Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Beverly D'Angelo

Episode Date: July 16, 2019

Beverly D'Angelo (National Lampoon, Hair, American History X) opens up about the departure from her structured midwest upbringing in pursuit of fame and romance, her counterculture lifestyle during the 60’s and 70’s, and her evolution as a creative throughout her decades in the industry. Beverly also discusses the highs and lows during her career surrounded by friends, family, and loved ones like Al Pacino, Carrie Fisher, Don Henley, and Ronnie Walker. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Hey, folks, Rob Hollis is here. And so is Michael Rosenbaum. How are you? I'm good. Are you? How's Calvin? Calvin's grades.

He's two and a half. You know, Natalie's good. She likes you working so much. You're working a lot. She loves me working so much. Look how much your career's taken off in the last two years. All thanks to you. Well, you know, it's not that.

It's your talent and you're a personable guy. And, you know, all I could do is like, oh, hey, here's Rob. He's really talented. And you have to come through. And you did. Now you work with Dax, you work with a lot of other people. People just, they want to be around you. So I always get to have the nightmare that you're going to leave me one day.

Hopefully that day doesn't come. I don't know why it would. We just have to get more listeners, don't we? You just need to move closer to me. Well, I think that the show, honestly, I'm saying this. I mean, I could say this about some of my work, not a lot of my work. Well, I would just say that, like, I've been really good in things, and I've also done things that aren't great, that aren't good. And I would say that this is something that I really love doing.

I love talking to people and getting inside of them and I really believe that when people listen to the show and they have a friend listen the feedback is always like I wasn't expecting that I'm addicted

I have friends, colleagues who listen to the podcast and I don't know it means a lot because I really love it and I want to be good at certain things and this is something that I have fallen in love with it

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of someone who I adore, love, been in her house many times. We've partied with Carrie Fisher, and Beverly DeAngelo is, she's an icon, she's beautiful inside out, she has a heart of gold. We talk about her relationship with Al Pacino, and boy, does she talk about it, and we talk about her days on vacation, the vacation movies. But really, we talk about her life, but really, we talk about her life and like being a hippie and free love. She's a gentle lover. Yeah, and she loves sex and she, you know, she talked about it. And she was

really open, so I appreciate her. I appreciate Beverly DeAngelo. Let's get inside Beverly DeAngelo. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You. with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front

of a live studio audience. It's a Judd-Apital film. Now, one thing that was interesting was that I knew of Gary Shandling in another way, besides meeting him, it carries all the time. I'll tell you a funny story. Because we had the same acting teacher, and he loved Roy London. And in back, the Larry Sanders show had like, you know, and special thanks to

or dedicated to and that was kind of left out I mean they did touch on the fact that he was into acting and he had a was talked about acting and stuff but they really didn't get into the Royal London thing

but here's what's funny so I you know I met him at Carrie's house and he was around a lot and he did seem to have Terry Fisher yes and he did seem to have that habit of like meeting people

and then they'd like turn up on his show on the Larry Sanders show right so uh so you talked to me you knew all the time yeah and so anyway he said no you should be on the show and i said um yeah but what would i do and he goes you could be like someone who's always trying to get on the show and i don't want her to be on the show and like you know you're always bugging me and kind of stalking me and you know everybody knows they have to get rid of you and stuff i'm thinking that's like the shittiest role i do not want to play but you just nodded like yeah yeah Yeah, fucking right.

So the document on Gary Shanling, directed by Apatow's good. Yeah, I mean, here's what's good about it. What's good about it besides the fact that it's really honestly, it's a Judd-Apital movie, you know? It's like, it's clear and heartfelt and simple and funny and meaningful. But the thing that's cool is what he illuminates is that Gary Shandling, you know, had a great success. I mean, this is just from someone who doesn't know him, right? Didn't know him intimately. But if you break it down, you know, when he got the proceeds from climbing the mountaintop,

he went on a path of enlightenment and he meditated and he, he, it's called the Zen Diaries of Gary Shandling. And he, you know, was really into getting to that next step of enlightenment, the next level, forgiveness and understanding what life is about. And one of the guests there was saying, you know, I don't know, it looks like rich people's problems, like, you know, I mean, I'd love to go and contemplate my navel, but, you know, I'm sure a lot of people would, but, you know, they got to work the next shift at the diner, you know? Right. And I said, well, yeah, but think of how many people achieve, like, great financial security or artistic fulfillment, and they spend that free time that they've made for themselves, like, spiraling into drug addiction and what's the was you know the more i've been doing this too and i and of course yes people out there listening to god meditation and it's like come on who does this who has

time for this it's like a you know all these actors in hollywood but what i found is it doesn't matter you're rich or you're poor where you come from we all have certain upbringes you know like with my you know my relationships with certain family members things that happened to me as a kid that i didn't quite get over and so yeah you could just say oh yeah i'm just saying oh yeah i'm I'm cool, and I can go ahead and have fun and just disregard all those things and forget about all those things. Or I could sort of attack them face on and just say, hey, how do I just become a better person? Well, you know, I mean, really, I think that's what it comes down to.

It's, to me, that's what life is, you know. Finding yourself evolving. Yeah, and it's all about relationships and fulfilling. And purpose. And purpose. And really, you know, it could really just be as simple as the purpose is just, to help others it could be that simple i mean i like to and be it with all kinds of i've got to fulfill my gifts so there's a purpose i've got to entertain people but you know it can just be helping others

but there's this thing they say about men you know that like at the age of fifth how old are you now i'm getting there about 46 i'll be 40s okay so i think you're going to make it because by the way thank you for allowing me to be inside of you beverly de angelo yeah okay continue please sorry sorry for interrupting speaking so um but no what they say is the famous is that like when a man turns 50, he either starts on a path to become like the greatest guy in the world or an asshole. Like you kind of have a choice. I think like 50 is like a turning point in a man's life because by 50 you've kind of, you've got the lay of the land. You know what I mean?

You kind of know what's working for you. You know what's not going to work for you. And you know what you want. And that's like, that's like, I mean, you know, they used to call it like midlife crisis or something. but really it's like and I mean this is all in the context of watching that that documentary that he was a guy who when I don't know what age he was well he was 66 when he was young but here was someone who came to a certain crossroads and and you know made the choice to like figure out you know have you figured out me yeah are you no if you look back at young

bab when she was just starting out oh yeah like do you think there's a substantial evolution to bevel de angelo it's more like a devolution devolution devolution is like how how many things did I fuck up did you really just how much did I blow no well I mean look I've had opportunities I've taken like maybe three five 10 percent of the opportunities that have presented why is that because I think I was I think my whole thing has always been, you know, looking for love and all that. And my choices in life early on had to

do with being a singer, and I was driven by talent. And then once I, I kind of like peaked when I was 18, you know, my goal was to be in a rock band and I was like in the hottest rock band. And I was like, okay, okay, did that. Just all these doors kept opening, but what

I was really looking for was a family, a life. I was somebody who left home, really, really early early early early early. Did you have a good family? Well, when it comes down to it, yeah, I mean, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, until I was a teenager. So I was the beneficiary of those four square solid kind of values of honesty is the best policy. Honest people are good people, good people get ahead, bad people get punished. Who taught you these values? Your parents? It was kind of inherent in the Midwestern.

I lived in a very homogeneous community. I grew up in Indiana, so. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like if you went over to somebody's house, their mother would say the same things were right and wrong that your mother would. My mother said all the wrong things. She was a monster and I love her.

But I used to go to other people's houses because I wanted more of that family feel. And the mothers from other families, my friend's parents used to, I felt like they were, I was close to that. I remember asking Dottie Milliken if she'd be my mom once. My mother in five, I did grow up.

