Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Dax Shepard Returns

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

Dax Shepard (Armchair Expert, CHiPS) returns to the show this week and we unpack a lot… like a lot a lot. Amazing episode this week. We get into everything from discussions between ego and necessity, to irrational fears of financial insecurity fueling motivation, even to the idea of truly loving oneself. A very open and honest free flowing conversation with an old friend. Know you folks will dig it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I sound like it's the end. It's been a lot of fun. And this is it. No, I'm going to keep doing this as long as you guys are listening. And if you came here to listen to Dax today, I hope you'll at least subscribe. And if you like the show and you like me interviewing people, then hopefully you'll tune in and subscribe. And, you know, I'd appreciate you giving the show another chance.

What's our handles? At Inside of You Podcast on Instagram and Facebook and at Inside You Pod on Twitter. And then you can also leave messages, which takes a while. But hello at inside of you podcast.com. And you can leave messages. So it's been a crazy week. I've been watching that show. of The Val, and we're going to be having a guest coming up soon.

It's incredible. So tune in, because then you'll know a little something. And I, you know, my interviews, you'd never really have to know the person anyway. I kind of put things in layman's terms and get to know them. But it's, that show is just, you know. Have you been watching it? I started to because we're going to talk to that person soon. Yes.

But, yeah, I've only got five minutes in and it's already, I'm already scared. Yeah. You can kind of tell, like, I mean, from our perspective, from Mounts, side. You can already tell from the beginning like this, it's not good. Well, it's funny you say that because, you know, when I first started watching it, I go, I could do this. I could have joined this. The first episode, I'm like, I could use some more self-esteem. I could use some confidence. I could try to get out of my head. It seemed like it was a healthy thing. And then everything just turns to hell. Yeah. I mean, it goes to hell really quickly. And anyway, we'll get into that another time.

I want to thank everybody for joining us. And a shout out. We had to stage it. And Rob and I played music. We actually recorded Capitol Records this last week. 11 songs. I want to thank the boys, Billy and Billy Duran and Moran. I said Duran, Billy Duran, Billy Moran and Rob Humphreys and Joel and Zach. We had a great time of Capitol Records recording our new album, recording me and dancing's new album. But we had to stage it on Saturday and we played live music and everybody came and showed up and I want to give a shout out to the winners from the stage it before that we didn't give a shout out to and that's team rogue flask and lea and christin Leah and Kristen who are the top bidders and team rogue flask thank you guys so much for

being on there and supporting the music deck shepherds on today and i will say this um you know I text him and I said, hey, listen, we did this interview and then all this stuff happened with the relapse thing, with the pills. And do you want to say anything? He's like, ah, you know, I pretty much said everything, you know, in a lot of ways. And I get that. It's not like, but I just want to say as someone who's known

Dax for, I mean, before I mean, just, you know, it was before he really was doing anything, he was on punked. And you know, he had, he was, I knew him when he was drinking heavily and doing a lot of drugs. And we both did some stuff and uh but you know he couldn't stop and so fast forward he's got this nice family

uh he's good dad he's good husband um we're not perfect we're not eff imperfect i'm the example of that the spitting image of uh imperfection but uh you know he had a little relapse which i was surprised i had to hear about it in the news i you know i think because he started talking about on his show and um you know it was one of those things where he had an injury and then he thought it was okay a friend gave him some pills and it was this and then it's sort of perpetuated it's sort of uh you know that his dad was dying and they had a lot of friction although a lot of love for each other but they had nothing in common and the only thing that they did have in common was addiction and so they both popped a percassette one night and just stared at the lake and um you know you do things

because you feel an emptiness or you want to feel a connection or you want to feel something or maybe you don't want to feel something is the way that way of looking at it and i know about that but you know he uh confronted his wife christin bell about it and christin of course is you know cool as shit she's like you know what you were fucked up from the accident you were you know then your dad and your dad was dying and you know so but like let's call someone let's get this going and um i think what we do And, you know, I mean, we're all addicts to some extent, right? I believe that.

I think we're all addicted to something. You know, I feel like, you know, I was just, today's my first day without cigarettes. I'm quitting as of today. So, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get rid of that. But we make excuses. What I'm just going to do too. It's okay. It's because I had the surgery.

It's going to be two. Or it's going to, I'm just taking one today. What's the big deal? It's not, you start making these excuses for yourself. And I just think it's really brave. for for decks to uh just come out with it and saying i'm done because if it was so little and you're kind of doing it throughout maybe you just felt like he kept lying to you know he was just not being honest about it and he used the word shady he used the word shady he used the word shady he was like i was

being fucking shady so you know i got to say that uh it's very hard to say you know this is this is what i was doing this is how i feel about myself and being honest with it so kudos to you brother for uh stepping up and uh i love you and i i'm proud of you um and dax and i have had a pretty crazy relationship i mean you know we it's definitely one of those things where it's love and it's just you know there's definitely a we really enjoy each other and there's also been those moments where we're like well fuck you man we'll suck a dick man well fuck you i don't need this shit you know like whoa like you know we've had a couple moments but we're honest with each other we kind of just say what we have to say and if one of us don't let we work it out and um i just want to say uh i'm

i'm happy uh that he's uh he confronted his his shit and i need to confront my shit a little more i i you know i think we all do and uh so thanks for uh doing that ship boy uh we're about to get in this uh let you know that there's some cool inside of you wine glasses on the inside of you store, new wine glasses and new mugs and a bunch of shit on there. So go to the inside of you online store. And patrons, thank you so much for continual, continual support or continuing to support the show. Just keep digging. Jeez, man. It's been a rough morning, but everything else is, everything is good. All right. Let's get into Dak Shepard. It's my point of view. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum.

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I've never, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I've never heard someone sound so good or so clear. Your setup is really good, Dax. Oh, you're just saying in general on the podcast? Well, yes, I've listened and your voice is, it's crisp. it's refreshing it's like a nest tea you remember the uh drink the nest tea what's the immediate feeling you're having right now because i'm having an immediate feeling uh a little um excited

a little anxious but excited well like i'm immediately going like oh my god i miss rosenbaum so much every time i see him i love talking to him uh why has it been this long uh which is the nature of life i don't think anyone's at fault but i'm just i'm immediately delighted to be seeing you. I know I'm going to have fun. I can't find my nicotine, which is going to be a big, big ordeal. It's funny. That was one of my questions, by the way, today. Still on the nicotine, still doing the Nicorette, still doing it? Oh, but I mean, it's way worse than that. I've been dipping for now like six months, I guess. Just, no, not that long, because I quit on New Year's for a month or two. I don't know. Yeah, I'm on it, you know. I mean,

I could lie. I could lie and tell you I'm not, but I am. Does that mean because you quit smoking, you quit drinking, all that, what, 04? It's been a long time. Yeah, I quit drinking in 04. I quit smoking in 05. So I'm on 15 years and no smoky. But I've been on nicotine mints for 13 of those 15 years.

I was off for a couple years entirely. And then I found literally I found four mints in a fucking nightstand. and I told Kristen, I'm going to have, I'm going to have these. It's been two years. I'm just going to have one tonight. I'm going to have one tomorrow night. And then, of course, three days later, I was at a CVS buying like a 128 pack of the lozenges. My God.

Do you still dream of darts? You know, I have zero interest in smoking, thank God. And something clicked on the last time. I had quit a bunch of times. But I knew it like something changed when, like, like I'd see someone really cool, an actor I like, smoking in a movie. And it didn't even appeal to me then. I was like, once it hit me like, how absurd you're going to fill these fleshy little

membranes full of smoke? It's crazy. Like you should hope to only put the purest air in those things and just to fill them to the brim with smoke. All of a sudden it finally occurred to me how crazy that is. But how does it finally occur? Because for me, it has occurred many times. I know what I'm doing when I'm doing.

You know it's not a good thing and yet you do it. That's part of addiction, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Going, yeah, whatever consequence there is on the other side of this, my immediate desire to regulate my emotions supersedes that. Well, this, for me, it was like, especially in the beginning, I was like, well, this is post-apocalyptic.

This is, I have every right to have a cigarette. Who's going to care? The end. Could be the end. I'm going to have a smoke. Yeah. Well, and then ironically, it turns up heavy nicotine use is preventing people from getting COVID. Have you read those in the New York Times?

Yeah. There's a like disproportionately low number of people with COVID that are smokers and nicotine users. There's something about it that has reduced its ability to anchor itself into your bod. I just love how sometimes the way you speak. I'm going to have myself a little sip of this. Oh, what do you got to lacrosse? This is a green tea ginseng. Is that an Arizona iced tea?

Yeah, it is. They're not a sponsor, by the way. Oh, my goodness. Good for you. What a blast from the past. Is that bad? I have to imagine. Look at the cans. Tell me how many grams of sugar. I can't times it by however many doses. I can't read it. My guys are not that good. I have context and I still can't read it. You can't read the side of a can. No, I can't read a side of a can. Is that so frustrating?

