Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Brooklyn 99’s JOE LO TRUGLIO: Emotional Endings & Taking Risk

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

Don’t miss Joe LoTruglio’s directorial debut with the horror film OUTPOST 👉 imdb.com/title/tt11573276/ The hilarious and creative Joe Lo Truglio (Brooklyn 99, Reno 911) comes back on the pod this week to talk about the incredible journey leading to Brooklyn 99’s end and the blood, sweat, and tears that went into his directorial debut with the film Outpost. Joe and I discuss working with his wife on various projects from Brooklyn 99 and Outpost and the one time Joe lost his cool on set. We go into detail about the ending of Brooklyn 99 and all of the emotions that surrounded the ending. 🔥 Bright Cellars: https://www.brightcellars.com/INSIDE for 50% off your first six (6) bottle box of wine! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I really love it. Joe La Truglio, fantastic. Just love having him on the podcast. He talks about the final season. shooting Brooklyn 9-9 really exciting stuff and he's been in a lot of other stuff you've probably seen his face and wet hot American summer what did you love mostly about this I just like his energy I like he's just a good guy he is he's just a good freaking dude and he's got some great stories and I'm really excited about his new horror movie that he's directing and we'll get into

all that so right now let's just get into it let's get inside of Joe La Truglio it's my point of You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Joe, this is a treat. It's just, you know, watching you pull up. Thanks for having me again. I love having you. And you're such a great guest last time.

And, you know, I know you've been incredible. busy dude like you're you're i i just love watching your career because i talked about this a little bit before but you're always the guy that was like oh yeah you were that you had one scene in that or you had a scene in that right yeah it was it was just kind of like you were moving and shaking and going you did the comedy truth the state and you're always and then all of a sudden things just took off yeah you know that's how these things go i again i think we touched on this a little bit uh last time is you got to find the right people you got to surround yourself with good people people that are better than you and then is that what you always do you surround yourself by better people i try to

surround myself with people that are you know more talented than i so i can raise the game i think that's the smart thing to do you know uh you know there's a mix of course there's a mix right you can't always be around people that are better but um i think it's an advantage uh and it's a it's a way to improve yourself. Yeah. Well, you know, we don't really talk about this, but you grew up in Florida. I did. I said Florida. It's Florida. You say Florida? No, I say Florida. I say Florida. I do say Florida, but sometimes I say Florida. But what was that like? Were you like a popular guy in high school? Um, no, I was, I wasn't unpopular. I was, I rode the line between being in the drama apartment, which I was and captain of the swim team, which is athletics, but it's the swim team. So

You were the captain of the swim team. Yeah, but you're a swimmer. I'm a swimmer. I was a backstroker. But because I was involved in a, I'm using air quotes, a sport, it is a sport. It's a sport I love. But in the high school vernacular, in the high school world, swimming isn't, you know, put on the pedestal. Did you shave your body?

I neared it. You neared it. I narrate it. Doesn't neer burn the skin? Does. I tried it with some of my back hair once. It wasn't the best thing. But I nared it.

Yeah. Is that for the aerodynamics? Is that it's a hydro dynamics, I guess. It didn't work. You know, it didn't, it didn't add any, it didn't take off any time. Well, you know, it's funny is I swear to God, I didn't start puberty till late. Like junior year in high school, I had no hair under my arms. So when we played basketball, because I grew up in Indiana, I didn't play basketball much.

But when we did like pick up games, I'd always fear that I was going to be not the shirts. I was going to be the skins. Oh, okay. And then one time. this guy, Mike Curry, who had armpit hair probably in fourth grade, just hairy and the Henderson's down there. I remember he looked at me, goes, Rosenbaum, you don't have any hair under your arms. Dude, are you serious? You're in high school. And everybody looked at me and I go, oh, I'm a swimmer. Oh, see, that's what I mean. Immediately it goes to, I mean, you didn't mean an

indirect way, but you lied. I lied. You know, and swimmers aren't looked upon as very valiant athletes in high school. But they're hairless, so I got away with it. You got away with it. I was on my feet. I kind of picked that up, said, I'm a swimmer. I don't have hair and people bought into it. You did it. You got by. I did. I got by. But you, so you were. So I was, I was somewhat, I was, I was liked. I was not an unpopular kid. But people, you know, it was a bit of a weirdo. I was into the mad magazine and horror movies. And, you know, I was a strange, lovely, weird kid, but it was able to get along with most. And I was funny.

That was the other thing. So, you know, that helped. And your parents were cool. They were cool. They liked what you were doing. They accepted everything they liked. Didn't they think you were weird that you were watching horror movies? No, no.

They were always very, they were very supportive. Still are. Yeah. Yeah, they were down with it. I remember, like, asking my mom, like, there's something worth me. I like blood too much. She's like, no, there's nothing weird. You just, which is to say, like, when I was watching horror movies, I loved all the

gore effects and i thought that was weird that i was just obsessed with that and i would you know and i'm like mom is there something wrong she's like no relax what is it though what is it about you and i you and me that we just you and uh is that any rabbit yeah that's um just you and i now i'm playing peaches peaches and herb i think no no i think they sing reunited seals and croft maybe i don't know maybe let's not but but with the horror movies what was it what was it what is it about horror movies that we, since we're a kid, we want to be scared. For me, it's the adrenaline. It's like going on a roller coaster and when there's a good horror movie, which there aren't good horror movies out there. There aren't very many. I get an adrenaline. I get scared.

