Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - CHRISTOPHER JUDGE: Wild Stargate Stories, Freedom from Forgiveness & Acting Out of Spite

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Chris Judge (Stargate SG-1, God of War) joins us this week for an open, honest, and forthcoming conversation about the pain in his past and how he’s been able to not only overcome it throughout his career, but also use it to his advantage when portraying characters like Teal’c in Stargate SG-1 and Kratos in God of War. Chris shares his tumultuous upbringing with an abusive father, chilling stories where he avoided tragedy, and how he’s been able to break the cycle of violence. We also talk about the coincidental story that helped him land Stargate SG-1, the best parts of working as Kratos, and his journey leaving football stardom for Hollywood. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🌟 JCPenney: https://www.jcpenney.com 📕 MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Are you coming to my house for Thanksgiving? I am. Oh, that makes me happy. Yeah. That makes me really happy. Yeah. It's going to be fun. I'm going to do stuffing again.

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Yeah. All right, let's just do this. Let's get into it. Let's get inside of Chris, Judge. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You were really creative when you named him Chris Jr.

It was a moment of inspiration. I actually said, I want a motherfucker to be just like me, but not quite. I want it to be just like me and more. How's your relationship? Great, great. Has it always been great? Yeah. It really had, I mean, even when I had these visions of how I was going to be as a father,

you know, I was going to be a strict disciplinary end. Was your father? Was he straight? My father was one of the most evil men on earth. Are you serious? That motherfucker was so evil. The devil didn't want that motherfucker. He just kept living.

Wow. Did you know him? Yeah. Okay. Well, when they, it was a trip because when they were, like, I always say my father gave me two things. a love of golf and alcoholism. So I'm thankful for him. But from the time Christopher could walk,

like they'd be out chipping balls together, you know. And it was great to see because I thought, you know, it had really changed my dad, you know. And, you know, then that old bastard alcohol would come and he'd switched back to that evil bastard he was, you know. So when you say bad, I mean, Because, you know, we all have different parents. I always envy those parents that, you know, I meet someone's parents, my friends.

And I'm like, damn, why couldn't you have raised me? I'm like, what would have been like for, you know, just loving and interesting to you and wanting to know about you? Right. Right. What was, what was, it was the alcoholism was a major thing. But did he take interest in you and your father? Not really. It really had no real interest in my athletic career. I would say my scholastic career, but it really wasn't much of that. My name. Me neither.

But, yeah, it was, you know, I had garnered all this recognition for football, baseball, whatever. Didn't really ever. Never said. You're great, son. I'm proud of you, son. The only time he kind of ever gave me a compliment was, you know, I discovered girls. And how do I say this? Because my mom, my wife wasn't. I was prolific with women. Yes.

Okay. And one day, I took it as a compliment, but I could see he's kind of thinking back on it. He was annoyed by it. But I took it as a compliment because kind of the only one he ever gave me was, yeah. You have more girls than I did when I was your age. That was the closest ever. That was the closest he came. So it was almost the competitive thing through God of war.

The line I always said, how do you father when you weren't fathered? I was going to ask. He wasn't fathered. He wasn't. So it was just in the jeans in a way. Yeah. And, you know, he had tried, and I don't know the minutia of it, but he had tried to kill his father when he was 13. Like really tried to kill his father.

Oh, yeah, shot at him with a shotgun. Don't know what, and it could have been just because he was 13. So we did stuff together until I was about 13. And then it absolutely did a 180. So, yeah. And that hurts. That hurts. I mean, growing up, I mean, it's like people don't realize when you don't have a good relationship with a parent and you could grow up and you can go

therapy and you could deal with the real world and you can go, hey, I've got my life, you're going to show them successful and all this, but it's still, there's a hole. You know, it, uh, you really don't realize how much that shapes you as a person and gives you all this stuff that, uh, manifests itself in your behavior and all stems from that. Yeah. You know, it's, it's a, it's a really interesting dynamic. But there wasn't anything like, I mean, you were a great football player. I mean, a great.

Pack 10, right? Yep, yeah. I mean, linebacker, everything's going right, but whatever. Oh, I thought you were a linebacker. No, your son's a linebacker. Yes. Right, my dad. I don't know football.

Well, man, you know, but I'm surprised. I'm not surprised because my father was never complimented me on anything. Never said, I'm proud of you. Great job. You should be proud of yourself. Whatever you do, I love you. I never heard any of those things. So I can relate.

