Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Chris Daughtry

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

Chris Daughtry (Daughtry, American Idol) joins me this week to reflect on the evolution of his career from his break on American Idol, to topping Billboard after releasing the fastest selling debut rock album in history, to getting inspired by Ryan Reynolds to join the Masked Singer. Chris opens up on the attitude he had earlier in his career with a constant chip on his shoulder and demeanor like he had something to prove. We also get into the idea of cutting those off who are bringing you down, staying true to who you are despite trends, and overcoming self doubt in your passions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Michael. Man, today's been a bitch. Dude, I woke up. My neck was just tweaked, bro. Tweaked, bro? Tweaked, bro.

Not even in the good way, bro. Dude, I mean, I have one of those lytocaine patches on. I couldn't even turn my head. I mean, I slept on it wrong. You guys know out there, man, when you just sleep the wrong way, I mean, it has taken me now. I've been up for hours, two and a half, three hours just to feel some kind of normalcy. And I took some Advil, CBD. Jeez, man.

I mean, pain just F's up your D, your day. And your N. And your N. And your N's. And your Nights. Yeah. We do that. You know, when John Heater and I, we watch movies.

We have this group, this horrorism I've talked about. And so, you know, he doesn't really swear a lot. he's Mormon, he's a good dude. And I swear less now because of him, but he'll be like, whoa, was that guy's D hanging out? Or like, he'll say the letter. Or like, whoa, was she effing that? Whatever. So it's just kind of funny.

Like, I tend to do that. And he also turns into Keanu at the same time. Whoa. Did he s her D? Wait, did he s his, did she, it doesn't matter. Like the character of Keanu being afraid to swear is just kind of funny. Whoa. That's effed.

well i was wondering if you maybe could give me a a dsing i don't know i don't know what i'm talking about we finished friday the 13th all of them last night and uh we finished all 11 and the last one had jared paddellucky my buddy and daniel pannebaker and so i sent them messages so um they made little videos for me in the group to just kind of like a little surprise going hey thanks for a lot you know I can't believe you guys went through all these and I thought the boys would like it and they did. I want to say thank you to everybody for listening as always.

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uh if go to stage it dot com last week's show was uh the justice league that was a lot of fun having those guys here i hope you guys enjoyed it it was uh it was really fun it was nice to dude, it just felt like family, you know, and that's kind of like my family. I don't see them very much. And then when you do, you're like, oh, this is why I don't, no, it was different. This is why I don't hang out with them. No, this is, I mean, it was different. They, uh, having those guys, there's such good people.

You can just sense they just have big hearts and they love to work and they're easy to work with. And so I hope you enjoyed that. A lot of people have been asking me for that for a long time. And, uh, there you have it. That's for you. And it was for me too. And it was for them.

I think we all had a great time. Um, So that's really about, that's it. Today's episode is Chris Daughtry, you know him from American Idol. Then he went to Mass Singer. He's had some big hits. He's a really down-to-earth guy, and you'll see he loves Batman and a bunch of shit. I think as far as Zoom backgrounds go, he's number one right now.

He's got to be like, he's got to be number one. Yeah, because he's, yeah, there's like some like sort of dramatic lighting on the Deadpool's statue in the background. Yeah, I got to give him credit for that. You have to check it out if you're listening. But he was just really easy to talk to. We met a long time ago, and sometimes, you know, sometimes conversations could be a little awkward, but this one definitely wasn't. And I think you're going to learn a lot from him. And let's get inside a Chris Daughtry.

It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of you. the live studio audience yeah oh oh yeah oh oh yeah oh yeah looking good buddy is that deadpool it is deadpool look at that how much to that thing you got a statue of deadpool and i'm guessing this is your living room not your bedroom this is my office slash nerd room you ought to see all the shit in here it's like batman statues and all the cows from the movies it's all the what from the movies all the cows the masks oh the

Cowls. That what they call them cowls? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not really, you know, I wasn't good in English. I don't. I took a word power course. All I remember is exuberant. There you go. Overwhelming with joy. There you go. I'm glad you just gave me that definition. I knew it. I just didn't know the exact. Yeah, I didn't buy this. This was, this was given to me on, I did a tour in Europe with Nickelback a few years ago. And at the end of the tour, I'm out there performing, and they wheel this thing out. It's got all these, like, unicorn balloons and shit on it. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on behind me? And that was his thank you for doing the tour, I guess. So, wait a minute, where were you when you got this?

We were in Europe. I want to say the end of the tour was in Germany or something like that. My point is, wherever you were, you're overseas. How much did it cost to get that, son of a bitch, back? So he shipped it. in this massive crate, and it finally showed up at my house, this big wooden crate that I had to get a drill. And, like, he made me work for this shit.

It was in pieces. I had to carry it all down. And so I paid for it. And that shipping probably was a good $500. Probably. Probably. He didn't tell me how much it was, but he did say, you should know that damn thing was fucking expensive.

Which probably, in hindsight, what he probably did was went into, like, a F.I. and signed a few CDs and got it for free and didn't tell me about it right well it's the thought that counts isn't it and it is the thought that counts i didn't know you were such a you know i just you like look at you you like batman yeah we're all nerds look i have toys i have freddie kruger i mean you so when you were young you you you cut was it comic books was it horror movies what was it yeah it was comic books i uh i was a i am i'm an artist as well so um i did uh i've done a few covers in the past couple years for Batman, Spider-Man, and Youngblood. Yeah, that was my first love, man, when I was like five, six years old, started drawing

and was obsessed with, like, you know, the Superpowers cartoons and He-Man and Ninja Turtles, all that stuff. What was your favorite superhero? Batman's always been my go-to. Always. How do you feel about Patterson? Paterson. Patterson. Patterson.

I was very much unexcited when they first showed the first like reveal or whatever months ago. I was like, all right, whatever. I was, I loved what Ben Affleck did. So I was like, that Fleck all the way.

And then they showed that trailer the other day and I'm like, damn it. It looks so good. That's always what happens, isn't it? It's like somebody goes, oh, he's playing the Joker, or he's, yeah, dude, every time, everybody, we're all, we're all victims of it. We're all like, oh, why's, why's, uh, I remember as a kid, like Michael Keaton playing

Batman, I just saw Beetlejuice. Like, how is this dude doing Batman? And that was my, that, that, that movie, like, I remember seeing that, it changed my life. I don't know what it is. I really, I don't know if it's just because it was when I was young and that's what I remember and everything seemed larger than life because now we're so jaded and everything has to be great and we're just picking tearing apart everything everybody which is so unhealthy so judgmental we all do it to each other and social media a lot of that you know you see a lot of those people i'm sure you get trolled

i'm sure you've been trolled a million times oh yeah most definitely but like i remember yeah i was just gonna say i like i love michael keaton and that that's what i remember but like then when i see these guys now like uh christian bail i was like he's phenomenal I, you know, I'm not saying everybody's amazing, but anyway, what are you going to say? I was just going to say that I've just had to learn to, like, be okay with myself and not read into that shit anymore because it's so easy to, you know, you could have a million comments saying how great you are and how amazing your work is. And then that one motherfucker, that's it, man, chimes in and you're like, why don't you like me? you know well i think i think you probably had it harder than a lot of people because i mean when you know i hate when people say instant fame because but american idol did obviously you

were playing and where are you in north carolina yeah yeah playing bars and clubs for basically the guest list right so this propels you to the next level right so boom yeah so for me it was like I did a show made no money did a shitty show a shittier show a pretty decent show I kind of just moved around and not to say I could take criticism I can take it a little bit

