Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - CASPER VAN DIEN: Starship Troopers Resurgence, Defending Ironside & Leaving Bootcamp for Hollywood

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Casper Van Dien (Starship Troopers, Sleepy Hollow) joins us this week to share how he changed course from his military upbringing to pursue his dream of acting, and how his career has come full circle with the lives he’s impacted through this work. Casper shares a lot from his experience with Starship Troopers - from the marketing stunts that weakened it in the box office, to the industry legends who geek out over the project, and why there’s a resurgence in its popularity nearly three decades after its release. We also talk about what it’s like having a daughter pursue acting, his Ironside mentorship, and memorable moments on set with legends like Ernest Borgnine. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠 Qualia: http://qualialife.com/IOU 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I met Casper and his daughter, Grace, at a con, and just hit it off with both of them. Wonderful people. And I was always a big fan of Starship Troopers. And I love his attitude. Boy, what a great attitude. He loves just working and being in the industry. And he talks about all his flaws and in life.

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Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Where are you? Are you in Florida? I am. I'm in my office in Florida. Yeah. And how are you like in Florida? You've lived there for a while, haven't you? I moved here four years ago to help take care of my father and my mother. My kids have all grown up, and my wife and I were down here four years ago for Christmas, and my dad fell down and my and said my mom went to help him and he was there in the other room and we were getting up to help me because I got it I got it but my wife turned to me and said we

need to move here now I lost and almost cried but she's amazing so we moved here just to help take care of them are you serious you know most people don't I don't think a lot of people do that they just their life sort of revolves around their you know their family there I mean that's that takes a lot to think, okay, they'll get help. I'll visit them. I'll talk to them every day, but to actually come down and be there. My sister's even more amazing. We moved my parents next door to her. So they live 10 minutes from me, but like 10 feet from my sister. So I've been within 10 minutes of them. So I can drive there really easy. So it's not bad. I get to see them often and we get to do things. I was just there yesterday. How old are they? My dad is 92.

wow my mom's 83 is it his memories kind of going right now right now yes he has a little bit of sundowners so he gets a uh a little bit uh in the you know as a son's going down he starts getting a little more anxious and he's he's a military vet he was 20 years in the service as a pilot and uh and he had you know he saw these guys drown in in a plane and they couldn't rescue him and i think the plane was on fire you know i can't remember if was and then he said saved some other people. I mean, he's amazing. He's a Navy pilot. I was born. And when he was a flight instructor for the Navy, I was born in Milton. He was in Pensacola. I was born in Florida, but then moved to Japan because he was handed the Navy base back to the Japanese. Then we moved to

Jersey. Where's where, that's where I grew up. And then I moved back down here to Florida. And went to military school down here in Florida. And you have a lot of military in the family, right? Everybody, except for me and an uncle. I was in a Navy military school. I don't know Farragut Academy. There was an all-guide military school when I went. I was operations officer. I went to the military boot camp between my junior, senior year.

I also was on the USS Forestall for a month and a half aircraft care. The F-18 landed behind me, you know, for training. And then I decided to become an actor. Why did you, did you not like it? Did you like, you're like, God, this is what I don't. I love the military. I love the aspect. I loved everything about it.

I still do. When I, when I play the military roles and everything. I'm very precise about what I experienced in that, which was, you know, they were great. The men and my family that served, men and women that serve in the military to this day are incredible and their sacrifices, you know, affords us the ability to do whatever the hell we want to do. And if I want to act like I'm one of them, I'll act as much as I can, but I'll do it in the most honor and respectful way.

I'm very precise with all that. I feel, I feel the privilege and the honor that they've given me. And, you know, I'm grateful for that. I'm sure you didn't always. I'm sure at a young age, you were kind of like, were you the kind of kid that was, you needed a little discipline or you're always doing stuff? Or were you a good kid?

What would your dad say? They would say I would say I was a good kid. They would. I chose to go to military school. I chose to leave home and go. But I was also drinking back then. So I, you know, I was not good. I had my own issues.

I'm sober, I'll just get out and say that here. I'm, you know, I'll be, I'm 29 years, seven months sober. What? Yeah. That's incredible. That's a long time. Yeah, I'm a black. I was a blackout drunk.

Well, I'm still, you know, I'm an alcoholic, but I just don't drink anymore. Man, that's, I'm happy for you. You know, you said like. Yeah, I was just doing an AA meeting just before here. And I had to sign out. Yeah, you said that. You're like, hey, dude, I'm just getting out of an AA meeting. Oh.

Oh. Is this just, is this, uh, recent? Do I need to, uh, address this or, or not even? No, it's not, it's not recent. You know, I was, I got divorced through two, uh, two divorces through, uh, I was still sober through both them. I was sober during Starship Troopers. I was sober during that movie. So are he, by the way, Starship Troopers is Rolling Stones top what, Ryan? 11. 11. You know this already. I do. And right now it's trending. It's, it's, it's, it was like number 24. again because hell divers too this video game that's going out they've they've done all these Starship Troopers quotes and like references and all the gamers are right now I'm getting inundated with so many things um it's unbelievable uh just the life that that movie has sometimes what are the odds though of being on a movie that gets a sort of a reaction like that

I mean most actors would dream of being on something that has legs like that that just keeps going you mean like be lex luther or something i mean yeah but like but starship troopers is like everybody knows stars i remember seeing that in 97 i think it was in new york and i walked out and i said that's one of the best movies i've ever seen i haven't had more fun at the theater than that movie i was just blown away by it so now you're you're one of the majority now but back in the day you were one of the minority in america because in in the states it went over a lot of people's heads. They didn't understand the satire, the sense of humor, the sense of sensibility. And I don't even understand that because we have Paul Verhoeven, director of Robocop, Ed Neumeyer, writer of Robocop,

Phil Tippett, the visual effects guy of Robocop, and John Davis and the producer of Robocop, they all made Starship Troopers. And they were like, oh, they thought that had satire. Let's just go full force, but let's be subtle with it. I don't think it was as subtle, but then when it came out, Like when they said we were so settled and I was like, no, you guys weren't. This was not subtle at all. And then when it came out and went over people's heads, I went, what? So, you know, they missed the point of it. They didn't understand it.

