Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - DAVID GIUNTOLI: Secret Grimm Romance, Almost Superman & Lessons in Humility

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

David Giuntoli (Grimm, A Million Little Things) joins us this week for an honest and funny conversation about balancing career, marriage, and fatherhood while navigating the highs and lows of Hollywood. David opens up about the stress of dating co-star Bitsie Tulloch in secret, the ego trap that came with fame, and why directing has become his true passion. We also talk about his struggles with ADHD, therapy gone wrong, his near shot at playing Superman, and the grounding force of family that keeps him centered. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we had um you know today today's a great episode uh you know him from grim he's been in a lot of stuff he's really sweet and funny and talented and uh we became pals i just i love seeing him and his wife, Bitsy, Bitsy, who was Lois and Superman, and she's done a ton of other stuff as well. And she was on the podcast. But let's get inside of David Giann Tully. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. we met on hi how are you hello i'm david hello i'm david gintoli gintoli gintoli well you can find another syllable in there if you want to find one gintoli gintoli there you go sing song so you're who's from

italy uh the blood of my father the blood of your father so he his his grandparents his parents kind of came from you said that it kind of too well that's it oh uh and out of via la coriante What does that mean? The lights went out. You know how to speak Italian fluently? No, dude. I started during the pandemic. I didn't know any words.

And then I have... Mostabella. Motebella. I have like a workable... I'm terrible. Like if I'm there, it's horrible. But I can say things like that. I like that, though.

Italian's a great... I'd never been to Italy. And I went to Rome, Florence, and... Past... I don't know. Anyway, down to the water, the bottom. Sure, the bottom of it. Postiano.

Pouillia? I don't know. I don't say that word on my show. It's a bad word. Positano. But I loved it. Yeah, it's nice. I loved Italy.

So now you have citizenship? I have citizenship. So what does that mean? Are you going to go? It's nothing. Are you going to get a place in Italy? No, God. Why not?

It's, listen, that's not. I did it out of, I just kind of, I can't stop in like the backstroke. I have to keep going. Now I have it. It's fun. I visit. I have a manager. over there now. Like, I want to work there a little bit so I can, like, learn the language better,

but I also don't want to be away from my family. It's a tug, Michael. Yeah, but man, to have the option of just saying, you know what? It's only when you want to retire, go, let's go live in Italy in the mountains. The whole EU is just, it'll open its arms. Wait, so just because you're a citizen of Italy means you're a citizen, you can become a citizen in any other country. Well, I, I, the EU now, they just, they treat it like the same thing. You can work, live there if you have one. Wow. I didn't know that. And my daughter got it too, so that's fun. It was, it's a pastime of mine. But not your wife. My wife did not. Oh, so wait a minute. Wait a minute. How does that work? Yeah. You're from St. Louis. I'm from St. Louis. Yeah, I was born in Milwaukee.

Right. I moved to St. Louis. Midwesterner. Yeah. I grew up in Indiana. I know you went to IU. I went to Iowa. I went to Iowa. I went to Western Kentucky University and bowling in Kentucky. I love university. But, yeah, IU is, I was there once and it's an enormous school. And it feels like, you know, you know, I was in easy to get lost and overwhelm like an incoming freshman um so say where you're a cardinals fan i was a cardinals fan here's the thing i put my all into sports it didn't respond man like i was good at baseball so i could deal with baseball um i've got a i've got a i've got a butt and somehow that he's got a good ass for sports well i got for sports where you can wear a belt i have a good ass, you know? I always notice hockey players, athletes, you know, professional athletes, they always had great asses. Well, they got those athletic haunches. Yeah. You know? And then it just kind of finishes right on the top there. Yeah, it's like you could put a beer at the top of it.

You could. Can you rest a beer at the top of your ass, David? In my earlier days, I'm sure you could. When I have this first communion photo of me, and it's like on the side and I'm holding the Eucharist. So I'm like, it's like a profile shot. Michael, my butt is so big. It looks like I'm leaning forward. It was just, it gave me the sense of leaning forward. Did you get made fun of when you were younger? Well, yes, but luckily, so I had a really big buns when I was growing up, but there was a guy who had even bigger buns, and his last name was Hutchinson.

So people just called Hutchinson. So they just called him Butchetson. And then like he got all that, he was like the rodeo clown. He got all the attention. Then I moved to another school, another dude, big bun. But Butchitson, two Hutchinson's kind of pulled focus from my big play. Yeah. Now, you excelled in business.

That's what you studied? I studied that at Indiana University. Yeah. I don't know if I excelled, but I did it. I mean, are you really good with math and numbers and accounting and stuff? No, well, I enjoy that with, like, taking care of money. I try to help people put their stuff in order, especially actors, you know? Right.

But no, there's a reason I left. There's a reason I left sports. There's a reason I left finance. Come on. If the acting thing didn't work out, wouldn't you've gone into finance? No. I mean, I left finance to do acting, you know? I never got a job in it, but I realized there are people who like that, and I could not.

Do you do your taxes? No, no. You have a business manager. No, I don't have that. I have an accountant, though. You have an accountant, and your accountant does all that stuff. Yeah. But you look it over.

I know what I'm doing. I strategize constantly. It's so boring. what about you though you're you're a midwesterner do you invent like like finance because i'm a midwest what are you saying i don't know what i'm saying man i'm trying to say uh do you are you i mean you you have this cool show you've got your ducks in a row clearly uh you kind of enjoy that it's a facade it's a facade i think that you know people like to see it's like a clean house a nice house and you're like oh this guy must have it together it's festooned in

the coolest stuff yeah i don't know maybe there's just part of me that hasn't grown up and doesn't want to and so i try to in certain rooms like the podcast room in the office i'll have in the basement the the screening room i'll have very cool i'll have like you know some lunch boxes sure superman and things like that it's nice to have all this stuff but do i really need all of it no um it's like one of those things where you never throw away shoes right and then all of a sudden you just yeah i'm gonna find and you finally get rid of them and you don't even remember them once they're on or clothing you're so you're so hooked on something like this is important to me but it's not what's important is obviously connection relationships uh family uh you know uh your animals your kids

so uh i don't have kids correct i have dogs fantastic we have dogs we have we have a brand new little puppy how old he's probably six months old he's a little pug how hard is that because you have a child i have a child who's six so she can like wake up and make herself food now So, like, right when she stopped, just she's like, she can soil herself where she's supposed to. That's the incorrect words. But then we got him and he poops everywhere. So what's the poopie song? Uh, what is the poopie song? Well, your wife, Elizabeth told me, or Bitsy, you call her. You call her Bitsy too? I call her Bitsy. I'll call her Bits, but people think I'm just like shouting the word bitch at her. Hey, Bits. Dude, I'm not kidding. Yeah, because it kind of, yeah.

