Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - CANDICE KING: Vampire Diaries Impact, Taking a Swing & Being Better at Not Being Great

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Candice King (The Vampire Diaries, After We Collided) joins us this week and is an open book - talking about her experience with the cast and crew of Vampire Diaries, how there is no ‘one size fits all’ approach with therapy, and the stress of shifting relationship dynamics like divorce. Candice shares stories about how the shows she’s been a part of have helped people during lulls in their lives and how a series can be that safe space for people. We also talk about curating your social media for positivity, not being afraid to show your flaws, and some totally not resentful closure on past flings. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧠Neurohacker: https://neurohacker.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. This has been a hectic week. You know, I don't know when this is going to air here, but. We do know it. Oh, yeah, this is going to air. We do know when this is going to air. Yeah. And this is actually airing right after I have done my live podcast.

So I can't wait to be talking about that. But I'm going to live in the moment. And I'm going to enjoy just being there with people and just laughing and talking to Zach. And I mean, people say, are you really nervous about it? I was so nervous when I did mine. I mean, sure, there are nerves. But it's more nerves about making sure everything is right. The sound.

The, you know, things that I can't control are the things you usually worry about. I know I can control, you know, talking to the audience. having some laughs, some questions to Zach, improvising. But you can't control everything. And you have to just sort of delegate, is that the right word? Yeah. Delegate those sort of things to the people who know what they're doing and hope that it goes smoothly. I hope, you know, what's the worst case scenario?

People, worst case scenario is like to go, yeah, it was really lame. And then they move on to the next thing. I hope that's not the case. I go, yeah, you know, that was pretty fun. It was cool. Yeah. I mean, it's a podcast. People will not hold as harsh scrudges as you think.

Really? I think that's a life lesson. Yeah, I think you're right. On the, yeah, more often than not. Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, I hope all is well with you guys. We have a great podcast today.

Candice King is here, and she's a freaking delight. You know, we went out a few times years ago. We talked about that, which I didn't think we would. But she's so open. And she has a podcast and I did it. It's amazing. We'll talk all about that stuff. And we talk about vampire diaries and we talk about a little bit about everything.

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slash inside of you if you want to join and support the podcast which i couldn't do this podcast without you couldn't do this podcast of that ryan ryan's here i'm here um yeah exciting stuff are you uh you're doing all right i'm doing okay yeah we why why i'm doing okay i'm doing okay i'm doing okay man just uh stress uh stressed out stressed out by by things in life and trying to cope with it and trying not to freak out, peel my skin off and ride in a hole. Well, what can you do? That's what we have to say. It's like, what

can I do about the stress that I'm feeling? If it's, if you can't do anything about it right now, then you got to shelve it. You're talking about that today. Shelving things. Shelving thing. If you can't control it and you can't change it, shelve it. It serves no purpose. You're thinking about

something that you can't change. So you're just like right now, I could sit here and go, oh my gosh, the live podcast. You know What if there's no t-shirt gun? But it did go well. Because we're in the future. We're in the future. So it did go well.

It did go well, Ryan. That's for sure. Thanks. Anyway, enjoy the podcast. Let me know what you think. I really appreciate you guys. And let's get inside of Candace King. It's my point of you.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How are you? You look the same as when I met you, I don't know, 15 years ago or? Yeah, it would have been that. Yeah, it would have been around 15 years ago. Thank you. I guess.

Yeah, how do you look so good? Is that Evian skin products, Evian? What is that? I'm obsessed with. skincare. I really am. I actually, I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, but I've only gotten Botox like two times, maybe three times in my entire life. And two of the times, it's gone completely wrong. Like, I'm jinxed. Like, God test me for my vanity and I just don't need a tester anymore. So I, uh, I really just stick to the skin creams and, and filters. You know,

you got to love a filter. I love a filter. Are you using a filter right now? Probably. And, but I wouldn't even know how to take it off. I don't know if there is one actually. But I did set up a nice light. I am in my new living room to be, you know, officially a living room eventually. So I strategically picked the colors on the wall. This is all, this is all on purpose.

I like it. I like it. Who's watching the kids right now? They're at school. I know. I have a seven year old and a two and a half year old. And so my two and a half year old is actually. actually in preschool now. So I'm like, actually, I know, but they're at school right now. I'm trying

to relieve some of my mommy guilt, but I feel like it's for them. But I'm going to see them later tonight because right when I get off this call with you, I'm going to head over. It's a very big week. It's been a big two weeks here in Nashville. There's been special sessions having to do with, you know, gun safety laws and just common sense gun laws here. So, you know, I'm going to go meet some gal pals over at the Capitol and just see what's up. Really? Just going after it. after it. Just going after. Why not?

They call up the people's house because you can just go there and watch what's happening. It's pretty cool. I love Bravo television, but now I'm like, hey, this is very entertaining.

Like anyone who's in a Bravo should just go to the Capitol building and see what's going on. You will be just as entertained, I promise you. I like this. I like this. You know,

I'm just going to, I'm just going to say it. I read something. It says, women that Michael Rosenbaum has dated. And I don't know why because I'm very secretive. and whatever but you and I went on one date 15 years ago and I think it was more than one date first of all well I'd like to say that but like you're the one who didn't call me back so I was like you know even when I was like hey I'd love to interview you I was like no I'm not but yeah I was like you know I thought it was a great date but you know obviously it didn't uh you know it takes two to tango but uh you know it says that I'm like well we only okay we went on a few dates but we

went to an event and I think people saw us at an event and so they assumed we were dating like you know oh they're serious a threaded event together but we were both kind of CWB you know and that work without three letters and so I think that's kind of you know what happened and that's why it always says Candace how do you say your last name your old last name? Well my my maiden last name is Ackola and then my even though I'm divorced I'm keeping my married last name is King. So it's Candace King. Yeah. It sounds better than Candice Akula or Candice King.

I know, I know. My dad, I'm like, I'm sorry, dad. It wasn't even, you know, my, my ex and I went the discussion of like, you could ask, like, are you keeping your name or not? And I just was like, dude, it's an upgrade. Like, it's a great last name. And we had a nice chuckle. So it's a good, it's a good solid name. And yes, my children bear the same name.

And so I should be using it for that instead of vanity. But, you know. Yeah. But Candice King just has a nice ring to it. But I'm curious, what article, what article said that where did you, was it written by Schmichael Schmozschmong? No, I mean, if you look up Michael Rosenbaum dating pass, it's got people on there that I don't even know. Like there's women on there that I've never met. What am I Seinfeld now?

