Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - (Bonus) Food on Foot

Episode Date: November 20, 2019

It is my absolute pleasure to share a bonus episode this week for something very near and dear to my heart… today we are joined by Rob from Food on Foot, Duke a volunteer, and Roy a person who has blossomed through this life-changing nonprofit organization. Food on Foot is a nonprofit dedicated to assisting our homeless and low-income neighbors in Los Angeles with nutritious meals, clothing, and a fresh start through a life-skills education, full-time employment, and permanent housing. Listen as we talk about the need for Food on Foot here in L.A. (and throughout the country) and how we need help from great people like you. Show some support for Food on Foot by checking out: foodonfoot.org Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And he joined this organization called Food on Foot. It's a nonprofit organization. They get homeless people off the streets. And there's a lot of different organizations, and they all do different things. And I was like, oh, great. Rob, it's great that you do this. that and I remember one day he said hey I'm on my way to feed the homeless for the organization for food on foot you want me to pick you up so I decided to go with Rob and I think my life changed

in many ways after that day a very special episode we got Duke Sherman who's a volunteer for food on foot he's here today Roy Sewell is the guest Roy is uh he's going to tell you about his life and we'll see how much he opens up but I appreciate you guys guys, your support will have links and all these things that you can be a part of this. You could change someone's life. You seriously can change someone's life. This changed me. So right now, let's get inside of Roy Sewell. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded.

in front of a live studio audience. And we are at the LGBT building in Hollywood. I am with Duke Sherman, who's a volunteer at Food on Foot. I'm with Rob Danson, to my left, who is the head of marketing at Food on Foot. I am here with the star of the day, Roy Sewell. Man, you're the first one ever got it right on the first try. Man, it's sea well, soul well.

I'm like, oh, that's not an O. You don't like that. You don't like when people mess your name up? It's okay. I like when they mess it up. Because then I get to correct them, then they'd be looking like, oh, man. Roy, I met you probably, what, a couple months ago? Yeah, a couple months ago.

I feel like it's about 40 years, but yeah, a couple months ago. Do you feel like you know me that long? You feel like it's just too long, and it feels like it's been forever. Yeah, and I'm only 21, so yeah. Yeah, you wish. You just celebrated your 46th birthday. Remember we saying happy birthday? Oh, man, you could count.

Oh, my God, you can kill. I think I can. So far. So listen, man, this story's about you, and I really appreciate you coming in and talking about because first of all, A, it's hard. It's probably hard to talk about. B, I mean, you've been through hell. Why I thought this was important is because there's, you know, we just talked to

there's like 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles, 80,000 in New York. There's, I mean, hundreds of thousands across the country. So it's just like it's an epidemic and, you know, where we focus on so many other things, even the presidential, you know, the campaigns and all these homelessness is one of those things that get lost in the cracks. And people talk about it, but nothing ever really gets solved. You know, like I just read somewhere where, oh, they increased the occupancy in apartments where, you know, now more people are allowed to live in there. Like, that's going to just solve it.

But why I'm here is because I felt like food on foot does change lives. Right. You know, 90% effective rate. And, you know, your story is, it proves that. So, Roy, you weren't homeless your whole life. You probably had things going right for a while, didn't you? Yeah, I had a lot of things going right for me for a while. Like, in my younger days, I played high school basketball, then I went from high school to college.

Apparently, there was two years, but the whole while I had a flip side to me that people didn't know about because I learned the art of being a criminal. And when I mean by that, there's being a smart criminal because you can have a criminal, but you don't have a smart criminal. Because before I did anything, though, I always plan it to a profession where I don't get caught, period. like there's no getting caught there's no plan B it's only a plan A period what year was it when you became homeless well i became homeless in um 2018 17 really why 17 because at the end of 2017 i had lost my job which i had a great job down in sacramento as a um as a maintenance guy at apartment conflict but unfortunately though it was sold and then the people wanted to move everybody out so they can build a better apartment conflicts or new one. So once I lost my job, I kind of lost everything. I had a brand new 2016 child, the SRT. I had a wife at the time. I had the perfect life of a person that got out of prison and wanted to work and become better. At the same time, though, if you're not appreciated

of what God had blessed you to get, then it'll be taken away just as fast as you got it. So when did you, were you always searching for a way out of being homeless? I mean, how long were you actually homeless for, for a year? No, I want to say a year. I'll say probably like nine and a half months, maybe 10 months at the most. How did you hear about food on foot? Well, I heard about food on foot because I went to the library and I would always go to the little source meeting that they have there.

