Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - ANSON MOUNT: Star Trek Concerns, Unexpected Blowback & Staying in the Moment

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Anson Mount (Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Hell on Wheels) joins us this week for a grounded and honest conversation about fatherhood, patience, and finding perspective. Anson talks a lot about Strange New Worlds… getting into the responsibility he feels playing Captain Pike and the surprising fan backlash against casting in the series. We also talk about advice for new dads, embracing the moment instead of chasing the outcome, and whether or not he’d want his kids to go into acting. Thank you to our sponsors: 🐈 Smalls: https://smalls/com + “inside” 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/ (tell them we sent you!) ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ryan is here. Ryan is now producing the Talkville podcast. And I think you, I think you've kind of figuring it out. Figuring it out. We've got, as of this recording, we've got four under our belts. Four under our belts. And you're going above ahead, ahead of the game, getting stuff done. Trying to because I know once we get the edits in, then it's going to be sort of a little bit more hectic.

Yeah. But also, I went to the Superman premiere. Yeah. And I had a great time. I saw a lot of my friends who were in the movie and proud of James Gunn. I think people are going to really have fun with this. I think it's a lot of fun, action-packed, some heart, a lot of heart. And, you know, Tom is always my Smallville, Clark Kent.

He's always my Clark Kent. But David Cornswet That man is Superman Was freaking Superman He is awesome And I think Nicholas Holt Does a great job I think you know

He's great actors Rachel Bronsonhan Brausnaham Brazenham yeah Great You know who really stuck out too Is the guy who played Mr. Terrific Yes

He was great Eddie Yeah Yeah They're all good Maria Gabriela was the evil worked for you know she was like running and like yeah the blades in her hand and yeah Nathan filling it was great everybody was really great I had a really good time and everybody's like are you in it I'm like well I yeah

I'm under water and I say three lines but you don't see my face did you hear me underwater no you aren't paying attention no it happened so fast you would but when I went back to IMDB and I saw that you were one of the voices. I was sad that I missed. James asked me, you know, people are like, is he putting you in Superman? And then the last minute when the movie is done, he's like, hey, we come in and do this voice. Some of my friends are doing it. Yeah, sure. So I did it. It was fun. It was funny is I'm so entrenched in Smallville when I saw Superman. The whole time I was thinking, it's not what it's like. I finally got like what people in the kind of like you are into the comics or like I'm like because I have like a different entry point.

And so like it's on sort of like the new Superman to prove it to me now. And I was like, let's see. Is this? How true to the story are they going to be? Yeah. And it's slightly different. But I think, but that's something you sort of have that comes with it. Yeah.

And so like I for once, I finally understood what the comic book people are. It's just like it is like a comic book. It's like you're thrown into this. You're not, it's not an origin story. It's like you're thrown into this. These are the characters. Let's go. Yep.

you know what i found to be amazing was the score yeah score was really powerful um yeah production value was tremendous so uh go see it go see superman damn it all right without further do let's get into it let's get into my good friend the talented star trek discovery star trek strange new worlds uh he's awesome he's done so many things and he's a friend and i hope you enjoy it let's get inside of anson mount it's my point of you you're listening to Listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Dude, how are you?

I am doing pretty good. Doing pretty good. What are these pictures behind you? Like casting pictures. Are you casting something? Yeah. I know this is our cast on Strange New Worlds. I'm in an office here in the production offices.

Well, they're blurred, so you can't really see their faces. Better for me, because they're all really handsome and gorgeous. I mean, how is it going? I mean, are you done filming or are you just filming now? No, you're not. You're filming. No, we're a little more than halfway done for the season. How many episodes?

Ten. But these take like, these episodes shoot long, so it takes us about six months to do 10 episodes. Six months of Canadian weather. Where are you filming? Toronto. And where do you live now? Nashville. Do you get to go home at all?

Not so far this season. But I bring my family with me, so I don't really need to. But that's going to change soon. It's because my daughter starting school and I'm going to have other jobs to go to. So that's all, I haven't, I don't think I've really hung out with you since I became a father, have I? No, you haven't. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, how has that changed you? How is, I mean, it's, what would you say to someone who's thinking of having kids? I've been asked this question before. You know, and I would say, if it's a man, I would say get ready to be the number two for the rest of your life. because you're no longer going to be her focus and you're never going to be your child's focus. I wouldn't say what everybody told me, which is like, get ready.