And we tend to, at least me, I tend to try to do as much as I can for him to acknowledge it. And then you realize one day that's not going to happen. Right. And you can't live your life trying to do that. You have to live your life for yourself. Exactly. And that's kind of, well, my life started changing with Christopher because I was really reckless, really didn't give a shit about, you know, I was, you know, part.

party all the time that that was when I first started looking at what am I doing you know is it a moment moments lots of them lots of them and then it was it's kind of it's it was a progression to well here's what I want the genesis of it was I don't want to want to have the relationship with my children that I had with my father yeah that was was the genesis of it yeah um but very much into that before christopher my first i did things to spite my father like what like how i threw myself into acting how getting roles get it was it was to spite my father did he look down on acting you think well you know after i played in the hula ball my senior year and i saw the difference in how i approached football

which for me it was a performance Saturdays was my time Instant gratification Yes People applauding you Yes yes and the rest of the week Why are we doing this? Let's watch some film

Yeah Like how about let's be better up here Than they are You know us hit each other every every day Yeah That's not gonna make us better We already know how to tackle We already know how you know

And back then They would use that as a punishment going live, which means full pets, full contact, till, I mean, I remember we have all games and calls on Saturdays very infrequently on a Friday night. I remember we went live on a Friday before a game because we had missed some tackles the last week or whatever it was, but they very much used the physicality of the sport as a punishment. and which leads to what we're seeing now, men of my age.

So that, I wasn't, I didn't love football. I loved that one day of performance. Wow. And so I was fortunate enough to go to the hool ball, which is the top seniors of the nation. And I saw these cats from the south, from the Midwest, from, where if they didn't have to, if they didn't make it in football they were back on the farm or back in the mill back in mine yeah back in you know so and you know god bless them but that just wasn't ever me that wasn't ever you you had to have a backup plan what i knew from the time that i was seven that i wanted to be an

actor seven i saw this movie sounder kevin hooks paul winfield since This is Lee Tyson. The crux of the story was this kid, dad goes to jail. His best friend becomes his dog, Sounder. When the dad comes back, there's, you know, changing the dynamic. He's a different dude. But ultimately, the dad has to put Sounder down. And I remember watching Kevin Hooks and this extreme close-up and the pain in his face

in the and and and realizing how it was affecting me at seven it's like i want to do that that's what i want to do what's amazing you say that is most people talk about oh i saw this action movie and i said i want to do that or this comedy it was funny and i want and something emotional gripping and like visceral yeah made you think this is what i want to do right something emotional not really fun not like big giant stories telling sets right that tells a lot right it does it does it does and you know it really i probably would have quit football a lot sooner but it was kind of the beginning of using athletes in commercials athletes when i was young first started getting TV series.

So you had like Merlin Olson, had a show, Fred, that was Fred's last name. I forgot, but he had a show on NBC. And it was Ken Gifford, Frank Gifford. Was on, you know. So he started seeing these guys everywhere. And then when

kind of my own sort of, maybe little, basically peers, started segueing from football to being in this car, commercials being, you know, seeing O.J. en route. Yeah. Hey, maybe this gets me. Because, you know, it seems like the quickest way to get acting is to not be an actor.

If you're an influencer, let's get. If you're this, if you're that, everything but someone who's trained to do. Yeah. I never thought about that, but you're right. You know, and I saw that back in the 80s. So for me, football became about getting my name out to kind of circumvent the natural process of how you would get acting job. So you wanted to become the best football player and known more and more. A known football player.

A known football player. That was the goal. Yes. If you were just a mediocre player or okay, this wouldn't happen. It wouldn't happen. And so. And you had a personality. were you controversial uh just a little just a little just a little inside of you is brought to you by

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a place where I could take out my anger legally and boy it did I mean as a freshman I led the PAC 10 back then as the PAC 10 in personal files because if you were if you said something to me

it didn't matter if the whistleblue I was going to exact revenge whenever it was you're going to get them yeah yeah absolutely do you think people started prompting you or trying to like get under skin so they get penalties back then it really wasn't like that it was playing the game it was playing the game and if you were a shit talker you it was almost like hockey was if you ran the star player you knew you had to drop the gloves against the bra and force yeah yeah you knew that So it was known going in

Like the first play of the game If you were a star receiver I was fucking yo ass up first play the game I don't give a fuck if it was a run across the other side of the field I didn't give a fuck whatever I'm gonna run I'm gonna knock the fuck out of you And you think a lot of this anger came from a lot of childhood shit Oh absolutely absolutely

But the genesis of it was childhood shit But then don't forget the social climate back then. I mean, we were not far removed from the civil rights movement. In fact, it was still the tail end of the civil rights movement. We were, at that time, it was kind of

the really the beginning of the ending of the middle class, right? So there was lots of people angry um and i just had i had a place that i could yeah legally go out and do this and not get you know in trouble for it exactly right i mean you can get in trouble for it i'm sure i mean 15 yards at a time i guess but how did you have 15 yards at a time that should be your book 15 yards at a time but so with this anger and this build up and this like you know hey i'm ready for saturday i want i want i want to be around people i want to get something that my father never gave me

I want to get gratification. I want to get attention. I want to show the world what I can do. All this stuff. How did that translate in the starting acting? I was fortunate enough to go to the University of Oregon. My freshman year, I won the Len Casanova Award, which is for most valuable freshmen or best, whatever,

the actual repatriate of it was. So, Kaz, our coach emeritus, who was actually in the NFL Hall of Fame, took a shine to me right away. And we were fairly close through the years. It kind of, there was an inciting incident at the Hulibald that pretty much ended my career in my mouth. And so when I got back to Oregon, I was like, I'll never see it up again.