They give out a lot of information, so every time they had the source at the library, I would go there. And so this time here in North Hollywood, Joan was there. And she pulled me to the line. Yeah. Well, you know what we should rewind. Why don't we talk about the guy that got this whole thing started? Because he was known as the chicken man.

Yeah, that's right. This is how the, I remember the story the first time I heard the story, Jay Goldfinger. Thank you for being here, Rob. But this is a guy that used to get El Polo Loco, buy a bunch from the store, open his trunk up, and hand it to homeless people. Yeah, he did this from, you know, and somehow that organically grew into what the program is today. You know, he just saw a need for it, you know, and that's one of the most impressive thing about Jay. He saw a need and he just decided to act. It didn't really have any kind of long-term intentions, I imagine, but it just organically grew into the program and it's now feeding over

8,400 people a year. And what makes it different? You know, from my perspective, what makes it different really is just that mutual accountability the program creates. You cannot help someone without them being receptive. And the program motivates. or finds people who are motivated to turn their life around and help motivate people to want to turn their life around and then hold them accountable. There's things they have to do. We hold them accountable to certain milestone,

accomplishments that they have to reach. And then also, I honestly feel like people feel they take the program a lot more seriously and they feel more sense of pride and reward when they work for it themselves. And it's not just handed to them. If you work for something and you bust your butt and you make it happen, you're going to, you know, think twice before you let it go than if someone just hand it to you, you know. So that's probably the biggest proponent of the program

that makes it very effective. Right. And, you know, when I look at Roy, I look at someone who's always been motivated. Are you one that just throws pride out the window? You're like, whatever it takes. Yeah, I mean, pride, we all have some type of pride. But at the same time, though, pride can either help you or hurt you at the same time. Think about other people's situation and how out of being in there, then I take my own pride. I'm like, okay, how can I use this to help me to advance father now? Food on foot, you know, they use the term high functioning. Yeah.

People who are high functioning. Yeah. The government, Rob, maybe you can elaborate on this. The government gives money to people who are mentally ill, those homeless people and others, but the people who are high functioning, would you say they get lost in the mix? They call it acuity. And so there's like the high acuity are the people who are, uh, you know, have a lot of a lot of drug addiction and, you know, mental health problems as well.

And so the problem is, is that the newly homeless, and like you just heard from Roy, who said that, you know, he was only really homeless for about nine months, these are the people that are, that really kind of fall through those cracks from other nonprofit organizations and the government organizations. and what ends up happening is they get forgotten. And what happens is really they kind of slip and become chronically homeless after several years. And so what we like to do is what we say is that we catch these people before they slip into chronic homelessness, which actually saves a lot of taxpayers' money because it is a lot more expensive and a lot more difficult to rehabilitate someone once they've been on the streets for years and years and years. You catch these people before they fall into a deeper hole, so to speak. So I want to talk about how, really talking about how food on foot works.

Because I think a lot of people are listening and are going, okay, we have homeless, we have organizations that help. What does this organization do that's different from all the other organizations? And if I'm homeless, what do I do? And how does it all start? So, yeah, so there's two major parts of the program, right? So the Sunday serving program where we feed anywhere from 150 plus. people every Sunday. 8,400, like I mentioned, over the course of a year, doing the holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas, that number can easily exceed over 300. So that's one aspect of the

program. But one of the other pillars of the program is to work for food program. And a work for food program is essentially as a new participant, you come in, you start as a green shirt. You're showing that you want to be here. You're showing that you want to turn your life around. And as a green shirt, there's responsibilities that you have to perform. Part of those responsibilities is showing consecutively every Sunday, 20 weeks in a row, going through the community, picking up trash. We also give them trash routes in the morning that they have to go through and execute on the daily basis as well. So they got to work for it.