It's going to be really hard at first, and then you'll get into it. But it changes your life. It changes your life in every way. And you can't prepare, you know, but your whole life is going to change. You know, yeah, of course, of course. your life changes but what what they don't tell you is that um there's nothing to sweat about

because your connection with this being that you just brought in the world is so strong that you will move mountains right you it changes you it doesn't just change your life it changes you it makes you stronger changes your priorities makes you stronger it um it makes you want to do the best possible thing all the time. You know, it's like, I was raised Episcopalian, right? And the Anglican view on things is very different than any, let's say, more evangelical denominations. And the Anglican view on sin, and this is just as an example, I'm not trying to

But just an example of what I'm talking about is that it's not that there's this litany of, you know, things that are no-nows that the God doesn't like and the devil likes. It's not, that's not the definition of sin. The definition of sin is anything that gets in the way of you living your life to its fullest potential and realization, right? And so you can do whatever you want. You know, you have freedom of choice. You can be the father that wants to put work before their children. You can be, you can do it any way you please, right, within the limits of the law. What do you want that to look like and how is that going to square with your vision of yourself as a father, right?

And so it ends up making you want to do the right thing all the time. that includes, you know, life happens. Like when you go to bed, like not drinking as much, make keeping a journal, you know, just the things that are probably going to help you live longer anyways, right? Wow. And it comes, for me, at least, it comes at, and I was not to say I haven't struggled, but it comes eventually at little effort because you want to get up in the morning to be with your child for breakfast you don't want to miss that right because it moves it moves so fast but

you have responsibilities i mean your responsibility your responsibility is you know raising this child and you know all that but like having work and being the lead on a series you can't just wake up and go you know what um i'm not working today because i want to be with my child because that's how i feel There's none of that. No, of course not. No, of course not. It doesn't mean that you get to shirk your responsibilities. That would actually be making into a person that would set a bad example for your child.

And it would get in the way of you providing for your child, right? But you do start thinking time takes on a whole new dimension. You're not just thinking of the next few weeks. You're thinking in terms of different scales. And so you end up trying to organize your life to the extent that you, you can have both. Yeah. It's possible.

Are you more patient? Yes, that's a big one. I'm, I used to be the most impatient person. Still am sometimes. And, but I'm, I'm getting better at noticing when I'm turning into that jerk and shutting it down because it, you, you can't jump to that with a child. For, because for the first, like, few years, first of all, they're not going to understand. Right.

Um, and you're going to be damaging your relate, you're going to be, they're going to be relating to you from a place of fear. Mm. I can understand. And that is the, it is the worst feeling in the world when you win something over your child and it changes their mood for the worst. It is horrible. Yeah. Yeah. I can understand that.

We've decided that we kind of want to raise our children by being their best friend with a good sense of where the guard rails are. Right. And to help make the right choices and say you can always talk. You can talk to us about anything. Just don't be that parent who's like, it's okay if you drink when you're at home as a teenager. No. Because I had friends growing up in Indiana. I know you had friends growing up where you grew up.

And, you know, there were certain parents who are like, yeah, you guys could drink as long as you're in my, you know. No, it's, you want to, you want to, you want to be the kind of parent that's like, oh, not that, are you crazy? Get the hell out of here. Get a beer. You want to be. Oh, that was my dad. Why do you feel like you want to drink right now, you know? And like, what's that coming from?

And, okay, well, you can start to be that kind of person that day drinks. And let me show you, let me explain to you what that's going to look like in, in 10 or 15 years. Yeah, yeah. And then help them make the right choice. You know, I listened to a very interesting interview with Walton Goggins. Do you know, Walton? I don't know him really well or anything. I've met him once.

He's a dad. And the interview asked him, oh, he was talking about how he's never had to truly discipline his kid. And, but there were times when he was being a jerk and not wanting to participate in family activities and he said what he did instead of instead of confronting him about it he caught a time when the kid was sitting out on the back porch and he walked out and sat next time and he goes man i got to tell you i am so excited for you you this is a really exciting moment in your life and this kid was like what do you mean it was like this is the moment where you get to decide the kind of person you're going to be and that's that's that's a

amazing moment and it's a lot of it's a lot of power and it's a it's a you know and it's an important decision and he goes through explaining what his life can look like if he starts participating in the family activities and you know getting his homework done and what it looks like if you go down this other path he says but it's your choice you know and I'm just I want you to know I'm really glad I'm here to witness it it's a positive manipulation right and so the kid comes to him the next day and says well all that, dad, I've really, I've thought about it. And I want to be the, I want to be that first guy, you mentioned.

And he said, and then everything changed completely. Isn't that something? Now, that's great parenting. Yeah, see, you know, my parents, my dad said, if you ever, I ever catch you drinking, I'm shipping you off to a halfway house, period. That's it. You ever drink, I ever hear you drink, you're gone, you're out of the house. That was, so mine was always a sense of fear, like, you know, I remember one time,

I went over, I already had my ear pierced, my neighbor pierced my ear, but I was turned to him so he couldn't see my left ear. And I go, hey, dad, would you care if I got my ear pierced? He goes, you get your ear pierced and you're out of this house. And I go, okay, I'm going to stay at Nate's house for a couple days. I'm bleeding down my neck. You know, it was just, it was just, I don't know, it was old school mentality. It was very harsh, very, you know. So it's, I I guess you as a parent now, you learn what your parents did right. You go, okay, this is what they did right. This is what they did wrong. I'm not going to do that. And you try not to make the mistakes that you hear a lot of parents make. I mean, it's very hard in the sense that it's a huge undertaking and responsibility to be a father. And you have to know what you're getting into.