I don't know what the difference was when it first came out, but it seems it's had a lot of life. It's had a long life. So it didn't make a lot of money when it first came out? No, it didn't do as well as they thought. This is the deal. They did a big, um, they did like, York Times or Washington Post or something like that did a thing. They got 1,013 and 14-year-old boys to go buy a ticket to Mr. Bean and see if they could sneak in to Mr. Bean and the

multiplexes. And all 1,000 of them were able to do it. So the next week, Disney pushed the re-release of The Little Mermaid two weeks earlier and put it in the same theaters as the multiplexes as Starship Troopers. And then the Post got 1,013 and 14-year-old boys. again, to buy tickets to The Little Mermaid, the re-release, and made $22 million in its re-release, which it still would anyhow. But Mr. Bean also made $22 million or whatever in its release. And we made $25, I think, in our opening weekend.

But they said we would have doubled our income if we had been a PG-13 movie. So we were rated all. It would not have been the same. No, I don't think so. No. I think it holds up because of, it's only a minute and 22 seconds.

It would have been cut out. couple of the heads getting lopped off and some of the nudity and some of the carnage. That's what really got it. I think one of the bugs taking somebody from behind or something like that. There's a couple things that happened. Colonel Lindsay, he got it. But it just, it had a longevity and a love. Mostly it's directors that come to me and want to talk to me about it all day long.

That's what they want to talk. When Robert Rodriguez hired me on Alita Battle Angel to do one day, I played a muck. I come in and I kill this girl in a wheelchair. Spoiler. All he wanted to do that whole time, I have a scene with Christoph Waltz. I'm in a scene with Christoph Waltz. I know. I'm like sitting there like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous.

And he's like, is there anything else you need from me? And I'm like, I have like one line. He's like doing all the talking and he's asking me what I, you know what he's. And I'm like, I'm in heaven. But all Robert wanted to do was talk about Starshoot Troopers. It was surreal. It was surreal. That is amazing.

Did Christoph, did he have the accent when he was talking to you? Like, do you need anything else for me or? He was just wonderful. I mean, he just, I was in awe of being there, but then I was just talking Robert all the time about searcher trooper. So my time was monopolized with him also because I was also like, I wanted to talk to him about his movies, but he had questions and he was just like really in it. And he was just, and then he dragged me in the movie and get me to do this.

I want you to do this. And he's like, yeah, you're like, you're like what would have happened to Johnny Rico. And this is the way he thought. I mean, it was so cool. I love him. he's amazing. Wow, that is awesome. Like a lot of these guys you work with, are they guys you still talk to? You still shoot an email.

You still shoot a text. I mean, do you become friends with any of them? Are you sort of a guy that works, does the job mostly just moves on and you don't really become friends with a lot of people you work with? No, I'm from Starship Troopers, Patrick Muldoon, who was the guy that got his brain sucked out, which is every guy's reddream. He and I were friends before Starship Troopers. We've done like four or five movies together.

He came to my wedding. I was married five years ago to my now wife, my beautiful wife, and he was in my wedding party. And then Ed Newmire, who was the writer of Starship Troopers, was in my wedding party. And then Garrett Warren, who's the stunt coordinator on Alita Battle Angel and Starship Troopers and Logan and, you know, he's done all these other things and Avatar and all those things. He was in there, too, in my wedding party.

So those are three guys from Starship Troopers there. And then, you know, I work out. I was working when I was living in L.A. I was still working out with Jake Busey and he's a character, isn't he? Is he a lot of fun? He's a character. He's a lot of fun. So, yeah, and Dina Myers see all the time at cons.

And I'm going to see Michael Ironside and Dina up in Monster Palusa in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. I'm seeing them next month. Wow. So that'll be fun. And I still get to see it. And I love Michael Ironside. I mean, I hear his voice all the time when I'm acting still this day. you know what's funny is I had a bad experience with Michael Ironside and I talk about it on the podcast but like it went viral and it wasn't like I didn't say it didn't like the guy I just I thought he didn't like me I thought he was a little mean or a little bit like and maybe he was just playing that character I don't know so it blew up into this thing like I hate him I don't hate him I don't think he's a bad actor he's a good actor it was you know and it was just like it didn't really blow up did it Ryan I mean a little bit but but it's gonna blow up now it's gonna blow up now no but I

It's not that-R-Bandine defends Michael Ironside against Michael. It was just the first impression. That's all it was. So I have no real evidence of, of, you know, a lot of people have said to me, they go, he's terrifying. And he does play a good, terrifying person. And he does have a personality that, you know, if he's, if he's, if he was angry, I wouldn't want to be on that dark side of him or. And, you know, I have no idea what, you know, what. your experience was with him. But when I worked with him, he was a mentor for me. And he gave me,

you know, he was always there. He's very positive, very supportive. So I had an incredible experience working with him. I had an absolutely incredible experience. And I love that. I'm telling you, this experience wasn't even like working with. It was just like he was on set and it was just interaction. And it just made me feel kind of uncomfortable. And nothing he did. He just, it just was a moment where he's like, oh, this guy. You're this guy, huh? and it kind of sized me up and i was like jesus man and it kind of made me feel like ship but i don't think he was now that i think of it i think he was just like being a dude and but it just was weird it just was weird and i was like so it was a little thing but i but

tom who was on the show loved him everybody else he i'm sure he's a great guy it was just a one time moment you know he like i said he was just a mentor for me so he was he was great for me but i do understand that because he can he he is uh he's intimidating Yeah, he's extremely intimidating. That's it. He's a little intimidating. He's very intimidating. And he can also, you know, if you, uh, yeah, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if you

felt something, you know, I don't doubt that there was something, you know, sure, I'm sure. And it could be, you know, whatever somebody goes through on the day, because I've had experiences with people too with that, like, God, I love that person. And I've been like, oh, okay. Yeah, you know, it's funny is I guarantee if somebody said to Michael about this, he'd go, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. I don't even know this guy. I don't,

I didn't work with him. I don't even remember what. That's probably what he'd say. What is you talking about? He probably wouldn't even remember. He wouldn't remember. But it's funny how you remember. Like if you have a moment with somebody and it's just brief, like, maybe I met a fan.