I like getting scared. And that to me is fun. Is that what it was to you? Yeah, it was that. I think there was like the settlement of like, you're not supposed to watch this. Don't watch this. Don't do it. It'll scare you. That's, you know, it'll give you nightmares. You know, I think that was part of it. And also, you know, your kid, you want to, you want to see some, like, action and creatures and things that don't exist and get scared. I guess, I don't know. I'm, I'm literally armchair, uh, experting this. Are you? Are you? Because now you fast forward to all the stuff and you finally get to do, I mean, we'll talk about Brooklyn 999 in the final season. We'll talk about some other stuff. But like, you get to direct a horror movie. This is got to talk

about this. Is this a dream of yours to always direct this movie? It's called Outposts, and you were talking about this briefly last time. I mean, it's, it's a hard place to start. I'm, you know, to give context here, I'm just a week back from finishing this project that has been with me three years, but has really been with me, you know, you know, 37 years since I was 13 trying to make a horror movie. So, you know, there's, there's much relief that like this thing is out. it's out of me i've got i've got this you know this goal to have finally done a horror movie and directed it uh and is kind of out of my system and i feel lighter and more relaxed because you know i i i accomplished something that i've been wanting to do for a very long time so there's that

element of achievement there and then um the movie itself uh and the experience of shooting the movie is a whole other chapter of joy and, like, bonding with the people that made it. And there's a lot of emotions mixed up in just having shot this movie on a mountain, which is a very hard thing to do. And when you do something like that, after hearing so many people say no, And then you do it, you kind of feel pretty badass. You kind of feel like, well, I beat the odds. Beyond that, I beat the odds.

I got beat the odds. But like, I said what I was going to do. And you didn't think I was going to do it. And so there was a little bit of a. Ego. Yes, there's a little bit of an ego, a little bit of an ego, a little bit of a chip that, you know, I have to reel in. But it's hard because you just want to kind of show people that it can be done. you know um if you find um if you find um if you find the right people to do it with and you

really want to do it um it was just uh i was watching a documentary about this financier of he was doing like roger corman movies or i'm going to mess up the quote but the quote was something like um um movies don't don't get made because you make them they get they get made because you have a boner to make them or something like that it's like it's like it's such a hard on that I have to do something yeah yeah I messed up the quote but it's something like that's like it's good quote but it's like you know that's the only way a movie's gonna get done it's it amazes me that any movie is made at any budget like the amount of um of factors that can derail a production is endless it's just endless and anytime you know one gets made even if it sucks I'm like wow man

good for them. They made the movie. They made the movie. And you don't really understand that until you make a movie. Correct. Correct. And then you have a respect for every director who went out there and directed a movie. Not just every director, but every person that makes a movie. So whether that's from the set PA to the UPM to your second AD. And you and, you know, I was lucky enough to finance the movie partly. And once you paid your own money. Yeah. They always say don't do that. Yeah, I know. But you know what? They always say, also say like, just keep trying, eventually you'll get the money and then guess what happens? And then years go by and you don't get the money. And you're like, oh, I did the same thing.

I wish I would have done it. I put money in the money. By the way, by the way, who's going to bet on you if not yourself? Yeah. Always bet on yourself, man. Right. Like no one else is going to do it. No one else will do it. So to me, it wasn't a waste of money because even if the movie sucks, even if, um, even if it doesn't make a dime, even if I was terrible at it, I would have been like, you know what? I've been trying to figure out whether I could do this and whether I liked it all my life. And I did it and I spent a lot of money, but now I know that A, I don't want to do it anymore, or B, I suck at it or C or whatever. And that's, that's priceless. So I got that info. So to me, it was a, I was a no-brainer. That's an easy, that's an easy bet to put down because

that money is going to pay off in one way or the other, either in your, you're being able to sleep at night or for you're dead you can be like all right i did that years ago that's that's just smart payment you don't want to be 75 years old and say why didn't i do that why didn't it why was it why was i scared why did i do why was it fear based why didn't i didn't i just put some money in there because everyone said don't put your money in and then i croak i'm like oh because they said don't put your money in how much money did you pay i can't i can't disclose i can't disclose but is it is it a million dollar movie It's under a million dollar movie. Under a million dollar movie.

How many days did you shoot this movie? We shot, we had a 16 day shoot. It was an 89-page script. We averaged between six and eight pages a day. We were, it was a 16-day shoot, but we were on the mountain for seven days, and it was an hour up to the top and an hour down. So we really lost two hours every day. Did you realize that before you started in prep, and you're like, holy shit.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, we did our due diligence there. But, you know, just to brag a little bit more. and boasts is because we lost two hours for seven days, that's 14 hours we lost. We really shot the movie in 15 days. Absolutely. Just go with that.

I just want to, yeah. You did. Yeah, I mean, it was a work day. I don't know. I'm still so proud of everyone that did the movie, so I can't, you know, my DP is a friend of mine, his name Frank Barrera, and I've known him so I was 17, and he does a number of movies from budgets like this to larger ones. And we've been wanting to do a movie for a long time.

And he was with it from the get-go and we worked, you know, a year and a half on shot lists. And when we're on the plane back from Spokane, we're just kind of shaking our head saying, how did we pull that off? Because we were very lucky. There were no injuries on a mountain that was 6,300 feet out. Well, not only that, but about the weather? And there were no weather events. There were no equipment failures. There were no ego problems on set.

There were no, thankfully, no COVID outbreaks. There were nothing. And we... Boy, are you lucky. We were. We really were. I mean, you know... But you would have figured it out.

