Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Bruce Campbell Returns

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

What better way to rebound from Halloween than with the man himself, Bruce Campbell (Evil Dead, Ash vs. Evil Dead). Bruce joins us this week and sheds light on the idea of his “third act” in life and how much it differs from his early Hollywood pursuits. We also get into some reflections on the Evil Dead franchise, his state of burnout during Ash vs. Evil Dead, and moments of rage/ frustration while shooting on set. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know, that's the Gator. That's the ESPN guy. That's the ESPN guy. Inside of you is brought to you by. Then if Harry Carey, yeah. Inside of you is brought to you by. Who else could we do? Inside of you is brought to you by.

We could just mix it up every week. You could. You've got a deep bench of impressions you can pull out. Yeah. What do they call that? It's a bench. It's what you have on the bench. Yeah.

Okay. Got the reserves. Bullpen. You know, this was just a frankly a crappy Halloween. I mean, I did the Halloween Zoom nights. Mm-hmm. But you know Halloween's not the same when you're resharing pictures from last year or years before on Facebook of, oh, look how Halloween was.

We were all together. Yeah. Where? Yeah. I know you like to dress up. Just in general. I mean, you know, in Halloween, an Halloween. Yeah, and we had a busy Halloween last Halloween.

It was great. Multiple parties and it was just the complete opposite this year. Yeah, you know, I have to say, there's part of me that just, there's no more FOMO, you know, I don't feel that. So it's like, yes, I don't have to go to Jennifer's party in Burbank. And I don't have to go to this celebrity thing where I'm going to be uncomfortable and have to take a crap, you know. So there's a goodness to that. But then I get, you know, I'm mostly home. So I'm watching these movies with the guys.

We Zoom and I've gotten accustomed used to just, you know, here's what we do. If you guys ever want to try this, it's fun. You watch a movie with friends over Zoom, right? So there's 10 people on a Zoom. I invite everybody they come on. And then I go, go 10 seconds into the evil dead. And like, does everybody see where it says technicolor right when it fades to black paws? And then I say one, two, three.

three watch and we play play on watch and we're all watching it and kind of commentating and you know sometimes i'm mute people if i'm really getting into a movie but it's fun to just joke around you know hearing my buddy john heater name drop it john going whoa that was rad you know so that's a fun thing to do sue thank you you're welcome is what i meant you're welcome uh thanks for everybody who attended the stage it last week we had a great show if you don't know what it's about uh i play music and we had an album last year and now rob dancing my buddy and I we have an album that we're working on and we do these live stages once a month at the end of every month and it's a it's an event it's a all my

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see if you like it I think you will next week is already this week's already exhausting because right now if you're listening which you might not be. This election might be over. You might be going, hey, so right now, it's November 3rd, correct? Correct, but it's not over on November 3rd.

Right, it goes. It's just the deadline. Yeah, who knows when it will end? Yeah, who knows? I mean, more people than ever turn out, it's... That's the one thing that's promising, that people actually care. You know, anybody out there who just is going to bitch and moan and complain about things and they don't vote, it's like, what are you doing? You don't get the bitch.

No. You vote. You vote. Oh, this sucks. I'm like, okay, vote. I don't want to vote. All right, well, shut up. You know?

I don't want to say anything else other than, you know, I started seeing a new therapist. Not a new therapist, but a psychiatrist. And I really like the guy. And we're starting a new thing and figuring some stuff out. I'm optimistic. So anybody out there who feels like they're, you know, the world is on their show. shoulders and they just feel like just weighed down and you're anxious try i don't know man see a therapist it really does help and when you find the right one it makes it all worth it it really does because you'll go

through someone's you're like i went through one guy his name was john or so i don't even remember his name i remember i'm sitting there and he's just eating a subway sandwich and he has in socks he's wearing socks and eating a subway and i was he's like oh i'm sorry you know i'm just hungry you mind if i eat i go not at all i just could not Stop focusing on this guy in his dirty socks and his subway sandwich. I'm like, this is our last session, man. This is our last session. I just watched Texas Jane saw Masker again and amde of a horror.

And boy, those, those are fun. Texas really is freaking, if you haven't seen it. I'm not going to see that. Yeah, you won't see it. It's in the title, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it's creepy.

You know, I'm looking right now across from me is an evil dead poster signed by Bruce Campbell, who's our guest today. Bruce is a good buddy of mine. He was on a show that I was released. They let me go. The show never got picked up, but they still were like, hey, we got picked up for five episodes, but we got to let you go. They want to recast the part and, you know, whatever, revamped the character.

And I was like, oh, and Bruce was on the show. And Bruce was the first one that texted me. He goes, hey, bud, hope you're well. This show doesn't know what the hell it is anyway, and I doubt it's going to even air. So you probably dodged a bullet. Then I got him past her, which, you know, but he was so kind. And then we ended up getting high one night and riding bikes around the reservoir. And he would just stayed in contact.

He said, get your ass out here. You know, him and his girl are in Oregon or something. Yeah, they're in Oregon. Yeah, wherever. He talks about it, I think. Deep and no reception, Oregon. Deep in Oregon. No reception, Oregon, just FYI.

So if it's a little glitchy on the video. Yeah. Yeah. Stick with it, though. It was pretty good, though, right? Oh, it's great. Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, listening is fine, listeners, but...

Watching's not fine? Watching's fine, too. Yeah, I think watching, I think it's... Watching Bruce, he's just so animated. You have to watch him. If you're listening, you've got to go back and watch because he's just such a character. He brings out a present at the end that you've got to see.

He has a little thing that he's got a story about. Oh, yeah. Yes, that he does. That he does. So watch it. We've got a big one next week to announce, guys. The Justice League Unlimited Reunion. That's me and the unlimited cast.

if you liked the animated series, but it's just a bunch of great actors and I wrote a little funny script about Batman and Flash and they all go to the mall and they acted out. They were all good sports and they acted out and they also got personal.

A couple of them, like Carl Lumley lost his wife. At one point George talks about losing his father and so it's a great episode coming up. So please subscribe, by the way, if you haven't subscribed Inside of You at Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook and at Inside of You podcast. on Twitter. It really helps. I see the numbers going up and tell your friends, email them,

and just continue to do the show and hopefully more and more people listen. And I'm glad you do. And I hope you enjoy this one. This is one of my good buddies. And thanks for signing the poster, Brucey. Hey, Rosie Pants, stay groovy or try. Ash, Bruce Campbell. Let's get inside of Bruce Campbell. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How are you, bud? You look good. Hey, whatever. Hanging out in Oregon. Mine of my own. The great state of Oregon. You love Oregon. Do you know any pictures I have that you've sent me saying, jealous? Yeah, well, get your ass up here and you won't be jealous anymore.

You'll understand the need for Oregon. Oregon, by the way, it's not Oregon. The second you said Oregon, I go, uh, foreigner. That would you say, for some reason I thought of the band. No, it's Oregon. Oregon. Oregon.

Do you think that you need Oregon at this juncture in your life to escape the demons of this business? No, I have it to escape the demons of horrible virus. that are circling the globe. The weird thing is, I was going to sell. I was about to dump this place on the mountaintop. I got grandbabies in, you know, in your fine state of California.

And we're going to get closer to them. And then we realized, nah, I think we're going to have a little, we're going to keep a little haven for the grandbabies where they can go and hide from the big, bad city. So I ain't selling this place never now. screw all y'all it was just yeah my property you you know when i talked to you we went to eat at pacha restaurant in the uh up in low okay we sat there and i remember you telling me something because i don't think you'd be talked about on the podcast last time but you you talk about the third

act your life is an axe and i remember you're getting really descriptive about that yeah tell me about the acts the the pandemic just pushed it over the cliff it just pushed it me fully into act three. You know, the idea was I did the rat race as an actor for a long time, work for all these phony companies. Same with you. We toured a lot. We've done all kinds of

stuff. And you sense yourself, and this is only me speaking for myself, not the entrepreneur that you are, always reinventing yourself. Oh, yeah. I found myself entering a rinse and repeat phase of my life and career. Rinse and repeat. You know, meaning it's, you're going to wash

your hair the same way again and you're just going to rinse it and repeat it the next day. And so conventions started to be very similar and ubiquitous. And working on certain types of TV shows, certain types of entertainment became boring and kind of annoying.