I was just like, hey, I don't have time right now. He's like, oh, man, he was kind of like, kind of a dick. And I wasn't meaning to be, it could be taken, you know, different ways. And like, your legacy could be, you know. Yep. You know, people, people, you know, I have two eggs wall. so I know I'm not popular to some people's view, so I know, I know, I know I am not a popular man there at all. I know that, you know, that's not something that's, you know, and rightfully

so, I deserve it. I don't mind. I know I have a great current wife and I'm, and she loves me. Thank God. I haven't blown that one yet. No, there you go. You're doing great. You're doing great. You've got four kids, right? Yeah, I do, I do. I do. I have a great. Grace. he's an actress. I know Grace. I met her at cons before. In fact, she texts me and she said,

you will have a blast with my dad. He is great. Isn't she sweet? She said it was unsolicited. You guys are really tight, huh? Yeah. It's amazing because, you know,

the others are more private. And she's very private too. Grace is very private, but she's an actor. So she's fair game because she's in this field. So, you know, that's,

and she understands that. But yeah, we all saw each other at that con together. We all were at a ComicCon together. Yeah. And I met her before that at some other con and she was really funny. She's just like, she's a goofball. She's really funny and like doesn't take herself seriously.

And, you know, she's, yeah, she's been on sets, her whole life. She grew up on sets. Johnny Depp held her in his hands when she was a baby on Sleepy Hollow in England. And she was when I was Tarzanan in Africa, she came to the set there. And she was being carried around by this lady that was, that was taken care of the house that I was staying in. And one of the Zulu ladies. and she just had a, you know, she'd carry Gracie around, this little blonde-haired baby,

but, you know, right in through Zula Nettel, and it was amazing to see. Hollywood royalty, that baby. She is Hollywood royalty. She is? Robert Mitchum is her great-grandfather. Isn't that? I mean, who could, that's pretty amazing.

And you worked with him. I did. I got, he played, he played, yeah, he played George Stevens to my James Dean. And he did that as a favor. He told them, When the director came, I said, who did you get to play this? Because we had some really cool characters in that movie.

We had Mike Connors, Vannex, playing Jack Warner. And then we had Casey Kasen playing his yes man. And then we had Joseph Campanella playing my father and that. And Diane Ladd, and we had, you know, and then we had Robert Mitch McHickie. I said, who did you get to play George Stevens? Like, oh, we got this actor. And he walked out of the trailer. And I'm like, he's like, hey, and you're ready to shoot this?

And I'm like, I go to the director, why didn't you tell me? he goes he told me not to tell you how nervous were you i was so nervous and and i wish they told me because i was like i would have prepared more but uh we we nailed robert has a he does he did scenes in one take and you know what we did them all in one take i was lucky though i was just lucky i mean he was he was he was just like i was just in awe but he came and did that as a favorite because they didn't have the money for him it was a shitty little movie you know you know you I mean, money-wise, you know, it's not like a, I'm not too bad, not the movie. I'm saying, you know, money-wise, it's not a big-budget movie.

It's a tiny movie. How old was he? How old was he at this time? He was 70-74. Did he still have that tough guy kind of, you know, air about him? At the end, he had emphysema, and that kind of made him, you know, go down a little bit. But he was always just a good guy. That's awesome.

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when you wanted to get into acting, being that you come from this military family and all with stuff like it just was it was your father taken aback by it my father's the one actually i went to um i had gone to military school and then i i was working at a gym and working as a lifeguard and doing boat maintenance and doing all this other stuff to pay for my school and my parents had put a little money away for me to do you know my dad tried to say on he was a teacher in a in the military so he you know he did what he could he was amazing i'm so grateful for everything they did But I was going to college, and I'd gone a year, and I was going to take, I was a year away from taking military, tried to get military scholarships,

and I put myself through, and then try to become a doctor is what I thought I was going to do, and be in the military, and have them pay for everything, and then owe my life to them and then whatever. But my dad sat me down, and he said, and just sat me down one day, and I'm a pack, getting ready to go back to college, and he goes, what do you want to be? And I said, well, you know, be a doctor and being in the military.

He goes, what do you really want to be? I go, I'd love to be an actor. He goes, what are you going to college for? I said, want to be the doctor and, you know, and going to the military. He goes, why? And I unpacked my car for college that day, packed it for California and drove out.

that day with my mom my mom drove out with me wait a minute you you completely you turned your whole destiny or we thought it was and just didn't go just didn't go to school unpacked your shit or whatever it turned and went to la well i'd already gone to college for a year right complete first year in my my senior year in high school i was uh all set to go and uh had my own room at the there and everything and I didn't go. I didn't go back. And everybody's like, where are you? In fact, I just went to, I don't know Farragut Academy, which is the military school I went to. I just spoke at there in, in St. Petersburg, and in front of all these amazing people, okay? There's all these men that have accomplished it. I was a guest speaker, and I don't even know how I was the guest

speaker because all of a sudden I'm looking at all these military guys that have created these fortunes and these big companies and making millions and millions of dollars and doing all this good for people and all these charities and everything like that. And I'm the guest speaker and they're speaking before me. But I get up and I start talking and I sit there and I go, I'm just honored to be here. Then I started talking about my sobriety and and then I started talking about everything that got me through this and how I was grateful to be able to get a taste of of what these men were like and what my father was like just by one experience I had as an actor. Not that many as an actor, but when I, and I'm going to give you to you real quick, this is one that