What is, what's going on? Akula, King, Rosenbaum. No, I don't know, but it was like, and I saw your, and I was like, I wish I had dated her. We went, I think we went on like three dates. Okay. Because I remember, because you, you, I remember in particular that you were a very good date planner. And you've actually, and like my list of like top dates, like date experiences, yours is on there.

What? Yes. And I'd be very embarrassed if you're like, I didn't take you on that. No, I remember. I remember. I liked you. I thought you were adorable. But there was there was there was we went pup puck golfing I think one for one of them.

I think that was my last time doing it. And then my other, but the one that like really sticks out is it was my first time ever experiencing the Hollywood Bowl. And you took me to go see Carol King and James Taylor. And I got you a shirt. And you what? I got you a shirt. You got me a shirt. Yep.

You don't remember that. I remember that. I don't remember that. See, I mean, Carol King. I know. And it was such a great concert to the point where like James Taylor cried when he sang fire and rain. Carol King was like jumping up with the backup singers singing with them while James Taylor was. I mean, it was just it could not been like a better like it was awesome. Okay. So it was one of the best dates you could ever recall in your life. And then that was it. Now my my thought was and Ryan here who you can't see my engineer is probably thinking he said, something like well maybe she met this rock star right after or right during and then she was like oh rock star Rosenbaum I'm gonna go rock star no no it wasn't right out all right it just didn't feel right whatever the reason was but I wanted to bring it up is this why you wanted to bring me on here

no get closure have you been holding on to this is there like a voodoo doll of me and in your basement no I have nothing bad to say about you I was like she's a sweet talented awesome lady Lady, lady sounds kind of, I was a girl. Yeah, just a girl. I was a young lady. No, look, I think, we don't need to talk about it. I just want to bring it out. No, it's okay, you want to talk about it. Let's talk about it.

No, I, you're an open book. I like that. I am an open book. No, I feel like looking back, because I knew we were going to probably talk about this. And I thought about it. And I knew that we were just in different places. Like, you had been in the business for a while. you had like great success and and like and at a time when success came with like attention

and premieres and parties and like you know and events that is very different than it is now. You know, now like success is like it's people on social media. It was different then and you had already experienced this ride like on a network that obviously you know, you know because you were on it as well. it's a very specific experience because it's also like a young audience and and so and I was at the very beginning of mine I know I know I know you were just getting going I was just getting going and I could tell like things that I was excited about you were maybe already like like been there done that maybe like we're over you know what I mean oh so you were saying that I wasn't sharing

your excitement is what you're saying that's what you're saying this is you see this Ryan it was throwing back on me. I am always delighted and excited for people's success. But no, look, I get it 100%. I mean, we're in different places. I was in Vancouver. I was going back and forth, I think. It was just for whatever. It was a moment in time. It was nice. We had a great time. Something we remember, the James Taylor concert. You won't ever. Yeah. And the Pupput was fantastic. Yeah. I won. I'm sure of that. Probably. Probably. I don't hold back. Like, if I ever do things like that when I'm on a, if I'm on a date. And I haven't, and I haven't gone on tons of dates. I mean, I guess I have in my life. Well, I can check the list. I mean, when I research you, now I've got to

check your list of all the people. Just know that some of them aren't real. I think we're going to just go through every single person and be like, yes. No, y'all just give you signs, like a green sign and a red sign. Well, you know, it's funny is because now that I know you're an open book and you've got, you know, the podcast, Super Bloom and you talk about people's lives and their, you know, because we do that too we talk about mental health and we talk about life and journeys and it was like i shouldn't bring up the divorce thing right and the first thing you bring up is the divorce so but like you seem so together i guess it was amicable right i mean look i think that it is that that is for anyone who's ever experienced it um and what i'll say is just on the receiving end like when i realized like when i found

myself in the position of understanding what the word divorce really meant and not just emotionally, but also like the business of it. You know, it's just like it, there's a reason why it's on a list of like some of the most stressful things that also includes like moving, job loss, death. And even, you know, as an adult or reading stories or having people who have experienced great loss in their life when they talk about someone that they lose or, you know, know, the death of, like, friends of mine that have lost a parent, they'll also then get into, like, it's the business of dying that is just so taxing emotionally, which is, like, canceling out all the credit cards, you know, do, like, all these, like, day-to-day things.

The house. The house. And the... It's all the things. And so what was interesting is to find myself on the receiving end of a community of friends who had been through that experience and who were able to, you know, hold my hand through a lot of that. And I think that that's probably, like, it's just, it's no matter what. It's a, it's difficult. And we also, like, share children together, not just children from our own marriage, but I was very involved with my, you know, in watching my stepchildren grow up. And so it's like, you know, like, there, I don't, I feel like,

there is no one word that encapsulates what what divorce is it's um there's many words and it's a drag and it's a process i look i don't i don't think that there's one word that really encapsulates the entire process inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince i've told you this before i got this awesome sixty dollar cashmere sweater i wear it religiously you can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away.

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so they know I sent you. you don't wait download the rocket money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with michael rosenbaum rocket money yeah well i will say this i think that there's a pressure too i mean the way i look at it and maybe because i've just maybe i'm a little more cynical or maybe i look at things like hey most of the time when you go out with someone whether it's a great date at James Taylor or whatever you don't it ends 99% of those dates they're not the one and so when you finally found the one 50% of the time that doesn't work out so you know the chance is if you look at odds and you shouldn't when you're in love and you go hey this is this is it I'm living in the

moment I'm this I'm following my heart but the pressure of I'm in Hollywood I don't want to be one of those Hollywood actresses that get divorced and, you know, I want this to be forever. I always think if I'm going to do it, I want it to be my forever and I don't want to be like a statistic. But it's like, you have to know in the back of your head like, hey, you know, this is a long time. You're saying I do to someone for could be the next 50, 60 years of your life. And one of the chances that's going to work out.

I know that sounds kind of effed. But, you know, did you put pressure on yourself at all going, you know, I don't want to be that or did you not think about that stuff? Is this how you talk to girls on dates now? No, but I talk. Statistically, no, I know. But I do talk to my girlfriends who are like they put so much weight on things. And we all do. It's not just women, men as well. But like, hey, try to enjoy the moment. Try to enjoy the person and see what happens. But just know that most things don't work out the way you plan. So don't, don't project. Don't look into the future. Take everything one day at a time. And I know that's difficult. But anyway. Yeah, no, it's definitely difficult.

