Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - BOB ODENKIRK: The Heart Attack That Changed Everything & Why He Refused To Play It Safe

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Bob Odenkirk joins us for a layered and unexpectedly vulnerable conversation about reinvention, ego, and mortality. Bob breaks down the exact moment he decided to pivot from comedy and Saul Goodman into full blown action films, why he refused to wink at the audience in Nobody, and how real life rage from a home invasion became creative fuel. He also opens up about collapsing on set from a heart attack, losing a week of memory, and the hard reality of limited time at 63. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self 🔹 Blue Chew: bluechew.com + “inside” __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But other great guests coming up as well. So without further ado, did I forget anything? Probably not. Let's get inside of the Bob Odenkirk. Where you get nervous for a role. Oh my God. I get panicked. Do you get anxiety? Yeah, I live with anxiety. What are you doing? I was just taking a live picture. I always get nervous, but that's fun. I look forward to it.

Let's get everything out of today we can. And how much time do you have left? And how are you going to use it well? So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're going on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

Did you cry when the Cubs won the World Series? froze and I didn't unfreeze for a day or two because it was so impossible to believe first of all I'm going to be totally honest I was shooting better call Saul right and I had 12 16 hour days 12 hour day would be easy we didn't have 12 barred

we had 14 16 hour days right I'm loving this world series I'm loving the Cubs that year watch the game starts to rain i got to get up at 530 they're losing i'm like well that's it come on you know what you know how this plays out so i go to bed and the phone rings and that's my brother bill who does not follow sports at all and this was the amazing thing about that chicago win is all these people who don't care about sports or claim not to, they were just having the great, it meant so much to everybody.

My mom, you know, my mom cares about or care, she just passed away, but she cared about the Pope and that's it. The Pope? Yeah, Catholicism. She was an extreme Catholic. Oh, wow. Did you ever see that, Fox TV show, Extreme Catholics? No.

Yeah, it's awesome. It's a reality. Obviously a reality show. This man's been in confession for 35 hours. So your brother? My brother called me. He said, you got to go back.

You got to turn your TV on, man. So then I didn't watch the rest of it. And, oh, by the way, I was on the phone with Garland during the game. And, of course, they're losing and he's mad. And he starts complaining about the commercials. He's hating, who the fuck needs to know about, subway sandwiches who cares no one cares they be no one's eating subway sandwiches anymore i'm like yeah they are they are to add relax but he's just mad at everything in the world but um

then uh we we won and i the the people if you remember that uh you probably didn't watch that close but the victory parades were 40 people deep you know the parade of the of the of the team a few days later it's like it's it's like and my mom my mom called me the next day

did you see can you believe it I'm like what you yeah it was the greatest thing ever it meant it shows you how much it means to people that their community and what they want to be connected to and excited by and having a win once in a while.

Yeah. And feeling like you're part of a community that can be happy to be who they are. Yeah. To be, we are Chicago. Yeah. Or whatever it is. I understand you agree with a Mets fan here.

So I know what you're feeling. Yeah. Yeah. It was a long, long wait. I mean, really, you get to a point where you're just like, I just like baseball. I don't need to win. No one actually feels that way.

No one. I tell myself that sometimes. I don't care if we win. I just like baseball. It's not true. You want to win. Look, we got a great team this year. Do you care if you win again?

Are we going to win the World Series this year? Yeah. How much by. Oh, my God. I don't want to be, you know, egotistical. we're not going to win by more than eight points. Points. Yeah.

Eight runs. Eight runs in the seventh game. We're not, no, fourth game. We're not going to win by more than, relax, 12 runs in the fourth game.

Just remember that. It's going to be like the Simpsons episode, where we go back and go, holy shit, Bob was right. Bob did it. You know, Joe, my buddy, who you meant, there in the living room. I called him and I go and he just, I've never seen him. Just hysterical.

So happy. It was so beautiful. I cry because you know what it is? I think being a, what do you call a Chicagoan? Yeah. Or a New York Metfan. Yeah. I've always. A Metfen. A Metfen? A Metfen. I'm a Metfen. I just feel like I always have been rooting for the underdog maybe because we've always been the underdog so yeah i'm that way by the way always if i'm watching the super bowl and the bears aren't in it i am just watching to see who's going to be looking like they're having a hard day and that's going to be my team i wait to see which team is sucking and then i'm like that's my that's my group i want them to well a lot of the roles you play are kind of the underdog yeah but i i don't know who wants to root you for the clear winner who gives a shit i i mean i could that's not true because i've certainly rooted for

michael jordan yeah that so i guess i i don't know you had that it's more fun to root for the underdog always yeah and those days of harry carry carry oh yeah by the way i i first saw harry carry at the socks park at kumisky yeah he was an announcer for the socks first right i was a little kid and my grandpa was a Sox fan and then became a Cubs fan because I think the TV signal was way better. But my grandpa grew up near Kamisky. Did you ever meet him? I met my grandpa. No, God damn it.

Did I meet Harry Carey? No, I didn't meet Harry. But right now you can. Hey, Bob. What a great day. You know, harmless cumulus clouds lingering overhead, fans filing off the subway range. It's a beautiful day for a high drive and a right feet. I love Terry because I grew up in Indiana.

Yeah. And so I didn't have my mess because I was born in New York. But all we got were Cub games and Atlanta Brave games. Yeah. What was his name Turner? Yeah, Ted Turner. Ted Turner. So I always listen to Carrie and I'm like, I can't wait until he gets drunk.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he was always shit-faced by the fourth thing. Yeah. Here's a fella. Dave Concepci. And all the words just slurred. I mean, what a wonder. He just loved that guy.

