Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - BOBBY LEE: No More Lies, Boundary Setting & Strength in Sobriety

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Bobby Lee (MADtv, Bad Friends) joins us again this week for an open and honest conversation about maturing with success and learning the importance of setting boundaries to help improve your self confidence and sanity. After we talk about Coldplay we get into Bobby’s uncomfortability in social situations and the humor and fibs that have been his crutch. We also talk about his bond through Bad Friends, how Hollywood is being impacted by AI, and why he wouldn’t be here without the sobriety the found at a young age. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 👕 Quince: https://quince.com/insideofyou 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚗 NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/ ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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having a great week. Ryan, good to see you. Good as you, too. Yes. There was a spider on this microphone 10 minutes ago. Are you serious? Yeah. Well, let's not tell the guests. I'm just letting you know that my life was in danger recently, and I'm coming down from that.

Most spiders aren't poisonous, right? I know this. But we'll clean the mic off nonetheless. I'm actually okay. And I'll get the exterminator. That's fine. I don't mind. I don't either.

They do so. I never would kill a spider, ever. I really try not to. I don't do it unless it's like a black widow. Amanda makes me try to kill spiders all the time. No, it's bad luck. I just want, I want, and I try to put them in a cup as often as I can. Scott's creatures.

I know. Thanks for making this podcast yours. I know there's a lot of them, and we've been doing this for a while, and we were here before the big boom, the big podcast boom that happened during COVID, and every actor and their mother got a podcast. But, you know, we talk about mental health and life here and so many other fun things. So I hope you enjoy the guests. I hope you subscribe and just listen to the show.

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And I love him. I don't get to see him very often. And it was a real treat. He's, he just, he's Bobby. You know, he makes me laugh and he's out of control. And, but, uh, he seems you know he seems happy i can't tell with bobby i can't fucking tell with you bobby if you're happy or not all i could do is talk to you as a friend and but it was a joy having you on

i appreciate i know you're a busy guy with your bad friends speaking of bad friends now he's a good friend i really love bobby i think he's uh he's one of the funniest people i've ever met and he's got a huge heart uh we get into it so you want to listen to it so let's just do this let's get inside of Bobby Lee. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. What is he doing here?

Are you a psychic? Yeah, he. Ryan, what am I thinking right now? What am I thinking right now? uh what there you go um what do you shave your head bald like you did at smallville why would i do that it looks better look at that

you can't if you look like that yeah but i was younger i know but you just look okay no i would if i shave my head now what would that be saying to people what would that be on let's luthor no i was you're going to close that door or no no why what that door yeah well because some air gets in there. I close the other door so the dogs can't get in. Okay. But you're looking around. Inside of you. That's what this is called.

You've been here a few times. I just don't, I just don't, I just don't, do you remember when you gave me my Korean name? No. What's your Korean name? Songu. I asked you what mine was and you said, yeah, yes. Do you remember that? Is that really my name? Yeah, in Korean, yeah, it is. Um, or Pangu. You know what fangu means? What? Fart. Pangu. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I'm going to start using boji. You know what bojee means? With bogey. Puss-puzz.

Really? Yeah, yeah. You use that a lot? Yeah, your mom has a very big bogey. Do you have a... Do you have... Look, you're not in a relationship anymore. Are you seeing someone? Yeah. Are you serious? I don't know. What do you not know?

What do you mean? Is it because you have choices? I have to know to know. You have to fill it in my bones. What's the... Do you ever really know? Yeah, I do know. Why is there a belief blower? It's just part of the show.

It adds ambiance. Let's go back to the girls. How long did you... What? How long did you date? What are you drilling me for about women? Well, I just, I'm curious. This is loud.

We're going to wait a minute. Yeah, let's wait. I want to say things, but I just want to wait to a recording. Is that what? I'm looking at your tattoos. Is the Mad TV new? Yeah. Why did you get that?

It was a big part of my life. eight years you don't have a smallville one but that's not mad tv that's just alfred e newman from mad magazine but the show is based on mad magazine i didn't know that oh yeah it is yeah that they have to pay mad magazine i don't know the fucking contract well you worked on the show because it's a big part of your life anyway um i'm excited i have a comic store one too oh that's cool yeah yeah the other one's cool too i like that okay cool i wouldn't look good with those kind of tattoos you don't have any tattoos i have like four i have my sister who died you have the little ones and i have your sister died my grandmother who died yeah when my sister died

like four years ago how uh do we talk about that she was born with um a chromosonal defect and um so she was never normal she lived in uh hospitals and stuff so it was rough it was the first time i ever heard my dad cry and the cry was guttural it wasn't just like can you two for me no no no it it broke my heart oh so that wasn't even funny no no it was i don't know why i just laughed it was funny it was funny It was insane. No. It was insane. But I just need a, ooh, like that?

It was like a howling dog. This is so dark. It's not good. It was just like raw and real and emotional. It was when your dad passed away. I have a photo of it. No, I saw that photo. Okay, okay.

Do you look at the photo? Wait, you just have the photo. I took the photo of the moment my dad died and my mom's reaction. It's horrifying. What did she say to you? what do you mean you took a picture of your dad who just passed she didn't she didn't notice me taking a photo but you shared it with her later she's seen it yeah what did she say why would you show it to her she asked probably i want to see a photo of what that when i died my reaction

really yeah i bet you were i remember you were like just beside like you relapsed yeah after that yeah and are you go back to the women Are you okay now? Are you okay now, though? Are you drinking now? Well, when I... No, I'm sober three and a half years, but I just came back from a meeting,

but you know that song Coldplay, that cold play, the band Coldplay? Yellow. Fuck you, you racist. No, no, the song, yellow. You racist piece of shit. Yellow. There's other songs.

There's other song. Yes, it is. No, what? That's the song. There's other song. Scientist. You should have said scientists? Now you're saying because you're Asian,

you're scientist. Why does it have to go direct? race. You went to race. There's so many songs in Coldplay's catalog. I just thought that's the only one I know. You locked eyes with her, you go yellow. I'm not racist. Yeah, you are, dude. Clip that. No, I'm not. Yeah, that was insane. I'm keeping that. So there's a song called Daddy in like one of Coldplay, 2001. Yeah, I know it. No, you don't. Yes, I do. Yeah. Because you played it to me before. It makes me cry every time when I think about my dad. But do you listen to Are you okay? Go ahead.

Do you still have trouble accepting the loss? Or have you sort of like accepted it? You don't really. Do you still grieve? Yeah. So I was in Hawaii and I wanted to, this girl that I'm dating, I wanted to go, well, because she was, there was this one song that came on, right? Yellow? No.

Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. If you say yellow again, dude. I'm walking out. Now I'm not going to walk out. It's just going to make me very, very uncomfortable.

Okay. Okay. All right. What are we saying? Oh, yeah, so we're in the car. You know that song? I think it's Over the Rainbow, but it's Hawaiian style. No.

Is that over it? Yeah, it's over the rainbow, but Hawaiian style. Somewhere over that, but Hawaiian style. Yeah, yes. I think it's that. Okay. And that song came out and she goes, this is the song they played on my mother's funeral, so I can't listen.

I go, what, then you want to listen to this song? So I played her daddy, and we both cried in the car. Do you cry a lot? only when I listen to Daddy or when I watch like Game of Thrones maybe you cry at Game of Thrones Blood yeah for the blood wedding yeah and or um hard home what's hard home it's one of the episodes I didn't remember that yeah or battle of the bastards I get really emotional so besides family game of Thrones is all you cry at I cry at my career your career has blossomed you have gone from the sublime to the ridiculously famous I think I'm

known but that's fine known let's talk about women no no we'll go back to women yeah yeah but listen do you ever take a step back and go i was sleeping on polly shores couch we all have these stories mike before smallville when you were struggling as a young actor i mean did you sleep on somebody's couch no no so you made it right away no no i didn't i didn't that's what i'm saying listen what i'm saying is now that you're like you are you now have a achieved a certain stature in your life you're you're you're more famous than you ever were am i doing better than i did what i mean that's was i doing better than between podcasting and mad tv yes are you honestly are you do you feel like are you doing better i've been doing about

the same for a while yeah me too which is which is you know i'm content i'm you know i don't i'm not one and look, this is always how I've been, but I'm not one who has to go. I try not to compare myself to other people. I try not to say, oh, I got to be, I got to, I got to be this. I got to prove to the community. You were in a Marvel movie. I've never been in a Marvel movie. Yeah, I was barely in it.