I'll tell you one thing. I did grow up witnessing an incredible romance. I was the product of an amazing love affair. Your mother and father. Yeah. And so I think in a lot of ways, I've always been like looking to have that kind of. Hopeless Romantics.

Well, looking to have a life that was imbued and founded on just love, you know, really. So, I was designed to be a flower jar. My grandmother on my father's side was what's called a letter bride. So when she was 15 and starving in Italy, her mother sent pictures of her to the Italians that had come to America at the turn of the century to work on the railroads and do that kind of stuff, to, like, you know, it's called a letter bride, and so you'd trade them in marriage. And my grandmother wanted to come to America. So she married my grandfather, who would come over as a glassblower, couldn't get work on that

work in a found real life. So that was an arranged marriage. on my mother's side you know upper middle class wasp Smith like Smith is in land on the Mayflower

kind of Smith and her mother had died when my mom was five they didn't even tell her they were so Victorian that they thought you know children would suffer too much so but when she was on a vacation

so yeah she's gone and when she was about 12 or 13 somebody broke it to her like hey she's dead your mom's not coming home so I'm illustrating that the concept of love was not was kind of foreign from both of these factions my mom went to smith college on a four-year violin scholarship full scholarship playing the violin

got out of smith and she ran away to sarasota and joined the circus my god yeah and her step-sister because her father then subsequently did remade he was very cool he designed the first Collegiate Football Stadium, OSU, the collegiate. Oh, yeah. Howard Dwight Smith, cool guy. I hardly knew him and you'll find out why. Anyway, but her step-sister, Sybil de Groot, who'd been a rocket who decided to become a psychologist, there was a new thing in 1949 called shock treatments, so they hauled my mom

back, gave her shock treatments, she got, she did six weeks of shock treatments, went to the local swimming pool. My dad, in the meantime, had been on the road at the tail end of the big band era. starting at 16, which was the Tony Pastor Orchestra. Both musicians. Rosemary Clooney was the singer with her sister Betty. Anyway, he's back in town in Columbus, goes to the swimming pool in upper Arlington,

no low Arlington. He says my mother had on a gold bathing suit. She said it was silver. He walked up to her, and he's like, you know, first generation Italian. He's what they called, you know, in those days, like the worst word you could say was wop. I can say it because I'm a Italian, but it means without passport.

But anyway, so he's, you know, oh, God, you know. I thought it was without papers. Well, anyway, so he, or Guapo, which means beautiful and dark. But anyway, he walked up to her and he said, you seen anybody and she went, oh, yeah, a couple people. She's just gotten out of the mental hospital. And like, yeah, right. And he has no idea what her background is.

And he says, well, get rid of them because I'm going to call you. What's your name? She said, Priscilla Smith. So he spent like two weeks because Smith, there were a million Smiths, right? Calls her up. It's been two weeks. And she says, I got rid of everybody. Like, what happened to you?

That was in August. All I know is this. By December, that was August of 1949, by December 19th of 1949, they eloped. And my brother was born in May. so if you do the math i think it happened like right away right away and uh she got disowned there for a while you know those pictures on my stairway those sketches yeah that's all i have of my grandpa really yeah that was a notebook that was like thrown away no i'll take that oh my god yeah like no silver no but anyway so the point that i'm trying to make is is when you said you know

where did you get those values and stuff like that i grew up with a mother who was five years older than my father at a time when that didn't happen. That's what my mother is. Who had been disowned for marrying this uneducated, first-generation Italian musician, kind of got him together. He became a very successful broadcasting executive in his time. And, you know, it was all love and because they let, and that's all they have. Well, they always affectionate with each other,

but they always kissing and always, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, always, always. And so you looked at that and that was one of the really good qualities. I looked at that, and I thought that's, that's a good thing. But by the time I was 14, I was kind of out of there because part of the good thing that I saw involved, like, you know, losing my virginity. You lost your virginity at 14. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you remember his name? Of course. No, no. Well, I don't, yeah, I do, but I was 18. No, it was a train. What was his name? His name was Grady Poe. Grady Poe.

Grady Poe. Give me some Moe. Grady Poe was the older brother of my best friend, Jenny. And Grady Poe was a senior when I was a sophomore We were going to get married And I think that's why I got sent to Italy Because what happened was we were like I mean like he had a motor

He had a triumph And we'd like you know Get on that bike and after school And hit the cornfields and just fuck You were in love Totally in love He gave me his class ring and everything like that People wear condoms back then

What? Not that you're old but I'm just saying They were condoms used a lot back then I remember when I lost my Virginia I used three types of birth control You were on three types of birth control I used three types of worth control Foam condom and

Pulling out Some prom night But anyway my parents kind of got wind of this somehow And the next thing you know I got shipped off to Italy Are you crying and now you resent them And fuck you I'm in love Well no it didn't happen like that

I went to Italy and I saw the world And suddenly it's like Ooh, up Burlington is kind of a small town. You fell in love with it. This is cool. How long were you there? Well, I was there for my first summer when I was 14, and then I went back there and went to school there. I went to, then I wanted to be a citizen of the world.

And you're playing music at this time. No, no. I was studying art. Everybody in my family was so musical that I didn't want to, it's like, don't touch that. so I could be the quiet girl who's sketched. So you drew and you were an artist? Yes. Can you still draw like pictures and look at what you can?

I came here to work for Hannah Barbaro. Right. I was always kind of lousy, I thought. But, you know, I had the background for it. And so I, so then I, when I was 15, I went back. I went to the American school in Florence. And then I just, I said to my parents, I'm not coming back. I don't want to go to my senior year.

I just want to stay here. They didn't freak out enough to come and get me, but they did make arrangements for me to get back. home and it was just kind of a long slow parade but I sent but but as I said my dad had in the meantime become this broadcasting executive and the company that he was the vice president of tap broadcasting bought Hannah Barbera so I sent my portfolio from the American school in Florence where I studied art to Hannah Barber and got a job so two days after I got how old were you 17 I got out of school early and you're going to California going to California two days after I

got out of school, dropped some acid, and I remember... Where did that come from? Well, you know, I think it came from Ricky Jones. I don't know. But anyway, drops some acid, and I just remember tripping and looking in my suitcase and saying, I don't need that. I just need to stress with the bells on it. I just need to go.

Yeah, I just need to go. And my mom was like, suddenly her eyes, we came about six feet wide. She said, you lie. you know and that's not going to work and it really made an impression and he said okay okay check that box I got to be honest and she looked at my suit because she said what are you doing she was crying

it was all very tragic but anyway I got out here and it was promising summer of 69 I'm 17 cute as a button more talented than you can believe and then I found out I could sing what do you mean more talented you could possibly imagine more talented with what before you could sing it was just

I just had a talent for life is what I mean meant. Oh, okay. I just had a talent for life. I could like, I could surf. Everything was fine. I don't mean literal. You could just jump into it. You were quick at everything. Hey, you were, oh, yeah, I'll do that. That's right. I had a talent for life. Had a talent for life. And Hannah Barbaro, how much are they paying you? Uh, I took, well, Disney, they paid a dollar an hour for anchoring painters. Hannah Barber was $1.25. And where are you living? Uh, well, that's interesting too. What did you do? Or who'd you live with? Do you meet some other boy with another triumph? Well, that's how I found it I could say. Uh, Joe McCutchen.

player was in a band called Of the people. Of the people. And they had a commune. It was a political band. They did lots of free concerts at Griffith Park where I'd like, you know, start burning money and stuff. And

what happened was they were very politicized. And as I said, summer of 69. And around November, like before I was 18, Joe said, listen, you know, you're attracting a lot of attention. Just by singing

Griffin, Griffith Park, and doing whatever? I wasn't singing yet. I'm getting to that. So what were you getting attention for? Just being hot, sexy. Dancing and just being a very young girl. I was 17, but I looked about 12. And I was up for anything.

