Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - DAN FOGLER: Dueling Pacinos, Filming Fantastic Beasts, Do Or Die Philosophy & Michael J. Fox Regret

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Dan Fogler (Fantastic Beasts, The Offer) joins us this week and opens up about the little miracles that he manifested throughout his career to pull himself out of lulls and how he keeps a ‘do or die’ philosophy to drive him forward. Dan shares what it was like shooting Fantastic Beasts in the UK over the last several years and what a surreal experience it was for him playing Francis Ford Coppola in The Offer. We also get to hear a match between dueling Christopher Walkens, some on-set stories of the late great Carrie Fisher, and Dan’s uncomfortable run-in with Michael J. Fox. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I think you're going to have to hold your microphone today. I'm just going to hold it today. No, it's a little gravity's not on my side. But hi, how are you? Because you got love, love, loving your side. Hey, guys, I hope you have a, I had a great weekend. I was in Vegas. It was amazing.

I was at the creation con, the supernatural con with Jensen and Jared. We took pictures together. It was so fun. My buddies band, Loud and Swain. All my buddies playing that band. Billy Moran plays on all three albums that I've done of mine. It was just a great time. The fans are unbelievable.

Love chatting with them. I thought they weren't going to like us because we weren't supernatural. But they're sort of a crossover because they aired after we did on Tuesday nights, I believe. And also Jensen was on Smallville for, I think, like a season or two. And we worked together. So I took like 50 pictures of the Jensen. And it was really funny. But it was great.

Vegas was fun. I was locked out of my Twitter account. So hopefully, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know what's going on there. I don't, I don't know. I think it was hacked.

I think I don't know. I do not know what happened. They said, you need to be a two factor verification. And I go, okay, I'll do that. And I did that. And after that, just locked. I don't know what happened. I don't know.

Maybe it was hacked. Oh. I don't know. But on Twitter, help me. Although Twitter kind of. sucks anyway you know instagram's like the thing about well you're definitely not going to get in twitter help i don't think well i mean look look how they're treating me i'll say something nice if they fix it but right now i'm pissed i'm all fine um tom welling and i will be listen to this

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break in Lucas Ranch. It was like back in the, it was fan boys. Yeah. Yeah. So my friend Kyle Newman, he directed it and this guy was in it, Dan Fogler. It was really funny. Yeah. And Dan Fogler was kind of a guy that's known for his comedy. Like you watch him and you're like, oh, this guy, he's the funny guy. You know, great at what he does. Yeah. And I stumbled upon this new show in the last six months on Paramount Plus, I believe. It's called The Offer.

It's the making of the godfather told in a way with actors about how it was made. Yeah. So it's, I had to have him on the podcast. I won't tell him how I got his email, but I got it from a friend, from a friend's friend. And I just said, dude, you were unbelievable in the show. We kind of know each other through some people. Would you do the podcast? And he finally did it.

And he was, he played Francis Ford Coppola. And I'm telling you, he was genius. This, if you haven't seen the show The Offer, you're in for a treat. It's just how hard it was to make movies, how hard it is to make movies. But this one in particular was pretty crazy. Anyway, I love this guy. He really opened up about his life, about what he wants, what he's doing, and about the Godfather and how hard it was to make this, to make that movie.

And without further ado, let's just do it. Let's get inside of Dan Fogler. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How you doing? I'm good. I'm glad you did this, man.

I'm glad you did this. You know, I don't think, have we met because I think we have a lot of the same friends and I've always heard your name come up. You've always taken rolls from me. But I've never actually met the Dan Fogler. Is that true? Well, it feels like we know each other forever. It does.

I already feel warm. I feel warm. You feel warm inside. I do. I feel like I know you. So I'm just going to pretend. like I do. Cheers. Cheers to you, my friend. Is that a mimosa? I'll say yeah. No, it's a, it's sparkling water with orange juice. I need a little citrus in there, you know. In a wine glass, very fancy.

Yeah, that was all that was left in the cupboard. Are you a fancy guy? I don't take you as fancy. I don't think you like going to fancy restaurants. I mean, I like to, but I'm not like constantly like, ooh, I got to go to that fancy restaurant, but I enjoy it. them i enjoy the finer things but i'm i'm pretty low maintenance i'm usually i'm normally the guy who like has a few places that i order from and i just keep going to those places i don't like to get the house much i have there's a couple of places if i do go out i'll go to i'm just i got to get out of my box man i got to get out of it yeah your creature a habit yeah me too man i'm i'm the same way um i have my favorites and my go-toes and and i'm open to hear other people's suggestions but

I usually go to my same old, same old, you know. It's just easy. You're just like, they delivered, they're loyal. It was good. Exactly. That's fourth. Yeah. That's, that's good.

Do you, do you have a lot of friends that you hang out with? Or is it mostly just you, the wifey and the kids? In London here, yeah, we have, well, yeah, we have her family's out here. So we see them quite a bit. I have a couple friends that are. live here, but I have friends that come in, like, vacation and, like, coming for, like, a week or whatever and pop in. And so that's cool.

Yeah, where are you at, man? I'm in L.A. I'm in L.A. I'm in L.A. I'm in L.A. right now. I'm living here. I'm about to film something in Rome, so it's more convenient to be here. But, yeah, no, I'm living here, man. It's crazy.

Yeah, I've been living here since the lock. down because I was shooting the third Fantastic Beast movie. Yeah. And I had the family out here. And we got a nice situation out here that my wife inherited from her family. So it's a nice house. And so I was literally like all mustached up, ready to go to my first shoot day. And they were like, they turned the car around.