This is, I'm going to go, I want to do what I want to do. Um, so I have to be walking by Kaz's office and Kaz called me in and he had heard about, you know, the stuff that went on to a little ball and you got in trouble. Well, I, I just made some comments to a certain scout that it was back then you kind of knew who was going to draft you or who had interest in, and they would kind of let you know. So the certain scout, uh, after I'd been out carousing, all night and just barely made it back to get on the bus to go to practice. So, son, you know, if you want to be such and such team, you're going to have to change your

attitude. And I then responded with, well, then fuck a certain team spread like wildfire. People don't know how important it is in the evaluation of a player that they, the player, given player is a football player through and through they love it they love the smell of it they love the sound of it they love the sight of it and that wasn't me i mean it's and it's all different elements it's it's mental physical talent all these things it's not just one thing and if all of those don't jod you're marked down you're marked down for intelligence people because they don't want fuckers who ask question they want fuckers who follow rules

they don't want people who are going to question the defense they want fuckers who are going to execute a defense that was never me i'd be like well why would be in two man when they have this fuckers don't like that you know they don't want this kid questioning right these grown men so that was sort of the beginning of the end well and sorry kind of no i like to get back um so cass said what the fuck are you going to do then I was like, Kaz, I want to be an actor. And instead of laughing or rolling his eyes or, he's like, really? Like, yes, sir.

And you're sure of it. Yes, sir? Sit down for a second. Makes a call. I'm going to sit in this kid down to you and I want you to hire him. What? Yeah. Yeah.

And so the guy he called was Stephen Cattle. Dude, greatest American hero. Stephen Cattle. Right? Yeah. Stephen Cattle had played football under Caz at Oregon. Caz was his coach. Wow.

So, you know, Stephen Cattle, yes. But then he went on to create 21 Jump Street, wise guy, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And so that's kind of how I got in. And you didn't really know what you were doing? Fuck, no. Did you ever take classes? Well, I, okay, so I went into college as a pre-med major.

Wow. Because I figured, fuck, this football shit. You know, who knows? I'll fall back on being a brain surgeon. That's what fucked up my thinking was. That's true. So I quickly realized I couldn't do the math. So I then was a philosophy major.

And then I was a psych major for two years. And then I ended up with a telecommunication film because I thought production. Yeah. That's how I can be around if the whole acting thing. But through that, we had to take performance courses, along with writing courses. And that, I remember Grant McCurney. Grant McCurney was this little man who had just won a Tony.

But somehow Oregon got him there, gave him tenure. and that's when I first started learning about that acting was the place where I could funnel all these emotions, you know, and that was kind of really, I really knew then. I wanted, then I knew. Could you see you were excelling right away when you were in these classes and you take it? Like by the, were the instructors, like your mentors, were they sort of like, you've got something? Did you have those people that told you that?

Yes. But first I got told I was full of shit. Why? Because I was afraid to be emotional. Pray to look stupid, afraid to fail. Exactly. Exactly. And so you just...

Because the idea of manliness was so different back then. Right? You, you know, if your love interest got killed, you know, you didn't fucking shed a tear. You fucking looked at the camera and, you know... Man, I don't cry. Yeah. You know, so, but I was fortunate enough to have that, that, no, this is what acting is. Letting go over it.

And they will manifest themselves, however they manifest themselves. So that was, I just, I had a great start. I didn't go and have to unlearn a bunch of shit. Yeah. I always say that the best actors are those that have had experience. in terms of life experience. Absolutely. You came from, in a way, in a good way,

you probably became a successful actor because of the shit you went through as a kid. Because you could tap into that. And I wasn't afraid to use it. What you didn't have, the anger, probably second nature. You could probably just go, boom. Oh my God, he's scary right now.

Yeah. You know? But also, but the other end of that coin, the flip side of that coin is the hurt. I could access that equally as well as the anger. The pain. And, you know, I've always said the best actors are the ones who aren't afraid to deal with their personal shit on camera.

And where are you going that? That's up to the individual. But, you know, for me, it's very transactional. You know, I'll read something. We negotiate the deal. That buys them a certain amount of my pain. Wow. That's that's it.

it. So, you know, you, I mean, shit, you've got on a series for a long time. If you're not number one, you may have these great emotional scenes that really written well and they really speak to you, but you are familiar with the edit. Right. So rather than being on you, dealing with your pain, they're on the lead, seeing his reaction to your pain. So you often feel cheated. You feel like, why the fuck did I give them this? If they're not going to use it. If they're not going to use it. Did you deal with that a lot? Oh, shit yeah. Shit yeah. And it was transactional. You have bought 20% of my emotional experiences. And I would never go above or beyond that.

So sometimes in your career, there'll be moments where I could do this. I could go, but I know what this is. But I know what the cuddle be. And you wouldn't tell anybody. No. you would just do it how do you tell us to tell a motherfucker uh you only bought 11% of my emotional no but like they could say hey but no but they would say to you hey give me a little more can you give me a little more you like no i can't that's all i got like that's how it speaks to me what was the first break you say you got the one where you're like okay i'm in this i like this you know probably the all the early stuff was when i knew i was in the right place because

I felt happy. I love the hustle and bustle of sets. I love this group of people working toward a common goal. I love the majority of times, the camaraderie. I felt happier there than on a football field. Did you ever deal with egos and revert back to that old FU kind of? Well, but see, the thing is, when I was young, I was big. I'm a big guy now.