It is, in fact, what I had to do while you were taking. in a dump is I had to go and I had some questions and I just I had a bigger font what yeah what do you so great look here's my list of questions from my last interview that I just got off of and I go I go 15 and then if it's a point I really can't miss like the name of their book I pop it up to 18. Hold on everyone's on what number are you on first of all I'm if you see me looking I just have to make sure it's still recording because I'm doing this by my and there's a lot of stuff on it. OCD thing with the recorder. Well, you know, it happened once I was talking to someone.

I was like, oh my God, that is the best story. Holy shit. Can you repeat that amazing story? As if it's the first time you've ever told it to me. And what's funny is that was the one story they wanted cut. Oh. Yeah, it was a good story. But I had to respect it.

You know, it's like you got to respect. Did it involve sex or drugs? Drugs. Yeah. It wasn't even a big drug either. Isn't it weird? I mean, I guess I guess I understand. because I recognize that I'm abnormally forthcoming with all my shit.

But even within that and recognizing I'm on the far end of the spectrum, some things people hold on to. I just can't wrap my head around. Like what? Well, like drug use. Who the fuck cares? I just, you know, there'll be people that like don't want to admit they smoke weed. I'm just confused by it a little bit.

Yeah, I get, it's hard sometimes because we're so open. I think you're definitely one of the responsible, not responsible, I mean, you're responsible, but you're one of the reasons why I think I'm more open. I've become more open. I think this podcast has caused me to be more open because you start to think, it's almost like, I have to be honest. What am I talking about if I'm not, if I can't be honest about everything? And so that, but you definitely, you're just the first time you were on, people were always respond. Like that was your interview. you find that if you if you if you're not going to be honest about stuff they're just roadblocks in

interviewing right because you're like oh i could relate to them right now or i could you know i could advance this whole thing but i but i don't want to tell people i've done cocaine so now i can't advance it because of that and it just they all end up being little roadblocks along the way i think that's right because i i definitely feel when i start opening up about my anxiety childhood anything i feel like then people are like sort of like oh wow he's it just sort of like makes things okay burst into flames absolutely what i don't understand though is something that you have a gift for doing it or maybe it's just the patience to do it which surprises me because i've seen you impatient you know sure but how do you're directing so yeah well well i don't know you you pretty you were pretty solid when you directed

you kept your cool the only thing you ever said i'm in a hurry i guess is what i'm saying i'm a very frenetic fast paced yes but i remember i remember i remember one time we just had this conversation on set it was on hit and run which i i love doing and i think is a great movie by the way i do i really love that i love the part i love everyone i let everyone in the movie it was just a lot of fun it was this little indie thing and like you were just you know you're the lead in it which i should have learned when i did mine not to do that that's the hardest thing ever i don't know how we survive but i remember you sitting there and like do you trust me what do you trust me i go yeah then then what are we talking about just trust me you're gonna

it's gonna be fine and i remember that was a perfect pair because we have kind of the same fears like we both i well i'll speak for me i have a huge authority thing just right out of the gates i cannot stand authority i think it's because of step dads you had step dads i don't need some person telling me the game plan i had enough of that yeah so yeah right out of the the gates. And I had a lot of adults around me in childhood that had nefarious plans. Even if they weren't evil, they just had like self-serving plans that I was the victim of. So, you know, forever going forward, I just, I'm a little preoccupied by what's your real intention here, what's your real motivation? What are you really trying to get, you know? Right. Let's cut through all

the fine tape here. Let's let's just get to where you want to. What are you saying? Because you're beating around the bush here is that you don't trust me because if it's how you're going to look on film if it's how you're going to then i want you to trust me i've got that and sometimes you need that and sometimes look i have i think the biggest arguments i've ever gotten in my life were authoritative figures you're right uh directors not many well and i bet we remember a i bet we remember different details of that conversation and then b i bet we remember are different outcomes of that conversation because of course you and I are just we're creating a narrative at all time so mine's very self-serving so my memory of that I felt like the moment

where I got you to click in a little bit was I was like you know do you want to be in the same movie as everyone else because I can tell you like what movie all these people are in and I'm trying to get you in the same movie and I do feel a little bit like once I took it away from It's not what I want. I'm not trying to control you. Right. I'm just, we, we establish some tone in this movie, and you can either be in, in concert with that,

or you can be playing the trumpet on your own. Right. You know, you pick. Yeah, and I think sometimes, you know, as an actor, you probably, well, he hired me for the, he hired me, he knows what I could do. I'm just going to go balls out and try a bunch of things. But you wanted, you wanted specificity.

you want it and and by the way and that's not a word I get out easily or use but it made sense and sometimes it doesn't make sense until you see things until and I you know when you show me I was like oh like I don't have to do much like this is like it's there so I get it and it was one of those it was a great conversation I think that that needs to happen I think uh but my question really is first of all you do three hour interviews I know and it's it's it's it's like Rogan does that too. You guys do it. And maybe for me, I just don't have the patience. I can't talk to people more than an hour. Sometimes it's an hour and a half. A spectrum of ADD, let's say we're all somewhere on it, zero to 10, you're certainly higher on it than I am. Yeah. Yeah. So I wouldn't expect that you would be able to just stay in the zone for three hours. Yeah, that's hard. I think even when you and I did our live show, that was great. You had enough at an hour? well it's not that I had enough no I'm just like I feel like I have an energy and I bring a sort of energy and I'm like yeah and I'm just excited and I'm telling this and then I hit a wall somewhere

along and along yes and again from my point of view that whole day was so funny because we we flew down together and you were being so funny on the plane and you were entertaining all these new people which is exactly what I would do it's like all these new people to get approval from yep and like I'm enjoying it and then the producer me occasionally is like above it all going like, I don't know Rosenpub's going to have anything left for the show tonight. Yeah. This would be an extraordinary output to do twice, and it's a two-hour flight. So basically, you're going to do two-two-hour shows.

And luckily, we found you a hotel room, sent you there to just recoup and recharge for the big show. I passed out. That flight of entertainment. Of course you did. You put on like a real show, the whole flight. Yeah, and then on the way home, you broke the door down. The cockpit was locked. They couldn't open the door. You kicked it down.

You remember that? Didn't Jay kick it down? Oh, maybe it was Jay. Yeah, because it was his plane. Did I kick it? I can't remember. I just remember going, thank God the owner of the plane is here. Yeah, exactly.

Otherwise, like, well, I hope he doesn't. But fuck it. That cockpit door needed to be open. Well, we started getting a little claustrophobic, right? Yeah, I was getting worried. I didn't like it. A little trapped. Yeah, I didn't feel well.

I was hiding. I was just like, uh-huh. Yeah, sure. Uh, you know, back to that whole thing about authoritative figures. you know when you've directed a lot you know you directed big movies directed small movies episodes of tv parenthood this and that but like when you're on set now as an actor i know you i think well enough that when someone else is directing if you don't really like them like how they're doing this and how they're moving i know it probably pisses you off like you get really upset

well yeah it does and and i'm aware that i have an over sized reaction to it. You know what I'm saying? Like I like to think I'm self-aware enough to go, A, I'm not uniquely victimized by this. Whatever problems this director has, certainly every cast member is experiencing it, right? So I have to kind of remind myself, like, I'm not uniquely put upon right now. I'm just one of all these people that have to deal with the director. I try to remember that.

And then I go, I have a uniquely strong reaction. to being a part of a game plan I don't agree with, you know, from childhood baggage. But, I mean, does that alleviate the, the, the angst in me? Not a ton, but, but I have learned a little bit to, um, work around it in that I've learned how to help them know how to talk to me. This is like an Adam Grant guy, Adam Grant, this genius, uh, uh, professor who we've interviewed and not, now I'm like, he's my religion. But at any rate, like you got to, you got to give people a, uh, a,

an operator manual for you. You can't assume people know your childhood and your triggers and all this shit. So like you do people a real favor by giving them the operator's manual on you. So, so I tend to tell the directors like ahead of time, like, you know what would help me is if you tell me what the scene needs, I'll help you get what the scene needs. But if you, if you start micromanaging what I'm doing, I'm going to get defensive. I'm just too insecure. And so let me be a part of helping you get what you need out of the scene.

Because what I think a lot of times what happens is these arguments between directors and actors, the actor is right. The actor is doing something that would be truthful in the moment. And you're not going to persuade them or convince them that they're not. But the director has to make the whole thing work. They have to make the whole movie make sense. And a lot of times that involves not doing something that's necessarily truthful in the moment to tell the greater story. So the director's like balancing what would maybe be dead truthful in the moment versus what they have to, what the scene has to be to make the next scene work.