It was the atmosphere. Yeah, yeah. It was just being there. Yeah. Do you think it's the same now or it's just, it's very commercial now? Well, Wrigley Field has a lot to do with it. It's the venue matters a lot. Riggily Field has such a magical energy.

And I think it infects everybody and in fact the players, I think, feel it too. Yeah. It's funny. They do talk about it. So when I was at spring training just the other day, we were, I was with Chris with Tasky. Do you know Chris? No.

Great actor. Great funny Chicago actor. And he, we're talking to all the players. We're talking to Pete Crowe and everybody, happen. Gee, who else did we meet? We met a bunch of guys. Jack would know.

She's a Cubs fan. And they're talking about Wrigley and how special it is. Wow. And how great it is, how great the fans are. They're talking about how many fans are showing up at Sloan Park in Mesa to see them do spring training. And they can't believe it? I mean, every single player is like, can you believe this place?

Can you believe? So when I went the games where it was Monday and Tuesday, the games were it was a small audience of 9,000. But they're like, we go to other parks. It's 1,000 people. Oh, yeah. I've been. And on the weekends, it's 15,000 at Sloan Park.

So they're, you know, they do appreciate. I mean, look, I'm not pimping them for this stuff. I'm like, hey, man, it's great to meet you. Yeah, yeah, it's great to be on the Cubs. And I love Wrigley so much. Unsolicited. They're just, yeah, that's where their brain goes to. I love that.

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I try not to be intimidated or care about the size of the project that I'm in. If I'm on Broadway, you know, or in a Spielberg movie, I go, it's just a movie. It's just a movie. Just do your job. You can do that. Well, I tell myself that. I

think it's a good way to go through life and do a good job. To try. To try. Just say it doesn't matter. The size of the field is the same. Yeah. The job is the same it doesn't man by the way if it's a small little film my wife produced a really funny movie last year what was it and i don't it well it hasn't come out oh okay they're cutting it so the name i'm just going to drop the name drop it the making of jesus diabetes with wilfr brimley i'm not gonna tell you any more about it it's really fun that sounds ridiculously funny and uh i just have a

small part in it but you know you just go i'm i'm not going to treat you this like a small part. I'm going to treat it like. 100%. Yeah. So you just, that's how I see the players. I just think, don't they just think who cares? It's just, I guess I have to know how far the, the wall is in the back so I don't run into it or so I know where to hit my home runs. But no, it matters to them. And of course it does. Of course, it's the variable that changes is the audience, the crowd and the energy of place. So anyway, I think Wrigley Field has a lot to do with it. I think these things matter a

lot. It's its own character. Yeah. I mean, it's truly one of the few ballparks. I don't know. I can't really name any others right now. Well, Fenway. Fenway, Fenway, Fenway. But you think Fenway and Wrigley, right? That's it. That's it. Yeah. I know there's some modern stadiums that people rave about Baltimore. When you like if we just for an hour just talked about the Cubs? Sure. It'd be great. I learn a lot. I actually don't. I'm not a, I'm not a stats.

I am a sports enthusiast. I get the MLB app and I watch nearly every game. But I'm writing movies and writing projects and I don't want sports to be this burden for me. I don't want to be like, oh, I got to read, you know, all the opinions and all. I get one newsletter. and I try to learn from watching the games, not from reading about it or anything.

I just go, I'm going to experience this directly. I'm going to get to know these players over the course of a season. I'm going to watch this team build. And for me, baseball especially is the antidote to modern social media life and the world that we all inhabit that's just, you know, know, the information overload that we all, you know, wallow in and that poisons us and rots us. And things like your wonderful podcast. How dare you?

I dare, I dare. No, go ahead. No, but seriously, baseball to me is like, that's what we need in our lives. That's what we need, course, and through our veins. USA hockey was pretty unbelievable. Sure, I bet it's great. But it's more about the speed of. of it's great

but but I'm talking about the feeling of baseball and it's just and and the way that those players have to look at it right it's it's not the way we look at our lives they have to go I have all these games I have to

get better over time I have to get my ass handed to I'm you know if I'm batting 360 I'm amazing I'm still until June rose sucking you know six out of ten times Yeah. So, you know, that's how we need to look at life.

It is, it's a long road. And there's going to be some mistakes. Go steady. There's going to be some errors. Yeah. Yeah. See, if you can't build a little bit at a time. Baseball is a great analogy.

Yeah, for a healthier way of looking at life. Yeah. Then in the opposite of what we talk about, think about, you know, everything is about, let's just change it right now. Let's fix the world right now. come on, here come all the problems of the world every morning coming right into your brain. Yeah. How do you fix them by tonight?

Yep. You're not fixing them, you know? And you're thinking about today's game. Yeah. Right now, this game is important. And it's incremental. It's incremental. And you get better over time.

You see this whole Cubs baseball talk. Something came out of it. Yeah. But what I'm saying is hopefully you will all take to heart. And it's really about baseball. But mostly it's about the Cubs. So you got to be a Cubs fan. It doesn't count if you're a Braves fan.

Yeah, it does. Or it certainly doesn't count if you're Dodgers fan. Oh, you hear that? You hear a Dodger fan? Oh, here's more money. I know. See, we can play better. Here, more money.