Oh, I was twice the size. Really? Like, what I weigh now is what I weigh in the ninth grade. What? Swear to God. This is what I weighed in the ninth grade. So I was a lot bigger. So you didn't have a lot of fuckers who, like, they would do shit.

But I was still very much of, I'll punch you in the fucking mouth. I don't give a fuck. I still had that mentality. Yeah. Like, don't mess with me. Well, it's just respect. Like, I'll always respect anyone. until you make me not respect you.

Until you disrespect you. Yeah, or someone else. Or someone else. Because that was never lost on me that with size or with whatever, you're obligated to protect other people also. A lot of people don't think like that. Well, my mom gave me that, you know. Yeah, what was mom like? I mean, you had this father who was an alcoholic and difficult.

You didn't have a. My mom was the greatest motherfucker on earth. Without your mom, do you think things would have gone real south? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you mind if I tell this story, Beau? So, literally, say, my dad and my son were out hitting golf balls in the back. And so my dad, I think I told you, my dad from the time I was 13, thought I was going to kill him or try to kill him.

So he would always have a gun on him. Your dad always had a gun on him. 24-7 when I was around, always. So... Your dad. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

So my son and my dad were on the back. And I guess Christopher had seen the gun or... So he went to... Oh, Papa. What's... And he slapped my son. So my son came in crying. I was like, what's wrong?

He said, Papa hit me. Immediately snap. I was going to kill him. So my dad was walking in and he knew that my son. had. No, my dad was a tough motherfucker. He's the only fucker I've ever seen. Big guy. No. No. Wouldn't back down, though.

Only fucker I can truly say I've never seen that fucker afraid of anything. Really? Like, when I was little, I used to go to work with him, three, four separate times, fuckers came in to rob the place. People are hitting the ground. People, that, what the fuck are you going to do? Like, we got to cost it on the street. The fucker came up, say, hey, do you have a lighter? matches

my dad was like yeah dude fucker pulls out a gun my dad says you better be prepared to use it the fucker ran off that fucker was just not as afraid of shit so so he walks in the culmination

this is the culmination of what he's always thought he's always thought he was going to come to this so he was prepared he wasn't scared of you fuck no he wasn't scared of you Fuck no. How old do we?

I guess you were in your, what, 30s? 20, my mid to late 20s. So he walks in. Yeah. And so we're squared off. So he's kind of got his hand. Did you say something to him first? I think I started to, I can't really remember that part of it.

That part is kind of hazy because I was so infuriated that I, I, I can't even really. Yeah. You saw. Yeah. And we're at that. point where either I'm going to get the gun from him kill him or he's going to kill me my mom walks through the door she had never come home early from work ever and that day she just since something was wrong so she came in through the door and she looked at us and we looked at

her and my mom knew at that time didn't cuss and She said, what the fuck is going on? And then we were both so shocked that she said the F word. Wow. That we both stopped. So she got my dad upstairs and she said, I told us to leave. So we got out. So I called my mom.

And my dad was so drunk. He was on another line. And I guess he thought he had called me. So he's like, oh, buddy, I'm so sorry. And my mom on the other line is. going, don't come, don't come back, don't come back. He can't even process that she's saying that. He's trying to convince me to come back.

So. Why? To kill me. He wanted you, he wanted you to come back to kill you. Yeah. You're sure of that. I'm fucking positive of it. Why else?

Was that the last time you saw him? Uh, no. We, uh, We went to the sheriff. Explain them what happened. My mom called. I said, Ma, you got to leave this fucker today. Or you'll never see me or my kids again.

My kid again. She said, okay. Told the sheriff what was going on. Told him we're going to get my mom. They had like, I don't know, six. They brought six or seven cars. I said he's probably got a weapon. You think there's going to be a shootout?

They were geared up for it. So they let them in. There was a gun in every single room of the house. And so they sit them on the couch, handcuff them. My mom come in, gather up what stuff she wanted to take. And that was the last time ever saw. Last time you ever saw your dad? Yeah, last time.

Ever. Did he ever try and get in touch with you? I'm unsure of that. My mom never really said it, but she, kind of led me to believe that he wanted to talk, but I'm not sure. I think it was my mom who always wanted the best outcome for everyone, yeah, who was trying to facilitate that. But I'm uncertain, but it didn't matter.

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it was it's you know i had to excise this is he still with us no he died of shit although when you're a junior high 15 years ago 15 years ago is that when you died like i don't And how'd you find out? Well, my mom had come up to visit, out to Vancouver. And, no, it had to be before that because we were still shooting Stargate. Okay, yeah, so we got it done 2008. So your mom was the one who told you? Yeah.