And, you know, television was exciting and new back in the day. And I'm sure there's still great stuff. But the TV grind, the last TV series I did, Ash versus Evil Dead, I was like, okay, I think I need to quit. I think I need to quit. I need to go suck my thumb on a mountaintop somewhere because I just burned myself out at too late of an age.

I was like, I can do a show. Fuck you. I can still got a TV show and me. And, you know, we ground out three seasons. And, you know, I left a piece of my soul there. And you still, we had a lot of creative control, but you still don't have the control that I have in Act 3. Act 3, it's my own publishing company, Art and Media.

I'm putting out my first book, the cool side of my pillow. It's a book of essays. And you go, oh, Snoresville, man. And that's cool. But it's my, it's my book. If it blows, it's me. I'm the guy. And as a result, if it does okay, I'll reap the reward.

So I also came to a horrible realization during this pandemic break, the first big lockdown period. I was like, wait a minute, movies are too expensive. I can't do those in my backyard. I need to do stuff that I can literally do in my backyard. So my to-do list is a new book. It didn't cost me anything to write it. I've written a couple of screenplays

and now, and I'm doing my first comedy album called The Lost Recordings. All, hang on, first of all, you're glitching a little bit. Your voice is fine, which is fine, but your body's, your face is glitching a little bit. Like, you're a little... Well, I'm on a mountain top. I can call you back, but, you know...

Is that, that's kind of... This is about as... This is kind of what we get up here. That's it. All right, well, I think we should stay... Well, now your eyes are closed, but we'll hold on, hold on. I wonder if you could do this for me. I'm kidding. I was kidding.

Oh, you bastard. I believed you. Yeah. Your acting isn't done. Your acting isn't done, sir. First of all, you've written other books. You said this was your first book. Why are you saying it's your first book?

It's for self-publishing. It's my book. I'm not trying to please the publisher. I'm not, there's no tour. You know, I toured my brains out the last book that I did. And it was fine. It was a good experience, but it's, um, those days are kind of in the rear of your mirror. bookstores are weird

they're either this big and you know there's nowhere for even people to line up because it's a postage stamp in a strip mall they're out the front and down the street and you go

okay that's not I've sort of gotten over the charm of that type of bookstore or they are the size of an airline hanger and there's a Starbucks and Buzac

and you're trying to shut the system down and they want you to do a reading and every manager and look this is just me sound like old curmudgeon on a mountain every manager is 24 years old and they don't know anything like anything

like what is what do you guys have a microphone I can look around for something you go well okay let's have fun Let's have fun with that. So there's a point where that stops being charming. I get that.

But, you know, of course, people still look at you. I look at you. Tons of fans. And they're like, he's young. He's not this old guy, this freaking guy in a mountaintop in Oregon. He's like, you know, so do you fight that for many years where you're like, I got to, I just, yeah, they're saying that I still, I got to do it because I'm doing it for someone else.

Do you ever feel like that? And now you're like, okay, I'm not doing this for anybody else. I'm done. I am done. I'm done doing things for my wife. I'm done doing things for fans. I'm done doing things for a mortgage. I just decided to pay crap off during all this to get rid of my overhead.

You know, so I, yeah, there's no, the man is gone. I'm not working for the man. And look, if a gig shows up, I'm there. Give me howl. Yeah, because I just got off. Until then, I'm pursuing efforts. that makes sense to me and things that I can pull off. I have screenplays that I'm going to convert into books

so I can self-publish them. If it's a successful book, okay, I'll make a movie. Look at you. You know, so the trick now is riding electric bikes in the boonies, in the hinterlands, and doing crap that's fun and makes sense. But, you know, a lot of these things got turned. upside down with this COVID business, my first thought was, oh, crap. I mean, I really felt

for people in the restaurant business. I mean, my best friends are bartenders. You know, I mean, these people are, they got hammered. But then I thought, wait a second, what am I talking about? In the last three years, I've been to 99 cities. That's, that averages every other week I'm on a plane going somewhere to do what I do. And that, I mean, this year, you know, I've been to one city, I've been to Chicago because I finally decided to tour again. I thought, this was going to be a year of writing and pitching, new stuff, let's just not do all the old stuff, let's try some new stuff. And then this went down and I actually started to feel bad for my own snotty industry was, shit, I think I got to do something for these people. You know, so I, I just did a tour at a drive-in.

All right, what's, what's a tour at a drive-in? A drive-in, drive-in moves motion picture theater. Yes, it was called the Midway in Dixon, Illinois, birthplace of Ronald Reagan. And great old cornfield, it's a thing out in the cornfield. You know, we had a classic Midwest thunderstorm that rolled through there. But I had known this promoter. And I just on a whim, I went, hey, Do you still have that driving and do you want to do something?

He's like, yes and yes. So we did a COVID safe drive, and everyone's in their car. They're listening to it now through their great stereo system. It's not their dad's crappy system you put on your window. They got a camera on me. I'm on a stage that's lit. And even if you have a crappy view of me, it doesn't matter. I'm on the enormous screen.

And what are you doing? and you're just talking for 10 minutes before the movie starts? We did photo ops. We did the whole bit. I stay in one place. And we got a zombie dummy, like a certain amount of feet away from me. And then they stand a certain amount of way between two other zombie dummies. And I don't really move.

They come in, take their mask off. We do it. And we do it outside at kind of dusk. And then everyone can fill in and do their things. So we did the photo ops just like normal. And then the Q&A is a little weird because you don't, I'm used to hecklers and you see hands go up, you call on them. This is a little weird.

You're looking into a black boy. You don't really see anything. And you think you've used your best one liner and you hear this. Those are the crickets, you know, next to the stage because you're out in the cornfield. Right. But it's a little bit of a different dynamic, but you have to kind of let that go. We had people line up for questions.

They, you know, you mark the, it's like at Home Depot, you just mark the distance. And so I don't know if conventions, you know, I started to think of those. This year I was supposed to go San Diego Comic-Con. Oh, yeah, we're going to cram 125,000 people in a four-day period. Ain't going to happen.

How many people come to these drive-ins, though? We were, we sold out for two nights in a row. So it was 100,000. some odd cars in the middle of nowhere you sell out nowhere it's literally yeah well look it's you're in dixon illinois it's it's you're two hours from chicago everyone who went to this place is local we got the local yokels going to well doesn't that make you doesn't make you feel good doesn't that make you say wow if i'm selling out these things here i mean it shows you that you're still your commodity you still uh it's not that i wasn't even that that wasn't the point

of going there. I just want to see if people would just go, period. Like, is everyone too afraid? But I sense a very, very strong eagerness for people to just have some semblance of reality or, you know, normalcy. And drive-ins, they're so old school, so kitchy. It's like eating the meatloaf sandwich. They're like, come on, kids, let's get in the minivan instead of the station wagon, and let's go to the damn drive-in. You know, dad can sneak his hoots, whatever he wants to do, a little reefer in your car. Who cares? No one cares.

So check this out. I want to give you a piece of good news story. All right, let's hear it. For all this bad news, freaking bad news. Let's see, Brett and Drew Pierce, the Pierce brothers. Their father is Bart Pierce, who did the stop motion animation of the very first evil dead back in 1979. Well, they are the next generation filmmakers.

They've made a couple of movies. They finally make this movie. that was scheduled, I don't even know how much this thing cost, not much. It was scheduled to be in drive-ins and it was going to open in May, and that's when everything shut down. They had the number one movie at the box office for five weeks. They tied Avatar, their little movie. What's this movie called?

I don't even know the name of the freaking movie, and it's tied Avatar. It's a horror movie. It's a fun little, apparently it's good. It's a fun little horror movie. So when did this come out? There is the news in there somewhere, May. It wasn't called host, wasn't it? So it came out right when theaters shut down.