I was like, what's going on? We're like, we're going to shut down for a little bit. And then it was like months. So I was supposed to be there for six months and it turned into a year and a half. So during that time, my wife and I were just like, all right, the kids are in school here. And we didn't know what the hell was happening in America. We were just like, let's figure out how to become residence here just in case. And, you know, I don't know if you got kids, but it's all about the kids like their

comfortability. They're in school. They like it. So it's just like, all right, well, this checks, this ticks off. a tics off a lot of boxes for us. I never thought I'd be living here, but here we are. Do they, do they like fantastic beats? It's a big production, big studio movies.

Do they, during the COVID, since they have you sort of on hold, do they have to keep paying you more and more as part of a policy? Or do they just say, no, you're getting paid the same, but you're just sort of on hold until we're ready. Yeah, no, it's like they shut down production. So that means that they shut everything down. So you don't get paid at all. I didn't say it.

That sounds like a real drag. You know, you say you live in London. I don't know, and you have a lot of English. I don't have a lot of English friends. I think that English people, for the most part, make me nervous. I do have English, but it's just the way they speak and I just feel like, oh, my God, I'm stupid. I don't know what it is, but it's just like, yeah, so we're going to meet at this restaurant. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm nervous already.

Oh, this sounds like, I have to wear a, I have to. to dress up a way i have to talk a certain way you don't feel that do you no for me it's like i feel like they're they just are part of the empire because i i grew up on star wars so i just assume that part of the dark side no uh yeah it was um when i first when i was shooting the first movie and i got here and yeah i felt like i felt like britain was uh i just had it in my head like like they're they are superior and i yeah and it was yeah and so like i like i wouldn't open my mouth though it would just be like i would point at things i'd be like i want that you know i was like ashamed of my and then when i started talking i you know it was like uh i would just try to

i would like put on an accent i was real i would do like a jacian stray from carna he's kind of sounded like nick uh frost who's been on the podcast i love him yeah yeah yeah you just That's good. Yeah, I would do like a fake accent and that would, I was able to get by like that for a while. I was just want to ham sandwich. It's so stupid. And you'd stay in it.

You'd stay in that character. Yeah, I'd stay in it. You know, those first couple months. It was cool, you know, you test out accents. Yeah. But people would, like, people would hear like, wait, that's not quite right. You know? Something's right.

Where is he from? What area is he from? Hmm. Right. And then when they start asking you. questions you're just like all right mate got to go getting nervous uh dude i'm looking at your your career and everything and i've seen some interviews with you i mean you've done so many different things it's like you know obviously uh good luck chuck and fanboys and fantastic

beast franchise take me home tonight which i was just talking about uh walking dead and what really blew me away was because i've seen you all these things i'm like oh he's so funny he's always good always brings it. But I emailed you or I message you because I saw you in the offer and it just blew me away. It blew me away. I was like this because I don't, you don't get to be serious as much as you get to be kind of funny guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But boy, I mean, they gave me a chance. Well, they always say, uh, comedy's harder, right? As an actor, so the comedy's harder. Serious is easier. I always felt like that too. Do you feel like that? Yeah. Absolutely. Because yeah, You don't have to, comedy is like math.

You have to hit, it's like music. If you don't hit the right chords, if you don't hit the right tone, they're not going to laugh. And it's just like, it doesn't work, you know. So it's a real art. But drama, you can just be. Yeah. You know, if the way you don't make anyone laugh, you just are. And that could be funny too.

You can find some dark hysterical moments in there, but it's a lot easier. And I like, like, I went to college for acting. And so I did all sorts of dramatic stuff, Chekhov and, you know, Uncle Vanya and fucking Shakespeare and Mammat. So, like, I knew I had all that stuff in my pocket from when I was in my 20s. And so everyone, you know, everyone's got their own course of how they get to where they're at. And I've had a couple of moments where I was able to do some drama along the way. like I get to be more like even even if I'm in like the Walking Dead for example I'm still more of a jovial character right but I do I do get to do just a lot of dark dark moments yeah um Coppola man he's he's a serious dude and Jesus so that was like and he's he's obviously iconic legend alive um it was a it was big shoes to stuff step into and um and he and he can be kind of funny you know in some ways so you met him no but

I feel like um I've seen I've seen him you know he's eccentric uh and he's passionate and you know he there are moments in apocalypse now that are serially hysterical um heart and like hearts of darkness you watch him in that but he's in apocalypse now and that moment is so surreal and hysterical, where he's just all, don't look at me, keep going. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. It takes, it takes a darkly comedic mind to, no, he, that's an opera.

Like, the Godfather's an opera. He creates, like, Dracula's are these, like, operas. And so you have to hit every note on the piano. You have to hit every color on the palette. Like, that's what he does. So there is this, there's a little. little comedy and everything and inside of you is brought to you by rocket money i'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money period it's rocket money it's a personal

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This is a great series. If you've never heard of it, it's sort of like how the Godfather movie came to be, how it was made, and all the difficulties, the adversity they faced, which I had no idea, the shit, that this movie almost went down, went under so many times. And the stories are so fascinating that you're like, this can't be true. And then you start looking shit up after you're watching. You're like, wow, this is true. this happened yeah yeah life is even strange in fiction um yeah and the show had did kind of um squeeze in a couple a couple years of history there um but there's there's i'd say about you know 85% that that show is are real things that happened and real um like every day

was a battle just to make the movie yeah uh like like first um Like Coppola, first Coppola didn't want to make it. He was just like, I don't know. I don't like how it makes Italians look. And then, like, the legend is that George Lucas was just like, dude, they're going to shut this place down. They're going to lock the doors of American Zoetrope. You got to do this movie.