I was doing a film in New Mexico and sorry for about the litangency, but this is what I mentioned in this is how I ended in a little speech. I was doing a film in New Mexico and the, the transport captain came up to me and said, hey, my son's a huge fanny. He's my co-captain. Can he get a picture with you? And I go, oh, yeah, absolutely. He goes, yeah, he loves Starship Troopers. I go, yeah. Yeah, he's blown up in Iraq by one of those roadside bombs, and he lost both his legs and part of his arm. And I'm like, oh, and he goes, and the last thing he remembered as he was passing out after being blown up was this bare arm coming in with a death from above tattoo, pulling him out. And I go, oh, my God. And at this point I'm crying, the makeup artist's crying.

And he goes, yeah, he wants to take a picture with you and send it to his friend, the guy that became his best friend, the one that. that saved his life who had the death from above tattoo they bonded over your movie and he wants to send a picture to tell him good luck because he's going back his buddy's going back for another tour so she helped make death from above tattoos we took this picture and we sent it over there to his body and it was just like unbelievable but two years later i'm at warmer brothers for the show all-american that i'm doing just a little spot on that i just have a little reoccurring on that as uh you know cody christensen's father and i'm handing in uh uh my um my my ID, and the guard goes, Rico.

You know, obviously my name is Casper, not Rico, but I didn't, but he goes, yeah, because we just heard what you did for that Marine and we all wanted to say thank you. So I said to them, I said, I just wanted to say thank you guys because you guys all serving in the military, doing what you've done, has given me the afforded me the ability and my father and the men and my family and the women in this country that done this afforded me the ability to be an actor, have a role that affected people like that, that is true greatness. These people are true greatness, what they're doing. They're willing to do these sacrifices, and I can pretend and act like it.

But if I can have a little bit of taste of what they feel like to be that person, then I'm very grateful. And that's how I ended. And I mean it. And that just was just off the cup there. But here it is, you know, we're lucky we get to be in this. Yeah. Yeah.

No, absolutely. And, you know, it's funny because. whenever you don't know what to say if you just speak truth or from your heart it always just works doesn't it yeah if you're bullshit and they know you're bullshit but if you're like all right hang on i just got to i want to say something and that's that's probably why but that's that's an amazing story it's it's amazing because i always talk about how i you know i used to find it silly it's like oh i did this show and how could this affect people and how could it have any impact on people and then it's like my dad and i when my dad was alive we used that's what someone

will say to me we watched your show every tuesday night that was our thing that was our father son thing or the the fellas in iraq they'll say hey we watch smallville that's what got us through it and i'll just be dumbfounded i i can't understand so but it makes me feel at least like i did something that sort of help you get through something and it's it's it's just really cool It's hard to fathom, right? It's hard to wrap your head around. It's humbling. It's, it's, and I'm grateful for that.

It is a rare thing. We're very lucky when we get into something because, you know, actors, most of my friends, they struggle more as actors, although the actors, I, you know, I know there's some that are, you know, the super successful ones, there's some that have been, we've had tastes of it here and there. We've done some good things like, you know, you have small value of starship trovers. We have these things that are iconic. Yeah.

that and that's great but you know a lot of actors like you say don't have that they haven't haven't experienced that but it we're we're in a fortunate place to have that and i am very grateful for it and uh and i know i'm also very lucky we're all lucky yeah we're all lucky we're all lucky it's good stuff yeah did you're uh you know your dad i can't believe how i didn't i always picture the great santini you know as like if that's a military dad and navy pilot and he's like hard on you, but he wasn't. He was like, he was the one who helped you figure out what you wanted to do and go do it. My dad has always encouraged me to be my own man. That means I'm responsible for every stupid mistake I've made, which is quite a few. And, uh, and also I can, uh, you know,

stand up to, to, to, to be the man that I, I, I want to be. Now, he's an incredible man. He used to sing and dance after, after dinner, you know, he still sings to this day. Um, he, he got me, You know, he would show up to all my games. He used to take me in all the Yankee games growing up. I had all the bats from all. He got me on the field of, you know, because he had the cadet corps. But when he was teaching NJOTC in Jersey, he had the cadet corps. So I got on Giants Stadium and I got to go out there with them and just be a little kid.

I used to run around after all the guys at all the boot camps in Newport, Rhode Island that he would do for all the Navy going in. I'd be running around these uniforms. I, once in a while, I'll get somebody going, hey, remember when you used to run around us? you were you were a funny kid you know from these old military guys i still get some of that stuff still now i know why you're there helping your dad yeah just by hearing what you said it just makes perfect sense in the beginning i was like you know most people wouldn't do this and you know i you know if my you know get the just get help for their mom and call them and and and there's a reason why you went there it wasn't because you wanted it's like you had to it's like something in me i'm going to do this this is what

I have to do. I think I always wanted to. I didn't think I had the courage until my wife said it. Wow. She's the one that, she's like, no, we need to move here now. My wife said this. And, you know, for me, I looked, I really, I hit the jackpot pot this time. And she's just, she's really just somebody that, that's just, she, she has a superpower, right?