Wow. When convention theaters shut down. So there was no way to go to a movie theater. The only way you could go is the drive-ins stayed open, and their movie was booked in, I don't know, 10 drive-ins. And then they kept re-booking it everywhere. Because there was nothing else. They're like, hey, let's book it.

this new movie and it's driving. So Evil Dead, by the way, is back in 15 drive-ins right now. Where? Anyone in California? They had one in California. There was one in Orange County, some classic old one. Thanks for telling me. Yeah, that was really cool.

So they're doing it, and it's been fun to support it. Evil Dead was a drive-in movie. That's what kills me. I mean, we made it for the drive-in, because that was the type of movie it was at the time. We went to drive-ins to do research. that if the, like, we're watching Massacre at Central High. You couldn't show the movie now. But Massacre at Central High, if parts sucked and most of it did,

the lights would come on. They'd flash on the screen. They'd just flash their brights. Like, fuck you, this sucks. Or they honked their horn. And we were like, oh, my God, these people are brutal. Like, so the trick is, if you're going to make a horror movie, then the thing we learned, like, once it gets started, don't be stopping.

keep keep it moving because otherwise they're going to honk their horns and they're going to flash their lights so it was great training wow and now these poor things were dying in 1979 and they barely hung on and now god bless them they're back in business little resurgence i like it it's so nice to see i just because normally you hear about things closing down in this great old theater right mom and pop thing and you know it's a good thing it's a good thing let me ask you this I'm going to go back, I want to go back 10 minutes ago because you said when you did Ash versus Evil Dead

and you were just saying like, what am I doing? This is it? I'm burnout. I thought I could do this. How soon into filming did you go, what the fuck did I do? About the first, about the second episode. Really? Seriously. The first one was the pilot directed by Sam Ramey. Well, Sam, we didn't really realize it.

He had sucked all the air out of the room. He had sucked days from the upcoming directors in order to get enough days to shoot his version of a workable pilot. You know, he had pirated literally days from all the other directors. So then when Sam left, we were hit with a massive dose of reality. Of that, oh, we have to make this like way faster than the pilot. How long was the pilot? 10 days?

No, no, it's Sam Ramey. I think it was like, you know, 20-some-odd days with tons of second unit. and I think the average episode to shoot a half hour show oh, you know, five, six days. So you're exhausted. You're in every scene almost. Yeah. Yeah, because it's, yeah, you have to.

Or you... You have to do it. And I was, I was ready for it. We've expanded the universe. You know, we gave him a daughter and we, you know, introduced him back home, gave him a father. And so you see his family. I was all for that. But, and, you know, we also got, Most directors are not Sam Ramey.

Well, they're definitely not Sam Ramey if they have six days to shoot something. No. I mean, no, because he would say no to the job. It's classic tell you, you know a bunch of television directors. It's the same thing. It's a skill. Yeah. It is a skill to manage actors and material and sometimes effects and stunts and get that

sucker done in, you know, our television used to be six, seven days, you know. Did you get along with everybody? we got probably the best crew I've ever been associated with you know the Kiwis have really

done great things in the entertainment industry there I mean starting with Hercules Hercules isina I've known crew members down there now for 20 years it's like oh hey oh yeah mate hey all you there but it's not the deepest bench because they get busy like if you get a Lord of the Rings coming in there it'll vacuum

all the crew members up, you know, right into that one hose. So we, we caught enough people in between the big shows that we got the really good people for three years because our sales pitch was, you want to go home for dinner every night, you'll work for Rob Tapper and this production because we shoot in Auckland and we're done every night at 7 o'clock. So you want to work on location for years and years and years, knock yourself out, but if you've got a family, you really want to work with us. That was our pitch every year to the crew.

And it worked because some crew members are like, oh, yeah, I got little kids. And the Kiwis, boy, they work on a clock. American television is, it's for squares as far as how they film it. It really is, it's disciplined, but not as disciplined as it could be and should be. The Kiwis, they pull the plug at 7 p.m. They work 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. That's a 12-hour day. That's plenty.

Plenty. And if you want overtime, the way their unions are set up, the producer has to ask the first AD on set, hey, I'd like the director would like an hour of overtime. And all the department heads gathered together, and they go, oh, you should be? Nah, nah, we're all right. No, no, no, thanks.

And they cut it down. I got one hour of overtime for my first Hercules episode I directed because I was new. They basically, and they told me that. They went, all right, it's your first day. Yeah, we'll give you an hour. We don't really do that. Yeah, fuck you, Bruce.

You know what? Travel on into your third act, mate, because this is the only hour you're getting, mate. Yeah, so basically, because that system was so disciplined, if you had a shot list, the assistant director, I'd have them right times next to my shots, like time of day. Like, when should I be shooting these shots? And it matters.

all the way down because you couldn't just stretch it. In America, they would announce to the crew, we're doing two hours of overtime tonight because we have to finish this location. They would just announce it, just to kind of give you a heads up. You're not getting out of here anytime soon. There was no discussion.

I love the fact that the Kiwis could shut you down. They had the happiest well-rested crews because, well, like Byrne notice, I worked on that. You've worked on shows for years. We had the rolling call time because we shot more than 12 hours. hours every day. Monday would be 7 a.m. Tuesday's 9 a.m. Wednesday's 11 a.m. Crew is miserable. Right. By the time you get to Friday, it's a noon call. You're not getting

out of there until 2 in the morning shooting on the sets. So you don't have a weekend. You don't have a weekend now. This is normal. And your Saturday is done. Right. You're sleeping. That's a recovery day. You're sleeping, whatever you're doing. You're not doing anything. Sunday is your only day off. That's, that's it. So, I mean, the Kiwi's, uh, Kiwi system, I'd have dinner with friends every night at 7.30, if we really wanted to, because it was so predictive. That's nice. I like that. I like when the arts are disciplined. You hear all the time, I read lots of movie books. These freaking people start these enormous movies without a script. Can you picture Ben Affleck sitting in his dumb

Batman suit, writing, rewriting on the spot, Batman versus Superman. Are you kidding me? That's the least efficient time to be writing. The guy's in the suit. He can't even take a piss but he's got to rewrite act three you know i mean it sounds to me bruce smart ones it's yeah aren't you the ones that are union you're smart your experience you know these things what the hell it sounds like it sounds they squeeze them into into release dates it's well it sounds to me like you you've had it you've sort of had it maybe you've had it a few years ago with all that stuff that's why you're doing your own thing now do you did it get to a point where you it was affecting your mental health you think you think you were getting anxious you didn't like how you

were always fatigued on you doing american shows or whatever were you just tired did you ever flip out bruce of course i did i i i pulled in new zealand they call it spit the dummy and the dummy in new zealand is your pacifier so i spit the pacifier and just went because when a kid spits the pacifier they go wah you know so in new zealand they call it oh yeah ah they're go, I spit the dummy. And I did. I went off on a director like I had never gone off before. And what did you say?

He was driving me crazy. There is a way that he was doing something that was just, I had, I was not interested in how he wanted to do it. And so yeah, I went completely ballistic on him. It was like the last

couple setups of the day and I basically excused myself. It was one of those I didn't really walk off. I was done enough. And I had to apologize to the crew the next day. You know, I got everybody together. First thing, I said, look, I'm an executive producer of the show. I'm supposed to set the example, right?

So, yeah, wow, way to nail that. So sorry. You know, this director didn't deserve it. So we want to treat each other with, you know. But it's what happens when it's too much, when something's too much, when you've either bitten off too much. and sometimes when actors go off they're not pissed about the actual thing

they're mad about something else there's a great outtake of Casey Kasem you know Casey's top top 40 weekly's top 40 this one goes out to Bruce Campbell Spit the pacifier buddy Yeah he's here's a song called Spit the Dummy Spit the dummy and there's a great outtake of him Of him going off on

And they've got it recorded of him Just shouting at some guys And in the middle of it, he goes, and where are those pictures that I asked for? He was really mad about the picture. The pictures. Some slight that he had sensed was that. And that's what really set him off. But something else we could blame it on.