Anything you want to do, I would do. Fearless. Fearless. Free love, pot, anything you want to do. Okay. Joe said, listen. You're jail bait. You really have to go.

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to protest Vietnam. So I said, okay, you know, fuck you, bye. But I knew that I could sing because I had always sung as a kid, but I didn't sing, sing, because everybody was musician and my brother was musician. But anyway, now that I'm free of all that kind of stuff, I'm thinking, well, you know what? Joe was this great guitar player. His band was like going to be a big deal so everybody got busted and shot and arrested for the people. Of the people. And I'd love to find those people again. But anyway, um, uh, lots of Marxism. For the protest. So I'd go for the protest. Anyway, but then, you know, what I noticed was that when I did sing, it changed everything around me. Like people treated me different and just the vibe was different. And I could sing. Well,

You had sung to your family, I'm sure. I sang, you know, when talent shows and stuff as a kid. But, I mean, as far as, okay, this is going to be my thing, now I'm looking for a band that needs a singer. That started then, as soon as I left. And where are you? Where's the St. Louis? Well, I was kind of floating around. I went to, I had some friends that had, I kind of was in this commune life.

There were communes. There was like a network of communes all over the United States. And I went back to Columbus for all. And Grady Poe in the meantime. Right. had turned in, had not gotten into, he'd been, qualified 4F, and he'd gone to Berkeley and become a hippie. So now he's got this commune. And there was a guy in the commune who was a draft dodger, and we like masqueraded him and got him across the border. Wait, so you go back,

you're hanging out with Grady? Well, Grady and his girlfriend is why, but it's all like that. And then I started writing songs. They got me a piano, and I just, I wrote a song a day, and I just started singing, and that's where it really started. It happened was in this little kind of enclave. And then I went to Canada, and then I went to, got pregnant, went to New York. They got a job with a band. It's such a long story. I don't want to, I can't. Well, you got pregnant. I didn't know you got pregnant. But you didn't have it. 18, no. And that, that didn't happen. Didn't happen. I went to New York, which was the only place where it was illegal to get an abortion. What was that like being, how old, you're 18?

I was 18. And what do you do? Is it one of those stories where you go into this, you go down a dark street, go up in this house and apartment building? No, not particularly because you have to remember that as a teenager, I was very connected in a weird way politically with a counterculture. And there was a lot of support in that counterculture, especially for people like me who were avid to live a new way and participate with a lot of energy in a new life.

It wasn't like I was rebelling against them because I wasn't. fully formed, but I knew I didn't want to go to the direction that, that had been laid out for me, you know, as a kid growing up in Columbus, Ohio. And so I was ready, you know, talent for living. Right. So Hannah-Oberra, that kind of thing's over, that chapter. That chapter's over. Now we're singing now. And then I'm in Canada, get knocked up. Take care of it, so to speak. Take care of it, New York. And the girl that I went to stay with, it was, again, connected. There was, I can't explain it, but there was like a connection of, of, there was a counterculture that was connected in Canada and the United States.

And I'm sort of helping you out. You belong. You're part of this thing that helped. Totally. If you weren't, it would have been, you would have been lost soul. Yeah. I would have been nowhere to go. That's right. But it was like, oh, God, I got to get to Vancouver. Oh, I know, you know, so and so. They live on the, you know, Jesse Jones lives on the wild Al Mountain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just thought, that kind of thing. So anyway, I'm in New York. There was this band that needed a singer. I go in. I auditioned that night. What was the band? It was called Amazing Grace. For the people? Amazing Grace.

Of the people. Of the people. I wasn't in Of the people. So now I'm in Amazing Grace. But again, young girl, 18. And these guys were serious. They were from Juilliard and, you know, they had a band called the Rock and Roll and Sound Fitt from Julia. Anyway, they were all great players. I was young. And we were doing this gig at Bard College and the guitar player was wearing tennis shoes and we did it we were opening for mike bloomfield which was this blues band they had these gigantic handley speakers which were the same speakers that had been used at woodstock huge wow outdoor concert on the grass wearing tennis shoes grass is wet guitar player gets electrocuted yours yeah he dies no he just gets thrown but it's enough we weren't making any money anyway

we had the car that we were driving around it was a hearse that you couldn't turn off because if you turned off the engine, the transmission fluid would leak. So you just kept it on all night? Just kept it on night. We were just like, we'd make money and just like put it into gas so we could drive places to play to make play. Anyway, it was really bad. And I just remember in the morning, I had on this black velvet dress and fish nets. And we were driving back to the city and we pulled into some diner in the middle of nowhere. And they looked at me like I was, you know, some, that all of us, like we were from outer space. And the piano player looked at me and he said, you know, you're green on stage and offstage.

you need to grow up a little bit. Also, his wife, the guitar, the piano player's wife, was insanely weird and decided that I was like, competitive. She didn't like to kill herself. It was terrible. It was just, it was too much of a drama. So far you had two bands, even for, even the guy from of the people said, go, you're too young, you're a jail bank, you're out, he kicks you out and this new band. Yeah, that's true. I never thought of that. And then you're kind of ostracized from this, like, you know. Yeah, right. I never thought about them. I got a complex. You're 18 years old now and you're going what the fuck well yeah but i i knew i could sing and that was it so you kept going so what was the next step for you as a singer oh god and you knew you wanted to be a singer at that point

oh yeah yeah oh yeah i have notebooks full of it oh god it's such a long path so anyway yeah i want to get to how it all really took off because i remember there's a band that you i'll try to make this short but it's so not short michael but i want to hear about when how did you meet the guys in the band. Oh, oh, that. I'm almost there. Yeah, well, that's... Okay, let me do it really fast. Get there. So, kicked out of the band, my friend Patchen, Eisenberg, said, you know what?

There are these people in San Francisco called the Mary Pranksters. They just got busted. But a couple of them bought some land in Vancouver. We're driving out there. You know, do you want to come? So I go out to this place in British Columbia. It was Chase, British Columbia. It was a commune, and, you know, we had to, like, build a, we never really got the house together.

We were trying to build an a frame, but ended up, like, every time it'd ring, we'd just get in the car. And are you sitting letters and shit talking to your parents, kind of keeping them in touch? Oh, yeah, Mom, I'm here. Hippy girl. You think I was anywhere? I wasn't even living with electricity. What are you talking about? So you had you, did you talk to your parents at all?

No. He just kind of fucked off. Well, I didn't consider it fucking off. I considered it being self-sufficient. I mean, I was literally. we didn't have running water or electricity in Chase. We had a stream. So winter comes a little drastic.

I figured this is not so great. Down the mountain, there was a guy and his wife and his kids. So I moved in with them, kind of took care of the kids. And then everybody started moving down from the commune because it got cold. And we showed this cowboy how to run his farm like communally in a way that he could make a profit, which was all great. but my part, my contribution was because everybody had to contribute what they could, right? And so I formed a square dance band

because there were lots of writing clubs around and people could really square dance and I learned some square dance calls because the wife of the guy whose farm that we moved on to had an old book of square dance calls. Yeah, first couple out to the couple on the ride your hands around and mind you.