I could take it but it still hurts no matter what we're gonna say oh yeah I don't listen we still listen absolutely but you going from American Idol boom huge success and then dealing with that shit right away the haters like I mean were you pretty strong minded I mean you're already

married yet a strong marriage i mean you were married like were you were you solid at that point or were you fragile uh i thought i was solid looking back i was i was i think i carried a a chip on my shoulder with you know feeling like i had something to prove and i would i remember like looking back i was complete uh wouldn't say complete douchebag but yeah probably um i think i think a lot of it kind of went to my head and i um you know you hear the the haters and you just kind of feel like you got to kind of puff up and prove yourself and looking back i don't think i was the most patient humble person you know i think we all go through those phases where you you know you look back and go damn i don't even know who that guy

was yeah really so you watch yourself now and go what the fuck was i mean look i think we all do that i could watch myself and in an interview and go god you what a douche rocket what are you doing what What are you doing with your body? What are you doing with you? I mean, it's just like, whatever it is. Yeah, I mean, but maybe it was important to go through. It was. It was obviously important to go through that stage because it's better to be super confident,

even if it's like at a fault to a fault, but then to be incredibly insecure and or just not confident. Yeah, I mean, I think I went through it for years where, you know, I was, I thought I knew who I was and I'm this. I'm that and doesn't matter what you say, but I would, you know, I would read those comments and it would certainly kind of get in my head a little bit. And then I think, you know, fast forward till like, you know, four, three, four years ago, I was just like in a very, I don't know if you've ever gone through this where you just second guess everything you do. You have all this self-doubt and you're like am i even relevant anymore is what i've you know is the music i'm writing even worth a shit is it is it anyone wants to hear it and i started like it started kind of

informing the music in a way um and and not necessarily a good way i think it was a bit of a bit of chasing going on yeah trying to you know trying to you know uh live up to what everybody else was doing or or you know trying to change up to go with the times or whatever you know isn't it funny how we always think success is the person that's ahead of us the person that's making the big hits or the bigger hits or the more money making the more money totally the girl that he's dating or the guy that he's whatever it is that's what we're always living that's not success and i'm 48 and i'm starting to realize that success really is just if you love doing something whether you're making money or not it'd be nice to make money at it but you love music you love singing you love writing

right yeah yeah so it doesn't matter it really doesn't matter if you're you know to think there's an audience you hope there's an audience and there will be some audience always but it's not going to stop you from playing music no no not at all not at all and i think i think for me like I'm 40 now. I just turned 40 back in December. And I feel like I've kind of, I've shed a lot of old shit and old skin. And, you know, I got rid of people in my camp that I didn't feel like,

you know, fully believed in what I really do. And so I think that kind of, like, I'm kind of jumping the gun here. No, no, I like it because I want to hear it. We shifted Dears, you know, for one of our records was just like straight up, like, like, what the fuck, who were they? Like, that's, that doesn't sound like daughtry. That's full on pop. And, you know, we got a lot of flack for it. Had one successful song off the record, which, waiting for Superman, obviously, apropos.

But, and which was great. You know, I don't regret any of that, but I also was on a major label, you know, RCA and, and after like kind of stepping back and going, wait a minute, I feel like I was changing because they didn't believe what I really did. So there was all this, you know, you hear all this pressure and well, this, this band's doing this. You know, nobody's really using guitars anymore, Chris. You know, we got, you want to be on the radio. You got to change with the times. And so. And I think after doing that record, that's where all the self-doubt started coming in. I started just, I was really kind of depressed when I was making the last record, Cage to Rattle. And we were working with Jekir King, who did, you know, Kings of Leon, Modis Mouse. And even then, the label kind of, you know, they were stepping in like, oh, we got to do this instead. And for me, it kind of slightly tainted the process. And, you know, once I took a big step back from all.

of that. I got rid of my, my manager that I was with for a long time, and we parted ways with RCA, got my manager now, who's been working with me for like 13 years and started as my road manager, then went into being my co-manager. Now he's my only manager. Wow. Because he believed, like, not only is one of my best friends in the world, but he's, you know, he believed in like, dude, you're a fucking rocker, man. Like, that's what you should be doing. And don't be listening to all this. You got to keep up with this.

You got to do this for radio. Just do what you do. And that kind of made me realize, you know, I need to just write what I want to write, work with who I want to work with. I'm picking my producer. I'm doing, I'm picking my, it's something as simple as I'm picking my wardrobe for the video shoot. I'm doing, you know, I'm taking control. And now we release World on Fire.

And we're on the rock charts for the first. time in a decade you know and uh i was just raging it i was just raging it throughout the house i got sonos in all the rooms my engineer ryan comes in and i'm just raging boom like yeah oh yeah thank you yeah and you know i'm i'm i'm like you like you know i grew up in 80s pop and and i'm a sucker for a melody i'm like through and through like to me it's all about melody and and that hook first and foremost you look at paradise city it's fucking pop song you know what I mean like if you really break it down it's like a nursery rhyme and and it's catchy and it's you know and so for me like that's always my basis of writing and if we want to make it

heavy great you know there's there's always room for it but um I feel like I'm doing what I was supposed to do for years now and it feels feels good I'll tell you there was some people in my life in the last year and it's happened in the past where it's it's amazing the amount of shit you go through dealing with should i let him go should i i don't know i've been part of my life i don't know and you go through months and months and sometimes years and you're talking your really close friends and then all of a sudden you do it and you're like what the why do i feel so much better now dude been there yes why do we wait so long if there's something negative and it's not working they're weighing you down whether it's a debby down or it's like uh i don't

really know i don't really because there's a part of you that believes it there's a part of you that is going, I think they have my best interest. So I think they're telling me, you know, they're giving me the sound advice that I need. But deep down, you're going, I went through it. I was calling my accountant. Do you think I should change my manager? No, do you have a reason to?

No, but I knew what I needed to do. And I just was looking for someone to tell me otherwise, you know, just to confirm this whatever fear, well, if I, It's like you think that you're going to cut this cord and all of a sudden you're going to just banish off the face of the earth and you're going to plummet into some downward spiral and fade into obscurity or something. I don't know what it is, but yeah, there's,

and you wait and you wait and you wait and you know, you know deep down. Like this is the right move and you fucking finally do it. And then it's like this world opens up to you and this, you know, this weight's lifted. And, yeah, that's with everything in life, right? Everything. Why does it take so long? Why am I 48 figuring this shit out now?