Get more money. Well, the Mets do the same thing. They get all the money and then they suck. The Mets are formidable. When do you think they're going to be good again? I don't know. But don't you think this year they'll be good? You're supposed to believe your team.

gonna take it all every year every year we got this is our year we can get into this we can get into this you know i went on chat gbt not okay questions but i just wanted to say what if i typed in bob odenkirk what would it say about bob you want to hear what it said um you want to guess you can't guess guy is the worst actor i've ever seen bob is such a layered guy comedy assassin Okay. Dramatic powerhouse, heart surgery survivor. Yeah. Midwest work ethic guy who still seems slightly uncomfortable being called great.

Big time. Did it nail it? Yeah, it did. I want to tell you, this is hard for me to do. Like, I know. This is hard. Because, first of all, I think you and I, we've met, what, like five times outside of your podcast. Yeah. And part of me feels kind of bad. I'm going to be honestly about meeting and good

people that I like, but only when there's a mic in front of me. I told this to Conan when I did his podcast. He's an old friend. You know, I love him. And, but I only see him when I'm doing his podcast. Whose fault is that? Life. Life's fault. I blame life. Yeah. Because we, it's just the world we live in. And, and I, you know, I appreciate that we have an excuse to get together. But, you know, people didn't used to have to do that. Yeah. It wasn't like in the 1800s, I'm doing a podcast. Let's go.

Yeah. No one will hear it because we don't have radio yet. You're right. But it's just like, let's get together and hang out. Let's go. It's hard. I get it. It feels a little.

Pretend time. It's a little gross. What we're doing right now is gross. Yeah, a little gross. You know, I don't think so because I think my podcast is different. Well, I think it's honestly, I like to, I'm like a fan. I'm a regular guy I like to believe. I grew up in a small town in Indiana.

I'm just curious and want to ask questions that I think other people might want to ask. So it's not, I don't feel like I'm like, all right. So let's be professional here, Bob. I know, but I just think that like, I just spent these two days at spring training with Chris, and it was so great to be with somebody and we're not miced, and we're really able to talk about, you know, the shit we're going through or how to look at life. And I know that we do that on these podcasts, some of these things, and yours is one of them, and where people do reveal themselves. And you see how I'm sitting?

Guarded. But, you know, we do. that on these podcasts and it's great you know yeah but you can only go so far you can't be too brutally honest and well it's just a bit it makes me feel bad that usually if i'm having a social interaction it's being miced yeah i mean and that's a you know look i can fix that yeah i can make an effort i mean we said yeah we saw each other at uh you know echoes of hope yeah i went you know i'm a 99 club member. Yeah. For years.

And I love the organization. Rob Danson is one of my best friends. Yeah. We're in a band together. Oh, wow. And yeah. That's great. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

Yeah, we have three albums. Can you believe it? Me and Rob. That's amazing. Rob's an amazingly guitarist. What's the name of the band? Sunspin. All right, everybody.

Get your Sunspin albums. Do it. He loves you. And I saw you. They were honoring you one night. And you got up there and I'll tell you, it was just raw, unadulterated.

to just emotion. It was passionate about. Well, that's why I'm helping with that organization. You know, it's called Food on Food on Foot. And it's an LA organization. Nonprofit. This thing is eating my shirt. It's a nonprofit. It's a nonprofit. And it does a great job of helping people on the streets and help them get off the streets, but also just help them stay alive. Yeah, I don't know what to say to those people, but what motivates me so much is I see so many people unhoused. And you just want to do. What could I do that can help in a meaningful way? And if everybody thought that.

Yeah, it's a con. It's also, and then it all, it's immediately as you talk about it becomes a complicated because you know what food on foot does and you know why they can do what they do, and it's partly because they're not a government organization. And in other words, it's just, it's tough. And it's beautiful because we got to do what we can do. We got to do what we can do. And I just want to say that'll be, this will be my only political statement. I am looking for a politician who wants to talk about how we get to a better place together

as a group. because it just seems like so much is invested right now in keeping us all split and yeah it's a strategy it seems like and and i just want to hear from people who want to speak to everyone uh it doesn't mean you're going to win everyone over but you just you only want to speak to the to everyone yeah yeah no you're right you know you're right it's it's i think that's what i think that's what everybody really wants. Yeah. Deep down, you think. I hope so. It's easy to provoke people with, you know, cynicism and sourness and anger and frustration. It's easy to provoke. That's just, yeah. So that's why people go there. That's why politicians go there and news organizations go there.

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No, I told this story maybe too many times. I'll try to truncate it. But I did just think it. Yes, I did. I did. And what I was riding my bike in Albuquerque. It was the second season of Better Call Saul. and my brother-in-law, Luke Harding, was in China because he had to go to China regularly for his job, and he took a screen grab photograph of an advertisement for Better Call Saul on his TV set in China. And my sister, Sue, sent me that as a text. As a look at this. You know, Luke's in China. And I had been to Europe with the show, and it was a net-firm.

Flicks had brought me over there and I had gone for AMC to promote the show. I'd been there twice. I had known it played well in Italy and everywhere all over. There's other countries than Italy in Europe, right? How many? There's like two others. Anyway, I knew it played all over. Right.

Which was a bit of a mystery to me. I asked an Italian journalist, how do you understand the show? It's about an American lawyer in Albuquerque. How do you get it? How do you understand? He goes, well, we don't have exactly Saul Goodman's. Our legal system is different, but we've seen so much American TV and movies that we get it. We understand American culture.