And you have to know that my mother, when she had kids, she still wanted to be the center of attention and the child needs to be the center of attention when you have a kid the kid becomes the focus not you and she didn't do that so it was very difficult being raised by you know my dad's always working my mom's you know cruiser around you had to fight for the focus oh yeah i'm actor yeah hence actor inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before i got this awesome sixty dollar cashmere sweat I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning

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probably have a lot of these thoughts before you're a parent, even while you're parenting, like not wanting to mess up. And how do you just sort of, are you able to just now let, hey, I've got a great wife. She's a great mom. I'm going to do the best I can. I'm going to leave it at that. And I'm just going to live my life the best I can and hopefully have a, you know, raise this kid the way the kid should be raised. That, but not in not in the sense of I'm I'm going to do the best I can. It's a little bit like that right now just because I'm working. Right.

He's picking up all the slack. And she is one of the most capable human beings I've ever met. So I know she's got my bag. But no, it's like I, this is part of the reason you have a partner too. And it's so great to be in a good communicative marriage is because you're always aware of where you can improve. Yeah. You're always aware of where you can get better at things. Even if she's not like saying, dude, I need you to pick up the slack here.

It's just clear in your interactions with them. You end up knowing this person so well that it ends up. Marriage is a mirror that you never knew of existed until you, until you stand in front of it. Yeah. Do you feel guilty ever, like inadvertently, obviously, but do you ever like you're working, you're working you're working you're focusing on being the best actor you could be the best for this part of all these thingsgiving and then you feel guilty it's like i'm not with my child they feel guilty so it weighs on you of course this morning i i i had to get up early i barely got to see my

daughter um i picked her up out of the crib and gave her to her mom basically and then i came here and realized that i was too early because i hadn't explained something important to the ad who was making the schedule um and he brought me in earlier than he than I needed to be here. And so I missed breakfast with my daughter. I felt incredibly guilty about that. Yeah, you're going to. But, but yeah, you got to, you got to just do the best you can.

What are your hours like? Right now? Yeah. Well, to the uninitiated, it sounds very extreme. To you, probably will not. You know, if I'm, let's say I'm in a heavy work week. We have a really An ensemble spirit on this show

So there are episodes where I'm light But if I'm full on I get picked up about 5 a.m. Monday morning We shoot until probably 7.7.30 And then you have to have a 12-hour turnaround So it gets pushed back throughout the week. So by Friday you're starting around

noon 1, 2 and you're ending about 2, 3 in the morning And then you're back at it at 5 a.m. Monday morning again. And you're exhausted. How many times have you been so exhausted that you're like, I can't, I can't do this. I just can't. I need to sleep, but you know you have to get up and you have to engage. I guess you just do it, don't you? It's, well, I mean, it's, we do this because we let, look, making, getting to do what we do is just, it's cool. It just, it's very cool. And we are very lucky. You love it.

I do, absolutely. You love acting. It's something that you think you'll do forever. Acting and production. Yeah, I think it is. So in that sense, it's just not as hard. I'm like, I'm up when the, if I'm working, like, if I'm not working, it's hard for me to get up with the alarm clock. When I'm working, I'm out of the bed.

I'm getting stuff done, getting ready, even if I'm working on, you know, five hours of sleep. it's this when the slot when you get into the slog of it and you're really ready for a break um what keeps me going is is the crew i can't i can't be late and and um and phone it in because it's a disappointment to them and it's a disrespect to people who are who who work harder on then i work who's whose easiest day is harder than my hardest day. It's amazing how much harder the crew works, how much longer they're there, how they can do this day in, day out, and not in. Literally, literally physically how much harder their work is sometimes. How other fans reacted to Captain Pike? Great. It's without a doubt the strongest

reaction I've had from anything I've ever done. Were you worried in the beginning? Yeah, I was more worried about coming into Discovery, the previous show in its second season, because I'd never really been the new kid before on a show. And it's hard to be the new kid, but they were great and brought me

right into it. And I had so little there's so little to go on with the character because there wasn't a lot of material on the character at that time. That I just sort of had to trust the writers and a character ended up being somewhat close to my skin. But

I got through it pretty quick. Were you, was there a concern that the, because when I was doing Smallville, I didn't have to look at Instagram and see people bashing Lex Luthor and what is he doing as Lex Luthor? I didn't have to worry about that at least. I, I just, there was no instant reactions, you know, Instagram wasn't around and all that. But with you, you jump into this role and I'm sure you typed a little bit and wanted to see what some of the reactions were. were they did they embrace your character pretty quickly yeah yeah it was um i mean they were they

were the the producers had been planning on uh floating the idea of an episode to to to the company i mean the idea of a of a new show to the company and they didn't tell me thank god um and uh and so the fans not not knowing that the fans not knowing that the fans still sort of started asking for a pike-centered show, a prequel to TOS, that garnered a lot of support online. And really, I think, you know, the networks that are watching, there's a time when they weren't paying attention to phone calls and letters and text and, you know, social media. Now they are.