Now don't forget to sing that girl, the girl you left behind. all right okay anyway so doing that and uh it's happening that was called bev in the beululaland five great bluegrass band and then there was this girl who came passing through was connected to the toronto branch of this commune life that i had been on connected through gaitipo anyway long story short there's a guy in toronto who wants me to come to toronto to do the backup vocals on an him he's going to do. What's his name? M. M. Yeah, E.M. So then I did call my mom and I said, hey, can you give me $80? Because I have this job in Toronto. I'm in Vancouver and I want to

pay you back. Train across. Yeah, I'll pay you back. And she did. Went to Western Union and got it. So then I go to Toronto and did that. And Toronto was for me, the promised land. And little did I know that Toronto as the promised land was the same kind of feeling that someone had had when they'd gotten there in 1958 and so I just started, now I'm in full form I'm doing every backup

confident you're confident I'm doing every backup vocal gig in town I'm going to the union to get jobs because the musicians union I joined the musicians union playing percussion like Maracas and tambourines and stuff like that and because you could go to them and say

I don't have a job to get you a job. I'd read that. I'd get up in the morning. I'd read the newspaper. I'd deploy for the things. And so I had this, I was kind of now, by this time I was headed in the direction of jazz. I'd kind of like followed an evolution on my own. I've coming from Columbus, Ohio, sampling country, going through bluegrass, going through rock and roll, da-da-da. So I'm getting pretty sophisticated now. My resources are more and more sophisticated. So I'm getting into jazz, right? And the, so I got a gig singing at a topless bar, called the Zanzibar.

Were you topless? No, I was not. I was in between, I wore a long gown. I only had one dress. I think I said one breast. Yeah, one breast. I only had one breast, Michael. Yeah, sorry.

But, no, so they were on either side of me, there were these women on five gallon oil drums that the tops were cut off. And there was light shooting up and, and every 40 minutes, I'd say, and now, gentlemen, it's swing time. And the girls would get on these trapeas and it was a raked seating and they'd swing across the heads of these guys eating popcorn. The sands far as I open from like two in the afternoon till two in the morning. But the real gig in town to have was with Ronnie Hawkins. Ronnie Hawkins was a guy who'd come to Canada with his band from Arkansas. I think originally they were called the Blackhawks, but he brought Lehman up with him from Arkansas. And he thought, oh my God, this is the prime.

They left him over. There were some disagreements within the band, so it was Levy on in the Hawks for a while. Then they had some record deals. They went to Big Pink. They did the thing with Dylan and they became the band, the band. And that brought a lot of attention to Ronnie. So Ronnie by 1970 had this big kind of renaissance, Ronnie Hawkins, where he got like rediscovered. And so, Suddenly, like, you know, you'd look around the audience, and Chris Christofferson would be sitting there, or Dylan would be in town. And you were close with Ronnie. Well, I sang in his band. I mean, for many years. Well, I mean, I just saw him last August. I mean, he's a lifelong person. I was mad at him for a long time.

Why is that? Well, you know, the blessing and the curse was it was because of Ronnie that I started acting. Because, as I said, he had this friend. And also, he's like one of the greats. He's an original. He, one of the guys who invented Rockabilly, if he would have stayed in the States, he probably would have been, you know, seen in a different position. But believe me, he changed the map of music in Canada, that's for sure.

He was really good at putting bands together and figuring out what was going on. What bands would I know that he put together? Well, he fired David Foster. Really? He said, you look like a cadaver on stage. It was either that or he was playing too many. sevenths, you know, too many chords. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. So Ronnie Hawkins got you into acting? Well, as I said, most popular guy in show business and everybody who was in town

came to pay their respects to a roots guy. I mean, it'd be like, it wasn't muddy waters, but, you know, on the level, I mean, roots people are roots people. He was authentic, and he is authentic, and he had an eye and an ear for authenticity. And that was perhaps his, his greatest skip when he was really at his peak. He's still around and kicking. So what happened was some very famous people came to Toronto and stayed with Ronnie and when they left

they left behind a baby bear aspirin bottle of heroin. At the same time in 70, 71, you know, 72 around then, Toronto they were like, oh god I don't know, 50,000, 75,000, 100,000

draft Dodgers and these were all talented, altruistic, idealistic, people that spoke my language politically, um, uh, uh, musically, artistically. So it's a real hotbed and also lots of pot. Ronnie got the most popular pot in town was called elephant. Elephant weed. I think it was tiesick or something. I'm not a pot smoker. I never was. But so Ronnie got the brilliant idea to rename the band Elephant. Hmm. So it's like, why not just put like a sign on us for the RCMP. But the way that he worked was you'd do the gig and then when it was finished, you'd rehearse. And then after you'd rehearse, you'd go back to his house and Mississauga and just

party all night. And that was drugs and fucking stuff like that, you know. And were you a pretty free spirit with that stuff back then? Well, I mean, I came of age, you know, in an era of free love. So, like, my, my norm was you feel it, you do it. You felt it. Oh, yeah. So if you, like, was there regulars or sometimes you just have sex with different people? You didn't care. Well, this is when I was saying I was mad at Ronnie for years because I absolutely was very proactive and autonomous sexually.

Right. Early, young. I started to get mad at him when I realized he had really taken advantage of that. because A, I started doing dope, but B, I'd sing, and then during the break, we'd walk amongst them. And the audience, he'd go, look at this gentleman. Because all the million, everybody loved Ronnie, especially these rich old guys, like, hey, he's fun, you know.

Look at this, gentleman, look at this little lady. Your gentleman, look at that chin, just right to set a set of balls on. And he was like using, he's like kind of pimping. But, I mean, it was all fun, but A, I was high, B, I was a kid, And see where I was coming from, I was coming from, in a way, like, such a wholesome place. Right. I had never encountered the concept of manipulation because I had kind of gone from being a very young teenager, a 15-year-old. And truth and honesty growing up in your family.

That's right. That's right. Into, you know, peace, love and happiness. Right. So I remembered feeling when I moved to Toronto, well, I'm dealing with commerce now. So anyway, what happened was I got a phone call. I was living with the wrong guy, too. This guy was beating me up as well.

I was very night. I was over my head. And I got a call saying, don't come to work tomorrow because Ronnie was arrested. It was the one night I didn't go out to his house after rehearsal. Because you would have been arrested. Yeah. And I wasn't. I didn't go there.

But I knew I had to do something. And I had done a radio musical that I'd got nominated for an acting award for. My luck, right? Which is like so great. It was a musical called Hey, Maryland. And I played Marilyn. and the guy who wrote it had written a musical version of Hamlet

and they were auditioning. I stayed in town a little bit and got some gigs wherever I could, but they were auditioning for Ophelia for a tour of this musical. And you got it. I got the gig, was on the road with that repertory company

for seven months, was summering Prince Edward Island doing this little show. Loved it? I loved it. When I go to my, you know, like how you have to like, Happy place?

That's my, my happy place is the back. In the morning. You still think of that. That's my happy place. Where you just... I'd wake up in the morning. I'd take a shower. I was always a night person because of the, you know, growing up and singing in bars.

But I'd take a cab to the center. And then I'd walk back home and I'd lay in the sun, you know, stop at the docks. You're 19, 20? Uh, I was about 20 by then, 21. I was older than some of the kids in the... So what got you back? Well, what happened was I was doing that show and there was this actress named Colleen Dewar's

who had a summer home and she'd done a Broadway show called Moon for the Miss Begot and she was very enchanted by this little musical and she brought her producer up to see it and they really did that thing. They did like fire everybody with that girl. They brought Gower Champion up who'd done Mame and West Side Story.

He was a choreographer and a director and it did 42nd Street after he did the ill-fated rockabai Hamlet but he took me and this guy Rory Dodd who would go on to sing with Meatloaf but they were so confident about this show that they built the sets into the stage of the Minskhoff Theater held 3,000 people

and we had three weeks of previews and then it closed like after a week so many people have said that they've seen that show but they didn't I just got invited to go back to New York as they're doing like a concert version of it at Feinstein's 54 where they're going to like you know sing a libretto and they said you know do you want to come back and say and I went you know I don't even think Maria Callis could like hit the same notes that you know 42 years later you know so no I won't be I won't be doing it but I'll be glad to write you know did you ever think that you know I mean I'm looking at this life of yours you're like this young girl and you get shipped off to Italy and you come back and you go out to California Summer of Love and you can you come back and you go out to California Summer of Love and you Then you fuck off to St. Louis, then you move to Vancouver, and then you're going to Toronto, and you do these musicals.