So if you let me in on the big project, I can probably, I'm more apt to like do something that I think feels fraudulent in the moment to help you get the big thing for the scene. Have you had directors where they don't want to do that? They're like, this is the way it's doing it and you can fucking pout about it or get pissed about it. I don't give a shit. Have they ever played that card with you? Um, yeah, I got to say I'm, I'm generally amenable, amenable, specificity.

Specificity. Um, you know, obviously it's, it's something you would experience way more on, in a movie than on TV. Like on TV, I'm very sympathetic to those directors, man, they come in, everyone knows each other. They've known each other for a couple years and they got to be the boss. And they're the newbie, yeah. group and they're an outsider it's like i was i was said this the other day like it would be like moving to a new school and when they introduce you to the class they tell them they're you're also the school president like here's meet dax he just moved here from milford michigan right and he's

now the school president everyone's going to hate that fucking kid and that is what a tv director's life is they come in as an outsider and they're the boss yeah i mean do you do you feel like there's certain things that you actually really care about i try to do this. I try to work as though I care about this and I really want to be an integral part of it and I want to have a say and I want to have an opinion. And then there's some things I've done we're like, I don't even care. I don't care. Do whatever you want to do. Get me out of here so I can go home. I'll hit my marks. I'll say my lines, but I don't really care. It's not worth me getting upset about. Well, increasingly as I've done this longer, that I'm of that opinion most of the

time. In fact, my agitation with directors in the last couple of years is almost never about creative. It's all about why are we going to do it this way? It'll take four times as long and we won't accomplish the thing any better than we would if we did it this way. You know, that's my frustration generally. But you know what their answer is? Their answer is always like, well, I'm being creative and I want to do something that I think hasn't been seen or that that's why I'm doing it. If we do it your way, it's cookie cutter and they're not going to ask me back. So it's out of a place of fear perhaps. Yeah, I'm sure it is, but you know, you have to kind of assess like some people want to be away from their family and I get it. I mean, especially right now after

two and a half months in a house with my family, put me in a 16 hour a day set. I'll be happy as a clam. But in general, I want to go home and see my family. And I understand a lot of people don't want to. And that's where the, that's kind of where it gets into a situation where there almost appears to be no compromise because you just you want to be at work all day and i don't right and i don't know how we i don't know how we saw that so my my suggestion is like there's some actors here that also don't want to be home you guys go crazy on the days you're with them fucking shoot 20 hours uh you know yeah but for me let's let's keep it let's keep it lean mean and you know tail lights

seriously you know by the way I've also found that it's not like the quality of my acting's gone down when I was

when I was crazy about acting and I thought so much about it and I had to do this thing and they had to let me show you

this would work all that you add up all those performances with the ones where I didn't give a shit I don't think

there's a difference and perhaps I'm better when I don't give a shit maybe we had a conversation and I remember it was in a coffee shop

in Studio City and you raised your voice you weren't yelling but you were very assertive you were very this was important to you

so I thus began a a conversation that everyone had to hear and it was like well I don't understand because you

you you you came from everyone had to hear well you came from a vet I mean your point was valid

I remember he said Well I just like to work I like to act I don't care if I'm on a bad show I don't care if I'm on this I want to perform I want to act I want to work And we had two different sort of ideas In fact I think we might have talked about this And with Monica on the plane

You're Monica This has come up a bunch between you and I Yeah it's an ongoing disagreement And I I'm sort of like Maybe it's because I had success With acting at a younger age I'm younger but and I kind of burn out and I was just like I just don't I want to have to love what I'm doing now maybe and maybe all of a sudden you hit your stride you went from you know you were on

punked and you did groundlings and you all this but you had to really we all had to earn it but you really had to grow and grow in this role in this role and and maybe you know you maybe you're starting to get burn out of it now you're understanding my point well no I think for me, and by the way, this was my point then, and it remains my point. And by the way, I'm not judgmental of anyone operating out of ego. I operate out of ego in so many realms of my life. But I do recognize that me wanting to be on Breaking Bad is my ego, because I want people around town to bump into me and say, oh my God, I love your show, right? And I want to have died having been on these great shows. But then another part of my brain recognizes my children are

never going to see Breaking Bad. They're not going to rediscover it. It goes away. It happened. It goes away. There's no permanence. There's no, it doesn't matter. I'm going to die. And whether or not I leave behind me 700 episodes of amazing TV or 700 episodes of terrible, unwatchable TV, there's really no difference in that outcome. Because no one beyond. my life is going to evaluate that. So all my life really will have been is how much fun did I have making the 700 terrible or great episodes and how much did they pay me? Right. I think. The rest I think is my ego. Now, and again, I don't mind that. But here's it like, yes, you like great shows. And my point to you was always like, then watch great shows. Turn them on, enjoy them. You don't have to be in them.

look i i agree to a point i think my approach was i think your kids will watch them but first of all it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter no it doesn't matter so look of course there's ego i have a lot of ego and fuck i've worked on it we both have i think for me it's like look a if i couldn't afford like if i have a family or if i couldn't afford something i will do whatever it is i don't care if they're doing whatever i'm not going to bad mouth the show i I mean, I will, but I don't, I would do it. I would do whatever it takes to get, have money to provide. But if I'm lucky enough where I could make those decisions,

I'd much rather spend my time on a show that has, that I'm really proud of that is actually, uh, I stretch. I, uh, I'm challenged. Uh, I, I'm, I'm like, I can't wait to tell people to watch this as opposed to, hey, I'm on the show that I don't even like. That's my point. it's a great point but I had this experience over the last couple years which was I was on the ranch on Netflix it has a humongous audience I've never met a single person in Hollywood that's watched it and not one and I know several hundred people in Los Angeles and not one human being in our industry has watched the ranch now when I go do a live show around the country I meet a ton of people that like the ranch that has five million viewers um so what I'm really doing is I'm

elevating the opinion of my peers above the five million people that watch the show and enjoy it. First and foremost, right? I've decided I want my peers approval and not this five million people. Because I think it goes without saying neither of us are talking about a show that has no audience. Then that's moot. Yeah, you can't be on a show with no audience. Oh, I've had those shows. Okay, but they don't last. You're not on them for long. Yeah. So my point is like, if you're on a show that has an audience, now you're talking about what audience are you proud to have. And that's kind of ego because there's no humans more valuable than another. So the 5 million people that love the ranch versus the 5 million people that love the

parenthood, the only difference was some of those people that love parenthood were my peers. So it felt better. My ego felt more stroked by the fact that it was my peers as opposed to these other 5 million people. So once I acknowledge there's no hierarchy and who likes it, you know, or it'd be shitty of me to think there's a hierarchy, I then go to, okay, so I. probably wouldn't watch the ranch. None of my peers watch the ranch. But to your point, if I want to be proud of the work I did, ironically, I had some scenes in the ranch that I think are the best I've ever had as an actor. Like the final of that show, I actually had the experience,

I've had the experience on parenthood where I'm trying to be emotional. And then I had like the transcended experience on the ranch where it was like, I was so emotional. I was trying not to be emotional, which is what would have really happened in that situation. And I was trying not to cry and I was failing at that. And I've never had that experience. That's truth. Yeah, yeah. I haven't had it on another project. And there were tons of other projects that were maybe, you know, quote in our industry better. But my personal experience and my personal accomplishment probably peaked on that show that none of my peers will watch. Yeah. No, valid point. I think ultimately, though, at the end of the day, it's not a matter of like the Midwest watching it or Hollywood

watching it or whoever watches it it's and it's not even about you watching it's like do you like working do you if you like the work for instance if ashton was exactly yeah process do you like process do you like all process because i'm not a big fan of all process i don't like look i'll do it maybe but you know people think of hollywood they think of it's just all glamour i've had friends come on every set i've ever been on and go god man you're doing that fucking thing again what the fuck they've already shot it before there's nothing better than bringing someone to set it's so exciting for four and a half minutes and they can't wait to get the fuck out of it it's so great everybody everybody even if it's their favorite show doesn't matter you bring them after five minutes

they're like wait this is so boring yeah then by the fifth tape they're going i don't know if lex luther would say that either that's kind of i don't i don't like your reaction the last one yeah i didn't ask you so but yeah i mean look it's it's i get i get it you like work i i like Look, you also worked with Ashton Coutcher, who was one of your close friends. So if Ashton wasn't in it or some other guys weren't in it that you knew, would you have done it? It's hard to say. I definitely did it because of Ashton and because the pay wasn't there initially. So I wouldn't have done it for the pay.

Then they did pay me when I came on as a regular, which was nice. But look, I was in the movie, the judge, right? Fucking, you name them. They're in them. DeNofrio. and Robert Downey Jr. Great Santini. What was his name?

Robert Duvall. The point is everyone, there's a phenomenal actor. They're all much better actors than I am. The pleasure I had on that set, by the way, I did the same thing on that set, which is I told a bunch of jokes. I tried to make everyone laugh,

and I got approval, and I loved it. And the same thing was happening on the ranch. So for me, the experience is almost identical. It's just a place for me to go to try to be entertaining to people. So you like, it's not even the acting as much, is how do I entertain people? It's between takes. I think you and I both share that.

