Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Anson Mount

Episode Date: June 4, 2019

Anson Mount (Hell on Wheels, Star Trek: Discovery, Poolhall Junkies) opens up about how his father’s death impacted him at thirteen years old, how horribly picked on he was in school, and losing his virginity at fourteen. Anson discusses his role as Captain Pike on Star Trek, the time his ringtone went off during a scene with Christopher Walken, and his trip to Mexico with Gary Busey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Insidy with Michael Rosenbaum. You guys, thanks again for listening. We've had some great guests. I just, I loved having Alvira on the show. It's fun to talk to people who you really, sort of your role models or you looked up to them or you were just excited about them, you know, as a child, and then getting to sit across them in your own house

and talk to them and asking them the questions that I hope you guys would ask if you were sitting here because I'm more like a fan than I am an actor. I think you guys know that about me by now. If you're a first-time listener, please subscribe. It really helps and spread the word, tweet, Instagram, you know, inside of you podcast on Instagram. And we've got a great guest today. A good friend of mine, he was on Smallville.

He was on Hell on Wheels. This is Anson Mount. He's on the new Star Trek Discovery. People are just going crazy over this guy. He's such a great guy and he's so charitable and wonderful to talk to. And he's got a podcast. So we sat down and chatted about old times and new times. And I think you're going to enjoy this.

This is Anson Mount. Let's get inside. Hanson Mow. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Here we go. You do look good.

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, Captain Pike. All right, radio voices. Is this how you want to sit? Because you can move that thing anywhere. you want the mic. I'm good. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, well, if your back starts hurting like mine, you can just lounge back. It goes back. Oh, man. Getting old sucks, doesn't it? Dude, I'm older than you. What are you, 45? I know, and you look like you're 32. That's not true.

No, it literally is. You know what the thing is I don't get gray hairs? Ah. And I'm using these silicone things under my eyes in the morning. It just takes you put them off for about 45 minutes. My friend Danine got them. If anybody wants to tweet, you know, she could send you some of these things. She's not my sponsor.

She's just a good friend. Yeah. But you put these. things under your eyes. I'm not kidding. Because I'm puffed daddy in the morning. And you put these things under your eyes. And an hour later, it's not one of those things with the chemicals in it. And it's, oh, it's got soothing

aloe. It's just these silicon. Whatever the fuck it is, I need it. You don't get bags under your eyes. I do actually. You do? What do you do for baggage? When it's really, I have a really early call. I don't know. The last makeup team I was working with gave me this tube that

had like a metal ball at the end of it. And you're supposed to keep it in the refrigerator. And don't you roll it around under your eyes? Yeah. You think that works? It did for me. Yeah. Yeah.

But then I forgot about it. It's probably still there. Do you sleep well? I do. I do sleep pretty well except like light and sound bothers me. So I, you know, I've got this English bulldog that snores like a jackhammer and she can't be in the room with us. Yeah, she has to be downstairs.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rob's going to take a few photos so don't be distracted. Hey, Rob. You know, there was one actor here was a little distracted with the pictures that were being taken. I'm not going to use any names, but he was just like, what's going on? I'm like, he's taking pictures.

What the fuck's the, what do you mean what's going on? It's like, I thought he was going to throw a Christian bail. No, I'm fucking doing an interview right now. Why are you taking pictures? Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today, Hanson. Oh, Michael. You've been inside of me a long time, actually. Have I?

You have. How long have we known each other? I had too long. How old were we when we did that movie? Pool hall junkies with, uh... I was in my 20s, I think. Christopher Walken, Chaz, Pomeroy and Terry, Rick Schroeder, or is it Ricky? Rick now, it was Rick.

Who I loved, by the way. Oh, yeah, he was great. That dude, we got behind the... Remember when we, like, we got behind the gun, we're shooting like three in the morning. We have limited amount of time, and Rick just starts picking up. Uh, he starts picking up instruments and, and monitors and moving them around. Let's go, let's go, let's get this done. He was...

Yeah, he was very helpful. He was an indie filmmaker, wasn't he? I guess so. And Mars, Mars Callahan directed the movie. And I remember, you remember, I think you were with me when I was like, hey, I did check this out because I went up to walk. And I was like, hey, should I call you Chris? Should I call you Mr. Walking? I'm excited to work with you.

Call me Flash. No, that's right. Remember that? And then you like, and then. Well, do you remember how I met him? No, what did you do? Oh, you don't, you, you'll remember the story when I started telling it. Remember his first day of work, I wasn't working that day.

You just wanted to watch him work. Yeah, I just wanted to come in and walk and do his stuff. So I'd been out shopping or some shit. I don't know. So I come in and I'm in that huge house that they had rented that overlooked the tabernacle in Salt Lake City. And I'm in this big house and watching, and the camera's rolling and it's on walking. And I wouldn't have to preface this story by saying at the time my phone played a la Cougaracha. So I'm staying there watching them work.

And sure enough, from my pocket, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-na-da. During his lines? Your face could have had to be redder than the tip of my penis. Oh, dude, I ran outside, and I'm just, I'm pacing up and down that porch thinking, you idiot, you idiot. How could you have done this? It's the only time it ever happened to me.

I got to go and face the music. So I walked in, there were between setups, and Chris is over there in the corner with Mars, who's directing. And Mars just just looks over at me and he's just shooting daggers. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And he's like, all right. And it kind of points to walking.

I'm like, fuck. So I go over to walking and I say, so I'm the asshole with the phone. And everybody stops moving. The grip stopped moving. The electrician stop hanging. Like the room just goes silent because everybody wants to hear what walking's going to say. Can I guess what he said? You asshole.