I think that there's also, you know, this is complete, this part is completely separate from me, but just you bringing up friends and like, and just the general experience. I think that there's also two biological elements to this. You know, there's also like don't put pressure, don't think in the future, but anyone, but if you are someone who is born with a uterus and who wants to carry or have a child or, you know, there is, there is, it's impossible. And this is for someone that wants children. I know that there are plenty of uterus owning people in the world who maybe not, you not want children. Do you say uterus owning? Yeah. If you have a, if you have a uterus, then you want to have a baby. Um, and I think that there are some, but if you do,

want to have a child, there is something to think about in the future. Like, if you have the ability and that's something that you want, then there is, there is, like, obviously looking into the future. And again, that's completely separate from my circumstance, but I just, like, I understand why, you know, you might have conversations with friends of yours who are women that are thinking like that. Right. But, but yeah, no, I think that like there's also so many different things that come down to it. I think it changes. Like, if you do think of it and consider it in like a present minded mode, you know, you start thinking about like if you, and if you do have children, like it affects other people as well. And

then there's also just the reality of relationships, you know, the ebbs and flows of any relationship may be like business, familial and romantic that there is not a period of time where you're just getting along all the time. You have to work on it. Yeah. And so I think that that comes into play too in any sort of long-term relationship is just, you know, you work on it and and you see what happens. But yeah, it's such a personal thing. And it's so specific to like there is no like one size fits all at all. Like there is things that work for friends of mine, even in just like friendships and and relationships where how I interact with some friends is going to be different into how I emotionally interact with other friends because those relationships call for, you know,

different things. Yeah. All right. That's my roundabout answer. I love it. I think it's very mature and it makes me look at things differently. Yes, being a uterus owning individual, I understand what you're saying. And I, maybe I don't understand what you're saying because why should I? I don't, I'm not uterus owning.

so but um you know what i'm saying i no no no i'm there are also women in the world who have who have their uteruses removed at different you know it's like there's so many if we could go into that conversation 10 million different ways i'm just saying if you are someone and you have like and you decide that you physically are able to carry a child because you and that you want to do that like you're going to project and think in the future of a timeline and um and of course then and then that gets into a whole route where if you don't have those organs there's a million ways that people can make families and create babies and so yeah but that's what i mean when i say that well it's very articulate you are you you you said it well not great i wasn't very good in

english um you know i see your instagram and it just looks like you have so much fun like you're at the Taylor Swift concert, you know, you're wearing your little outfits and you're with your friends and you're taking pictures and you're just enjoying life. Are you, do you feel like that you're trying to do that even more now to just sort of, I mean, have things changed? You went through this lull probably with the divorce and all these things you had to do, but are you trying to just go, hey, I need to get out there. I need to have fun. I need to enjoy life. Is that kind of the mentality? Oh my. No, I'm so, I feel very grateful. I've always been having that much fun. And also, I have tons of days where I'm not having fun, you know, and I'm very stressed and anxious. And I came home last night from just like a wonderful trip and I'm missing my babies and I can slather on the mom guilt and just wear it like a heavy backpack and look around a house I just moved into that, you know, I finally just got rid of the smell one place, but then this is broken and then that's broken. And there's a, like I can, you know, but I can look at the world that way and only look at the things that can be very.

frustrating. I also think that I can also see really wonderful, beautiful things. And there's also something to be said that Instagram and social media is just the highlight reel. We know that this is just a highlight reel. I'm not someone who errs my grievances. And that's just me. And I understand that for some people that that works for them. And I think that that's wonderful. You know why? Because I think that I think you're right. Nobody wants to see Debbie Downer, everything sucks, life sucks, because we all, life can suck for everyone. And so maybe that's why we get on the Instagram, but however, that being said, like, we want to see all the good things.

But that's why I think, you know, not to shoot my own horn, but like listening to podcasts where people have real conversations or your podcast or other many podcasts out there. But I think there's a place for Instagram. I think it, you know, obviously it's blown out of proportion. and everybody thinks that everyone lives the best life and there's this jealousy thing and I wish I have their life and I used to think that way and I have friends who are huge successful people way more successful than I am but I don't want their lives at all because everyone has their shit everyone has their shit and but I don't think you want to air that shit on a platform where

everybody could see it. It's okay to say, hey, I've been through this, blah, blah, I can relate that. But like, you know, but Instagram is that place where you go and you're like, oh, my gosh, that's funny. That's funny. That's hilarious. And you just, you know, and you just keep clicking for the next great thing. But every once in a while, all those happy things, then you hit something like something really sad. And you're like, oh, my God. That's tragic. And then you just go, another thing. And now that's funny. And you just, it's just back. I don't know what I'm talking about. But anyway, but I think it's generational too. I think like that our generation wants to see the happy things.

You know, we were part of the kind of the birth of this social media app where people were just, you know, first it was Twitter and just updating like happy, quirky, funny thoughts. And, you know, that's funny that that's where it started. And then now it, and then Instagram started with just photos. And it's, you know, turned into other things. I think for like a younger generation might see it as an. opportunity to feel less alone. But then just parallel to that, they could also see it as an opportunity to feel more lonely because they don't see themselves in the videos that are being

curated to them and it's making them feel bad. So it is like you have to pick and choose. You have to it's kind of like like a radio station. Like you have to go through the radio like or for the children listening if there are any. It's kind of like your Spotify playlist. You got to like go in and curate your own playlist that's going to make you feel really good. Because I mean, it gets it can get to the best of us, too. I mean, I've definitely gone on social media and had that feeling of like, oh, wow, look, look what's happening. I've had that fomo of, you know, and fallen into the comparison pitfalls of. That's the worst.

It's the worst. It is. And that is also, I think, something that's really, like, not to say that there isn't anyone who in various other industries, but I would imagine it's pretty heightened. in the film and television, anyone who's an actor has definitely felt that way. And it's really hard to stay in your own lane, you know?

And like, it's like for, it's stuck with me, but I always think of it. Like, I don't know where I read or saw this. But the idea of like, you know, if you're a swimmer and you're swimming in your lane, if you constantly are just looking over

at what everyone else is doing and what their time is, you're just slowing yourself down. Hang on though. See, in my mind, I'm like, oh, fuck, I got to pick it up. That guy's beating me. I got to get to that finish line before that dude that's funny no it slows me down it shuts down

my creativity I go well that person's already doing that so I might as well it's like Chris Hemsworth he's doing more squats on Instagram what am I doing oh my god I got I gotta start doing and I'm like no you don't you don't need to look at you're first of all genetically you're just not crimson Hensworth crimson Hensworth you're just not that guy hensworth by the way are you Are you friends with Taylor Swift? No. Why? But you're friends with Miley Cyrus?

No. No, I worked for her. I was a backup singer on one of her tours. I know. I find that fascinating. She's worked with. Yeah. But we know a lot of the same people.