Yeah, it happens. You're such a Bits. You're such a Bits. um the poopie song yeah Elizabeth told me like when she was a little younger you poopie party poopie party get that poopie out that's it yeah courtesy of my dad he's he's saying that to you he's saying that to my daughter and let me tell you worked she squeezed one out and it was enormous do you know what i sing what even now what do you need when i'm going to poop what p-o-o p-o-o-o-o-pppoo poop shoot's right out yeah p-o-o-o p-o-o-o p-o-o-ppppppppppppoo-p fantastic I still say it. Where did you get that?

I just started it. Fantastic. I got excited one day and I was like, I'm going to go poop. P-O-O-P. And then my girlfriend's going like, oh. Got to celebrate the small things. My God. You do.

I celebrate the small things. You have to. But not everyone celebrates with me. I understand that. Do you know, first thing is, I'm doing this. You can do whatever you want. But do you feel like since you had a kid, you're married, there's so many great things. but there are things that are harder than you ever thought of.

Oh, my God. Thought would be. Well, I think there's a front and a back to everything and every choice. There's no clean, you know, you can't like math out life. There's always going to be a cost and a reward. So, of course, yeah. I mean, what was the hardest thing? I mean, you just, I'm not going to say anything new here, but you, you re, it opens up another level in your brain, I think.

that was like a hidden little warp zone which is cool um but yeah man is it scary no i mean i was i probably was like 38 when we had her i was like yeah that's if i can't do this what what am i worth if i can't handle this but it's a lot of work that's a lot of work it's a lot of work do you recommend somebody who's 53 honest to god if you want to do it well i just do you recommend it so imagine yourself if you're on the fence years older yeah would you would you would you have a kid? If you want to have a kid, I have a kid, my God. But if you wanted to have a kid, when you had a kid by at least 38 like you did? No, I don't know. There's no, like, there's no thing. I mean, look at Al Pacino. He's having four kids with this girl.

You know, still doing it. Yeah. It's fun. But yeah, it's extremely time-consuming, but it's extremely, I would never go back and choose the other path. Do you think you'll have another one? I didn't want any right when, I didn't want any to begin with. But then Bitsy and I were like, before we got married, we had the discussion, which is wise. You might want to have that discussion before marriage. Was it very serious? Like, I need to know if you want to have children. I mean, she, you know how she is.

She's just like, if you want to do it great. If not, we got it, we're splitting. And you don't want to split? No, I mean, I was fine with it. And so we had a kid. If I was splitting? No, no, no, I was fine with having a kid. Right, right, right.

And then now, once we had one, I wanted like 100. And then once she had one, she wanted no more. That's it. Yeah. And she gets the veto. vote on that because of the uterus what if you said listen i want to have another kid or you know we got a split she'd be like all right see you send this podcast to her um no those days decisions have been made were you popular in high school um i think of i was fun yeah i think it was

you were yeah i was you played baseball you were funny no i didn't play in high i didn't play in high I was good in, like, grade school. I was funny. I went to all-boy school. I went to, like, this Jesuit Dead Poets Society kind of thing. You wore, like, a suit? Yeah, we wore a thing. It wasn't a suit, but we had to wear college shirts and slacks.

Yeah, they're dress codes. How many pairs of those jackets and slacks did you have? Didn't have jackets, but there were a lot of, I mean, Buegel Boy was definitely doing okay in those days. Bugle Boy, you remember Bugal Boy, man. Gone. Oh, yeah. A lot of khakis, a lot of things. A lot of tucked-in flannels.

So there were no girls there. And so just like funny, if you could be funny with the guys, it kind of won. Did you get disciplined? Yeah. Did you act up a lot? Yeah, but I wasn't a bad kid. Like, I just couldn't, I couldn't stop. Couldn't keep your mouth shut.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was discipline like at school like that? Demerites, like old school. Yeah. We had high school demerits. You had like a card? And if you get certain amount, you get suspended or expelled. I would fill it up the first week.

And I would try so hard not to. It was, it was, yeah, but, wait, so tell me about you. So you're, you were in Indiana, Indiana, Evansville, Indiana. I went to high school in Newburgh, Indiana. All right. And, uh, went to Castle High School. And, uh, yeah. And then I graduated.

I wouldn't have even gone to college, but I was destined, I think, to pump gas or work at a grocery store. Yeah. I'm serious. I was because I was already doing that. And I, I thought, you know, I don't see a college. I'm not really good with school. I have a tension deficit disorder.

I'm like all over the place. So you couldn't get into IU? It's not like a heart. This is not me dissing you. Honest to God, I don't know if I applied, but I applied. The reason I applied to Western Kentucky University is because my friend Tom lived down the street and he was popular. And he used to pay attention to me. And he was like, hey, what are you up to?

Go up to my house and I'd be shooting baskets alone. You know, go, hey, what's going on? And, you know, so we didn't hang out all the time. but he was really nice to me and so one day he said hey Rosenbaum are you going to college I go I don't think so he's like dude go to Western Kentucky University and we'll be roommates and I thought oh my god I'll be roommates with a popular kid all right what else am I doing so I went and applied and you had to have like a 2.0 to get in I had a 2-2 cleared it so I cleared it and I think he had a 2-2 as well so I went to college and you know life changed because

of a just an incidental conversation with a popular kid Yeah. And we became best friends. And he was with that guy who was like, oh, hey, Rosa, this guy's funny, man. Listen to this impression he does. And this. And it just built confidence. And people started like I was a nobody in high school. A nobody. Really? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Tall, handsome. No, short. I was one of the shortest kids in my high school. I didn't grow until after I graduated high school. It's good for you, though. Is it probably not good for the back? Not grown until after my high school. I grew like nine inches after my senior year. Like a Malamute. Yeah, I don't know what happened. But you were like, so I guess when did you, I mean, did you have a girlfriend? In high school?

Yeah. Yeah, I did okay. You did? Yeah, I did. Long term? I did. We were just, I was just dating a lot of girls. Really?

I would date girls from the all girls schools. Oh. St. Louis, Missouri has this big, oh boy. Yeah, it was like this thing. an undercover kind of thing. He didn't let it a lot of people know about it. It was over cover. It was over cover.

Really? Yeah, you wanted people. You wanted every guy to know that what you're doing. I was playing a status game. But did you, how old were you when you lost your virginity? Oh, my God. I'm going to say 15. Nice call, man.