I think you and I both share that. It's exhausting, but that's what we do. Yes, and that's why I love this job. It's a job where you're encouraged to fuck around and delay working and be funny and, you know, who else has that job where like, you know, the boss is thrilled that you were a fucking goofball the whole day. It's the dream.

Well, if you're saying that, then the next time you direct something, If you want to pay me a decent amount of money just to come and entertain the crew, maybe do some stand-up in-between takes, I'd love to do that. I can't see me directing anything for another few decades, so I hope you still have the stamina in your 60s. Why? Why don't you want to direct anything? For those things that we talked about, which is I have a five-year-old and a seven-year-old. Directing a movie is two years of your life. You get one paycheck for those two years.

it could fucking tank or it could be humongous and I that that cost reward analysis doesn't appeal to me as much as it once did well how long do you work on a set how long do you work on

bless this house bless this mess well it was canceled do you know that oh I'm sorry I know you enjoyed that it's totally okay I did enjoy it I really thought the show is really funny I loved it I love watching with my kids I loved all the dude

Cackner Oh come on Lennon Parham you know, lake. The whole cast was insane. It was definitely the funniest cast I've been a part of. So I loved it. But it was 65 hours a week for seven months of the year.

And I have three other jobs. So just getting the time back definitely soften the blow of, you know, my ego. Right. Having my show canceled. But, well, I guess my point is if seven months, 65 hours a week, why couldn't you do a two and a half month movie that's less than half of that you could go back and direct something i know it's well because i got to write for a year okay you do that at home then you got to prep then you got to shoot for a couple two and a half months then you got to edit for

three months then you got to test then you got to go promote it's two years you're right but i just remember how you know you were good at it not only but you were passionate about it and i knew you had fun doing it and and i just you know i remember the joy you had i mean I mean, forget what it. You know, so. There's nothing I like more than production. There's nothing I enjoy more than directing the movie. Now, the year beforehand, I don't love.

It's lonely writing. And then the stress of editing and testing is not fun, I wouldn't say. Of course, you get a huge sense of pride as you make it better and better in all those things and you test higher. All that stuff's rewarding. But, you know, the fun part of the two years is the two months you're sure. And again, that's a lot of, that's a lot of months that aren't fun to have the two fun months. And it's not like I left directing and went to, back to the tasseling corn. I left directing and I'm on a sitcom and I have a podcast and I host Top Gear and I have a game show.

Those are all really fun things, you know. I mean, do you think you'll want to act again or like, or not like, you know, direct movies? do you think you'll do you i know we had this conversation but it seems like we both love doing our podcasts we both like oh man i i kind of this is this is great i'm fulfilled to have great fans and listeners and i enjoy it i feel like i'm making a difference i'm i'm improving as a human being uh you know i guess when does it become enough because i see you do all these things and you're two kids we got what's what lincoln's what seven yeah five and seven five and decode yeah so i'm like holy shit man you got this family you got it's just you you you

do so much. And sometimes I wonder, why do these people? Why does my friend do as much as that? Why doesn't he just chill the fuck out? Why? What is it psychologically that you just need to do more and more and more and more? Well, I think there's, there's a, there's many, many reasons why. One is, I'll start with the grossest. I'm a, I have a huge fear of financial insecurity, despite the fact that I have no financial insecurity. It doesn't matter because fears aren't generally reality base. So, you know, I'm from a very modest background and my mom built this business and money was a big priority in our lives and sacrifice for money was what you did. And so, you know, I have a hard time if someone calls me and says, hey, you want to make

X amount of money in a week by filming 10 episodes of a game show in a week. And I'm going to say, no, I think I'm good without that money. I can't imagine saying that. So there's that. Two, all those things I actually enjoy doing, right? So it's not like none of them am I on my way there going like, oh, I got to fucking do this. I don't have that feeling. So there's no downside. The only real stress is like, again, bless this mess with so many hours,

I start going like, fuck, I don't like that I'm just either waking my girls up and driving them to school or putting them down. I don't like having to decide if I only get to do one of those things. I don't love that. I bring my kids that said it's so fucking boring. I feel terrible for them. Then I regret it. Oh, why'd I bring them here?

Well, I wanted to see them. Oh, there's nothing for them to do. You know, that all happens. But there's a strike while the iron's hot mentality. I just want to stockpile money so I'm not ever. Look, you know what I don't want to do? I don't want to be 80 playing a guy who poops his pants in a scene that no one knows their name because I need the money. I don't want to be in that situation.

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That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash inside of you. Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash inside of you. Yeah, you know, I'm just, I'm probably overly pragmatic about, you know, hopefully it'll be a long ride and I'm going to need money 40 years from now. So, you know. Yeah. Well, it's just amazing to me. You don't have as many financial fears as I do. Well, I don't. And I have, by the way, yeah. And I know you don't like, you know, we don't know, we don't talk about money. But it's like you have a, you're a very successful actor, podcaster, direct, all

that. Kristen's tremendously, blah, blah, blah. You both. So you have two people that are making money. Yeah. And my agents are always telling me, you, I just, I don't know if some of it's fear, some of it's just, I don't want to be, do that. I don't want to. There's a lot of stuff that goes through my head. But listen, I definitely look at my finances every month and go,

I still do this since I was a kid. Since I was, no, in New York. And I go, you have $900. You could pay rent for one month. You can eat. You could rollerblade to work this week because you work at emergency skills incorporated on the phone, telemarketing. you could and then all of a sudden then i got money when i was 26 and i go okay first season of

smallville wow it went all the way through even today like you could actually live eight years if you did nothing and i start that's what i do where i'm like i don't think about getting more and more and more like my agent's like dude you can do this and this and i just want to be comfortable i really do i don't i just want to the second somebody goes oh you have nothing left i'm like oh get me get me a job oh here's the great irony all of it is that you you you you at me right after I had been living for 10 years in L.A. on 8 grand a year. I did that for 10 years. And I almost never thought about money. And then when I got money and started thinking about money all the time. Like when I had none, it was just like, oh, you got none. You got

$8,000 a year. You got to pay this rent. Half of $600. Bree paid the other half. And then I got to stay drunk five nights a week. What's the cheapest way I can do that? And once it was all dialed, It was like, it was just on like auto deduction. Like, okay, I'm going to make $8,000 and then I'm going to spend it on this. And it's all, and I'm going to save $500 a year. Like, and then it was over. I didn't even think about it. But I do the same thing as you.

I'm like, okay, how long can we live? And I have kids. And the kids got to go to college and the kids, blah, blah, blah. So I just, I work through that scenario. And then all that happens is there's different permutations. Like I go, okay, well, how long can we live with this lifestyle? Okay. Okay.

So what have we scaled it back by this? Then we could live this long. But it's just endless and it's pointless. And I recognize it's a racket. And it's all foes security. There's no security in life. This fucking this coronavirus came around. Just started laughing at everyone.

Oh, everyone planned for this. Check this out. Everyone's going to sit in their fucking home for the next three months. Was that in your plan? So I recognize it's all an illusion of security, which is not to say that I'm able to detach my, from it. I still obsess about it. Do you, I guess part of that question was, I mean, if I were you, I'd go, what, how much is enough, Shepard? Yeah, how much is enough? That's what I was

thinking, because I know that, look, it's obvious. It's not like, you know, obviously you guys have way more money. Money's not the, look, it's, I'm just saying, like, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to go there. It doesn't matter. Okay. What I will say is, well, here's what I can tell you about what's enough. Okay. I know because it's already happened. Whatever number I were to you, the day I reach that number, there'll be a new number. That I know about myself. Okay. No, that's good. I like it. Listen. And by the way, when you and I were, when you and I were 18 and we lived in the Midwest, yeah. If someone told us we had a million dollars. Oh my God. I'm telling you I would have been like, sweet. I get a fucking, uh, a mastercraft ski boat. I get a 79 Bronco. I buy his house for 180. Yeah.

And then I'm done. By the way, not a million. When I was a kid in Indiana, I go, I make $100,000 I'm leaving this world. Oh, I thought it was $100,000. I thought $100,000 would get you. And then you're like, well, $100,000 will last most families. Oh, maybe a year. Yes. Well, and in my paradigm, the people that made that were the engineers at General Motors.