It doesn't matter. You were in it pretty much. You could be an extra. I mean, I saw the movie in and see you in it. Exactly. Yeah. You blank. What were you in it?

Some invisible person? I played Martin X. I played Martin X. Very good. He was a rabbiard. That's my favorite Marvel character. Thank you. Martin X.

Do you want to do big movies and things? Yeah, you can't get into them. What do you mean? How do you get in them? Your agents get you auditions. Nothing's happening. They don't. That's ridiculous.

What do you mean? I don't understand why, as well as you're doing, that your agents aren't fighting more for you to be in things. It's not happening. You're talented, you're funny. Yeah, it's not happening. Do you ever have these conversations with them? Yeah. Have you had conversations?

Yes. Yeah. We have these yearly meetings. where everyone shows up at a boardroom everyone has notepads like this guy kissing your ass yeah and they're like well what do you want to do this year um more than I did last year

I'll tell you that right now anything anything I mean I just did a movie called karate ghost he laughed first I know I know what's it about I don't even know but that's my point it's like do you read scripts yeah I read them

you read them to see if you want to do it listen those days i did i you know i used to track movies like when like um crazy rich Asians were being developed i was calling my agents like and then they're like they don't want to see you you know what does that hurt yeah but so i tried all that and then it doesn't work so then you're like so i just stopped trying really who would you want to work with if you could work with someone that you think about like i'd love to work with that person well anyone that's good to do. Yeah. I would do one line in a Tarrantino movie or any of those gigantic directors. Would you do a series that filmed in Canada? Yeah. You would just take on a series.

What would you do with bad friends in Tiger Belly? It would work it out. I mean, Andrew's out of town all the time and we work it out. Do you film at Andrew's house? No, we film at a studio. What are these questions about bad friends for sure? Well, I was just, I was just, wondering. Yeah, yeah. But you can work that out if you had to. That's what I just said. Yes, yes. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. You're still the same. I haven't seen you. In so long.

In so long. And that's primarily your fault. That's not really true. 100%. Let's see each other. Nothing. Hey, I hope you're well. You too.

Have you had a party since I last saw you here? Do I have to have parties for us to do something? I like a social engagement. So you want to be around other people, not just me. Well, we don't. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Why is that?

So I can go to one camp and the other camp. Do I make you uncomfortable? No, shut the fuck out. What are you talking about? We're friends. Bad friends. Like when I see. Like when I see you, when you open the door, you know, it's like yesterday.

Yeah, like, it is. It is. No. And I understand that. I do. I'm giving you shit. Yeah, yeah. I love you.

I love seeing your success. I love being, I love being with you. That's all I want to be with you. It's so bad about that. That's not good. I'm going to start calling you up and saying good night. No, don't. Because I never text you back.

That's true. Yeah. But you probably text certain people back pretty quickly. If I'm in business with somebody and I need. like if it's like a financial thing right right right text him back who do let me ask you this who do you hang with who are your friends that you at let's go to a korean my best friend jean hong you know jean no he's like a writer producer type of a guy he's korean and he's probably is he funny yeah he's very funny yeah but in his own way i mean he's not a comic but he's like

and then i hang out with a guy named dumbfounded you know him dumbfounded is his name yeah no yeah he's hip-hop actor What do you guys do? Like last night we went to Gobbin, which is a new Korean spot. I'm going to check it out.

What's the one place you took me to? Sukbuljib. Do you still go there? No. Why not? It's too smoky. Really?

Yeah. They use coal or whatever. So you go, what's the new spot? There's a bunch of new spots. We go to... I only go on with you. Dato.

Cabin's a new one. I go to Chosan a lot. Parks. Both these people Asian that you hang out with? I hanged with only Asians. Is that true? Yeah. That's not true.

Pretty much true. Why? Because they're my people? What are you talking about? You used to, excuse me? Used to hang out with other people. I grew up with whites. And you learned your lesson.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was very traumatic. No, I love the whites. Probably one of my favorite groups of people, really. I can't say, I love the Asians. Yeah, you can. Okay. I do.

Yeah, yeah. I love all people. Can I say that? Yes, yes, yes. But I grew up with a lot of whites and I've done that over it. You've been there. I love them and I do business with them, but they call me yellow. No.

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Do you still love doing stand-up or you kind of would like to fade out of that? No, I'm doing a special for Hulu. You didn't tell me this. I'm telling you now. When does it come out? I haven't shot it. I shoot it in January.

Can I come to the taping? It's in San Diego if you want to drive down there, yeah. Big theater? Bald War Theater, yeah. Is anyone opening for you? I have some warmups. Yeah, why? Do you pay your warm-up guys?

Well, when I go on the road, I pay for my openers if that's what you want to know. Right. Do openers get paid well? Three, 400 bucks a show, maybe. Okay. Which is the going rate. Right. And you do an hour for your special.

45 minutes. it's written ready to go not ready to go no or written do you get help with it or do you write it all yourself will you let me answer one question all right well go ahead right so what's the first one the first one is uh you have 45 minutes do you write it yourself yeah i write it and then i i bounce um the material material off of some trusted comics who are those comics one guy his name is ramsi badawi he's Palestinian I didn't want to bring him up you did it's totally fine I'm sure he's very I know he's very talented but um annoying but yeah I'm doing that and then me and Andrew have a Hulu animation show I know I audition for it I know thank

you came close no I didn't you did did I really but here's another thing about that is I was supposed to tell you but I'm not Asian no what there's only one Asian oh there's only one Asian Oh, there's actually five Asians, but, you know, when you do an animated pilot, it's five minutes long. Oh. So we, you know, we animated a five-minute scene. That's what we were casting. Yeah. But there's so many more characters, so we'll reach out to you when the thing gets picked up.

Look, I'm just, I'm happy for you. Thanks for reading. It's awesome. Thanks for reading. My pleasure. Did you know I was going to read? Yeah. You actually said, hey, have him married.

I heard it. You did. Yeah. And it wasn't bad. It was great. Oh, good. Yeah. That's great.

So it's you, Andrew. Well, you think I'm like, you think that I think you're lying? I'm not lying. No, I know. What? You looked at me like you thought I was lying. I didn't hear it. Okay.

But I heard. I knew you didn't. I heard it was good though. Who told you it was good? Hulu and Fox. And then they said, but we should go a different direction. Just like that. Well, then we, no, because we had Eric on.

What part did you read? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember. This is great. See that you're getting into the... We have Eric Andres on it. Juliette Lewis.

Brilliant. And some other people. So you got great people. We got famous people. You're famous. I'm famous. You're so... Dude.

No, no. But when we did kicking an old school, I was like, Michael Rosenbaum's in this. That's how I met you. I know. Yeah, yeah. We became buddies after that. But I was... I couldn't believe there was somebody that made me laugh like you.

I don't laugh a lot. I really don't. Like, genuinely laugh. But you make me laugh. You make me laugh. I think it's your life. laugh that makes me when you really have a good laugh it's my it's not my instincts my comedy instincts don't know my laugh no that's true but you know what it is you're like you want to make people laugh

you want to you want i really don't you want everybody to have fun i don't you don't think that's true about you i think it's just a um diff facade no it's such that it's just socially i just don't know how to act so it just comes out in weird ways but so you're uncomfortable a little bit i think it's uncomfortable i'm uncomfortable yeah i could see that in you but can't you see a lot of lex luther stuff in here can't you see that about me yeah But it's like I don't have any of my face. Well, you weren't in anything that people remember. Okay, that's rude.

But anyway, we're friends. Yeah, yeah. No, but seriously. It's one of my favorite albums. Hey, we have our third album coming out. Yeah. You've never loved you guys. You didn't listen to my audition?

You didn't listen to my music? You don't think I'd listen to Sunspin? He looked to see if the name was right. He looked to see. No, you don't have it. It's not your kind of. What do you listen to, by the way? Lately.