Of course. You would have figured it out if those problems did exist. You know what filmmaking is. What is it? Solving problems. Yeah. It's problem solving. It is.

Someone you have to have a boner for, as I recall a quote. That's right. It's problem solving. And also someone else, I think one of my producers said this also. It's problem solving. but also throwing a party. You got to throw a party and you got a problem solve. And you got to make sure it's a safe party.

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A lot of that happened leading up to it and the week before. Sleepless nights? Oh, sleepless nights, sleepless nights, sleepless nights. Sleepless nights. Sleepless nights. Sleepless nights. There's so many sleepish nights. So many.

Yeah, but once I was in it and started shooting. there wasn't time to get upset about anything for too long or upset about anything at all because you never lost your cool no i know i i didn't lose my cool i i don't think i mean you'd have to ask you know my lovely wife and lead pottofer and wait so the wife was a lead she was oh now come on that doesn't that had a whole thing because i know that you worked with her in Brooklyn 9-9 and you I believe you directed an episode that she was in no I didn't direct the one she was in she was in an episode we we've acted together before in in the wet hot American summer series right right right right and we work very very well together very well we

hadn't acted in you know we didn't do the actor director thing yet and but we thought we had a pretty good shot at that because of the type of people we are we're we you know beth is a incredible actor and doesn't, you know, require a lot of handholding, you know. That's good. She doesn't need to be told how great she has all the time. Well, I think every actor, including myself, loves that, needs that. How was I? Am I giving you what you want?

Yes, it's fine. I think we're all there, including me. No, but, you know, it was helpful because I had a conversation with all the actors, you know, all of whom were friends of mine, except for one. Otto Sando, who was incredible in this movie, and his vibe was incredible and got along with everyone great. But the rest of the cast, I knew well. And we had a conversation about what kind of production this was going to be, which was one that ran very fast. And because of the logistics of the production, we wouldn't really have time for a lot of takes. And so they knew that we were

going to move pretty fast. Know your shit. Hit your mark. Know your lines. Which they all did. And I said, look, you know, we're in a tight space. A lot of the movie takes place in this fire tower. It's a 12 foot by 12 foot space. There's enough room for me and the DP, who's also the operator, Frank, and the actor and like a sound person. How many cameras? Well, we used one camera, mini Alexa. However, you know, when you rent a camera, they give you another body just as a backup.

And so then we bought extra accessories to make sure at bare minimum that could work. We couldn't pull focus on it. But we, so on heavier days, we had two cameras. But in addition to that, we were shooting second unit while we're shooting our first unit. And you're trusting the other guys to do your second unit. Yes, because we had to. And also, the other guys were, you know, our second unit team was my unit production manager, Jay Smith. He was out of Portland.

And he also was a first AD and second. on other movies. And so, I'm sorry, second unit director on other movies. So he became like a point guy. But our main guy was this great camera operator out of Spokane named Deshaun Bedford. And he would be running B camera on the days we would run two cameras. And then on the other days, he would go out with a different camera, either the mini Alexa if we weren't using that, or the Black Magic 4K, and he would do other second unit stuff. Panasonic GH5. Now I'm really kind of listing all the, this is the nerdy stuff. Yeah, exactly. All the equipment stuff. Stuff you're learning along the way.

We had a lot of cameras because we didn't want to miss anything. We didn't have a lot of time. Is it, is it a scary movie? Is it psychological? Is it, is it paranoid? It's got to be, is it bloody? Yeah, there's gore in there. It's, I think it's a pretty scary movie. We'll see. I mean, there were, you know, it's about, it's about a woman who experienced this violent assault and she goes to, to a look at. tower to, you know, try to get her life back in order, get some peace of mind and isolation, but the PTSD and the isolation does not give her the self-recovery that she was hoping for and it kind of spins her out. So it's a, the movie's a lot about, you know, seeing things that aren't there and what's real, what's not, and mainly what happens when you don't get help for a traumatic event that you can't handle on your own. better help online therapy that's exactly what you do brought to you by better i'm telling you they're

one of our sponsors but you know that's true when you when you don't get therapy when you don't work your demons out yeah these things happen yeah and that's what happens to her in this movie yeah i mean there's it goes over a lot of mental illness in this movie for sure did you deal with mental illness as a child or have family members that dealt with it um no i mean i you know i have levels of like OCD, but nothing that I didn't suffer from depression or anything like that. You've never suffered from any kind of depression, really? I've been depressed for sure, of course. But situational depression. Yeah, yeah. It was, I was never too anxious. I feel I'm more anxious now that I'm older than I remember being as a kid. What is that? Why does this happen? I think because you just have more

to lose. I mean, the stakes are higher. Why? I think you know more about the world. on how terrible it can be. How many awful things are in it and how many incredible things are in it too. But, you know, you're just like, man, you know, a lot of the randomness, I think, can bring anxiety to people. That's true.

You know. But that's what happens. It seems like the older I get, the more anxious, I get the more I care. And I'm like, why do you care so much? When you were younger, you didn't care so much. You weren't stressed as much. Yeah.