So it's just like, he was like, okay. And then in meeting Mario Puso, he just found this kindred spirit, who was just like this, you know, other, because he's basically a writing genius. Coppola was a writing genius in his own right. He wrote Pat and won the Academy Award for that. And so he really hit it off with Mario. And from them, they really paired down the gold from that novel. And those are some of my favorite scenes. Oh, yeah. When you're with Puso and just sitting there and have a sand with a sandwich thing and the yeah it's just it's it's it's hilarious and you're like how are they going to do this how are we going to get anything done see it's funny there's there's funny moments

it's like yeah they're uh the two of them the two of them are a great odd couple in a lot of ways yeah pozo is just like it's you know sloppy and coppel is just like stay on stay on target yeah the other genius and i think everybody's performance in that movie was in that show in the series was fantastic. It's the offer. Brilliant. I'm not just saying this. It's a brilliant show.

I couldn't stop watching. I could not go to sleep. I had to watch it. And the guy who plays Robert Evans, what's his name? Matthew Good is like a time machine. I call him the time machine. He's Robert Evans.

He's fucking Robert Evans. I saw the Robert Evans documentary. The kid stays in the picture. I've heard him talk. I've heard he is Robert Evans. It's unbelievable how he nailed that. And he's a British guy. It's crazy.

Oh, my God. I was, yeah, I call him the time machine because out of, like, I love working with everybody. Miles, Juno, like, Byrne, Gorman, like, everybody was so fun to work with. But Matthew was Bob Evanston. And there were moments where I would be sitting there and I'd have, like, from my point of view, I have the Coppola glasses on, you know, and I'm looking down at Coppola's thoughts in his gigantic, you know, notebook that he had that broke down every inch of the godfather script. So I literally would just be like holding authentic thoughts of Copeland in my hand. And then in my periphery, there would be

Matthew just as Bob. And I would feel the paramounts, the paramount logo like on the wall. And I would have had abody experiences. I would like, I would have these moments where I was like, oh my God, what's my, what's my line? I would just be like, whoa, am I am I here right now? I felt like I was, I felt like I was in the office with Bob Evans, and it was just, that's insane. It was, it wasn't, like I jumped into Coppola's body or something. Like, I would, it was very surreal and it happened a lot when Matthew was wild. Did you ever do your Al Pacino on set?

Oh, yeah. Anthony and Toledo, who played Pacino, who did a great job. Yeah, he was great. And he was, he's kind of playing young, young Al Pacino. And, uh, which, I thought you like nailed it. And everybody was, I, I, I, I, I do more of an older, you know, Al Pacino. Like, whatever, like, everyone had a, had a Pacino on set.

And so it was crazy. It was, like, dueling Pacino's anytime Anthony was on set. And he was a good sport, thank God, you know. But, yeah, that's fun, man. Come on. That's just brilliant. Did you get the offer or did you have to, no pun intended, but did you have to, or did you have to audition repeatedly?

They wanted to see what you could do. Was it a tough get? I auditioned. I made a tape. So what happened was my reps email me and they were like, we want you to, they want you to audition for Coppola. And I was like, okay, great. And then I got the email with the sides and the header said Coppola, but it was Puzzo sides. And I was like, oh, I thought it was for Coppola.

And they were like, no, they want you to audition for Puzzo. And I was like, can I also audition for Coppola? And they were like, okay. So right away, like if I hadn't said that, who knows what would have happened? Wow. So I sent in an audition for Copeland for Puzzo. So first I did Coppola and I put my hair to the side and I had the beard and I put the glasses on and I was like, holy shit, I look like him.

You know, I was like, I didn't like really put that together. But then I was like, okay, this is this is not so hard to look like him. And then when I do my auditions on tape, I also, I tape the lines of the, of the, of the reader. So, and I played them back. So I'm basically reading with myself. And so I was reading, I was, I was, I was Pacino. We did this scene where Coppola and Pacino are in, are in, uh, the restaurant bathroom. And he's talking about getting the gun behind the, you know, behind the, the pull, uh, chain for the tank, you know, in the bathroom there. And that famous scene. And so I'm auditioning with that scene as Coppola, but also playing Pacino off camera. So I was like,

okay that's that's pretty awesome like not that i would ever play pachino but i was like they they you know and then i shaved and i put my hair you know back and i put other different glasses on and then i was i did puzzo and i did the scene where puzzo goes into chasins and he meets frank sinatra that crazy freaking scene where they ends up insulting each other and they're like he like goes to stammer with a fork yeah so i read so i read puzzo and then i also i also read frank sinatra And I sent all that in. And I was just like, whether I get this and not, I just read for four different roles, you know, for this freaking thing. And I sent it in.

And then I got, they got, I got Coppola. How did you, how did you, I mean, did you memorize all your lines? Are you a good auditioner? I, I go to, I've, for auditions because they just happen quickly like that. And you got to be off book. I got a couple different methods. I have the lines in my ear sometimes. How do you do that?

How do you do the lines in your ear? You, oh, you take, like you have your thing like this, preferably one that's like black or something. Right. It blends in and you put it over your ear like that. You're sticking in there and you flip it behind there and you just, it's, you just get everything. I just record all my lines and I can just hear my line in my ear and just say it.