You're living on communes. You're doing country music. Well, that's what it's very natural to kind of step into the film business because it was all. But it was, it was a lot when the doors kind of, the doors didn't really open music, you know, for a path as a singer, but they, I really took to the film business because of the locations and the change and the kind of the family unit. You know, like everybody came together and stuff. And so what happened to me was when I did the film of hair, then I really got pulled into it. And how old were you needed hair? I think it was 23. 23.

What kind of experience is that doing hair? I was so in love with Milosh. It was the fulfillment of everything. Milus Freeman. Meelish Foreman, yeah. I said Freeman. I was thinking Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman.

Yeah, Morgan Freeman. Yeah, he was great, great director. Yeah. So did hair sort of change everything? well it would put me firmly in the arena of of show of filmmaking milish foreman was you know just gotten five Oscars for one for over cuckoo's nest hair was his love project uh it was a great introduction what's it like working with a guy like that we know when i did that musical i got all the reviews so like i the casting marian dardy who was called me into me at woody allen and i got

my screen actor's card with just a line and that so i and i did like a tv thing and a little movie called first love did you get caught up in this ship did you it seems to me like you're just kind of like yeah i'll do that okay cool let's just just keep going with it yeah you just until until 1981 and then i moved then i then i said fuck this and i moved it and that was it i couldn't what do you mean you quit well i kind of how old are you in 1981 so i was born in 51 so I was 29. I was born in November of 51. So you're 29 years old. You've done hair. You've done a couple of things. And you said I'm tired of it. I did cominer's daughter. I did paternity. I did hockey time. I did, uh, I did, uh, yeah, some of my favorites. Did you ever see any of these, Rob? Yeah, I've seen some of these. Well, anyway, I got my hits in. But what would make you want to just, I mean, look, I could answer that for me for certain things, but were you just tired of it at that point? Did you?

Well, no, but I met a man that I would end up being married to for 15 years, an Italian. And you were always looking for love in all the wrong places. And you finally found that. You're gone. So I went over there and, I mean, that world was insane. I was the first non-noble marriage in that family ever. And I still don't know how many rooms were in that villa in Tuscan. I really don't. How long did you live there?

Well, I mean, I was like, quote, unquote, based there for about four years before I decided to move to Ireland because they fell in love with somebody else. What was that guy's name? Neil Jordan. Neil Jordan. Oh, yeah. Did Neil Jordan do, I know everything there about the crying game. Yeah. Isn't that Neil Jordan? That was a great movie.

Wasn't it? It was. Was that around that time? Yes. And what was that love of Carolina? Well, he had just done Mona Lisa. He wasn't really yet. He was more a novelist when I met him. That was four years of Ireland. He wrote a beautiful movie for him. called The Miracle. There wasn't that good in, though, because he'd gotten some woman pregnant. I was freaked out by that. And it was really weird because the film is, and I always thought, he's making me do this so I can understand how he feels because it was a beautiful movie called

The Miracle that's very typically Neil Jordan in that things are not what they appear to be. And you say you didn't like your performance? No. Because your mind was somewhere else. Yeah. You were in love with him? Well, there was this, you, I mean, right before we were supposed to shoot it. I couldn't get a hold of it. I was in town just doing a few days on a John Schlesinger film. Very dear friend of mine who I always worked with whenever he asked me to.

And I had come into town and do that. And I couldn't get a hold of Neal. And Neil was a big drinker. There was no such thing as AA in Ireland. Everybody was drunk. Everybody was drunk. They were like grocery store slash pubs where you would go in and get a drink.

and they called it messages. I've got to go pick up my messages. That was like your grocery list. So you hand the grocery list to somebody and you sit there and get drunk and then they bring you a grocery. Everything was a pub, you know, but the local.

But I have a jar. You never really got shit can though, did you? No, I don't like to drink. You were everything in moderation. It's weird. Are you a control freak where you don't like to be out of control? Although you did do acid when you were.

I don't like to not feel. I don't like to feel bad. so like or blackout or forget what you did yeah i don't like that who does well a lot of people no i mean i don't like to feel bad i don't like to feel sick i don't like to feel you don't take any pills i don't take any pills you don't really take anything no psych meds no not i take a lot of vitamins take a lot of vitamins let us up when's the last time you got high high high on what on marijuana I don't smoke, we were one. I never did.

On drugs, I mean, high, I've had wine. Okay, you get drunk on wine. Well, but I don't drink to get drunk, but I mean, you know, we had drinks at my party. Sure. You seem like you're having a good time, but you didn't see Maddo Control. You didn't see hammered. I had a couple glasses. I don't like to get hammered.

Yeah, I don't either. Also, I'm a mom. Yeah, you can't do. The kids, they were upstairs playing video games. No, they actually weren't there. Oh, no, they were there. They were in the room. They were playing on Xbox.

They were they around? Yeah, they gave me a, your son gave me sort of a half handshake because he was programmed on the TV. But we've met before. Yeah, anyway, he's creating a video game right now. Were you fed up with sort of with the, with the business? You fell in love. You wanted that to work out.

I knew by 1981 that there was, that no one was ever going to get me in Hollywood. What do you mean no one was ever going to get you in Hollywood? Well, I looked to. around at the terrain. I still do. The terrain. I look at the terrain. I look about, I look at who's getting in the club and who's not. I'm not getting in that club. Club meaning you're not going to fall for these Hollywood antics, these guys. Okay, like for example, the whole me too thing. Yeah. All right. A, the equation would be non-existent for any man in the world to look at me and say, you know, hey, if you fuck me, I'll let you star in a movie and I would bite. I mean, that, I just,

go forget it then yeah and they said that not into it no what i'm saying is i radiated that there was i was not the oh you radiated don't you don't have a chance to don't go there so it never really happened what i like to say is if the men that i slept with are responsible for my career boy did i sleep with the wrong guys you know what i mean you have a great career oh michael what are you talking about what are i talking about are you serious? See, this is self-deprecation. It's not self-deprecate. No, no, you're delusional. No, here's what a great career is. What's great career? A great career is when you say, you know what, I'd like to do this and everything lines up to get you to do that. You don't have to

fight and push and shove and pull. Sounds to me like... That's a great career. Tell me if I'm wrong, but you're this girl who's kind of trying to figure it out and find love and all these things. you come in this free spirit who finds music and passion and gets to work for Hannah Barbera for a brief time and then finds a play. Hang on a thousand years ago. Then all of a sudden you end up doing hair and Patsy playing Patsy Cod's in another century. But what is it? Career, does a career mean that, oh, you have to do?

Life is one thing. A career is another thing. A career as a film actress? No, you could not say that I've had like a spectacular career. Absolutely not. Would you say you're a celebrity? I'd say I'm definitely a celebrity. say that too would you say you're a well-known celebrity at this point i think so i would

say that too i would say that's a vacation well vacation american history x you're brilliant american how about entourage for years you played a great character how about that's true but but i don't see those as as as things that that that uh you were nominated for a golden globe for patsy klein yeah i well i haven't been nominated for a golden globe look i'm not here toot your ego i'm saying it's obvious to a lot of people, maybe not yours. Look, I think you're insatiable as fuck. I think you always want to be working and doing what you want to be doing. Well, now I do.

I mean, I did like when I had the kids and I split up with Al, I kind of went, who's going to be the available parent here? So I made a conscious decision. An entourage was totally a gift to have a gig in town. But, I mean, all the things that I didn't do because I wanted to be available parent. So now my kids are older and I'm like, oh, okay, I can take off. and like, I'm old, man. What's your relationship with your kids?