So you weren't mad at the director. You were mad at something. You were just tired. You were whatever you've had it. I was tired. I'm sure. I'm very positive that I would have worked normally with that guy doing what he was doing under normal circumstances, but, you know, so it really, yeah, it shows you mental health,

no question about it. I called up an email to a buddy of mine, and I'm like, wow, yeah, maybe you should hang up to spurs, you know, because you really do, for me, if the joy is gone, then you're just looking for a payday. And then at that point, well, then you'll do anything. it's uh there's an actor that i have that i shouldn't name i call it the blankety blank effect and that's the actor's name you would insert the actor's name it's the blankety blank effect where the actor never says no to anything and you can just tell eric roberts what's the next gig it doesn't matter

is it a bad part it doesn't matter meet my price it doesn't matter so i i want to not go there I want to show up and be excited. And so I've never done a comedy album before. So I'm like, I'm going to try it. I might fall completely on my face, but I'm going to try it. And it's time to write more. I've never written a book of essays, which all of a sudden, you know, oh, now you know all about stuff.

So we'll see what the feedback is. I was trying not to make it a rant book, trying to make it a positive. Does that make you nervous doing something new, even though you're doing your own thing? Does that make you, do you get anxiety from that of doing, you know, taking on a new risk, a new challenge, like this comedy album? I mean, it's more excited anxiety because I don't limit myself as far as a genre or whatever. But I've started to see, and you've seen this too, we get limited even by our own peers,

how they see us. Like I had a TV show that I, my wife and I cracked a story to a TV show, one hour drama, that we think is just for the right. actor oh my god this could be fresh and new and really interesting and edgy and all that and a buddy mine has a tv deal so i said i'll get it to him maybe he'll be interested in it and he goes dude with you attached to this you're gonna you you want to try and sell this that this is yours i'm like what am i supposed to put a suit in him because otherwise if it doesn't have blood and guts. I'm not allowed to try and sell it. People can't accept something material on their own

merits. I was really taken aback, even met my own pal. I was like, oh my God, that is, that's what you even think of me in this world. Because I think of myself, and you might do the same, think of myself as an actor. You want me to sing, I'll try and sing. You want me to dance, I'll try and dance. If I'm going to shoot guns, let's do that. Fight scene, let's try that. You know, you try, let's try some comedy. Let's try a TV movie. Let's try a sitcom. You try all the formats.

One man show, a play. You've toured. You've done music. I liken it to, it's job rotation. A little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little bit of that. But, you know, we'll see. I'm going to see how some people, how they take a book that isn't about, it's a little bit about the film industry, but it's not completely about it.

But I don't think people, I mean, look, just because you became, look, look, I became famous from Lex Luthor. So, you know, are people going to look at me and go, oh, Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor, you know, you became famous from the Evil Dead movies. And you were like, but then we went on and we did, we've done other things. Nothing will be as impact. Well, a few things are as impactful as, look, getting a huge success. People said, well, what is he done after Smallville? Smallville's like the biggest was a biggest show.

I can only go down. So not even that, but then you did Briscoe County. You did all these rules. I got a weird kick. from Burn Notice, because burn notice ran for seven seasons, probably one of the most successful things I've done. It was the number one show on cable

for about three years, you know. It did great. People would retroactively discover the old stuff of mine. They go, what weird? That old guy did those weird movies like 30 years ago. So I had people sort of retroactively checking into the Evil Dead movies.

I always said, go ahead. That was very popular. You know, cable television is about, as populous as you're going to get it's very non-culty cable television well look i i said this to you before you know the uh when i watched evil dead i was like it was before jim carrie like this physical comedy the physical like i was like i looked at you going you know this guy should be the the biggest star i think he's just got so charismatic i really did and so many people across the that that's why look look how many years later i mean you've done a lot big body of work but uh you know

they come to drive-ins, they come to conventions, they'll come, they'll come to whatever you're doing. So you have a huge amount of success. Now, did you always see yourself like, do you look at yourself in the mirror and go, because I can tell you what I look at, you know, and you wouldn't like it. But do you ever look in the mirror and go, God, you should have been fucking, you know, Tom Hanks, you should have been, so do you ever, do you have honestly feeling your gut like? No, it's too dangerous, too dangerous to play that game.

You never went there? You never went there? You never thought. No, because it's not. I've really tried to do a combination of accepting the hands that have been dealt and trying to work on my own stuff. You know, the first Evil Dead movie will always be what it is. It's a crude, low-budget, sometimes shocking horror movie. But the thing that I will always take away from that is the four years that it took to make it and to get the money and to raise it and to shoot some.

And then six months later, shoot some more. And six months later, shoot some more. And get your father to hawk property so that you can get money to blow it up from 16 millimeter to the 35. I caught my father. He had just gotten divorced from my mother and was sitting on the back porch staring off into the woods behind our house. And I go, Dad, we're not going to get this movie into theaters unless it gets to 35 millimeter. That's about a $50,000. operation can i can we use the property it was in northern michigan can we use that can i can i

go and get a loan against that to do it he goes yeah yeah i don't care just like that oh but it was because my dad had been destroyed and and the prodigal son i got him right when i when i knew i could i could get him to say yes because he didn't care he he was so despondent we go up to the mid michigan Bank in Gladwin, Michigan and have a meeting with the guy at the mid-Michigan bank and go, we like to get a loan for $50,000 to blow up

a motion picture. And the guy didn't know what a blow up, you know, it's a lab process of course, but he didn't know. He goes, guys, you can blow up whatever you want, but if you don't pay it back, we're taking the property. Do you understand how this works? He said that, just like that. Yeah, we got it.

Oh, yeah, he didn't want to hear all the technical shit. He loans to farmers. You know, it doesn't loan the filmmakers. Right. Fortunately, we paid it back. But that's what sticks out to me is I'll always be proud of my homie, Sam Raymond and Rob Tapper. We did the craziest crap to get this thing done to pull it off. Detroit, you don't make movies in Detroit.

1979 and inflation was horrible. And the interest rates were, you know, 20%, some stupid amount. It was a bad environment for investors, you know. And so I didn't even, I was so, you know, to me, when I could go to my local cinema and watch Evil Dead on the screen at a matinee with 20 people in the theater, I didn't care. It's where I saw the Poseidon adventure. Oh, my favorite movies ever. It was real. We made it on the fucking screen.

And that was way early in the process. We hadn't even made any money yet. And I'm like, we did it. How much did your dad make him that 50? Oh, he did good. Every time he got a check, his quote was, oh, God, it's like finding it in the street. You know, like he just tripped over it in the street.

And my mom, my parents divorced, and they split their portions of what they owned of the movie. And I got that check. And every time I get a check, I knew that my mom would get a check. And I'd call her up and go, mom, you get your checks? She goes, yeah. I go, what are you going to do with it?

She goes, I'm getting all new Anderson windows. That was her favorite brand. I love window. And they say, you know, bam, she's got the whole house and beautiful double-pane Anderson window. She lived in Michigan.

How many? I'd call her up in the dead ass. About 10 of them. They're like a thousand bucks each, you know. And I call her up, you know, dead of winter, ma, how you doing, ma? She goes, I'm feeling pretty toasty with those Anderson windows. My God.

That's what Evil Dead means to me. My parents got, my dad could find money in the street, and my mom could buy Anderson Windows. That's beautiful. And you know what? How many kids ask their parents for money or get a loan and actually pay them back and give them extra money? I'd say zero.

It is rare. Look, we got lucky because there's a lot of every investor we went to in Detroit in 1979, anybody with money had already been hitting on by idiot filmmakers. And this one guy liking it to this, this very successful real estate guy goes, guys let me tell you my experience in investing in a motion picture it's like you go to the you go to Vegas and you put a dollar in pull the slot and 75 cents comes back and you go hey got 75 cents out of the dollar back let's put it in again and you put the 75 cents in and you get 50 cents back and you put that in and next thing you know he goes I invested in four movies I don't have

anything to show right nothing it's like get out of my office you know And so that was as exciting as anything was being able to pull that up. It really stretched all of us. We did our own poster. We learned how to lay out. We learned what a P-Lox was, and we learned what variety needed as far as the specs to put an ad in their paper, the size of the ads, the shape, how many dots, how many lines were in it, screen lines. We had to learn all that crap. We cut our own coming attraction, our own three-minute trailer.