I've been trying to get into turnstile because that's, the new band that everyone loves i don't know that yeah but um i'm trying to get you know but if something new comes around i try to listen to it but very picky like shoegaze a little bit i like uh dream pop go back to the other thing what the women go back to like you're uncomfortable around people because don't you know that that's i feel the same way don't you think that that's i've always felt like i didn't belong so what i do is i try to compensate with you know making people happy making people laugh then once they're in then i'm like okay, I fit in. Do you feel like that about you? Yeah. Yeah, I don't feel like I belong. Do you feel

like you belong now? Um, no in a lot of ways. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm trying to set boundaries with people and also when I have a resentment to say it right then and there, you know, I'm trying to do a lot of things that, um, because, you know, I lie a lot. And, and, and, what do you lie about everything like listening to sunspin yeah like that yeah i don't even know what it is it's a band my band i know okay i just because you're all the cover of it so i just yeah yeah yeah yeah but i've never listened to sunspin i apologize but you just lie about a lot of things trivial things i'm sure it's pretty good though i saw mission impossible that's not a lie did you love it you know what i really did but some people didn't like it did you like it i didn't see it

why it's not my cup of tea you've seen any of the mission impossible none what's your couple of two i don't like drama movies i don't like uh drama i don't watch it's not that i don't like horror uh some comedy documentaries yeah i like thrillers yeah i like those i don't like watching the same guy beat someone's ass for 10 different movies oh so you never saw john wick never oh really good movies all right so listen go back to lies so why do you lie why lie what do you mean why do you Do you don't lie? I don't know why I lie.

Like, okay, what do I? Let's think, let's talk about what, what I lie about. Do you lie to make the other person feel better? I just want to get through a conversation, so I'll just lie. So you don't like to be in a conversation. You want to get through a conversation. I'm going to get out of it. Never like to have a nice discussion about something.

I've been trying to do it more where I'm like, okay, just stay ground and listen to what they're saying. For the most of the part, it's most, but I don't really. Okay. hair but I tried to like in a relationship you have to yeah you have to pretend you care right so like you be a girl and I'll okay talk about your day um I did hot yoga from 9 to 10 oh yeah oh yeah and then I had lunch where is that um it's in Burbank oh near the Burbank 6 what else happened um oh I ran into this girl and we were talking I said I was dating you and she was like oh my God he's my favorite comedian. That's fucking fantastic. Yeah, I don't see a sincerity there. Okay. Oh, you want me to be

real. Well, yeah. Okay. All right. You just said, I had a conversation. Oh, all right. Do it again. Do it again. Watch. I'm leaning forward now. No, it's good. Go ahead. Um, you want me to be super sincere. Yes. Hey, so Sabrina, what did you do today? Hot yoga. You know, I've tried yoga. Yeah. Did you like it? No, so I tried yoga during the pandemic. Yoga. Yoga. Yoga in the pandemic. And I I find it, but, you know, doing it hot, you know what I mean? I've never done that. Well, you should try it. You want to go, why hot?

Why hot? You release more toxins. It's more, it's beneficial for your heart. Wow. Do you want to go? Yeah, I'll try. Yeah, I'll try it. You will.

Yeah, when do you go? How about tomorrow? I can't tomorrow. Well, when can you go? How about next week? Yeah. Two weeks. In two weeks.

Two weeks. Because Trump does that. He always says two weeks. We'll do it in two weeks. Come back to me in two weeks. All right, this is, what else happened? You see more interesting. I bumped into this girl, Susie, and we talked, and she, she happened to say your name.

I love Susie. You don't know Susie? Yeah, she said my name. Well, she's a fan of yours. I know. I've never met Susie? Maybe, I don't know. I don't think so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where I lie. Ah, say, I caught you in the lie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were caught in a lie. Because you, okay. Yeah, yeah. But you don't like, because I notice.

I don't want to be in a situation like, Susie's really good friends with you. Then I look like a fool. Right. So I try to beat it by saying, I love Suzy. Well, because I noticed like on the top. Like when you're on the street, right, and you're like, you know, you're in Hollywood. And you'll be at like a restaurant. And if anyone remotely looks like they're in Hollywood, you go, oh, yeah, or whatever.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you don't want to burn a bridge. Yeah. Right? So it's like, hey, I'm a big fan. Hey, man, good to see you again. We've never met before. You look familiar. Oh, here, can I tell you what happened?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a fucking, this is where the. the lie Bikes me in the ass All right So you know who Bung Jun Ho is? Yes, director Actor

Yeah No, he's your director Director, I was right Well, you looked at me I was like yeah he's director What is he acted in No, he's a director He's directed some really dark shit

Like what? God, I just watched it It was with the detective Whose wife dies Memoirs over murder Maybe, maybe that's it Yeah Anyway he did a movie

I love that movie Mickey 17 he did I didn't see it It's good. Anyway, so I get a call, and it's from, oh, Stephen Yun. Oh, yeah. And Stephen goes, hey, can I give Bong Joon's people your number? So I'm like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah.

So I get a call from some Korean to, hello. I go, hi. And he goes, you Bobby Lee? I go, yeah, he's doing, he's doing a museum. he's doing a museum what the fuck and he goes no he's film of augury you know and all the costumes he talk about anyway it's some sort of thing right so i show up i wear a suit okay wow right so then there he is bong junho so i take a photo with him and then i run into sosi bacon you know sosi yeah she's great i love sosey she was great and smile great and smile and her boyfriend scoot's doing

great. I don't know, Scoot. He was in a complete unknown. Do you see that? Yes, I liked it. Yeah. He played Woody Guthrie. Oh, nice. That was a great character. A great character. Yeah. So go ahead. So, so Scoot and, um, um, um, um, um, he's there. And then Scoot's talking to Bong Joon Ho. So I get kind of pushed out. Me and Soce do? So there's like this high-powered Korean Hollywood meeting going on. And me and now, Soce are like, in the back. so now just her and I are talking and we're talking about how uncomfortable we are like what are we doing here

you know what I mean and like should we eat we don't know right and so then this guy comes up to me and he looks like a Hollywood guy you know what I mean like high up you can just tell with the rings and everything the way he's talking

and he goes my daughter loved you in that movie to me and so he's sitting there right and I go oh yeah oh that's cool and he goes it's a movie I'd never even heard of before it's like I let's just say

it's S-caliber you go yeah it's Scalibur plus okay that's the movie you were great and it's Scalibur plus

I go oh thanks and he goes that thing that you did my daughter loves that you know I go yeah it was so yeah it was like tough to do

you just lied I just lied I just lied and then Sosie fucks me and she goes she goes was it animated or live action?

I go, live action. And the guy goes, it was animated. And caught me in the lie. Did you say, I mean, yes, it was animated. No. He froze. And I looked at it so soon, I go, you motherfucker. You were just embarrassed.

Did you? In front of the guy. Did you blush? I blush. And she goes, what? I go, I was lying. Right? And he goes, what?

You lied? Yeah, because I didn't want you to. The reason why. lie is because I get a lot of that. I get a lot of people going, I love you in some movie where there was an Asian in it. And I don't want them to feel like they're racist. So I just say I was in it. Or, you know, it's what else? It could be another way where you don't want to, you just want to get that conversation over. Like, you hear it so you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, is easier than saying, yeah, yeah, let's talk about this. Yeah, yeah. It's both. Yeah. It's a combination of both.

So it's like, so I just kind of get through it like, oh, yeah, I was in that, right? So they don't feel, you know what I mean, uncomfortable. And then they could just walk away. Was he weird after you lied? He goes, you didn't have to lie, dude. And I go, I know, I just. Why don't you say? Well, you didn't have to say a movie that I wasn't in.

I understand that, but then he just walked away. And then I looked at her and we kind of laughed hysterically. Oh, my. It was worth it, wasn't it? But it's one of those things where that's where I lie to. Do you go to therapy? Yeah. A lot?

Yeah. So my therapist says, you should have just. Because I'm not responsible for how he feels. Right. Right. I take on their responsibility. So from now on, I'm supposed to go, yeah, I wasn't in that. Have you done that since?

Well, no, I haven't had the opportunity to do, but I can't wait. You know what I mean? You're going to be like, I wasn't in that. What? You're going to say it. Yeah, I'm going to, well, just let's practice. Go ahead. All right.