Yeah. Do you get a lot of fan mail? Not a ton. No. Yeah, fan mail isn't what it used to be. I still get fan mail. But it's not like, remember, in the day you'd hear people get boxes and boxes of letters and things like that. Yeah, no, I think that's because the stratification of the TV audience across a variety of many niches has lowered the fan base.

And so it doesn't turn into as much of a water cooler type of show that often, right? and so I yeah I get but I've also like learned to start separating like what is clearly an autograph hunter and what is actually a fan yeah those the guys who come up to you at the airport and they say sign this box right here this right here and then sign this blank slate yes with a bright in so that I can lift it and then and then they have like five other ones and you're like oh I'm yeah I'll just sign you sign this one or I go all right who's this for I'm happy to sign whoever it's for. But sometimes they'll come back and they're like wearing a wig or they're coming, come back and they're like, hey, I'm like, dude, I just, what are you doing? I just saw you. Why are you doing

that? Come on, man. Just, you know, I signed it for you. Is there a sense of responsibility to the original series and actors or are you more interested in paving your own path? And do you feel that way for the other characters as well, the other actors? Well, within an extent, I mean, in terms of the character, yes, because the character is in a very different part of his life than in TOS. But no, I actually, I work really well within limitations. I think every artist needs limitations. And at this point, Star Trek is almost its own genre. And I think you have to study it if you want to, if you want to do it correctly.

You studied it. Yeah. I was a fan. I grew up, I grew up watching TOS in syndication. Wow, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What were you going to ask me? you have written down all your questions well no i have questions but i usually just the first

20 minutes was just me ask just shooting the shit but there are some questions that i actually have prepared right okay all right william shatner does he know you now do you feel like he actually knows you yeah i think so and what are your conversations like i i like to ask bill about his horses nothing to do with the series No, no. He's he's really devoted much of his life to, to show horses. And he goes all over the world with him. Actually, I was wanting to do an interview with him for my podcast in which we just did that, you know. Oh, that would be the fans would go bonkers for that. Yeah.

Do you want to be doing what William Shatner is at 96 years old, going to space, doing things, still working, still going to cons or you think i mean i could only pray for that much energy at that age he's an anomaly he's a force of nature it's unreal it really is uh i can't i can't explain it but he's always been really kind every time i go to a convention he's reading or he's on his tablet he's in his own world you know he's pleasant but um if you talk to him about stuff that he's interested in he's engaging But if you get, oh, hey, people are like, oh, can I get it? I'm a fan. Yeah, okay, he'll just do it.

And it's very, as a matter of fact. I've been to a couple of things where they just put him out on a stage with a folding chair. And he just starts talking. And he'll talk an hour straight and have the audience captivated. What will he talk about? He can turn it on in front of an audience like you would not believe. Anything. He talks about what he's reading.

He starts off with that, you know, and then it just. blossoms into all this stuff and he's there he's like you know a lot of you know you get in your 90s you forget your train he's pretty on it's pretty amazing inside of you is brought to by rocket money if you want to save money then listen to me because uh i use this ryan uses as so many people use rocket money it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions crazy right how cool is that monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings and you know what's great it works it really works ryan rocket money will even try to negotiate lowering your bills for you the app automatically scans

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You can answer it how you want or not, or we can cut it. But how did you feel about the negative criticism over the casting of Adrian Holmes as Captain April, a character that had previously been shown as a white man in the animated series? Piss me off. Yeah, it really pissed me off. and really felt disappointed in at least a few people's lack of

I mean, is really, that is deep as character goes for you. It's just, and so I actually, I actually reached out to Adrian when that happened and told them that

there were never any conversations like that on this set and they never would, will be. And, and that we think he's doing an amazing job. And he, and he did and he does now um yeah he's amazing i love yeah i love adrian yeah it's a good guy too

yeah it's amazing how people go there it's like really in the world we live in now you go there it's what world are you living in it's it's gotten the culture wars are so bad that it's gotten to the point where if you cast a black actor in anything so somebody's going to scream woke right just doing that is as they they are now convinced that that the world is out to get them right and that it's all a product of a social some sort of like social war being instigated by i don't know people who cast shows i it's just yeah look how about you look at the acting and the person and the character they're created they've created and the job they're doing look do you do you ever get you seem like such a i mean i've known you i've never seen you

lose your shit really you're very as a matter of fact you get um you're very direct you're very direct with people i haven't seen you lose your shit but do you handle pressure pretty well and stress what does it look like someone looking on the outside in at you when the pressure escalates and the stress escalates and what are you feeling and what do you do about it? Much different now than when I was in my 20s and 30s. I think I alluded to it a little bit when I was talking about the ways you change when you have a child. Yeah, of course. And you end up realizing that it just doesn't get you anywhere. I don't know. I'm better at recognizing when it's coming on, right?