They got to work for it. What if happens if someone misses a week? Well, we'll still keep you in the program, obviously. So we're not kicking people out in the program for anything like that. But what can happen is that can add to how long or add to your how long you're going to be a gray shirt, a green shirt for. So it might keep you in the program for another week. I imagine Rob can probably tell you more about that. But you're going to have to make up for it.

Just like if you miss class, you know, you got to make up for your assignment, so to speak. And what are you doing in the morning, whatever work they give you, there's also lectures or seminars and things like that? There's also lectures or, for example, before they go for their route, they meet together. They meet with our program director, someone else we haven't mentioned, who's absolutely awesome, is Kelsey. And Kelsey, pretty much she meets with them, talk to them about, give them resources, things necessary for them to be successful. Rob can probably tell you a lot more about the resources she has to have available to them. but after after they meet talk about their week make sure they have all the necessary resources they need to continue with the program then they go on their routes and and they have to perform their routes we reward them on a weekly basis for for positive attitude we you know if you have a really positive attitude we incentivize you that behavior to continue but once you like Ralph cars things like Ralph cards bus cars it can be a car to Chipotle.

And Roy, you went through them. These are things that you did for many weeks. Yes, yes. I'd like to kind of add to that. So what we do is we operate on what we like to call as the trust first model. A lot of homeless people that are out there, I mean, they lose a lot of trust. They lose trust within themselves, but they also lose trust within other organizations that are promising to help them out.

And the reality of the matter is that there's a lot of organizations that promise people resources and apartments and a lot of other things out there. And the funding just comes really, really slowly. And we operate on somewhat of a different level because we don't take any sort of government funds and it's all independent funds. And what that really means is that we can provide high quality care without sort of bureaucratic restrictions and red tape. And so when someone needs something immediately, we can actually give it to them. And so with trust first, like I said, not only is it trust within themselves like self-esteem and confidence, which is one of the very first things that we focus on, but it's also showing participants in the program, you know, people like Roy, that they can really

trust us as an organization. Ultimately, it's the green shirt, showing motivation, showing up every day, Absolutely. Doing whatever you can. I want an apartment. I want to have a job. I want to have the life that I deserve. Absolutely. You know, it's kind of like the old saying, you know, success happens when preparation meets opportunity. You know, so they're preparing. They're preparing themselves to, you know, to like Rob said, be able to trust themselves, trust their own word, trust their own ability. And, you know, after going through that process and creating those positive habits that's probably been lacking, you know, for a period of time, then we, we, we, we see that. And once that person matures to that, you know, state, then the opportunity is that's what we come in. We provide them the opportunity to get a full-time job, a permanent housing, no roommate, fully furnished, take care of all their living expenses for a period of time until they accumulate $5,000 in savings. And then we have a graduation for them. And then at this person, you know, at this point, they're, you know, been working a full-time job now for probably

five to six months. They've been living in their own home. for a while they're they're they're they're on the right path and they have a little bit of a nest egg in in case you know emerges we all know life you know situations can happen right yeah but that's five thousand dollars that they're giving you guys checks every they give j i see the hand the checks at the end of that when they reach 5,000 boom we turn around open a savings account uh 5,000 is back to them absolutely this is your nest egg you have an apartment you have a job hey yeah and what i notice is these people that graduate they come back like roy it's always here to help I didn't know that I could survive off of $75 a week.

And now I don't even spend $75 a week. Like, my bank account, I ain't going to tell you how much in it, but it's a lot now. Like, I've been at my job for almost nine months, and I got over $10,000 in and put it that way. And I still pay my rent and pay whatever bills I have easily. People ask people like, why you haven't got a car? I said, I do got a car. I got plenty of cars. I can go get on the 12 bus, the 212 bus, the third way.