No. I'm professional. I can't believe you don't remember this. he says to me he looked straight at me do you remember the story and he says why do these cell phones have to have all these songs why can't they just ring and the whole room just burst out laughing i said oh my god oh my god thank you so much oh that's sweet yeah because he's very intimidating do you remember the and he walked on set one day because he only had him for like i think a week yeah mars had him for a week and you got like a couple million bucks or something whatever

the freight was it was half the budget of the movie and he comes out and he just he looks pissed off his faces right he says maus to the director today's my last day and he walked out and everybody's like oh my god he's mars is like i better go talk to him mars is freaking out it's the directorial debut so that was an experience we shot the movie it's a little independent movie you ever want to watch it people people still come up to me and go hey i love pool all junkies it's not many people but i still like if i go to these conventions or whatever and it was one of those movies that was a special time right oh yeah we had a really good time we were white eyed and bushy tailed and optimistic before the business came crashing down on our souls Jesus and then what the

next time you were a guest on smallville the next time we worked together that's right that's right you're running around the trains that was fun I had to kill you didn't I that was a lot of fun that was fun I remember being like three in the morning four five in the morning chasing your dumb ass yeah yeah and I'm bald and cold as shit and I'm chasing you through these trains when we had a budget we used real trains yeah yeah yeah i remember we ran into real issues on the in those trains with the angles and the cameras and us in a fight scene in that one aisle was very difficult to figure out actually but we got it done and didn't you test for lex luther i did you almost got it didn't you because zach levi always tells me the story like he almost got it but you really were close too

weren't you were you like the guy i had very very short hair at the time i get i think maybe that hoped but you did you you you tested for it were you bummed you didn't get it it it wasn't really what I wanted to do it at the time bummed you didn't get it like says the guy who got the role but you this is how it goes I see guys who got the role that I had this for all the time I mean it was you know I was it was a lucky thing for me do you get those things where you're just you feel lucky where you feel like I don't give a shit and you go in and you just kill it because you don't care yeah that's that's funny how that works isn't it did you have to audition for hell on wheels oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

Everybody went in for hell on wheels. Who? When they showed me the stacks of the headshots. Give me a couple. Give me a couple names. Oh, I don't know. I didn't ask. I didn't want to know.

You didn't want to know? I just happened to fit a very specific bill that they were looking for. They wanted an American, and particularly, they're looking for someone from the American South. And they wanted a man. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, your grandfather was a Confederate soldier, correct? A colonel.

Great, great, great. Great, great. grandfather was a was a cavalry colonel yeah still have his military composite but it's it's photo tinted and it's so old that the chemicals have now turned him green

what was his name I don't remember he wasn't a mount no he was a league a league yeah somebody in the family still has the piece of paper that listed everything that was in his pockets when he got shot did you say that in the audition yeah my great great grandfather was

because it kind of takes place post Civil War, right? It's reconstruction as right after the Civil War, yeah. Right. Did you have to do a lot of research for that shit? Like, I wouldn't know what to do. I didn't, I don't think I necessarily had to, but I did just to calm my nerves. Were you nervous?

I, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh, I love hearing that because I get nervous about everything. I wake up nervous. How can you not be? I meditate, and during the meditation, I'm nervous. It's a very expensive enterprise that's all coming down to one moment where a camera pointed at your face. But no, I read this great book,

Nothing Like It in the World, by Stephen Ambrose, who wrote Band of Brothers. Right, which I tested for and didn't get. Really? Yeah, for sure. And it was, it's supposed to be his only non-military subject. And then you read it, you realize, oh, it's actually a military subject, because all these guys had come from the Civil War.

Right. And they were out of work, and they needed a job. And it was run like a military enterprise. And on the back, the backs of the, of grafting corruption. It would not have been built without grafting corruption. It seems like everything is built from

Oh, it was just blatant. There's a book about the real history of the United States or whatever and it tells you the real stories how we were, how we came together. The dark side that they don't teach in history. Like how we treated people and the real Christopher Columbus

and what he did and nice guys don't just come and go, hey, we're going to take your land. And then, I mean, even from the beginning of like yeah and then we're going to invent this thing called thanksgiving we're always sitting down and celebrate each other exactly i mean look at polk right you want some history rob you know who poke was president poke is from tennessee yeah they called it poke's war you know polk did he took all the land which was mexico which is california now and all this i think two million

square miles we stole for mexico oh yeah there's much much all of california we basically just marched and said okay it's ours yeah i don't think we did it in a nice way. We forced them to sign a contract that they really didn't want to do. But, by the way, that's Rob. Have you met Rob? Yeah. I know, you just walked.

Did you not meet him? Hey, buddy. Rob's pretty rad. So, hey, man, you see my always, what I always loved about you is, and it was intimidating is, you know, until I really got to know you, but your disposition, you've always been like, you seem like you're so together. You're so reserved. You're so well-spoken and articulate.

It's intimidating to a fool like. me who's just always just like oh man you know I'm just always doing something funny I got get approval I got to get you know I'm like I want people to like me I got to do this how you know and so meeting you on the set I'm like oh this is a good looking dude he's got a shit together what you were did you train from acting and where I did my master's at Columbia master's at Columbia I went and look I love the school but I went to Western Kentucky University it's a good program It had a great program and it helped me out. I got a little more confidence, but I was intimidated when I met you.

Really? Well, you were just like I said, you were very trained. Huh. So that surprised me. It's like, you know, you come to scenes in the moment and you're there. But I realized once we started talking that you were just a regular dude, you were fun. But you are, you're focused. Do you feel like you're always focused or can you goof around?

Like they say Leonardo DiCaprio in that movie Gilbert Grape. They say that he would like, before he got doing that role, they'd be rolling, rolling, rolling, He's like fucking around with everybody and then action and he'd just jump into the character. Can you do that? I've gotten better at that. Yeah, I was just doing, I was just doing a job up in Santa Barbara County. Who was it? With this little known actor, he hasn't done a lot named Tony Hopkins.

