Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - DEE WALLACE: Filming Cujo, Heartbreaking Peter Jackson Story, Loving Yourself & Embracing Naivety

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

Dee Wallace (Cujo, E.T.) joins us this week and shares her passion for teaching life, creation, and manifestation while taking us through the heartbreaking loss that triggered transformation. Dee defends the impact that horror films can have on children while sharing awesome stories from her time filming Cujo, The Hills Have Eyes, and other classics. We also talk about her experience shooting with Steven Spielberg, the idea of controlling your own energy, and trying to keep up with Dudley Moore. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🐮 Moinkbox: https://moinkbox.com/ __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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responsibly you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum great guest today yeah i say that every time but i really enjoy all the interviews and i'm very attentive i listen i like putting on these headphones and getting caught up in someone else's world and also selfishly seeing if they're their world their ideas ideologies their uh principles their uh the things they do to make themselves feel better. I like to steal from them. Yeah. Yeah.

Dee Wallace, you know, are from many things. You've seen her in many things. The mom and E.T. and Kujo and she's worked a ton. But, boy, this could be one of the most emotional episodes, the most raw, real. She breaks down talking about her ex-husband, who passed away, unexpectedly. many years ago and it's like it happened yesterday when she when she thinks about it and uh she helps people you can talk to her for advice for um therapy i guess you'll listen to the podcast and you'll you'll you'll you'll you'll learn a lot and you'll decide if you want to do that which i would

recommend because she's amazing uh the handles to listen to the podcast as you know it really helps if you listen and you follow us and you write a review all that stuff is monumental for the podcast ryan at inside of you pod on twitter inside of your podcast on instagram and facebook yeah that is true and uh if you want to join patreon to uh help the podcast more the folks over at patreon are really helping patreon.com slash inside of you become a member there's so many perks you get shoutouts at the end of every episode and tons of great stuff and uh i'm on the cameo uh you know what else the band sunspin you know for all my information go to the michael rosenbaum and go link tree and you can just hit everything and just you know you can go to the inside of you online

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mission. My friend Shira asked for Shira. I want to rescue an animal. So many animals need rescuing. And yeah, we'll be July 15th. We'll be in Montreal, the threesome, smallbo threesome, doing a small vote nights, get your tickets now and all that stuff. That's pretty much it. Ryan, is everything going well in your world? Yeah, I was just remembering this episode, actually. It was, I remember being kind of therapeutic for both of us. Yeah. Yeah, it was really fascinating. Yeah. I felt the same way. I hope that people love it as much as I did. Sometimes you see a name, you're like, oh, I might not know D. Wallace or Michael Rosenbaum, but you know, here's the deal. Listen, because you're going to learn a lot and I think it will affect you. I think you'll be glad you listened. So this is one of my favorites. This is certainly one of my favorites. Let's get into the wonderful, beautiful D. Wallace. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

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it's just self-indulged maybe no it's just part of my history you know yeah do you have a uh an et autograph poster from the cast on your wall somewhere no see i how how do you not have that i don't know how i don't have you never thought of that stuff when you were doing movies no you know back in the days back in the olden days by the way you look unbelievable I'm not just saying that I'm thank you it's not like what were you you said to me

when I it's all me too I haven't had any work time are you serious I am serious D he's acting now no no I swear listen I don't want to I don't want to look someone I know that I'm very close with is in their late 70s, and you look like 20 years younger than them.

Come home with me, little boy, will you? I'm not that young. How old do you think I am? Oh, I don't. I'm so bad at that. I'm 50. Well, I would have said 40s. You would have said 49.

No, I would have said 40ish. Okay, 40ish is good. So whatever's good. Don't you think that I've said this before, but when you're in your 40s, you're like, oh, I wish I was 30 again. when you're in 50s you wish you were 40 again and you know what we were playing this game at dinner last night my daughter had this thing on her phone asking questions would you rather stop time now and pause go on pause or rewind and I said I'd pause I've never I've never

been happier and more fulfilled than I am right now. Well, thanks for the interview. This has been great. That's a lot to say. No, it's, it's hard to understand, hard to, because I'm, you know, we're all trying to find that. We're all trying to find that balance. We're all trying to find that, that sort of, that let go. This is who I am.

This is what I love. I'm happy. I'm content. I'm whatever. That's the challenge is everybody's looking for it out there to find it. And it's here. It is. And you write about these.

I had no idea. You have three self-help books. You've done a TED talk. You do meditation. You do private healing sessions with Dee on your website. For 40 years. What is it? I am d-wallis.com.

How could you not want to hear this voice? Seriously, but that's a beautiful thing. Ryan, don't you wish you could feel like that? And maybe that's our goal. We want to just keep working on ourselves. We go to therapy. Well, you always work on yourself. Yeah. You know, I mean, somebody called into my talk show once and said, Dee, I just want to know when I'll be there. And my channel said, there's no there to get to. It's just a constant state of experience. expansion and understanding of energy. Now, let's go back because you grew up in Kansas City. Kansas City, Kansas. Yeah. And when it all started there, because do you have a good childhood? No.

Neither did. Yes. I had a dichotomy of a childhood. Very strong mother, very talented mother. She was an actress in local theater. She worked as a secretary, but she was a beautiful, beautiful actress. Directed all the religious plays at our church. I started out as baby Jesus and ended up as the Virgin Mary.