But I haven't run into her in years. But oh my gosh, she has this beautiful new song out. That's what my sister, Jess is telling me about this new song. And I go, ah, I don't know if Miley Cyrus, I listen to Chicago and like, you. know, the cure and stuff like that. And well, James Tud, but, you know, I don't, I don't really listen to Molly Sites. But when I've listened to her, she's got a great voice and stuff. Should I listen to the song? Yes. No, you should. And you should watch her, her video of it. It's very beautiful. It basically just is like, which I've had this conversation on repeat with so many of my friends in my

30s, especially like female friends who are looking back on like our late teens and our early 20s with such grace who for these like young versions of ourselves that we may have judged really hard for a long time like it it took me a long time to just not feel embarrassed or ashamed at um so many parts of of who I was when I was in my like late teenage years especially and my early 20s and just really kind of and it's it's been really freeing to now all of a sudden look back at this like young girl and just tell her like you you were doing great like you know don't listen to everyone else and you're like you're just you're figuring it out and it's okay to figure it out and it's okay to make mistakes and it's okay to be loud and it's okay to be quiet and it's okay

to ask questions um and so I feel like listening to her song it was just this beautiful you know musical kind of part of that conversation that I've had with so many women lately And also, she's just always had an amazing voice, even when she was 14, and I was lucky enough to be backing her up. Although I noticed, like, did you notice all those Instagrams when she's talking? And she's like, well, I was like doing it. And then they cut into a frog doing it, like going. Well, I haven't seen those. It's pretty funny.

I mean, she doesn't talk like that. But everybody wants to make fun of everybody. People make fun of me all the time. It's just the way it is. Hey, did you ever experience like now? Do you, did you ever deal with, you haven't seen this video? I'm like so nervous by this conversation. I'm like, I'm an open book.

I'm so vulnerable. No, no. No, I know. This is great. No, I like I said, yeah, good. I hope you're, you know, you'll enjoy this. And when I come on yours, you can ask me anything. I like, honestly, I know more people listen to yours than mine, though.

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We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. The second I started talking about real feelings and not being, you know, trying to be funny and trying to i just you know sort of i'm just the i i never had pictured myself like a like a celebrity or like you know i never always felt like i never belonged so you know and i'm talking to people there is that excitement there is that but how do you do that how do you navigate through that how do you deal like i was going to ask you how do you deal with uh i mean have you dealt with anxiety or depression and what did you do to get over that or what do you do to um work on that um i

I wouldn't say that I've ever been clinically depressed, and I think that it's easy. You know, I'm glad that everyone talks more about the feelings of anxiety and depression, but also recognizing that there is very clinical versions of those experiences as well. And so, you know, I've been in therapy since I was 18. I've been out of therapy. What got you in the therapy? What got you in? I had a friend. She was like one of my best friends in L.A. when I was a teenager. She was like the first friend that I really made there. And she was in therapy. And she was struggling with, she was struggling with some mental health. And so I realized that I was feeling overwhelmed. And I was like, well, she's into it. So maybe I'll try it. And then I got in there and I was like, oh, this is awesome. This is great. It just started connecting all these dots of, um, It made sense of things that I couldn't understand and took the weight off of me just that it was like it's me. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me. Which I think is also important to acknowledge when it is you. But then also it helped me give grace in situations to try to understand and hold people accountable. I think that's another thing it helped me do is that it helped me hold myself accountable. But it also gave me permission to hold other people accountable. And as kind of like a

type a perfectionist people pleaser, it can be, that can be hard for me to do. Don't you want like a therapist, like my therapy session last week goes, do this. It was the first time I've ever heard like most therapists go, well, what do you think about that? Well, what do you want to do about that? And the answer is right there in front of you. I should stop doing that. I should, uh, I shouldn't snack at night as much as I do. That's why I feel like, you know, crap here in the morning.

I mean, that's a bad example. But what do you snack on at night? I think that's more important. Well, I just bought a movie theater thing, like popcorn maker. I love popcorn, like nobody. And I make the best popcorn there is. Like, it's dangerous. And I, uh, I love it.

I love it. But I always feel the next day I'm just dragging for a couple hours. Yeah. Because it's just like, I guess, all the salt and all the, but I got to stop it. So I'm trying to slow down there. But what I'm saying is like those, those things that you don't, like a lot of people think, I don't need therapy. I just, I'm fine.

My life's fine. But you could also make your life better and you could understand certain things that you do. You do for a reason. And if you don't like the things that you do, you can change them. And when you were talking about, you know, things that you look back in the past and you shame yourself and you're like, oh, I did this. I'm a bad person. I regret that.

It's all these things. And when you start talking about them, you realize like, we don't, we're not born into this world and we just are all perfect we're we're all flawed and that's just a reality and you are going to do things that you know you look back and you go oh my god if anybody knew that they would think i'm just not a nice person or if i'm not but you know you're it's it's all about the um it's all about the end game right like if you evolve that's the goal is to evolve to not be that's the win that's the win so you know if you know i was a certain way when i was younger it's it's not who i become today and who i'm becoming it's um so therapy has taught me a lot about how to you know

love myself how to like myself to you know to look in the mirror and go hey dude you're a good guy you're a good guy you do good things sometimes you're dick right you didn't need to say that you You need to say the dick part. You just say you love yourself and, you know, do you, do you do, are you good to yourself? Do you love yourself? I know that's a very, I know you've probably talked about it already, but just so I have context. When did you start going to therapy? How old were you?

Right after you didn't go out with me again, I think. No, no. Everybody's like, oh, shut up, Rosenbaum, enough with that. No, honestly, I think I went through this breakup where it was my fault and I tried to get her back. and it didn't happen and I just it was devastating and I know that I caused it it was my fault and so I one of my friends suggested is like you should talk to someone I'm like well what are they going to I know what am I going to do I went there and break oh poor me but no but people go through this this is what you have to you need it's nice to talk to someone objectively and

just say hey I feel this emptiness I don't want to do anything I lost my appetite i i i can't stop i'm obsessive thinking about this and you know and i know i was never i've never been the guy where i was like ever checking up on someone or showing like not weird shit it was just in my head i just felt like shit you carried it yeah i carried it and i took a while to get rid of that and just talking to someone for an hour and i a lot of times ryan here i got him into therapy but you know we we think i don't want to go fine i don't want to talk i'm not move i'm gonna cancel this i'll eat the hundred bucks or whatever the fuck it is and i'll just i'm not gonna do it today i don't i have nothing to talk about and then all of a sudden you you start

talking and uh all of a sudden you're like holy shit i got five minutes left i still want to get into this i want every time you're you just letting things out kind of clears a little bit of that you know a little bit of your mind so you know and i'm a natural talker i can go i can i can i had to also realize that I can, like there's certain, like I was, I would lean on friendships a lot. And so that's where I also had to, you know, check myself in adulthood is really making sure I had a place where I could go that also wasn't like, oh, let me release all this weight that I'm carrying and be like, here, you organize it. Yeah.