And I think he's got a big future ahead of him. Wait a minute. Anthony Hopkins? Yeah. You just worked with Anthony Hopkins? And, but here's why I tell this story, not to name drop. Of course, I'm name dropping. But he is so bullion.

and he is he's so funny he's full of so many great old film and theater stories the hardest part of the job was to get refocused when we were about to do another set up because he's constantly fucking around yeah and if i wasn't if i hadn't got to the point where i was confident enough to just let the work go for a second and listen uh i would not be enjoying my job as much uh i might have quit by now you can't maintain that level of focus i think and enjoy enjoy what you do, but you do have to get yourself to the point where you can switch it on and off. And I think it's a mentally healthy thing to be able to do. Well, you know, that's kind of the thing I have to do. So, I mean, there's times when I have a big speech or something I have to

say. But for me, I have to be playing. I have to be having fun. I have to be in an environment that's fun. And sometimes you're with actors who don't want to do that. That's not how they work. They're focused. They're sitting in their chair reading Nietzsche. And it, and you know, it's surprising. You'll, you'll meet actors who are more known for their comedy than their drama who are also like that. Yeah. And it's, and I, look, to each his own, I respect it. It's not the easiest thing to do and be good at. I kind of would like to enjoy my job.

Yeah. Did you ever, come on, when you're working with Hopkins, I mean, I would have had to ask him something about Silence of the Lambs. Any movie. You know what's funny? He told me a story about how, when he was a little boy's mother, I owned a shop and Wales and uh and richard burton it was from the same area he would come in every now and then he remembers there's a little boy seeing richardin saying i want to do what that man does and years later he was telling me he was doing equis on broadway and burton came to see it and then

burden decided he wanted to take over the role and he came and saw it again and was in hopkins dressing room and said oh i remember you you you were the young boy who couldn't speak so good and i said yes yes and he said well how are you and i said well i'm fine and the whole time I'm thinking, my God, how did this happen? And I said, and I said, I'm very glad you told me that story because I remember going to see Silence of the Lambs when I was a senior in high school like it was yesterday. Oh, yeah. And it could easily have been so intimidating to work with him if he wasn't so self-effacing

and just a lovely human thing. He's one of the nicest people I've ever worked with. Well, dude, I would see, I would have been like a kid in the candy store because, well, you were going to prom because you were, you're a handsome guy. You probably went to prom. Am I right? I did. Yeah, you probably went to Santa Switch.

I didn't have a date to senior prom. Is that true? Did not have a date. You just went to prom solo. Yeah. On solo. My girlfriend at the time, and I broke up a few days before. And you went anyway?

I went and I got the tuxedo. I wanted. And then me and my buddies, who also didn't have dates because we were losers. We went to Taco Bell. We went and played miniature golf. Raw's hell. It was great. Rob, did you go to prom?

I didn't go to my prom, but I went to my ex-girlfriend's prom. Really? Did you get laid there? night probably it sounds very memorable it's just the question's like I don't want to answer that but you know I well you were doing all that stuff I just remember I have to memorize a scene from

you have that phrenology statue I think everybody does statue on the set of hell on wheels really yeah yeah yeah phrenology yeah it's a little human head with all the parts of the brain the hypothalamus and the I think the hippothelmus and the cerebral cortex. I'm not looking at it. I just know these things.

In the 19th century, there are physicians who thought that they could determine a person's personality from the shape of their skull. What do you think about me? Because I have a huge head and I have this big occipital bone in the back. So I don't know.

But I have always been jealous of the shape of your head. Why? Because my mother laid me on my back too much as an infant and the back of my head's like flat. Yeah, but I have like a big bump on there, like a matrix bump.

I've got like a huge. People always tell me how big my head is. Rob does it consistently. I think you're, I think they were talking about a year ago. No, no, I have a long face. I have like, you know, it's like, it's who I am. It's like I can't change. By the way, do you have one quote from Silence of the Lambs that you just love? I'm only doing that because I have one. What is it? He wants to be an impersonation. I just remember being like 17 or 18 years old and memorizing. I don't even, it's not the impression. It's just that I've memorized it. It was like, oh, agent sterling. You think you can

dissect me with your little tool. You're so ambitious, aren't you? But you know what you? you look like to me with your good bag and your cheap shoes. You look like a rogue, a wild horse in the road with a little taste. The magicians gave me a little infel bone, but you're really not one more generation from pure white trash, are you agents too? And that accent you so desperately tried to share purest Virginia. What was your father, day? Was he a coal manor? Did he stink of the lamb? You know, quickly the boys found you. All those tedious, sticky fumblings in the backseats of cars, where you can only dream of getting out, getting anywhere, getting all the, the way to the FBI.

You sat down and memorized that. Yeah, because I was a loser. Still am. That's what I did. I'd memorize moments. Your impressions are quite good. It wasn't even the... You're very good.

Do you do your impressions in your stand-up act? I have done. I've done a couple. You do a great Malcovich. I remember going to the premiere of sorority boys. You were there. You were great in that. You know what?

That was a really good... I like to call it a cult. classic it was you know i thought you're fantastic in that and and but you whipped out this malcovitch impression when they introduced the cast at the front of the theater you did you did how do you remember it was fantastic did i well again in the line of fire that i remember memorizing a scene you know you have a rendezvous with my asshole motherfucker you couldn't possibly know frank is that they sent my friend my comrade in arms to my home to kill me I never lie to you, Frank, and I never will.

So let's go back to you. You had a good childhood, didn't you? You have loving parents. It was mixed. Mixed. Yeah. Like how mixed were you? I have a great mother.

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about them from my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. But were they strict your parents? You sound like you just talk about your mother. Was your father there? Was he present in your life? My father passed away when I was 13. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. We never talked about that do you remember they were quite they were quite strict but quite loving um a lot of that pressure went away when he passed away what what is you know I always think about that stuff like my you know my father's strict he he had me when he was like 19 so it was pretty and then he had like my half brother who was like seven at the time so he was like a kid trying to raise four kids by the time he's 25 he's got four kids and it was very hard on him but like do you my father was the opposite my

I was the product of my father's second marriage, so he was, he was 47 when I was born. And I realized much later in life through stories from my half siblings who are all much older than me. I realized he was already pretty deep into the bottle by the time I was born. Oh, she was an alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah. So you experienced that.

You remember probably moments in your childhood, even, I mean, 13's, you can remember probably from your time of your 5 to your 13, about that. So you remember things. And you're looking at you right now. Now, sort of like I don't want to talk about it. It's hard to see that thing on your face. Because I know you. I've gotten better about being able to talk about it.