How did she know? Well, he had gone back to Houston where his, well, both sides of the family were in Houston. So one of my dad's sisters called my mom. Did you ever talk to your dad's sisters after that? Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Okay, see here, this is a whole fucking, my dad's was an evil motherfucker. So there was another incident after we left where, you know, he had stabbed the next door neighbor who had started a car business with in the temple, fucking ripped his job.

It's like stabbed through it down, stabbing through the other fucking. But I tried to tell him the day I left. I was like, get out of business with this motherfucker because he'll say, you try to steal from him. and he will try to kill you within a month, within a month. It happened. So when he went back to Houston, there's multi-levels to this shit. The book. The reason that...

15 yards at a time. Yeah, right? Yeah. It would have been his third strike. But my mom used to do Johnny Cochran's payroll. So he got one of the other charges taken off so it wasn't his third strike. Otherwise, he would have been in jail for the rest of his life. So he goes back to Houston.

Now he's at that time, he's got three sisters and a brother who are still alive. None of them would let him stay with him until he got settled. So they knew. Like he, that fuck was born evil. So finally, his sister lets him move in. What happens within six months? He shoots her son saying he stole money. boy like you got out there's so there's so many fucking levels of this year like i mean did you ever

i mean was there no uh sort of feeling when he passed that you were like were you like more like good and i meant it uh did i was ambivaling just didn't feel any he was out of my life at that point yeah and it had taken me so long to more kind of excise him from my DNA uh that that I was, and looking back on it, I had just built up this wall to keep the hurt away. Yeah. And it was after he died, I started having feelings of maybe I should have talked to him. Maybe I should have forgiven him because he had no idea how to parent. And he was brought up very violent.

He lived a very violent existence. So, but this was kind of when I had started there. where me forgiving him may have freed me. Therapy helped you a lot. Oh, oh shit, save my life. It doesn't matter whether I see a lot of shit saved my life. Whether he's alive or not, it's all about you. It's all about you forgiving and letting it go.

That's what it was. Absolutely. I've gone there. I've gone to where I'm just like, I did this thing called EMDR, which I've talked about before, which is rapid. I mean, have you done EMDR about certain. times in your life that you recall and they weigh heavily on you subconsciously whether you know it or not and through EMDR you pinpoint a specific time and it is the most emotional thing I never I thought it was out of body and after that I could think about these things and it doesn't affect me right I think about I go I know that happened but it doesn't affect me it's like a big tree was knocked down and a lot of little trees around it right you know and it's sort of like okay this moment you know and man it's hard it's it's hard it's hard having someone like that in your life and then

trying to go the opposite direction trying to be a good father trying to be a good person trying to be good you know a lot of these things it's it's a lot of these things are embedded in you and thank god you had your mother absolutely you know in more ways it's crazy it's also too you have to decide that the cycle, especially violence, is going to end with you. It has to end. You know, I took a vow of nonviolence back in 2009, 2008. Anyway, and I've only, and it was not too long after I'd done it. I've only broken it once.

So really. So in 16 years, whatever it is, you've been, you've kept it at bay. Yep. Yeah. Is it easier now? Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, it's, I just, I just have such a different outlook on life. So someone says something to you, you don't respond. You're just like, I'm not, I don't need to deal with that. You know, it's, I have this thought when I say something, you can't, I can't determine how it's received. When someone. and said something to me, I determine how it's received. Yeah. So it just really doesn't, as long as you don't fuck with my mama, as long as you don't fuck with my kids, as long as you don't fuck with my brother, his wife and kids.

Yeah. It's pretty, I really don't know. What about your girlfriend? Anything. Well, my wife. Your wife. I mean, I had to get used to, I mean, she's, fucking, she's gorgeous. So I had to get over.

out right away. Otherwise, I just, I just, yeah, yeah, you know, and if that's not abnormal. That's a good thing, you know, as long as it's not creepy and disrespectful. Yeah, but even if a motherfucker did get, I would say, hey, bro, you know, it's my wife. Yeah. So he would have the option then. To walk away, apologize or just walk away. Yeah.

Let me ask you this. Is it true? I mean, I read this and probably everybody knows this, but you had a roommate or something, and the roommate was had sides for Stargate. And when they were gone, you looked at the side and said, ooh, I want to do this and called your agent and said, get me an audition for this. It was my best friend from high school. Are you still friends?

Who had a roommate. We didn't live together. We were just, I was picking him up to, we were going to go play basketball or something. And his roommate was in the shower. I just happened to see these sides. So, I'm going to do this. I'm like, what the fuck am I? I'm not.

in on this. So I call my agents. I was like, have you heard of this? And they're like, oh, yeah. So why the fuck am I? I don't answer. Either I get in on this or I leave you. You really said that.

Yeah. Well, obviously they got the audition. Yeah. And you went in and how much confidence did you have in this audition for StarGame? I didn't think of things in those terms. How did you think about? I thought, and I hope I passed this to

to Bubba, that's my son, that the only time that you are in 100% control is the audition. As soon as you get to set, there's someone saying, oh, your hair's too long. There's someone saying, your voice is too deep. There's someone saying, oh, we got to put your nisk because you're too tall. There's the only time you have 100% control of this character is in the audition. So once I started living like that, it freed me up. That's rare. That's hard.