Yeah. Because that's what we just. Acustomed to. Yeah, been swallowing for our whole lives. So, and then I see that it's in China. So I'm riding my bike. I literally see the screen grab. That's funny.

get on my bike. I would ride for hours just to decompress from that job. And I'm right. I'm like, oh, man, what could I make? Could I make a movie that would play all around the world? Well, action plays around the world because, you know, you can turn the sound off and you're still going to cut a lot of entertainment value out of it. And I thought, well, okay. I mean, I'm in decent shape. I was a comedy writer for most of my life. I didn't use. my body. You are in good shape. I'm in good shape. I didn't mess up my knees or my hips or my anything, you know? And I thought, you know, how do they know me, though, as a character? They know me from Saul. They don't know Mr. Show. Right. Right. They don't know all the comedy I did. Right.

They don't know it at all. They only know me as a striver, earnest. His heart is on the line. he's clever he never quits uh it's kind of an action character except he just doesn't fight that's the only thing he doesn't do everything else is a component part of an action character that's very true and so i stopped riding my bike i call my manager mark provisero i'm sitting outside the dairy queen uh which i hope is still operating in in albuquerque and uh i go hey man i got a crazy idea you know what about we try to get an action story? Because I'll train. I'm willing to train.

And then I told him everything I just told you. Did he laugh or was he? I thought he would laugh and say, get it back on your bike and finish your ride. Go have a dairy queen. Have a blizzard. And he goes, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. I couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe he said that. So then that process started. And you know how long it takes for a project. but we found writers. And by the way, the first two, we found two sets of writers who were, not at the same time, but a set of writers who were like, yeah,

we see that as a possibility. They wrote up an outline. We read it. And it was very hard to do this, but I said, thank you, this is great, but this is not what I'm talking about. I mean, look, I'm not a movie. I'm getting some character parts at this point in movies, but who am I to say no?

and these are certified writers, you know, and they did a good job. But I said, this is the kind of outlined story that I would write. I don't want that. I want the pure genre action on no apologies, no explanations, no kind of sort of action. Like, no, full on, don't apologize, don't explain, just let's write me an action movie. So we went to a second group of writers, great guys, great writers. Same thing. Outline, I'm reading it.

I can't believe they bothered to write an outline for me. That's so nice of them. And I'm like, but this is what I would write. Again, it's this thing of like, you know, it was like, in other words, look, on Mr. Show and with David Cross, we literally would make fun of action movies. We, we, David and I won one year hosted an event at the Olympia Film Festival where All we did was narrate over a Stephen Segal movie and just ridicule it. So that's where I come from.

I mean, that's, you know, it's hard. It's hard to write pure genre that has an innocence to it, a belief, a willingness to believe in sort of big choices. And don't you think it's forget what you know about you? Like, I want you to tell them. That's right. That's right. Forget what you think, right.

You think you know about me. And so this second group of writers, same thing. thing i go no that's not what i'm that's not what i'm talking about and then derrick colstad here's the pitch um and uh he says yeah i see it i see what you're saying i think there is a movie there and i had just a little bit of raw material to work with you know the break in which actually happened to me and my family and i didn't know that yeah yeah yeah yeah i said he this is something that happened to me derrick and i still feel a lot of of rage about this.

If I had a shot at this guy who did this, I would go fucking crazy on him. And if you, I mean, really, you know, it's, it's, and he probably lit up. It's the reason we have a legal system. And we don't have vigilante justice. Right. Because I would want to just. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Violated. Anything. I, I, I, you know, yeah. So I said, you can work with that if you. want. If you want to take that story and turn it into something, I've got that inside me. And so he went and did that. And so, and it was what, what I wanted. It was like, yeah, action. Well, he created John Wick, right? Yeah. He's, he's, I mean, just he's a master. He wrote this movie Normal that I have coming out. He wrote this too. Yeah. He, he and the director of this film Normal, uh,

the director's named Ben Wheatley, those two guys, you know, are peas in a pod. Yeah, I remember after I interviewed you. Oh, yeah. A long ago, you go, oh, I want you to see this. The trailer for nobody. You showed me the first trailer for nobody. And I just thought, this is fucking awesome. And I remember.

Be serious. Did you think it was awesome? Or did you think? Yeah, but what's the name? Honestly, on my mother's life, I love that movie. I had an absolute blast. in that moment in in i thought it was i wasn't expecting it at all like i was like he's an he's he's the he's the mr show guy no i was just like i it's not that i didn't see it sometimes you have to make people see it

you know and you have that in in you and you showed everybody and i remember watching the trailer being so excited at looking at you and i was even more excited how excited you were yeah you were like I did it. I'm doing something that is different that will connect with everybody, not just... Well, I still wasn't fully assured it would work, but here's what I liked about it. I didn't protect myself. Like, I didn't... There's humor in it, for sure. I mean, you laugh at this guy's, the statements,

the audacity of a lot of moments in it. His dad. Ilyne Ishuler's direction, making things big, you know, making action moments. moments big and fun to watch and you can't do anything but laugh. And the same is true of normal in Ben Wheatley's directing. But I just was proud that I didn't, you know, there's ways to, quote, protect yourself with humor with wise cracks or somethings I could have done to sort of say like,

yeah, maybe I don't, I'm not serious about this. so you know don't if it doesn't work remember i winked at you i also didn't think it would work i could have done you know exactly shit like that yeah and i just said no no no let's go you know and i was pretty um crazy to do that because if it didn't work it would definitely be a reference point forever about getting over your skis in hollywood and looking foolish but if you would have winked at the audience it would have ruined it and then that that well then you you're not doing what you wanted that's just weak it's weak it's just fucking weak it's weak just do it yeah do it you know and i always say i'm pretty um uh i tell myself a lot of things that may or may not be true like