Formats like this are still like, it's questionable about how much you want to get into. No, look. Because we have family and, yeah, I don't know. Well, look, I'm not saying I don't want to talk about it. It's just like it's weird to suddenly be okay with talking about it. Yeah, I get that. And for many years from me, and this is what this is what this show is. has become for me is like I divulge so much information and that's me I'm not as private as I

probably should be but um you know I talk about you know I sort of forgive I'm a forgiving person yeah my dad's even me look I wasn't the best father my mom said I wasn't the best mother and I'm like look I love you moving on you know things happen the way they there were things that happened there were some great moments and you know I think if you just dwell on things and you're like oh my childhood wasn't what it I wanted it to be or if you don't become your own human being which you've become i'm still trying i think that you you just like you know it's it's i think it's a cop out to blame to keep blaming at some point in your life i have to just go well it's you that's carrying that shit around yeah it's me so why am i doing

that for why am i wasting my life and i just listened to this meditation this morning and it was like the most profound little app and it's 10 minutes because my attention span is like a fruit fly and i and i press play and he just says this one thing that's This will be simple to most people, but to me, it sounded more complex. But he said, try to enjoy life. Hang on, there's more. Stop trying to just get through it. And it profoundly spoke to me.

And it just, I don't know what it was, but it was like, I feel like every day, how do I just get through this day? How do I just get through life? How do I just get through this? How do I make it through this thing? Instead of just going, hey, man, just be here. stop stop just trying to get over with you know like this podcast i want to be present with you i want to just like enjoy this moment and then the next moment's the moment after that that's why when i heard that you were doing a podcast it was like a light bulb went off and i went of course

that is exactly what michael should be doing i was so happy to hear that you're doing a podcast because you and me like yeah we're we're different in a lot of ways you're much more outgoing that i'm much more internal like we have different interests but you're a goofball yeah i'm a goofball but we have a lot of similarities in the sense that maybe for different reasons but i think it's difficult for both you and i sometimes to listen uh because we're self-centered fuckhead actors i think a lot of people and this forces you this forces me to listen it forces you to listen and i do one and it forces me to listen yeah and i that's the the surprising thing that i got out of the process that i did not expect that is amazing

you're absolutely right and you what you know what i'm learning more about humanity by doing this by talking to you and even talking to rob who says a few words every show we're all damaged we're all human beings that are flawed that are just trying to get through this thing and how do we but but having this moment with you where we're just i'm not thinking of like hey i wonder if they responded to my tweet about fucking you know alfred hitchcock's birds you know in the also why you and I are probably more comfortable on stage, which is that weird, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that, that's a real, people who are really actors and into this for the right reasons, is, is, is that strange place that we can get into in front of thousands and millions of people where we're more comfortable than less comfortable. Yeah. That's a weird thing to experience, but it's, it's, it's probably because it forces, us into that place of presence. Why was your mother so good?

What was it about her that made you who you are? It sounds like, without going too deep, it sounds like your mother was your savior in a way. I'm just throwing that out there. My mother and I are complete opposites in so many ways. She is really extroverted, raconteur, the most popular person in any community that she's ever lived in. She is not unknown to dance on bars.

She's a wild woman and forces me not to be so serious. But really, the most important thing that she ever did was allow herself to be my best friend, especially after my father passed away. And it's probably one of the reasons I'm an actor is one of the things that we would do together, is she would say, hey, do you want to take a day off of school? Let's just go fuck around. We'd go to the antique malls. One of the things that she and I did together is we would buy antique furniture and refinish it and resell it.

And then the end of the day, we'd always go to the movieplex. And we would just buy one ticket and we'd just skip from theater to theater and just watch a bunch of movies back to back. And that's a love that we have shared for many years is I always ask her what she's watching on Netflix. I just bought her an Apple TV in Florida and set it up for it. and I had to train her how to use the thing and quiz her on it. And then I filled her cue with all the movies that she hadn't seen yet that I think she should watch. And she's the toughest motherfucker I've ever met. Did she tell you exactly what she thinks when she thinks it?

She wants no filter. Yes, she has no filter. And she's deadly honest. She won't always tell me everything if she thinks it's going to bother me or if I'm busy. I have to drag things out of her sometimes. But she's deadly honest about her opinion of my work. even there was something obviously maternal but you know some mothers when they lose their spouse can fold in a lot of ways they could be more distant but the fact that she was she felt like

do you think she felt like she had to like she really has to step up and sort of like i have to take over and be his anchor yeah yeah and to be there for me to really you know when i lost my virginity at when I was 14 or 15 She's Rob, how old were you? 18? Yeah, 30 She's who I told, you know, like

You told your mom? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom took me to get the condoms. Wow. My mom just assumed I'd never get laid. That's pretty much it. She knew that I was, you know, I was an academic in school. I didn't have a ton of friends.

I did have a small group of, of, of, of, close friends, but there was a weird transition time around puberty when my father passed away. And I think she knew that there were, like, lots of holes in my life and that I needed a friend as well as a mother. I was going to tell you, because I listened to your interview with, I'm sorry, the ice skater who we met. Tara Lippinskater. We met at the same time in Mexico, in Cancun. That crazy, crazy trip to Mexico. Was that Gary Busey?

yes I was going to tell you I ran into him again oh no because he's got to be crazier than he was well I mean I don't I don't want to say crazy like we're all crazy I'm just saying he had a plate put in his head so he had a car or a motorcycle accident or whatever so you know he just like obviously he's a different person than he was before the motorcycle accident yeah yeah yeah he and he when we first got to Mexico he hated me he did not like me at all he didn't like me do you remember what I thought I'd heard he was from Tennessee it turned out he's from Texas and that did not go over a while. So I'm from Texas.

And they walked away. I was like, oh, God. And then we had that, you, I don't think you were there the opening night, but the opening night, there was this, like, contest where you had to walk, you had to walk this, like, shaky beam over the pool to try and grab this tequila bottle of tequila. And I managed to do it, right? And then I was, like, his best friend. And, uh, we all hung out.