Yeah? Yes. I was, I think 18. I was 15 and there was a long, like, Catholic guilt. Oh, okay. And then I pulled back and then I went back for it. Were your parents pretty cool? You went back for it.

They're, uh, about that? No. No, were your parents cool, like growing up? Were they very supportive of anything you did? Were they, did you have a good relationship with them? Yeah, they were really supportive. I mean, they were great. They're very, my mother's very, very Catholic.

Still? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, boots on the, like, one of the best people you're ever going to meet. You don't swear in front of her, do you? Things have loosened up. Things have loosened up with her. I mean, you might slip a shit, but not, you're not going to drop an F-bomb at mom. It'll happen now.

She'll be cool with it in, like, sort of saying it next. to her. Okay. Um, my parents split. She like chilled out way after that. Why'd they split? I mean, why did people split? For, for reasons people split. They, they were married for like 35 years. Oh, mine was 27 years and then they split. Yeah, yeah. That's a long time and then to split. Um, she chilled out. They're both very conservative. Um, but they were always supportive of me. Absolutely. But definitely wouldn't have talked about my 15 year old escapades with them. No. Yeah. Are you still close with your pops? Yeah, definitely. So you're close to both them can they be together in the same room um that is a stressful situation to be around yeah me too

it'll never happen again yeah maybe at my funeral i think it'll happen that was macabre that was dude i it stresses me out so much that like i so they were my little sister got married and like a little before i was getting married and it was stressful having them in the same room not that i should be feeling that maybe that whatever right so when bittsie and i got married i'm like i can't that that's so we just had a very tiny wedding with just star like and isn't and it's because of that isn't it um that helped kind of tilt that i told my dad that and he he understood you know that's funny because i think the same thing it's just going to be really awkward um it this is a true story yeah yeah i went to my estate manager okay this is a person who runs your estate

and like your will and all these things. By the way, evidence that you do indeed have your ducks in a row. Go on. Well, I just always have, not a death wish, but I always think, you know, I just never thought I'd live a long life. You live in a windy room. Yeah. Yeah. So I wrote it out and I added, he looked at me, he was like, okay.

So at your funeral, you do not want your mom to speak or Tom Arnold. I love them but I just don't want it to go off the rails and my mom just oh my god she's like she can't I was like they're not allowed to speak at my funeral they're not going to be the emotional center I just and I picked this my is my friend my friend Harlan who's a comedian he could say a few nice words make people smile and laugh and hold it together and maybe my friend Tom who would have been the street got it different Tom right no same oh different Tom different Tom cool I love Tom Arnold but I just don't want him speaking at my funeral Fair enough.

But I hope he doesn't get offensive, you know, will he take offense to that? He reads and goes, what? He put that in his, that's funny. That's very true. I just, yeah. Because you only have so many words in one of those estate plans. Yeah. But I understand how it is to be a little uncomfortable around your parents and if they're

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She hasn't. It's been like almost a year and a half. But, I mean, you understand why she wants to, right? I do, but she just doesn't understand. She doesn't understand what I know. What I, you know, so it's like, it's not that I don't love my parents, but it's just like, you know, you don't have to meet them. If you happen to bump into them, she will meet them and think they're incredibly lovely. No, she'll, she'll, she'll, but what she'll do?

She'll understand you so much better. That's why she wants to meet, meet them, you know. I mean, there's an unspoken, you just, you get it once you meet someone's parents, you know. Yeah. If you met both my parents, you get it because they're completely different, completely different. Dad doesn't say much. Quiet, Indiana. Quiet.

Doesn't, you know, all these traits. And my mom's just off the wall, embarrassing. But like, you know, just crazy, complete opposites. are they both still in indiana no my mom's in indiana my dad's in new york okay and he's he's well he got divorced he remarried again but now he's but he's still with the same woman they they're still hanging out anyway on to you man i'm loving this no no no i know so what you met elizabeth on grim yeah aren't they say no no no i met her beforehand i um i um i so i moved out here in like 2006 and then i tested for the show i didn't dude i did not know what i was

like yeah we don't nobody knows what they're doing in the game i had no idea um but i know my agents thought this was a big deal and she was the lead she had already been cast on this show called quarter life and i was going to go meet like to play her love interest or some other lead on the show and i met her and so i was like ooh she's a big deal and she's cute and then i didn't get that and then i tested for another show that she was on she was the star of it was some HBO show that went that didn't end up going you didn't get that you didn't get that either. No. But then I got cast as her fiancé in a movie. So Sag Aftera just like Fran Dresher was just like put us together and it was a man... Fran Dresher. Well, isn't she the president of Sag After?

Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't put it to you on. It was a Sag After mandated marriage and it's going very nicely. And then we were on Grimm together. And we started getting, we started dating season three. So stressful. because you wanted to keep a secret. Well, man, it was just... Did everybody know, though? Everybody knew. And it's like a pressure cook.

You know how those things are. But you did that show for seven seasons, right? We did six seasons. Six seasons, so how do you not get upset with each other? Most relationships don't last. There's fights. There's things. There's attitudes.

You don't not. You just do it and everybody watches, thereby making it very stressful. So you got into it a little bit on set. No, we wouldn't get into it on set. but like every like people are what people feel it people feel it and they're all watching because they don't want it to screw up the show right and so like like I'm friends with a lot of the crew members but like I don't want everybody getting a vote in my fucking relationship right you know what I mean

and um so it was stressful but it worked out I mean if it didn't I mean I've heard bad things If it didn't, it would have been fine, but it would have sucked. Yeah, because you can get into things like, you know, you begin making fun of each other and start doing things that are a little, like, you know, you're doing some mouth exercises or something. You know me.

Oh, my God, he's doing these mouth exercises. Like, all right. What are you guys talking about? Your line is this, and she thinks she could talk to you that way or you could talk to her a certain way, and she's like, don't talk to me in front of the crew like that. Every iteration could have happened. Yeah.

Every iteration. I'm just imagining. Have you witnessed, bad moments like that um there's been people where i didn't like their their what do you call it significant other all right but people on set acting together i really didn't experience that thankfully i think that would be although i did i did i did i did date a woman um she's passed she she passed away recently and it really bummed me out but um we did this movie that no one knows but like we worked in germany and she was adorable and we connected and we started seeing each

other and but i was young and i was also like in germany and i'm like you know i'm having fun and it's a movie by the way so there's like short life to it but it's really romantic yeah i just you know we she knew that I didn't want to be in a relationship or whatever and so you know there was some there was some shit in the beginning and then we kind of had a conversation said hey you know I think the world of you and you know you're awesome and you're beautiful and let's not let this get and you know affect our work yeah did you ever have that conversation well not with bitsy i mean no man i kept it really clean until until tullick came roaring into my life until tullick yeah bitsy Yeah. Yeah. Did you know, like they say, oh, you just know when you meet somebody. That's it.