I'm more present in that way. And knowing now what I know, being able to just step away and force myself to breathe and put things back in perspective. It's why you never email somebody when you're mad at them. Don't ever do that.

Like, we found, historians have found letters from Abraham Lincoln to other people in the government just just the most excoriating thing that you can possibly imagine which he never sent he would always write a second letter he would write the one he wanted to write and then he would write the one he knew he had to write i've learned i've learned it's taken me a long time but when someone says this what the fuck what are you talking about blah blah blah we talked about this this is

ridiculous this is i don't understand then i've learned to go okay all right all right stop I go, Hey, I really appreciate you. Thanks for responding. I'm just curious because I know we talked about this and I'll reformat it, rewrite it and then go, okay, this is a little bit more. Because I used to do that. I could even like responding on text are like, dude, don't be an asshole. I'm like, no, no, that's not what I meant. No, I wasn't being an asshole. I was being sarcastic. I, you know, everything gets. But this is this. This is what is. driving social media in so much of the culture wars. This is what this is what is fueling it is the reaction, our tendency to react. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a mini fight or flight response. It is. Do you get anxiety?

Totally. Yeah, you get. What do you do about it? Do you just meditate? Do you work out? Do you have it? Do you talk to a therapist? Do you go to a therapist?

All of the above. I could be better about meditating. I do all of those things, and I have a third space. I believe every actor, really every one, but definitely every actor needs a third space. It's like when I was teaching, I would tell my students, I'd be like, you have to have something other than acting that is just for you, right? and relationships don't count. And otherwise, you will go insane in this business.

So for me, my third space is my pottery studio. And it's given me an opportunity to learn about developing craft in a more objective way. And it's a process that I completely control. Yeah. And because I've learned about myself that if I'm not creating, something all the time, something's out of whack. And that makes me more stressed. That makes me feel the, for me, feeling unproductive is the worst possible feeling. So even if I, if I'm between, you know, buying my clay or getting that job, if I go to the gym, if I start my day

with a three-mile run, at least I've done that, you know. Accomplishment, sense of accomplishment. It gets at least convinces your body or do something. Yeah, you know what I do? What? Well, I don't do it enough, but I used to have art night at my house, a handful of people. And I am, listen, I can do a lot of good things.

I do a lot of things well, a lot of things. I mean, for the most part, I'm like, you know, but there's some things I don't do well. And art, drawing is, is, I'm terrible. When I say terrible, I'm not even being funny. I'm not good. But there's something about when I have the pastels or the, whatever, the pencils and I'm just doodling and making something, I forget about everything else I'm doing that's on the outside, all these other things that are happening in my life. And I'm just focused, hyper focused on this one thing and an hour will pass. And I'll realize, wow, that was, I haven't been this relaxed.

I haven't been this. It's sort of out of body. And I don't do it enough. And I know it works. And so I can relate when you talk about, you know, getting your clay and doing all these things. Is that what happens? It's sort of a meditative state, if you will. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

The amount of focus that it requires to turn a piece of earth into a work of art. It also gives me the thing that we don't get as actors. They say that this has actually been clinically proven that people who work with their hands and making stuff they pump more endorphins than the rest of us who have to whose work is more ephemeral or we don't get to see it for a for a year or whatever i believe it um like us you know we shoot a scene we're inside it so we don't see it and then it goes off to the editors and it's you know you end up at the end of the day with nothing literally to show for your work and it gives It fills in that gap in my life.

Do you, are you able as an actor to walk away from a scene and let it go? Are you ever like, I don't think we got that. I want another take or you think about it obsessively. I don't think I was ever bad about it in that way, but I've gotten even better at it. Just because I'm, I think being involved as a producer sort of put that hat on. And nine times out of ten, when you ask for that extra take, they won't use it or it's not as big of a difference as you thought it was. You know, and I'd rather, I'd rather get us, you know, the crew is there long enough as it is. So if it's a usable take and you're decently happy with your performance, just move on.

Move on. What can fans expect from this season? Season three They're so serious about this stuff Well let me ask you this Did they step it up? Is there some twists and turns And character

Is there a lot of things to look forward to in this season? Yes, there's character development In some areas that has not been before And there is we we we keep pushing ourselves in terms of how out on the limb can we get um and ekeva goldsman and henry um in uh my henry meyers the two shown runners they they keep saying star trek can be a lot of things so we our conversations about future episodes begin usually in genre And we talk what genre we've not done?