Nerves get you. Nerves don't get you. You go in there and do your job. I go in and I give my interpretation of the character. And did you get it on the first audition? So I went in. The first audition was taped and I had super long hair. And so we didn't hear anything for a couple weeks.

I was like, fuck. I got an audition for doctors, lawyers. thug number two whatever the fuck it is back then it was a lot more thug number two yeah yeah yeah so i cut my hair the next day get a call the screen test so we had to tell him you know cut his hair doesn't matter so we had two screen tests one was for showtime and one was for mGM so in between so went and went great and You know, I love this story. There were three actors there for General Hammond.

There were three there for Daniel Jackson, three there for Lieutenant Carter at that time. There were ten tealks there. Ten? Ten. There were black tealks. Well, one of the black tilks who was Tommy Chong's son. Yeah. There's white tealks, Asian tealks, Hispanic.

tealks they really don't know what the fuck they want which emboldened me even more um so in between i think our mGM audition was a screen test was first so they started reading off the names of the people who wouldn't continue on so there's more and more tealps leaving until i'm the only tilk left you were the only left yeah yeah so at that time, Brad Wright, came up to me and said, do it just like that, and it's yours. So I kid him to this day about, well, one of the great joys of being actors hearing that you got the role.

After your audition, after your screen test, there's that, I need to know. That's like, Brad, you robbed me of that. Because you got it before. You knew it was yours. Man, and you did how many seasons? 10 seasons and then two movies after 10 seasons two movies you wrote like three or four five but who's good I mean like it's so funny you know four and a story yeah but it's pretty

amazing most actors just you know hey I'm just gonna learn my lines hit my mark you know I'm the same way I'm like I'm getting bored that's exactly I get bored and I learn how to write that's what it came and then I want to direct I learn how to direct I want it because I just get bored right doing one thing. I've got to do a bunch of things. Right. Even if they're not successful, I just feel like I'm trying to do things.

So how was that? Did you write an episode without telling anybody? No. It started because, you know, after four years of going to all these planets, you know, motherfucking, the inhabitants of the planet would either fall for Jackson. O'Neill or Carter So I went up to Brad

And I was like You know I go out at night You know this is going And you know I seem to be pretty successful But on this show We go to all these planets And not one motherfucker has a thing for Tioch

And And so Brad kind of, you know, made him nervous. But he admitted to me that MGM wanted to stay away from that. And but here's the good part of that. He said, if you want that, you have to write it. So he opened the door to me writing. And how long did it take you to write this? Well, I pitched a bunch of stories.

and so the story I wrote the warrior and Deloese wrote that's Peter Deloese wrote the screenplay so I went back and I said okay I want to do a script I said but I want to do it differently then because you know they have a writer's room they spit ball and they kind of break the story right and then the actual screenplay is assigned to someone. I said, I want to pitch some ideas. And whichever one, if any, I want to write the screenplay.

Asked it. That's something you could say back then. I wouldn't use that terminology now. Right. Were they hesitant? Well, it wasn't they. I mean, it was Brad. I mean, Brad was the head dude.

There was no one else to go to. Like, and it wasn't, like, by committee, if Brad wanted something, that's what happened. And he said, yeah. And that was the changeling. And so I write it. And we go on break. So I'm thinking I'm going to hear something over the break.

Because I know Martin's directing. Martin Wood is directing. Don't hear shit. It's the Sunday now before we go back. And I had taken my wife somewhere. We had gone somewhere. but I was just in a bad mood because I hadn't heard shit

and so we get home and I have messages on the answering machine the first one that I heard was Martin Woods they said man this is fucking great thank God

at least somebody liked it the second one is from Brad and it's him giggling and he's like this is good this is really really good and so yeah They bought it and produced it.

Were you shocked? Were you like just like, I can't believe this is actually happening? I mean, you decided to write. You wrote an episode. And these episodes are not easy to write. Right. You have to know the other characters, how they talk. The situation.

It's not just. And the fact that, I mean, that's got to feel good that they were like. And that's just, for you, though, they just opened the door. You're like, here we go. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was, you know, it's not lost on me what, how magnanimous that was that, because, you know, I mean, let's face it, the reality of it is that's taking money out of his pocket, you know. He's got plenty of money.

But he's got fucking, oh, yeah, it's okay. It's okay. But just the, to do that, to say, hey, we might lose this kid if we don't give him another outlet. But they loved it so much that you ended up doing all these episodes. Yeah. Yeah. That's huge. If somebody said, hey, we're going to have Stargate return.

We're going to do something. Would you come back? If the money was right, if the idea, let's say the story was right, or are you done with it? It took a long time for me to say, I would consider it. I would consider it. You would consider it. Um, I would consider it. You would consider it.

You know, during the down, while I was doing God of War, we were, uh, my partner and I were pitching a spinoff. Really? That made it through three different regimes. So in the, however long it's been, I, I wouldn't count the strike years. So since, wait, I'll start from, so I started God of War 12 years ago, 11 or 12 years ago. That's a long run. Yeah.