who gives you shit about your career so what if it takes your career you should you don't deserve this career anyway so yeah that's how i feel you know i mean you have to have a little of that in you, right? Otherwise, all you do is safe stuff forever. And I just think you're going to lose doing that too. Yeah. No, you're definitely going to lose because you're not going to be as fulfilled. Yeah. You're just not. And at some point it's going to get, you know, tropey and obvious. Yeah. And if you keep doing safe stuff, that's what you're going to continue doing. Yeah, and everyone's going to just think of you that way. Boring. Do you care about what people think? I wish I didn't, but of course I do. You do.

Yes, of course I do. Yeah, I think everybody does. But I think the crew for you is almost more important than anybody. Sure. The crew is super important. Me too. I'm always like friends and I know everybody's names and it's just like the family. Yeah.

And I know that's how you operate. I'm like, I do that. I love that he does that. You care more about their opinion. I want to include as many people in the group as possible, but you got to, you can't just be chasing the biggest group. You got to do cool shit. you know who I'm I seem to pursue is the guys like Ben Wheatley and Derrick Holstad and the stunt guys because I'm very aware that I'm kind of stepping into their realm so since I was 11 years old

all I cared about was Monty Python and sketch comedy they feel that way about action movies right so I can talk to you about dud you know Peter Cook and Dudley more you know Derek and Clive and Bob and Ray and the Goon Show and Monty Python and the Ruttles and the goodies and the Framley Examiner in England or the Royal Family, my favorite sitcom ever from England. At that, I can talk to you about the way they talk about action movies. I'm very aware of that because I've been around them so much. Yeah. That I don't have all those reference points that they've devoted their lives and their brains

and their imaginations to that. They interest you. And, well, I want them to be happy with it. I want them to go, this is good. You're doing good. And I want to prove it to them that I don't, I'm not a dilettante and I don't just take advantage of their appreciation of this form. And of course, the action stunt guys are the same way.

You know, these stunt guys and the guy who trained me, Daniel Bernhardt, who still trains me. I have a training session today. at two at the stunt gym and I have no movies lined up but I just want to I like the stunt workout because it's interesting

it's not boring and it kind of stresses your body in good ways that a regular workout when people do regular stuff it's like it's not good for you but they're still conscious of like your core and using your core it's very your core very stretchy

that's what I would have to do yeah and and also it engages your brain especially when you're doing choreography. That's huge. Which is so much better than just a boring workout. Please, I know. Repeating the same motion. I tried circuit training for a while and I love that. Something, yeah. Yeah, just pulling the ropes and then doing all right. Yeah, move to the next thing. If you're bored with your workout, go to YouTube. There's a million workouts. Do something else. Yeah, I know. Don't do the same thing over and over. Unless you're doing nothing, then just go work out. Well, then do anything. Do anything. Walk.

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Patreon.com slash inside of you. Five bucks a month. Come on. Check it out. This movie honestly looks bonkers. It is. Oh, it is bonkers. I'm telling you, I immediately got out.

Somehow the yakuza is involved. Well, I know it's... I love it. I love it. I really was like, I got it right away. Oh, yeah? Like, I got it right away. And I was like, I'm into this world.

And I'm not just saying that to just be, you know... Well, I'm glad you feel that way. I think they did a great job of cutting a teaser and a trailer and making a poster. And the reason I say that is because... A big deal for me is that you set people up for the movie we made and you don't like mislead. I know. It happens every fucking time I watch a movie. I'm like, oh my God, there's no action.

Yeah. No, it was very important to me that you take us down the road of what this movie is. So when people go, they go, yeah, this is what they told me it would be. Yeah. And without giving away too many specifics because you say you got it, but. I know there's twists. I mean, you can't. maybe you can guess at what's going on.

No, I couldn't. I mean, I could speculate. I don't think you can. And that was a great job. Yeah, like, I don't know where Henry Winkler's going. I don't know exactly what that's about. I get a sense. He's not the sweet Henry Winkler that we all know.

Yes. You get a sense of it. I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying when he says community in the trailer. Community. You go like, ooh, that sounds like, of threat. It didn't look like what I know Henry from. It really was. I love that he was willing to play the character he played. I love that you took a chance on him doing that. Oh yeah. Well, he can do

anything. He can do anything. He can do anything. He's a great actor. He really is. He really is. He sort of doesn't always get asked to act. Yeah. Because he's such a great guy and in the world of famous people. I put him up with Paul McCartney having hung out with him. People come out of the world. Yeah. Every age, anywhere you are. And he's so nice with everyone. Massively. Bob, everything's great. Well, loved. He's on a level that is like McCartney level. I loved it. I did a pilot with him and it didn't get picked up and I was so bummed because I wanted to work with Henry. And we became close. And I had to ask him about working with you. Oh, good. Was he kind or was he like the usual Henry? Fuck that guy. That motherfucker's.

I am, all my lines. He's counting his lines. I am writing to you about Bob Odenkirk. He is an amazing spirit. He is a wonderful boss. He is very, very good at storytelling. He is really good at details, not only for his own character,

but also for the characters in the scenes that are playing with him. He's also a wonderful acting partner, very generous, very present. He's very appreciative. of everyone on the set, he's aware of everything. And my wife saw him on Broadway and he was superb. That's from Henry. Because I knew it.