You know, by the way, go ahead. The key is the, you know, the most important thing is that you do figure it out. Sometimes people figure it out. I see people in their, like, 20s now that seem like they have their shit together more than I ever did, you know? and then I see, you know, people in their 50s and that are just now figuring life out. I don't know. I think we all kind of perceive things at different levels at different times and we get it when we're ready, I guess. You know, have you ever just sat there and thought, you know what, if it just ended now?

If it just, if I just fucked off to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan and just said, no one ever sees my wife and I and all the kids, whatever, they probably won't go with you to Moose Jaw, but if you went there and you're up in Moose Jaw and you're thinking, what have I done? And you're like, well, I was on the biggest show in the world, which gave me huge success. I was a finalist. I got a record deal. I had two hits. I, well, I mean, you're the fastest selling debut rock album in Nielsen Soundscan history, a million copies in five weeks right after Idol, right? This is like, through first album. so and then you look at all this stuff you made albums you've played with all your fucking heroes a lot of your heroes that you love i see a picture on fucking instagram with you and sammy hagar and you know you're playing with all these people that are just amazing so why couldn't you just go that's enough

well i didn't expect this i could be in north carolina playing a fucking right it's it's certainly uh those conversations get get bounced around often me and my wife are always like what if we just go live in the woods somewhere. Oh, my God. And, and just escape everything. Like, how bad could it be? Um, we were watching, uh, we were just watching, uh, this docu-series on Netflix with Zach Efron. Have you seen that?

No, but I want to. Down to earth? Dude, it's so good. I haven't finished it yet, but we were watching going, like, that's life. You know, there, these people are happy. They're growing their own food. I want to be down to earth. Yeah.

I want to be just. grounded and not worry about shit um but yeah man it's you know and then there's that part of me that feels like you know i i and and sometimes i feel guilty for it but like i feel like i need that i need to be on stage and i need to be in the studio and creating and um at some capacity so it's it's it's one of those things that um i feel like i still have a lot left in me but certainly there are times where it's like what if you know i do it all the time man in fact tomorrow i'm going up with my best friend we're going to drive a couple hours to big bear and just look at some cabins to maybe buy i want to buy like a i just want to be able to get out of town and

you know just to be able to i think what happens is sometimes you're like what am i doing it's like the cyclical it's you're busy you're being productive you're doing things you're enjoying things but it seems sort of at the same time, stagnant almost. Like, you're doing the same things and everything's great, but you don't want 20 years to go by and go, you watch these shows, like you said, with a Zach Ephron, you know, down to earth, and you watch alone that I watch on the history channel that I talk about. I had Jordan Jonas, the winner of season six on.

He's out there, and he's like building a shelter, and he's like, not to say you have to do that, but, you know, fishing and building a fire and just getting away. And I don't get away, and I keep saying I need to get away, and that, you know, it's the same thing. It's like, as important as this stuff is, you're probably, we are probably going to be healthier if we do disconnect for a bit and then come back stronger. Because if we just keep pushing. We never get away. We always talk about it.

And then something comes up that we can't get away because of this or because of this. I'm with the kids or I got this virtual tour I'm doing now. And then it is always something. And it's almost like you just have to like intentionally just cut it, cut the cord and disappear. Why don't you put it on the schedule? Why don't you and your wife say, let's pick a date and we're doing it. We're circling it right now. All we're doing is putting this day.

We're not changing this date. We're doing this for our own sanity. Yeah. That's what needs to happen. I need to do that too. What is this, the virtual thing? I saw it like on Instagram. So how does that work?

So we're in Nashville and we're just me and my guitar player. and we're at this club called Mercy Lounge, and it's empty. It's just us. And we're, it's live streaming, and we're going to, we partnered with all these small venues around the country. I think we're doing 19 shows. We did, we've done like half of them now. And we got a week off and then we're going back to finish it.

But so the people go, the fans go to either our website or the respective venue and buy their tickets and they watch it. from home and 10% of the profits of the whole tour go to each of these venues to you know these venues of suffering everybody in the music industry or entertainment industry in general like you think about all the crew you know the you know the people that work the ticket stand you know all these people out of work so that's awesome we had this idea of like hey the fans want to see us play we want to play how can we make this kind of work for everybody and it's just you YouTube, you and your guitarist.

Just, yeah, it's super chill. It's all acoustic. You know, we're playing a lot of deep cuts from our records, playing some covers. We've been doing patience from G&R. Oh, man, that's such a good song. We did Man in the Box last night. That was fun.

Allison Chains? Oh, dude. Yeah. Did you ever meet him, Lace? I never. Is that his name Lace, right? Lane. Lane Staley.

Lane Staley. Lane Staley. I never met him. I think he died before I had any kind of access to anyone in music industry. I saw him at Lollapalooza. I saw Alice in Chains and I remember just going. Was he good then? Oh, yeah.

Every video I've ever seen of them live, he was on it. I was like, damn, how did that guy, how was he so fucked up and still like that on? You know, same with, you know, Scott Weiland. Have you covered, what's that one? Is that man in the box? Wow. That's it, right? Yeah.

That's the jam. Do you have to vocally, do you warm up? A little bit. You know, I kind of just make some noises just to make sure it's there like, like, ah, you know, and then it's like, oh, it's connected, we're good. Did you take lessons? Did you, or you just had a natural ability? A little bit of both.

I have this natural ability, but I didn't know how to use it. I think I was, like, especially when I was on Idol and even a couple years after that, tour like I was over doing it I was banging my voice up every night and I was so used to being in bars where I would work a day job I'd play on the weekend not really need my voice the next day so I didn't know how much I was destroying it so but now I you know I started working with uh I've worked with a few coaches over the years and learn a bunch of different things on just little techniques to kind of uh basically do what I was already doing but properly you know what I mean and they're easy things that you could just do like breathing exercises or i think for me it was about finding the right

placement and i was using my throat more than i was using uh they call it the mask you know when you keep everything up in here and the nasal and stuff like ah you know you're going right uh right and you and you learn being on the road so many years i've just learned a lot of what to do and what not to do, just from experience and being around other singers and having to be on, you know, and knowing that I needed my voice the next day. So I would, you know, I would pace myself a little more and not go full blast out the gate, you know. Inside of You is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater.

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no love anymore baby we jam that um so when you're watching mcfee and all these people in the beginning and you're this young guy what are you 26 26, and you're watching these guys on stage and you're going out there in front of millions. I mean, biggest show ever. Are you shitting your pants or are you just filled with confidence? It was definitely a bit of both. That was a new thing for me, man. I was so used to being in front of like, you know, a hundred people at the most, you know?

And those, a lot of them I knew because I put them on the guest list. You know what I mean? And then I'm out there with no guitar. because you couldn't play instruments on the season I was on. I'm used to being with my band and, you know, I had backup. I had, and then I'm out there naked, 20 feet from the band, no instrument. And I have to keep my eyes open and look at a camera. I always close my eyes when I sing.