You just kind of filled your days with fun and work and just went with the flow. Yeah, well, it was easier to be in the moment then, right? Do you, when you're working with your wife, and we'll move on here, but when you're working with your wife, is there any times where she's like, Joe, Joe, I get it, I get it, I get it, or you have those moments, and do you talk about these moments before they happen, like, look, we're working close together, I'm directing you, I'm going to say things, you're going to get mad at me, I want more, I want more, and I'm your husband, and this

is going to be odd. Yeah, we did talk about it, and, you know, we got through it, there was only one episode. It was totally my fault, and I did. I didn't lose my cool, but the, you know, it was in the first two, one or, maybe it was day three. And we were at the end of the day. And it was completely unprofessional on my part. But I'm going to come clean because this is what this podcast is about. We're getting inside of me.

Come clean, please. I'm going to come clean. And, you know, it was. And by the way, I'll tell you if it was your fault. No, it definitely was my fault. And, you know, as, you know, she asked, as any act would do, she's like, what? you know what am i what's what's my action here what am i supposed to be doing exactly and i thought it was kind of obvious what she was supposed to be doing and i was also it was a long day i was a little

stressed um and i said your action is we have 15 minutes to get this shot and then it's the end of the day and i was very mortified and ashamed and she's like okay and and and then she did the action and it wasn't what I it wasn't right because I didn't tell her what to do and we had to reset this kind of big thing it was totally my fault and she was so annoyed it had every right to be with me but I I effed up for sure in that moment but I will say that that really was the only moment like that throughout the whole show where I and because I've learned the lesson I'm like just learning a lesson early I learned it early and I learned it early and And, you know, and it was during the big climactic scene at the end and there were certain, you know, pacing of action that I needed and I just wasn't clear.

And anyway, so that was the lesson learned. And other than that, we were, we were spot on, fantastic. I love working with her. And it was great because, you know, I wrote the role with her in mind and I knew that she had all the levels to play it. And then, then watching her do it, I'm like, man, there's still more there that I didn't even see. She was terrific in it. How many years ago did you write this script? I broke the story.

Broke the story. In the spring of 2018, in like March of 2018. Oh, so this happened pretty quickly. Within three years, you make a movie. That's rare. It's rare. And you know what? I was, to show you how, like, out of touch with reality, I was.

I was like, I'm going to write it in March. And then this summer, I'm going to shoot it, like the summer of 2018. Like an idiot. Like, I just, I'm going to. patient person by nature. I want to do it now. We got to do it now. I've always that's been my burden. The cross that I have to see. And you have a child, Eli, and you can't be, you have to learn patience, don't you?

Oh, I'm telling you this is going to be his great lesson to me. I have to learn it now. And that's always been a stick in the mud for me. And I learned it on this project for sure, even though, as you say, three years is no time from, you know, conception to, you know, end of production to get something. Dodgeball took 12 years to make. No one would buy it.

No one would make it. Is that right? Something like 12 years. Did you hear that, Ryan? I never heard that. Yeah. Something like 12 years. So even the funny movies, the hit movies, they take a long time to make. And like you said, you got to have a boner for it.

You have to say, I'm making this fucking movie. Yeah. I'm making it. And you made it. I'm so, I'm proud of you. Thanks, man. It's such an achievement. Nobody could take that away from you that you, that you went and made it.

a movie. I had a lot of, I really did have a lot of support and a lot of friends like yourself and others that you know that have been like, you're going to do it, dude. You'll get it done. And it was nice to hear that. Did you other friends like the guys from the state who have been your friends since New York University back in the day, who then you went on to do Wet Hot American Summer and tons of, Stella shorts and tons of, did they ever get jealous that, oh, he's the one who got the hit show in Brooklyn Nine-99? Oh, he's the one who's going to direct a movie. Where's our roles? We gave him these roles in Wet Hot. You know, what do you mean? you don't know. Because I, one, I don't, one, I don't think so. They're all doing incredibly well.

I know. Like, it's not like, you know, they're doing, they're all so amazingly talented. Again, this gets back to, like, surrounding yourself with people that are better. And, you know, look, jealousy is something we have all, that's a, that's a dirty-eyed monster. It is. We've all dealt with that. Yeah, we have. Brooklyn 9-9. I mean, how many seasons is this now? on august 12th the eighth season will be premiering on nbc and i'm really excited and it's it's strange coming out of something as personal as outpost um the horror movie into this other incredibly impactful uh and ginormous part of my life that's changed my life brooklyn nine nine finally coming to its eighth season like this season has been in the making for like almost two years

like almost two years and it's got so many things have happened in the world our writers have had to rewrite this season at least three times based on just COVID and Black Lives Matter and all these important things and then George Floyd and then some other stuff happened with and so it was It's just an endless. That's their commitment to getting it right and making it funny is just so impressive to me. I would, I get back to patience. I wouldn't have the patience for it. I'm like, oh, enough.

Just, NBC, just take these. We did this a year ago. Well, they'd love to show that much that they rewrote the entire season. They really did. How many episodes? We did 10 episodes. And you're done. This is it, unfortunately, until, you know, whatever reunion happens, which I'm sure it will at some point.

but how emotional is that for you on your last day of shooting very vividly yeah very vividly it was uh you know all day is filled you you get to the lot and all day it's just filled with anticipation everyone knows that it's going to end today and so all the scenes that you're doing there's kind of like you're trying to be present but it's really about like soon the final scene's coming up the final scene is coming up the final scene is coming up the thing. It's going to come up. And so, you know, it was truly great to have everyone there and feel that out. And then then that scene comes. And, you know, I can't give any of it away, but I'll say that it was very difficult for the eyes not to stay wet during the scene. Because

the scene is very close to what was happening in real life. And, And there was just this palpable, like, pulsating in the room. So during the shot, there's, like, this moment. During the scene, there's this moment. And we're all making eye contact. And it's truly, oh, I get emotional thinking about it. It was so intense. And then it ends.