Fabulous. Is it fun? Do you have a good time? Do you laugh a lot? Yeah, sure. But, I mean, you know, they're 17. They're juniors in high school. Rebellious?

No, and I really wouldn't say that we're never going to see the kind of rebellion that I experienced. No, no one will. You know, it won't. But when I see these kids who like did the walk out, that really was very moving to me. I thought, fantastic. I mean, Obama actually tweeted, I think, at one point, you know, saying, we've been waiting for you. And I feel like that.

I'm very impressed with this. I live in this weird world of, like, being the youngest part of the baby boomers and part of the generation that's called the, they're called the founders, you know, their post, their post Gen X kids. So I'm in that world and this other world. And it's very weird because I talk to my peers. and they don't know, like, they don't know what Digitour is, or they don't know what a YouTube, what you now is. They, they don't know, you know, there's so much stuff they didn't know. YouTube, yeah, I've heard of YouTube.

Did you say YouTube? You said YouTube. You said you now. Yeah. Or, you know, well, there's YouTube red now. But for example, I mean, the thing is, there's not, this whole digital platform and the way everybody has podcasts, blah, blah, blah. That's like, huh?

Right. But if I talk to my kids about that, it's like, I don't know anything. that's going out at all. Are they interested in you in terms of the things you've done, the movies you've done? Do they get sort of excited about that? Or what Al's done, their father? Well, we've always talked to them kind of. I mean, I saw that it was really important from the get-go that they understand. The most important thing is to connect with your spark, your passion. and that when dad was gone, it wasn't because he had to go away and make money. Or, you know, I thought that was really mundane.

So kind of bred into them is this idea that, you know, you do travel and you do have to go away from your loved ones in pursuit of art. Sometimes. You know, sometimes you do. Right. Sometimes you do. So they didn't see me as that person. But as it became, you know, I started to talk to them about this need. And I said, you know, I just, I'm going to have to, you know, it's like when there's something inside of you and you can't explain it, it's just not going to come out anyway.

Yeah, I've got to get it out. I can't, you know. And so they have a unique view of what it is to be, to have a creative life. They've been raised in an atmosphere where there's a great deal of value put on the act of creativity. Have they seen all your movies? Have they seen the vacations? Have they seen Al's movies? Did they watch those things?

Are you guys... Well, Al, you know, I mean, Al hasn't made movies for kids, but... That's true, he hasn't. But we have methodically screened his films for them. And what do they think? Love them. They love them. Yeah, we had like...

What's their favorite one? At this point, probably Scarface. Scarface? Because I get to see him out of control. Well, I don't know. I mean, it was just... But, you know, like, we'll rent like a theater and they invite all their friends. And stuff like that.

Yeah. He'll come and watch with them. Well, that's the whole point. Well, I mean, is it? I didn't know, but that's the great thing. He'll come and he'll be like, I don't want to be, you know, put to this. Well, it's a, you know, the point is to bring your whole family into what it is that you love, you know. And you guys get along now.

Yeah. Now, that took a while. Well, it took a while. It took until I just went, this guy is never going to change. you never like this is well when you met were you in love you were in love oh instantaneously right yeah and you thought this is the way it is and he says you i want you to be the mother of my children three months in three months in and then seven years later two kids later it was like not happening what was that heartbreaking for you was it i was very much the rug was very much it was it was very

there was a lot of internecine shit going on he had a there was a parallel story he had a businessman named Ken Starr, not the guy who did the client thing. But after I had the kids, I became more involved and more privy to his financial scene. Because it was always independent financially from the get-go. But then, I'd been on bed rest for seven months, the kids' twins, I got pregnant when I was 40. I mean, I was definitely not working. I was holding down the fort. Right.

So anyway, the kids were like six months old and long story. It was covered in vanity fair, so I'm not going to get into it. I've already told that story. Read Vanity Fair, but anyway. In a nutshell. In a nutshell, what happens. I said when the kids were six months old, I said, your business manager is a crook. And I said five years from now it's going to be you and me and the kids or you and him

because there's something screwy going on. He'd done something. And little did I know that I was igniting. the fuse of a criminal. And that was in 2001. And he was also a lawyer. So, Al, I had finally got, by the time the kids were two, I'd gotten Al to agree to audit him. He was going to audit him, and I was going to do a one-woman show at Joe's Pub the following June, South February. and I was going to fly back to L.A. and get the band together that I'd been doing, I did the Viper Room. Midnight shows at the Vipar Room. So I was getting the Blue Martini back together and

I was going to use them, write material, and go into Joe's Pub in New York and June. I was going to come back, use the actor's studio. I mean, I had the whole plan, but it involved going to L.A. with the kids. And, you know, we had kind of ramped up to this audit that was supposed to happen. And right before I was going to leave for L.A., I was in the country house, and a state manager called and said, what are you doing? I said, oh, I'm just online, you know. And he said, as a kid's asleep? And I went, yeah, why?

Because it was like 6.30. And he said, oh, I just wondered. And then there's a knock at the door, because there were two houses on me. They say, knock at the door. And Bob, the state manager, says, I just want you to know I'm quitting tomorrow. And I went, okay. And then the guy standing beside him said, are you Beverly D'Angelo? And I said, yeah.

And he went, you've been served. So I opened up this envelope and it's a custody filing and it's Al, signed by the business manager because he's a lawyer. Ken Starr. And it's a custody file. And it was odd. And it said, you know, that Al was filing in court to get a grant to be able to take the kids, with him without the mother. I was worded even weird.

What the fuck did this come out of? I called him up and said, what is this? He goes, well, you know, we're not married. So it's just, you know, a custody thing. Because if you're not married, you don't, whatever. And I was like, huh? And I went, well, do I need a lawyer? And he went, oh, the court will give you one.

And I went, the court. So I'm like, what the fuck is happening? And so immediately I thought, okay. Who is the most powerful person I know in New York? And it was Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman, the actor? No, Ron Perlman. So Jesus, the guy from Road, what's it called?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Son's of Anarchy. Son's of Anarchy. Ron Perlman? I called the Sons of Anarchy. I called Raya Perlman. Yeah, I called Ray of Perlman. Can you tell DeVito?

I called him up and he gets his lawyer on the phone. And then it was on. And suddenly it was like, oh my God. I went, that was a Saturday, I went in, and I said, are you coming home? And I went, no, I'm going to stay with Jim. I'm in Poughkeepsie. It was like, what? So he planned this whole thing.

It was all very weird. I was really like rug out from underneath me. And when I went in to meet this lawyer on Monday, they, Al had like lawyer to have, he had like seven lawyers. He had like Woody Allen's lawyer firm. So I went in and I said, this is all a mistake. He's being railroaded. This isn't his idea.

It's Ken Starr. And they said, okay, look, little girl, here's the deal. Even if he's not driving this train, he's saying yes to the people that are driving the train. So you had to get to find. Yeah, you had to get to Allen kind of sort of figure this out and like say, I mean, ultimately this went on and on, right? I, no, I couldn't get to him. And then what happened was, then what happened, because they closed in. And in hindsight, I could see that, like, when I got, because I was with him for seven years.

I've known him now for 23. But, you know, there's a phenomena around Al. And when I first got together with him, you know, people befriended me, perceiving me to be a conduit to him. Oh, it was, yeah. But, you know, I always had a great bullshit detector, you know. And so I was like, but then when I had the kids, it was a different wave of stuff. And I felt an aggression, and I felt, oh, my God, these people are now worried that there's, there are two kids in his life. There's a woman who's in his life.