I said, oh my God, Henry's in this. I got to text Henry. So, you know, Henry doesn't, he's such a good guy. And he's surround, you know, into certain scenes in this movie, he's surrounded by other actors. There's sort of some big group scenes that he's in. And he's in scenes where it's just me and him. But I can feel his desire to be friendly and kind to everyone around him.

And it doesn't necessarily, you know. It's exhausting. I just want to say, Henry, just you, it's you. This is about you. You don't have to say hello to everybody. You don't have to. It's about your character. It's about you.

This is your, you got this. Just don't, everybody loves you. You don't have to worry about how they're, he wants everyone to be doing good and happy. I love that. He's a good man. Yeah. Good man. Some people show you how it's done.

You know what I mean? They show you how it's done. And you got to believe that there are times when it's too much for him. But he just does, you know, this is how I should be. This is the right way to handle this. There's the right way to feel about this, which is appreciative. You know, look, we go into this business and some people really just want to be famous and be well liked. and that's all they want, you know?

And then a lot of people go, gee, that would be neat if that happened. And then some people are like, I don't even, I'm thinking about that at all. I just want to be the best actor in the group, which is a little hard to believe, right? Yeah, I was going to say, well, if you are, you're going to be known. Be famous, yes. You know, but I'll grant that there's probably people who do feel that way, who like literally are just trying to be great at their job because they think it's, the coolest job in the world. And then they're surprised to find that they have to deal with being

loved and known. And yeah, it's a little like, really? You're surprised? Come on. But come on. I think it's possible because because all these jobs, you get wrapped up in them, right? Whether it's writing or acting or you play the banjo all the time. When you're not on Mike, you're on the banjo. Yeah, me and Steve Martin. And you're throwing the clay. I know about the pot. Of course. Thanks for remembering.

You and Seth Rogan are throwing the... No clay. Anyway, you get wrapped up in the thing you're doing. Yeah. And then there's this other side to it that I'll grant you... I think the public should agree that it is true sometimes that some actors probably didn't factor in that they would have to be somewhat. famous at something one percent give them a break one percent but anyway you are studying to be an actor

it is another job is being is remembering that you're uh known and that you should be appreciative of that yeah and and and be kind to people uh and not just think like everyone's bothering you yeah and we all get all get in our moods. And I'm, like, Henry, I've never, yeah, I've seen him exhausted. Like, you know, we did the show and I think we shot 24 hours, the pilot. Like, I'm kidding, not kidding. We shot to the next morning because they had to get it. There's all these reasons. They fired the showrunner. They got a new showrunner. And I remember, they fired the showrunner. They fired the showrunner a week before. And then I won't say who came in because they made it worse. Oh, boy. We're all on edge. We're like, you know, and Henry's just, it's fine.

Let it, you know, it's going to be fine, Michael. Everything's. And then it was like four in the morning. And Henry's just sitting at his chair roll at the dinner table. Somebody goes, Henry, if you could deliver that line a little faster to John, that would be great. Absolutely. It was, it wasn't anger. It was like, absolutely.

Wow. It was like, I don't know how he did it. Like, it was like nice, but I'm tired, but I will absolutely do. that for you. Yeah. Like, I would have been like, yeah, but I think we fucking got it. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you've got to be like, um, I got to be like Henry Winkler. You got to be like Henry Winkler. He's what we're saying. Oh, I love him. Uh, you know, I also, I don't know if this is wrong, but it's right to me when I was watching the trailer for this. You kind of reminded me of like a Clint Eastwood character in the Old West.

All these guys, listen, I'm. Is that wrong? No, no, uh, not to me. I love. Derek Colstad and Ben Wheatley reference, is it, they've referenced high noon. They've referenced Unforgiven. Bad day at Hanging Rock or Bad Day at Hanging Rock. What is that? Bad day at hanging rock. Maybe that. And, okay, high noon. And I reference High Plains Drifter. Oh, come on. That's so funny.

Yeah, he goes into the town. He has to get the town to work with. exactly and they're assholes and he's kind of a loner they have to get him to join them and then he goes okay assholes here's what i need you to do and uh yeah and i loved high plains drift i love that i was like if i'm wrong about this no no i think and ben constantly referenced it as a western yeah he perceives normal as being an old school western and but it also feels grounded like you're very grounded you're like all this craziness is happening around yeah yeah yeah Which is really interesting. Well, Clint plays the silent, you know, he's like a demon from hell that

showed up on earth. And I just play a guy who's just lost in his own, you know, on Wii. But it's really a fun film and it has definitely, it has those overtones. But I always reference those Clint Eastwood films. I feel really good about myself. Yeah. I really do. And by the way,

High Plains Drifter, I think is, I think it's on Netflix right now. It's leaving soon. Really? It's been a while since I've watched that. Well, you saw when you walked in the living room

the good, the bad, and the ugly. I did. I mean, my first movie was a Clint Eastwood, so it was kind of an homage. Wow.

What was that? It was called Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I played a kid that was cross-examined by the lawyers. Wow.