So my whole life was automotive. Everyone I knew was somehow in that world. And if you got to like, I don't know, seventh level at GM as an engineer, you could make 100 grand. So for me, that was virtually the ceiling of what someone could make. so yeah and then the second you make that you know the million dollars on smallville all of a sudden your friends was some asshole who's making five million dollars a year and that's part of what drives the insanity is right okay that's good this is what i'm going so my question is with all this stuff and all the money and uh you know the marriage and the kids and all this you think that don't you

want a quieter time don't you want to be able to how much time do you really have to spend with your friends how much time do you really have in general because do you miss those times in michigan do you miss those times of just when it was just simpler and you didn't have that much responsibility and you do you ever think do you ever uh reflect do you ever um what's the word uh evaluate or revert back to old behaviors or go oh shit i'm trying i'm thinking a certain way I used to. I got to correct that. Well, I will say, now, I just admitted all that gross stuff about me, how much I think about money and I'm obsessed with it. But I will say, I do think I'm pretty balanced. Like, so I still have tons of hobbies. I still go off-roading all the time. I have, like,

a group of friends I ride on the motorcycle track with that I race with. There's, there's, I have, like, sand dune buddies. I have, um, actor buddies. I have, I have a big friendship group. And, and, and I spent a lot of time with that group. All things considered, the fact that I do have these jobs. And increasingly, as you've pointed out, you know, my calculus to whether or not I want to work on a job is like, what's the bang for the buck? Can I make 10 episodes in a week? Yeah, sign me up.

Top gear. I'm on top gear. We can shoot an episode in two and a half days. That beats the shit out of being on an HBO show, an episode of Game of Thrones takes 13 days, you know? So that stuff starts becoming part of the analysis. You want to maybe, it's not, it's not bad. I think it's kind of it's what I want I mean I'd love to feel like I'm doing nothing but still

making a living sure I think that's I think that's the goal we would all like that yeah I mean that's I mean really who wants to who wants to work but but but increasingly I'll also say this a big part of the equation now also and this is from like I look up to people like Danny McBride who clearly didn't ever prioritize money he only prioritized working with friends and I think he's the big winner in all this I think there's probably people who make more money but, like, and I think Sandler did that brilliantly. I think the people who recognize, okay, I'm going to work, that's going to be very time consuming,

but I have the ability to spend all that time with friends, then you're just, you're winning. So that's, you know, like Chris and I are going to do a game show. And it's like, yeah, that won't be a job. I'll just be with Kristen. And that's ideal. Like I'm working with my favorite person and I'll get paid. So, you know.

You said something awesome on a, interview. You said it was the first time in a relationship where you felt like in your other relationships, you tried to make the person you're dating more like the person you want to date or something like that. I'm paraphrasing. But with Kristen, you didn't do that. It was the first time you made a conscious effort not to sort of go there and say, hey, I'm not going to try to mold her into what I want. And I thought that was really interesting because I think I've done that. 21 and older, let another N-word Molder. That's a Jay-Z line.

But I really, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, yes, never, never consciously. I've never like, I'm not a psychopath. I've never, like, dated someone and like, I'm going to, I'm going to turn them into the person I want. But slowly, I argue with people. They have a position on something. I try to convince them of my way of thinking.

And I just do that. And then you look at it cumulatively over time, and you're like, oh I think of I think I was you know I think I was trying to get this person to think exactly like me but why would the fuck would I want to be with someone that thinks exactly like me just stay by myself exactly why am I doing this like what you should be looking to add someone to your life that thinks completely different that has a different skill set that that basically doubles your life in its scope and worldview and and you know I had that commitment when I met Kristen and a lot of the stuff for me personally was challenging. I was like, do you believe that Jesus was a son of God? And then he rose for our sins. And she said, yes. And I was like, my first thought was, oh, no, I want to have kids with this person. Is she going to tell them that they're going to go to hell if they sin?

Like, I go to all these fears about what her believing in that wall, how it'll negatively impact me. Because I'm a selfish motherfucker. And it all is about how it will impact me. And I just thank God for the first time my life had the foresight to go. don't even touch that. That's great. You think that? Awesome. I'll worry about the kids thing when that arises. And guess what? Many years later, we had kids and that's not an issue I even wrestle with. So it would have been a complete waste of my energy in time. And it never even ended up bearing the poisonous fruit. I was afraid it would. By the way, I just thought, wow,

I wish everybody would marry someone who's sort of the opposite in thinking or have because then maybe kids would be more normal because if two parents believe one thing that kid is going to spend the rest of his life saying what mommy and daddy said I believe what they said and that just carries on but when two people, you know,

you and Kristen, you know, they could listen to your arguments and make their own decision ultimately. Yeah, and you know, we do have a kind of family rule in our house which is best argument wins.

So when we tell them they can't do something or they're, you know, whatever, the, Numerous rules you got to put in place as a parent, which blows. They have their day in court, right? And quite often they win. Like, if they can make a really salient argument and it's logic-based and we will concede defeat if they argue well. You know, we share the same fear.

You know, you said, you know, I think that you've said this before where like you always imagine yourself as not a very bright person. Obviously, you're very bright. but I've always thought of myself like that and because of my dysfunction in my life and my family and my history it's like when someone tells you you're dumb or you're not smart at a young age or you have disabilities or whatever

you believe that no matter what anybody tells you those developmental years are crucial and I have felt that so I mean that's a you know I don't even know where I was going with that but I mean I'm just well even more than the people telling you which who knows what the effect of that is

but you and I I think, if I know your history correctly, like, I got called on in class, you know, kindergarten of fifth grade when I had, you know, terrible dyslexia and it was undiagnosed, where they call on me and I'm pretty certain that word says this and I say it out loud and then everyone laughs. And it's not even the other people telling me I'm a dumbass. I'm learning real time. I'm a dumbass. Like I thought it was that word. And it's not. Fuck. It's scary. Because yeah, I didn't walk around thinking I was like a dumbass or couldn't comprehend the world around me. Yet when you when you put these letters, these symbols on that chalkboard, I fucking don't know any.

I'm the worst in the class. And I've said a million times. I, when I get a D or an F in art class and she's like, what, what is this? That's not green. That's a and I, you know, I'm colorblind. And I just, oh, but I don't know anything other than yeah, I don't know why I don't know this. So I am dumb because no one fails art. I'm dumb.

In fact, you'd be. dumb not to conclude you were dumb. Oh, yeah. That would be like the proof you were dumb. Real time. You didn't recognize you were dumb. Yeah. I recognized I was dumb, which is dangerous.

But this is what I, this is my point. The reason I feel like I have not gotten married, there's a lot of reasons. I'm sure you know most of them. But a big one is, I can't imagine teaching my daughter or son math or science or reading with them.

And then I'll go back to going, I don't understand this now. I'm really dumb. That really scares me that I can't educate my children the way that they should probably be educated. But can I tell you something? Homework wise. The best education you could give them is relating to them, empathizing with them, sharing in their frustration, saying, I too couldn't learn this. And look, I wasn't dumb.

The fucking math, spelling, that's not the thing you need to learn in life. The thing you need to learn in life is resilience, is, you know, is it's about. be a good human being. It's character. And you could always educate a kid on his character. And you could always identify and share and let them know you're, you know how they feel and they're not alone and they're not the first person to have this struggle. That's what you got to teach your kid, not fucking algebra.

When's the last time you did a quadratic equation? Well, I don't want to get into Pythagorean's theorems. A squared plus B squared. Jeez, don't get me. Always equal c squared. Hey, do you hate, do you hate, I know you talk about this. I'm sure you've asked this, the answer to this question. But do you, do you hate being called like sort of America's couple, the perfect couple?

Does that make it harder if you, it's got to make it harder if you ever want to get divorced, right? It's like, fuck, now they're all going to think the perfect couple. I mean, do you ever think like that? Oh, well, I think I'm very realistic about if we were to get divorced, America would most certainly side with her. There's no, it doesn't matter what the facts would have made me. I agree. even if she like it was it came out that she was fucking 69 in lebron james in a target parking lot i know people would be like well dach should have 69ed her he must have pushed her to that

parking lot uh so i have no illusion that that america wouldn't side with her i've even taken it as far as i probably would be unemployable or maybe they'd let me play villains in movies you know uh but in general yeah i would come out on the business end of that separation. I am not unaware of that. And yet, life would go on. All the more reason, I'll be glad I stockpiled some money. That is the best answer you can possibly give. Let's just call a spade a spade. I mean, what do you, like, what do you, like, do you argue about, is it usually the same thing as that you have a certain thing where you're like, you have a trigger, you get mad? She has a trigger. She cries. She gets mad. Is there something

that you know you don't go down that path? Oh, there's, there's, There's a hundred. And again, you know, the details aren't necessarily relevant. It's all about like the pattern. Like if you can recognize the pattern and then you can just plug anything into that pattern. She leaves the fucking doors of the cabinets open all the time. She don't even put the lids on her fucking medication. I go to get a nails clipper and I bump something and there's pills all over. You know, the specifics are immaterial. It's like what pattern do we endlessly find ourselves in? And, and, and, and, And how do we divert out of that pattern? And what do you do? Do you calmly sit there? I can only tell you my side of the street, which is, and this is all from AA. If we're having a conversation and I notice my breathing changes, my chest is a little tighter, and now my volume's gone up a bit, but I don't even realize my volume's gone up a bit.