going to get on the red line. It's like, I have all this transportation here. That's how you save money. You know what I'm looking at? I'm looking at you and I'm going, this is exactly why you graduated so fast. Was he the fastest one to graduate? I don't even know that. He definitely wanted them. So once you're a green shirt, Rob, you become a gray shirt. Now, this is, this is a big, how long do people wait to become a gray shirt? So really, so the green shirt stage, like Duke was saying, is really it's a, you have to show up to the program for 20 consecutive weeks. weeks, but it's not only just showing up. I mean, it's, it's really kind of going through all of the

different workshops, which has, which, uh, the workshops, what they do is they give people, what we like to call us a life skills education. And so that's anything from like mock interview training for the jobs that we will eventually help them find, money management skills for once they start to receive those paychecks, um, and also crisis management as well, because, you know, there's a lot of people that, you know, living on the streets, there's a lot of PTSD and depression and, and just, it's just hard times, and they really need someone to talk to. And what a lot of times what people end up, what a lot of graduates and people from this program start to say is that this isn't just a program, this is a family. And this is why people like Roy like to come back. And so they really

volunteer their time and show the incoming participants kind of social proof that if they work hard and they show up to the program and they do this and that, that they, too, will be able to get a full-time job in their own apartment. And that really happens after 20 consecutive weeks. There's probably a lot of questions out there, and you guys are thinking, okay, they become a green shirt, then they become a gray shirt. But there's a lot of things that go on with gray shirts. It's not just an absolute trust, I would say.

It's more like, hey, you have to be sober for 60 days. Once you're a gray shirt, in order for you to even enter the program, they do testing. Even as a green shirt, even as a green shirt for you to enter the program, They go through drug testing. And they also do a background check, but like Rob was saying, that the background check is more based on trust. There's nothing that can stop someone from entering the program based on their background, but we want you to tell us. We want to know what's in your background, essentially. And if you're honest, then that's fine.

We can work with you. Government doesn't give you any funds, right? There's nothing. This is all an organization that just relies basically on donations and what's called the $98 club. Yeah, the $98 club program. I'm a member. And you should, too, listen to this because it's so important. You know, my whole thing is when you hear this store, it's $98 a month, when you see that this actually turns people's lives around and saves them, it's like $98, all my asshole friends, what do we do?

We go to Jack in the Box. We spend $20 a week on some crap, things that we don't need. And when you look at it and you go, wow, this could actually save someone, give someone an opportunity. change their life. It's so easy to do this. So many people you can really help. And this isn't like, again, one of those organizations that just goes, oh, give us money and you don't know where it's going to. There's so many of those, even like with the hurricanes. And it's like, oh, don't give your money to these people. You know, make sure you give it to everything goes to the people who are trying to save, you know, to change their lives. So you know, you know, and that's funny you said

that, Michael, my wife and I prior to joining, we're just, you know, once a quarter, like most, you know, people you do an audit on your finances and kind of see where you're spending most of your money and we're sitting there and we're just budgeting for you know future plans and and looking at some of our expenses and we're spending about 50 bucks a week on Starbucks you know 50 bucks a week on Starbucks and and I mean it just we just realized there's so much waste and in what we do on a daily basis weekly basis and so forth and and there's a great massive opportunity and need out there for you to, you know, be smart about your finances and give back to your community because you may not think it's going to impact you now, but in the long run, everything we do, we're all

connected. It is going to impact you eventually. And so that just motivated us. We look and we set up 98 bucks a month. This is an honor to be able to, you know, just not be so wasteful and take some of the, you know, the money that we can easily, you know, we're blowing at, you know, Starbucks and fast food and wherever else, right, and be able to use that same money to literally change somebody else's life. And I think there's a lot of misconceptions about, you know, I got here, I was, you know, somebody came up to me like, I know everything. I don't. I'm just like, I'd be coming for a couple months or whatever. And I'm like, they're like, oh, so is all the foods donated? I'm like, no. Jay, the organization buys the food. First of all, it's illegal.