And just, but that's hard because you usually have to have a reader so you have to wait for their timing it's a it's a whole mind fuck so i stopped doing that um and uh nowadays i just do the brando thing and i just have my sides taped off camera so you never really memorize your lines no you got to pay me for that man dude i i holy shit man i'm gonna start doing that yeah i'm not kidding that because that's how i feel i'm like i don't want to learn six pages of dialogue to say no i don't have to time? Who has the time? Who has a photograph? We used to have the time, Dan? No, I never had. I was terrible at it. That's why I became a good improviser because I always go up on my line and I got to fill in the gaps. And that's, that's, you know, sometimes that makes it into the movie and sometimes it doesn't. Depending on if the director, writer, whatever, like it's like, can you get my line exactly correctly with all the punctuation? You know, you never know who you're going to be dealing with there.

but do you usually know your lines when you're on set most the most part yeah i try to be very off book but i know just just i'm human that at some point i'm gonna mess up my lines and i don't like to mess up my lines i don't like to stop the whole production i like because i'm from theater i like to keep the ball in the air so if i fuck up my line i will continue with something else stay in camera character until someone else feeds me my line or i remember or whatever but i don't ever stop the scene. I just keep on going until they say cut. Are you, when you look back, when you started in theater and all that stuff, when you're sitting here at your age, what are you, 46, 45, 44, what is it? Yeah, keep going down. Forty four. Forty four, 40, uh, sold. Sold to the man

of the beard. Uh, are you, this is a weird question. Are you where you thought you'd be? Are you a lot further along than you thought you'd be or are you expecting to be way bigger of an actor what was in your mind what kind of ego what kind of if you look back i think i got exactly what i wanted like i always wanted well i'm i'm you know i got a lot what's crazy is that i was in college they were like you're not going to work until you're 38 because you're a character actor and i was like holy shit i was like um and and basically they were they were right like i didn't really like fit into my body like really own my my character until around that time but i was like fuck you i want to work earlier than that i would hope yeah

i got to make some money yeah so it put a fire in my uh in my belly to just like prove them wrong and i did i started working in in like by like 28 you know which was 10 years earlier than they predicted and then um but i've had certain lulls in my career where i was like oh that didn't go well that didn't go as planned and i've had to you know life happens and then i've had to i've had a couple miracles like i've had to wish on stars for opportunities that have happened like fantastic beast um that came out of the blue which i was like whoa like i in my head i was just like, where the fuck did this audition come from? I thought that I would have to get this role down here and prove myself in this next

role here in order to be even anywhere near contention to be in that room for that audition. But for some reason, I was suddenly in that room, maybe because they were looking for a certain type or whatever, but they fucking looked at everybody. I auditioned, and then they were like, okay, great and then they'd audition everybody from here to the moon and then they come back to me a couple months later so it was just like I've had these moments that were miracles happened

where like I was on Broadway for the first time in Spelling Bee this was my big break I got a fucking Tony Award the first time I'm on Broadway I didn't think that was going to happen that was a miracle to me I was like okay miracles are possible you are you do get these moments where the universe conspires in your favor and just gives you a leg up because when I won the Tony Award, that's when movie offers started happening. So you get these opportunities and the

offer was kind of the same thing. Like the offer, like I thought that, okay, I've been doing good work and Fantastic Beast. I'm doing some serious stuff. But I would think that I would have to play and my thinking is like, okay, I would have to play Balushi. I would have to play Sam Kinnison. I would have to play something like that first, do well in order to improve myself, in order to even be in contentioned to audition for Copeland. Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this.

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How are you playing a mastermind? I don't know. Dude, I mean, come on. You're like, you're a weaner. You're not going to. And I couldn't see it. And a lot of times you hear this by these coaches, you know, they're like, if you can't see it, nobody else can see it. It's a mind game.

It is. You got to believe it. And then you can, and then you can, and then you can will it to happen. But even when it happens, you're saying, you're like, hell the fuck did this happen? Yeah. I mean, well, well, yeah, because there is a kind of moment there where, especially with something like Coppola, where it's just like, okay, I got to prove to a lot of people that I can do this. I got to prove it to myself. I got to do it.

So the first couple of days on set are a little, you know, stressful. But you do scenes and you read the room, you know. And Dexter Fletcher, who was the director, was like a fucking hypnotist. Like he was just like this incredible cheerleader where like from the moment like I was in costume. And he was like, you're him, mate, you're doing it, mate, you are Copeland, you're just him. You know, it's just be like, okay, I'm him. You're right.

You know, and he was just like, had this amazing talent to just instill confidence so very early on. And then I was like, I trusted it. I was like, okay, I don't got to see playback. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. And because when, I think when you're dealing with something so, like, so much, so much importance in our business, you know, like that someone like Coppola, I think you have to just like let it go and just play and it's going to be what's going to kill yourself. I mean, you'll beat yourself down. And also like having someone like this director, imagine if you had some director who was just like an asshole or wasn't really present. You're like, oh, let's do another one. Let's do it again. All right. Great. Moving on that you didn't trust. Then you're going to spend the whole feature going to be laughed at. Do I suck? What's going on? You need. We need as actors, we need some assurance.

We need some trust to know that we're on the right path. We're doing the right thing. If we don't get that and we just, very few have the confidence to just trust herself and no one else. You need someone else to kind of guide you a little bit, don't you? Yeah, you need a good. That's why you want an actor's director, Dexter, it's been acting since he's a kid. Like if you're in a comedy or something and the, and the director.

There's a little wonky or they're like a new director. You can at least say, hey, can I see some playback? You know, can I see the dailies? They're more open to that. So you can at least gauge your performance, you know? And in the moment, like especially, but with like a drama, there's not a lot of looking at playback, you know, there's not a lot of hovering around, you know, the screen. No time really, right?

Oh, well, there's time, but it's, it's not, it's a different kind of animal. It's like, because in comedies, it's like you're looking, you're, it's, it's, you get this little audience and you're standing around the, you know, the director's tent and see what's fun. Let's see what's working. You can see like, you're watching the play back and it's like, it's a group effort. You're like, yeah, yeah, that worked. Okay, let's go back and do another. But it's, I don't know if it's the same. It's like, it's almost too pretentious if it's drama.

Yeah. You can't really have that audience to go, oh, yeah, that was really good. It's just different. Like, I remember I did this movie with Steve Martin, and Steve would go to the playback, monitors, every take, every take. And he go, oh, I can go bigger there. I can go bigger. And I was like, oh, wow, look, I was learning from him.