That I know 100% of the time, whatever the thing is, we're debating, whether it's the cabinets or the medicine. I have a fear that's being triggered. And I need to go into a room and figure out what fear is being triggered. And until I know what fear is being triggered, until I can share with her what fear is being triggered, the rest of the debate's going to be a waste of time. Because I just don't care about things that don't trigger fears in me. There's a million things she does that are objectively offensive as a human. Like a human, if a human's throwing something in a trash can,

they should make sure it lands in the trash can. and if it doesn't, they should take the time to put it in that trash can. Now, I'll walk into the bathroom and I'll see there's like any number of tissues and some Q-tips and you name it, just around the trash can. It doesn't bother me. I find it, you know, objectively wrong, but it doesn't bother me. I'm like, yeah, you know what, man, she gets as close as she can and that's enough for her. And then there's some other thing that is less objectively offensive that I am off to the races on because it triggered. she cares about work more than me

or she cares about family more than me she cares about something more than me as I feared my mother did and that's what's going on and I need to get vulnerable and tell her I'm afraid you care about that thing more than me and she literally goes honey I don't care about anything more than you

and then it's over and I believe her you know but I got to get to that point where I can go I'm afraid you care about that thing more than me that's incredible that's incredible that you learn that feeling because I get that feeling and I never know what to do with it. And first of all, if you didn't say that, I'd think, well, this is the feeling I get when I'm upset, when someone's upset me, or when I'm just, I'm unhappy.

So there's a trigger here. I don't think, all right, whatever this is, you don't need to go out with it. This is, you get something, right then, talk to yourself, go in another room because whatever comes out of your mouth probably isn't going to be good. And it's going to come out of a dark place. My favorite example of this, well, I have two. One is you could dedicate the remaining thousand episodes of your podcast to how short Dax Shepard is. That could be, you could even entitle the podcast, Dax Shepard is so short, too short.

You could do a thousand episodes. It never bother me because I don't have any fear of being too short. I am objectively tall. I don't have a fear of being too short so you could spend the rest of your life trying to make fun of me for being short and it wouldn't bother me. now if you had a podcast called dax is self-centered and sucks up too much energy in a room I'm bothered by that because I do do that and I have a fear that I do that and so it would bother me intensely and it would bother you but you know they were right so how what do you do

you do about that you try to change yourself or do you say I'm innately that way because I do that I'm like I go in a room and whether it's insecurity I don't think they're going to like me for me I'll be funny I'll be this it's something that I'm not it's something at a young age I did because I didn't like myself. I wasn't confident with my looks. Whatever it was, I did. And now I entertain and people light me. I'm like, okay, I got him. I got them. I'm now. I can fucking, okay. Right. So all that is, is an internal job, right? That's a Michael Rosenbaum job that no one else has anything to do with. Right. You can pretend they do, but they don't. And I do think that all of our problems, each individual person on this planet,

their problems have nothing to do with anyone else those other people just trigger their fears and their insecurities and then that's the problem like if you if your if your self-esteem was literally a thousand percent as I'm saying if if my confidence in every aspect of my personality was the same as my confidence in that I'm not short I wouldn't have problems because everyone could be saying whatever they were saying and it would never bother me. So all of all that to say, my only problem is Dax and making sure Dax's self-esteem is an optimal level, as high as it can get. And then I don't have problems anymore.

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I heard an 80s song yesterday. And I remember, I would not, I'm saying this out loud. But I remember, I got a tear in my eye and go, God, I just, how do I get back? I know, I know. I know. I really, I really thought I want, God, how could I, I mean, if there is a heaven. I think there is. I hope that when you die subconsciously, whatever it is that you love, maybe you don't even know how much you love it until you die and you're there. Whatever that is, you die and all that shit's released in your brain. What's that called?

DMT, what the fuck shit's that called? The God drug? Whatever it is. Well, whatever it is, it's in your brain. It releases when you die. I'll send you an article. But anyway, when you die, you go to a place. You're like, yeah, I'm walking down Landview Drive to Danny Cutter's house and his brother's

got an El Camino and fucking Van Halen jumps playing. I'm going to go downstairs in the basement and play Atari Pac-Man and the fuck that's raining and then there's a tornado and Shoutsy and Cricket are kind of taking it almost blowing away in the fucking winds or almost like lifting the dogs up and Ron, the brother's grabbing him. I'm like, I don't know what it is. Simpler times, moments because not all of my childhood was brilliant, but I miss a certain just innocence of like, God, I didn't think about work so much.

all I thought about was, how do I just enjoy? How do I just be in this moment? You didn't think about it. But what's ironic, it appears to me what's appealing about that phase of your life is that you actually were present. Like the thing that you're nostalgic for, the feeling, it's not about Van Halen. It's not about all those details. Your emotional state, it sounds like, was present.

Was like in the time you were in. You were occupying the slice of time and stuff. space that you were in. You weren't trying to get somewhere. You didn't have aspirations yet. You weren't evaluating yourself yet against all these other people who had similar aspirations and where they're at. And what you really miss is a contentment and a presence. And so the irony being, of course, is that you're leaving the present today to want to be there. And so it's like for you to be there would be to stop wanting to be there. You could be there again. You could walk out your fucking driveway right now

and go, God damn, I live on this street. I bought this place. I can take a stroll. No one could say I can't if I want to walk all the way down the hill and get a fucking slurpy. I can do it. I could stop at fucking your buddy's house.

Life's too short not to hit your pool, buddy. Oh, Harlan. Yeah, Harlan. I mean, you could choose to be doing the exact thing in 1986 you love. there wasn't that feeling and maybe there is there wasn't that feeling of like i got to make money i got

to do this i got to impress i got to fucking take care of that there was just like i just got to be home by six and eat some shitty dinner that my mom's creating and then go upstairs and pretend like and then watch the thing on tv that's playing i didn't there wasn't there is that and there's always like there's still that little kid that's going fuck man all right i want to be growing up i'm responsible i don't do drugs i try to i'm a good person for the most part i try to be And then there's just like, ah, and then you start to go back and forth. Like, how much do I really love this? How much do I really do it like myself?

How much, there's all that that always kind of catches up with you. Yeah, but I think what you suffer from disproportionately is I think the weight of some trajectory in your mind you're supposed to be on is, is a lot, is cumbersome for you. And by the way, I haven't, I've certainly spent most of my. working life not being this way. But I have to say, I've really transitioned into comparing myself to previous versions of myself and no one else. And I have found elation in that. I, you know what? Right when you said that, it made me think. And I definitely liked myself better than I did a year ago or six months, maybe even than yesterday. But that doesn't, it's, look, I'm on the right

path. I think we all are. I think if we just like learned, you know, it may sound like a stupid question, but it's like, you know, that question when people say, do you love yourself? That's always bothered. I mean, I've asked it everyone, so. Not much. But like, you know, that's a, you should either love yourself, you should know

the answer immediately, shouldn't you? Hmm. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you should know it immediately. I think what would be really relevant is what things because I don't think you can think your way

into feeling differently. I think you have to act your way into feeling differently. So I think if I ask you right now, Rosenbaum, what's the five things on your list that give you self-esteem? What are they? I like when people

email the show or I read fan letters or I bump into someone or on my Patreon and someone says your podcast changed my life it um you know listening do you talk about anxiety with the people that you know it helps normal whatever that does give me like a reason like hey i'm i'm doing something right that's great but you know also self-esteem sure when you're when you have more listeners when you have more uh sponsors when you have more a lot of things that of course aren't that

important but of course they feed that self-esteem but i i really try to go hey i don't need to make an exorbitant amount of money. I just want to do something I love and make a living at it. That's what everyone wants to do. That's a tough question because, yeah, there are things self-esteem-wise that we do when someone says, oh, I don't need to hear I'm handsome. I don't need to hear that. I think if someone doesn't have a list of, if they don't know the things that give them

self-esteem, how on earth could they be working on their self-esteem? So, you know, for me, mine is exercise. when I exercise, it raises myself esteem. I'm proud of myself. I did something that I didn't enjoy doing for the betterment of myself long term. If I eat healthy, that gives me self-esteem. Again, I rejected something

that was tempting for my betterment. I'm of a service to people. I don't want to fucking call people in AA. I don't want to take someone through the steps. I don't want to do any of that shit. I don't want to fucking host a meeting at my house. But when I do something for other people, I feel I like myself more.

I can answer that question. I love myself. And so, you know, there's one needs to know what things result in self-esteem because they're not going to magically arrive at it. You know what? One thing that came to mind is when I do things

where I don't think about what, whether it's, oh, what do you get from that? Or, oh, if you do that, you know, this will, you know, people will see. It's altruism. It's when the other day, I was on my phone and it says, I won't, you know, it said on Twitter, I don't know, whatever, it said a kid graduates and on his drive home, his, well, him and his sister in the backseat, his parents are killed in a crash on his graduation day. That's most exciting. And immediately, I didn't wait a bit.