No, I was very attracted to her when I first met her. And then I was just like, just kept her in another thing. I just didn't. I would go to work and go home. I was like that guy. And I know three seasons were if you didn't do anything. No, man. I was dating somebody else at the time. But you were thinking about her. No. No. No. I was thinking about. You're a loyal guy. Yeah. Like, why? Is it loyalty if you're just thinking about someone else? We're allowed, I'm allowed to think of other people, I'm sure. Yeah. She is. Yeah. We're not that controlling. No.

I mean, you know, you could. But I wasn't thinking about her. Right. Yeah. I was trying to, I was like working my ass off on the show and trying to make a relationship work. Could you tell there were sparks, though? Could you tell it?

Like right when I met her, I was very into her. Yeah. But then I kind of put it away. She was dating somebody else. And she was in with you. She got, she got a vibe from you as well. It was a nice vibe, but friendly. I never like, I'm not the guy.

You don't make moves. No, I'm not the guy who's like, I have friends who when they walk into a bar, women, they just fall over for them. I need time to just like burrow into that psyche, say a couple of things that they can't forget. Right. Oh, he's a decent guy too. Oh, he's very funny. Maybe he's smart. Who knows?

He's not. How long after you start seeing each other that you're thinking? I could see myself marrying this girl, or I could see about, because maybe you didn't. It was probably, it was probably like a year in where we kind of like really got steady with each other and then we just kind of went for it. Do you, is it normal to, in relationships to, I'm asking you like, you're my therapist. No, but I'm just wondering, is it normal? Do you think that, you know, you go in places where, you know, you're with somebody and then

you're kind of like, huh? in a way you're like thinking you know you think of thought like you know i do i want to do this do i want to and then that goes away and then you yeah yeah man you just kind of make life is just a series of choices and you make good choices and then don't like unless shit gets bad like i picked a very strong great woman yes very strong very beautiful very cool with with with with bone structure for for miles for years. But yeah, man, you don't want, I like, I've got friends who are just constantly second-guessing themselves burning so much energy, you know, just kind of-

You have to ask yourself the important things, don't you? You really have to go down to the important, like, hey, do you like being around them? Yeah. Do you, can you say anything to them? Yeah. Can you, you know, all these important things. Do the dogs? Yes.

Yeah. She's also doing what's fun. What? I really respect her as an actor. I really respect her as a mom. Like, once you start seeing that, too, that's a whole other level. Like, oh, Jesus. She's stepping up.

crushing it. And I respect, like, I don't always like her. I respect the fuck out of her. So it's okay not to like someone for a few days. Some of my best friends have been my roommate. She's the best people in the world. You know, you can't stand them sometimes just because they're there. I just had it out with one of my friends

and I never get upset and I was just like I never want to see this person again and then of course I know I will Of course This is human stuff It is but boy people can get under your skin Can't they?

Everybody finds a way under your skin Everyone finds a way Something happened on Instagram Just like popped up It was a therapist I don't know Saying being annoyed

Is the price you pay for human connection. You can't do, you can't have human connection and not be annoyed on some level. Yeah. So just the cost.

It really helped me out because I'm annoyed all the time. Yeah. I don't want to deal with things. But butterflies and all that stuff is kind of for the, you know, it's like, it's fair, fairy tale. Butterflies?

I mean, feeling butterflies for a little while, the beginning of things and maybe it comes back here and there. But for the most part, you know, those kind of go away those butterflies. Man, I got lucky. I got lucky.

You still have butterflies? It's not every single moment. I'll say that. But there are moments. Dude, it comes with a respect. When she does stuff that I couldn't do in life or that I have a lot of trouble with and she's just structured in a way that she can like plow through. Of course.

So it's respect. It's respect, yeah. That's what really. She's cute. She's got sweet little buns too. Yeah, I'm not going to comment on that. I get to see her buns. Sweet.

Yeah, man. It's like one of these fringe benefits. Brought to you by buns. You have buns. I got some buns. So you both have buns. Yeah. This is good.

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Please play responsibly. We are the musers on the pod so far. We've discussed people we love. I didn't tell you guys. Cuban email. What are you wearing? Well, no, that's not. Things we love.

Got way into typewriters. How many typewriters do you love? Let's not podcasting. estimate it's time to get really down and dirty these are great ideas doing a podcast and forget to promote it on social media so what is our podcast about whatever we feel like the musers the podcast follow and listen on your favorite platform did you ever get caught up in all the fame uh you know because you know that's sort of like uh full yourself kind of feeling and then look back and go, hey, I grew up a little bit and I, you know.

Homie. Yes. Yes. While you're on grim or while you're a million little things. Not on a million little things. A little bit on grim because I was, you know, I was 30 when I got that. I was working my ass off. Well, I felt like I was not a kid.

Working my ass off to get any steady thing. And when I got that, I just felt like, okay, I can finally. breathe at night you know dude you get it it's it's a scary business yeah and there's there's times when i look back and i think you know you're a little full yourself you're a little cocky you're a little bit of this and now i don't look at it as like i'm i feel shame about it i just feel like you grew up a little bit oh of course you became a better did you hear something about me michael let's bring it up let's what you got written no no i have zero Why?

Was there something? No, God, no. No, but, like, definitely went there. Man, I was on road rules when I was in college. Ooh, that's fun. And so I. You partied. Yeah, man.

I felt like a high because I was starting to get, you know, when you get, like, recognized that first time. It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's a whole other thing psychologically. And when that happens to you when you're 21 and you just think, yeah. Oh, yeah. I went through a huge ego thing. But I've always had an ego.

Had a huge ego. Did anyone call you out on it that kind of changed your perception or your attitude at all? They didn't ever say, hey, you know. One of my best buddies when I was in, so I shot Grim in Portland. And I was never an asshole at all. Like by that time, I kind of knew it. But we were, we shot four Portland, Oregon. So everybody in Portland,

watched Grimm. So we were really, really well known there. In the community, yeah. Really well known. And we would go to restaurants and there would be big lines because Portland doesn't often do reservations. I don't know. Did I just make that up? But we would just get like rushed to the front of the line. And I went with this buddy of mine to a restaurant and he's from the sticks in North Carolina and just like salt to the earth. And we got rushed to the front of the line. He's like, well, that works out really well for you. I'm like, I guess so, man. Yeah. kind of called out the whole yes but that's i would still do it but right but i mean he wasn't really calling you out well you know but that's not like saying hey dude you didn't have to be an

asshole you didn't have to no no nothing like you had a good you have a good heart you have a good disposition you never were you were raised well yeah on grim i would get i would get man i was exhausted i got a little agro a couple times do nothing like anybody sure who doesn't say guys can we fucking shoot? There's a baby on set. Can we stop the smoke? Who's farting? We all know who was farting. It was Tim, the camera guy. Yeah. Timmy Spencer. Our camera guy too. It's definitely one of my favorites. Or me. It could have been me. Yeah. Did you ever get caught up with drinking and all that stuff? Drugs or nothing? Never, never had problems. I've never had a problem. The worst thing that's ever happened to me is I got married. I'm not kidding. It's a joke.