Yeah, he was looking at this. It was called Bringing Down the House. I wore a horrible wig, and I just wanted to work with Steve Martin, and he was lovely. But, um, he doesn't work with it, man. Yeah. Love Steve. Oh, he's the best. I mean, the first day comes on set and goes.

tell me about this smallville and uh we hit it off and i'd be at lunch and go you mind if i sit here with you and i go yeah steve sit down we hung out in his trailer he played the the what was a banjo he signed my jerk poster which is somewhere in this house um he was awesome man he was he was delight um that's good you talked about loles like you know you had those lulls you're like oh what's happening this didn't work i didn't do well do you Do you get anxiety? Do you get depression? Do you have things that you do for it? Do you go to therapy? What is it that you, how do you deal with things? How do you deal with life? Rejection? It helps. It helps to create a philosophy for yourself where it's just like do or die, where you're just like, okay, whether like when I set out to be an actor, I was like, I don't care if I make a penny at this.

I'm going to be doing this till I'm 99 years old on the side of a road. with a hat just being like hello my baby you know like doing like a whole like tap dancing for people and like you know I really really that's true like if you were making no money you wouldn't have quit eventually you would have given up you would have kept doing a repertory theater whatever it was till I died I would have just kept acting yeah because I don't know man I just like it was it's my jam like I like I like I like I like if I, like, I don't know, like, if I couldn't act, I would be doing some other right brain thing, you know, like, that doesn't make money, like sculpting on the side of the road.

You are a sculptor. You're a sculptor. Yeah, but like, you know, it's, you know, it's a hobby, but, wait, if I offered you $50 million cash, 50 million, and I said, you can never act again. Oh. It's kind of sad. Here's 50 million. 50 million, you can never act again? No, never act again. Holy crap. I'd have to talk to my wife for that. 50, take it.

We can act in front of each other. Nope, can't even act in front of each other. You can't even act in front of, you can't even pretend to like things. Wow. 50 million. It's a lot of money. I don't know, man. I feel like I would still like sneak away and make,

like indie films like secret films to feed the beast in my belly yeah i don't know that's amazing that's amazing that you even ponder that because if somebody said i'll give you five i'd be like fuck yeah five million i'm done let's move on to i'll direct i'll uh i'll do whatever i'll travel i don't know i still got something to prove like like if i had done like if i had gotten to this point and you offered me the same thing and i'd be like oh yeah i've done all my favorite roles and all the things I wanted to do and, you know, that I would say like, yeah, I guess I could step away from acting

and that would be a kind of like a rock and roll kind of thing and just live, you know, but I haven't. I haven't done anything. You just said, I still have to prove. Do you have to prove to yourself or do you have to prove to everyone else? Be honest, because a lot of it's like, I want to show you that I'm a fucking brilliant actor. Or do you want to just prove to yourself too

that you're capable of doing that? I know I'm capable of doing it. I know, I know, like I said, like in college, like, I did the full spectrum of, like, I had like a really good idea of what my abilities were in college as what I would call a sad clown, the kind of actor that can make you cry in one sentence and make you sad and make you happy in the next sentence. And that's what I always wanted to be watching actors like Robin Williams, who I love and may he rest in peace. And like, I was like, not that I'm anywhere near the quickness of Robin or his talent, but I was, I would strive to be like him. And I knew in college that I like, I was like, oh, I can make people laugh and I can make people cry. And I've been given chances to do that in certain roles over the years. years but I haven't there's certain roles that I've always wanted to play and there are certain roles

that like I haven't been I haven't stretched my I haven't stretched all the muscles that I stretched in college you know for yeah this audience yet that I have their attention you know and I and so I want them to see the full spectrum and then um you can judge my career or my abilities on that and then I'll take you 50 million I knew you were going to say that and I'll take your 50 million. All right, fair enough. And let's go back. Let's rewind about eight minutes back to the lull.

We didn't finish that thought because I went off on a tangent because I wanted to ask you some things. But the lull, the what do you do? What kind of things do you do for the low? Because now you have kids, you have a wife, you can't just, all of a sudden you get really depressed and sad. And, you know, you've got a family to take care of it. But like, we do unintentionally. It's just human nature. But, you know, are your lows low?

do you get anxiety what do you how do you deal with it i can't turn off the creative um you know meter that's constantly going in my head so i'm constantly writing when i have a lull and i'm not getting any work i will direct i'll write something for myself and i'll direct the movie i'll and i'll i'll just put out an independent film where i it's like a vehicle for me like i'll just i don't know I feel like I just have to keep the momentum going. I am constantly, because I have kids and a wife, it's a huge motivating factor to be like, okay, I cannot sit around. I have to, you know, hustle.

I'm constantly hustling. I'm hustling even when things are good. Like, I'm constantly trying to figure out what the next gig is, creating, creating gigs for myself, creating like new pathways to make money with these abilities, like, it's

nonstop. And it helps when there's nothing going on. It keeps you focused. Work begets work. Gives you confidence. You're just like, okay, I can still do what I love and

keep my passion going and keep my passion going and keep myself and satisfied, you know. And there's a lot of fucking, like, I know that there was like those times during those lulls when nothing's going on, when people, you're the closest people that you have to you who have supported you all the way up until that point are suddenly like, yeah, maybe it's time to, you know, throw in the hat. you know and and when you're just like what are you kidding like we got this far now you think

like it's over like to use that and prove them wrong um huge motivating things you know it's just like um and then there is there's like a luck factor it's like a wishing on i i wished on a star Like, whenever there were lulls before, I have a tradition before New Year's, especially during these times, I would make a wish for some kind of guidance, some kind of, you know, miracle to happen. And it was answered every single time. And we can go into that whole thing, manifesting things. intention, manifesting, you know, things that you want in your life. I believe it's real that you can do these things because I'm living it. Ever wonder how dark the world can really get?