I didn't think of anything other than I have to contact the school. I have to find a way to somehow help or donate or whatever. I didn't say who I was or not that that matters, but I just, I found the school and I, and I wrote and I genuinely did it from a place of just love and it almost made me emotional that I was doing this because it felt good and it felt like I had to do that. Yes. And so, and I think you and I share this even though I'm not, I'm not willing to say you're an addict. I know nothing about that. But what I will say is in, in AA, even that altruism is selfish, which is totally okay, in my opinion. So I believe that the source of almost all my

anxiety and depression and all that stuff is thinking about myself. If you give me time to think about myself, I will inevitably start wondering where I'm ranking in this world and I'll start comparing myself to other people and I'll start thinking of the things that Dax doesn't have that he should have. And the more time I spend thinking about myself, the less happy I am. Maybe that's why you do. Maybe that's why you're so busy. I think that's probably part of the thing. But I know from service in AA, it's pretty hard to be thinking about what I do or don't have while I'm helping someone else. I just get kind of sucked into their problem or sucked into their thing. And it just, it frees me from thinking of myself. And so, you know, one of the things with you

is like, I don't think it's right or wrong to be in a relationship or be married. I don't give a fuck. I have no position on that. What I have a position on it, the way I think it could be hugely beneficial to you is simply you're going to have to spend so much goddamn time thinking about the other person and the compromise that you guys have to come to that it kind of, it takes away some of the free time to obsess it by yourself and the things you need and where you're at. And so it's like, fuck all the other stuff.

it's just like get some fill up that dance card with other people's problems and inevitably you have less time to think about yours and really you don't have fucking problems because you're full and there's a roof over your head everything else is just abstract right all right all right this is it this is uh all right i got my patrons my top patrons ask questions and i you just spit fire this is uh dach shepherd shit talking questions answer them as quickly as you want Leanne, since both Dax and his wife are successful actors, is it difficult to find a work home balance? It's really not. I don't know why.

It's almost enough to make me believe in a higher power. I get busy. She gets time. Then she gets busy and I get time. It's been freaky. Since we've had kids, generally our very busy times have kept docey doing. Jennifer Ann, would you do a horror film if yes, with who? what one did I say well like you think about a get out or something you I'd kill to be in that movie right would you want to be the killer or someone who's racing from the killer I was just thinking of this for Kristen and I yesterday because we're both now without scripted television shows and I was like wouldn't it be fun to maybe play on the if I was a cynic well I am a cynic if I was in America looking at Kristen and I I'd go fuck that bullshit he's probably gay she's probably gay she's

probably blank she's a junkie there's no way this is real so maybe i would love to do a horror movie where we're like maybe like an on-aired married newscast team or something and then when we're off work we're just fucking evil um you know what that'd be funny because it plays on the whole thing where all dachsh and christ in america's couple they're cute they're sweet and then all a sudden like fuck you i knew they were i knew they were evil i knew they were fucks and then you'll Matthew, if you were to make another big studio produced film, I imagine the challenges of working with large studios like that are daunting. That's not really a question.

I had a great studio experience on chips. I thought it was great. And to have like the infrastructure that exists there, I just remember like day one on chips going like, oh my God, if I had had this shit on hit and run, I mean, man, does it make it easy? A fucking Porsche Cayenne with a Russian arm on top

and best driver in the world driving and the fucking guy who shot all of the fucking bad boys action sequences as my DP. Are you kidding? Like this, boy, this makes it easier. You said something awesome like in our last interview. You said something because, you know, we're talking about it and you're like, well, you know,

chips didn't have a big box office success or whatever. And you go, but if I went back to that, I don't know, that 13 year old kid and Michigan or Detroit and said, hey, little Dax. hey would you want to be in a big movie I want to be a movie star I want to be in a big motion picture and you get to direct it

and ride motorcycles the whole time yeah well that kid wouldn't go well does it make a lot of money is it become a huge how much did it make is it a huge success I mean that's what we lose I think that was the most profound thing I've heard you say or one of them because that just puts everything

in a brand new perspective like do it because you love it and if it has success great it's hard to differentiate those things yeah really is I mean you look you can't be naive. Like, the success of those things determines whether or not you'll get to do it again. So it is relevant. But yes, as a life experience, whether that thing, the life experience was a life experience. Now, it could have made 500 million or in its case, it made 28 million or whatever. The experience was the experience. The other thing was just the results of which I don't

control. Right. It really sucks if you had a shitty experience and it bombed. But if you had a great experience in a bomb it's not that bad or a great experience and it had oh my god but yeah i got you claudine or i always wonder i always wonder because this is the thing i i did think about like say the devil comes down and he says now you could either love the movie you made and it makes 28 million or you could totally have missed the mark of what you were trying to make but it's a huge success i don't think i would choose the latter i don't think i would want to have not made the movie i set out to to get the reward of it you know well Well, the only thing I would say there is if the movie made so much money that then you're given another opportunity to do what you want again and make it better.

But wouldn't you be so fear-laden because you're like, well, the thing I made last time didn't even turn out to what I tried to make. So if I try to get, I can't get that lucky twice. I just wanted to survive. I just didn't want to die during the making of my movie. That's all I remember praying to God and day like 15. I go, hey, if you just get me out of this, I don't, I'll never direct again. just uh i remember sitting in the back seat i've told this story of tom and denine who you know my best friends they're taking you the hospital right well no i didn't but we're driving and it's like

five in the morning six in the morning and i'm in the back seat and denean's like old chipper going so many way blah blah it's going to be a great day blah blah and i'm like uh-huh and i'm in the back seat in the middle and i just go i think i need to go to go the hospital and i think i need to go the hospital and then she goes it's going to be a great day she didn't look at me but if she would have turned around we would have gone to the hospital claudine a question for dax well

I would hope so what's something he's learned about himself since becoming a dad hmm that's a good one I want to give a good I want to like there's some things that are popping up but I think life lesson wise

you know you know I know what it is. I think most of my life I've had the agenda to get my way. And I've been trying to be more clever and more tactful or tactical and getting my way. And when you have kids, especially if you have two, you know, our first one was so fucking easy. The way I would naturally parent was yielding results. I thought we were geniuses that we should write a book about it. And then we had another kid and just the opposite things worked for that kid.

But I spent a few years being stubborn and trying to parent her the same way as our firstborn. And all of a sudden I just had this terrible realization. I was like, oh, I think I wrote my own father off at about five years old. I was like, okay, it's your way or the highway? I picked the highway, motherfucker. And I just had this moment. I was like, oh, they could pick the highway. Like I could I could get my I could win and lose so big and I got a I got to flip this thing.

Wow. So I just think having the experience of like prioritizing what you should prop what I should have always prioritized in life, which is like well there's another human involved and maybe I need to care as much about them getting what they want out of this experience. Todd everyone geeks out on something. I can answer this. What do you geek out on besides cars and motorcycle? and motorcycles and your kids or your wife.

What do you geek out on? Not Michael McDonald's. You can't say that either. There's a dark one. Kristen hates this. I'm obsessed. They're largely criminals. I'm obsessed with people who through a force of will did something impossible.

My prime example of it is Pablo Escobar. He is a poor kid living on the streets of Medellin. He has no. shot at becoming the eighth richest man in the world that that's off the table he didn't invent Microsoft and just through his own will he's like no I'm going to become the eighth richest man in the world I'm a I'm somehow a I'm obsessed with these stories where people just and they're often delusional and through that delusion and their their force of will they they do something impossible I find that endlessly interesting Emily asked you like that stuff do you like criminal

shit? Yeah, I watch a lot of Dateline. I know we both love, what's his name? It was an October morning. Keith Morrison. December Oh, October is whatever. Yeah, that guy. It was a hot red moon under a nice cold night. And his, dude, he's

hilarious. And what's his name? Hater, who does him on SNL, used to do him. Oh, so good. He's hard to do. I can't even get close to him. You had him on your show, too. Oh, Todd. And he's so beautifully Canadian. He just, he kept going, and it feels so self-indulgent. to talk about myself.

I don't know why I want to do this. I'm like, but people want to know about you. Why do I want to do this? Emily, who's your favorite guest to interview to interview an armchair expert? I have to give a couple answers.