It's like a natural reflex. I have such bad ADD if I see anything that distracts me or someone's talking or trying to get my attention, lyrics out the door. Are we brothers? I think we're brothers then, because that's exactly what, happens to me dude i i i just can't i can't do it um and so i i closed my eyes a lot but i had to like force myself to look at the camera and find the camera and it was so awkward for me were you calling your wife going were they crazy eyes were they okay were they sexy eyes

what kind of eyes was i given the the world i think they were sexy crazy okay thanks honey you know yeah yeah i didn't uh i didn't really think about it much i i as a matter of fact i go back and there was still times i had my eyes closed they were all always like, no, you got to find the camera, you got to look at the audience, you got to think about the people at home on the other side of the TV. I'm like, man, I'm just trying to get through this song. Yeah. Isn't there part of you that wants like, I mean, you probably wouldn't admit it, but I think I would, not to be a dick, but I'd feel better if the person had me just fucked up a little bit at least. Just kind of fucked up. Please fuck up. Then I'll feel better.

You're secretly waiting for it. You're like, give me something. Yeah, you want McFee to miss a beat or forget a line or fuck up and you want it kind of right because you want to win you know it's like and if they're good and if they did great everybody up before you and you're the one that's the first one

that you're like man hopefully the next person fucked up to yeah or if you're last and you're like oh my god you mean crushed Taylor Hicks just crushed with a dude I mean are you still friends with those guys I still keep in touch with Elliot

I actually ran into Elliott in the airport in Vegas last year before everything. Just had a baby. You know, tits up, yeah. Ace lives like 10 minutes for me. He's in Nashville now. I haven't taught to Taylor in a while, but I keep up every now and then I get a text from Bucky

and everybody's doing their own thing and we always talk about getting together and it never happens because everybody's got their own things going. But do you remember the first time I met you? uh we i felt like we met at like the beverly center i think you're right and that would make sense because i love malls who doesn't who doesn't love a yeah i haven't been to one in a while but well um but yeah i i think i met you in uh Nordstrom or something in the in the beverly center underwear try i get my underpants i just had that mental what do we do we're like oh hey dude what's up

yeah that was basically it like you knew who i was i was i knew who you were and we you know we were both bald probably we were both bald i i think you were it was definitely trimmed down i don't know if you were fully bald in between seasons maybe did you have to shave oh yeah shave me shave me every every morning in fact i didn't know that i mean i still would have done it i was broke but um they they would shave my head with an electric first to get anything and then straight i had every there couldn't be a hair on my head my ear anything for a minute there i thought they were going to shave my ass but no they didn't go that far i uh i have to shave every other day i don't know how you did that every day without like just ripping your

skin apart oh well some days some days you just see a little blood trickled down my eye and i'm like nah away she goes i know i'm sorry and you're right about the ears man you shave your head all of a sudden you realize i got hair there that has to go oh yeah feel that shit blow it in the wind and if that light hits you a certain way that dramatic lighting you just get one long ear hair and no hair on your head. It's like, oh, what the they don't care what you sound like? Because you look like shit, Chris. You know it's funny that you just mentioned shaving

your ears. When I was on idle, I was, I was in the bathroom shaving and it was right before I went out. And I decided that day that I'm going to shave my ears with my razor. And it cut right there

and it would not stop bleat, like it was just gushing. I was like, what the fuck am I going to? I had to super glue my ear to stop the bleeding and like cake makeup all over. Were you thinking about it while you're seeing? Yes. My fucking ear. This is when I'm pushing, I'm like, I'm probably gushing blood, right?

I know. We're just so aware, self-aware. I mean, I hate it. I hate it too. I'm less that now. I mean, I like, look, I wear shorts, a t-shirt. I'm not even wearing shoes right now. I'm at home, but like, that's sort of my M-O.

I just, I like just being comfortable. The more comfortable I am, you know, I just like how I drink. I think that's just part of being me, but, you know, sometimes someone will say, you know, you might want to put on a nice shirt if you're going to go out with that girl. You might want to... Dude, I literally have been living in Aladdin pants, this whole... Aladdin pants. Like these harem pants, they're like so baggy and just feels like you're wearing nothing,

especially with the heat, dude, it's hot here. I don't know how it is there, but it's, uh, the humidity here is just awful. You walk outside and it's instant, like, I got to go take a shower. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. So I'm all about comfort. I did wear just some nice joggers today. I don't know why I thought my legs would be showing. I was hoping for your legs to be showing.

I got a little knee for you. You got a rocker hole? See, if I wore that, they'd say, oh, Rosenbaum, that's so 90s. But if a rocker wears it, they're allowed to wear it. But you do, you play music, so you can do that. Yeah, I guess so. How do you? Are you a shorts on stage kind of guy?

No, no, not Adam Sandler. No, I'll put a pair of jeans on and a t-shirt and a hat, you know, and I'll just play. I don't have the, look, for me, I've always loved music more than anything. You've always loved music. The difference is you had a real gift. Now, I, you know, I could sometimes carry the tune. I could sing. I could write some songs.

We did an album. I love it. It was fun. I want to, I write music all the time. But I'm not like, like you. This is not how I make a living, and I couldn't make a living off this. But I love it. I really do love it.

And that's another thing, you know, I turn a certain age. I'm like, why aren't you doing music? And of course, the bully in my head's like, well, one, you're not as good as Chris Daughtry or Adam Lambert or anybody. Like, look at these guys. And this is what's in my head. B, you're old. No one gives a shit.

C. I mean, who's going to, what musicians can you get to play with it? So it was all those things that were keeping me. So finally I said, I'm not going to be radio head. I'm not going to be a rock star. I love music. Why shouldn't I write music and record music and play music and sing music? Yeah, exactly.

When you realize, like, why do I want to do it? Then just do it. That's what happened. And everything changed. So, you know, got some guys together. We had a band for a while. We've been an album. Went to Germany, tour, play.

So it was just, I love it. So I want to, like you said in the beginning of this interview, you said, Melody, I don't care if it doesn't sound the most creative stairway to heaven layers. because those songs are one in a million and if you try to make a song like that you're going to fail most of the time. It has to just come to you or come out in an improv or whatever. So I write songs

and I'm like, hey man this has a nice hook, it's got a nice feel to it, put some good harmonies, a violin, and I, that's how I do it. And I think, you know, that's like you said, I want to hear a good melody. When I don't, I'm like, I can't get into this. It's like the, I'm not going to bat.

Can you imagine being a band and writing stairway to heaven today and then going to the record label and go, huh? Huh? Well, first of all, it's 18 minutes too long. What do you think? Where's the chorus? What's the chorus?

I don't know. Like, those songs just wouldn't work today. Wait a minute. The title is Staraway to Heaven. You don't say it till the last line of the, what the fuck? You know? You're right, man. You're right.

I'm so stuck in the 90s and the 80s and the 70s. Do you, like, you said you like, you know, you're listening to music. And you rocked. Like, I can't wait for the album. When's the whole album coming out? Because this is the single. We still got to get back in the studio and finish it. We got about halfway through the record when everything kind of shut down.