And, you know, the way it really sank in is, like, before the take started, our, one of our crew members I could also tell you like the emotion on you that you're just I could see you how you're going back there I'm going back in it trying to resist let it go our yeah our our AC Chris

you know hits the clapstick and you hear you hear our director Claire Claire Scanlon directed the last one and she's like you know it's like Phil widened out you know to to get like the wide you know shot um and you know chris is he's like 9-9 forever slaps a stick and and 99 forever is that the only time he said that that's the only time that was sad yeah

99 forever and you know on a clapstick on the slate and uh and everyone's like here we go and so you know we run we run it for a long time we don't really um we don't really cut a lot we're just like rolling and rolling and rolling so we knew this is it like before the cut for you hear cut that's what you would hear that's how they would do it right and I should blow your ears out sorry that we knew

this was going to be it so anyway that happens you know we do hear cut there's this big exhale and roar and clap and applause and hugs but quick hugs because it's COVID

quick hugs with six foot long arms right and um we all go outside you know um because there's going to be a nice um there's a podium out there and everyone is six feet apart and listening to our dpric page and our creator dan gore and just say a few words and then the thing i was most not prepared for was uh you know when they wrap you out as an actor and you're they're just going up the call sheet you know and they're like joel mckinan miller that's a that's a series rap on joel mckenin miller and everyone's just like oh no and i i was just not i couldn't keep it together once they got to me i'm you know you were gone oh i was i lost it i was just like you know you hear your name

you know said for the last time on a show that has brought so much you know wealth and joy wealth i say that financially and emotionally and spiritually to your life that and that you're so grateful you're just filled with this gratitude and you can't believe it's over and you know you're going to still be in touch with with everyone but it'll be different you know we're not going to see each other every day and all of that heaviness all that truth is just coming down it's just raining on you're like oh you're like just got to you're just trying so you really lost it you're like really crying yeah yeah absolutely yeah were there anyone who it was like it was sandberg emotional everyone was emotional everyone there wasn't one person who was kind of stoic everyone who was happy that it

was fucking over maybe andre brower he was like yes no no no everyone everyone in their own way like you could read their eyes like it wasn't all tears but by body language or just their look or how i mean every everyone you felt knew the magnitude of the end and what was really nice is that you know after that happened a few of us put our mass back on and we went into the bullpen for the last time and we went out on the kind of rooftop the fake rooftop out there and just reminisced a little bit in a quieter area you know it wasn't the everyone it was just the cast and a couple of the writers and we just talked about, you know, favorite episodes and memories. And it was a beautiful. And we finally left around 10 p.m. where we knew that you walked off the set. And then that was it.

The pneumatic drills were going to be heard in the morning. Everything was coming down. Taking her apart. It was all going to go down. You're looking at it for the last time. And you're just like, wow, this place is forever in my head. And I hope that all the moments that I had over the past eight years are in a secure place up in the, up in the nagon that I can remember because this is it. All this tangible stuff that goes away tomorrow, morning. That's it. And it was intense, man. Did you cry to your wife? Oh my God. I came home and I literally collapsed into Beth's arms. and like literally hitch sobbed like just got it I was like it was out

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I mean, when you rewind and you go back to the first day on set eight years ago, do you ever, I mean, because no one ever thinks this is going to last eight seasons. No way. You're like, I'm lucky to be here. We think as actors, we're going to be fired tomorrow. Right. this is it they're going to see the dailies

they're going to find out the truth they're going to find out the truth we always do that I mean so you had no thought of like this there's something special here when did it click that this is special um you know I

we we uh how I put this because I no one knew it was going to go eight years I'll say that I knew you know from having been part of um other great collaborations where the cast clicked that I knew it was going to be fun and I knew it was going to be good. That I knew.

So I knew that. I didn't know if it would be good with the audience if people would like it, but I knew it would be something we'd like, we being the cast and friends of mine that are like-minded. I don't think it became something special really until we got canceled and picked up. I mean, I feel like that's when for me the kind of- When was that season six? that was after season five after season five so once that happened i felt that the show took on kind of a mythical new chapter of this this phoenix that was raised from the ash and that became the story of brooklyn nine nine because you know we were all over the news and you know more people were suddenly in tune and aware of this the show than it or they had ever been when it was on the air

And so that's for me, I think, when you saw the power of the people that watched the show, of the fans of how important it was to them, and how five years of what we were trying to do, which was not like, this is how it should be. It's more like, wouldn't it be great if it was like this, the police force, you know, and that's always been the approach that that resonated with a lot of other people. people that whether I don't think anyone really believed it could be that but um they believed in the desire for it to be like that and I think that was very powerful for a lot of people wow I mean when a show is canceled I've never been on a show that was even reconsidered like you know you get canceled smallville get canceled never got canceled okay so I mean if something gets canceled 99.9% of the time it's done yeah yeah you know sometimes they go oh well let's shop it around other networks it never happens name name three shows that it's done yeah it's

happened you just can't really do that it happened with scrubs did it happen with scrubs did it happen with scrubs did it have happened to abc yeah yeah but that was after like eight that was after like eight or nine season it was like the tail end of it right right i think it happened with happy endings right i can't but happy endings didn't last that may it didn't but i thought that might have jumped too but to be canceled in the fifth season to your point yes not not often it doesn't really were you like this is done you never thought in a million years this is going to get picked up again oh yeah we i was i was um yeah i was i was moving on and um uh not celebrating is not the right word but i was kind of with friends and you know raising a glass to what great things that the show