Like, it's really hard to explain, but it was a phenomena that turned from, oh, Bev, let's be nice to you because you'll put us in touch with Al to, to Bev, let's not be nice to you because you're a threat now. This is too much. anyway there are so many dynamics to figure out you know what what leads to the end of something but somehow somehow how did it all work out where you just eventually said hey i'm going to let's drop all this shit and let's just um eventually he dropped everything and i so he spent money tons of money years of bullshit it got deposed and then then he said okay you can go back to because what happened was this i was stupefied but I picked up, I found, Carrie called me and she said, you're all over Star Magazine.

And for two weeks in running, there were all these plants when we found out that his publicist had been planting this stuff about me in a tabloid. And this was like two weeks after he'd filed. It was a mess. And it was all calculated, you know. And that's when I realized, oh my God, I have to fight now. I'm going to lose these kids. Yeah. I have to find. I'm going to end up in New York. Because basically, what was being done was it was kind of like a gaslighting. What it was really about was let's get Beverly DeAngelo out of the quotient because her whole thing is getting rid of Ken Starr. And I remember even friends of mine saying, you've got to drop this Ken Starr stuff. He's family. You're driving everybody nuts. Just concentrate on your relationship. You're obsessed with Ken Starr. Cut to. Ken Starr in 2010 was,

caught, admitted to, admitted to $39 million worth of wire fraud, you know, ripped off Umah Thurman, Martin, Martin, Scott says, Neil Simon, Al, everybody, admitted to 39 million worth, which means he did much more than that. But, you know, that was, I called it in 2001. And he... Do you ever say Al, remember when I told you? Yeah. Motherfucker.

I didn't say that. Okay. I just said, I'm not going to say I told you to so, but hey, he's in jail. Well, look, long story short, you and Al now, it's okay. You have good conversations. You can call them, he'll call you. We have for years, yeah. We have for years.

Now it's kind of worked itself out, which is better for the kids, better for everyone. Well, I mean, you know, the kids were never exposed to any. They, we kind of, I mean, I guess the good thing we did is we kind of got out of each other's way before the kids had much to lose. Right. But as far, I think, you know, I'm somebody who's always had this, like, sense of joy. justice. Like, I used to tease Carrie and say, when she'd go into certain rants and say, oh, someone should sing this, you know, mine eyes have seen the glory, because battle him in the republic behind that, because you could do that for lots of my raps. You know what I mean? I'm very righteous and

obsessed with justice and everything like that. And I think when I, when I dropped my, my whole thing about like, what's right and what's wrong, and just got to the point of acceptance, life became a lot easier, you know, life became a lot of ways. Does Al ever say, hey, Bev, let's go grab a movie, grab a milkshake? I don't do a good impression about it. I've never tried. Everybody always goes to the gruff voice.

But I don't know how to have never done an impression. You know, you know, you know what I've noticed? I know you should have played that, and we should have done the script that you would, but anyway, I know, can you believe that? Yeah, Rob, you don't know this, but Chris, my, one of my writing partners. And I tried so hard. We touched Bab and Chabby. a movie for a vacation sequel

that they loved. We pitched it New Line because New Line was looking for something and they ended up with the, they loved our pitch but they ended up with going with the one that came out a couple years ago. But why did they go with those guys? Because I don't honestly here's what's weird. I remember they said, hey we love Bev and Chevy

but we don't have the story to be a lot about them. Well, I think that's where they got it wrong. It was a demographic. That was a demographic thing. Our whole story involved the whole family again. Like doing this one last trip together. Remember we started with a divorce or something yeah it was very cool i remember that story it was really cool and the daughter was like messed up in a hotel and and and she wanted to have a wedding and yeah and we had randy uh cousin randy

had the bailist son out of jail or something yeah yeah yeah that's right it was this last kind of hurrah passing the torch we loved it but you know what maybe you should just take a revisit to that and rejig it you know i would i will say this i'm going to talk about two more things and then i'm going to let you go we're going to take a little picture but i like have i been too serious no no and look we look i love here's why i love it we love it because no no no no no it's this room it's so dark and no listen to me it's not that serious you take the picture of star wars in here look at look at at fred hitchcock there he looks miserable and there's the wicked richard hitchcock it's not Winston Churchill who's that it's george lucas it's uh obi one canelby or some know him as old ben

canobi there's what was the witch's name What was the Wicked Witch of the Western name in the movie? What was her real name? Marjorie. Margaret Hamilton. Okay. So here's what I'm going to say. Look, I love this story because, and we'll look at it, but I love the, I didn't know this about you.

Because all I know is the story from when I met you, which was a Carrie Fisher's house, which our beloved Carrie Fisher. And it was the most devastating thing that happened a year ago, just over a year ago. Ruined. I mean, so let me ask you this. For people who didn't know Carrie, and most people know her as Princess Leia and this and that, we got to know her. Okay, but you know how I met. I became a plot point in Postcards from the Edge.

That's how you guys met, because she wrote Postcards on the Edge. No, we met because I was a secret, I was married, but I was seeing Don Henley. I went to, I went to a... You know who Don Henley is, Rob? I don't. The Eagles. Singers from the Eagles. Okay.

So it's 1989. So it's 1985. I'm seeing Don Henley. I'm married. Was he a good lay? Yeah. Awesome. Into porn films and so.

He was cool. So he'd watch porn while you're having sex. He was cool. Okay, so anyway, but any rock star, you know what I mean? But anyway, I was married to the Duke, but I was in town and kind of doing this thing. But I get this phone call from him. This is a story worth telling. I'll make it best.

It's what made us best friends until the day she died. So I get this phone call and it's about 4 o'clock in the afternoon. afternoon and it's dawn. And he said, what are you doing? Meet me down at the sunset grill? No, I said, yeah, Dan, I said, I said, nothing. He said, do you have anything to eat? And I said, yeah. And he goes, I want to come over for dinner. I said, okay, fine. He goes, I'm at this event. He goes, I met this like event. And it's a drag and it's a dinner break now. So I'll come over. And I went, okay, fine. So he comes over, eats, we have sex. And he says, you know, okay, I got to go back to this thing. but you know come he lived up on mahal and I was on outposts he said you know but come spend the night at my house

tonight I'll call you when I get home I went okay great he goes off it's now like midnight and he hasn't called me and I thought well that's weird so I called his house and he answers the phone like this is hello I went dawn yeah I'm asleep and I went oh okay and I hung with the phone and I thought okay I have to make a move so I decided I would disappear he said I'll call you tomorrow right so I thought okay well when he calls me no I'm not going to be here I'm

like so not going to be here I'm going to go out of town so I decided to go to the myriad of hot springs because in the early 80s there was a whole thing where people would like go to these health spas for weekends this is before rehab and you'd go

and you detox and get healthy and you know so you went there So I go to Mirate at Hot Springs. There were no phones in the room. There was a pay phone in the lobby. And everybody was lined up in the phone. John Peters, Carrie Fisher, all these people were lined up to use the phone. I'm behind Carrie.

She turns around. I'd met her once at Sue Manger's house earlier, a few years earlier. Hi, how are you? What are you doing here? I said, ah, long story. What are you doing here? She's a long story. Come down to her room.

I go down to her room. She's there with this guy named Paul Slansky. Her room is full of legal pads. And she'd just gotten a deal to write a book. Mommy Dearest had come out, and she was going to write a book called Money Dearest about her childhood growing up as the daughter of Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher, and Paul Slansky was her editor, and they were working on the thing. So I knew what she was doing.

She said, what are you doing here? And I said, oh, well, but, you know, I'm a bonder. And I said, I've been seeing this guy. And, you know, I'm married. He's involved, but anyway. Oh, you're married? Oh, I was married for years. So you're married while you're having an affair with him?