You know, you re-condo it for me, you know, where I had to kind of take responsibility and do that. So it didn't affect other friendships and relationships of mine. But the other thing I'll say that I always like to say for anyone that listens and is like, well, I'm never going to go to, or I tried therapy once and it didn't work out for me is like it's not what that's not one size fits all either. You know, it is you if you go to a therapist and you don't like the way they do therapy, like you should always make a few appointments. Like, you know, a lot of therapists will offer like a potentially a free introduction, you know, Or change therapist. If you don't feel the vibe, just change it.

Change therapist. It's not your fault if it doesn't work out. No. And if they're a good therapist, they should say, like, absolutely, like, let me know if you need any recommendations, hope you find someone. Anyone who tries to guilt you into staying, like, it was usually not a good. No, I had one guy. I left him years ago. I went to him probably a handful of times.

And because one of my friends went to him. He's like, he's really good. And it's like the third session The guy's like Eating a Subway sandwich While he's talking to me in the room He's just eating a subway sandwich I'm sorry I haven't had lunch

Are you okay with that? I'm like, do I have a choice? Do you have a choice? Well, you're hungry What am I going to say no And then it's awkward for the next hour But you're just you're picking out On this fucking sandwich

Do you have to put so much mayo on there It's on your fucking lips So yeah No one looks professional eating a Subway sandwich It is no No No Were you

blown away by the success of Empire Diaries were you like because that was like the first big boom right and I mean were your parents blown away

and I wanted to talk about your parents and see if they wanted you to get in acting and be like oh you don't I don't know if you should do this

but they knew you were talented you were always singing you're always doing these things but did you were you surprised by the enormity of it

I remember I knew that I was a part of something special. I had never done a pilot episode of anything. I had tested for pilots. And so I was very green. And I just remember at many group dinners after hours. And everyone who I had admired in the industry for a really long time,

who I am lucky enough to consider friends now, I just remember them Like they had this like look of like Christmas morning on their face like there's something special happening And so I didn't I didn't know what it was, but I wasn't scared I just knew that like this was going to be fun And you had 171 episodes you did more you did more episodes and I did eight Well I didn't do the full ones but but just the success of the you know of the series itself um you know it's really incredible and i know you you feel that when you you do conventions

as well and and you know it's interesting i feel like there's like what comic cons and conventions used to be back in the day are very different than what they are right now um one i think just because more people participate in them on both sides um from all walk it's not just like a niche kind of genre thing um and also like like I think that this generation of consumers of like entertainment consumers, like they want a piece of like what they're seeing and they want to like, you know, to have the opportunity, like having the all access on like social media and seeing, you know, there is no like secret version of like, I just read like Evelyn Hugo, the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo and it's a wonderful book. That's on your Instagram. I just posted it today. Yeah, I noticed it today and I was like, nah.

It's so good. I finished it last night. I like it. But it's really good. But it's all old Hollywood. And so and there is no my point. There's no like secret life. There's, you know, people make sure that they have a connection with the viewers. So, but all that to say, it's really, it is wild.

It is wild. I wouldn't say I was surprised. But I was surprised that I was part of it. When you go to convention. do you ever have fans that are emotional or talk to you about like how it changed their life or it meant so much to them because I have that which is pretty freaking profound to have someone say you know your show saved me I'm like come on I mean I know the song on the show was somebody saved me but like how did how did a show like this save you you know in my mind

they don't say it like come on what's wrong with you but like when they start telling me like this is what my dad and I watched and my dad passed but I always had these memories and when I went through a hard time I'd go back and I'd watch these and whatever it was and it just like blew me away how something that seems so trivial um you know we get paid to make pretend and then people coming up to you and saying these things it really had an impact on me and it still has an impact but I'm sure you've gotten that 100% um and it is a lot of uh parents and children or some people who've lost significant people in their life and that would enjoy a show together. And also, you know, being a part of a, of something that was rooted in

grief, you know, that, you know, while some I think could argue that it was rooted in love, a lot of it was rooted in grief and loss. So I get that a lot of it. lot. Um, and, and also I totally get it. You know, like I, um, I, gosh, what I, I told this. I was at the airport this like two years ago. And I was, and there was someone walking by, she was a flight attendant and she came back with someone else, like one of her coworkers. And she just started crying about like this loss that she had experienced in her life. And, she had gotten so depressed and a relationship that it ended and and she just started to cry and said you know she was so alone and she

but she could watch you know a show every single night and know that like she could come home to that and then I start crying because I said and she's like I know you probably think I sound crazy I'm like no you're not crazy at all um I have the same thing like I have those same feelings and I have shows that I come home to and that I know if I need to cry or if I need to laugh or like bouts of insomnia that I can just like leave my computer on and it plays in the background. And so and I've also learned that like I feel really grateful to have learned like that it's such a waste of time to be cool. Like all the cool people in the world are really like the fans. You know what I mean? Like people who are willing to be fanatic about something that

they love. That's cool. And without any shame. or like guilt or like this is embarrassing no it's not like it shouldn't be embarrassing to like celebrate something that brings you joy that should not be embarrassed but like and i'm talking about very simple things you know what it like but things that are like a show or a movie or a universe of or a book or whatever or a book or a musical artist you know like that's okay and it makes you feel like you're doing your job i mean you know a lot of times we do i mean look i i've done a lot of shit man i mean just when i and i call it shit like not not good you know product out there and i've done some great stuff and so you whatever but that's it's called a job you're working it's a job but

sometimes you do something that sometimes you do something that impacts people and i think it's great were you did you get along with everybody on the set was it always just one big happy family where there's a couple of people, you're kind of like, I do not want to work with this guy. It was like, what's funny is I was just, I was at the lake with,

with Julie Plect and in Atlanta and also Karina McKenzie and they're incredible writers. Julie is writer showrunner and Karina as well has gone on to also, she was a writer on I always forget like what

because we're still on strike. So I'm trying to be respectful of not like mentioning exact things. Yeah, we can't talk about future. But people who I've worked with. And so, but we were just talking about like, and then someone else who was a,

who was one of our AD's assistant directors for many, many years was there as well. And one of our camera operators, we were just having like a little like catch up. And it was just so we were just laughing at how often it would be like midnight, you know, on a Friday. and we'd all be like, all right, well, where are we going?