had brought and to be grateful and everything ends and you know and then suddenly it was alive well i know how you think because i think that way but when the show is over now after eight seasons and it's about the premiere, of course you're thinking about your next job now, right? Well, yes, although, you know, I've, I knew that this year was going to be completely committed to outpost that I didn't really think too much about what's next because the movie was so important to me, but also, I don't know, I was just hoping that and still do that, you know, I've, I've put a, I got a pretty good foot in the door now. after a show like Brooklyn 99 and part of me was worried that like hey man you're gonna lose your

heat hey man you got you got you got you got you got you got you got you got to lose your heat and then that I kicked that voice out out of my head pretty quickly um but yeah I don't I honestly don't know what my next job is are you doing a Reno 911 oh man you want to hear something really sad yeah is that I mean I mean I know you don't want to hear something sad I they're starting shooting today Um, on, uh, and you just couldn't be there. I couldn't be there because I'd jump into my edit tomorrow. I thought you're going to say because of the podcast. You really, really ruined the whole fucking thing, man. I, I'm doing, really blew it. I'm doing your podcast. Tom, Ben Carey. But you're working on the movie. So you have a certain, like, when you're done with

a movie, you have like a couple of weeks of editing and, uh, sounds like a month like, right. So you couldn't do it. And they wanted you to do it. Of course. And I wanted to do it. They were so spectacular. And, um, here's the connection there. So, our DP, my DP, Frank Pereira, also is shooting Reno. So Frank went, you know, to Idaho and did outpost with me on this mountain, this crazy shoot, rested for a week. We just got back a week ago, and now he's jumping in to do Reno. How do they do that?

Talk about a hero. Talk about an MVP. How do they have the strength to do that? Well, he's incredible. He's just truly, he's just great. And he's going to crush it on Reno, too. And he had shot the last season of Reno as well. when the one that I was on the season eight I think or maybe season seven whatever the last one was

but they're doing a movie now and I miss those guys so much and the whole gang I mean we had such a blast when we did the show on the now defunct quibby but now but those I think those episodes are now being redone to premiere on somewhere else do you want to jump on another series would you rather continue doing movies would you what is it do you want to do it all I here's what I'd like to do, Rosie. I'd love to do a show for a few months a year and make a little bit of money and then just finance my movies. Because you know what was really nice is being able to hire who you want and being in charge in a way. You like being in charge. Yeah. You like being in control because in a lot of ways your whole life, not to say you haven't had control, but you're, the studio is

is, you know, hanging over me. Yeah, they're the money people. Yeah, they're the money people. Oh, you want me to do this movie? You're the boss. I'm just the guy who's coming on the show. Oh, it's always like that, but this.

And that's okay. I mean, I like doing that too sometimes. But like for, at least for this first movie, I'm like, if it's going to be my first, maybe only one, who knows how it's going to turn out, I got to fail my own way. Like, if it's going to not work, I got to make sure it's because of me

and not because someone else was, you know, making creative decisions that I'd disagree. agreed with. And so that was a big plus. But it was also nice just to get to understand low budget filmmaking. And like you see behind the curtain, you get, you peek under every rock. You understand every dynamic, every person that has to be hired to make this movie. And how one person can bring the whole ship down if they're bad or if they're not doing their job.

I mean, we were lucky. It was just me and two other people financing this movie. people so it was nice three human beings not this like all right so 350,000 dollars you spent on this movie no I'm not going to go there but it was nice to have um you know a smaller investment group sure as well anyway I mean I um I learned a lot on this well let me ask you this you're not going to dictate based on this movies the outcome of this movie let's say outpost hopefully it's a it's a smash hit It's great. It gets received well.

But you're not going to make a decision on directing again and doing another movie if the movie just doesn't do well in his career. You don't like it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think, you know, I think I'm going to, I loved doing this movie. You loved it. I loved it. So I definitely want to do it again.

And we're just going to see whether I really will. The only way I'm going to do it again is if I do pay it for it because no one's going to give me any money. Or whether it's different, whether like, hey, that was great. Yeah, well, hope you finance this movie. I just, I had a great time, man, and I want to work with those people again, as well as old friends that I have worked with for a long time. I just, it was a very rewarding experience, and I can't wait. What a, what a year.

I mean, it's the last season. You go through this emotional wave of, a wave of emotion through Brooklyn 999. You direct your first feature that you've been wanting to do, that's your passion. You've loved horror movies since a kid. You direct this movie. Now you're going in a post. I mean what the probably the biggest year of your life in a lot of ways in many ways yeah yeah well it was going to be yeah I knew it was going to be a pretty big year with the ending

of Brooklyn I-9 and an outposts finally happening for sure what was your uh look Ryan was a big fan of Brooklyn 9-9 yeah how many episodes did you watch all of them you've seen every one of them yeah what's your favorite one um I don't know but I can remember like the specific bit that got me into it was when you dropped the muffin oh yeah the funniest things I'd seen that year It was just, it was just like a really, like, funny, like, just the way you said, I don't know, it's like something about the way you said muffin. I'm a muffin in my head. Yeah. But, yeah.

He slams his head into a counter. It's great. Thanks, man. I was sent, someone sent me a video of their, like, four-year-old child. It might have been David Minor or maybe his granddaughter. I can't remember. Anyway, I digress. But this toddler was imitating that moment.