What do you want to do? What genre do if you always wanted to do? And it's a really smart way to work because that you're, especially towards the end of a season, you're really trying to still tap into your cast's excitement and sense of mischief. And that's really, it's really provided that. Is there anything shocking in season three that the audience will just sort of go? There's always something shocking. There's a holy shit moment.

yeah many many holy shit moments yeah yeah do you ever feel like when you're filming a scene because as i know as actors we always want to make things as good as they can be heightened do you always try to there ever some gems where you're in a scene and you read the scene you're like this is what it is but something bigger comes out of it that's the best when you're discovering it in the moment and then there will be those times where you walk away from the scene and you go oh god i can't believe i didn't think of that and you have to let it go you have to move on right yeah that's why i try to be as prepared as possible it's like tom hanks said something interesting uh in an interview clip i saw with him when he said as some student had asked him do you have any

advice for someone who's never been in the business but wants to go into it and he said three things show up on time know the text and have an idea right and knowing your lines and knowing the text are two completely different things and then and that actually feeds into having an idea don't show up on a set expecting the director to answer all your questions right he's not there to he or she is not there to enliven you you're there to enliven each other so you got to come in with an idea of what the scene is about, what you, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, it's, what, that's, yeah, that was very good advice. I, I, I remember there's been a few times in my life where I'm shooting a scene. And halfway through, I go, oh, I know what this is about.

Have you ever done that? Totally. You feel like a complete idiot. And you're like, oh, now it makes sense. Yeah. And sometimes you do your prep and you miss it. And it takes being in the shoes of the character and going through it and it hits you. But those can also be really magical moments.

Sidney Pollock said, we're going for, we were, we were, we were, Hearst to a point so that we can discover, we can figure it out when the camera's rolling. We want the moment of discovery caught on camera. That's brilliant. I think that's pretty brilliant. Ontario, the wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live.

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And I really appreciate you. Thanks. When you look at your career, are you able to take a step back and say, I'm proud of myself? Oh, yeah, all the time. Because I know a lot of actors and I know a lot of artists, a lot of people, they sometimes can't. They're insatiable. Oh, sure. Yeah, it was harder for me to do that when I was spending, when I was living in a lot.

because you're surrounded by the competition at all times. Everywhere you turn around, there's a magazine stand with the faces of people who got the job and you didn't. Like, you go to hire a gardener and they're a gardener who specializes in actors' gardens. And guess what? Tom Cruise has a bigger garden than you. Right? It's just like it's inescapable. The, the, and I was also much younger at the time.

So I was always comparing myself. Which is the worst thing in the world to do. Yeah, it's stupid. Why would you judge yourself against the different person's measuring stick? It doesn't make any sense. No, I'm definitely proud of myself and what I've accomplished. I'm not going to say that my life has been more difficult than, you know, any teacher or soldier, but it's, we have to, you have to stick through

some pretty difficult stuff to do this. And now, you know, you've been through it. How long do you think Strange New World will go? Do you have any idea? Do you think, yeah, we're looking at five seasons. We're looking at, or is it, or do you know, it's been, yeah, I mean, it's been bandied about maybe that's sort of the target. you don't you don't really know i don't think until you get close to it um and i you know we have to

everybody sort of reassesses at the end of a season what it feels like and where we want to take it so we'll see um i'd be happy to continue for many seasons but i'd also be happy to do something else or uh you know it's just just as long as i'm getting to play make believe at a level i'll be happy uh do you ever miss hell on wheels and if they ever asked you back and your free time to do a a one hour a two hour episode of hell on wheels or something would you did would you consider it i miss it like crazy really it was a chapter of my life it was a full chapter of my life uh i love working outside i love working with horses i loved working with all of the cast and and producers and everybody on that set.

I loved working with the network. But no, I would not go back and do it. You know, you know you've done your job when you feel like your character has deserved the rest. And it would be like grave digging to bring Cullen back. I wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do it. What was the hardest part of that series for you?

You know, I say I like to work outside, and I do, but the big stunt of that show was, you know, we didn't, we were all day's exterior. Even when we had interior scenes, those were just clabbard structures we threw up. That was not, we had no soundstage, nothing. We were out in a field in Alberta for six seasons. And so what's great about it is it, talk about forcing your hand creatively. The weather in that part of Northern Alberta is insane because you've got the weather system coming off the mountains and everything's sped up, right? So we would start days that would be sunny and by the end of the first half of the day, we would have rain turning into hail. You have to hold up the tent so the, you know, the tent doesn't crash down with the weight of the hail. And then it turns back into snow. Then you go back to match what you just shot in the rain and it's sunny again. And you have to figure out.