It was like a seven-page scene, and it was the, I loved it. And was it true? Did you go home at five? Oh, the Clint East? No, he,

I'm not kidding. He can't, there was a scene where, and I'm just, I got my headphones on and I'm trying to get into the moment. I'm young actor. I'm just like, you know,

thinking I'm playing some, I'm thinking, oh, yeah, grandma's death. I'm like, oh, yeah, trying to be meth

and whatever the fun. Yeah. And he comes over to me and, you know, supposed to be a little emotional and he kind of sits behind me, he goes, pretends he's cry,

I go, what are you doing? He's like, I'm just trying to loosen you up a little bit. And he goes, you take your time and when you're ready, we'll go. And so I'm sitting there for a minute. He goes over and he looks at me and I go, he goes, Jack, the DP, little finger like, let's roll.

He didn't even say roll action. Jack. And all of a sudden, the camera starts moving in. And you just do it? And I just do it. And then he goes, well, how did you feel? I felt, I felt great. How did you feel he goes?

I felt great. Want to move on? And I go, if you do, I was just like, holy shit. That's the right answer, by the way. Yeah. When I did the post with Steven Spielberg, I had a simple, simple moment. There wasn't much to it. And, you know, he did, but it had kind of a big camera move, right?

So it was kind of a little bit of choreography. There was no lines. and it was just a minor, small reaction that I had to do. And the camera's coming in and I do my version of it. He cut, we're going to do that again. He says, just give me a smile. Just give me a smile. And I'm like, oh, boy, I don't have much of a smile.

I just don't. God didn't give me that. But I'll give you what I got. And then I overdo it. I kind of make a big smile. He's like, cut, okay, not that. And I go, yeah, you're right. I'm so sorry.

But I'm also like, I'm fucked. I can't smile. I don't my mouth doesn't go up like that anyway um oh my god the third take he goes great got it and i go ah and he goes you want another one i go yeah is it okay can i get another one it's a small moment but it's important there's still a beginning middle and end to it and there's a feeling of like hey you just feel it right so we do a fourth take Cut. Okay. How do you feel, Bob? And I go, shit, man. I'm sorry. Can I go go again? And he goes, hold on. Wait a second. Come on over here. I go over by and video village. And he goes, play back the third take, the one I liked. And so they play back the take that he liked, the one where I was like, no, not good enough. And they play it back. And Stephen goes, okay, watch this. I'm going to use this from here to there. That's what I'm going to use.

And I go, oh, that's great then. But he knew exactly what cut. It's already edited. What cut of that. And it didn't include the beginning. And it didn't include the end. And it was just the middle. And it was fine.

Totally fine. It told the story. And yeah. Now, part of that was my quote unquote training because I never had much training. And my training was at Better Call Saul. And I'm breaking bad and better. Carlisle, the underlying vibe feeling that we all operated under was every take, every angle, you want to get the whole scene great. So you don't leave a single setup until you acted

and everybody acted and the camera moved and the lights were right. Every angle beginning to end, you could commit to that take. That's a lot. And that's one reason. We had 14, 16 hour days. Whereas Stephen is like, no, it doesn't matter what the beginning was like. I'm not using the beginning. I'm using this angle is for this moment to that moment and that's it. And so I just wasn't used to how he did it. So I couldn't trust, you know, that it was good enough or would work.

It's Spielberg. Yeah, I know. Shut your fucking mouth. Cheapuckabung Manolia Pictures releases normal in theaters nationwide on April 17th, 2026. Releasing the film on more than 2,000 screens giving it the widest theatrical release they've ever done. Don't scare me like that.

Is that right? It's true. Look, it's like it's a company's history. It's a crowd pleaser. It's a riproarer thanks to Derek Colstead and Ben Wheatley. And you. I'm in it. And the crew.

I'm in it. You know, I have to mention it because it's like after your heart... But Michael, you were the one I showed that trailer to. Yeah. I had nobody had seen that except my wife. Is that true? Yeah. Why would...

Where would I have shown it? I didn't... I only had it on my computer for with the password. Oh, and then I think I FaceTime you and I brought 25 because it was COVID. I rented the theater up at Universal and you FaceTime me and my buddies. And they loved it. And we cheered you on. You know, I have to mention the heart attack because it's like people have heart attacks and then they're like, I'm not going to do another action movie and then another action.

I know, but it keeps you in shape. It's good. It's good for your heart. Because by the way, I'm going in for my five year checkup, a half a year early at the request of my heart doctor next week. Not that there's any issues. It's just, it's been a little while since I've seen him. So we're going to do the five years. check up now. Do you feel exponentially better than you used to? I mean, before you had the heart attack, do you feel like something's changed? You know, that's a good question because you would think that I would have felt, you know, less energy. Yeah. But if it was true, and it might have been true, it was, it was such a slow process of that plaque building up that I didn't notice it. And then I, and then it was such a sort of soft journey of recuperation that I didn't notice this moment of like, oh, no, I don't have plaque in my artery.

I can run around. Right. Oh, wow, that's clear up. I'm good to go. It didn't have that feeling, no. But I'll tell you what, it's the exercise that I do, I wish Daniel Bernhardt, who trains me would, it's not worth his time,

but I kind of wish he would make an exercise video. because one of the things that he showed me was keeping it interesting and doing a variety. He's constantly changing his workout. It's just changing up constantly. Never sits in one place for more than two weeks. Wow. And that's just a great thing and makes it much more, makes it much more easier to go to the gym. But more fun.

Because I'm going to do something today that I didn't do. last time. And so you, this guy charges, right? No, I, we, we've worked together on three films and we will hopefully do lots more together. No, he, he's going to do a workout anyways. Right. He's going to do two today. So, like, join me. So yeah. Wow. I wish I had somebody who worked out tells me to join them. Yeah. Not Ryan. Tell you that much. When you were, do you, was it on set, when it happened? It was a heart attack? I mean, yeah, it was on set.