If somebody got sick, they could sue El Polo or whatever. So Jay buys all the food, all the snacks. There's tons of people bringing all these clothes in. And one of the main reason is, and from my experience, from what I heard, is the reason why he buys most of the food and it's not through donations. It's nothing wrong with donation. It's just that it's not consistent. And you can't, it's not, there's no way you can hold someone accountable to donating. And like Rob stated, and what we keep repeating is this program is based on trust. The homeless community, folks, when they come here on Sunday, they are expecting a certain kind of experience and to be able to deliver that experience every single time week after week becomes, it's

probably the cornerstone of the program, I would say. And that's one of the reasons why Jay likes to maintain certain controls to be able to create the same level of consistency on a weekly basis. He really likes to see volunteers come out. He said something to me that it's sort of like when someone says, I don't think you're capable of playing on this team. You're like, what? He said something like, yeah, a lot of people who join the $98 club, they usually donate and then they never come back. But they donate, but they don't come back. And I'm glad he said that. Yeah. At first, I was like, oh, I'm going to prove him wrong. I'm going to come out here. But now after seeing your face and seeing Roy and seeing, these people are become, it's almost like,

you're right. There's like this family essence and you see something that works. And it's getting out of your own head. It's getting out of your own day. It's like going, hey, I'm going to give back. I'm going to stop thinking about my fucking self. I could say that, right? It's my podcast. But yeah, like you said, you know, the goal, the goal for someone like Roy and Eric actually graduated last week and he said something to me that was very touching you know there was times in the in through his process of demeaning a green shirt and and and trying to grow and become more and more responsible there was times where where it was trying you know he was going through adversity and he thought about quitting and a lot of these people when they come out and

they see the same faces and they're around the positive energy like roy said when he first came in you know there was like a he saw tv cameras he saw you know successful individuals you know creating you know, their own destiny and just being around that energy is a healthy environment, a healthy environment. And for a volunteer, for me, from my perspective, it helps with perspective. It gives you perspective. When you see someone, you think you're, you're having a bad day, like you said, Michael, you know, in your intro, you know, here you are, you're thinking you're having this day, you know, a woe is me. And then you come to a program like this and you see someone literally turning their life around, someone who is sleeping underneath a bridge. And, you know, and

And by the end of the day, they're checking into their apartment, you know, for the first time, fully furnished. I mean, when you go back to your situation, you have a newfound perspective on your life and the things that are important to you as well. So it's really a win-win. For each person to go through a program like this, what does the organization need to make for that one individual who graduates the program? So, I mean, the cost vary for individual, but really on average, it's about $15,000. And so it's it's the program's a nine month program. And so that really covers the like all of the workshops that our program directors do. But then also the rent that we help provide when they are in that halfway stage,

which is called a gray shirt stage. And so we we help them with their rent. We get them a monthly bus pass. We give them a cell phone, food gift cards. And then also like little things too that that they need just to really, have that confidence and survive in their job. So any little things could be like eyeglasses or haircuts or if they need work clothes for their new job or work boots. Los Angeles is a really hot city. And a lot of the apartments don't have, you know, central air. So we help people with like

AC units because, you know, people do need to sleep well and be comfortable. And, you know, and if you're running around working all day and you're super exhausted, I mean, the last thing you want to do is go home to a boiling hot room. So that's kind of how we help them out. I'm going to read you something real quick. On Tuesday morning, county officials released the results of Los Angeles 2019 homeless count according to the report, which was compiled by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, LHSA. The number of Angelenos living in tents, vehicles, and shelters increased by 12% in the county and 16% in the city since 2018 count, raising the total number of homeless Angelenos to 58,936, and 36,300 respectively.

So there's so many people around us that just need help. And why aren't there more organizations? Is that the goal? Is that the goal to get as many more food on foot out there across the country? And how hard? I mean, it's a stupid question. It sounds stupid, but like only you would know. Because like, if I'm sitting with my friends and I'm like, oh, hey, Rob, what's it like to be homeless?

I assume it's not fun. Roy, tell me how unfun being homeless is. Well, the most unfun about being homeless is the dangerous of being homeless. And what I mean by the dangers of being homeless, imagine sleeping on the sidewalk, especially by a highway, and a car lose control. Your sleep, life has ended. Imagine sleeping in the woods, snake get on you, spotted get on you, rats get on you,

somebody just happened to be walking through and might see something they won't you wakes up and fight happen like homeless is never a safe place period nowhere like people think oh yeah it's a whole group of them there all right because they're sleeping in tents no it's very dangerous i don't see people get beat up for nothing just like laying down going to sleep group of kids walked by ain't got nothing better to do high or whatever the case may be and just jump on to people start kicking them and everything I only had one goal, and that's the making off of the streets. I never thought about anything happening to him.