Sam cut that in an old dentist's office in Ferndale, Michigan. So I have a very nostalgic look back on it because it was all so fresh and so new and so hands-on. Yeah. But man, I'll tell you, modern filmmaking with the digital stuff, it really has saved a lot of man hours. Are your movies better? No. No. But they're a lot less tedious now. Do you remember the old editing rooms?

There would be little strips of film hanging. on things with codes it was such a small strip of film there wasn't even they put edge coats edge coating on this so you knew where it was and where it fell in but some pieces of the film were too small

you didn't even have the edge coat so you'd have to hang it on a thing and they would get knocked in what they called trim bins and would go into the bottom of the trim bin and you'd look down and go fuck okay who's going to try to find that trim now you'd hit undue. Yeah, exactly.

You know, well, let me ask you. I mean, you can save all these different versions now. So the, I don't know, filmmaking is, it's, it's easier. It's easier, but I complain about it all the time. You know, I'm not going to get into it. But for me, you show me practicals. I'm dying. I'm loving it.

I love practicals. I mean, a lot of the digital stuff, it's all, everything's digital. So I'm just like, oh, great. I've watched 90% of a fake movie that I, it's all digital. And I'm sure people, love these movies, and sometimes I'll kind of like them, but I love practicals. I love when J.J. Abrams, you know, and at least Force Awakens, which a lot of people would say whatever. I thought he did a pretty damn good job, but he used a lot of

practicals. And you can look at it, you go, I can touch that. It feels, you know, I don't want to get into that boring shit, but I want, I, I do. Here's the visceral difference in our industry over 40 years. So 40 years ago, Ash has a shotgun, and we're shooting at a cabin in Tennessee, and he has to swing to the window and blow the window out with his shotgun. So, 1979 in Tennessee, you pop a, pop a shell in that sucker and look out the window and ask Tim, Tim, the cameraman, Tim, wave your arm. No, don't be there. Don't be there.

Because you know where your target is. Right. So you'd have everybody outside, wave their arm, don't be there, don't be there. Okay, turn the camera on, and you're going to get out of it. right okay ready and go blam and the window is just blown out right the visceral aspect of it you feel the kick you feel the impact by the time we get to ash versus evil dead which is just a few years now 30 some odd years later 37 years later now I hold up the shotgun say yeah so is your mother and I jerk the shotgun you know a little pantomime and then a guy

on set has an interactive light that hits me in the face. And he and I got in really good sync. He knew when I was going to, he knew the rhythm. And he always got it just right. Now it's a digital flash that they're putting in. It's beautiful. They can make it 8 inches long, 12 inches long, blue,

steel, gray, whatever you want, a little smoke. And they can put in a howitzer, you know, a cannon for the sound effect. It's beautiful and completely safe. but every aspect of anything visceral is gone. We never, in three years, we never set foot outside of our stage. We faked the entire thing.

And part of my rant one time to my buddy was I'm just tired of looking at tennis balls on sticks with a guy going like this. Oh, yeah, Roy. And now, now the go-gones over there, the go-goon. Now, no, you're looking over, he's no, Camry, Roy. Oh, the way, Roy. Where gargoy? Are you saying gargoyle?

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He's quietly sitting in the other, he's sitting across from me just to make sure this is recording. Hi, Troy. Hi, Troy. Hi, Bruce. How are you? All right, there you go. So look, I don't know if this is all bullshit. Just say, just say, you got a mask, yeah.

Say true or false. Were you offered the role of Edgar and Men in Black? No, I got a, I had a chance to play an exterminator in one of the Men in Black movies. I think it was Men in Black, too. but I turned it down because I got to do a TV movie called Tornado for Fox

and I just, it was a better it was way more money and a starring role instead of some little walk-on in this movie. So I was never on for that I don't think the role you're speaking of. All right.

Well, one of my favorite horror movies is Pet Cemetery. Were you the first choice for Pet Cemetery as the lead? That I do not know, sir. I am unaware of that. So that's false. Were you considered to be the lead in speed, Bruce?

No, never. Never. I like Keanu Reeves. And Keanu Reeves in that movie is very, he's very fun to watch. He's trying to be an older authority figure. Come on now. I'm trying to use a deeper voice. Come on now, guys.

And I listen some ways. Well, now he's never doing my podcast. I'm trying to get him. He's like, no, Bruce Campbell made fun of me, damn it. Whoa. Well, I've heard absolutely nothing but really nice things about him. The best. I worked with him. He doesn't have any stink on him. I was in drag in a movie called Sweet November. We did a movie and I worked for them a couple of weeks. And I was in drag. I was like Cantu. Hi. How are you? And he's like, hello. How are you? Michael, good to see today.

Great outfit if I may say. Great outfit if I may say. No, you may. He was so awesome. I loved him. I mean, he couldn't have been kinder. And even when he got mad when he's doing a take and he couldn't get it he'd go fuck and then he you know the director said Pat O'Connor he directed Circular Friends he's like oh Kenna what you like another takes

I'm good I'm good just let you know I'm good action Sarah sorry I'm sorry man and then he'd go again but yeah just fuck no it's me no I'm okay I'm okay let me do it again he was awesome though I mean what a great guy

hey watching actors work can be very entertaining there are some actors who I mean you got to put two cameras on them because if you get it you get it otherwise they can't match anything they can't you know rip torn the great great actor rip torn he was in men in black and a buddy of mine was one of the assistant directors on it and he said rip torn it was trying to just get certain words out and he couldn't do it so they just kept the camera rolling and he kept getting more and more pissed off

and shouting and angry with himself. And the director, Brace Sinoffel was crying and he was laughing so hard behind the monitor because he just, he wouldn't dare call cut because this guy was trying to get it.

I'll get it. He couldn't get it because he worked himself up into escape rolling. Yeah. Oh, he worked himself into such a frenzy. He needed to calm himself down for a minute.

Hey, were you, outtakes are great. You should Google Hollywood outtakes. They're pretty fun to watch. I love outtakes. Were you, like, I know you, I think I talked to you about this briefly, but you and Sam, like those, the one-liners, I mean, it's such a rarity in film that you have these, these quotable phrases that you came up with these one-word kind of things. So when you said, Groot, Groovy, or you said, chainsaw, or you said these little things, did that just start? And then it just goes, we got to continue that.

Did you find that? It wasn't in the script, was it? Sam wanted Groovy for Evil Dead 2. Ash puts a chainsaw rigged together, cuts his shotgun in half, flips it, puts it in holes or any traction. And he says, I wanted a word that in 1986 was very out of it. This is the Reagan era, you know. And no one used Groovy in 1986, at least not to my knowledge.

And Sam's like, I want you to say groovy. And then, so Sam would come up with a lot of this stuff and either pitch it on the day like just before, like Army of Darkness, I'm supposed to kiss M. Beth Davids and let her hair down and kiss her. And we can't find Sam anywhere on set. A.Ds are trying to find him.

And they find him giggling over in a corner. I was like, okay, what's that all about? And he comes over to me, he goes, I know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. I go, I don't say anything. I just kiss her, right? He goes, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to look at her.

You're going to say, give me some sugar, baby. I was like, that's so far as wrong. He goes, you're going to do it, do it, you do it. Because Sam gets pissed. If you don't immediately go, wow, that's awesome. You know, he'll get pissed at you. So I went, okay, fine, I'll say your stupid line. And, you know, and other things just occur to you.

I got my foot on the neck of a creature in Evil Dead, too, and it keeps going, I'll swat to you. swallow yourself, so Ash is about to blow it away. So he just goes, swallow this. So they would come out. And it was a type of character that by the time Sam did Army of Darkness, Ash was a full-on, ugly American trash talker. How he evolved into that is really mostly Sam.