One, obviously my mother is my favorite interview by far. But if we take out that obvious advantage she has, I think dog, the bounty hunter maybe. Wow. Monica Lewinsky. All right. Just like when you,

you get something so unexpected like i could have i could have held dwayne in my arms after the interview for about an hour and a half i think before it would have felt awkward i just wanted i was so shocked with what a beautiful guy he was what a sweetheart it was so lovely angel two more questions since you guys have been friends for a long time share a funny dach's rosy story what what story do you think of that we could actually tell well look when you and i met when we were younger and we're both insecure about how we look, but we both like our penises a lot. So you and I

constantly had those swords out all over town. You know, when I look back on it, we're pretty lucky. Times of change, we wouldn't do that now. But we lived in maybe the last era where you could get that sword out a lot. Yeah, and I don't, you know, and we did. And I really, it never was creepier

weird. I mean, it's weird to just do it in general. But no, what I'm saying is we weren't going doing things like, it was just two like little boys going, hey, check this out, Dex. Hey, check out my cap. Hey, check it. It was just like, we didn't.

My cap. Look, yeah, it was a long time ago. And, uh, yeah. But I think to have known Rosenbaum and I in that, that era is to have seen us with our pants down. I think. Probably. That could have. Yeah.

That could have happened. Bob. Idiocracy. In your opinion, are we already there? Uh, no, you know, I, um, no, you know, I, um, Stephen Pinker, he's a, he's a genius. He's written a lot of books. His most recent one is about the Enlightenment, like maybe pursuing the ideals of the Enlightenment. I am of the opinion that although in the present day, sometimes it looks

like we're going backwards, I think if you look at the long arc, this human experience, we're getting better and better and better, less and less people starve. I think it's good. But I think in the short term, it sometimes looks discouraging, but I think it's a really new experiment. And I think we're doing a good job at getting better and better. This has been awesome. I wanted to end this. Actually, I wanted to start this with just... Do we pull our dongs out for each other on Zoom?

That was 20 years ago. We shouldn't do that anymore. But I will say, you know, occasionally when my friend Rob or somebody comes over, you know, they might just be like, hey, Rob, do you want him to drink? And they'll turn around. I'm like, I'm naked. just a, just a, just a, just a, just a little nostalgia. Because, come on, dude, it's just harmless. It's a dong.

We're naked. Well, you and I find, look, here's where I should say this because it is relevant. You and I find that really funny. We both enjoy it. And we have the privilege of finding it funny. What I've realized over time is like, yeah, of course that's funny because I'm a tall white dude and I don't feel threatened a lot by penises. So it's a privilege that I can find it humorous. If I were a woman, it wouldn't be so funny. And if I were, you know, any number of people,

I'm the most empowered someone could be in our society. So yeah, I think a lot of things are funny that are scary to other people. Sure. But I think that, you know, if I recall, I just remember it was usually you and I or other guys around for the most part. You know what I mean? you had this, I've had this experience on a set where it's like you're nude with an actress and I'm trapped in my own experience and I'm kind of like, oh, no big deal. I'm nude. But then I have to, you know, I have to recognize, well, yeah, 85% of the crew is dudes. No one's going to go home and jerk off thinking about me.

No one's going to, you know, there's all these creepy, I'm not dealing with the same thing that the actress is. Right. Absolutely. It's different. I hear you. And it's just, it's just being a, it's just being a, it's being aware and going okay i'm not this person i'm not i don't feel threatened you're right i remember

one time on smallville it was one of the finales of the season and they had me up on the in the in the fun up at whistler in the middle of nowhere but we're staying at this hotel and everybody got the change there you know just go a big like a big suite and i walked in and one of the crew guys is there and i'm like hey i'm going to take showers anybody else here he's like oh barry barry's uh you know he's in the shower and i go oh perfect he's like this, you know, at that time he's 25 years older. He's an older guy. And I love Barry. He's my buddy. So the first

thing I thought I was like, I got to do something. Sure, sure. So I took off all my clothes and I waited until he was lathered up, really good. And he was an Irish fellow. And I remember just going in there, I go, could you pass the Irish

spring there, Barry? And he's like, Jesus Christ, Rosenbaum! What the fuck? And then he started laughing. And then he, you know we both told the whole crew and everybody it just went on forever and it was just like you can't do that anymore but of course my whole thought was like how do i make people laugh how do i be funny right that it was always out of a place of that it was never out of a place to we're like hey i want someone to see my d yeah uh i was gonna end this we talk about this i have

i got autographs you know that i have a house full of like posters and things you've never been we've you could listen to the last conversation you say it's a waste yeah so i did something i want to show it to you but um you know one of my favorite movies is the warriors the gang movie absolutely right so for warriors come out and playing warriors are good real good the best but the rest is ours anyway cyrus you see which what does he say is like they're 20 thousand cops in this city can you dig it can you do you dig it i loved it love it love it so we got the bayside Rollers sitting next to the fan, I forget the names of the Jay's.

Yeah. So I'm a huge fan. Obviously, you are too. A lot of people are. Walter Hill. Walter Hill. I'm trying to get him on the podcast. Sure.

My buddy's friends with him. I just love to talk to. He's probably going on another guy who wants to talk about the Warriors. Great. But he did a lot of other great movies. Anyway, so I'm not kidding. Since the late 90s, I've been

looking for an original Warriors vest, something that was worn by the Warriors. And it was impossible. The brown leather. Right. Yeah. I think yeah and I had looked and I gave up because I was like I heard that someone had one but the cast never really kept the originals and they were locked away and there was only this

they had some doubles so I was telling my friend and I just said man I'll tell you if a warrior's vest ever comes up I will I'll pay two grand for that thing and I go you know what fuck it and I looked on my phone and on eBay original warriors vest worn by David Harris who played cochees, the one with the big bandana, black guy, awesome. Yeah, yeah. You'll know him, how do you see him?

And it had a picture of him. It was authentic. And I just said, are you kidding me? And I just messaged the guy back and I go, I'll give you a thousand. I wasn't going to go over the two. I would have paid two,

but he's, you know, I just let's get it for a grand. Let's see what he says. He goes, sure, I'll take a thousand. That sounds like a bargain. Oh, dude. Now, this is the, the first piece of memorabilia you own that I'm thrilled with. Really?

Oh, that is, Nate Tuck would fucking cream his gene if he saw this. In fact, will you take a nice photograph of it and send it to me so I can send it to Nate? Oh, yeah. You should actually look on my Instagram. I posted a video of me wearing the vest. Does it fit well? Oh, yeah.

It fits really. I got to work out a little more. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. The Warriors were in shape for the most part. Do you remember that the game, though? There were a couple of them that you're like, this guy couldn't be. eat the shit out of a piece of shit.

Well, you know, it's so interesting what our memories of things are versus like, do you remember in Urban Cowboy, great film? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the antagonist. I forget that guy's name. Glenn, wasn't it, Scott Glenn? Scott Glenn. Now, I was telling Kristen about Scott Glenn's biceps in that movie.

And in my mind, in my memory, they're fucking enormous. Like, I never saw biceps like that. I look on, I look, you know, Google images, and they're nice, man. They're nice biceps. But they're not what you thought. He's caught and he has a really nice vein. But they're not at all what I thought. And in the bar has raised so much, you know, with these superhero movies and everything.

You now realize like, oh, they were pretty average looking guys that I was crazy for. Oh, yeah. Well, that's like with anything. I think I just watched. I love Gremlins as a kid. And I put it on. And within 20 minutes, I go. Can we turn this off guys?

Like, no, no, what are you talking about? I'm like, this doesn't hold up at all. What a piece of shit. Interesting. I still watch it every Christmas. I like it. It was just so, I couldn't, I can't get into it. You couldn't do it.

Yeah. As much as I like horror after Friday the 13th one or Halloween one, I'm out. Can't do it. There's nothing scary about a guy who can't be killed. He just can't be killed. At least there's like, it's just like everyone's going to die. But if you could, if you could stop the paranormal thing, or you could stop the zombies or you could stop something there's fear and you know at the end they

could still win yeah that's my logic you have a real emotional attachment to horror yeah I love it do you uh almost none it never it was a genre that never really appealed to me I can name the five horror movies I've ever liked let me guess the thing the shining I don't know oh shiny is great exorcist nah what is it uh Freddie Krueger uh Nightmare on Elm Street. Love that one. Love Get Out. And that might be it.

Wow. You know, one day when it's all over, I'd love to, I want to hang out, but it wouldn't be bad that, like, I want to try and scare you with the movie that I think is the scariest movie, or one of the scariest movies and see how you feel watching it, just sitting back with me. You know, that's just the thing. I don't, I just don't get scared. Anytime maybe that I would maybe be going down that road, I remind myself that it's a

movie, which is terrible. wish I could just enjoy it. But I've never been able to get terrified by a movie. All right. Leave me with this. Leave me with a little Michael McDonald for me. Now I know what love in you cause, babe. Now we're up to talk in divorce.

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We get annoyed with each other because I definitely feel like sometimes he's a, you know, he could sort of be that therapy. He's been through so much therapy. I've been through therapy. But he'll point things out. I mean, I go, I know this about myself. You don't have to tell me. And that's not what, and I get defensive.

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