We had actually, we have a show, and it's in the show. We have a shot of Chris Heydahl, supposed to be walking up the hill to go menace some people. And we had a tornado touching down, like a mile away, maybe a mile and a half away. And I say, guys, quick, just grab the camera. Chris, go down there. We know you don't have the blood on your hands yet, but we'll see you that in. go walk up the hill just go down there walk up the hill and we caught we caught the tornado touching the earth as he walked up the hill and they used it yeah and they used it insane

yeah but working at exteriors is those people always dread working exteriors because it's usually usually night shoots uh i have a feeling like strange new worlds you don't do a lot of night shoots we did um oh i'm wrong not not a ton because we're shooting we would run out we would we most people worry about running out of light we were worried about running out of dark because we were shooting in northern Alberta in the summer so sun doesn't truly set fully

past the gloaming until like 11 p.m. in the dead of summer you're talking hell on wheels hell on wheels right right yeah and then and then the sun would start to rise at like four four 30 and so we did not nights shoots, but not a ton of them because it just wore

everyone out. What are you doing after this? Do you have a movie or anything set up after you're done filming or you just want to spend time with your family? I'm developing a couple of different things. I'd like to be, I'd like to be executive producing the next thing that I do and

doing it with people that I like. So, yeah, there's a couple of things sort of in the very early stages of development. some in a further along stage and um that would be great if i could just flow into something i'm producing yeah i'd really like that yeah uh knowing the business would you want your daughter to be in the entertainment industry or would you hopeful hoping are you hoping that you'll find

something else i want i want my daughter to do what's going to make her happy but i i don't i just don't want to be an undue influence on that, right? I want her, I don't want her to do it because she's seen Daddy do it and it looks fun. I want her to really have a passion for it. Um, you know, I was, I was, you know, Ollie Hudson? Yeah. Oliver Hudson, sure. So Ollie and I did a show together and I got, I got to know, so Ollie's, for the audience who doesn't know, Ollie's mom is Goldie Hahn and his dad is Kurt Russell. And so I got to know the family while we were shooting because they were living in Vancouver at the time. And Ollie told me that when he was, you know, when he was coming out of college, he went to his mom and he said, mom, I think I've decided I think I want to try, I think I want to try acting.

And Goldie was like, oh, okay. And he's like, so, um, is there anybody you think I should meet? And she goes, no. It's like, if you want to do it, do it, do it. Good luck. Do it on your own. Wow. Right?

Which is such, now that I'm a father, now I realize how much strength that takes to not want to fix everything for your child. Yeah. That is extraordinary emotional discipline. Well, you're helping them by, hey, go learn how to be an actor. study get the skills get the you know right and if you do it if you really do it the right way and you go down the education studying path you're going to find out real quick how much you love it or don't love it this is called shit talking with anson mount these are the top tiers they have

some questions for them uh go to patreon.com slash inside of you thank you for supporting the podcast cicely says when you got into acting did you receive any advice that's stuck with you throughout your career. I think it was my last year of graduate school. Somebody in the class asked a teacher who also works professionally. I said, same question. Like, what's the one piece of advice you would give us as we're moving into the business? And she said, buy good luggage. That's amazing. He's right. Yeah. That's like Betty Davis, an actress once asked her, you know, that Hoth saying, They asked her, what's your best advice? Can you give me advice?

And she thinks for a minute, she goes, take fountain. I think that was, I think that was, there's a couple of versions of that story. And I heard that it was actually, I heard Betty. It was Lou Wasserman. Oh, really? Because the fountain is right below sunset. and it runs parallel with census. It's not stoned for shopping.

It's just residential. It's never anybody's mind. It's quicker to take fountain than sunset. Everybody forgets about fountain. Take fountain. You've got to get across town. You take fountain. Raj, of course, Raj, you come up with this question.

Tell me how you maintain that seemingly perfect balance of salt and pepper hair. I hate grooming myself. so literally nothing. You don't do anything with your hair. I put product in it, but I don't like diet or anything like that. I mean, I'd talk to him

about maybe maintaining it when we started the show and we just didn't. If you go back and look at the first season, definitely if you look at Discovery, you'll see a change in my hair color over time. Well, for the first,

the men in my family started going, they started going gray in their 20s. And I did too. When I was doing Crossroads, they had to use mascara to color out the stray layers. You know, I only get gray hair here, just on my right here. Oh, yeah. That's it.

I get that too. Yeah. Certainly you can't see your stubble, right? Yeah, exactly. But do you have to shave mostly every day? I think it was Strange New Worlds. It was the first episode when you had a big beard, right? Right. That was my pandemic beard. I loved it. And that's a real beard. Yeah. That beard was epic, dude. You on the horse? I was ready to shave that it's for so long so ready to shave um what yeah beard i'm still in awe of that beard thank you do you in the off season do you like to grow facial hair um i don't really think about it so like i i will not shave until it gets uncomfortable and then i'll shave all right i like i literally i hate grooming myself almost as much as i hate shopping i like shopping i'm 52 and i still like going to the mall

every once in a while. We did some great shopping in Salt Lake City. You remember that? Those thrift shops were insane. Dude, they were epic and we did pool hall junkies. You know what? I have to say, we've talked about this before, but people always come up to me about pool hall junkies

and how much they love that movie. It was like a cult movie. When I do conventions, like people come up with the DVD all the time for me to sign. Isn't that something? It was just, it was such a great experience, like just hanging out with you and the boys and just young. I saw Ernie. I saw Ernie recently at a convention.