We went out every night. And, and, and, you know, yeah. at that time when we were at the club and we're standing in the circle with our friends. And I was yelling at it. I was like, oh, hey, you know, and he's like, you yell in my ear again. I'll kick here. I got a steel plate in my head. If you yell at me again, I'm going to knock you down.

Like, Gary, nobody yelled in your ear. I was, I was at one. Really? I was in one of that ones. And he just goes, all right, come over here. We're going to have a circle prayer. I'm like, and Tom Arnold's there. He's like, no, we're not going to have a fucking circle prick.

You crazy fuck. What are you? That's what's what's wrong with you? So I was at a, I was at a screening. at the Cinema Society in New York and there's Gary Busey sitting on a couch outside the theater and I was like he's never going to remember me but all right I got I got to try this I got to go so I went over to Gary

and I kneeled down next to the couch and I said Gary you may not remember me a manson but we were on that trip to Mexico together and went I've never been to Mexico and I was suddenly I was at a loss he's like Gary Busey doesn't remember he was

in Mexico okay so I was I was never in Mexico no but you but you you weren't nope nope never Mexico and we were hanging out and like me and Michael Rosenbaum and Jonathan Silverman and went Jonathan Silverman wait a second I have been to Mexico you remember Jonathan Silverman I love that Jonathan Silverman was he was the trigger point you know Jonathan Silverman you don't know him he was in weekend of Bernie's a single guy right guy friend of mine, great guy. Really good.

You should have him on the show, man. He's got some stories. Oh, yeah, Silverman. We'll definitely do, because he's... I think he may have moved to Vancouver, though. He was, like, a regular at the Playboy Mansion. Now he married our friend, Jen. Lovely.

Great. I got to call him. But speaking of the Playboy Mansion, your dad was an editor of Playboy? He was. He was. So did he go to the Playboy Mansion a lot? No, because you got to understand. So when my father first started working for Playboy, okay, this is a good story.

so my father he was in the VA hospital during all of Korea with tuberculosis and he had been in World War II but he was in it was in the VA hospital that were cutting out pieces of his lung during Korea and all he had to do was play banjo paint and fuck around right so he read about this short story writing contest and the winner was going to be published in the first issue of this brand new magazine called Playboy and so he wrote a short story story and submitted it and he won and he got published in the first issue of playboy and they they called him up and said um you can't enter any more of our contest because you've already won one but when you get out of the hospital we'd like to offer you a job so on a lark nobody knew who

what playboy was or was going to be on a lark he got out of the VA hospital in florida and he moved up to Chicago and he actually had to drive a cab to supplement his income because they weren't making any money there was just a half a floor of office cubicles in Chicago and because my father had gone to an Episcopal school, they made him the religion editor. Because half was very smart. He saw, he knew that that magazine was going to cause a controversy. And rather than invite a boycott, he wanted to invite a conversation. Very smart. So my father was in charge of inviting the clergy to write articles. And for a while, and I still have some of these, they would publish a version of Playboy without the pictures for the clergy. And

this started this, the Playboy Forum. was where anybody who wanted to submit an idea on religion or morality or modern ethics could. And this is obviously part of what helped to lead up to this sexual revolution. And around that time, around 68, I think, the conversation had kind of petered out and half had the idea for the pigskin preview. He's like, we're men's magazines. We don't have any articles about sports. We need one. Who here knows anything about sports?

And nobody raised their hands. And my father said, well, I watch the games on Saturday sometimes. And he said, that's it. We're killing religion. You're taking college football go. And my father freaked out because he's never been a sports writer. He didn't, he was a biology major. But he had to learn fast.

So, yeah, what he did was, well, this is very smart of me. He contacted every sports athletic director at every major program in the country. And he said, if you'll fill out this questionnaire, I'll get you a subscription. So he ended up, he knew who was. going to make grades, who was in trouble, who was getting in trouble, who was getting injured, and he ended up being the best football prognosticator in the business. Wow. Yeah. So was your dad making pretty good money or not really? I mean, okay. We were upper middle class by Tennessee. You know, we moved down to Tennessee when I was like three years old. I mean, did you always want to be an

actor? How did that happen? God, that's a good question. I mean, was it, did it really go? Was it It had to be high school. Oh, yeah. So when I got to high school, I was miserable in junior high. The first junior high had gone to, I was horribly picked on. And then I went to the larger junior high in our county. Like picked on beat up on. I was a very late bloomer.

You know, I was the kid with braces and glasses, got shoved in the trash cans at lunch. And I went and I transferred high schools. And it took me while to realize I was not making very good grades. And it took me while to realize it was not making very good grades. And it took me while to realize it was. because I was bored because I realized all the best teachers like I was in advanced mathematics but it was not in advanced anything else and I realized all the best teachers were teaching the advanced

classes so when we at this time when you went from junior high to high school and there was only one high school in the entire county there was no system in place to look at your what you had taken beforehand so you could take whatever you wanted so I just arbitrarily signed up for every advanced placement course and my grades improved and the people in these it was a much smaller group of students in these courses and that became my group of friends and they were all doing theater and so i wanted to hang out with them more so i auditioned for a play they were doing 12 angry men and i was cast as the guard perfect and even though i had this like tiny little throwaway role i remember the first time i walked on the stage for a performance like it was yesterday the feeling

you got the energy it was like it was that lightning bolt moment they talk about when they talk about love at first sight it was like being struck by lightning like you belong yeah i mean it was that clear wow and so i had a talk with my my wrestling coaches and i was like look i want to do this rehearsal sometimes conflict and i was luckily enough to have football wrestling coaches who told me if this is what you want to do you need to make that your priority So I was able to do both, and I joined the speech and debate team, and I did dramatic interpretation. I went to nationals my senior year. Jesus. I applied to my father's alma mater, Swanee, which had a very small but very good theater department, because Tennessee Williams had left his entire state to the theater department.