She has a real superpower, and it's called kindness. And I think that's what her and my daughter Grace have. And I'm learning a lot from both of them. And it's really inspiring me. I want to be a better man. Part of getting sober is always trying to get better, part of doing these things. And it hasn't always worked. I've been a cranky old man and done a lot of mean things

and things that I really deeply regret. And I've hurt people that I really care about and love. And I, and you make amends when you can. And when you know it's just going to cause more pain, you stay away. and you know, you know, you just have to take that medicine of what you've done in your life. But looking at them and seeing how kind they are, inspired me. My dad is a much kinder man than I am. Was he a yeller or not really?

Terrifying him if he was going to be mad, but it's probably more terrified than my mom. Oh, yeah? And my mom's awesome. My mom is awesome, but she's funny. She can be a little bit meaner, though. She could lose her shit and throw stuff at you from across the room. She'd be more of a screamer than my dad. Yeah, she would be.

But, you know, but they're both incredible. I'm very lucky. Most people meet my parents. They go, God, I've heard about people having parents like this. That's what I have. Did they call you Casper or they call you Robert? They call me Casper, but they called me Rob growing up. But they called me Casper now.

But they called you Rob growing up. Rob, come here. Yeah, Rob. Or Rob. No, just Rob. borrow BB. Right. I, uh, yeah, my dad's Casper, my grandfather's Casper, his dad was Casper, his dad was, his dad was, his dad was Casper. And his mom was Ann Casperus. That's who we're all named after. Unbelievable. Yeah, she was apparently a really amazing woman. And there's a street

in New Jersey, Van Dean Street that I lived on that, uh, that was named after my great, great, great grandfather. Yeah. It's still there? Still there. We lived, I, lived on i grew up on 243 south vandine avenue i lived there for uh 13 years hey let me ask you question really quick uh you don't have to answer but i mean your dad being a navy pilot and all this stuff i i'm really intrigued by this stuff so did he ever say saw anything extraterrestrial or UFO or anything did he ever experience anything he was like you know my dad says he hasn't but he he's he's he's he's He's flown over.

He flew over the Gibraltar Straits with a nuke. He said he wasn't allowed to talk about it, but he started talking about it now. You know, he flew over with one. He, you know, he's, he's a real deal. He used to hunt the Russian subs, you know. He used to hunt the Russian subs and they played those games. And those games, he goes, yeah, I always found him. It's easy.

That's how he talks. I mean, my dad, he landed on aircraft carriers. I mean, he was a pilot from 50 to 75, so. But he never saw anything in the sky that he thought was a little odd. You know, you know, I did a movie with Tom DeLong, and Tom DeLong was sending me all those big. And he would send me these before they released him, he was sending them and going, don't show anybody this guy's for.

Monsters of California. Yeah, yeah, Monsters of California. I loved it. And all that dialogue was stuff that was said in different meetings and in paperwork, all these things have been said. all the things that were in that movie were um i'm fascinated by it you know i mean i'm not into conspiracy theories and all that stuff but you know i've i've just seen enough in the interviews with top ranking officials and maybe officers and pilots and astronauts and

scientists and seen documentaries and right that it just the the way i interpret is like are we crazy is this not possible are we not on the same page that this is possible at least Listen, ancient astronauts, there is say yes. That's what I say. They say yes. I believe in 100%. I believe that there's interdimensions. I believe that there's definitely aliens.

Stephen Hawkins said that if there were, Dernstar's Republic, she said if there are aliens, we probably don't want to fight him because they probably will bite. By the way, was Paul Verhoeven, was he like, was he an intense guy? Was he funny? Was he eccentric? was he what was he like yes to all of that paul verhoeven is the one of the most energetic and wild and crazy and amazing and gifted human beings that we live he's a genius he has a genius

level IQ he's wild he's always drawing he's first person on set last person off said he has more energy i swear to god i thought he was on cocaine but nobody could be on cocaine as long as he was all the whole thing because he was just so intense all the time he's like come and shoot a If you didn't get yelled at, you were not working on a Paul Verhoeven shoot because he just yells, screams, talks, just intense. And I love him to death. And he's one of my favorite people ever. And I will forever be blessed to have been able to work with him. He is, I think, one of the greatest directors and the most underrated directors.

Wow. Do you still talk to him? Or is he? I do. I do. He's still alive. He's still around. Yeah.

He and Ed are working on a project that. I might or may not be involved with eventually, too. So we'll see. And he has a thick German accent. No, he's Dutch. Oh, he's Dutch. You're Dutch, aren't you? I am.

I'm a Dutch American. So he has a Dutch accent. Yeah. So that's how he talks. With a Dutch accent. Yes, I talk like this. This is what I do. Does he when he's, I can't imagine getting screened by like, like, Michael, what are you doing?

Oh, it's intense. It's intense. But he's, you know, he is one of the most incredible human beings and just so talented. And I swear, every director always, every director I've ever met with or talked to, I have a picture of me with like six of the huge six or seven directors on my Instagram. It's like it has Quentin Tarantino, Roger Avery. It has Eli Roth, James Wan. There's somebody else. I know that there's, I agree right junior. They're all in there and they're all in this picture with me. And all they wanted to talk to about this, where I'm there for three hours with these guys and have that newmired with me, all we want to, all they want to talk about was Starship Troopers. Of course. Isn't that something? It just to me, it's just a weird thing. They, you know, they go off on it and it's incredible.

That film, you know, and of course, those guys always want to talk about movies anyhow because they're all movie geniuses and everything of that. But they all love Paul. They all love him. That's awesome. Did you have a time in your life, whether it was immaturity or whether it was just whatever, ego, that you're like, in the interview, I don't tell them, we're not talking about Starship Troopers or we're not doing this or was like getting like, or were you always kind of open and like whatever? Because, you know, some people will be like, I don't want to talk about. I'm so tired of talking about that. I don't want to talk about it.