And it was the most adored. And she wasn't really doing it. She was just kind of like. there was a pillow and she'd do a pillow and be like my head my my my muffin my head my muffins she just got back and forth that it was the most adorable thing it was it was really well done it was really really happy to see it yeah uh this is called uh shit talking with joe i'm gonna this is terrible at this this is great these are just from uh these are just from fans my patrons my level patrons oh oh nice who uh if you want to join patron patron dot com slash inside of you but

they have questions okay emily s what was your favorite episode So to film in Brooklyn 9-99-9. You know, that's very hard. There's 153 of them. Right, but you have to remember that most of them I've forgotten. Okay, so those weren't the ones. No, I'll say, yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry, Emily.

There was a lot. Well, this season, I can't talk about this season. There's a bunch this season that I'm really excited about. That's not helpful. Some of your favorite stuff. Some of my, yeah, honestly. like there's some great great very fun episodes um in this upcoming scene when was it did you think that they're like not to say you weren't funny but joe letruglio we got to give him more and more when did

you see that start to happen oh wow i mean was it from the bat or do you think they really started building your character more as the seasons went on i tell you um soon as i saw that i was not number one on the call sheet i had an issue and i was it was for it was an uphill battle for from that point saying, listen, man, number six need some bits. Number six need some bits. That does happen. That does happen. You know, and so that's when they knew, like, oh, boy. Oh, we're in for it. We're in fire. As Steph A, who will you, this is a tough question. I don't think you'll answer it honestly, to be honest with you. What's the funniest? No, I can't. Who will you miss most from Brooklyn 9-9?

I can't answer that. Can you name the top two? I can, no, I can't. No, I can not. But you do have someone in your head that you will miss the most. In your mind? that you won't say i have like i have like as soon as one comes into my head another three like pop i'm like oh man you know and it's not a fair question it's it's a hard i could tell you who i miss the most and i left my show yeah who i'm going to talk about it yeah it's hard right it is hard yeah no i think um i miss my my makeup artist oh that's nice to say she was always she was like my mother i saw i was with her hours you know putting the makeup on and all the stuff and like you know the head stuff yeah i just remember like i'm gonna miss her

i'm gonna miss her the most because i spent the most time with her and she she knew my whole life she was like fan she was a really family yeah but cast members that's that's difficult we we all got so tight i mean we we really did i mean you know there's some that i will see more than others because you know like terry's very busy andre's on the you know east coast um but andy and step and and Melissa and Chelsea, I feel like I'll see those guys. Leanne P., you know, she knows that you're directing a horror movie.

As a horror film, psychological thriller movie fan herself, she was wondering what some of your favorite horror films were. Ah, that's a great question. Well, I'll lead with the brood, David Cronenberg. Yeah.

That's my favorite. Wow. And I love all his stuff. How about the movie to your right? We just talked about, underrated movie. Oh, well, Return of Living Dead. I love that movie, too.

I love the humor in that movie. You know, you got a lot in here, Rosie, that I love. The thing is up there for sure. You know, the Outpost was, there's a few movies that influenced that. Repulsion was one of them, The Shining Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 78. Look at you, going deep. Amityville, Amityville Horror, 79. A lot of zooms in that one.

Yeah. And that house. I miss those old zooms. Did you do some of that in yours? They're coming back in Alps. post yeah thank god i love those i love the whole you know the pans and the the the uh the tilts and the zooms and the you got all of them we got all the t's we got the peas we got disease baby they did it a lot in the old 70s and 80s they had they took their time with it um the chief wants to know

the funniest shenanagan off camera moment on the set of super bad do you remember anything really funny happening on super bad i mean you weren't you were there a bit how i was there a bit um man gosh it's been a while it's been a while like we we had a lot of I just remember

it was very chill that set I had just that's where I met Bill Hader for the first time and what a genius he is he is when he does that impression

from Dateline Keith Morrison uh huh oh it just kills me he's great I met you know I met really all those guys there I had known the director Greg Matola

We had traveled in the same circles when we lived in New York in the mid-90s. Yeah, I remember that I was super nervous because there was going to be a lot of improv in the scene where I hit Jonah Hill with the car. You know, that whole, that whole scene is just like, I don't know, maybe it was like maybe a half a page or maybe a page of dialogue. And there was just, you know, Jed, I wanted to keep us going. and Greg, going to keep us going. And, you know, I was just motor mouth because that was a lot of just nerves. Luckily, it came out funny.

That was fun to do. I mean, that scene was great. What about when it doesn't come out funny? Does the director say, hey, yeah, get rid of all that stuff? No, I think they just know the director would be like, well, I'll cut that. But, you know, you don't, you know, I think directors probably shouldn't be like,

That wasn't funny. Don't do that. Or that didn't work. I mean, people say, yeah, yeah, hey, let's try something different. Let's try something different. That's what you say. You say, you say, all right, great, we got that, you know. Look at the big director over here.

We got that. That was great. That was great. Great jobs. You're a liar. Nice. You're a lying director. No, no, we did get that, though.