I was married for 15 years while I had affairs with everybody. Oh, awesome. So did my husband. Didn't know that? The Duke. The Duke. Right. I still love that, man, Lorenzo.

I'd go back to him in a minute. But what happened was, I said, so here's the deal. Yesterday, he called me up and just, like, had to see me. He comes over. Then he, he says at this horrible event, but then he has to go back to this event. And then I, you know, then he said he was going to call me, and he didn't. I called him. He said he'd call me.

today so I knew I had to get out of town so that's what she said she goes oh well what event was yet and I went huh like that's not come on she doesn't that's not a question it's not a coincidence is that's not a question she goes well wait a minute wait a minute she goes who is this guy is that I can't tell you and so we start playing this guessing game she had been at the event with don henley she was at his house when I called they were eating hamburgers so she had sex with him too she was she was him too. So we made this blood. Don Henley. Yeah. So we made this, this, this bond. And we decided that whoever he called first after our weekend away would bust him. Monday comes. He calls me. He comes over. We're in bed. It's done. And I said, you know, I met somebody really interesting in my new

best friend this weekend. He went, who'd you meet? And I said, I met Carrie Fisher. And he went, oh and I said you're so busted so I busted I love how you fuck him first and then tell he's busted most women would say you're a piece of shit you're not fucking me well that's not my style so anyway I wasn't out to torture anybody right right right but yeah I just wanted to bust him and it was because my friendship with her was better than right anything that was ever going to happen with him yeah so she never really busted him she did manage to keep that friendship but we became best friends and it worked its way into postcards from the edge

where in the story it goes into much more detail than it does in the film but she finds out that Annette Benning was that she wanted me to audition for the role that was based on me and I hated what she, I didn't like it. She wrote like a

B actress you know, nimpo maniac and I thought that's not me but you know I guess maybe but anyway best friends for life so the thing is I would go over to see Carrie and just stay there. And we traveled all over there. We were never out of touch. But we had a lot of serious hang time. And one thing I did learn how to do, starting out early as like a flower child floating around all over the place. And a musician was hanging,

which is what I love. You just like make it up as you go along. And if there's music in it, so inevitably, whenever we'd get together, and it was something that Griffin Dunn actually said in in that bright lights documentary about her. I really picked up on that when he said that when they were roommates in New York, that they just sang all day long, I'm going into the kitchen. That's exactly how she would sound. You sounded like her in a way.

That's right. So anyway, so that was a big part of our life. So the other day, I don't know how I found this, but I was looking at my phone. And I found a video that in a nutshell was really what our relationship was really what our relationship was, our relationship was agenda list. When you think about two women who were actresses and, and, you know, agendaless. Agenda less. And we just hung out together. And I really do think that one of the ingredients of our friendship was that what we wanted from each other was friendship. That's it. It wasn't like, oh, this person, because Carrie would have, Carrie would

have friends that, you know, were as a result of work or professional. And they'd be there. And they'd be there for a while. And then they'd be gone when that mission was accomplished. Right. But, you know, I was, we always had that thing. Anyway, so I found this, this video that we made. She'd just gotten her dog, Gary. So I'm going to play the audio because of video.

Yeah, and, and for some reason, she just started singing. To Gary. She wanted me to film Gary. So we were making, we're taking pictures of Gary. And, and she started singing, come back to me. Well, let's hear it. Okay. So this is on your iPhone.

listening to this now. It's Beverly DiAngelo, the late beautiful Carrie Fisher singing to Carrie's dog, Gary. Yeah, with a song made up on the spot. Here's Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary over here. Caddy, oh, Getty, oh, Getty, oh, Getty, oh, Getty, come back to me.

Getty, Gary, oh, getty, oh, getty, oh, getty. Oh, jeepoo-dee, giddy, giddy, giddy, Getty, oh, Gary, oh, getty, come back to me, Gary, Gary, Gary you see Getty oh, Gary oh, Getty, oh, Gary Gary oh, Gary Oh, Jerry Oh, Jerry

That just honestly made I put a tear in my eye that put No, but I mean, that's like, that's it in the nutshell And then I don't, and then after that we did it again and again and again You know, people always say, you know, what was she like? I was like, I was like, to each person, she was different, she had her own relationships with everybody, you know? For me, it was like I was kind of a lost soul

and she just stay in my bungalow for a couple months, get your shit together. And Sarah Paulson was getting her shit together. We were both kind of fucked up. She always had that going on. She was always helpful. And also just the way that she would meet somebody, she had like her supporting team.

And if you recall, it's like she'd bring somebody new and then she'd get her gang together and have the party to bring the next person in. I think she loved it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It'd be like, you know, kind of. come over for dinner you gotta come and there'd be like then frank gary would be there then he then he'd get relegated to a regular then buck henry yeah well buck was always there yeah yeah yeah going to the house

going to carrie fisher's house was just and what's great is and i said this to you and i was like you know it's nice that you're because you're having these gatherings and things and you're like no no this is i'm not doing that because of that you just have the gatherings because she had this thing well no what happened was that that that there that i was absolutely devastated and immediately Immediately, Gavin DeBacker, Bruce Wagner, Charlie Wessler, and Griffin Dunn and I, of necessity, had a group email going. And it came out of like communicating around her when she was in the hospital and the dead and bringing everybody together, you know. And then it continued as kind of like a repository for the grief. and I would just write to that

every single day for months and months really went down very low to the point where I was like on my knees by last October and I just said God I can't this one I can't get over I do not have this in me I feel like a lot of people thought that way

I cannot bounce back and yet it happened so by December I thought you know what I want to celebrate that I'm back on my feet and it was really about bringing together

all those people that that I knew through Carrie, who loved Carrie and who missed Carrie. And then there were people that couldn't come. And so then there was another one.

But, um... Yeah, Buck Henner was there. Ed Bigley was there. Yeah. Dave was there. And the thing is, you know, these are all people that it's strange because my, so many French, I was, we really don't know how much we relied on Carrie. for our social lives.

We were lazy socially. So when I said, you know, I'm not doing this because it's more that I realized that I had been so dependent on her socially that I really needed to stand up a little bit. Sure. Because there were so many friendships that I had just because like, oh, I'll see him at carries. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have to work on my own. But for me, I felt like it was sort of like a place to go to when you weren't, you know, you weren't feeling great mentally. You were a little lost.

you a little you always felt like it was kind of home i told her something once and she said fuck off i said carrie you remind me of my grandmother and she goes fuck off i go nope wait before you finish not because you're old she's a lot my grandma's she walked like a grandma well she did with her slippers but my grandmother used to always have an open open house to anybody who wanted to come in and just that it's really when you think about it you know i mean debby and eddie that that the legend of debby and Eddie was such a profound effect on her life. She was, Carrie was the patron saint of abandoned and lost people. And had

been, you know, part of the mythology of her family was that her mother, this great woman, had been abandoned. And she had to. She had also been abandoned. And still, kept such a great, and still stay close with her mother and father and still took care of her mother and still like she was always that. Oh, no, she was, we won't see the likes of her. No. This has been an incredible interview.

Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you, Beverly DeAngelo. This has been a real treat. I love hanging with you. Wait, wait. Can we play out? Yes, play out. Let's do the play out. Do you have it ready? Yes, I do.

Okay. Getty, O, Getty, oh, Getty, oh, Getty, come back to me. Getty, you see. Daddy, oh, Gary, oh, Gary. Come back to me. Gary, you see. Getty, oh, Gary, oh, Gary. Come back to me, Gary, you see.

Getty, oh, Gary, oh, Gary, oh, Gary, oh, Gary, oh. You can hear him licking. This has been a real treat. Thanks, Beth. Bye. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle.

A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here. stacking benjamins follow and listen on your favorite platform