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I'm going to, I'm going to do, I want to make millions of dollars. You got to really, really believe it and also be motivated to do whatever it takes. You have to feel it in your heart to the point where you're, you believe it's already happening. And guess who's really good at that, actors. Yeah. Actors are really good at believing. stuff making

themselves believe situations so the art of manifesting stuff is the universe doesn't understand want and need it understands the vibration of the emotion so if you're like

if you're vibrating at that frequency of yeah I am so happy that this stuff is already happening then the universe says yes let's continue with that feeling yeah that's it you have to just vibrate at the same frequency as what you want if you vibrate with worry and need then you'll get that interesting drinking your mimosa this is uh very insightful as your list as i forget i'm even interviewing you i kind of start like yeah it's like it's just as a conversation this is like that interesting

i like we weren't expecting that were you wasn't expecting to not actually be interviewing but being really in it in it to win it um you know i gotta ask you this because she was a good friend of mine carrie fisher and you got to work with her and fanboys love her she was she was she just get mad at me because i said god you're like my grandma she's like fuck you and i go no no no no no i mean like your house is always open you're like hey stop by in between auditions have a sandwich in the fridge going do whatever i don't have to be home i stayed at her house for four months in one of her bungalows because I was going through a rough time and it was it was just insane she's so giving so wonderful and it was a real loss it was a real loss but what was your

experience I don't know how long you got to work with her but what was it like for you she was on set for a day she was a nurse in that scene um and I just you know it was a sad scene where she Because our friend, Chris Marquette, Linus, he's dying and he's not feeling well. And she's, like, supposed to come out and just be like, he's, he can see you now, you know? And I'm just sitting there just like, like, staring at her. Oh, my God, it's Mrs. Zaya. Right, right, I'm supposed to be sad.

And I couldn't get the fucking smile off my face. she is a trip dude she um this is how I'll always always remember her we're all we all came back from a break

and we're sitting around in the waiting room where she's supposed to come in and tell us to come and meet with the Linus and we're like we're waiting on Carrie and we're like okay yeah where's Carrie and she's just all I'm here if we look down and she's just like

like took her break on the floor just like lying on the floor eating eating fruit loops off of her chest that's her on the floor and she's like hey guys you know Jesus so relaxed and just like you know she's been living on sets her whole life and they was just like this I don't know as we just had so much reverence for her and then of course I was so jealous that Marquette got to kiss her you know i'm just like motherfucker oh that's amazing you know uh she did an episode of smallville and oh yeah uh they were looking for her too they were looking for carry and they found her in that you know those giant air conditioning vents that they put on set the little like worm like things that are really big that blow cold air into the she was she was in one cooling off

yeah she was living in there yeah she likes to get into a little nook oh me your rest in peace yeah man so honored that i got to meet her got to meet billy d on on uh fan boys yeah um got to meet some a lot of my favorite people like i love star wars like i was that's we can talk about that a whole a whole episode we could talk about star wars you know it's funny care i've talked about this but she gave me her force awakens chair oh carrie fisher uh yeah it was how did she become such good friends with her what was you know Well, my, I had an assistant at the time, and she called, her assistant called my assistant and said, hey, this is Carrie Fisher's assistant. And Carrie's daughter is a big fan of Smallville and Carrie wants to know if you could send her an autograph.

And I go, could she send me a return of the Jedi autograph when she's almost naked with Jabba the Hut? And so I still have the picture. It says, blow me, Carrie. And we became friends and she'd invite me to her parties. We actually threw a party together. And I just started hanging out with her and going. Again, I've always had this feeling my listeners know that I never really felt like I belong when I'm around big celebrities and things. But I'd go to these gatherings and it'd be Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, you know, Robert Downey Jr., Nicole Kidman, and like 15 people hanging out of her house all the time, like Merrill Streep and like, Michael, get in here, say hello.

I'm like, hey, Merrill Streep, hey, George Lucas. hey she didn't give a fuck she was like this is my friend this is michael i don't care how big stars you are he's welcome and she always made you feel like that and we just hit it off she knew i came from a dysfunctional family and obviously she did too and uh you know debby reynolds lived in in front of her in the little her little house that in on the same property right so we'd go down and visit debby who was watching qvc till three in the morning and she'd have all these pictures of like all these big stars saying to Debbie. I love you and it's Frank Sinatra and just crazy shit, man. So that's how we became friends. Postcards from the edge. Postcards from the edge, man. That movie still makes me cry

when Gene Hackman says, you have everything. People love you. And she goes, but I don't feel it. And I go, oh, man, that sucks. But yeah, I could understand that. We're almost done here. You're a big horror fan. Yeah, I dig horror. Yeah. I love horror. I saw you. I saw you. you're a horror fan. I don't know. You published a graphic novel, horror anthology, Moon Lake, a collection of stories, chronicles, the past, present, future of the most haunted town on earth, Moon Lake. I got to check this out. Yeah, I'll send you some, uh, I'll send it to you if you want.

Yeah. Yeah, we're making an animated show out of that. Um, that is my homage to Twilight Zone and Tales from the Crypt and Heavy Metal the movie. Um, yeah, I, like, like, uh, I dig horror. Like, I like, my, my horror is, um, like love jaws. Yeah. Love shining. Um, love like Cujo.

I would just watch Cujo last week again. I have a horror movie group and we watched Coojo and it still holds up. Oh. And I loved it so much. I emailed D. Wallace from the mother from, you know, in Cujo and E.T. and done tons of shit. And I go, we want to be in the pocket. She goes, sure.