So we're hoping to get back in and come and fall and just start cranking it out. But, I mean, for me, like, the era that made me want to be, to do what I do now with the 90s. Like that, you know, live was my show. shit sound garden alice and chains tool candlebox you know all those bands and that's your age really that's your like that you were and i was right there too i was in college when early years when that stuff came out so i was in all that you know what's what's a what's the song that sound garden sang with eddie oh uh hunger strike have you ever covered that you know what i just did and we i just recorded it with uh uh uh the singer from bad wool

and we did I don't know when it's coming out because it's their project but I cut the vocal in my home studio and and I did all the Cornell parts and I was really proud of it

because like... Wow! The high parts? I did it all. I did it all. I'm going hungry! Wow! And I felt like I fucking nailed it and then I find out later that day that that was the

anniversary of his death and i'm like what i had all these chills i got chills there just yeah too wow it was like it was like i channeled his spirit somehow and it was it was crazy man i can't wait for people to hear it but wow it's so funny i just said that because that's the song i was thinking and i can imagine you going highs and i'd be like and i'm going hungry yeah i'm just the low guy i'm going hungry and you just bury me with other people was it was it hard not to do you want to make it your own but you can't go too far away because it's got to be close i tried to keep it honest and and you know i didn't want to emulate but at the same time there's certain parts you can't not sound a little like him you know and it was uh it was pretty

eerie actually listening back to it oh dude i can't wait can you say i will not send it to anyway yeah i'll have to i'll send it to you i'll send it to you even if it's like i would love to hear just like even anything rough before it's like to get even just like some just like simple before it's full it's all mixed it's yeah bro now I was gonna say are you a guy that like like you rage and you get on stage and you just like you belt it out you have the chops and you can yeah you ever listen to like bread or like songs in the 70s or love songs or can you not listen that is the stuff we play after the shows like there's Christopher cross on oh time get out come on Dude, sailing is on, I kid you not.

We have it on repeat after the show. Dude. Well, it's not far down to Santa Fe. At least it's not for me. That's the best calm down music after the show. We don't usually have, like I rage before the show. I get hyped up. I got rage against the machine.

I got, you know, whatever playing. And we're getting all hype at the end. Do you know one of the lyrics is, all cut up in the reverie uh wait reverie all cut up in the reverie everything it's so funny people are gonna listen this but i'm excited because i'm talking to a musician which i love doing you're like your fans will listen and then they'll go he just wants to be a fucking rocker he's just trying to like get in there and thing i can just hear it i'm not i am you're right

you're fucking right hey by the way does your wife ever honestly like you write a song like rolled on fire obviously that she can't say that she can't say that's bad but can she like listen to other music and go yeah i just i don't know i'm not i don't like that one or I don't like that as much. All the time. Does it kill you? Crush. Anybody else can say anything when she's like just not interested.

And I can always tell it's like out the gate. I feel like you've done that before. Or I feel like it's like I know it's true. But hearing it from her, it's like, uh, we used to getting fights over it. Because I would be like, you know what? Never mind. I don't even want to play it for you anymore. You want my honest opinion.

You want me to lie to you. I don't want you to lie to me. I just want you to like it. Well, I hope it's not like already a mix done recording, or do you play her? No, no, no, no. It's all these demos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that would suck if it's like, this is finished. We just worked 12, 15 hours on this one song today.

Oh, yeah, no. Yeah, yeah. I've been very fortunate. And to be honest, like, it's been a good thing because I really trust her opinion. She's all about, like, she's who introduced me to a lot of the old, older 70s rock. She's older than me. She's seven years older than me.

So, you know, I was into like, you know, the 90s, but it was like, it was very narrow-minded. Like, that was what I listened to. That's what I do. That's what I love. That's, and she kind of opened my mind up to other stuff. And, like, I fell in love with Elton John and Bernie Toppin's songwriting. And I just started, and Fleetwood Mac and, you know,

all these great. great 70s songwriters that, you know, like nobody writes like that anymore. Nobody. And so I started really paying attention to those greats. And, you know, her favorite band is Led Zeppelin. So I really give her a lot of credit for being that barometer and really keeping me in check and pushing me. And, you know, like, yeah, okay, maybe that was just, I didn't really dig that deep on

that one. That was, you know, and it kind of made me start really analyzing the songs in a different way before I even presented it to someone, because you can always tell how you really feel about your song when you start to play it for somebody else. Because you start to over-explain, you start to go, well, that part is that, that's going to get fixed. Like, don't listen to the lyrics. They're like, just shut the fuck up and let me listen to the song.

Yeah, it's like, don't listen to the lyrics. This is just a demo. This is just one take, so I'm pitching. We're probably going to change that line right there. Yeah, I'm going to get Chris Dodger to sing this part, so don't judge me on my, you know, it's funny because I wrote a song called The Letter, and it's a guy sings the verse and the girl sings the, and I'm like, man, I don't have that sexy, raspy voice. And you're trying to do it, you know, like, you're trying to get that thing.

And I'm like, maybe I can get it to some rock or something. I know, I know Dirk's Bentley, maybe he'll sing it. Maybe I'll make millions. You don't make millions. Darius is great, man. I haven't seen that guy in years. I love that guy. You like country?

I mean, you're in Nashville. I grew up with it. You know, I really loved country as a kid. My dad and my grandfather were, you know, big country buffs. And so my dad was, like, big into Merle Haggard. But he was also big into CCR. So he introduced me to Credence as a kid, and I fell in love with John Fogarty's voice. But, yeah, you know, there was a lot of, I like...

I want to be careful how I say this. I'm not a big fan of modern country. Right. I love, I love, I love, I love Stapleton. I think that's the real deal. I think that's some, you know, I love, I love good songwriting, man. I love, I love good storytelling. I love honesty in music.

So I tend to gravitate towards more of the, like I loved Colin Ray. You know, Colin Ray? Yeah, sure. Um, I loved him growing up. I just, I, I, I, I've always gravitated towards singers. So if I love the boy, if I love the voice, then I would, you know, I would, I would, I would listen to the music. Yeah, I mean, I, look, I old school country is, I just love. I mean, like, Travis Tritt.

Yeah. You know. Even like, even like Alabama and, uh, freaking, um, Ronnie Millsap, Eddie Rabbit. I can listen. I love that stuff. I mean, yeah, those guys were great. remember because I grew up in southern Indiana and Mr. Hunter would play him in study hall and at first I was like, what is this? And he'd keep playing the Alabama album over and over.

And I just fell in love with it. I just couldn't get it out of my head. It was just really catchy and fun to listen to and driving music. Yeah. Because I'm surprised like you haven't ever been asked to like, no, not to say, when you say you don't like, you don't really listen to modern country and obviously. I don't really listen to it, but there are songs that pop out every now And then I'm like, oh, that's good. Right. But I did, we did a song on our second album, Leave This Town, and I had Vince Gill sing on it.