It was in the studio. I was off with Ray and Patrick in the area where we were seated, which was during COVID, you know, protocols. So we were far away from the set, which made it a little more dangerous because all the people who would hear someone screaming were across us, you know, the floor of a giant studio. And they thought, initially they thought Ray and Patrick were laughing. They heard this and they were like, well, they're laughing at something very laughing. Were you in the middle of a conversation?

Oh, no. I was going to watch the baseball game. I was going to watch the Cubs. And I was walking. I had an exercise bike and I was walking to it and I just put the Cubs game on, MLB app. And I said, I turned to Ray and I went, I don't feel so good. And I went down on a knee and then I went down. And then I turned gray.

worse things happen. Were you in pain? No, nothing. I don't remember anything. I don't remember that. She told me about that. And I don't remember anything until I was leaving the hospital a week later. And then I was talking to the doctor.

Now, I did wake up the next day, and I did talk to my family every day. And they came down. They flew my kids and my wife down right away. And they were there the next day. And I had the surgery at 5 a.m. in the morning, the next morning. And so I did talk to people, but I didn't have any memory. And my daughter made this dry erase board that said what happened to me so that I would wake up and see this dry erase board that's a heart, you know, attack. And then to the hospital and who's visited me and who's in town and what day it is.

Because I never had a memory of that whole week. Every day was like, what? Where are we? Why are you guys at the hospital? And there's a funny bit of video that's in this documentary that we're going to play at Tribeca. David Cross and I climbed Machu Picchu and we documented it. And it really is just a hangout session with two old friends, but also we climb Machu Picchu. So that's kind of cool.

And so part of it is some footage that Naomi made on her phone of me in the hospital. And she's with the kids and they're asking me why. I'm here and I'm in a hospital bed with hospital. You know, I've had this surgery and all. And I'm like, because I heard you guys are here. It's really funny. It's really, it's crazy what your brain does. How did you get here?

I drove here. You know, like, your brain makes up a story about what is going on that suits you. Wow. It's almost like protective mode. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm fine. This is. But also that story happened every day for a week.

Oh, my God. Day four was like, you know why you're here? Because I heard you were here. How have you changed? Because that's got to change you in some way. So everybody thinks, you know, I didn't have a white light moment. I didn't get to see a replay of my life. I got ripped off.

And I talk to people who've had that, by the way. Those experiences are incredible. Yeah. But you didn't get one. I, there's a, I, I guess I probably shouldn't say his name because it's personal, but he, there's an executive who I know who had that full on experience of, uh, dying and, and seeing his life and seeing himself and where he was and talking to somebody and being asked you you know do you want to go back or do you want to stay here and uh it's a great story many people like are like an overhead angle yes he had that yeah looking at themselves in the hospital

yeah he had that he had all that it was incredible it's a great story man i didn't get all that i didn't get none of it so here's what i got out of it it sort of resonates through my life you know yeah i was telling this story to Chris Wittaski when we were on our trip and telling it is really the best thing for like getting something out of it remembering how it felt to come out of that moment to realize the life that I have the wonderful things that I have in my world and and how wonderful the world can be really kind of is. And I can. And I can. reconnect with that just by telling that story. And so that's a great thing.

And maybe it helped maybe with the whole awareness of limited time. It's hard to counteract the brain and the feelings of like, I'm going to live forever. What movies do I want to make in 30 years? Like, hey, man, you are not making any movies in 30 years. You're not making them in 10 years. You're going to be cooked and done. And so what do you want to do and how much time do you have left and how are you going to use it well? So come on now.

Look in the mirror. You know, it's hard, right? It's hard to go, I'm 63. You know, my dad lived to 56. You know, I mean, what are you doing with your time? How are you going to use it? How are you going to do the most? with it. And I don't mean the most work. Because, you know, work is great, but, and work is really

great if you get to do what we do. But also, you got to try to get some dimension in yourself and in your life, you know, and what we're talking about. Talk to your friends. Yeah. And there's no mic there. I think that's a perfect way to end this interview. Okay. That was, that was awesome. Oh, thanks, buddy. Oh, man, Bob. Bob, you're a jam. You're a jam. Yeah, thanks for being a friend. And, you know, Bob talked about in the pocket. She's like, you know, I do these podcasts. And it's the only time I get with, like, you know, my friends and this is, I was like, well, let's get coffee.

He's like, can we do that? Can we just not talk when we do the podcast? And I said, yeah, man, I'd love to do that. So. Go have a silent coffee with Bob Wooden Kirk. A silent coffee. Just sit there and stare. Have a sip and stare.

Yeah. But he's awesome. You know what it is? There's some guests that come on that are so easy to talk. to and it feels like I'm not even interviewing someone. That's when it's really good when I forget that I'm interviewing them and I'm just having a conversation. I go, oh my God, wait, I have to ask you something.

And yeah, hopefully you guys are taking care of yourself, getting therapy, doing all that stuff, working on you because without you, there's no me. Well, you know, I was thinking of the analogy like they always use like help yourself before you help someone else, you know, like when you're in a plane and the oxygen tank, oxygen mass come down, put one on yourself before you help someone. It's so, it's so basic, but it's so true. Yeah. It's so important. It's like, hey, I'm drowning and you're drowning, but let me figure out how not to drown before I help you. So we both drown. Don't both drown. If I can see you're drowning, I don't really want your help. Yeah. Don't help me.

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