Like, we don't, like, want to keep hanging out together. See, that's- We always hung out together. We're still hanging out together. Even the guys and girls are just the girls. No, no, these are, like, guys and girls. Like, I, especially the conventions are really helpful as far as, um, as far as, like, on other actors. Like, I mean, me and like a whole group of the guys just like, we're literally, we'd be

like, all right, I'll see you in a couple weeks and, you know, this city and Berlin or wherever we were last year in Liverpool and we like I plan all the dinners because you know someone's got to be the planner and the mom of the group and I'm too much of a type A personality to just go to any restaurant that isn't that great so I would rather make the reservations like months ahead of time. You know it's funny because the last thing I wanted to do on Smallville was hang out with anybody in the cast or it's all we did no like it wasn't So funny. I know. I've heard this from other. No, no. No, it wasn't like we didn't like each other. But when you're working 12, 15 hours a day, a lot of us were, mostly Tom. Tom was very honest. I don't want to see you. I have two days off. I don't want to see you. And like, I totally get it. Seinfeld again. But you know, that's. But I, but like now it seems like after years have passed, we had a real respect for each other. And now we go to cons. Tom and I have become really close friends. We have. the other podcast Talkville and Kristen and I, who is Lana, she and I are really cool. And we love

seeing each other. We love spending time together now. It's like we, now that we've grown up a little bit, well, they have. But, you know, so, but it's nice because you hear a lot of horror stories. So, and there's a lot of youth going on in your show. So I figured there was a lot of, like, cool and angst and this and that. And look, we, it's with any, I mean, high school is four years this was eight like you know like eight years i wasn't popular though in high school i wasn't either you weren't i left high school you what do you mean you left high school i left halfway through my junior year and graduated through correspondence really yeah why why did you do that did you do because you because you're acting in your music to become an international pop star how did your parents feel about

How did your parents feel about that? They were great. They were incredibly supportive, actually. My dad's a cardiovascular surgeon, and my mom worked for a very long time as an environmental engineer. And so for them to both succeed in their fields, to them, that was like their version of becoming international pop stars. So they also, they always supported me as I, I mean, I did vocal lessons. I started a girl group. I like got a band together.

I'd like, you know, I was always instigating everything. And then I had gotten a development deal in L.A., which was the thing that they used to do, where basically kind of like sponsor an artist and, you know, pay for their sessions with other writers and producers. Or I don't even know if they were paying at that point if all these people who were writing with me or were just showing up because you just hope. something comes from it but they basically um and then i was able to make a demo and it was shopped and this was uh so i left halfway through my junior year to with a development deal and then within six months i had a record deal and a publishing deal so my parents let me stay that's just insane it's so silly do you love music and i'm like that's insane do you love music more than acting do you would you rather

be a like if somebody said would you rather be a rock star or an actor i'd say rock star i'd rather be If I had, you know, and I have a band and we play and we do, we don't try to be rock stars. We're just, I write all the music and Rob and I just work well together and we love to play virtual live and we played some out and we have two albums and we just enjoy it and love it and there's a passion. And do you still have that passion for music? I know now you're a mom, you're a mom and you've got all the stuff going on. Do you still like, because you've had albums, you've had success. I mean, a lot of success. But do you want to continue, do you want to continue music?

Do you want to still kind of keep writing and playing? No, I haven't written in a very long time. Why? I have a very complicated relationship with like music when it involves me. I love music. I am staring at my record player in my handful of records that are like that I've kept away from my moving boxes and I'm so excited to get that back going. I bought a piano just so I could hear the sound of my children like slamming their fingers into it.

I just love that noise. God, you like that noise. I love it. I love it because they're just there because I always, I spent so long, like one of the things I kept saying in this last year, which could bring me down a whole other tangent. So I will attempt not to do that. But that I, like last year, my entire personality became golf and it kind of became like a joke for a while. Wow. I love golf.

You're playing golf? Well, I was playing golf. It's a bigger, longer story. But I accidentally became like a golfer. And but I was not, but I'm not good at it. Nobody's good at golf. I mean, but I'm not great at it. And so I was trying to be, but what I wanted to do was be better at being, like being good at not being great at something.

Like that is what I really wanted to be better at. And I remember being like, I want. my kids to be able to just play messy keys on a piano and not have to be like, no, this sounds good and this sounds bad. Because when you're creating art, like I would just be paralyzed by like a white piece of paper. And if I started something that I had decided like wasn't the way it was supposed to turn out, I'd be like, well, then what's the point? And I just like, I want to create an environment in which like, you know, there is no like one sound of, and they'll find it. Like, I wish I'd had that to just be able to, like, play a bunch of keys and wonder, like, how does this sound?

What is this? And be curious as opposed to so constricted. I love what you just said. And what I interpret that as is for me, it's always, I'm playing softball tonight. I've got to be great. I've got to hit a home run. I've got to be the star. I'm going to play anything.

We played cornhole the other night. I got to freaking show up. everybody. I'm a cornhole master. I'm going to write a great script. You're putting so much pressure on yourself and you're not enjoying things that you're like, I have to be perfect. And the reality is you can't be. So if you could just enjoy things that you're not really great at, but you enjoy doing them and watching your kids just mess up and learn that it's okay to just be stupid and playful and happy. And I think that's because we put so much pressure on ourselves. And the world, we feel like the world puts pressure that we have to like if we put something out there oh it has to

sound great it has to be because that we have to compete we have to show that we're just as good and what i gather is that you're saying in a lot of ways you want to just be able to not put as much pressure on yourself and just enjoy things yes and not to say that there aren't things that i want to win at and that i that i consider myself to be good at and have a level of expectation of how I should operate within that field or experience. But also in things that like I'm not a professional golfer, I'm picking it up. I mean, like I, it all comes back to, I keep getting just so many jokes about how like so often in this last year, I'm like, I went to Scotland last October and had this like life-changing

trip. But, but I did. And I found myself playing like, I wasn't playing the old course, but I was in St. Andrews. And I hadn't golfed in years. And I was alone and just showed up. I, you know, hired a caddy. And he was like, all right, you ready? And then I didn't even have time to warm up.

And I'm on Jubilee. And it's one of the windiest days of the year. And I was like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know what I'm doing. And he was just like, oh, just hit the damn ball. And I was like, okay. And sometimes you just got to hit the damn ball. Yeah.

Might not go straight. It might go all over it. But just hit the hit the damn ball. Or just take a swing. And him and I had a great time. His name is Dr. Tom. He also happens to. to do sports. Dr. Tom.