I loved you in crazy rich Asians. Oh, yeah. You know what, sir? I wasn't in there. that movie. What? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, it was this other movie I was thinking of. It was, what else were you in? Well, I don't want to play that game either, sir. Oh, oh. Don't be feel, don't feel uncomfortable, but it's like, because now I'm going to be in a situation, I'm going to rattle off my thing. I hate that. And then none of it's going to be what

you know. Right, right. And then we're in a conundrum, and then we're both going to feel weird. And you feel bad about yourself. So, sir, sir, can we just move on with our lines? Yeah, sure. All right, so good to meet you. But you were great in Excalibur Plus. Yeah, yeah. Bank more oncores when you switch to a Scotia Bank banking package. Learn more at scotia bank.com slash banking packages. Conditions apply.

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We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. What else do you bring up with your therapist? Like, what's something you're concerned about or you want to fix yourself? There's so many things. Is there really? Oh, my God, there's just so many things. Do you work on them?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, why am I doing it every week? So you get something out of it? Oh, my God. It's like, it's changed my life. And they've heard the worst of you? Oh, my God, everything. And I, um, another thing is reading comments is relapsing for me, so I can't read comments.

No comments anymore. I can't go on Reddit. I can't read anything about it. Even on Instagram, comments on. Nothing. I haven't done that in a year. Does Andrew ever bring comments up? Everyone, my staff and everyone knows not to bring up anything negative.

But that's nothing to do with me. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's like, even like I was at the laugh factory and this woman, I didn't even perform, dude. I can see this woman from, so I was going to do the second show. And the first show was letting out. And I just happened to get there when they were coming out. I could see this woman beeline toward me, right?

she came all right up there and she goes just want to say you're not funny no yeah yeah yeah and then she just kind of walked out of the club bro like that's what that's a live comment what did you say nothing

I just went straight in the club and I went it's okay it's one person's opinion who would say that she did that's so rude I know but she did she was so adamant about it and once she saw me I could see her like process she's like there's the guy I

wanted to say that he's not funny right and he she came up to me and said it and then it's like is it true I don't know I don't think so that's the thing do you think it's what she said is true it can't because there's so much evidence right you know I mean yeah it's not true you know I mean so I try to weigh the evidence against that one person I say these things to myself like, you know, you know, maybe you're just not this. Maybe you're just not that. Well, let's, is that true or is that just a thought, you know, and you have to kind of go. You never get negative?

Yeah. Like what? What's wrong with me? That's not a negative thing? No, like, why are you, uh, why are you so impatient? Why are you, um, why can't you just be? That's not negative though. Why do you put up with bullshit?

Why do you? Those aren't negative things to me. Well, it is because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Have anything negative about what you're sensitive about, which is talent. Like if you're at a Comic-Con, one of those things you do, those beautiful things you do. You know what I mean? And some woman is like, you know, you're just really bad. You're a really bad Lex Luthor.

You're a bad actor. See, I would immediately say, well, you're the 0.001%. Ha, just kidding. What does that mean? In other words, you're the only one that thinks. you're one of the few that thinks that yeah i would my ego would step in the way and say hey you know in a funny way though not being a dick like fuck you i would never do that you at all in any kind of way no because i know that's not true so you're healthier than me i oh i know it's

not true only because um of the of the fans out there and so many people that i you know provided joy for and like done the show so if it was a lot of people if it was always like oh he was in the good Lex Lither. If it was constant, then I'd be like, maybe she's right. Maybe I wasn't good. Maybe I didn't do my job. But I felt like I did my job. But there's other things where, are you my therapist? Other things like what? I mean, there's, you know, there's, there's just things. Sometimes my appearance, sometimes to look in the mirror, I'm just like, fucking, you know, you're a six. Seven. Well, if, I always say I'm a six.

but a 10 in personality, so I'm eight. You're nine in personality. You're still a seven. Yes, I'm a seven. Six. What are you? A four. No, no.

For being a Korean, do you, listen. Go ahead. It depends on what you like. I'm in another category. I'm other. When you dress up and you try, you go look in. If you see a bunch of pandas and then you see a red panda.

Like, how do you compare the pandas against the red panda? They're just different. Just on, I don't base it. A smaller red. Yeah, I don't think like that. Okay. Why do? Do you look in the mirror and think I'm handsome?

No. You don't? No, because I've seen movies before. Like, I've seen Brad Pitt where I'm like... Well, nobody's Brad Pitt. I'm just saying I've seen what handsome is, Henry Cavill. Yeah? Handsome.

Yeah. But he's such a rarity. I'm just saying that that's 10. Right. So if you're looking at 10, right, like I have eyeballs. Even if I look at someone like Stephen You and I'm like, oh, you know who I had, I bowled with once, maybe five months, six months ago was Charles Milton. I don't know who that is. He's like a half Asian actor right now.

He's in everything. He's in beef two. He was in that movie, Warfare. You see Warfare? No. Okay. Great movie. Okay.

But, and I went bowling with them. And I was looking at him during bowling. And, you know, he was so nice to me. And he, I just thought to myself, oh, that's a 10. Why? Just his leather jacket, the way it drapes over his hunky body. His face? He had a motorcycle.

So when he came into the bowling alley, he took it off. And he waved his hair like this. Do you think that's not pretentious? No. It was beautiful. And little squirts came out of my penis. I don't know if it was pears come, but something squirted it out. Jesus, you go there.

What do I mean? You went there. It was arousing. You, but that's, why can I be real? But that, you're real,

but that's, you know, that's normal? That's insane. I look at Ryan, who's my engineer. Who's right? This is Ryan?

Hi, Ryan. You've been sitting next to him for 40 minutes. And I look at Ryan and I go, man, Ryan's a good looking guy. Can I,

let me frontal? When he shaves, by the way, you can't really see it, but look at those piercing eyes, dark eyebrows. He's like a, Ryan's a,

he's a, what would you rate, Ryan? Solid. eight I would say seven no I would say eight solid eight okay good looking you know good personality right there an eight like a that's a good one okay because he's got all the other things he's a really nice guy he's smart hmm I don't know why what's Matt rife to you who's that he's like the hot good looking very funny young comic that's show me a picture

blowing up show me Matt rife you don't know Matt rife oh yeah he does the Trump no it does the Trump impressions he does a Trump impression yeah he does impressions you mean Shane Gillis no yeah yeah yeah person either what you know we've made it abundantly clear that I don't know anybody or anything well I mean you're not in the stand-up world though yeah I'm gonna look it up get out of it it's too depressing show me a picture of Matt rife and I'm gonna tell you right now if I think he's handsome he is I'll be honest as a comic as it no not as a comic I don't look at people okay as a human he's a nine for sure Matt rife here we go got it he's cute he's kind of got a Slavic look uh he's got good

hair he's young you know if i saw him i go yeah eight he's an eight too yeah okay you shave him you put on a suit and you make him younger okay okay i think matt's a good looking guy but i was think ryan's a good looking guy i think that's where i know your eyeballs are not right no no no i look at you yeah yeah i think when you make an effort i don't have low self-esteem i know what i provide to the world. I like the way I look. I wouldn't change it for the world. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if no one knew who Bobby Lee was, let's say cut you know what I mean my reputation and my and who I am put me in a lineup with other people men, right? I don't know if I would be rated high. It just depends. I guess everybody has a choice. Yeah. Well, okay.

But like most, most people, most guys aren't that funny. I know. I said take out the personality take out all that stuff just as a shell just as like looking yeah i don't know yeah i don't know yeah i don't know if you'd be rated that high i don't think i'd be rated that high like i said a six yeah yeah let's go six then on both for me and you yeah okay so you want to be higher no that's what if you look at me and you think i'm a six i want you to tell me the truth no more lies all right i think that you're a seven now you know you're just trying i would be real now i'm being real a seven yeah And if you're a seven, I think I'm a six. What if we were both in suits?

Six. What do you mean? You can't put fucking Christmas lights on shit. Right. It's still shit. Yeah. I know you and Kalila are still very close. So I'm going to tell you, I'm talking about whatever I want to talk about.

Okay. But Kalala, you're still very close. Yeah. So I was in Hawaii last, I just got back two days ago. Okay. And I was in Hawaii with her and her boyfriend. Do you like him? Yeah, he's a nice guy and super sweet guy.

And we went to the beach together, went to a museum together another day. Are you comfortable? Yeah. You feel totally comfortable with him there. Are you lying? I mean, she dated the exact opposite of who I am. So he's white? No, he's way browner.