You're putting it, you're putting your shit right on to me. No, no, I'm not. But, no, here's what I did do. I used to, so ADHD, I was failing out of this goodwill hunting, not goodwill hunting, uh, dead poet society school. And I was trying. I would like study really hard and I would fail.

And then I was about to get tossed. And then this priest is like, hey, he seems like he's trying. Maybe your parents can read this book about ADHD, this new thing, you know, it was like mid-90s. And they put me on Ritalin and I started getting like three-eighths, four-point-os. Then, because Ritalin is just cocaine, diet Coke. Yeah, beware. I started like snorting it just for like, that's quicker.

And I was dating a girl in college and she, like, I just snorted with no shame in front of her. She's like, what are you doing? I was like, nothing. That's fine. She's like, that's not fun. You can't just be doing that all day. So I had to get off that. But that wasn't hard.

I missed it. And my therapist is like, because sobriety's boring. But I got off that. But no, I don't drink. Yeah. What do you do now for focus? Man, I just had to, I have to get out of the house immediately. If I don't leave the house within an hour, my day is done.

It's done. Because I get sucked into just like the quotidian. This has to be done. This chore, this chore. Or do you just get tired of just being in the house? We just take a nap? It's just not the place I can be getting work done. It messes you up.

It messes with your head. I must get out. I have to steal the day back from the day before like, if my day is not done by 10, it's over. I tell that to people. I, you know, it's funny. It's like all of a sudden you take a vacation. You're like, isn't this great? And then you realize it's because we're out doing things.

Yeah, man. And I always say it. If you're sedentary and you're just not doing anything, it's not just your body that's affected. It's your mind. Of course, man. And that's the big problem, I think, with so many people, it's like, just get up, go outside, get some sun. Oh, that's it.

Moving and socializing are big things. Yeah. What time you get to bed every night? Man, whenever I can. Now try to get in bed like 11. You're up at 7? Yeah. Someone in that zone.

Are you doing another show now? I'm on a show called High Potential. I'm recurring on it, but it's really fun. You like it? Dude, it's so fun. What do you shoot? Fox. How novel is that?

He nailed it. Dude, no one's on that lot anymore. It's so weird. You can get the best parking spots. One show is filming there. Do you miss? A million little things or grim or... What do you miss?

If you do miss it, what do you miss about it? Well, I do like... I mean, having kids takes care of the... What I have to do all day. Like, there is a purpose immediately. You know what you're doing. You just know. um so that takes care of that for me um i you know i love the family of a long long running show

i absolutely love that i love people i'm probably really into talking to people and slightly enthusiastic like a some type of labrador and it it's i like i like that and i miss that um but i'm so tight with all of these people still do you miss doing the show um i don't miss doing grim Not because it wasn't great. It was just so much work for me. A million little things. Oh, my God. It was like six hours a day.

Come home, see my kid. Bitsy and I were both shooting in Vancouver, different shows. Yeah. Oh, it's the best thing in the world. But grim was 12, 14 hour days every day. And you had to learn ton of lines. Yeah, it was just too. It was, I worked more in three days than I had worked my entire acting career.

And then it never stopped. And I couldn't sleep. And you start. filming when the sun goes down and you I would have blue blockers in my car so that when I was driving home in the morning from my night of shooting, my eyes wouldn't take in the blue light so I could maybe sleep. So it was pretty, man, I aged like an avocado on that thing. Jesus, quickly. That's quick. That's like an hour. Yeah, that's got to be tough. I mean, would you ever take on another show like Grimm as the lead? No, no matter what, even if Spielberg was

producing i mean we'll talk we'll talk but if somebody said how many episodes did you do a season yeah we did 22 a season yeah that's what we did yeah that's impossible how many did you guys do 22 a season we did i did 160 before i left so you probably did more than that no i didn't i did a hundred 23 they had 123 oh yeah because the next season would have put you over 150 yeah wait did i do that many i think the math changed man like there's no maybe it was 150 something that's How many did you do? 123. 1203.

You did? Does bits you ever run lines with you or you run lines with you? Oh, we do. Again, I respect you as an actor. So she'll tell you things. But, dude, I get so moody when I am, like, when I'm the one auditioning. Because she'll have so many notes, you know, I'm like, no, just doing it for lines. Okay, you know what?

You know what? I can't. Like, I know you're not trying to be, I just, dude, it is like the most embarrassing version of me. When I am about to have an audition and she's working with me, dude, it is not the person I want anybody to see. I love that. Do you get that way? I don't get that way with anybody but her.

No one gives me direction. Yeah. Your choices are you? How many times have you been told you look like Bradley Cooper, a young Bradley Cooper? All of the time, man. Since you're young? No, since he made his meteoric rise. But that's a good thing.

It's not a bad thing. I mean, you could play his brother in something. I won't, but yeah. You wouldn't? Well, I would, but it's not going to happen. How do you know? Well, maybe it will. Bradley, if you want a slightly shorter, slightly younger, you.

I'm here. Do you ever deal with anxiety or depression or anything like that? Oh, yeah, man, I've gone dark. There have been times of my life where it was like, well, I've contemplated all of it. How do you get out of it? Life just keeps roaring, man. benefit of age is just the rearview mirror. Rip it off. And it just keeps going, man. It just, you get through everything's seasonal.

But I mean, there's got to be times where you had to go see a therapist or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's out there. Does that help you? Yeah, I think you can over therapy. You could certainly over therapy. Yeah. But, you know, you know, some people, like my dad would never see a therapist. Oh, yeah, yeah. I could. And he absolutely should. People should see therapists when they need to. Yeah, it's great. It's good seeing therapy. I, I, I remember my first therapy session. How much time are we? No, it's great.

Fantastic. I'll tell this story then. Tell it. So I think they were getting, my parents were like in a bad situation and my mom was like, well, maybe she saw that it was affecting me. And they had me go to a therapist. So this is my first time going to a therapist, the most Catholic person. Like we couldn't say the word fart growing up, right?