Yeah, I've seen him not that long ago. He looks the same. He's doing great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jessica B says, anything you've learned recently that changed your perspective on something. Yeah, I'm kind of shadowing Chris Fisher right now or a producing director because I just won't want to get a better sense of

structure behind the camera. and he's been teaching me about how about his prep his prep process and and having to force my mind out of the scene and to look at it literally from literally looking at the diagrams of the stage from a bird's eye perspective that's the first thing that you do right in trying to figure out where the cg ends and the actual set begins and what you can get away with on the A.R. Wall and what you can't and limitations there. It's all like, it's a real brain twister right now. Yeah.

Because it's a completely different. And yet, as what he, with what he does, he also has to do our work. He has to understand the scene from the character's point of view as well. So it's, it's, I'm learning a lot. Wow. Little Lisa says, what are you most thankful for? My family. yeah without a doubt yeah leanne now that you are part of the star trek universe what lessons have

you learned from it oh um i've learned how to how to i've learned how to i've learned how to i've learned how to get out of a seat and walk up to a giant screen really well uh i've learned how to I've learned how to do walk-and-talks better. What else? I don't know. Oh, a space gobbledy gook. I've gotten better at that. It's almost like a medical procedural,

except you don't have the benefit of these things that you're talking about actually existing. So you actually have to build what they are in your imagination in order to be able to remember your lines and use it effectively. way since you started doing star trek discovery strange new worlds when you when you go to these cons is it just i mean you're getting hell on wheels fans you're getting star trek fans there's probably you're probably signing a ton more autographs now aren't you well i never really did it before star track so i'm not sure but it's always there's always a lot of but i'm

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm always surprised at how, you know, like, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I think the big, the, the, the, the, the, I think the, big misconception of this is that these conventions are all about sci-fi and superheroes. This is, I actually get almost as many people coming and asking me to sign Helen Wheel's stuff as, as Star Charleston. Isn't that something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I mean, it's, I had this, uh, I was at a convention one time and, I was at a convention one time, and, you know you don't you never know who's going to walk up right um and deep in the line one time

one time there's this there's this guy who was wearing a like a leather biker's vest with the rocker on the back and he had face tattoos he's kind of looking around like this and i was like oh god and i was just like watching what he was doing the whole time and finally he gets up to the table and he goes hey man I just really like hell on wheels man I've never been to one of these things before it's kind of freaking me out but I'm glad it came because I got to meet you oh man that is brilliant he was actually uncomfortable I spent my time I'm talking to him because he was you know he was he he showed bravery by stepping out of his regular element you know my favorite memory is a fan waiting in line for me and then finally get

getting up and he just doesn't want an autograph doesn't want to think he just goes Gene Hackman's the best Lex Luthor and I go fuck yeah he is I agreed he goes oh okay and just walked off he wanted a wait in line just to tell me that Gene was the best and I was like I agree he's my favorite and he was just like oh all right it's just weird dude this is always a treat it's been so long i i want to i want to meet your daughter i want to meet i want to hang out with you i know you're crazy but maybe when you're done filming i just put up to l a what's that maybe when you're done filming we get ron i don't i don't make it to l a anymore because we're sort of you and i are both kind of kind of post audition you know you get you reach that age and they kind of

know whether they want you or not yeah or you do a zoom or you do a yeah you put yourself on And people are just leaving in L.A. in droves. I'm sure you're saying. Yeah. I mean, a lot of my friends have moved to Atlanta, Austin. Some people are considering Nashville, Oregon. Like, there's just a lot of my friends are going. And, you know, I've definitely thought about it. I won't be here forever. You know, I'll be 53. So instead of stressing about it, I'm just, I think I'll know when the time comes. Like, you know what? Let's go somewhere. else. I'm actually not going to be surprised the day that we hear about a major studio or network saying to themselves, why are we paying for an entire zip code of lot space when we could be in two floors of office cubicles in Atlanta? I think it's, yeah, it's already happening. The only thing, the only thing that's still shooting there is what sitcoms and game shows. Yeah. Well, because it's so difficult. It's so difficult. It's so.

difficult to shoot here and they don't give you any breaks and they don't they make it so hard for a filmmaker to film here and they wonder why everyone feels abroad or it's getting harder by the day because you're losing your props houses you're losing your your your costumers you're losing all the key people yeah um well look man i love you i always will love you uh i'm proud of you thanks man all right man i'm talking to you summer summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered. A cabana? That's a no, but a banana, that's a yes. A nice tan, sorry,

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