Because he's, you know, the first Evil Dead, he's a generic milk toast, 21-year-old guy who happens to be more of a survivor than anything. Than Evil Dead, too, he's kind of like a Vietnam vet. he's a little wary and then by Harvey of Darkness he's just he's a smart ass which is I love it I mean I don't like milk toast lead characters that's the problem with lead characters they write the bad guy you played a great bad guy right did they not write great stuff for you you could be an asshole and chew the scenery look at me here's my bad guy speech before I take you down bad guys get written really well and they make the mistake of underwriting the good Good guys. It was a movie called Assault on Dome 4, one of my finest, finest roles. They offered me the lead. And you thumb through, I looked for the name of the character as I thumb through. What's the density level here? We're talking. And then I started to read his lines. Get down. Come on. Let's go. Now.

It was all suit like that. I went, what a bore. And the bad guy had these flowery speeches. And I was like, hey, guys, no offense, but I'll play the bad guy. I'm not going to play the lead guy. They went, they hadn't cast the guy yet. They went, yeah, okay, fine. So they gave it to Joe Culp, who is Robert Culp's son.

And Joe's a perfectly fine actor. but I got to watch for like the next three weeks of Joe just doing the most insipid, uninspired dialogue and me just going by spewing bullshit all day long because they wrote me well and they didn't bother to write the hero. You're right.

You know, it's funny because Tom always, we always joke about it. Tom who played Clark on small, but we always go, you know, I sit there and quote Alexander the Great and I go, you know, Alexander Greigate said this and blah, blah. My father, you know, and I go on and he go, I don't know, Lex. That's all your fucking lines.

I need you to take a longer beat so I can remember what else I have to fucking say. Just take a fucking other beat. That's all you got. Dude, it was. But, yeah, I mean, it was. It is fun playing the bad guy. I mean, mostly good guys aren't. I mean, look, Harrison Ford was a good guy.

Because you don't. I have a theory, too. People who play bad guys a lot. are actually really nice guys. And it's the guys who play the heroes who are kind of dicks that I've met over the years. Can you name any? No, we shouldn't do that. That would be that would be a little rent.

I mean, where are they going to find you? You're in Oregon. Well, we can poke fun at the big ones. But, you know, it is just kind of funny that the guy who plays the hero, many times on set, has the feeling of like, I have to be in control of everything. I'm playing the hero I need to be in charge of this do I want to say that line now some actors is pretty funny

I did McHale's Navy with Tom Arnold Tom would give all his lines away at the first you'd read a scene you'd gather around outside where you're shooting and he'd read it and he'd go hey Campbell you haven't had a line in a couple of days

once you check this first part I go yeah okay do you want me to sure Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Hey, Haley, you haven't said shit for about a week. Why don't you take this the next part? He gives his whole speech away to five other actors. And at the end, he goes, good, let's go.

Wow. I'm like, now, there's a good actor. That's a brilliant actor. That's brilliant. And very, what's the word? Nice, kind. Very egalitarian. You know, Campbell, you haven't said anything in a couple of days.

I mean, that's how that shoot was. you've worked with directors and writers too some writers are very terrified of doing things differently or letting an actor riff or do something and some situations are very loose it can be nice when the writer is also the director if they're willing to kind of just get the best thing at that moment

the insecure folks are the ones who go no I just want what I want I just want what I want And so my feeling is then you're missing out on interesting opportunities. It's called editing. If you don't like what we do, don't use it. I would do, in burn notice, I would throw crap in at the very end of the scene because it was not about the plot. I'm not interested in changing their plot.

But they'd write some scenes where I felt like I had to react. I felt like someone should say something. Like we had a bad guy show up at our table. and he lectures us for like two minutes and leaves and we didn't have anything to say so I look at the other people after he goes I go okay it's official the guy's a dick you know and so they

they just kept it because it's just was they needed a little button and the key just Bruce and the key is never tell them you're going to do something and I have learned that never tell them you're going to do something I was on a show for two years a couple years ago and I was leading I would say oh Chris

so when she does this I'm going to and say, I'm going to say, add this and go, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you need that. If I just, when you just do it, they're like, oh, that was funny. Did you just make that up on the spot? Yeah, that was, yeah, you should keep that.

Yeah, it depends on the situation. And some writers, John Patrick Shanley obviously has some kind of Patty Cheyftskey claws. Like, I'm in the movie Congo, right? It's monkeys attacking people in the jungle, right? And I'm doing a transmission as Charles. Laura Linney is my girlfriend.

I lead the first team into the jungle. And we're doing a broadcast. And I, some things were a little clunky and I tried to just bridge a couple of things. And after the take, the script supervisor comes up, it goes, excuse me, during that last take, you added an um and a well and a hump. And I started, I started laughing. I went, come on. You're not serious. Are you serious?

She goes, yes, we need to stick with the words. So John Patrick Shanley adapts a Michael Crichton book. And I still can't change the words to make his clunky sentences connect a little better. That may, that's, you know, that, yeah, yeah, that's upsetting. Here's your Patty Chayefsky clause right there. Guess what? If you're Patty Chayefsky. I won't change your words.

Guy who wrote Maudi for Ernest Borgna. So, yeah, I won't change his words, but John Patrick Chandley, I might need to help your adapted words, Mr. Playwrights, he's a playwright. You don't change playwrights. You don't change playwrights.

Hey, this is called shit talking with Bruce Campbell. My patrons out there who are amazing and they support the podcast. And this is rapid fire. You just answer him fast. Chris F., any advice for an up-and-coming writer during quarantine? Oh, my God. God. Yes. Right. Great. Right. I mean, what else would you do? What else would a writer do during quarantine?

That freaking guy, I've, look, during this quarantine, I wrote two screenplays on a book. Get off your ass. This is not rocket science. Chris, I hope you're still a patron after that response. Right. What do you? It's a court. I mean, seriously. Right. Is this a trick question? I love it, Bruce. It's good. It's Bruce. What are you, Maroon? Ashley E. What did you enjoy most? about filming the Evil Dead series and Evil Dead movies. Did you prefer the series or the movies? I enjoyed when they ended. Okay.

There you go. Leanne P., what is the one thing people would be surprised to learn about you, Bruce Campbell? I have lavender on my property and it smells so good. I'm going to get some of that lavender. Marissa N. What would you say as a highlight of your career to you? Something you accomplished that makes you proud, the one thing. What's that thing you think of right now?

You already thought about it. I could tell. No, the first Evil Dead. because of what it took to to pull it off, which nobody really knows. It's a story that three guys know and I wrote a book about it.

It meant that much to me. You know what it taught me? It taught me that you didn't have to have a specific background. You could kind of be a nobody and get into the film business. It just proved to us that it was not impossible. Like I heard my cousin, my cousin's husband,

Bill Martin, In 1976, I listened to WKMI in Kalamazoo, because I went six months to college there. And I listened to him, and I knew that guy, and he was on the freaking radio. And Bill was not a real flashy guy, but he had a nice, smooth voice in WKMI, you know, Kalamazoo. And that gave me hope. He passed recently, and I said a little something at his gathering. I said, he made it seem possible that I could get in. you hear a DJ on the radio and you're 15, 16,

you don't have any idea. That's magic. Like, how did that guy get that job? How did Frank Sinatra become Frank Sinatra? I don't even know how any of this works. And it was all smoking mirrors and mystery. We had even fears with the first evil dead. We had heard, oh, the projectionists won't even screen it if it's not a union movie.