And it's refreshing that you don't give a shit. No, I've never, I've never, ever once not wanted to talk about Starship Troopers. I don't I mean I absolutely loved I loved the book when I was a kid I read the book when I was a kid and when I read the script for the movie I went how as a 12 year old kid did I understand this sense of humor when I read the script I was like this is so dark and incredible and intense how would I man I was a lot smarter because I thought I was pretty dumb as a kid and I thought like I was pretty clueless but I went back and I reread the book after I read the script as an adult and there's none of that sense of humor in it all that sense of humor is Ed Newmire and Paul Verhoeven, you know, the Robocop people. Yeah. Is not in the book. The book is a straightforward. It's a great book, but it's a whole, it's, it's an incredible book.

I love it. Robert Heinleyn wrote an incredible book, 1958 or 59, I think it was. But it's straightforward. If you service guarantees citizenship, and if you don't serve, you don't get to be a citizen. Yeah. But it's straightforward. It's like a, it's a pro-military movie. It's great, though.

I loved it. But I went back, and the reason why I loved it as a. kid was the power armor, which is what they're doing in Hell Divers too right now, which is, you know, and, you know, so it's, it just was, because you could jump and nuke things and blow things up and do all these cool things. So I was a typical boy. Bombas makes the most comfortable socks, underwear, and t-shirts. Warning, bombas are so absurdly comfortable you may throw out all your other clothes. Sorry, do we legally have to say that? No, this is just how I talk and I really love my bombus.

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that's a job? Or do you always try to find an element of fun? I always try to find the element of fun. It can be hard. There's sometimes where some of these movies you get on that people, you can go, oh, these people, I don't know, they don't know what they're doing. But even there, it's still fun because it's exploring. And now, even though I've been in this longer and I'm I actually have more fun now than I even did when I first started. I get so excited. I think I'm more alive on set. I think I become a better person, a better human because I'm working.

I just love making movies. I love the energy of it. It's just, it's phenomenal and people get together. And there's different personalities. Sometimes I might not always click with everybody, but I still love the whole process. I do. It's, and we're a sick, I know that we're very, sick individuals. There's something wrong with us in our head for likeness because you can invite

anybody to a set. People go, oh my God, movie sets or TV show set. They want to come on set. 97% of the people that come will be like, oh, my, this is incredible. And they come on. Within an hour, they're like, oh, four. Okay. And then two hours, they're like, okay. And by three, they're like, okay, this is a great. I can get out of here, though. I got that thing, the thing that they were going to be there all day. You're doing this scene again? Haven't they got it? But there's 3% of the people that'll come to be like, this is the greatest thing.

And I'll be like, oh, one of us. That's what I think. That's what I think of the people that they're like, oh, I could be here all day. I'm like, you're a sick person. I like you. Do you feel like you work too much? Do you feel like you have to be working?

Well, I'm not working right now. So, yes, I feel like I prefer it when I'm working, then when i'm not uh but i had you know that we had the strike which kept me off for a long time i just got to do a thing with flannery last year john patrick flannery who i love love he's very intense yeah um and but he's uh i had one of the best times working with him um just just because of his you know he's so intense i just had yeah i just had edward furlong on and you worked with edward in the heart of a champion yeah edward is such a great guy he's so such a nice guy he's the great guy we we hit it off we had we had one of the best times too i

love him to dad what a cool cat yeah he's just so honest i've never met so buddy somebody just so hey this is what i did and i made a mistake and this is what i did yeah i did that and i'm just trying to be better and you know and i love it i love acting and he's like you know he's just i like that raw sort of honest approach to everything you know i think he's been through hell and back you know Yeah. And it really helped when we were doing our scenes because he and I, we were relating on a lot of the stories. And because he's that open, it was so much fun to work with him. We had a scene that the people went. And oh, my God, that was incredible. He and I was just, just having fun together. Wow. Who are you? Who's the most starstruck you've ever been on a set with an actor? Most starstruck have ever been on a set with an actor. Just like, holy shit. Like besides, I guess Robert Mitchum. You know, I got to meet Ernest Borgnine and work with him. Oh, come on. And Rod Steiger.

I worked with Rod Steiger. He's amazing. He was amazing. But Ernest Borgnine was incredible. He would carry his chair. It was a western. I was shooting out in the valley, 118 degrees. And my daughter was 11, so she's 27 now.

So that was 16 years ago. Is that what, is that right math? Is that right math? Something like that. I don't know if that's right math. I'm not a math. But so anyhow, she was 11, and she came on to set. And Ernest is carrying Mr. Borgnon, is carrying his chair around.

And he's like, I'm like, Mr. Borgnon, sir, let me get that chair. He goes, I got it. He wouldn't sit in his, go to his trailer. He was like, I'm going to sit on set. And then I go to, hey, Ernie, this is a, I said, Mr. Borgnon, sir. He goes, call me Ernie. I mean, I like, yes, sir, Ernie, Mr. Borgnine, sir. This is my daughter, Grace.

She's Robert Mitchum's great-granddaughter. And he goes, you're Bob's kid. Hey, Jack. He went to the horse guy. Get me a horse. He goes, I'm not going to get a saddle. I'll just put her on leader. And I'm like, okay.

He's like, I watched him pick up my 11-year-old daughter, put her on the horse. They called me to SET. It's the first time that I didn't want to go to set, but still had to go because I was filming. But I watched him go off and go, let me tell you about your grandpa. What? I watched him walk off with my daughter on that horse and 11 years old. And she came to me at the end of the day. And I was like, how did it go?

She goes, Dad, thank you for the best day in my life. This is Grace. You met Grace. So three years ago, three years after that, we saw her and he had a con. And he goes, Gracie! And he had it come up to him. He remembered her like, it's nothing. He was a, he was a grand mason.

And he was a, you know, he was a mate. And both my grandfaults were. My dad didn't do that. But Ernest, I mean, I just. always remember him in Poseidon Adventure. One of my favorite movies of all time. And what a study was. He's always the big guy, the wild bunch.