I never thought about what if this happened or what has this happened. I just kept faith in God that something good is going to happen to me, and I kept that faith. I never gave up hope about getting off of the streets, and that's what happened with a lot of homeless people. They give up hope about getting off of the street. In closing, I want to ask you guys a question each, all right, because I think this is important. One, Roy, what would you say to people listening right now who are doubting or thinking, oh, another organization? I don't, what would you say to them to convince them that this works?

Well, I can't really say anything that I convince them to say that it really works. What happens is, right, when your eyes see something, that's what you believe in. So if you encourage them to just come take a look at it for their self, then that's when they'll get that greater feeling like you did. Once you came, like look at you now, like you're here almost every sending like me. So that's because of you. Right. And that's the key thing about this program.

Once you see it, you can believe it your own self. Duke, where do people go to find food on foot online? www.food.org. So before, just in closing, I just want to take a quick second to acknowledge Jay Goldinger again. This guy started this program 23 years ago. He's been coming consistently every Sunday. Rain, snow, it doesn't matter. He's here on Sunday.

And it's hard to find anyone, I mean, out there with that level of persistence and perseverance to serve, you know. And he's a great inspiration in my personal, in my life, you know, just seeing what he's been able to do and what he's been able to put together and the outcome of this program. You know, Roy is a product of this program. And there's so many other names. that we can, you know, share with you that that's doing well and their life has changed because of it. This has a 85% success rate, programs, government programs helping homeless folks, 15% success rate is the

national average, you know, so 85% a success rate, it works. And when you come, you see it working before your very eyes. You see people coming in, you know, shy, timid, and blossoming into this, you know, strong, develop, confident personality. They take a holistic approach to, to changing individual life. We're not just throwing money at the problem like most organizations do. We take a holistic approach from, you know, from mentally, spiritually, physically. And I think that's what what makes the program work. So yeah, absolutely, guys.

Once again, if you're looking to be part of an organization at work, we highly, you know, invite you. We want you to go check us out, foodonfoot.org. And you're more than welcome to come see what we're doing here. Yeah. I don't know what else to say other than that. I mean, Rob, do you have anything to say? I really want to thank you, Michael, for all the hard work that you've been doing.

I mean, ever since I introduced you to Food on Foot several, I mean, I think it's been about like six months now, something like that. And you came out. I mean, I just saw how much, you know, Food On Foot has impacted you and how much you wanted to help. You know, you're always calling me up saying like, hey, I'm coming out on Sunday. I'm coming out on Sunday. I want to volunteer. I'm going to volunteer. here. Let's do it. Let's do it. And, you know, you're coming out, and then you're also

bringing your friends out as well, and you're really spreading the word. And, yeah, I mean, that's amazing. And, I mean, you're a wonderful person for doing all this and a great friend. And I just want to say, thank you. He almost made a car. He almost made a crazy. You see it? I was getting a little emotional. I was like, I can't do it right now. But I was. I was getting a little bit. There's a word that I don't use a lot because it's a big word. Altruism comes to mind.

And I look at a guy like Jay Goldinger, but he's so consumed in getting people off the streets and turning people's lives around. You know, it's one of those things where, like, I remember, I've said this before in a podcast. Remember I told you the hockey player, Mark Messier, said it's not, character is not based on

what you do in the cameras are rolling when everybody sees you. Like, hey, look, I'm feeding the homeless, man. Look, I went down. It's what you do when the cameras aren't rolling it's what you're doing when you go hug someone on the street like you said who you know is homeless and talking to him and things like that and it's just like those are the those that's humanity i thank all of you guys today roy duke rob for being here and i i just i hope people listen

and i hope eventually this gets better and better because i think you know people deserve a second chance there's a lot of people that want it and so they're relying on us as fellow human beings to sometimes step up. And like they both said, Roy and Duke said, all you got to do is come down the Schrader Street in Hollywood behind the LGBT building on a Sunday at 3 o'clock. And I think you're going to have a better, not only a better understanding, but your heart's going to be open a little more than it was. I guarantee you that. So thank you, Roy, Duke, Rob, for allow me to be inside of you today. Thank you guys for being there. This has been great. Football season is here.

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