We hear these like weird wives tales of things that were not true, urban myths about making movies and it was just great to dispel it to know that we could get into our own movie theater that it was not impossible it took a lot it took a lot um but the what we do is not impossible so if you're someone who is at home who sees what you and i are doing and thinks it's impossible it is so not impossible true it's not but yeah if you're a lazy son of a bitch good luck chuck you're done don't even go into the business because you know blow jobs and limousines how often does that happen you know unless you're a rock star in the 70s it doesn't happen very often most of what we do is tedious time consuming uh we're not always well paid uh sometimes

we work with idiots and morons it's a very selfish industry you know so i don't know i try now trying to look at it a little more objectively because I tried to please this horror of a mistress called the film business and it was never satisfied. Nothing I ever did was good enough for it. So I'm like, oh, right, I'm trying to please, you know, something that's impossible. Because film business, you can never be working hard enough. There's always Steven Spielberg. There's always Tom Cruise. You know, there's always someone who is mega successful that sometimes that'll encourage you and sometimes it'll discourage you because you go, you make $20 million for a movie.

I'll never, I'll never make $20 million for a movie, you know, I'll never earn what Dwayne Johnson earns. Do I have to? Thankfully, no. You know, I see big houses, you know what I see plumbers, the need for plumbers and handymen. You know what? I think there's a gap in your life. There's a certain time frame that for me it was end of college and probably the next seven years. There's a seven year gap where I didn't look at odds. I had so much confidence. I didn't give a shit. And it wasn't until I started to have success that I started getting in my own head and started to get insecure and started to get. And then I was like, what happened? What happened? I always want to go back to that one guy who would just knock on anybody's fucking door and say, I'm fucking great. hire me and your movie will, you know, there's something like that so you can't wait too long.

When you feel it, you've got it, you feel it, you've got to go for it, man, right? I think you kind of have to continually feel like that in some way. There has to be something that motivates you, you know, to get out of bed in the morning, whatever it is in our particular industry. Like, you know, and I've found that certain things can really fill the gap. Writing is really cheap. It's probably the cheapest thing that our industry. has is the ability to write.

There you go, Chris. You get your, you know. It's so inexpensive. And you click and you can send it to somebody. It's just you click and you can get a copyrighted. It's just, it's all, it's, it's pretty magical, that aspect. And then filmmakers need to be good salesmen. And I think they need to be better with money and time.

I think if filmmakers, Frank Capra, the great filmmaker, right, from the classic motion pictures. Mr. Smith goes to Washington. He worked for Harry Cohen, who was at Columbia, who was one of all the assholes who ran studios. He was probably one of the biggest asshole. And he was, he was really a freak about money. Money, money, money,

money this, money that, money that. So Frank Kappa was like, hey, Harry, let's, because Frank produced his movies too. So he's like, can we come up with some kind of a working relationship where if I'm not over budget, you're not messing with my

movie. Can we, can we do that? Like, like, if I get in there and make sure that I deliver this movie to you on time and on budget, you won't, you won't get in there and just, we'll leave my movies alone. And there he's like, I don't know, maybe we'll try one, you know, and they tried it. He delivered it on time, on budget. And he's like, all right, all right, all right. And that's how he was able to slip under a very watchful eye of someone who liked to mess with movies. And it's good to be responsible with money. You see a movie that's $300 million has got to make a billion dollars. The numbers are just too insane. So if you can't get into, if you can't book 3,000 theaters, guess what? You're not going to make movies for 300 million

anymore. Uh, Ashley G, if you weren't an actor, what career would you be interested in? And don't say writer or something. It's got to be out of the business. No, no, no, no, probably, uh, like a forest ranger. I'd give park ranger. I'd just, smoky. Well, check this out. Putting shit out, putting fires out. Because we're entering our fifth season in Oregon. We have a fifth season, fire season. So, yeah, we're entering it now. We're heavy into fire season. So we have things like red flag warnings now. Windy, hot, low humidity, and idiots out camping everywhere. Can you start a fire without matches or a lighter? I do not have that ability.

Okay, I'm going to learn that. I'm actually going to take a survival class. Get a flint. You need a little flint, right? You need some of that, some shavings. Yeah, all right, I'm going to do it. You just said you didn't know how to do it. So are you telling me what to do it?

You know, what's better is here, here's a plug for you, life straw. I take it on my bike rides, my electric bike rides back in the boonies. It's this little straw, it's a carbon-filtered deal, you know, and I'm sucking right out of Mr. River. right out of it. Bam, put it back in your pocket.

You suck. Yeah, baby. Little Lisa. Besides doing horror films, you have also done a lot of voice acting. As we know, what has been your favorite movie show or video game voice work you have done? So we already said that Evil Dead was the best movie, but like your favorite,

but what was the other thing you could think of that you really love or enjoyed? Cloudy with a chance of meatballs, if you're looking for voice work, I played the mayor. And it was fun just to be, that was my first kind of like being in like a Hollywood animated movie where they had like other, you know, people in there

who you knew their names, that sort of stuff. It is fun to do those. Yeah, I love that. But animation is weird. Animation acting is weird because they always have you come in and redo stuff because the animation changes. Now they go, oh, we added a waterfall behind you so you got to pitch it up a little bit.

Oh, you're falling. through space during this line now. So you got to make it. You got to yell it. So you always have to go back and make things bigger. The grunts always upset me. Like, Michael, can we just more of a ban? If somebody's filming, you look like an idiot.

I wait. I do all that stuff at the end of my session. Oh, yeah. I get all the words out clean. Because once you start doing all that gutter all crap, I can blow my voice out, yells and stuff like that. Save that for the end. Yeah, I remember the Evil Dead game you had. I play that.

I bought that. A lot of grunts and groans in that. A lot of grunts and grunts. All right, Flass Girl. What's up, Flass Girl? Now she's about the drive-ins. Are there any more dates going to be added, or is that it? I've got, you know, it's all on Mr. website.

You can find it posted somewhere. It's my, it's Bruce Campbell. Keep your distance to her. I want to see these things with my own two eyes. I know it's probably not the smartest thing ever to go gallivanding around. But I want to see. I want to see what's happening. in the country because I don't trust anybody anymore.

I don't trust anything that anybody says or shows me a photograph, a video. I'm like, yeah, you know what? You're working for somebody. You're trying to, you know, I just want the information. So it was great to travel and get on a plane and see what that airline is doing. And are they being safe? And what are they serving? What are they not serving?

You know, and you go to a hotel. What's happening in a hotel? Am I wiping down the hotel? Am I carrying my little kit with me everywhere now? you know riding in cars with buddies going to location well we both have masks on now because we don't live with each other you know so it's having to go through an event where you're socially distancing it's really bizarre but so i can't wait to go to the indoor venues again and see if we can't do it safe i'm just worried for conventions again am i going to see you again your mug

in one of those convention room green rooms that's one of my favorite times is to run into people they're making coffee or tea or whatever and that's a great time to just shit to shit like when is that going to happen so you know also you're taking us out to dinner you also take a few of us out to dinner every convention i'll hopefully he'll be doing that again wink Matthew jay my girlfriend and i last question my girlfriend and i are wondering if you're able to keep any props from ash versus evil dead or did you ever keep any props from any of the evil dead movies that's it my brother don has the sought-off shotgun from the original evil dead what do you sell it why Is he a fan of movies or memorabilia?

No, he just likes guns. So that's why he has that gun. I didn't keep, I, you know, I have weird stuff. I have a Chachky shelf. Let me, I'm going to show you one thing that's kind of interesting. I'll be right now. He's going to come back naked. Here it comes.

This has been a lot of fun. I hope you guys are enjoying this. Bruce goes and gets one of his shotskeys. This is what gets me interested. I guess you could call this nerdy. I don't know. This is a railroad spike. And you go, yeah, big deal, railroad spike.

It's from the Sutro Tunnel. And you go, what the hell is the Sutro Tunnel? No one knows about the Sutro Tunnel. And I go, I do. It matters to me because the Sutro Tunnel was in Virginia City, Nevada, and they were drilling for silver. Okay? So they drill for silver.

And all the robber barons would have problems. These mines would flood. You couldn't get the ore out. It was very difficult. They had fires in there. It was very bad. So Adolf Sutro says, I have a great idea. I'm going to build a horizontal tunnel to connect to all of your vertical shafts. And the water will run out from the flooding. You'll have an escape route to smoke can go out.