So she's coming over the house. I'm stoked. I'm like a nerd like that. Oh, man. Yeah, that movie scared the shit out of me because we had straight dogs in my neighborhood. And I was like, any one of those dogs could be a kujo. We named our dog Kujo. It was a poodle when we were kids.

Little dog, cojoge. Yeah, man. Like, those are my jam. Like, the recent ones. Not many good ones. Not many good ones. Yeah. I'm like they're scary as hell.

like this like there's some paranormal ones like the circle there's they kind of they but they freak me out and in a way that it I don't know it's different it is different it's raw yeah you know what messed me up as a kid you remember the howling oh yeah remember the uh the werewolf transformation yes terrifying I think it was better almost better than the American werewolf in London transformation that one too is messed up they're both messed up because that was the pain of it he's got yeah i'm so freaky man there's some movies that just stick with you there's moments and time like yeah um all right look this is called shit talking with shit talking with dan fogler okay fowgler i said it right yeah good job uh these are from these are from my patrons uh they get

to ask questions join patreon patreon patreon patreon dot com slash uh inside of you the they really help the show more than they know here we go tom and does dan still crank up deaf leper when their songs come on. Yeah, I can't play ping pong without listening to Def Leopard. Dude, I love Def Leopard. Dude, so many fun actors in Balls of Fury. Oh. Oh, my God, so many fun actors.

Holy shit. Including Christopher Walken, who is like one of my favorites. Let's do Dual Walkins. So, Dan, how long have you been an actor? Well, let me tell you something. I've been an actor since I was born. I came out of my mother's vagina and I was holding the umbilical and I was using it as a microphone strumming it like a bass and everyone was clapping.

I had $50 million. Dan, quit acting. I'll give you $50 million. Would you do it? I still have so many more roles that I want to do, including the Chris Walken story. Have you ever been called Dan Fogelberg? Incessantly. Fogelberg, Fulgers, Fulgers, Crystals, Happen, Fogler.

I don't know what's so hard about Fogler. It's easy. Do I even sound like him? I just kind of sound like it. You do. That's great. Mattie S. I got to stop it.

Any fun memories from Take Me Home Tonight that you'd still like, that you'd like to Yes. Yeah. I love that movie. I had so much fun on that movie. The movie was just a constant party. I loved... They used every single Scarface impression. They used it's all sprinkled out throughout the whole movie. Amazing. Yeah. And that scene in the bathroom with Angie Everhart was... with the future man in the leather outfit. Do you know who that is? That is a, his, his last name is Frankenstein. That guy was related to Dr. No.

Yeah. It was part of his lineage. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. That was the most surreal moment of my life. With her smacking me, bruises up at my ribs.

She's riding me and. smacking me, and he's off on Frankenstein and his leather outfit. Ooh. Did you tell her to really hit you, or you're like, no? I did not tell her to really hit me, but, you know, what are you going to argue with her? She really beat this shit out of me. But the reactions were wonderful. Danny, spinning gold looks like a great film for those of us that love the music of the

70s. What is Dan's favorite song on the soundtrack? Oh, yeah. I love all the George Clinton stuff. Parliament Funkadelic. We go there. We do a little kiss. You know,

he discovers kiss, Casablanca Records. So, yeah, I mean, like if you're a music lover, there's all that disco, Diana Ross,

Bill Withers, man. Holy shit. What's your favorite band from the seven? 70s and 80s. My favorite band from the 70s and 80s. You could name two, 70s and one in the 80s. Oh, two different ones? Yeah, sure.

Okay, well, I really got into Zeppelin. I got into the doors. That's a little before. Arrowsmith and the Black Crows. I just saw the Black Crows recently in London here. and they were amazing. God damn it, they sound wonderful. They're singing the whole Shake Your Money Maker album.

And that was like, oh, my God, what am I in high school right now? It was crazy. I've never been a Black Crow's fan. Maybe I need to listen to them more, but I play hockey with their manager of many years. And he always talks about them. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'd rather listen to the Counting Crows. What's your jam, man? I mean, do you like that?

Because they're like a classic rock band. I love 70s, 80s, 90s. I can go on and on. But I like the doors. I like Zeppelin. I like the egos. I like, uh, I like, yacht rock. I love a little Christopher cross when I'm driving.

I like, uh, a little deaf leopard. I like, uh, I get into credence a lot lately. Yeah, I like alternative. I like the cure. I like psychedelic furs. OMD. Uh, Morrissey, Smiths, all that stuff. I listen to a bit of everything, but 70s, 80s and a little 90s.

Uh, last question, little Lisa, if you go back in time. If I can go. that time if you can go back on set to uh time on a set to change one thing what would it be ah um there was go back on set to change one thing marty go back in time on set time where is that boy damn damn it could be any set okay i will the i wish i can go back in time to win michael J. Fox forced me to do an impression of him for him. I wish that I didn't do the impression for him that I just went straight into my Doc Brown because that would have been a much better, less awkward situation. Is your Michael J. Fox Marty good? So here's the situation. So I'm

doing the spelling bee show. You want to hear this story? Sure. Tell me it. So, This is why it's good to know a couple different impressions. So I'm doing the Spelling Bee show, and I'm like, I'm just going to leave. And my buddy is just like, hey, I mean, after the show, the show was great, but I was like, I just wanted to go home. And my buddy was like, Michael J. Fox is in the green room. He wants to meet you. I was like, oh, shit. So I'm like running around.

I felt like I just missed him. And I was like, oh, man. And I turned a corner. And I'm just face to face with Michael J. Fox. and he's just all, he's just like, hey, man. And he's like, I'm like, hey, he's like, I hear you do an impression of me. And I'm just like, oh, shit. And I was like, yeah, I do it, but it's from my comedy act.