Did he have an accent? Did he have a really thick score? He was just like, he was the best. Sometimes he just got to hit the ball. And honestly, I had the best freaking day of my life. It was just so fun and it was so beautiful. And if I decided that this wasn't something that I was good at or a place that I wasn't shouldn't be at, you know, or that it's only for like really. It's like in, you know, it was just so silly to even have thought that. And it was just, it was wonderful. so sometimes you just got to get out there and hit the damn ball you heard her hit the damn ball folks or just take a swing even if you don't hit it you swung yeah pick up the club just pick up the club yeah that's a it's a it's a yeah it's not it's uh what was i going to say to you um do you still love acting do you still want to act yeah i really do i really really do i'd had a period where I wasn't working very much. And just home with the family more.

I'd also had a second child during COVID. And I went back to it. And I had two different jobs. One was like getting back to it and just, you know, four months after I'd had a baby and, and, you know, just to kind of work a little bit.

And it was, and it felt nice. I liked like having that. that part of my identity, you know, kind of awakened. And then to go back to work, and then I worked again a little bit more last year. And it was just nice to, you know, have things that I was nervous of whether I was going to be good at it,

but, like, know that I could be good at it and do the best that I could. And I really do love it, though. I love being on a set. I love a scene partner. I love, you know, making sense of something, like understanding a character and understanding like what makes someone else across from me in the scene, like what their triggers are, what their buttons are and trying to push them and see if I can get to them.

And I just also love storytelling. Like, I love TV. I love TV. TV is my favorite person in the world. I have so many shows that I watch. I also do watch a lot of reality. TV. So I like that is also I know with that but that's I think it's very interesting like current character development from these reality TV stars is very interesting to watch.

You know it's funny. I I sold a reality series because I'm a big fan of horror movies like I love scary stuff. And so my friend John Heater who's who's Napoleon Dynamite. We sold the show where we're just two guys going to the scariest places on earth to like idiots so where we go to like the catacombs of paris and transylvania castles and like stuff and just like it's just our personalities and we love horror and we love scary so really think of some so it's something like i never would do that but i'm like wait a minute you love scary stuff you love you're going to hang out with your friend why can't you just go do that what so i mean it's not like i'm doing milf island did you see that Watch that one.

Oh, my God. So all these milfs. I know, I know. I have a problem with that. Like, the name itself. No. That was also a joke name on a different show. It was a 30 rock joke.

It was a 30 rock joke. Yeah. Look, my friend Nate, I was in Indiana and I picked him up to go dinner and I go, hey, man, you got some sleep lesson or something. And he goes, no. I go, okay, he's not a man in many words. And I go, what did you do? He goes, well, I watch this show called Milfire. and I go milf island he's like yeah all the women are milfs and then all of a sudden they bring

in all these 21 year old guys who are their kids so now all the milfs and the yeah the kids are no i mean it was i had to watch i had to it was just so i couldn't believe what we and you know it's funny it was on the fucking learning channel candace how is that how are you learning I mean, I think we should all learn that we don't need that show. Maybe that's that. Or maybe they're just studying to see who watches that show and what they can learn from that data. I don't know. All right.

Look, this is called shit talking, shit talking with Candace King. I'm going to ask you questions from my top tier patrons. So go to patreon.com slash inside of you and get to ask questions and a bunch of other cool shit. All right. Leanne says, do you believe in the supernatural and have? Have you had any experiences along those lines? I believe that there's, I don't know if like, I don't want to piss off the ghosts of my house. But yeah, I definitely believe that there's something.

You know, I definitely feel I've lived in a lot of old places. And I've had a lot of people say that the places I've lived in feel like there's, they might say ghost or spirits or. vibes um i keep i have this running joke right now that the ghost of my house that i just moved into it's almost a hundred years old and that they they like my kids they're very nice to my kids so there's nothing like scary going on there but they're just like really fucking with me and like just trying to like show me who's boss really i don't know like some cabinetry almost fell on my head in the kitchen that i'm trying to renovate like every time i turn around like I had like a like bees in a tree like there was a smell but I but I also just got all there

vans cleaned out and so that took away that but there's always like little things and I don't know I never pay attention enough to like see if they're like like did I leave that cabinet and drawer open or was that just there I don't know but I'm used to it at this point you're thinking about but sure I feel like it is a running joke now that I've never lived anywhere that didn't have like spirits of the history of the house but I think I'm winning them over yeah I think that they like my renovation ideas and they know that like i'm laughing with them and i also like i think that they honestly part of it was i was playing a lot of taylor swift and now that i'm like post eras tour they've had it and it's i've like slowed it down my t swift in the house and i feel

like they've calmed down a little bit i think that they're just like you got to switch it up got to switch it up rage tell me about a recent time you someone helped you out oh my right through the divorce right you were talking about that well yeah but like also just, you know, just, even just like moving into this house, I mean, it's, I haven't, like, the amount of people who have just supported me, like my friend who also was my realtor, like, she's helped introduce. It's just been this wonderful sense of community that I've found here in Nashville. And I've been so grateful. And so to feel just like, you know, people checking in and people just, um, being like, hey, how's the move going? Can it? Like, when you move, no matter what,

you have like so many people help out. And also, you know, I, you know, co-parent, um, but also when my kids are with me, they're with me. And so to have friends that are willing to come by and, and, you know, like one of my friends, she was visiting in town. We've known each other since we were 16. And I was like, I, you know, it's a school night. I can't go out. And, but I can make you dinner here. And so she comes here and is playing with my kids and we're catching up. And, And she's having dinner while, like, you know, one's doing gymnastics and another one's, like, throwing dinner on the floor on the floor. And she's just, it's like that kind of love and support is really beautiful at this point in life.

I grew up in Newburgh, Indiana, which is about two hours from Nashville. And I played hockey in Nashville. I love Nashville. I mean, Nashville is pretty banging city. Yeah, I love it. Do you think I like Nashville? I thought about it. That's one of those places that I've considered, like, if I moved, I'd go to Nashville.

Would I like it? I don't know. I don't know what you like. Oh, good. Michelle L. Who inspires you? Who inspires me? What's the first thing that came to your mind just now when I said that?

