action hero. And, you know, like from Smallville, I was a sidekick. Well, I got to be a bit of an action star on that one. So that was a bonus.

And yes, I do still keep in contact with my Killjoys co-stars. Everybody's busy, but I still like, I don't know, not this last time but a little while ago when I was in LA I went out to dinner with them we had a great catch up it was great so yes I do yeah uh Don G have you and your brother ever swapped place to see if anyone noticed taking a test for the other or anything like that we literally tried to avoid that because everybody mixed us up constantly so the idea of people mixing us up or doing that was not appealing it was actually can people just actually get us right so no we didn't do a lot of that although I Sean would have it was much

smarter or more dedicated in school. So I probably should have. I would have gotten better grades than I actually did. So, uh, nice. Taylor are our favorite part about being an identical twin. Um, as a kid, there's novelty to it where you always have like when you're starting somewhere new or doing something, you always got your best friend. It's always like an icebreaker talking point. So I think that that was a really easy way to be socially accepted was being a twin. And I'm a bit of a shy guy at time. So that, I think, kind of got me out of my shell and got me socializing as a young lad. I love that. Breeney, how do you manage the pressure of public scrutiny on your mental well-being? Oh, that's interesting. I mean, sometimes I read stuff online where people have not

the nicest things to say, but then other people have really nice things to say. So you have to take it off with a grain of salt. There's no, that person's wrong. If they don't have something nice to say, they're just wrong little lees so what who do you admire mo what do you admire most in a person um loyalty me too loyalty yeah some just being able to trust somebody and like just not even in any aspect of your mind or is this person you know not got my back or not got my best interests i have some people that are absolutely loyal and that means the world to me few and far between my guy few and far between i'm here aren't i i said ryan are you loyal i'm here aren't i yes you are bearded ryan leanne if you had to describe yourself in one word what would it be

and why that's tough oh that's a good one what's the word where it's like you're you're like two things at once uh you're can't think of the word that i'm looking for i'm on them. No. Bradshard. No, I don't know. Multi-faceted. Sorry?

Multifaceted or? Sure. Yeah, something like that. Well, I just like, like again, I come across as very nice, but I can also be a real asshole. So it's like, you know, it's that sort of, um, that dance of like those two things. I think that's what described. I would say if I had to describe you if someone that said one word, I would say genuine.

Just genuine. Oh, thank you. I think that's a good word for you. Okay. I mean, who am I to say? No, no, that's, I don't, that's, it's actually more interesting to hear what somebody else thinks about you than what you think about yourself. I mean, I think that's, people see the truth in you more than you can see the truth in yourself. That's true. Are you going, you were at

the con in New Jersey with us, which was a blast. And I want you to come to more cons. Are you coming to Chicago? Yes, I am. And thanks to you, because I didn't get the invite until you reached out and said, listen, I think, I think people'd like to see Aaron. I think honestly, when I sent it, They were like, yeah, yeah, we're totally talking about him. And, like, they were already into what they said. But I just, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any described. Well, and I appreciate that because sometimes, uh, it just, it takes a little nudge. And yeah, dude, I'm so excited to go.

Like I had a blast New Jersey and like Chicago, even better. Do you do more, do you do other cons? Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. I mean, over the years, I've done tons of the past couple years, things have slowed down. I haven't done as many, but I, I love, I love doing conventions. Like get to go hang out with some people that you know. Yeah.

Visit a city to have a nice meal. people literally are excited to see you that's why i don't understand why people don't some people aren't super into doing cons and i'm like what's the negative yeah you get you got you get some validation get that confidence hey everybody's happy to see you get to hang out with some friends go like it's a mini vacation that's i i agree um and what's great is i didn't notice know this at first but it occurred to me that when we go on a vacation we might go to mexico for a weekend we might go somewhere where we but for these fans this weekend is like they're mexico or they're italy they love it whether it's cosplay or just they love to walk the convention i'm one of those

people i love walking convention i go to conventions even when i'm not i just went to the horror convention monster pelusa in burbank i go every year with my friends just as walking around and as a fan and people recognize me and stuff but i'm like hey i'm just here as a fan buying i buy things and uh i dig it well look this has been awesome i It's a long time coming, and I really appreciate you being so open and honest and just, like I said, genuine. Thanks, brother. I wish we could have done it in person when I was there, but this is, you know. We'll do it again.

We'll do it again down the road or something in person. And I wish you all the best, nothing but the best. And anything you're working on now? There's a show, got a couple seasons. There's a show called SkyMed that I work on that should be released sometime soon on Paramount Plus in the states and internationally. And also I work on a show called Ginny and Georgia. I was in the second season and I did a bunch of episodes in the third season as well. I don't know when that's going to air, but sometimes soon.

And before I go, because I just didn't interview on a podcast, a British guy, his name's Brian, I believe his last name is Garder or Gardner. It's called Be More Super, his podcast, super fun guy. And we were talking and he's a huge small little fan, but his podcast is about all sorts of different stuff but he's a huge small little fan and i said i was doing your podcast and he said well you know i started mine uh after i'd sort of seen what michael was doing during the pandemic and getting into podcasting and stuff and he's like i was so inspired that i uh i started my own and i said well listen i'm talking to him so i will at least pitch you and i will i'll send you separately his contact

information he'd love to have you on you know uh you do uh with that way you will but i did tell him that I would at least mention it to you so I'll send you his info and I love hearing that that's great that someone was inspired he's super inspired he was like I look if I inspire anybody that's to me that's a miracle so well hey you got one gentleman in Britain who you inspired I like it well dude thanks for being here and I'll see you hopefully sooner than Chicago but I hope so too brother yeah all right man keep in touch you're awesome all right see you Michael bye Ryan this episode is brought to you by Defender. With its 626 horsepower twin turbo V8 engine, the Defender Octa is taking on the Dakar rally, the ultimate off-road challenge. Learn more at landrover.ca. Aaron, thank you. That

was awesome. Don't you love Aaron? I do. I do. You met him? I'm glad I met him at the small volcano. He was just good people. Yes, he's good people. Yeah, when we were just sitting around to dinner once and then we were playing this game where we were guessing the movie taglines and he just sat with us and just joined right in like no questions as it was really fun we did that in the green room yeah we did in the green with the other cast members yeah that was fun that was awesome

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