I really haven't had many jobs. God of War is a huge job. job. No, no, no, many. Not big. My shit's some of the biggest shit ever. What are you talking about? Yeah. I haven't had many jobs. They've just lasted a long time. Because I, let me... Nothing wrong with that, by the way. But yes, go ahead. So this spinoff was about what happened to Tealcon, his race of freedom. Because at the end of the show, they've gained their freedom. And they are now having... inherited all this technology from those that they served. So what do you do? And my take on it was that basically, so, you know, a lot of Stargate would be, so one of the, two of the episodes I wrote were about the Amazonian mythology. So it would be Stargate's take on the Amazonian mythology.

So I pitched Stargates take on Black Panther. So we, as this enslaved people, now our freedom, inherited this technology. And now we became this culturally and technologically advanced society. So what burden comes with that? Do you help other people or do you hide or do you keep it to yourself? Right. And so three regimes loved it. And then we were bought by Amazon.

So I would definitely be interested in doing something like that. And even Stargate, I mean, yeah, it was right if the scheduling was right. Yeah. How much? I would consider it. How much God of War? How much work do you have with God of War? How much work is it? It's a lot. What does it work contain? Well, first you do. all the cinematics um which is the the live part of it that we but then you still have to voice

the entire rest of the game um so we have in toto well i think just in the so in the first one i think we had what three or four hours of cinematics and then in ragnarok we we had i think quite a bit more than crados crados crados yeah well i say Well, you'd be wrong. I'd be wrong. Cratos. Can you just jump into it right now? You could easily.

Oh, yeah. I mean, the voice of it, yes, yes, boy. Nice and easy for you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, like my speaking voice is kind of my fake voice. Because I had an agent, God bless him, Irv Schechter, loved him. Irv Schechter.

Yeah. Oh, God. loved him. Loved her. We sat down, and I was getting close on a lot of stuff. And we didn't know. So Irving called. And one of the things was my voice.

And they said, your voice is so deep. People are afraid of you. So they think if you get on set or they don't know you, because of what leads you is that voice. Right, right. So I raised my voice, my normal speaking voice, maybe two octaves. Like right now? Yeah.

And it makes me more approachable. Like what is your normal speaking verse if you have voice if you had to do it? Oh, my old, that, that's, that's, and I mommel a lot. Do you ever do that a lot when you're kind of just feeling laid back or whatever, Jim? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, especially when I was a scotch drinker, just had them cigar. I mean, you know what the fucking good.

Um, what's next for you? I mean, what do you, uh, working on anything? A lot of stuff. Yeah. It's nonstop. You can't be not busy in you. Yes. But I choose to, I mean, I'm a golfer.

So even when I schedule stuff, it's kind of a round. Like I'm, we're, we're missing a golf day right now. Damn. Me and my son were going to be golfing a day. You can go do the back nine right now if you want. I sometimes have to tell myself that you don't golf to work, you work to golf, right? Yeah, yeah. So, but I just found out not too long ago, I'm going to have my first grandchild.

So it's really lit a fire under my ass. I really feel motivated. Your sisters, brothers. I really feel motivated again. You know what I mean? No, like truly, truly. That's amazing. So, yeah.

I love it. All right, this is called shit talking with Chris Judge. Oh, Christopher Judge. This is fast. This is rapid fire. I got a motherfucking doctor and shit. It's rapid fire.

Ph.D. Motrin.com slash inside of you, join, support the podcast today. These are the top tiers asking questions. Rapid fire. You got to ask them fast. Little Lisa, what's one of your favorite moments filming God of a War what people don't know about? The behind the scenes.

The behind the scenes, camaraderie of everybody. You love it. I loved it. And the fact that they let me still be there and even when I wasn't working, which is for the first time in my life that I stayed on set when I came to work when I wasn't working. So you had fun. Yeah, great time. Don G., big fan of Stargate. Did you think the series was going to last as long as it did? We knew that there was a possibility. So we went in back then already knowing we were going to do 44. So when the pilot aired, they bought another three.

So we knew that if we didn't fuck it up, it was 10 years. No, but we knew it would have an easy road. Jessica B, you're starting your life again. What's the first thing in your mind that you do differently? Drink more water. You think that really helps? Yeah. I got to drink more water.

No, I'm serious. My friends always say drink more water. You got to drink more water. I'm not drinking more water. That's right. But I want to also what I would do from day one is work is never more important than your kids. Never. No matter where you are.

Because the time with your kids, you never get back. 100%. William K. Do you have a passion project you're working on getting off the ground right now? What are some of the difficulties you face getting it made? Yes, a few of them. And the climate of the world, you know, from COVID to. eminent wars

to it's a tough place to navigate right now yeah I'm pitching stuff it's so hard it's so much it's just so it's work on top of work

and then once you get to this level and then even if you sell it after the pitch then four months of the deal and then you get back and then you got to write it for four months and then they say yes or no

and then you got to make it there's so many steps it's so hard land what is the one thing you can't live without my kids good answer PRC, what type of advice would you give your younger self?