Wow. That was really cool. Richard Marks, I think you know Richard. Yeah. So I was working with Richard, and I was playing in this song that I wrote with my guitar player. Like, it's kind of a country field. It's called Tennessee Line. And, you know, the label was loving it.

The producer was loving it. And he was like, dude, I was. And at the time, I was like, I want to get Alison Krause on this, man. I think she would be epic. And he was like, dude, you know who you need. Oh, and she, her people politely turned it down, like she was busy or whatever, which was synonymous with, I hate your band. To me, that's what I heard.

Of course. That's what we hear. That's what I heard. I have since met her and she is a lovely human being, very sweetheart. But I, Richard was like, dude, she'd get Vince Gill on it. I was like, great. How do I do that? He goes, I'll call him right now.

And I was like, oh, you know Vince Gill. All right. So did you do it with Vince in the studio? Or did Vince go separately? So Vince was about to, he was about to head to Mexico on a vacation. So he ended up doing it remotely. We sent him the track. And he calls me up.

And he's like, hey, buddy. hey, I hear you want me to do some country with you. Or that was, he texts me, and that's how I heard it. He texts you, okay. And so I called him up, and I was like, yeah, we haven't sent the song yet. Like, and you've already agreed to do it. Like, for all you know, it could be about hookers and blow. And, you know, he goes, man, I love hookers and blow, Chris.

He did not say that. He said that, but he's a total joker. and obviously he was like all you all you owe me is beer and pizza i still haven't paid him back but um he did it and i remember getting the rough and his vocal was so loud like when they sent the the rough of his parts and his uh uh or fiddle player i guess you got to call it a fiddle in in Nashville it's not a violin um it got to his part and that was like it was as if he was saying this is how you sing boy. It was so good. And I was like, oh my God, because I've always been a fan of that guy's voice. He's like, and then Allison Krauss, like I put him like, they're the male and female

counterparts of each other. They just have that epic, you know, like everything they sing just sounds so good. And that was a, that was an incredible moment. And we did get to perform it live together on the CMAs that year, which was extremely validating to me. It was so, fund and he walked around he walked around with us to the uh do it all the press circuit and everything like our uncle you know he was like I mean come on dude legend that's amazing you got to see that's what you got to think of when you start doubting yourself or doubting things you know we got to remember those moments where it's like hey you know it's important and we forget it I'll hear great advice and an hour later I'm not listening to it I'm like

why am I not doing this I'm not because I'm not working hard enough on myself that's I mean, it's the only way I could think about it. I know all the right things to do. I know them all. You just don't do them. I just don't fucking do it. I know. I know I need to meditate.

I know I need to, you know. Well, you exercise. You got some guns there. I do. That is something that I try to keep consistent. I do that for me. You know, I, I, I've always been, like, obsessed with, you know, I, maybe it's my love of comic books or whatever. Always trying to, you know, keep.

my physique in shape, but I did not do that for years. I hit the road and I just went hard, drinking and eating late at night and just at least a 12 pack of beer a night after a show. Powdering your nose. I never went that route. Oh, good. That's good. Most rockers do that, huh? Yeah, never went that route. I'm sure you were tempted some nights. People were like, come on, crash try it once. There was a couple times, but it was never really around me. Like, I never really hung around people that, you know, were into that sort of thing. But yeah, there were, there were some opportunities here and there. But I think the hard stuff always terrified me, you know.

Because you hear those stories. I have an addictive personality anyway, so. Well, I have really bad allergies. So I remember trying. I remember powdering my nose and I couldn't breathe. So I'm like, well, I can't do this drug. Even though I'm an idiot for doing it, thank God. I was like, it was just like, I was like, yeah, you know, guys, I, uh,

my heart's raised really fast, but I just can't breathe. I'm not going to do this anymore. Yeah, I tried it. I did try it one time years ago, and I was so drunk that I don't remember it doing anything. And I just never did it again. Never, I was, I actually think I scared myself that I even attempted it. And I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah.

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Please play responsibly. Hey, real quick, Mask, Singer, you know, it's crazy because, like you, again, again, you went from playing music for like a hundred people, a lot of your friends, you know, dreaming of being, you know, a rock star, then boom, you're an idol, boom, you're a rock star, record deal, big hits, touring, and then the next album does really well, and then you starts to see it slowly kind of trickle down. That's what you're noticing, right? And you're probably like, because I always say this and sorry listeners, but, you know, people go, you know, what does that person do now? Like, listen, Smallville is,

was a major fucking hit most likely i'll never be on a show that great again that's a lottery ticket that's i'll be on good shows i've been i've done so you hit like boom it's not to say you won't go back to boom but like you have to look at that and we don't we think oh i have to get back to that instead of yeah instead of you you get these false expectations of what success is and what you what you think you're supposed to be back up there but it's like what if that never happened anyway. Like, your barometer is so skewed because you think that just because that one record or those first two records did that, that that's, this is going to last forever. Right. Just like everybody in the 80s thought. Right. In the 70s and the 90s. It's like,

think about it. Even Duran Duran had these hits, hits, hits. They were an exception because in the 90s they had two hits and they're what? Duran Duran's back. You know, and they were great. It's not that they're not great. It's that, you know, I guess music changes. And people say, well, you got to change with the music. And I, I, I fucking disagree. I wish people like, God, if Duran Duran came up with new songs and they sounded like Rio or fucking just like keyboard and synths and shit, I'd be like, I'm buying it. Why do you think people still love like, I love the cure? I just saw the cure again.

I love the Smiths. I love Morrissey. I love psychedelic first. I love OMD. I want to make an album where it's like synths and like, like, Depeche Mode. I love that shit. I love some Depeche Mode. Love Depeche Mode.

But we did, we did come undone. When you come on. No, that's Duran Duran. That's Duran Duran. We did that Duran Duran, but I do love some Depeche mode too. I just like, we like to incorporate some sense here and there too. I think it just adds this vibe and mood to it. Well, you do walking in my shoes for me.

Learn that. Have you ever heard that song? Oh, I love that song. Do you make it a rock song? Try walking in. my shoes you'll stumble in my footstep that'd be a jam you ever you ever heard of a band called finger 11 uh Ryan has Ryan over there has early 2000s they they covered that and they did a pretty you should look it out you probably oh I didn't know that pretty what that's pretty badass yeah I love

that well dude so then all of a sudden you know you're still playing music you're still doing your thing you got all these kids I mean they're older now right I mean who's what's your youngest you have twins We got our two oldest, 23 and 22. Lord. Started raising them when they were two and four. And then me and my wife had twins. There'll be 10 in November. And then our oldest had a kid that we raise and have raised since he was six months old.

for various reasons we don't even need to go there but um and so he's five about to turn six it's a fucking circus here man dude so we got three we got three in the house and two trying to be adults oh my god you could be 60 before these you're you're saying we talk about it all the time we're like when when when are we when is it just going to be us and we get to go like do whatever like and it's there's always something with a kid like there's always something so go because of this or we this kid has an appointment or yeah it's well what about so when you were asked to do you know i had uh dr drew on the show and he was on masked yeah and he was awesome and he said it was amazing and he said it was scared shitless and were you were you was that did that i bet you rejected

it at first like no no thanks no i've jumped all over um because a hit show well i saw i remember years ago seeing Ryan Reynolds, this YouTube video of Ryan Reynolds in a unicorn costume, I think it was the Korean version of it. That's where it came from. And I was like, I want to do that. That just looked fun. Like to nobody knows who you are and just go up there and fuck off. So you asked them?