So they sent me to New York to study on financial aid for a short time, which made me realize I know nothing. And if I want to actually do this, I need to learn how to act. So I applied to graduate school when I got in I feel like when you talk about that It's like if you everybody has like this one teacher I guarantee if I looked at Rob There was one teacher or a couple teachers You had the most success in a class

Because you liked the teacher You were interested You just enjoyed being there right Rob Yeah I'm guessing you know an art teacher like an art teacher You just felt like I like this That was me Mr. Morrow Mr. Morrow came in as a substitute teacher

Because someone was in high school In high school and it was like All of a sudden a C and D student was getting a B in history because he was interested. And now the theater teacher, she was just kind of like fun and laid back and we could do stupid things and read a couple plays. And I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting.

Yeah. This is fun. And the more you'd have fun doing any fucking thing, the better you are. And that's life, I think. It was Randy and Glenda Sullivan. Randy and Glenda. Married couple.

Randy ran the theater classes and the theater department. And Glenda was actually a Latin teacher, but she coached speech and debate after hours. All of the best influence that I got, all the best encouragement I got and the best early training I got was not during class hours. It was during the hours this couple was staying after school, putting in the extra work because they loved their students

and they saw potential and they encouraged us to do this. And lucky enough, I had a mother who told me to do what she was, she followed her passion as a professional, golfer for a long time and she told me to follow mine. Are you a good golfer? No, but I also was not a good actor and I didn't, thank God, I didn't realize it at the time. I go back and I look at, you know, some of my stuff I did in high school was on tape and oh my God. Let me tell you something. If I was bad, this is the reality. I did Greece in high school. I was kind of forced to do a play or they wouldn't let me take another drama class and drama was so easy that I took finally auditioned and I got this

part and I was petrified. What happened was at the end of the play, everybody comes out. one by one and they clap you know they applaud the yeah and i didn't have a huge part of it was vince fontaine the dj and i remember i walked out and all of a sudden this thunderous applause like i was one of the lead roles and it changed me i felt like oh my god i belong this is me i not being me is the best and i've talked about this but kids going dude you're really funny if i didn't get that response yeah on that first play and that first part i was out yeah i was out and i was going to like, I can't do this. This is too scary. I was so scared. I still remember all my lines from that play 30 years ago because I was so scared. And I still have that mentality of like,

I got to know them. I got to know the lines. I got to know. I got to. I put so much fucking pressure on myself. That same thing happened to me, man. I remember doing a presentation of part of one of our plays my senior year. I remember it was David Ford, the guy, my nemesis in grade school the guy that would constantly like sucker me into fights and uh and he was bigger than me and he was huge he was huge he was a lineman and he came up to me and he was like you're really funny man you're really good and changed your whole life it was like I'm telling his shit like that changes maybe I'm just still doing this to impress David Ford I have no idea I mean look you've worked with De Niro you've worked with Anthony Hopkins and I definitely want to hear more stories about

like the narrow on ship but like like star track this is this is like in a way what i went through was smallville where it was like uh you know jean hatman played you know lex luther you're gonna fail you know you're on like there was so much i mean there is pressure but i didn't know anything about comic books and i didn't know really anything i follow look you look up here right here all fangoria magazines and horror books books on horror and that's what i love and so i think it was my naivete or my ignorance of just not knowing or aware of how serious this was, where I was like, hey, I'll do this. I wasn't trying to emulate someone where I just go, okay, I'm going to just read the lines.

I'm going to say the lines. I'm going to be real. I'm going to be grounded. I'm going to do this. And I'm nervous as shit, but whatever. Yeah. Because really, Captain Pike is, I don't know if you know this, Rob, but Captain Pike is before Captain Kirk.

They shot a pilot for the original Star Trek, right? And tell me if I'm wrong. Yeah. Jeffrey Hunter. This is the actor. Right. And then they recast William Shatner to play Captain Kirk, not Captain Pike. But Captain Pike was now a disfigured character in like a two-part.

Well, they ended up using footage from the pilot for a like flashback episode. Right. And called the menagerie. And so, yeah, so it this- Thanks Troy Rudolph for really educating me on this whole thing. Pike is of all of the really revered Star Trek characters. He's probably the one that we knew the least about. But I, when I auditioned, you know, I had auditioned for the captain from the first season, Lorca, and they'd hired Jason Isaacs. And it was the right decision.

I actually was a fan of his. And so when they came back for, they came to me for this role, I didn't know what I was auditioning for. It was called Captain Parker in the sides because they were keeping everything undercover. Right. So when I found, when I got cast and I found out it was Pike, I was like, oh, I guess it better be good. for somehow after doing this for so many years I've kind of learned what is going to help me and what's not going to help me.

What's not going to help you? Being intimidated or being starstruck or feeling pressure or wondering about what they're going to think. Yeah, it just doesn't serve me. So just knowing that I guess kind of lets a lot of the nerves go. But you say that. now I believe you first and foremost but isn't there some of that you're saying it but there is a little bit of that just lingering in the back of your head deep there you're like I'm saying this and I'm going to be confident and I'm to meditate and I'm confident and fuck this but I kind of care you know you do you mentioned De Niro before you know and like if you go you look at that movie city by the sea I will readily admit it's some of my worst work ever in that movie because I was so intimidated by being on screen with De Niro, that I was afraid of moving a muscle that he didn't approve of.