So I go to this therapist. There's this dude's office. sitting across from me like you are right now and he had a dog behind him and he's kind of a hippie so he didn't neuter his dog I guess right but um this doggy had just had surgery on its stomach and so they had shaved his stomach there was like bloat or whatever and so the therapist had the dog in the room because he had to shave stomach but the dog's behind him so I could see the dog and the dog started like humping his own new shaved chest and I'm like 15 and he keeps going to completion. The dog fully achieves climax. And you didn't say a word? No, I did. And, but

it took me out of it. Yeah, how could you take the, yeah, I'm just like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And there were towels and there were like, towelettes, like, wipe. He's like wiping. Oh, no. Yeah. So that was my first therapy moment. So it's not a great moment. It's kind of a great moment. I had to restart. I had to restart. I had a therapist once. I'm sitting. there and he's like oh you know i i had to grab some lunch and i'm really hungry you mind if i eat and i go no it's fine and this guy watching him eat a subway sandwich oh no was the most i mean mayonnaise on his face he's like no eating this big sandwich and trying to tell me what to do with my life and i was just like this is our last session it makes me want to i didn't say that i just never went back i would want

to punch through a while i just was like you don't you know what why don't we take 10 minutes i'll just sit out there you go eat i didn't say that but like i should have of i should have no why don't you eat i'll be outside because i can't watch you eat because it's going to make me throw up well was it the way he was eating or is it the way he was eating yeah man there's certain people and the way it's just like you know it's different like you just can't give someone therapy when you're doing something else you have to just undivided attention not eating a gross sandwich like that's falling apart and you know yeah no i'm with you on that i'm with you on that man i wouldn't be able to do it yeah it was rough but they you know usually mouth sound

is not the best sound you don't you know what the worst sound is is when somebody has like when they're talking oh me that's where i caught mouth they're whenever i've had guess where i say grab a jigger water yeah what are you nervous man are you nervous you can't sometimes you just have yeah hey you know why don't we take a moment now yeah that's that's uh purified water right there Michael, you want to hear a word that I hate that's kind of new to the world? Go ahead. Mouthfeel. Never heard of it.

It's big in wine communities and espresso communities. How's your mouth feel? It's the referent. Is that not what you say? It's a net, like, mouth feel is one word. And I guess it's a noun, but it's a terrible word. That's a terrible word. to like oh i like the

sounds like an intimates cheesecake factor that whole thing i don't do that maybe you do that the thing with the with the i don't really drink but i am an insufferable espresso snob yeah yeah i mean why is it espresso is it just because it gives you the jolt you need it makes me feel i hold it alive i look so much bigger do you know what it is man when i had the kid when we had our daughter and then covid happened like i can't leave so i started learning Italian and I started like getting into things like that drinking espresso yeah learning Italian yeah like these little at home uh excitements you should teach your daughter some Italian I think that's cute like a little girl going she can learn much more quickly than I and it

it just bothers me because their brain oh yeah if that's why I learn a language when you're young yeah pre 16 that's what they say I wish I would have done that I mean I could still remember some Spanish but not a lot yeah man bienbeninos a los los osos seninos meamos uh Is Miguel, and you? Davide. Yes, see, si. Yeah, I have a grandecabeza. Yes.

Yeah, car amente. Si, uh, what time is it? Yeah, that's all I know. That's it, you got it. I have a large head. Yeah, I said that. Yeah, you have a grandercea. It's not small.

No, I have a big head. Yeah, well, I've got a big old head. Yeah, I think that's good for actors, right? Probably. Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it. I can't. help you with that.

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Yes, 100% of it, especially on set. And I was like the lead of grim. And so people thought it was just... Did you ever tell people? Why don't you just announce it? Guys, I just want you to know, I'm deaf in my left ear. I mean, there's only so much I can juggle in a day. And like someone coming in to direct once, I'm not going to remember to say that.

You had six years to make an announcement. No, they all knew. People on the crew... Everyone knew I was attention deficit disorder. Everyone knew I had a flatulence issue. But I was such a nice guy. I actually think it was good to have some inadvertent power players going on. Yeah, we're like, I hope he's not mad at me or something.

Yeah, like, ooh. That was your power move. Yeah. So being deaf, like there's certain times you want to be deaf, you know? Do you know sign language? No, man. If I were fully deaf. Like, unless you're fully deaf, you're not deaf.

But, God forbid, I would think, wow, man. I can't see in this eye. I better learn this house pretty good in case I go blind in the other eye. Totally, man, totally. That was just the way where my mind went. Completely. No, man, I've been deaf since I was like two. Really?

Did they say there was a cause for it? No one knows. No one knows. Things in the 80s would just happen. Life would go on. But it doesn't, I don't see how it could really affect you. It doesn't really. There were times when women would whisper, warm.

nothing's literally nothings to me i'm like that would have been nice to hear i really love you yeah and all i can feel is humidity humidity yeah i love that um could you ever see a reboot of grim um there's there's there's some scuttlebutt about it i know they were writing a script i don't know 100% what happened with that i'm a cynic michael but if they wrote this great script and they It's just a six-episode arc. I would do that. You would? Yeah.

I would direct it. I would want to direct really badly. And I would want there to be another grim who does all like the fighting because, man, no, not me. Now. But you direct? Yeah, I direct. I directs. Do you like it?

I love directing. Would you, if you had a choice, directing or acting, what would be? Directing. Really? Why is that? Your whole brain lights up. It's the most communal thing in the world. You know, acting is like...

I love directing. Yeah, I love it. It's the best. You've done. It is because as an actor, I think you're really good with other actors. You know how to get the performance out because you're talking to them as an actor. You're not just saying, hey, I need you to just be bigger. No, the best thing.

I didn't even understand that a lot of directors are kind of nervous to talk to the actors. But, you know, like if you're an actor, you get it. You can give a note in like one word that can change everything. Yeah. Yeah, man, it's so collaborative. there's such it's a pressure cooker I love that I love the time management of it

I love that you have to rely on so many people and they make you look so much better yeah it's a pretty intoxicating you directed grim I directed grim how many episodes only one I only directed one of Smallville too there you go and I loved it were you trying to get in earlier I was trying to know

no I could have directed earlier but I was like eh and then I was like man I'm paying attention I always want to know about lenses, crossing the line, this. I go, I could do this. And I loved it, which prompted me to, you know, direct a short, direct a feature. Great. And I just, I really, I want to do it again and just has to be the right thing. But are you directing anything coming up? I'm nothing coming up, but I'm like actively, like that is where most of my thrust is headed. I joined the DGC because we have permanent residency in Canada now. Right. And I'm getting some, like, I think that's where I'll start

getting my traction yeah um canadian series or u.s series shooting in canada the only bad thing about doing that is you have to read shows yeah when they get when they say hey we want we're considering you for this you have to read a lot of bad tv yeah i can imagine that would you direct bad tv just to keep doing it yeah there's something to be yeah 100% to like sharpen the the skills yeah that's true Like, bad TV, whatever, man. You can find moments. Exactly. Like, when I watch stuff now, I know why exactly it's bad.