He's Asian? No, he's Samoani. Okay. He's six four. Good looking? Kind of in a, if you put Jason Mamoa, and then you put some like mohanna elements into it what would you what would you give him ranking he's an 8.5 for an islander yeah no take out the islander just eight then okay yeah yeah

what would you say Andrew Santino is honestly take out the red no no keep the red keep the red nothing but looking at he's it he's definitely an eight I think he's a good looking guy I think he is too yeah He's got a good, he's also very athletic. He's charming. Yeah, yeah. But looking at him, I would say, I would definitely go seven, half, eight for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's better looking than me.

Yeah. No, who's a better actor? You guys are very good, both good actor. He's really good actor. I was surprised because I didn't know and then I started watching some stuff that he was in. Yeah, he's so good. He's really good. He's natural.

He's also good at everything. His instincts, like when we do, we're doing a couple of animated shows together. And one of them is a movie. and it's a pretty big movie and so they put us because we're in the animated movie together like you know me in scenes so they have us in the booths together

and he gives me a lot of notes do you like them he's always right but it drives me crazy at the time but he's always right you just want to go in there and do it and he goes you're rushing that line I go what do you mean

you say it like this and then I want to go fuck you I'll do it my way but when he says it i'm like yeah that's the way it's done do you guys ever honestly get mad at each other like you're like really pissed at him here's a thing um and this is a lesson that i want to teach everyone that's listening right now right why did wham break up they didn't simon and garfunkel no wams different i think they got along but like george wanted to go do something else it's different for uh who's the other band you said simon and garfunkel simon garfungo they hated each other yeah so you know um

When you're in a duo, right, egos run amok, okay? Do you have an ego? We both do. And resentments can build up pretty quickly, especially when you're together all the time. Yeah. Some people do more work than others, and I know my role in that. He does way more work in the podcast than I do. So I give him some slack.

Slack and room. And, like, for instance, in a business situation, sometimes I'll give him more of a percentage on stuff does he ask you or do you just say offer it no i offer it up because um you know i don't want to cause because we have a good thing going and i don't want to cause any rift rift because i don't want to break up so you have to do a lot of that you know do you honestly without lying do you love him i love him like a brother right no i like a war hero like not war hero like we're in the same platoon in Vietnam. But sometimes you get to set and you're going to

film and you're already upset about him about something. I'll say something like he did, you know, when you said that in front of that person in front of me, that really hurt my feelings. And what he say? He'll go, really that? Which will make me even more mad. Yeah, that. And then he'll go,

okay, I'm sorry. And it's genuine? Yeah. Does he do that with you? Yeah. What's the one thing that would, that bothers him the most? that you say no because you're trying to I don't know you because these are closed doors I don't reopen it is there something he would say that bot would knows it will trigger you we both okay it's so funny we both know things about each other if we said one thing not would it trigger us we could say one thing that would just completely make us not ever hang out with each other again

that extreme oh yeah we know you have I know is I know it is I know his buttons and he knows mine. You both have skeletons. That's a weird way to say it. Well, is it something historical about you or is it more personal about you? It's just things that we're sensitive about. We all have things that we're sensitive about. I don't know yours yet. Oh, yeah. There's plenty. But there's probably something so deep and cutting that I could say that will make you go, oh, I can never hang out with that guy again. Like, if you're said something like i don't want to know you don't want to know it i don't want to have bullets and a gun no but you would never use that i might no okay anyway but you do have stuff right yeah okay

so that's my point so with me andrew we were very sensitive about it he called me today in fact on my way over here called he's in new york and he calls how's it going you know these are some of the things that are happening and what's going on you know we we check in with each other when he's out of town or whatever. So it's a really good, healthy, as a healthy as it can get. That's great. We've been together for six years almost, you know. I mean, we've been friends way before that. And George produces it. George Kimmel? A little bit, yeah. Do you like George? Some of his beliefs I don't believe in.

And he has certain beliefs. I'm like, what are you talking about? Right. Yeah, I mean, and I don't even bring those up because it'll get me all crazy. it's very like you do bring them up no it's very like he grew up in a farm which i love i love farm people and i love i love i really do i love rural sure yeah yeah yeah yeah hardworking people good people you know i mean but um there's certain beliefs that i don't believe in leave it at that leave it at that yeah yeah yeah and there's probably beliefs that you have that i don't believe in do you take any minute i do you take anyway what do you take i take exa pro i take rid of loan

Ritalin? Yeah, yeah. Doesn't that make you just like all over the place? No, it calms me down. How much do you take? I don't know what the middle. But you take it every morning. No, only when I need it.

Do you have anything else? Are you healthy? I take a tunnel all, which is a beta blocker sometimes. For stand-up? No, for acting. Do you get nervous still when you do stand-up or acting? So you can go up in front of a thousand people, 2,000, 10,000 people, and you're not nervous.

No. But when you're acting with a small crew, and they say action, why? Because I have no control of, I have to do it the way they wanted to do it, really. It's a lot of this. It's like you do a take

and you can look at Video Village and they're all having a discussion. Right? I'm going to get fired. No, you don't think that, but you go, oh, I'm about to get a hell on outs. And I can't handle it. No, I can handle it,

but it's like, yeah, you, They come to you and they go, yeah, good take. It was all wrong. I go, okay, yeah, you're supposed to be more quiet. You know what I mean? It's like, it's too aggressive. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And it's also, you're saying all these words wrong. So you like more control. Well, when you're doing stand-up, you can say whatever you want. There's no right or wrong, right? So it's like no one after your shot comes up to you in Gaza. Well, this part, you know what I mean? I mean, you let the audience dictate, you know, I mean, if it's, good or bad right so i can handle that but it's like when somebody like you know you have a writer

like erin sorkin or something like that i mean you have to say it the way they want it said you have to do it the way they want to do it and i think in situations like that it doesn't feel as creative you know i mean yeah or like they'll do like i did i was doing i was doing like maybe four or five years ago i was on reoccurring on a show i don't want to mention what it was it bad no it was a good show i just they just never asked me back there for a couple of seasons but um but i remember sitting there and i had no line like it was like the scene where there was a lot of people in it i literally had no line i was sort of just in the background a little bit so you know i'm in the scene but i'm like who gives a fuck right

and then i hear cut and then i can see the director come up to me me i had no line you know what's kind of embarrassing it's embarrassing and he comes up to me and he goes energy and then he kind of walks away and all the other actors are looking at me I'm like so then what does that even mean so now the next take I'm like trying to exude so I don't know what the fuck he means

you know what did it work no then he came back for another note no but I'm just saying it's like I did the same as I did the last time my point being is that it's not fun do you like acting sometimes I do yeah sometimes I'll be like Oh, that was, because they keep your take. That's what you like.

See, it is a control thing. They keep your choices and the way you're doing it. You know, like my instincts where it's like, I think this is the way and they don't give you, you know, sometimes they'll give, you know, I don't care if they're moving you in a certain direction or if you're kind of lost. That's fine, but it's like when they're like kind of liking what you're doing

and you're coming to a compromise, I like. Yeah. And then you're watching and go, oh, yeah, that's pretty much what I thought it was going to be. but sometimes it's like they're so controlling you're like and then you see it like yeah look like how stiff I am like I don't know what that I shouldn't listen to that fucking yeah yeah sometimes it's that and then it's like it's not fun I uh I understand what do you think I 100% there's something about when you do a take and they're like yeah yeah yeah you know that's that's what we want to do and they just give you a little note here a little note there and you're still doing it the way you want to do it yeah

but when they're in there and they're just like like you know coming up to you and say energy yeah To someone who doesn't have any lines, it's like, you know, I don't know what the hell were you asleep in the scene? Or I had this one director once, maybe years ago, and he goes,

you have to walk in like this. And I'm like, no, what? It's not even real. You know what I mean? But I envisioned it, like he was like a first time director. Yeah.

He had never directed anything in his life. And, you know, sometimes when you're first time director, you just talk to actors in the wrong way because you think, I'm now the captain. Yeah.