Not that he was dictating anything, but I was just scared shitless to do anything because I was afraid it would be wrong. And then when I saw that and I was disappointed in my work, I was like, okay, all right, I have to make decisions, I have to make clear choices, I have to have a clear point of view, I have to decide what the role is for me. It's not doing you any good. Exactly. And neither is being starstruck. Did he ever say anything like, no, this is, you're great, Hansen. He's a, he's a, he, uh, he's a really, no, he's not like that. I mean, I'm sure he, he would. Uh, he's, he's quite when he's, at least when he's working, he's quite, he's not a,

unapproachable, but he's, um, he does his thing. Internal. He's more internal than I am. Nice guy. Really, really lovely. He doesn't know his eyes. When I did need to talk to him. about something he was completely there really i even brought i even did the freshman thing of bringing

dvdies for him to sign you know and he brought me into his trailer and like in the beginning and he was like you know oh that's daring because i wake always wait to the very last day because i could just see him going it's asking me you know that's walking but like asking me for autographs and like you know that could be like i remember i told you the story of uh what's the guy who's the punisher the guy from walking you know that's the guy from walking Dead. Great actor. This guy went into De Niro's trailer at the end and goes, hey, I just I just want to say that you're a legend to me. You're like, and I really, I just want to say thank you. And De Niro's, excuse him, you don't have to do this right now. Don't do this. Don't

do this. He's like, no, no, you don't understand. You have to let me say this. I want to get it out. And he's okay, though. You don't have to let me. And he kept going. And I go, well, then it was great, right? and he goes like no it was the most uncomfortable I wish I never had done that why did I do that the moment was just like because they're like hey you're here you've made it I've done this before I went up to Sondra Bullock and John Cusick they were with I was talking to somebody and they came up to me at the Laker game and Sondra book goes oh my god you're so funny and I'm like oh did you see a movie I was in he's like no I saw you in Cribs and I'm like oh yeah then Cusack came by and all of a sudden I'm on Starstruck I got Sondra Bullock it's like 2000 early 22 2000s. Sandra Bullock and Kusack next to me and I'd work with Kuskuk. I go, hey, we did a movie together. And I just, you could feel that I was a fan. And I just can tell that they kind of were like, okay.

And they kind of started talking and like excluded me in a nice way. And I walked away going, I don't belong. And that's part of my problem. I've always felt like I don't belong. Even though I feel like I'm good, I feel like I still feel like I don't. That's why 95% of my friends aren't actors. They're like Rob, who's a regular guy or my friend Tom or my friend. Well, it's such a, I just, I'm intimidating.

I don't know. I can't live out here because it's just such a popularity contest happening in the background of things. I feel like it's high school. Yeah. And so my relationship with Los Angeles is so much better now that I don't live here. I come in, get my meetings scheduled back to back. I see the friends I want to see like yourself. I play around a golf and I go home.

See, I'm thinking about that. Because I don't want to live in my office. It's the other thing. And things that used to bug me about L.A. Tell me. I now find trauma. Like last night, I was, I'm at the, I was at the Beverly Wilshire, right? And I'm at the bar, and I've got, like, my drink in front of me.

I got my papers spread out. And there's this piano player that's singing Strangers in the night. And he starts doing lounge scat. You know what I'm talking about? Strangers in the nizoo-o-Zubi-Zubi-Zoo. I'm not exaggerating. Okay, right. Doobie, Zubi, Zubi, Zubi, Zubi, Zubi, you loved it.

Yeah, and then I'm thinking, you know, like a few years ago, if I still lived here, I would be like, motherfucker. And now I'm kind of like, this is awesome. This is exactly what Los Angeles should be. Maybe I should move. And the guy sitting next to me in the Sequin jacket is exactly the jacket he should be wearing, you know. Because it's, it's, there is a wonderful kind of cool history about this town that I really dig. And I had lunch at the polo lounge. And now you're singing from the outside.

Right. Yeah. And I went and had lunch at the polo lounge with these guys. And it's just like, you know, you're walking into history. And it's the same restaurant. It's been since the Bert Reynolds, I mean, since George Burns was there next to, you know, his posse and the pictures. It's just a, it can be a really nice place. But you got to know where to look also. Yeah, and Zach, you know, Zach Levi and my buddy, he's, he's a name drop, but lives in Austin. Yeah. And he says it just changes your whole perspective and changes your life. I think maybe I eventually shouldn't probably move. There's a lot of, a lot of actors in Austin. Do you think I should move, Rob? There's no, there's no, yeah.

Yeah, get out of here. There's no income tax in Texas, which is why a lot of them have. I should be a song. There's no income tax in Texas. Yeah. Kind of flows. Yeah. So what are you, you're obviously going to say yes, but you're obviously going to say yes, but

you're proud of Star Trek Discovery. Oh, hell yeah. You loved it. Was it hard work? I mean, I came to as a fan. I, you know, the original series was in a syndication on my local EHF channel when I was like eight. And they would run them every Sunday night, six o'clock, and they ran it for several years. So I've seen every episode.

What's your favorite episode? Well, my favorite episode of the original is probably the, I forget the name of the episode, but it's the battle with the gorn. Kirk has to figure out how. how to make gunpowder and shoot the gorn with the bamboo. I like the one where Spock goes on that like on this planet where the flower or something makes them just all happy and lost in love. But go ahead. But my favorite episode of Star Trek in general has got to be from the next generation.

I think it's called the inner light, but it's the one where they find this space probe floating in the middle of the universe and a beam comes through the ship. knocks him unconscious and he wakes up and he's a different person on a different on a planet with a family in a whole history and then he sort of gets lost in this problem that they have with the environment and trying to fix it and he goes through this whole life and he becomes an old man and he's got grandchildren and then he they send off the the probes to find um to let people know that they were once there and then he dies and he wakes up on the bridge and it's been five minutes unconscious did you cry and and then yeah it almost

they capture the probe in the enterprise and they open it and there's a flute inside and he had learned to play flute in his dream and he picks up the flute and he starts playing the rob is so bored now because he doesn't know one fucking thing about star track i didn't watch star track no oh you're young you're 29 30 yeah but uh dude it's it's a it's a huge thing do you i'm a true fan do you you are do you ever find yourself in there like action do you ever go look i have do you ever jump into a kirk you have you have I laughed you from once in a while. No, I kind of stole a little bit of his...

Swagger? His way that he sits in the captain's chair. Really? Yeah. And I had dinner with Shatner a month or two ago, and we just talked about horses. He's a horse guy. That's all he's into.

You know my favorite movie of his? Watch Kingdom of the Spiders. Small town or the spiders, the tarantulas just invade. That's one of my favorites. I used to watch it at the Camacho House all the time. I'm trying to get it. I'm trying to get them on my podcast. Yeah, I just want to talk to him about acting or Star Trek.