It can, it's often the writing. Sometimes it's the directing. Or the acting. Yeah, but if it's bad acting, I think it's bad directing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, if you can't pull, if the story's good, it should be pretty easy to shoot. Yeah.

And I think the actors sometimes get blamed for kind of poopy directing. Yeah, it's not their fault. Yeah. Often. You were, were you really up for the role of Superman and Man of Steel? I was. How close? Few auditions in.

How many auditions? I want to say three. Did you ever read with someone? I read with big producers. But again, I was new. I was so new that I didn't even know that that was an important thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Which was kind of my superpower was, I just didn't know. um but then again i didn't get it i mean i'm 510 man after after a long night is four aren't they exactly dude exactly were you ever in the same room as anybody else that who's henry cavil uh i was not in the same room as henry cavil no but he's not he's like six one i'd give him okay the new guy is how are you i'm 510 yeah 510's a good height though it's a good height it's a really good height maybe the like 1930s guys who played Superman was my height? Who's your favorite Superman of all time?

I'm not a big Superman. I don't know anything about that world. Yeah. I know you're forced to say Tyler because, you know, he's worked with Betsy. That might be the only Superman I've ever seen. And I loved Tyler. And I swear, he's so good. Yeah, yeah, he is.

I saw like 10 minutes of the new one at a premiere and then we had to leave because our dog was acting up. Jeez. Yeah, he was a puppy. and then um by the way i love david corn sweat dude he's i thought he was phenomenal he seemed great and he's also great guy too that i hear he's like one of the best dude such a sweet guy a very good friend of mine trained him guy named paolo palo he's this italian trainer he's like it in l a and he trained like the entire cast so i've only heard good things about the entire cast man yeah nicholas is great how was christin bell Veronica maras oh dude that might have been my first

gig ever. Really? She was sweet as a sweetheart. She's so kind. She was so sweet. I remember I had like two lines and they wrapped me. Like didn't need to.

That's a wrap. She did a thing. She made everybody clap for me. Like ooh. That's sweet. Has she been in this chair? She has. Very nice.

Well, she was downstairs when I did the podcast over there. Have you ever disliked working with someone? Yes. What do you do? Talk shit about them behind their back. Do you? Well, if I need to vent. Eventually, I'll do that.

Right. So I can just with, like, does this person just... What about assholes? You work with assholes? They never know they're assholes. Just the way they treat other people, you see it, and you're like, I've seen some weird behavior. I've seen some weird behavior.

I cannot say who it is. Right. But I've booked jobs where when it was announced on deadline, my phone started buzzing. Twice that's happened to be like, hey, hey, congratulations. so this is what's going to happen and it's probably people you know about i'm sure yeah yeah it's a shame i've seen power plays i've seen weird uh behavior not not fun to be a part of something that you just uh where you can't you have to go to work every day and you know you don't like someone i haven't had a lot of experiences with that but it certainly is it hinders your experience

yeah man i mean i'm pretty good at just going to work and letting them be their thing I'm pretty good at liking people through their personalities kind of naturally. So it doesn't happen much. If I start saying mean behavior, that's when I'm like... Yeah, step in. Ooh, I can't trust that person.

Yeah. I was I going to ask you? I had a question for you. Why am I wearing linen pants? It's hot out there, man. It's hot out there. And they make your ass look great. What are you watching on TV nowadays?

Oh, man. Or a movie you saw that you really like. No, I'm going to tell you what I'm watching right now. The pit? I went up for that. I loved it. I haven't seen it, though I hear it's good. Bitsy and I are watching a Korean reality show.

What's called? The Devil's Plan or the Devil's Game. It's in Korean. Michael, have you ever judged? Wait a minute. Were they're in this giant room and they're all in different rooms? That is part of it. Dude, I was on a reality show.

Can I talk about, And they'll make all this money and the elevator comes up with the... I haven't seen an elevator. Okay, okay, okay, okay. This is what I'm going to say about the good people of Korea. They know how to make some... They must be the most decent people on the plane. I was on a reality show.

They are trying to get these people to fight each other. They're just thoughtful, absolutely wicked, smart, intelligent, beautiful. I was on a reality show. It was a little bit of a race to the bottom, you know. We were all, you know... Shitstorm. Yeah, bad behavior was welcomed.

Yeah, yeah. Everybody was trying to out slut the next one or whatever it is. But this is a good show, man. All right, I'm going to text you again so I don't forget it. Dude, I can't. They are the smartest.

I'm in. They get these contestants. They're like the smartest people in what they do, and they're playing really difficult games. It's phenomenal. I'm in, dude. I love squid games, so I'm in.

Never seen squid game. Oh, dude. dude korea's having it's a real moment am i wrong is great oh yeah dude yeah that's what here uh all right watch that one without me should i bitsy did it without me did squid game dude how do you do that it was you're working she she watches more than i do and i can't keep up uh this is called shit talking with david gintoli nicely done man right i wanted to say gintoli gintoli yeah you got chintoli chintoli uh these are my top tier patrons this is rapid fire go for it so patreon dot com slash insidey if you want to join the podcast and support the podcast uh appreciate all your help you can drink coffee

if you want but um so these are rapid fire these are the patrons and they're going to ask you questions here it is teapaw what says what's the best prank you've played on a cast member uh brey turner was uh this is on grim i was just just looking for fun we were at the end of a night we're out of Outside, it's raining. We had no time to shoot. We were about to lose daylight, whatever. I, uh, she had to open a car door and I just put a ton of like lotion under the car door. And she had to feel that in the take. There was no time for a second take. So she just had exist through that take with her hand covered. Did she laugh later? That was like a terrible thing of me to do. And she wasn't angry, but she's a great person. I thought it was like, I was just,

you know, I was out of my mind. I thought it'd be funny. I thought it'd be funny. And that was like her one take uh Lisa Williams little Lisa what is the dumbest way you've been hurt so like physically did you ever hurt yourself thinking another stare was going to be there that happens probably once every two years yeah bro yeah it's night how out of shape do you have to be to hurt yourself think that when there wasn't another stare it's jarring my man I have misjudged things in the middle of night and hit the washing machine head on Yeah, man. Because I have a standing one.