Of the ship. Yeah. So you're going to do, exactly the way I envisioned it in my own beady little head you would have walking like this I go I'm not doing that it doesn't mean it's not real it doesn't make sense in the scene

and it caused tension but it's just like something you have to put your fucking foot down and go that's not real and you felt good about it I felt bad that we didn't really get along after that because he kept doing it you know what I mean it was like crazy

it was like you know and the movie was terrible You ever work with any guys that are assholes to you on set? Oh, my God, dude, so many. It's the history of my career. Why? I don't understand that. I hate screamers. You've had people yell at you?

Oh, my God. Yeah. Like really yell. Oh, yeah. What did they do? Oh, my God, dude. I can't even, be real, though. I don't want to dredge up stuff, but, um.

You don't have to say their name. Okay, good. I've had people go. Who was it? This guy, I had a guy say. out loud you're not an actor you're the worst actor in front of the crew oh yeah from the crew i had another screamer you know what i mean scream at me about like what do you have sides in your hand in my day we memorized our lines a month before you know what i mean that kind of thing

and so i for that one for that one i went up to one of the producers and i go because i was reoccurring on it and i go because at this point i was punked like my podcasting was yeah took off i didn't need it right so i just walked up to the person i go dude if i remember back here dude i don't ever want to work with this director it was a director yeah yeah and he goes all right all right and i go okay and i never worked with him again he called you out and said you're not an actor no that was not that was that was it right the guy with memorizing the lines was was that guy i just don't like scream like screaming because it's like It's what my dad used to do.

Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah. So you've never had a screamer. No, I had somebody. Well, tell me the screaming. You know the story. Tell me.

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Yeah. And I walk on set and this guy, B-lines right to me and goes, you are fucking my day. you're fucking my day man you're late you come in here late i got a lot of setups and i go and the the ad comes over and goes like we'll talk about this after you had had you worked with this director before no oh so if people don't know if people don't know you got to explain it to people yeah when you're on a show like smallville every week is a new director is a new director right and so okay continue and i just was like all of a sudden i felt like it was my you know my dad screaming at me and my body's numb and my mind is tingling my I love it I've been there I love

the tingling it's tingling trauma trauma trauma I'm just like embarrassed I'm and there's a they're all right we're ready to roll and um Erica Durant's the actress she played Lois awesome uh she's with me and the crane comes down and it finds us and we walk and talk for you know and she goes are you all right and they're like action and i go no i wish they had this on camera somewhere and i just fucking went right to video village and they had to stop me and i said you motherfucker don't ever talk to me like that again you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and i and i you're late though no no no on my mother's life it was absolutely foreign to me what he was talking about and he laid into me and I and I lost my shit man wow I was going to I was going to I was going to really grab him like I was

going to grab him wow they had to stop me and it took me aside and I went to my trailer to cool off oh you're one of those I love that no no no I needed to go guys I need they actually said yeah yeah yeah so I went to the trailer and I was just like I I can't believe someone talked to me like that. What did I do wrong? I felt like a kid being reprimanded for something that I didn't do. And I was so, I can remember the feeling. And they came and they say, listen, we got to do this show. He was in he was wrong. He admits it. He wants to say he's sorry. Can you at least please? And I go. And I go, yeah. And I came outside and he goes, I was out of line. Sorry. I thought you were late.

I, this is what they said. I go, listen, man, I don't care if I was late. You don't talk to anyone like that, the way you talk to me. And it was one of those moments. And it was, it took me a while to calm down. The nerve, the nerve of, if I was late, I'd be like, he's right. It's not that. What season was it?

Probably season four. Okay, so you're, I've already done a hundred episodes. 100 episodes, right? This is, they're not going to fire you. No. Right. Also, you're the nicest guy in the world. I've worked with it before. Yeah, I don't, I don't yell at people. Yeah, but also, you're so fun to hang out with.

You would sneak in my dressing room. You know what I mean? Half naked. We had a good time. It's up there. You know, and, you did. Yeah, you too. You know, it was so fun, you and I, but. Me too. And the gall of a first-time director to yell at a guy that's a series regular, season four, I can't fucking believe it. You know, I remember exactly what he was wearing.

Do you remember his name? You don't have to say it, but do you remember his name? I do know his name, but it's not coming to me, but it's right there. What if you go to Paul Thomas Anderson? No. No. And you know what's funny is three months later, I got an audition to be in a movie he was directing. And I said, no.

Wow. I'm not going in. Was it a good movie? I didn't give a shit. Okay. I don't care if it was practice. What directors can talk to you like that? Any do you direct?

First of all, no good directors talk to people like that. Hypothetically. I'm Paul Thomas Anderson If And he's And he's gonna scream at you And he screamed at me I'd be like oh my God

I would do the scene And then I would come up And go hey You would go up to Paul Thomas Anderson Go hey don't scream at me Yeah I would say Listen They're wrong

I was absolutely on time I'm never late for work I don't know where you got that But I'm never late And I just want to say that Because I was not I'm not gonna be blamed For something that I didn't do

Okay but what if it was this right Spielberg No no stop You're acting and Paul Timmer's like guy the tone's wrong how do you want the tone

softer okay and so you but that he yelled um you wouldn't say anything after you wouldn't go up to him and go hey Paul I don't like when people scream at me

I you know what here's the thing you wouldn't I have a problem with people being mean so I don't care who it is you would you would after it You said after the scene, you would walk up to Paul Thomas Anderson and go, I don't like your tone.

If he yelled at me and I thought it was really. No, dude, that's insane. No. You shut your mouth. No. I would shut my mouth. It just depends on the situation. Yeah.

Somebody just comes on set, Paul Thomas Anderson and says, says, hey, you're fucking late. Get on your mark and let's go. I'd be like, whoa, whoa, hold on a second. You're wrong. I'm not late. That's absolutely wrong. And, you know, I appreciate if you didn't talk to me like that. what if you were late then i'd say you're absolutely right i'm i apologize i'm so sorry i'm an

asshole and that will never happen okay okay that's what would happen all right but i can't at this age especially no one can talk to me like that i mean there's some directors i would suck their tick bung john who what is his name yeah i mean there's just certain directors like i think i'm this is a lottery don't there some jobs where it's a lottery situation you're like i gotta do everything i can to make this yeah but i always do that i treat everything like it's like the best You look at your watch? No, I have no watch on. Okay, I thought maybe it was a new watch that you don't see.

Oh, is it back, like futuristic Japanese stuff that Asians have? Yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow. This is shit talking. That's what I hear. That's what I hear. Shit talking with Bobby Lee. These are rapid fire. These are my patrons.

At the end yet? No, we don't have to be at the end, but this is, this is these questions. Rapidfire patron.com slash inside of you. Donji says if you could give advice to anyone going through what you did, what would it be? What thing? I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe your death of your father and they're going through death with their father. What, um, what, just, everyone, okay, every human being experiences the same types of loss.

Okay. It's not a, you're not special, right? And it's hard for everybody. And it's just like, don't mask it by drinking and doing drugs and really feel everything. it's a roller coaster life so even when things are bad you know three years ago i had a really bad year you know i mean and it's like i felt everything i was sober too i felt everything and it was every day was pain but then the last year everything's been great you know i mean so it's like i just feel everything move on like you will turn a corner yeah it yeah no that's great advice

unless you're dying i don't know how to do that did you hear that comedian uh it wasn't a comedian it was a public or some speaker and the guy goes um two things that happen to a person when you're when you're sick you're either going to get worse or are you going to get better if you get better you got nothing to worry about if you get worse you got two things to worry about which is what are you going to get are you going to die or are you going to live if you're going to live you ain't got nothing to worry about you're going to die two things that worry about what if you can go to heaven what are you going to go to hell really but he makes it longer and he's like it's like if you kind of think of it like that

it's like what's really that bad yeah in a lot of ways if you're i think that is bad well death is bad especially if you don't believe in an afterlife you don't i don't know yet but i mean not if if it was nothingness how could that even be bad how i wouldn't even know there's got to be some reason for it all there has to be you really believe that go back as far as you can to nothing 1970s no go wait i'm talking 4.5 what if okay there's nothing there's just space what if there's before space there's nothing there's there's something something creates something okay you can't nothing nothing something can't be created by nothing little isa what is something you love about yourself i love i'm a survivor

I'm strong. I'm cockroach-like. I really am. I'm very cockroachy. And before, you know, when I was coming up in comedy, people would say, you're cockroachy. And I used to think that that was a bad thing. We're like, oh, am I? You know what I mean?