Yeah. I mean, he was, they, we, we wrapped him at the end of the day. They wouldn't wrap him. Like, you guys got to wrap him. He's been working here 12 hours. It's hot. He's, you know, he was a month away from his 90th birthday. He got up on a horse.

Like, give me a ladder. Like, well, you're going to get up on the horse. He goes, how do you think the Duke did it at the end of his career? I go, yeah, but he was in his 70s, you're going to be 90. But he got up on a horse. His double took a fall off the horse four times. He was 86 years old, his stunt double, or 84 years old. And he's like, yeah, he goes, he's the good job kid.

And he goes, he's the only guy I call a kid. They were so cute. But at the end of the end, go, you got to get him out. So finally they got him out after 12 hours. And they said, Mr. Borgon, sir, you can go home. He goes, what about the kid's coverage? And I go, Mr. Borgon, sir, you can go home, sir. It's okay.

He goes, I'm not leaving. take me off the clock, but I'm not leaving. He sat off camera, the little lines like you wouldn't believe with the tears in his eyes off camera for me. Swear to God. We have people to complain about it. And I had this man, this 90-year-old actor, Academy Wardwin for Marty, you know, Poseidon adventure, you know, he was Mermaid Man in Spongebob Squarepants.

He's everything. He stayed off camera for me. he gave me a performance of a lifetime not even on camera he wasn't even on camera i mean i was like what that is unbelievable what a beautiful story my all right this is called shit talking with caspar van dean it's uh my top tier patrons i love you guys um thanks for supporting the podcast patron dot com slash inside of you uh well some of these questions we already we already talked about that nathan peace said how do you like working with michael ironside he loved working with michael I loved it, right?

I did it twice. Twice? Twice you worked with him. Yeah, I recommended him for another movie we did called the Mega Code, which was Yeah. Yeah, so he came in and played that. He was the batting in that. Leanne, when your daughter Grace told you she wanted to be an actress, were you supportive of her decision?

You're like, oh, shit. I cast her in her first movie, directed her as Sleeping Beauty in my Sleeping Beauty movie that I first directed, got her agents and manager. She was the best thing in the film. The rest of the film, me, but she was good. How do you like directing, by the way? You like directing. I love directing, but I want to direct something that is, that is, you know, more of a passion piece because I did a couple lifetime movies, which were per lifetime, and that's great, but that's not my, that's not my genre film that I would sit down and watch. That's not necessarily something like that. I did a good job for them. I got in both lifetime movies. They weren't

Lifetime movies until I made them. Right. And then they liked it and they bought it. But the two separate producers wanted to get them on Lifetime and so we were able to do that. But, and then the other movie I did, I had another one I was about to direct and it got pushed. So we'll see if we're going to do it in the spring.

I'll believe what happens. But it's a, it's a baseball movie, kind of like American graffiti, but set in the 80s. Really? How old are the lead characters? they're high school baseball players high school baseball players that sounds sweet dude it's about the it's about the Connie mac world series you know the the best ones to go out like from there these guys I filmed a second unit last year at one of them and they were all these kids were so exciting they were but they're all like six foot six foot four

something about beards I'm like looking at my uncle how old are you looking up at every single one of them like they're all men like you know like wait a minute i know you you're an old american okay you're damn right i am uh this is kind of funny well tasha asked us what's your favorite or happiest memory from your acting career it sounds like the ernest borgnine thing that would probably be one of them one of my most favorite moments yeah that would definitely be that also you know uh watching johnny depp hold my my daughter was pretty pretty amazing and just telling her how beautiful she was um you know you have moments like there's so many there's so many times i have these incredible moments on us we're very lucky

because you get to be around really talented and kind of people there's quite a quite a bit of them but i have so many amazing stories and go oh this was my favorite time this was my favorite time you know looking over and seen paulverho and ed newmeyer phil tip and john davison the guys behind robocop being out there and starship troopers in the middle of hells have Baker with, with 1,400 extras, 30 actors, all firing weapons, 30 stunt guys, all firing weapons, 250-something crew, 100 second unit crew, the drop ships, all the special effects going off, looking at that, everybody running, me looking over and looking behind there and going, I've got to remember this for the rest of my life. This moment's amazing. That was, you know,

and also to go, I'm Murphy because I was number one on my call sheet for that movie, and I know Peter Well, was number one on his for Robocop. So I felt like, I'm Murphy. And because I'm looking at that, you know, I just love movies. The fact that we get to do this, it's surreal to me. The fact that they still pay me, 30, how many years later, 36 years later? Yeah, 36 years. Wow.

Time flies, man. I feel like it was just the other day. Mr. Spelling, hired me for a show. You know, I was grateful for him doing it, too. He's not with us anymore. But these great people that we had in our lives and in our, our careers, getting work with Michael York, walking up Masada with him in Israel while I'm filming the Mega Code, walking up Masada with Michael York, the Michael York, going there for his, you know,

his, when he got his star on Hollywood, and I was there with him, you know, these things you get to be around, it's surreal moments. Yeah, that's freaking awesome. Little Lisa wants to know what song best describes you. That's a hard question. Well, Casper, the Friendly Ghost. Oh, really? is it? No, I was thinking about

what would you, what would your, what would you think your son? I had a song. I never thought about that a song. What song defines me? Wow. Um, you know, taking it to the street. Take it. No, I don't know. You don't know me, but I'm your brother. I don't know. Blue moon was my parent's song.