I just want to talk about horses. I think that'll be. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what my podcast does. Yeah. We don't want to.

Our guest is not our guest on our show. Our guest is how our guest thinks creatively. Or what is it that they go to that's their source for creative energy or how do they force to think outside the box? That's all we want to know about. because I just get tired of I don't know I don't want to hear interviews with the same questions or you know and it can be a little bit it can be a little bit difficult interviewing celebrities because I think that we get used to just assuming that we're interesting well you know for me is it's not that you know I always talk about like actors and stuff it's like you know for that moment when I just saw you and I was interrogating you but I saw this vulnerability and you you and this way you looked at me in the beginning of our conversation when we talked about your dad a little bit and there's like there's certain trigger points where I feel like you get to really

know someone and what they went through and like I saw your eyes light up when you talked about your mom and the things you would do together and to me that's what this is about this is about like hey how do you find happiness when you face such adversity when you're growing up we all face adversity some less than others but how do we get through it your mom helped you get through it she's proud of you she loves you she's hard on you because she loves you and you know it's like you find that special person that you know we all hope that we had that one person that helps us get through it and there's always a couple if you don't have a couple of fans whether it's in the casting director who believes in you because no other fucking cast director does and i have that

or my grandfather who's like a father figure who now has Alzheimer's and it's like the worst thing in the world to see because yes this could just be a regular like you know it could be all about Star Trek and hell on wheels and I you know we touch on that stuff but like I want to know it's like does Anson Mount get nervous before every take are you confident so confident now that you don't get nerves anymore speaking what you just said you know my stepfather is going through that right now and we we just uh had to place them in a memory care memory care facility and that was uh that's been an interesting process uh it's it's so hard incredibly it's not like death it's a it's a It's almost more difficult and heartbreaking.

It's a slow death. Yeah. And it's scary because there, but for the grace of God, go we. It could be our future. Yeah, well, you know, I always say that. It's that my grandmother had Alzheimer's. My grandfather now has Alzheimer's her son. You know, my dad.

Yeah, it's in my family too. My dad and my brother and I all like, oh, shit, what's going to happen? And so we're like eating more blueberries and eating more ginkgo below. But we're like, just fucking... Mediterranean diet, my friend. That's what they say. I got my, I did my genetic testing. I found out I have one of the two markers for early onset Alzheimer's.

Really? It doesn't mean I'm going to get it, but it means I'm somewhat more likely to get it. So the one thing that all the doctors can agree on is shift to a Mediterranean diet. Really? So now I do, if I do red meat, it's once a month. So chicken, rice, beans, black beans, fish. Rob, do you hear this? Wine is fine.

Can we do this? Yeah. Can we do this together, Rob? The Greek diet. Greek diet. How do you deal with anxiety? How do you deal with pressure on yourself? How do you deal with a balance in your life with your now wife who, you know, is the light of your life?

How do you balance your work, your life, and not let anxiety consume you? Do you get anxiety? Do you do anything about it? Do you take any pills? Are you just kind of a natural guy? Do you, you don't need sleeping pills? I mean, because that's like the story of Hollywood, right? Right.

I don't know, man. I know that I'm best when I'm busy. I learned some time ago that for the sake of my own sanity and this crazy up and down business that we have and the job insecurity that we have, that the one thing I need consistently in my life is that I need to be creating all the time. If I'm not creating, and it doesn't need to be acting,

If I'm not creatively doing something every day, something's wrong. So, hence the podcast, hence my writing, hence... The show. The show, trying to sell my own stuff. You know, just, I do know that I need to feel productive. Marriage is a very new thing. We just got married a little, no, less than a year ago. you know she's very busy too because she decided to go back to university she's finishing up

this semester but the balance thing is going to be a question mark that we're going to have to tackle together because as you know this thing this job puts us in success puts us on the road quite a bit yeah and thank god i have a wife who's patient with that and is supportive of that and is she gets she gets the she knows what she's sacrifices as well right absolutely

and she's a very strong self-sufficient independent woman so it's it's been a really good work life balance with her so far you know kids I'm sure will change

that somewhat but that we got a few years to before we get there we're going to try to get all the traveling out of the way first i look at you and i still think i mean you're a pretty sensitive person do you do you cry a lot uh i say that because i i i just cried at this movie the writer r i do you oh yeah yeah no i haven't oh my god so i think it's the best movie the year and no one knows about yeah i might my i think my wife will say that i cry quite i'm i can be quite an emotional uh person i think more so than i used to i think got a big blocks against that i was always intimidated when i had to be emotional in a scene

because i didn't know how it did and finally just said you know whatever i'm just going to listen to the person in front of me and see what happens um but yeah i can be i can be a big softie yeah i like that yeah i just lost a dog really we we lost our don't even go there yeah and that was the hardest thing i've ever had to do in my life that's your child man it was really hard for us because there's Canadian but she's in the United States and under we're we're in the middle of her green card application so she couldn't come to where I was in Canada so you were alone during to be there it was harder for her I think because she had to you know we we had to go in and have it done and she had to watch on FaceTime oh my god that was very hard oh yeah I can't even

imagine my dog herb is getting quite old and it's like I see him slowing down and you know you try to be sensitive at times sometimes he's now barking incessantly and I'm like where did this come from stop and you get annoyed and you're like dude he's he's aging you just got to well look man this has been incredible uh where can we find you on twitter at anson mount and my podcast is the well pod it's at the well pod right the well pod but you can find it on what iTunes stitcher every any any place you download podcasts we're all over the place yeah check it out guys check it out anson's a fantastic guy Instagram same thing yep uh on instagram we're the well podcast but i'm at anson mount and where we find star track discovery that is cbs all access pretty fantastic i'm gonna check it out you guys

should definitely check that out ansomount thank you for allowing to be inside of you this has been a real treat man i learned more about you i've known you for 20 years and i learned more about you today than i think i ever have it's good it's good to see it's been too long it is buddy much love to you Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the stacking Benjamins podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends.

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