Like I'm Peter Baylish, like Littlefinger in Game of Game of Game of Game. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? But I'm like, yeah, I'm Littlefinger. You just keep coming back. I'm a survivor. Yeah, yeah. No, I love that. Yeah.

Teapaw 12, what movies? Have you enjoyed this year? Mission Impossible. Warfare I liked. Did you see the ugly stepsister? No, is that good? Watch it on Shutter. Really?

Yeah. I love, I have Shudder. Yeah, me too. I try to watch everything. Some of it's like great. The something about Jenny Penn with John Lithgow. Is that on? Dude, I have a list of movies you need to watch.

Okay. Honestly, send it to me. I will. You'll shit at the movies. I'll send you. Do you see the original Speak No Evil? Yeah, I saw both. Oh, they fucking good.

I love both of them. Yeah, yeah. All right, Linda M. Who's been the most influential person in your life? God, that's a good question. I think my original AA sponsor, Dan Irvin. Really? Irwin, yeah.

What was it about him? I think because he was sober. He was also, you know, in the, I met him in the late 80s, this guy. And he was my, and I still, I just gave him, like, a 40-year-old, 40-year-old, sobriety birthday down in San Diego. So I still, you know what I mean? Fuck with him. And back then he was like, he had this long white hair. He had tattoos to his wrist, full Korean dude, a biker. You know what I mean? And there's just something cool about him. And he was like sober and he was like, he used to date like really hot white chicks. And I just thought to myself, this is like,

there's a path out of here. You looked up to him. Yeah, because in my mind, I'm like, oh, I'm only going to date like a four-for-two Vietnamese girl named Ting-Ting or something you know what I mean and that's my future but after I met Dan I was like oh no the sky's the limit and it's true wow yeah janty how do you work through challenging moments in your life I don't remember okay starla s one word to describe yourself as a person cockroach cockroach yeah cockroach like yeah how hard is it to be sober is it really that's I've never I've never had problems with alcohol if you maintain your sobriety it's easy you know if you don't it's hard it's like you know um it's odd there is a spirituality to it and it's you know the the obsession to use and drink has been

removed and i don't know how it's always been a mystery to me that's like why am i not doing it now you know i mean and i always you know i mean equated to something out there removed it from me You know, I don't know if it's true or not, but it really is, it feels true because I don't think about it, you know. And there's something about, like, I went to a meeting earlier the day at noon, and it was a meeting that I started at the improv. So it's like, it was originally a meeting set up for comedians. But you show, you know, sometimes I don't go, but like, you know, sometimes I'll go. Because in the beginning, I went every Wednesday. But now it just kind of survives on its own.

you know what I mean to go back and visit to see people there's something gratifying not gratifying there's something about rewarding rewarding about it you know what I mean but yeah anyway no I think that's great no no but I'm asking because I these random questions a loved one no that's over okay I love like a loved one you're someone I really adore who and love I'm gonna say but you know they went to a treatment center and do you think it's vital for them to continue the therapy and the AA after they're not going to survive daily maintenance yes you have to because it's not about you know i just think that drinking and using drugs is just a symptom of your problems i think yeah the core of it is like this deep selfish obsessive

thinking you know i mean and the only way to get out of that thinking is to help other people yeah you know i mean and so it's like even when i go to a meeting and i can just shake somebody's hand or you know i mean since i have you know since i'm a comic and i'm successful to see younger comics see me you know i mean still be sober influences them like look at him because you know i i i would not be here without sorority because i got sober originally when i was 17 and i've only had small gaps of relaps so everything that i have today is through being sober you know i mean or you know so it's like i don't know you know what i see I know you're trying to deflect now because you just said something really profound.

I did say anything profound. No, you've said a couple of things profound. I think, you know, knowing you so long, seeing where you are now, you definitely matured, like in a really strong way. Like, there's just certain things about you, principles, things that I'm not sure that you really took as seriously as you do in the last couple years. I just don't care as much about how people perceive me or feel about me. You really? Now don't.

because it's not true like a lot of it's not true at all in any way I've always helped people in this business I've always tried to help people get sober I've always you have no I really have I mean the proof is in the pudding and I've always been very generous you know and I'm not going to allow you know I mean

outside people yeah who don't know me dictate who I am or I think that's great. Will I ever be on Tiger Bell again? You've done it? How many times you've done it? I mean, it's been years. How many times have you done it?

I probably did it three times, but years ago. Four or five years ago? I think Bill Burr has done it three times. Bill Burr. I know. Pretty amazing. You know, some people have only done it once. Pumpkin is here at Starbucks, and we're making it just the way you like.

Handcrafted with real ingredients like our real pumpkin sauce. and rich espresso out, sprinkled with pumpkin spice. It's full of real flavors you'll keep coming back for. Made just for you at Starbucks. Who's the most excited you've been about a guest? I think me and, I mean, every time, I mean, me, bad friends, we've had Jack Black. That was exciting. That was great.

Yeah, it was fun. And then we just had, I mean, people have their opinions. And this is where, but Shia and David Mamick. That was, yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, don't you feel like, oh, my God, what am I going to say to these people? Are you nervous about, like... No, because I, you know, I've had a long relationship with Shaya over the years, you know, but based on sobriety.

So, not him, but David Mamet was, but I, so you know Mike Binder? Of course, I love Binder. Yeah, so Binder was the, was the connection between Mammett and me, you know what I mean? So Binder, no, it wasn't Pai, but it was Lige, a guy named Lodge. I don't know, Lige. Okay, you don't have to. Yeah, I don't know Lige. You don't have to.

I did a movie called, what, Sweet Dreams with Johnny Knoxville and Theo. Love, yeah. And so Lige was the director. Anyway, Lige goes, you know what I mean? Mabit wants to do it to promote his movie. I go, and so he gave me what he was about. And then also he got educated about what bad friends was that I don't know anything. I'm dumb.

You know what I'm going to ask dumb questions. Like, one of the questions I asked him was, is directing hard? And it's like, did Adam, oh, did Andrew just laugh? They all laugh. Now, everyone laughed. Right. But it's like, yeah, so I mean. Be you. Yeah.

Just say what you want to say. Yeah. I think it is very hard. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredibly hard. Yeah. It's incredibly hard when you have no money.

How many did you do? One? I just did one feature, but I'm trying to get money to do another one. But, dude, no money to shoot 17 days in, like, Indiana with no budget with no how much do you need thing is people always say just shoot on your iPhones yeah yeah I need good sound

I need good production value I need good make I need good are you scared though about AI because yeah I just had a meeting sure the big company and they're like we're developing a show primarily AI be what you want to use your voice and your likeness yeah yeah and I'm like it was like a real

credible company and I was like I got scared. I'm like, wow, this is, it's coming. And, you know, it's, in a year from now, it'll be completely. Well, commercials, photography, you won't need any of it. None of it. So I feel bad for them. Yeah.

Also, dude, it's like with robotics and all that stuff. I mean, five, AI, five years, what are people going to do? I know. You won't need actors. I know, but what are, what are, I mean, but when it replaces accountants and all these other jobs what are what are they what are people in this country on this planet going to do i feel like it's maybe a bad analogy but i'm one of those guys who wants to keep umpires in the game because sometimes they make bad calls but most time they're fine and it's character but his corporations are going to want

to put empire still in the game i don't think so but they're trying to put these machines in the in the baseball where it's just they call then there's no discrepancy there's no it's a strike it's a all yeah you know what you're going to get it's perfect um i i i like a little imperfections i'm imperfect yeah but companies don't have to pay yeah that the i i mean they have to pay the empire and they yeah so i i don't think especially with corporations i think we're fucked i think it's a terrible time to be in the business but like oh showbus is done well i just i don't think it's done look at me right look right now it's done but there's still so many shows around so many things being made. But what I'm saying to you is, okay, I don't want to be Debbie Downer. I know a guy who's on

two shows and they're high profile kind of shows. No one knows his name. That's okay. My point is is that and and these shows are like these, the two shows I'm talking about are one in a million shows. I mean, they're the ones that people, all the critics and everyone are talking about. Still, they don't know his name. My point being is that you know this town. Right now, go on Warner Brothers lot. It's dead. Coyotes are walking around. You know what I mean? It's dead. You know what, though? I think the industry in a lot of ways did it to themselves, because why isn't it easy to film in California? It should be the easiest place on earth to film in Hollywood, California.