And I'm just like, it's not, I'm not, I don't want to do it. It's like, do it. Like David Spade, you know, he does one. And I was just like, I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, Dana Carvey does. It's like, okay, I'll do it. And I go, I go, this is what I do from my act. I go, whoa, Doc, you tell me, you built a time machine, out of Mallory. And then he looks at me.

At a Mallory. Family time. He goes, you know, my voice isn't that high. And he walks away with his family. And I'm just like, me, blah, my. And then like, I was like, how do I fix this? How do I fix this? So instantly, I turn around and I go,

oh, Monty, look out, the Liby! I do, like, my best doc Brown, and he turns around. He's like, whoa, Jack. And then his family started laughing, and then it was okay. Oh, my God. I wish that I could have gone back and just be like, oh, no, I'm not going to do it, Monty. And then we could have had that similar,

I don't know if he would have made me do it. Just never, no matter what, never do the impression for the person, even if they ask you to do it. That's my advice. What other impressions can you do besides Pacino? What's your best Pacino line? Oh, no, that's tough, oh, my best Pacino line is, I mean, I guess it's, you know, she got a nice ass and you got your head stuck way up it.

That's pretty good. That's great. It's okay. I do the screaming Pacino. That's great. I got like I love doing the walking I got a couple I do Nicholson I like doing Nicholson

That's good Are you out of your goddamn mind Like I like that's pretty good Yeah I do a little Nicholson too I love me my favorite line I've talked about it Is in The Shining when Shelly Deval goes Jack

Jack Someone's in the hotel They hurt Danny And he goes Are you out of your fucking mind Are you out of your fucking mind? It's so brilliant Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mr. Grady. What's that one line where he's He said, yeah, I forgot what he does. What does he say? She says something, she goes, I forgot what it was. I forgot what it was, but I love Nicholson. Oh, man, great.

Little hair dog that bit me. Yeah, there's different, there's different, you know, Nicholson's. It's like early, early Nicholson. And then as he gets older, it gets deeper and deeper. Yeah. You know, it gets the Joker Nicholson. What does he say when he takes the things out of the, the shiny,

takes the, the fuses out of the car? And he goes, oh, Wendy, you got a real big something coming to you. What does he say? Oh, I don't remember. You got a real big surprise. You ever seen the behind the scenes on that? Brilliant. It's a 30-minute one that Francis Ford Coppola's daughter made, right?

And it's like a 30-minute and he's brushing you. I don't know if people are going to find this very interesting. Yeah, that's it. Make sure your teeth are fresh. Fresh breath for the people that I work with. Love that. And he's meeting that girl and she's like, obviously like, he's meeting that woman. And she's obviously, they've obviously had something in the past.

Yeah. And she's like, you don't remember me at all? He's like, I meet a lot of people every day. You know, many hands I shake. You look like him when you say it. They obviously had sex at some point. Oh, my God. I have no clue to you all.

You look like him. Your face, you become him. It's weird. Yeah. This has been a real blast, man. You're fantastic. I'm so happy for all the great work you've done and the, the, uh, the, um, accolades and people really paying attention to you because they should um people should watch the offer it's it's

got to be one of your favorite things you've done right oh god yeah that was amazing like what a dream come true you're a genius this is this is a gift i'm glad we got to finally connect it was very easy to talk to you you have great stories and let's keep in touch and i want you you're going to send me something right you're going to send me a book i'll send you all my books i'll send you links to them Yeah, and don't be a stranger at these cons, man. We should hang out. I would love that, dude. I would love that.

Cool. All right. Yeah, I'll send you, I'll send you all the Fogler's Fictions, man. By the way, if you ever do a podcast, I got, yeah, I do a podcast. What's your podcast? I do a 40, Dan Fogler 40 experience podcast, and you should come on my podcast. We'll have a blast. Do you tell me when I'll be there?

All right. Next couple weeks, man. I was thinking a cool podcast. name for you you already have it would be the fogler files oh yeah yeah i do have a section of the podcast where i do tales from beyond the veil where we talk about all sorts of paranormal conspiracy stuff and the fogler files would be a good name just to like just do that stuff a section it's now time for the fogler files do do do do do do do do yeah all right dude you're awesome thanks for allow me to be inside of you, and I will talk to you very soon.

Do you feel me? Did you feel me inside of you? I felt you deeply, my friend, deeply, organically. Later, buddy. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me. Reading, playing, learning. Stellist lenses do more than just correct your child's vision.

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I like this guy. He was just really fun. Again, we didn't know each other. It's always like he never know what you're, you know, okay, are they going to get my vibe? And he just got, he just enjoyed things. We bounced off each other. And I'm glad to see him.

him like doing drama and getting noticed for this because uh you know i think sometimes you see you know i think when i was doing comedies i was just doing you know like i did this comedy and this pilot and this sitcom and this and this fun and i was kind of known as you know maybe a funny guy and he'll just do comedies and i thought that's what i would do and then somebody you know they gave me the chance and um small bill to play alex luther and the next thing you know i'm playing this it's just crazy you i think you know i think he said it or actually might have been um jk k simmons when i interviewed him he said that a lot of time comedians or maybe jim gaffigan gaffigan said it's easier for them to do drama and it makes sense i think a lot of times there's like all this

insecurity with actors and all this dysfunction and improving themselves and you know they're a little dramatic and dark and and uh maybe that's why i don't know but anyway thank you dan fogler and uh if you're just listening to the end of this there's a whole bunch of fun stuff like joining patron and supporting the podcast and my new album uh sunspin never is what it is out there go to sunspin dot com and uh we're also streaming everywhere and be sure to go to creation con in dallas to see me and tom willing do smallville nights and all that right now top tier patrons these are the folks that uh you know they do it they keep me together here we go ryan Nancy D. Leah S. Sarah B. Little Lisa, too.

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