Did your representation ask them? No, they asked if I would be interested. And I was like, yes, please. Yes, I'd love to count me in. Okay. So how does it work? They make you sign a whole bunch of papers. I know the drill.

You can't say a fuck. You can't talk to your wife. You can't talk to anybody, whatever. So my wife knew. Okay. My manager knew. My publicist knew. And my band didn't know.

My parents didn't know. My kids didn't know. Everybody that knew had to sign NDAs, of course. And I was in L.A. working on a record or writing or doing meetings. And so, you know, it's all pretty. tape. So we shot it off. And it starts airing. And my kids are like, man, this guy on the show sounds like you. I'm like, well, that's crazy. And I would listen to it and be like,

kind of a little bit. And so we had to keep like kind of lying to them. And then they'd see clues and they're like, there was this like meditation bowl in one of the clues. And they're like, we have that bowl. That's got to be you. I'm like, I'm here. I'm here. Obviously. It can't be me. And you sold it. You sold that. I sold it. Man, I had to sell it to fans, too, because we were out on the road when it started airing. And they were bringing me, like, Rottweiler, like, gifts and shit. I'm like, what is this?

Everybody keeps talking about that. What is you saying? What was the first song? I'm an actor, too. What's the song you sang? What's the song you sang? The first one was Man Eater. Wow.

Not the Nelly Fretato one, but the Hall and Outs. The Nelly Furtado. sing the man need to make him out, ma'amah da'am. I don't know that one. It's actually a pretty decent song. But so you sing hollow notes. I love some hollow notes. Did you rage it? Did you get to pick the song?

Yeah, I got to pick them all. It was we went into halftime on the chorus. It was all like you know, it was cool. But then we did grenade, Bruno Mars, Castle on the Hill

from Ed Sheeran did a live from Sia that was my last one I thought you were going to win of course right I was hoping you know it's it's I'm obviously not good at contests always what would you get the first time fourth I came in second this time so it's you're getting up there you're going to see you just wanted it I mean that's awesome and by the way it was fun man and and it was terrifying because you're in this costume and you can't see shit you're looking through this little screen of fabric and they're like no the cameras that way turn over here and I'm like you know um and you're singing live in this in this freaking hot costume and you can't breathe are you miced inside no and I thought that would just have been so much better so does it still sound good

you can you still hear pretty well through that mask Yeah, I mean, I guess they got what they needed. They said everything was good, and I'm sure they did some mixing and make it sound a little better. But I think the year before was who won, T. Payne. And they said his costume was just like, you couldn't hear shit. Were you just sweating balls in there? Did you just have brie balls? Dude, I lost so much water in every performance.

So, like, I was, I was drenched after everyone. It smelled like an old locker room. Hey, am I allowed to play a little world on fire? Yeah. Or I get in trouble. You wrote it. You own the rights, right? Play it, man.

Come on. I mean, that's just rocks. It's just, you know, it's like that song, what was that song that when it came on? I'm not going to, this is going to be, I don't even know why I'm going here. My mind just goes in a million different directions. It was Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, and the video came on with words, and it just like, right now. Right now. You know how that song, right now?

Damn, man. Hey, if you're on tomorrow, it's everything. Yeah. That's kind of like when that kicks in, it makes you have that feeling. I remember just getting naked in my, in my apartment and college just go, right now, my, my, roommates like no not right now sit the fuck down it's my buddy tom i put on some clothes dude this has been awesome i wrote that um i wrote that before the pandemic it was so crazy how lyrically it just what i thought for sure you wrote it while this was happening i wrote it when australia was on fire

and you know there was there was certainly no shortage of uh racial injustice and police brutality going on even then and so a lot of that made it into the lyrics as well and then everything else just happens and i'm where me and my producers are just like how how did we do this like that it's like we had a crystal ball or some shit yeah perfect who's who's the one person you want i mean there's probably a lot but who's like one person like i wish they'd work with me i want to work with this i'm just such a big fan like who is it that post malone really post malone yeah he's a rocker man does he know it does he know he knows he knows i don't know i keep saying it enough hopefully he's he hears it. I love that. Who's your favorite band of all time? I mean, live was my,

that's the band that made me want to do what I do. I saw Ed Kowalczyk was my hero, is my, like I've worked with, it's weird now because we're really good friends and we've worked together. We've played shows together. He's open for me, which is super surreal and weird. And, and that record, Secret Samadhi, I remember where that came out. I saw them for the first time in concert. I was 17 and I remember looking. I would watch shows like I was like taking notes. I wasn't there like to just

rock out. I was like I'm gonna fucking do that. Like that's what I want to do for the rest of my life. That right there. I mean you're freaking doing it man. Dude look I I'm so glad we connected and like we know some of the same people and Batista name droppers. No dude I love that guy

man. He's the nicest sweetest man in the world. He's like he's like hey Rosie it's Dave man. I don't know what you're doing out there, but L.A. is all fucked up, man. You could just come over to my house in Orlando. I'm serious, man. I got a, you know, I got a house. I think I got a jacuzzi. I haven't looked. But, you know, fuck. Come on whenever you want. You got the car. Such a great dude, man.

So World on Fire. That's the single. You guys listen to it. It doesn't even do it justice. You have to fucking crank it up in your car, in your house. You know, on Spotify or Apple Music or whatever you listen to. Yeah. I just like when a song just makes you feel a certain way. And that just brings it out. And, you know, it's funny because I always loved that song. I know you played it a million times. I'm coming home. I would think for the COVID thing, it should be, I wrote some different lyrics.

I'm staying home. Well, that would have been better. I just said, I'm COVID-free. It's the way I want to be. I wear my mask. You shouldn't even ask me. I'll take the swab. I don't want to act like a knob.

I just want to be COVID-free. What do you think? I think it's a hit. It's a total fucking hit. Hey, Instagram, man. You got a great following. You're a great fan. You got people who are real supporters.

What's your handle? Just at Chris Daughtry. At Chris Daughtry. The band is at Daughtry. My personal is at Chris Daughtry. And Twitter? Chris underscore Daughtry. I wasn't that lucky on that one.

Complicated. Underscores always fuck people up. I tried you. You're not on there. Yeah. I apologize for that. Dude, this has been so awesome. I love talking to.

you, man. It's so easy. I would love to do it again sometime, man. I love it. I mean, you're always welcome. This is just, I mean, there's so many things I want to even, like, yeah, well, we'll save them, but. Yeah, we can, we can get deeper inside of me next time. We certainly can. I might even have to have the wife ask her a couple questions about living with a rocker and what it's like. Dude, I wish y'all the best. We'll be texting and keep in touch. I love the new stuff, man. Keep rocking. Thank you so much, man. Take care of yourself. Thank you for having me. I'm so good to reconnect with you, brother. Perhaps I'll see at the mall, hopefully, soon when this clears up.