Homey. Yeah. Just stupid stuff. Michael Kang doesn't blink. How did you get the lead roll of grim? You have to rapid fire here. Work my little buns off. Yeah.

Just five, audition for it. Audition for it. Man, maybe four or five. Yeah. Anybody who didn't get it who I know? Yeah, a lot of great actors. Okay.

Great. Mary Lou L. Did you regret something in your life and can you share it oh my god i'm just filled with regret i just keel over in a shower sometimes like did oh god what did i say trying to be funny ending up being inappropriate or something we all always trying to be funny it's always because you're trying to be funny and then you're like oh shit you're trying to fit in you're trying to feel better yeah and you push a little too hard i don't think i do that anymore Melissa r mendelsohn what was the most complicated part of playing

your character in a million little things oh um there There was some, it was a heavy lift and I took it very seriously because there was a lot of drug addiction. My character went through. He became paralyzed from the waist down. So I took that work very seriously. It was a very fun role to play. But yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to muck that one up. Adara Carter or in New York, Adara. Adara Carter. What's your favorite episode of Superman and Lois? I'm a pilot guy. I love the pilot. I say that about Small It set it up so. You know it's going to work right away.

Leanne, what is the hardest piece of advice you ever received? Try to be respected, not liked. That's good. Linda Maudsley, besides Bitsy, what's the best decision you've ever made in your life? Nicely done. Best decision. Having a kid, absolutely. Changes you, huh?

Oh, it's the best. So many ways. Well, she's a good one, too. Yeah, they say the second one's never good. The second is never good. Beth, my sister, Beth, you're hearing that here. We love you, Beth, I'm teasing. Did, I mean, you know Bitsy's work ethic.

Yeah. So, in Superman and Lois. Yes, sir. Was she just constantly working constantly? Dude, they put her through. You know, when they see what you can do as an actor, they kind of, they write to that. she can go there and they put her through the emotional ringer dude really oh and she would have to come home with it she would read the next script I'm like it's going to be an interesting week

like she's going to be having a tough week is she able to turn it are you both able to turn it off when you get home she I can turn it off once it's done she can turn it off once it's done but I think you carry it with you when you know it's about to come up yeah especially if you have a big scene or a big it's hard it's hard to like course man and it stresses you out that you have to you have responsibilities and you that that's what scares me i think about having kids it's like yeah i got all this stuff and i got to just focus and not be irritable and not be dude stressed unless i got i got to turn it off and just be present 100% that takes time to learn that it takes real discipline you have to learn how to feel a ton of emotions without letting them surface oh that's the biggest acting exercise

ever dude it's hard i've gotten way better at it it's just like i know when not to talk you throw in one one bad night of sleep and like shit you really hit the fan fucks you up yeah man knowing you have to like them like sob anyway man can you cry pretty easily when you're acting i can cry on cue when punched on cue can you can you can you bring a tear to your eye if they said action i had to do that last night i was shooting a movie last night what do you where do you go um viv right away my daughter just the worst possible things letting her down she's hurt she's injured because that gets you going yeah

it's yeah she should be attacks right off i use her so much in my work i i usually put on a pair of headphones listen to this one song by fleetwood mac and think of my grandmother there you go man like that will that will get me to place. It sees a music person too for it. She will throw on the headphones too. Can you tell what's your secret song? It's um you don't have to say it. It's I'll tell it to you. I just it's what's the name of the song? I know the song. Just sing it for us. There's a microphone. It's called over my head. Oh, is that James Rode? I know you worked with him.

he's million little things probably he's right over your shoulder yeah he's the one who put me in i think uh uh high potential really yeah i mean he's best buds with the showrunner that they're both great guys he was directing him and dulae came in with him oh i love him too was a duo it was a dulae what about your grandma is she she gone yeah she's gone she uh she was your lady yeah there was just something real about her really raw and real it's just like when you had conversation with her i mean she had this cigarette with the ash hanging off about to fall was she a safe person for you yeah she just was like she told you how it is she didn't take any shit from anybody yeah man but she was also really sad like there was a sadness to her that but she didn't

want anybody to know about it she didn't want anybody to think she was weak but like i got to see it was funny like a couple weeks before she died i just i went down and visited her and i brought my camera and I just interviewed her not knowing she's going to die she wasn't going to die and I just started interviewing about her life and there's just this moment where she goes I go what's the happiest moment you know Michael there was there were a lot of happy moments in my life I had I had a lot of fun and then you could see her kind of trying to think of those moments yeah yeah and just there was something innately genuine and sweet at the core when you could just she she sort of had this facade of being

tough and all that but like it was uh why does she let me she let me through like she goes you're the only one that when you call me you actually want to see how i'm doing it's you actually want to really know how i'm doing and i said uh of course i mean i you know i would call her at college and it's like three in the morning my friend lally would go dude don't call her you're going to no no no we're going to call my grandma she's up i'm sure she's up she she answered the phone she goes mike i go how'd you know she goes you're the only one that calls me this late and i said what are you doing she goes i'm having a cheese sandwich you can hear her slippers on the on the linoleum floor whatever like so wait why does it bring

you to tears though is it because she happiness great that's wonderful happiness it's like it just like it brings me to a place where it opens you up or whatever it opens me up yeah i can relax yeah so it's pretty cool this is been an awesome time with you. Homie, thank you so much. This has been a joy. You're fun, you're funny. You told me about your life.

I did my best. See your passion with your family and your career and I wish you nothing but the best, man. I totally want to hang out. We've got to hang out. I know you have no time, but we will find a time. Of course we're going to find a time. All right. We'll do it.

Thank you so much, Mike. Thanks, buddy. Handsome guy. Oh, yeah. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play. on your next adventure this fall get double points on every qualified stay life's the trip make the most of it at best western visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions date thanks for being on the podcast thanks for introducing me to uh the devil's plan on netflix i can't get enough of that show

have you watched it no but you keep talking about it love it it's just awesome you got to give it a chance you got to give it like three episodes yeah but it's really fun so david thank you it was really awesome And that's really it, you know, that's, that's it for today. I mean, I'm, I'm going to give these names, these shoutouts to these special people who are the top tiers on Patreon. And without them, I couldn't do the show. And that's a truism, Ryan, that's a truism, you know, if, if I didn't have patrons, thank God somebody told me about Patreon. I was like, I didn't know what it was. I was like, nah, I'm not doing that.

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