So if there's going to be a song that's going to define me it would probably be the song that got those two to get fall in love and get married blue moon that's probably what they had you think they had sex to that song and had you probably so that probably that song probably definitely defines me that was their song so that was their wedding song that was their song that was their thing so that song probably that song defines me i bet mine was like they were listening to the eagles or zeppelin or something probably you know anything cool like that there's so many songs that define us yeah i don't want to hear uh uh think about my parents having sex so let's stop there uh my dad said to me he was a pilot so

my dad was one time saying yeah the doctors told me that you know it was uh because because of the going up and going down so much in the planes that we had a million and one shot of having any kids so had to do it with your mom three million times to get you three kids oh great jesus jeremy c last question what is your biggest motivation get you out of bed in the morning my biggest motivation um I wake up, like, bing, I'm like one of those people that just wakes up in the morning and it is on. So my biggest, I know, I'm like one of those people. You feel good when you wake up?

You feel good? Yeah. I feel like shit for the first hour. I get up and I'm up. Like I wake up, if I wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning, I'm up. And I'm like, I go do anything. I'll do my do a lingo now or my read something or do my meditation, do some working out, run, walk the dog for you um i think my motivation is probably you know just to be a better person try to find

out where i can be a kinder a better person there's nothing better than that well i'm tired of being the other person so i i'd rather be the best version of me rather than the asshole version of well you say you're tired of that i don't think i mean that it seems like you've been a pretty good guy for a while here as long as you know i i mean are you you think you're such an asshole that recently you know i i think we all make mistakes I think I've made mistakes. I do stupid things. I try to let go of them and try to do better.

You know, I try to do that. But yeah, I constantly, I'm a dude. So I made, I've made plenty of stupid mistakes in my left and said stupid things. But I try to look at the kindness. I keep watching. Like, I literally, when I say that I watch Grace, I watch Grace how she is at the cons. And she takes these times with all these little girls to come up to her and they're so affected by her. And they hug her and they tell her her stories.

and they pour the hearts on me some of them you know they dump a little bit too much on her but but she does it with such grace and such i mean her name it's amazing uh amazing grace is the the word song that would define me the best uh see you found it you found it that's beautiful so why she was named that wow well this has been this has been awesome i'm so glad we got to finally talk and i got to learn about you and i got to really see how you how you how you what makes you tick and um i see how the passion you have for your family i see what passion you have for grace i see what passion you have for acting and directing and all these different things and the love you have for your your your folks and um that's just a beautiful thing so it's uh i appreciate

you taking the time with me dude man hey we we've known each other for forever we were working out at the Sutton's hotel you and i were there all the time in the gym together i'd go there on one movie i'd come back and get me on another movie there you were you were Working out at the gym, I was like, this man is consistent. My body didn't show that, but, you know, you always got the muscles, man. It took me a lot. I'm kind of a lanky, skinny guy. It's hard to get muscle on me.

It's not about being big or anything like that. I mean, you had consistency. And I always saw that. I was like, oh, my God, I bet you that guy's going to be there. You know, I was like, but you guys never brought me on Smallville. I would have come and done an episode of that. I think you were being considered. And I don't know why it didn't work out for.

I mean, you would have been great, but I would have come play with you guys any day to I love that. I loved working out with you, man. That was a lot of fun. I loved working out with you, dude. Yeah, that was cool. Hey, thank you, man. Let's keep in touch.

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Lovely fella, Casper, thanks for being on the show. That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Hearing those stories and just, yeah, I was surprised. Like I said, I've always been a fan and I'm more of a fan now. That's for sure. If you love this podcast, join Patreon. And, you know, we were talking last week, Ryan, about, you know, we haven't really checked up on mental health, really.

on how are you doing are you still taking therapy me i am yes and it's helping i'm still doing yeah uh i am too yeah a lot of people are now you know my brother's getting in the therapy and it's just so it's just so helpful i mean we talk about better help and like how many people use better help and how amazing it is but talking to someone is just i think vital i think we hold things inside and we think we're okay and they bottle up and they come to a you know to a place where you start to see things happen or materialize like you're just like your stress your stress levels and how you deal with it and by just talking to someone for an hour it's amazing how much you get out of your system and you feel like it's almost like you're refreshed like

you've just had a facial or something I don't know what it is but it's just like it's a facial for your mind it's a facial for your mind because I'm telling you I never wanted to talk to someone. I'm always like, ah, I want to cancel a can. And I never do. I never can. I won't allow myself to cancel. And 20 minutes in, I'm like, oh my gosh, now I'm talking about things that I didn't think I'd talk about. So it's, it's really awesome. And I'm glad you're still doing it. I'm still buzzing from a couple weeks ago when we did our sold out shows. Yeah, me too. That was incredible. It was really incredible. It was just the audience was like, it felt like I was doing stand-up comedy for an hour and 45 minutes. And everybody was just having a blast. We showed

clips from smallville we showed blooper reels we talked about our time on smallville we talked about your time on talkville and uh i could tell you definitely have that uh you know comedian ask improv way because when you get on stage you just you're just funny i haven't been on stage in so long but it felt good i've missed it right yeah it does it's like electric it's just like it's just a it's a fun feeling you know it's look it's not always phone when you don't kill it but no but i used to be in like the habit of doing it all the time yeah 2020 yeah well do it now i know you had that feeling get back on stage i had that feeling two years ago too and i just i know it's hard to life gets in the way i want to find the momentum you know we get in the way we do get in the way we get in the way i always

get in the way of myself yeah and the way uh you know it's always it's usually fear based or you know not putting the work in, but when you do it, it pays off. So I just say everybody out there, just try to live your life. Try to do what you want to do. Just get up and do it. Go for it. I mean, you have nothing to lose. When you're dead or when you're dying, you're like, why didn't I do that?

No one cares. What would have happened to me if I did it and I failed? Nothing. Nothing. He'd be embarrassed for a little while. And then you'd be like, oh, I got three. it yeah patron dot com slash inside of you uh love you guys thank you for supporting this podcast and um here we go nancy d lea and christin little lisa and ukeko and jill e and b and jason w sophie mrs

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