If you get fire, I'll only take one penny per ton of ore. that comes out of there to do this. So he starts building this. The robber barons were very hesitant about this. They all backed out eventually. He finally had to get the money from Europe to do this. And by the time he punched the whole, a 20-mile vertical shaft,

by the time he did it, most of the mines were played out. He wound up selling his thing and became the mayor of San Francisco. So in San Francisco, there's Sutro Hill. That's named after Adolf Sutro. So I had mentioned when I was doing a Western, The Adventures of Briscoe County Jr., I think I had emailed something to somebody about how I thought it was cool

and I love history of the Old West. And a guy emails me, he goes, I had the entrance to the Sutro Tunnel on my property in Nevada. I noticed you're going to go do a rodeo appearance for your TV show. Why don't you take the 45-minute ride from Reno out to Virginia City

I'll take it to the Sutro Tunnel. I'm like, whoa, what? Hell yeah. So we go there and sure enough, right above this old crumbly entrance from, it's 1868 or whatever, and it's in the old timey lettering Sutro Tunnel, we squeezed through these two, you know,

poorly connected metal gates and water's running out through the middle. There's cave in, cave in, cave in, we only went about, you know, 50 feet. thing would just, everything's collapsed. It's horribly dangerous. You know, we could have fallen in some pit, but I'm like, you know what?

I'm taking that. I'm taking that son of a bitch. So I have a spike from the Sutro Tunnel that doesn't, no one could give a shit. So I have a Chatsky show where everything has a story of acquisition of how that came to be. And so none of it

is movie oriented. Absolutely. It doesn't matter. But you know what I love is that some guy just contact you're like, hell yeah, and you drove an hour to hang out with this guy and check this shit out. I would do that. That's why I like that. I would do that. Yeah. Oh, you have to look, not everybody's crazy. No, most of them are and I'm crazier

than most of the people. Some people are just, they innocently offer stuff and I think it's wonderful. I love people. I do. And I love you, Bruce. This has been awesome. I used to love people. And now I'm on a mountain top. Hiding, hiding from them. Hey, I can't wait to see you, man. I love I want to come out there.

Standing invite, as long as the world functions, you're welcome to come up. And we don't have to do a lot. You don't have to entertain me. I know you won't. But maybe I've always, I want to go water rafting. Can we still go water rafting around there? You can go rafting. Yeah, the guide has to wear a mask.

And you have to wear masks in the shuttle van getting from place to place. But otherwise, when you're on the raft, yeah. That's it. And I'll put you up front. I'm going to give you the best seat up front where you'll basically block all the cold water from hitting me. I know exactly where to sit and all these rafts down. I love it. The new guy

gets the front because he goes, oh, oh, cool, the rap is shot shit. And then you'll freeze, but you'll thank me for it. Oh, I really, this has been awesome. You're the best, dude. You'd be good. Nice talking to you. I love him. I love him. That's all I'm going to say.

I love Bruce Campbell. I mean, it's just like, I want to have him on as much as possible. He kind of tells you how it is, and he's a sarcastic. but he does that whole thing or you know he's just doing that you know that thing well i don't know if the world's good but you know it's just this whole thing and it's just right it's almost like a norm mcdonald meets you know it is it is like a norm macdonald a little bit yeah yeah that's right so uh i asked my dad for 50,000 dollars and uh that story's that story's insane though oh my god what a great story he took he kind of took advantage of his very sad father he did but then his dad

now we have evil dead i came into a fortune you know i just saw something I was watching the Amidivore as I talked about in the pre show the pre the intro and I was watching Amity of a horror and I looked as I'm watching the movie I've seen it so many times and I know the story I you know I was born in Long Island in New York right near Amityville and my mom as crazy as she was she used to take me to Amityville house and you know oh that's the house for all the kids were murdered oh boy and then it was haunted and the Lutz has lived there and then they got possessed and then he almost killed his family and then he left and then and it went on and on and I read this thing about the Amityville horror where we

James Brolin, Josh Brolin's dad, he couldn't get work after that movie for years. He couldn't get work. People associated him with this, you know, with this horror movie. But he got 10% of the back end in the movie. He goes, don't pay me,

just give me 10% on the back end. He made to what's equivalent to $55 million on the Amid of a horror movie. What? Yeah. He owned 10% in the movie was a blockbuster. Even though the reviews weren't good.

I loved to. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. I'd love to get James Brolin on here. James Bolin and Babs. You know, he's with Babs. Barbara Streisand. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. She's not Josh Brolin's mom, though. No, no, no, no. I don't think she has, does she have a Streisand? I don't know if they go by Streisand. Wouldn't you love to be? Yeah, of course they wouldn't, but I'd love to be a Streisand. Michael Streisand.

Are you Barbara's son? Yes. How did you know? Well, there's not many Streisandz, Rosenbaum. Thanks again for listening, guys. I hope you enjoy it. Next week's going to be a classic. I know you're going to enjoy that one.

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so I just want to say that and what else? We're doing a, Tom and I are doing a podcast or a virtual thing in Dubai a virtual con coming out. That's going to be interesting. Also my camp I have a camp, Camp Rosie and obviously that's pushed and push but we're going to eventually do that.

My buddy, Dave Cushner and I, we're going to do a summer camp, and when this is all over, we're going to really have a good time. We're going to go back to the way it was. It will go back to the way it was. It'll be better. People will be more respectful, I hope.

Let me give you a shout out to the one and only's, the patrons, before we do, I'm going to read them. I'm going to read them. And then I'll allow Ryan to try and get, we'll go with 15. Okay. Nancy D. Mary B. Leah S. Trisha. Sarah V. Little Lisa, Ukeko.

Jill E. Brian H. Lauren G. Nico P. Angelina G. I know you memorize that one because I say I emphasize it. Robin S. Jerry W. Emily. Bobby Robert I. Jason W. Stephen J. Kristen K. Amelia O. Allison L. Jess J. Lucas M. Rage. C. Joshua D. Emily S. C.J. Samantha. M. Humza B. Jennifer N. Jackie, Stacey L. Carly H. That was Jackie P, by the way. Don't forget her P. Don't forget her P. What? Now you're going to remember Jackie P. Oh, Jesus. Jackie P. Jennifer S. Janelle B. Carrie B. Tab of the 272. Not to be confused with. Tabith to 273. Kimberly E. Crystal H. Mike. Emmerese. Namira. Beth B. Santiago M. Sarah F. Chad. W. Lian. Roshin. Ray A. Maya P. Megan. Maddie S. Tiffany I. Kendrick F. Ashley E. Margie M. Thomas T. Shannon D. Shannon D. Shannon D. Shannon D.

Shannon D. Shannon D. Shannon D. Matt W. Belinda. M. Benjamin R. Lisa J. L. Liza once. Kevin V. Robert S. Azapalooza. A newbie. God. What would it be a song? You're going to remember that. At the Azza. Azapalooza. Oh, boy. You won't forget that one.

Oh, boy. James R. Chris H. Snow R. Snow. Sean V. Anusha. W. Osborn.

Osbourn. Osbe H. Dave H. Samantha S. Spider-Man Chase Sheila G. Oh, oh, Sheila G. You know what? Alyssa C. Jacob H.

Misha H. William H. Debe. Tom N. Italy, 622, not to be confused with Natalie. 623. That's correct. She's a newbie, too.

So, I mean, all right, so Ryan, let's run through it. My friend, if anybody likes this other than my friend Ethan, I'll be happy. Him and Alex, his girlfriend there. I love when you ask Ryan and you quiz him on how many names he can guess. So it's kind of fun. So, go ahead. Okay. Osbeorn.

Okay. Uh, Little Lisa, Yukiko, Leanne P, Jackie P, uh, Robert I, Bob B, uh, Ramira, Rachin, uh, Raj C, Hamza B, uh, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, uh, I think about it. I just got to do something real quick. Shannon D Shannon D You don't get that one You don't get that Oh crap Um

CJP And How about Oh if I could just Jason W Jason W is correct Yeah that's 15 You give it up

Ryan has memorized 15 Patrons Top patrons That's pretty remarkable The trick would be Trying to remember 15 different ones

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