My kids and Lucille Ball. You love Lucille Ball. My mom loves Lucille Ball. I love Lucille Ball. I was just like I love Lucille Ball. And also just reading rereading that book like that or just reading the Evelyn Hugo book. I was thinking a lot of just, you know, her career and just how much she, like, the fact that Lucio Ball, like, created her whole, like, she created how we watch television, the three camera

structure. I mean, her and Desi Arnaz, but like, but the fact that them together and that even after they, like, they divorced and they separated, like, he still came back to do all of the shows. Like Vivian Vance worked with her on her later show. like it's just really incredible what they did. And she also succeeded later in life. I mean, she was, you know, like mid to late 30s, I think, when I Love Lucy started. Wow. It's just incredible. I'm just so in awe of Lucy and Lucy and Desi, Desilu productions and

is the whole story. But also, I just, I love watching. I love Lucy. And like the Mink Coat episode cracks me up too because she's kind of like, she's actually. actually not the funny one like everyone like she's kind of more the like everyone else is messing with her and where she's usually the one messing with everyone else but jessica b when was the last time you surprised yourself last time i surprised myself i think i saw something behind you too i think i saw something like i don't know if my eyes were playing tricks on me but when you were saying all that supernatural stuff i thought i saw something but maybe it's nothing it was outside maybe oh it's a flag there's like a flag kind of creep me out of

I was like, oh, my God. Did I just see that after she, well, we captured something here. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is amazing. The last time I surprised myself was, I think in parent, in mothering, I surprised myself a lot. Like, I find myself in situations where I'm just like, oh, gosh, this is, this is a moment. And not like, and I just need to take a deep breath and, like, walk through this, you know, talk through this moment very slowly.

but I surprised myself as a mother a lot. I don't know. That's what popped into my own. I like that. That's sweet. Eternal Flame and also Voices Carry. Voices Carrey is one of my favorite songs. You know that song?

Not you, Candace. Ryan, do you know that? Eternal Flame. No, do you know Voices Carrie? Hush, hush. Keep it down now. Voices Carrie No

Shut up I love when she says Shut up You know what I'm talking about Candice? Yes So Voices Carey I recorded when I was 17 And it was actually

It was not my doing I was not that cool It was my producer Stacey Jones who had mentioned it Stacey's awesome Stacey's who got me the, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what are you doing on your phone? I wasn't, I wasn't doing anything.

I wasn't going to look up your song. I was just playing the original. Oh, playing the original. Yeah, because you don't want to hear that. Look. Anyway, that's a, you know what? No, I still don't. It's a great, it's a great song.

I did not, I wish I was that cool when I was 17 years old. But that's my only attachment to it is like the, that. recording it then. And then Eternal Flame, I performed on the show. And that was also not my... Were you nervous in front of the crew and cast? Yes. And also that was not...

I just remember getting a text one night. So I was like, I was out at dinner. And I remember, I think it was like, Julie and Kevin text me and we're just like, hey, remember how you said you were a singer? Like, are you good? Or like, can you sing for real? Or was that just like,

like, I don't, they were just like, can you sing? And I was like, yeah, I think I can. Um, and then they put it in the show. And, and I just was like, oh gosh. And I even just like going. But what's, what is fun is I did get to go. I ended up back at the studio where, um, I recorded my record when I was 17. So it was like very kismet that like one of their,

kind of producing partners who also like co-rented the studio with them who I had known back when I was a teenager too like he was the one doing the session and so I literally um and went back to that studio where I used to record when I was 17 years old and and recorded that part which was very fun um but I also like never thought I would do it again they were like well it's it's weird to have like supernatural beings and then one of them just randomly sing so we probably won't do that again. I was like, who, okay, good. And then a couple years later, it was like every other episode. I was like, what are we doing here, guys? This is my nightmare. I do not enjoy this. I don't like this. Like, please stop. And eventually. Hey, you know, I think you have a great voice. I think

you should. Well, thank you. I think you should keep singing. In fact, we're working on our next album. And if I have something in there, would you, would you record something even if it's like a backup or something i will support you finding a wonderful artist out there you don't want to sing you wouldn't want to sing on it at all just a little hey i'm just not there yet and i don't know when i'll be there my kids hear me sing all the time what if you listen to a song you're like you know i really like that song and i could do this this is easy if you just want this like you know then you can say let's not say no just yet let's keep it up in the air perfect what's your favorite james taylor song any sweet baby

James just came into my mind, but I know that's probably, that's not my favorite at all time. Well, this has been awesome. I'm glad. I'm doing yours too. I know. Super Bloom. Super Bloom, a super bloom podcast wherever you listen to podcast. It's been fun. I honestly, I do love it so much because it gives me a reason to reach out to people that I'm like a super fan of that I would never normally talk to. And, you know, I, like, even sitting down, like, with, I got to, like, hang out with Emily Henry, who I love her as an author and, you know, which I would never normally do. And then also, I, like, there's this really cool woman who she's a glaciologist. And so to be able to talk with her about how she's, like, traveling the world and just chasing history as it melts away to have a better understanding of, you know, where, where we all came from. before it's gone forever. It's like,

I love talking about that kind of stuff. It's my favorite thing. So there's all kinds of conversations, but it, you know, and that's,

it's really my excuse. If you listen to Super Bloom, you're getting just like a snapshot of my mind in all, and my browser history of all the little like spirals I go down.

I'm nervous. What are you going to ask me? Ooh, so much. Now I'm ready. I'm glad you got to go first this was all part of the plan great yeah i have a feeling where this is going to go i guess my mind takes me somewhere well i love talking you i feel like i could talk to you forever you're just awesome you're just so easy to talk to you i love like you're such a i could tell what an amazing mom you

are an amazing friend and you're super talented and i'm just happy and proud of you and um you're going to stay in Nashville you just bought this hundred year old haunted house so you're probably not going to move to la los angeles anytime soon nope i'm here i got to i got to hang out with my ghost. I can't leave them. You know, they need my company. They have names? No, no. Let's name them. Let's name them. I know, well, no, I don't want to anger them. I'm not trying to, they need to tell me their names, but I know that I feel like there's two. Uh, this has been awesome. Uh, I'll see you in a week or so, right? Don't do too much deep thinking on this one. I'm going to start typing on my computer right now. I'm screwed, guys. You got to go listen to it. Super Bloom. Candice King. Uh, thanks for

being here. I appreciate you. Thanks. Thank you. Beautiful inside and out. So pleasant. And I was like, man, I would have totally married her. You know, she's that kind of presence where I just felt like she's got a good soul. She's smart. She's beautiful. She's just, you know, and she was very open and like forthcoming. And I always dig that. So Candace, you're, uh, you're, uh, you're, uh, you're, uh, You're top notch with me. Thank you for being on the podcast. I really do appreciate it. Now we've had two Vampire Diary cast members.

Now we just need the Summerholder. Yeah. From the Summerhold Institute. We were talking about him a lot on the other podcast. I wonder if he'd do it. He might be big time, too big time. I'm going to start tweeting and go, you're too big time. I bet you'd come.

You do? Yeah. I don't know. I think we have the same lawyer. So I'm going to talk to my lawyer. There you go. All right. Thanks for listening.

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