Don't take everything so personally. Control what you can control. And Raj, tell me about a time you felt everything was going wrong. How did you push through and overcome that feeling? Probably during the last financial crisis. You know, people forget we were on strike also. So it was kind of a double-barreled thing. Like not only was the world at a standstill, we were at a stand still because we were on

strike. So it was tough to persevere through that. But you know, you do. You just fucking put your fucking chin down and go to work. What do you do for your health? Uh, my diet is so insanely clean disciplined. Very. Like what do you eat in the morning? Nothing. What do you eat for lunch? Nothing. What do you eat for dinner? Uh, after. So my time to eat starts at around seven. Sometimes it starts at eight um i'll either have chicken shrimp orange ruffy and a lot of food at that time not really so how do you maintain all the muscles though slowly so my brain can register when i'm actually satiated so you think it's better to fast throughout the day and eat one meal at night well but see i i i don't put it in terms of meals i have a time period you have a time

just the time period seven to nine mine is right now because i'm not training for anything is i would say probably nine to six in the morning isn't it bad to eat before you go to bed i don't know it's not bad for me well how do you maintain the calories to have such a you know you're you're you're a big guy you're ripped your your muscular i don't do jeans but that's why i can't can't get bigger because I would I would like to be probably maybe 10 pounds heavier but I don't take it enough calories to to put on weight right and you went through a time in 2019 where you had you had surgeries for four surgeries because I've had nine surgeries on my spine so I know what you're talking about in terms of pain but I had the rehab and you didn't walk for a while well I didn't walk before the surgery I mean I was on a walker I was a cripple um And I really couldn't until I had a bilateral laminectomy and I could walk. But what people don't understand is your hips control your back, not the other way around. So both of my hips were arthritic, bone on bone.

So I had both my hips replaced. So I did that. And then I had to get one of my knees done. And change your life. I was... You must have good surgeons. Great. Great.

And they told me the truth. Because, obviously, so they had paused God of War, Ragnarok. Because the first day I reported to film, I was in pretty good shape, but I couldn't walk without a limp. So, well, we'll probably be able to fix it. They couldn't fix it. So that's when I decided that I have to have the surgery. There's no two ways about it. And so they said, okay, we'll wait until you're ready, no matter how long it is.

And now you feel good? I feel great. Do you have to do rehab for it constantly? No. I haven't rehab since. So I did a year of rehab in September, December, December, in six months. So I would rehab in the morning, then do what was supposed to be my next day's rehab at And then so I

Sped up the process a hundred percent So what rather than it being a year? It was six months till I was fully ready to go. You love doing cons You know what I love saying thank you. I don't travel as well as I used to you know Maybe it's because I don't drink on flights anymore. Yeah, do you drink? No you quit drinking Quit what made you stop drinking? Drinking I got two DUIs. And so your first DUI, you have to go to a, I think, nine-month diversion counseling program.

The second one, you have to go to 18 months. And my first one was, you know, I didn't take it seriously. My second one, I was like, this shit's got to change. And so I redefined my relationship with alcohol. And I decided that if I wanted to be where I wanted to be, alcohol couldn't be a part of it. You probably redefined your relationship with people around you. With everyone. Change your life.

Yes. Yeah. You feel better? Dude, I never wake up, hungover. I never wake up tired. You don't make bad decisions? Not for me. I don't.

Man, this has been great. I've been trying to get you in here for a long time. You're such a sweet guy. You're so open and honest. And it's like this is what people want to hear. This is what I want to hear. I was just completely invested in listening to you. You know, one of the things I've felt guilty about is that I haven't been forthcoming with a lot of stuff that was going on in my life.

And that could have helped people. Yeah. You know, so I'm determined to, if someone asks a question, I'll just answer what's in all. Because maybe that will help someone. Because people could relate. Yeah, absolutely. Well, there you go. The gardeners are here.

That's, that's the day. Yeah, that's okay. Thanks for being, man. Thank you, brother. Chris is intense. But he's got such a big heart, and he just tells it how it is. He, I feel like when he says something, he's like, this is how I roll. This is the way I roll.

This is me. Love it or leave it. This is who I am. And I really appreciate that. I love how candid and open he was. And a big shout out to his son, who I love. You rock, man. Thanks for getting him on the podcast.

And yeah, it was a great time. It was a good one. It's another one of those where you sort of look at a guy who has seen it all and has somehow come out of the other side and is sitting on this couch, just having a chat. Yeah, man, a tough childhood. And, you know, the fact that he was open up. open about it yeah you know everybody has different childhood some people have great childhood some people have not so good childhoods and uh he sure let us know how it went down and it was as as as

much as i would like to say you know there's some things in my past and my childhood that you know weren't fun and but then you see a completely different level of unfun when you're talking to him and you're like wow that's i'm sorry you had to deal with that it's really and it's and it's not really how you had to deal with it, but it's how you deal with it now. It's like how much have you grown and how much have you accepted and how much work do you do to be a better father and a better communicator, better person. And I think he's accomplished that. And so thanks for being here, Chris. Appreciate it. Again, shout out to all the patrons. Patreon.com slash inside of you want to join us and help support the podcast. We could really use it. Since been the concert,

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