I see you there. Nordstroms. Nordstroms or Macy's, one of them, I don't know. I'll be in the underwear section, buddy. You got it, brother. I like that guy. It's good dude. Good dude, talented guy, natural voice. I wish I had that power in my voice.

I wish I could just, I'm going home, and his voice is so powerful. But it's even when he goes up, it's effortless. He played me something. The, what is it? Hunger Strike. Hunger Strike. Yeah. And I am, I was blown away by the power of his voice.

It's just like, it's just a gift, man. And I love music. And when I hear that, I'm, again, I start to go back in my shell like, I shouldn't be doing music. But I love music and I make music. And that's just the way it is. And we're, we have a new album coming out. So I don't care. Daughtry, you're amazing.

You have a great voice. You're a talented son of a gun. And it doesn't mean everybody else should stop singing because he's so great at singing. Right. Right. He's going to text me. Dude, come on, man. Thank you to all my patrons out there, as you know, without you.

I don't know if I'd be here right now, if the show would be here. And we had some new patrons this last week, and I message them. And it's always nice to hear from them. And they always have good ideas. And I don't know. It's just, like I said, it's a family. If you want to join Patreon, you just go to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N.com slash inside of you. and you could join the family

and it's uh you know you get merch some tiers get merch boxes every couple of months uh there's uh there's just a lot of stuff shit talking with rose and mom get to ask the guest questions and there's inside of me where you ask me questions and it's uh it's a lot of fun and let me read off these wonderful patrons then we'll read a little letter we haven't read a letter in quite some time um anything else ryan

i don't know you can go to inside of you at inside of you pot on twitter at Inside of your podcast on Instagram There you go That's exactly right Thanks to the Patrons, top tier patrons Let's shout them out

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all right so you know i haven't done a letter in a while but there are a couple letters and uh you know i i want to read them from um hello at inside of you podcast.com this is from robert hey mr rosamma i appreciate your podcast and youtube channel i've been struggling with grief since the passing of my wife in march it has helped me um listening to your podcast just knowing you're not all you're not alone we all go through things thank you for your outstanding work robert that is uh that's pretty um that's pretty intense man you know i'm glad the show can do something for you you know um it's amazing how something so tragic it's it's you know can happen and how you deal with it and you know you think how can i i remember as a kid

I used to go, if I lose my grandparents, I can't survive. If I lose, if somebody to, if you dwell on these things, if they ruminate and you sort of like, you can't think of those things. And then when something does happen, it's amazing how resilient or, you know, we can be. And, but I think that depends on how healthy you are. Like, you know, I've worked on myself and, you know, I didn't think I could ever survive my grandfather's death as my best friend. And, um, but a wife.

you know, obviously young. So I hope you have really good friends that are helping you through it. And I hope that you're being good to yourself and knowing that, you know, your wife would want to see you healthy and happy and not deteriorating. And I'm glad this podcast could do something for you, if anything. I mean, just to, you know, just to make you smile or whatever. And all I would say is you're a loved, man, just keep doing the best you can. And don't be too hard on yourself.

When you get down, it's okay. It's okay to break down. let it out it's healthy but then pick yourself back up you know it's a roller coaster ride so thank you robert for that amazing uh email very vulnerable you know i'm gonna have to turn on my light on my phone ryan because this one's hard to read i printed it out and it's just like i'm blind as it is wendy i'm going through a rough time just like everyone else however most people don't have a time clock counting down on their life as i do i'm 37 i've been fighting for a while now and it's been a battle let me tell you anyways i don't like having the feel sorry for me

card played through but um i want to summarize this letter by thanking you for making me forget about myself and making me laugh please keep it up because you never know who you'll make out there whose day you'll make better or actually make someone forget about all the shit they're going through. Thank you so much. Wendy. And I had no idea that you were my crush from Smallville, but dang, sir, you still got it. Is that in it? Fuck yeah, it's in there. What do you think I lie? I just made that up. You think I'm that? I don't know. You need a little narcissistic. I don't know. Jesus. Wendy, um, you know, when you hear letters like that, I just appreciate your vulnerability and your honesty.

And, you know, I have a buddy. I've talked about him. His name's Preston. And he's, you know, he's 14. And he's got cancer. And he's had nine surgeries. And he's 14 years old. And, you know, I think the key is to just do whatever you can to, look, it's hard to even

give any kind of encouragement. I think what I'm just trying to say is, you know, every day is important. So, you know, if you have a good day, I would. would say try to embrace that day try to you know obviously you're doing everything you can for the cancer cancer sucks man you know stephen emil have those shirts fuck cancer and you just hope one day that like you know you keep hoping Alzheimer's they're going to cure that they're going to cure cancer they're going to cure they're going to get a fucking vaccine for you know the COVID um listen i just really appreciate you and i'm glad the show could do something

for you and um i wish you all the best and all the love in the world and and just uh you know just try to smile as much as you can and, um, you know, I, I just hope that, uh, you're not in any pain and, you know, you're, you're doing okay and you're in a good mindset and, uh, you have good people around you. They have me. I'm here. You can get listening to me every day. Right. Ryan? Yeah. Well, Brian, that was a, uh, that was a, a good episode. We got a lot more good episodes coming up. Really cool guests coming up, guys. Keep listening. Keep subscribing. Keep supporting and go back there's a lot of great episodes if you haven't heard a lot of the episodes look at the list there's a laundry list of you go in the back catalog great guests you

could listen to or watch on YouTube and you can even go back into the archives and watch or listen to some of the originals but stay subscribed and spread the word to your family and friends thanks to everybody out there thanks to westwood one for supporting the podcast to brice who really puts a lot of this stuff together to uh Ryan of course and uh you know if you're getting merch on the online store usually if it just says your name and the the address it's going to it's that name so i don't know if somebody like you know had a email that i was forwarded that said um oh yeah could you you know make this out to my mom but it was on an email at the google account it wasn't on the shopify so i don't know i just pack them up i sign them i go i don't if it doesn't say it's almost like

on the address if you whatever name i see on the address is the name i see on the address is the name I'm going to make it out to. Otherwise, I don't have a name to make it out to. Anyway, I don't even know why I talked about that. It's ridiculous. I love you all. Thank you for allowing to be inside of each and every one of you. I hope you continue to be healthy and happy and do what you can to make it through.

Ryan? Just keep on trucking. Keep on trucking. And the music's playing right now at this time, isn't it? Well, no, not anymore. You don't do that anymore? Not anymore. What is that?

I just... You didn't like it? No, it's just one more thing I got to do. Sounds like it's pretty easy to just put that over, isn't it? It can be. All right. Well, if there's music, Ryan got into it. Hmm, he didn't.

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