We did get it. I remember, I watched a guy that I knew, a guy that I knew years ago. there was a guy that I traveled in the same circle with. He was a friend, but not a friend, but kind of a friend. Friend enough where I had to not lie to him. And he went up and he did stand up. And it was just

horrendous. It was a failure. And he was toned up. He didn't really get it. Like he didn't, and comes off. He's pretty happy. He's like, yeah, man. What do you think? I just held, took a beat and went like, man, you really went for it with a big smile.

like and he did and that's what i did and he's like yeah yeah that was that's a positive way to approach it because some people some actors yeah if you approach them with like yeah that's your energy's completely wrong everything's and some directors don't give a fuck they'll say that i did i did uh this really it's a funny story uh to my dear friend kemerino um who he's gonna be on the podcast oh great can's well you have to ask him about this okay so so he gets this pie this is like in 96, 97. And, you know, we'd done the state, but no one really knows where we got this pilot. And I went to go watch it, like live. It was like, I think Mark Ruffalo was in it too. It was like the great cast. And I was in the audience. I could have to believe I did this.

And just know when I did this, know that it really was coming from a place of like wanting, trying to give notes. So he's on the soundstage. I am, you know, in the bleachers that they have in the sound stage you've been there but for those that don't know you know they they bring a bunch of people in and you watch this live taping it's a three camera show and you know they do a scene and then they're like cut and then they kind of move stuff around in between takes you know the actors if they want could go up to the bleachers and you know talk to their friends or parents so ken looks over after a take and he kind of does like you know shrugs his shoulder and looks at me like like like how to do like you know hands out like what do you think and i i can

I go and I and I I tell my I give like an with my hand like an okay I'm trying to describe for the listeners like an okay with the hand

not an okay sign like like what would you call like you tilt in the hand up there like eh like this but then I go then I then I turn like I'm turning a knob

no no turn it up so I turn the volume like signal turning the volume dial and then giving a thumbs up like turn it up basically it was okay turn it up and his face

his face was like what? Like he was not ready to kind of hear you know nothing other than like great man all good. Was he mad? He wasn't mad I think he was like oh okay

okay like I don't know it was really like of course he was terrific but I just wanted I guess 97, 1997 Joe wanted more at the time out of Ken Marino for that take. I guess he just, he could have given a little bit more, you know. Could you imagine that? That is hilarious. You imagine your friend.

You invite your friend for support. And you're like, listen, come on. And you're like, hey, turn it up a bit. Come on. You can do better. Better than that. Bigger, bigger is better. You have to ask them about it.

Yeah, remind me of that. Oh, my God. What a treat. You know, and I love you, man. Sebastian wants to know the part you play was it specifically written for you. The high-pitched voice still kills him today. Oh, thanks, Ryan. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. Sebastian. Sebastian. What did you say? I said Ryan. Oh, that's right. We're sitting next to me. Thanks, Sebastian. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, Alan. Anyway, no, it was not written for me. That was just a choice that John Hamburg had for the character.

How many choices do you think you make on average that you improvise something and it gets in? I would say per scene I'd probably make about, about 89 choices per scene. And the first 40 are within the first V lines. And then, you know, the rest, you'll get about 20 when there's, I'm not talking, I'll make 20 choices with my face that you wouldn't be able to tell. But I'm making them. And then the last part is where their choices really come into play. Really?

I close with about three choices at one time. Do you ever, while you're on set, whether it's Brooklyn Nine or whatever, do something and you're like, I just, I was not great in that scene. Yes, often. And they move on? Yeah. Yeah. A couple times I've done like, well, we didn't get that.

But we're going to move on. And I'm not that proud of that. And it was because I had only made 50 choices that time and not the 89. Do you say that out loud? Like, do you ever mention that or you just move on? You don't ever like comment on. You're like,

well, we're going to move on, but I wasn't good. So. Yeah. Yeah. People, they'll move on to like,

you know, the kind of break room set and also being in the bullpen being like, well, didn't get that one, guys. Swung and missed on that one, guys. Like, Joe,

come on in. We got to, you know, do a quick blocking rehearsal. Yep. Didn't get it. You're supposed to nail that one. Still, still thinking about the other scene.

I've done that before. I had nightmares about a scene. They're like, why did I do it like that? Why didn't I have more confidence? Why didn't I? Yeah. Do you ever feel like that? Like, all of a sudden, your confidence level for one scene's down than it was up on another?

Yeah, often. Usually after lunch, my confidence is down. You're tired. You had too much parmesan. Yeah. I just got up from a nap. I'm like, oh, man, where's my espresso, you know? Well, this is a treat.

Listen, I love having you on. I'm glad you came on. I'm so excited to see. You know, I'm a big horror movie, man. So if you ever want to screen it in the basement here, if you ever want to, like, if I can come to a screening, I'd love to. Absolutely. Whatever you need for me.

Thank you, man. I'd love to come back and talk about it more once we're done if you want. I would love that. I cannot wait to see it. Thanks, man. I mean, people don't realize what it takes to make a movie and a low budget movie, under a million dollars, and you're shooting up in the mountains, and, you know, you make your dreams come true.

And I love seeing you make your dreams come true. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Ryan, you got anything you want to say to Joe? No, thanks. Just for being around. Thanks, man.

I enjoy watching you and stuff here. It's always a real trick. Well, Sebastian, it was nice sitting next to you. Oh, yeah. Thanks, God. I love you, man. Thanks for allowing to be inside of you. Thanks, man.

All right, buddy. Bye. There you go. Wonderful man. I wish him the best in all his endeavors. and Brooklyn 9-9, the final season. Make sure you watch it, tune in. Thanks for staying here with us.

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Because you have some good conversations, some deeper conversations that sort of go beyond just acting or show business. Like, you know, it starts there, but it always, you know, because that's some interesting stuff. That's the juicy stuff. But then you get into some real talks and they can offer you some insight on how people live. It might help you.

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