It should be the best grants or the facilities, the talent. They want to make money and they want to make this more thriving, this industry than do that. I don't know. Well, I mean, we talked to Gavin about tax breaks in L.A. or whatever. Is that what it is?

Yeah, we're trying. I mean, why don't they just give? I don't know. But Michael, listen to this. Like, let's talk about Theo's podcast. All right? What TV shows do better numbers than his podcast? Not many.

Not many, dude. Okay, that's my point. So the new norm is going to be people with YouTube shows. The reason why I'm here doing your podcast is because I'm guest starring on a TV show. What show? Inside of you with Michael Roosevelt. Oh, oh, yeah. This is a show.

Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, it's like, my point being is that you won't need them. You're not going to need it. And people, the reason why people listen to bad friends, right, is because comedy in Hollywood is watered down. There's too many gaykeepers. There's too many, there's too much censorship. Yeah. Right.

And people are getting it from the tap. No, there's a lot of people that don't like our styles. They think that we're, whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I can tell you. Vulgar or whatever. Yeah, people say. But it doesn't matter.

there is a segment, a large group of people on this planet that like what we're doing. You know what I mean? So it's like, for me, it's like, I do get auditions still. I get auditions like, hey, you want to do, you know, a scene in this show that nobody watches? And I'm like, no. Plus, I have to read for it. Fuck off. Yeah.

Why do I, why should I do that? For no money? For nothing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, two days, $1,500. dollar you know a day what is it going to do for you and you're like oh yeah and then my agents and my managers take 40% of that with taxes i come away with with a couple hundred bucks i'll just do my own

shit thanks though i'll just do my thing yeah that's my point now if there was no such thing as podcasting yeah i wait in line like everyone else but then because there's if there was no youtube there was no social media there was no ticot etc etc right it would be like the olden days where we would have to that was the they had gatekeepers we'd have to see alison jones yeah you know me you know what I mean you know there's more of an excitement dude that is true

there was more of an excitement yeah now it's just like everything everybody and this relates to everybody who's listening right now many of you are working from home there's that I know you don't want to go into work but like there was sort of like a connection and everybody's working and you go hey let's go have a beer

after or let's go hang out after it's all that it seems like it's gone when I auditioned for mad and there was hundreds you know, hundreds of sketch people, you know what I mean, the auditions. Yeah. And it came down to me and some other guy, but they hired both of us at the end of the day. But getting that call, remember?

Mm-hmm. You got it. There's, you will never feel that again. Well, thanks for being here. I mean, but you're what I mean? No. That lottery call and then you go, you, I remember when I got the, I was in my Volkswagen, This is when cell phones first came out,

so I had one of those Nokia things. Yeah, yeah. Right? And, you know, you can barely hear like your agent, but like, you got it, right? And then congratulations, this and that. And I hung it up. And I remember sitting in my car for like an hour.

Just looking down and just in that dreamlike. Dreams come true. Dreams come true feeling. I haven't felt that in years. How about you? I got one two months ago. I think it still happens. You got to just...

Yeah, you're right. You're going to make your own dreams come true. Yeah, I got one that was not Hollywood related in a sense, but the feeling was like, this is cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? So sometimes it does. Yeah, yeah, but it's not as much.

It didn't feel like back then because it was like so fucking hard. Yeah. It was hard. No. I mean, give me your top three. Call. Thanks for being here. Okay. No, no, go ahead. Give me your top three calls of what you do, if you remember, of you got getting really excited. My grandmother who told me, I said I'm on my way to an audition and she died a week later. That's not what I'm talking about. Hang on, hang on. And then a week, then at her funeral, I went home and I checked my messages. And my agency says, I'm really sorry about grandma. I hope you're doing okay. I want you to know you got Smallville. And it was the audition that she, said you're going to get and she's never said that before and when he said that i closed my eyes and i just sat there and i cried and it was just like a it was a nice moment uh you know remember

getting urban legend and fighting for it they were going to get big names but the director like me and they saw me again and everybody was like i had to fight for it in the room and my energy and my and really and getting that call saying you fucking got it you know shit like that yeah it's a good feeling it's a good feeling it pays off it's just not i i haven't had one of those in a long Can I tell you one, one, and it didn't work out. Yeah. It didn't work out. Yeah.

But it was a magical thing. I had, so I get a call. So this is when, you know, so I had auditioned for Bruno, which is after Borat. And I almost got it. I almost got it. Really? Yeah. So then after that, maybe a couple years after that, I get a call from Sasha's people.

And they said, we're going to do a job. dictate we're going to do a table read for the dictator and they what are you doing i was just taking a live picture i don't do i wanted to do it i wanted to take one i never do that so i thought i took a picture it's just extra stuff to put on the i should not finish what i'm saying yeah finished i'm listening go ahead about the i just feel like you're not you don't care about this i've cared let's let's just move on no i want to hear the end of this well you took a photo of me during it yeah because i want to capture a moment all right go ahead So I get a call, and they said, they're doing a table read for the dictator, but you're not in the movie.

They just need to hear it out loud. It was the most stressful table read I've ever been to because I showed up and it was like Gary Shanling, Larry David, everyone, Apatow, everyone was in the crowd, like in this audience, right? And then in the panel was me, Nicole, it was just a bunch of us, right? And no one had it, you know what I mean? and I remember afterwards Gary Shandling and Larry Charles came up to me and they go

killed it that was it and I remember going I already knew I got it they went off for me I just knew it I was walking out and they kind of cornered me

you know what I mean and they go killed it good job and I just remember going I couldn't fucking believe it Wow You know what I mean? Yeah

So that was one You know what I always I always remember It's amazing Yeah But then I can name you 10,000 disasters Yeah

Yeah What did you do in there? Yeah yeah I yeah Look I love you What was that you just did? I just did this Yeah yeah

Are we done? Yeah It's too long This is the longest podcast I've ever had They're an hour or less This one is 122, which means you're the longest podcast I've ever done.

And you know what's so funny? I can tell when you're done. No, here's the thing. You're taking photos of me while I'm telling a story. No, no, no. Here's why I, you know, because in my mind, I'm like, oh, they're, they're going to want to go. They've got to get out of here. He's busy.

He's got a lot of stuff going on. So it's for you, really. Okay. So can I ask you a question? Sure. How long was Dr. Javago? Too fucking long. No, I don't think so.

It was right about right. You think? Yeah. You think all these big movies now that are three hours are right? I mean, Mission Impossible was three hours. Fuck that. I'm not going with a three-hour movie. Okay, well, that's you.

But some people listening might want a three-hour podcast. Maybe they don't have anything to do after. That's what you're not getting what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I think you get ADHD. Like, you get more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You did the list. Oh, wow. What else? What else do we do now? No, I could talk for it. I could talk forever. Don't do the list then. You mean the list I gave?

The question. Well, that was from people. Because when you did that, was like, oh, this is the end. I'm not going to end there. Let's keep going. Listen. See, now you're drifting. No.

What's wrong? There's nothing wrong. I might not come back here for me three years. No, you won't come back for three years. Exactly. You won't. You won't. You won't come back.

Thanks for having me on. You know, you won't listen. Let's end it there. Don't you do. No. Don't do it. I'm done. Don't do it.

Yeah, yeah. Don't leave. All right. Hey, thanks for being here. All right. I love you. I love you too. Oh, hi, buddy.

Who's the best you are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. be like goldfish bobby so funny i don't know what else to say i hope you enjoyed that i mean you got some real stuff in there yeah you got some real stuff some jokery stuff he calls me

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what I wanted to talk about it's uh and then you have to say let's let's talk about that next week and then you don't and you bring up something else write it down your therapist should write it down no we do like yeah of course he does but yeah some then it just it stops becoming the most prominent thing and then something else happens or or maybe or maybe it has dissipated yeah i have therapy tomorrow we're going to talk about some stuff i do too yeah 10 o'clock i'll be eight okay i'm not waking up that early uh all right thank you to all the patrons and right now we're going to give a shout out to all the top tier patrons who give to the show and make it what it is Nancy D, Little Lisa, Uquico, Brian H, Nico P, Rob B, Jason W, Sophie, Amaraj, C, Library,

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