And then I went to Hollywood. And then you became the devil. Yeah, and then I did all those horror films. And my father was a damaged creative from the war. He was such a creative. But after the war, my mom said he was just never the same. He worked in the Red Cross and picked up bodies on the field. And when he came back, he became a severe alcoholic.

And ended up committing suicide. Really? And my little brother followed the same pattern three years ago. Oh, my Lord. So there was so much love and so much your incredible, Deanna, and you can do anything. And then this dichotomy of, am I okay? What's going to happen? I've got to be vigilant, you know.

Was he an angry alcoholic? At times, yeah. Yeah, at night. I never saw him hit my mother, but he verbally abused her and berated her and yelled at her every night of my life that I can remember. And she stayed with him. Yeah. Because do you think she just knew where it was coming from? Because she knew he was a good person.

Deep down. It still affects you. I could see that. Yeah, it does. It does. It's unbelievable how our childhood, no matter what we do, how much we work on it, yeah. It just, there's parts of it that you just have.

Let me tell you, your little kid is running the show. So the more you can mine everything that you were taught or everything that was modeled to you in front of you, from zero to eight years old, you will see every wall that you're hitting as an adult. Do you know our brains from the way we see ourselves, see ourselves in the world, and how we see the world looking at us,

totally in place by eight years old? This hits me home. You have no idea how much, Brian, you know. I mean, I always talk about the developmental stages from that time period. Like, I would say, I would say kind of like around 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, that time period. Because what happens is true or false, based in reality or not, you create your belief systems. And then from those belief systems, because as you believe it's delivered to you, from those belief systems, we create our life. And then we go, well, yeah, but that's the way life is.

That's the reality of my life. And it's the reality of our lives because we believed those things that were instilled in us before we had reasoning. to work through them you're saying in my interpretation this is how my mind works you're saying that as a child when I I never felt I was loved ever I just didn't I didn't feel that from my parents they never told me I love you I'm proud of you I'm you know I just never heard that I never it was just I didn't I never felt that so I see in my life today it's hard to allow people to love me because I think... No, no, no.

No, it's not that they don't love me. Hold on. Okay, well... You can't feel anybody's love if you don't love yourself first. I guess that's it. And we're never taught to love ourselves. None of us are... We're taught that it's braggadicious and it's...

You know, God's not going to love us if we're too full of ourselves. And people will judge us if we think we're awesome. And so we're taught to put ourselves down. And so our little child within us now is going, I'm going to keep you safe. Don't get too big. That's my job. I'm going to keep you safe. And it's our job as it's our job to be the parents of our little.

little child now and retrain them into a greater truth of how awesome and loved and loving we are. Yes, but it's very difficult when the people who created you, you don't feel like you're worthy or you're good enough. Yes, but it is a hard thing. And I've worked on that for many years. It's not up to them anymore. That's true. That's true.

As long as you keep bringing them into the equation, you will never move on. Yeah. They, look, according to my channel, we pick our parents. I've heard that before. And we pick our parents to learn, in most cases, what we don't want and what we want to recreate in our lives. so they taught you I don't feel loved so that you could choose now in this moment I choose to love myself so you know how much you love that dog when I walked in now's Blanche okay so just feel that in your heart just feel how much you love little

blanche it's funny because it makes me like right when you said that it kind of brings up like motions. Yeah. Now choose to give that to yourself. See, it really is easy, but we keep making it very... I think what happens is I think... Yeah, you think too much. I'm not a good person.

Like, I'm not the person I want to be. I sort of like envy certain people because I'm like, gosh, I wish I was that patient and that understanding or that... Well, who else is going to be? going to create that if you don't. But you see, you have to love yourself enough to choose to do that, to be that. This is already the most effective podcast. I have 230 guests. I'm already like, wow, you're speaking to a lot of people. A lot of the folks are going to write in and be blown away and follow D. Wallace. I've lived this. I know. I want to get into that because I

through my own trauma and my own heartache. And I just realized every moment is a choice. That's what happened then. In this moment right now, how do I want to create me? Did you, was there a time in your life that you remember specifically or times where you didn't love yourself, where you didn't feel complete? that you didn't understand the way you were flowing. Oh, yeah, last week. Last week.

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So something happened on a set a week or two ago, and I went into an old pattern of reaction and started taking everything personally. And let me give you one really simple statement. Whenever you're in reaction, you're out of creation. because you're out of choice. So I took myself to my dressing room and I looked in the mirror. When I do this, I always call myself Deanna Bowers.

That's my giving name. Right, right, right. Deanna Bowers, you're totally in reaction now. You're in the toilet and there's a lot of shit in that toilet and you're about ready to flush yourself down. So do you want to go down the toilet?

or do you want to get out of the shit and choose what you want to create here? By that time, I'm laughing, which allows me to regroup and write, discharge the reactionary thing. And so I got myself rebalanced and I went in and I handled it. Did someone yell at you? Was someone disrespectful, rude? well you see no and i perceived it that way uh sensitive something well i felt like they were not respecting my body of work and how much i knew as an actor do you think ego got in the way maybe no i i no i don't think it was ego um it was it was

was it's a pattern that has been repeated over and over and over in my life of people using me and disrespecting me. And so subconsciously what happens then is you're always on the lookout like I was when I was a little girl. It's everything okay. Is Daddy going to get too drunk? It's, you know, something going to happen. So I'm programmed and conditioned to look out and see those things instead of look out and see. And it's much more on the positive side now, you know. But every once in a while, this happens to me again.

And I get to go, oh, good, another opportunity to expand. You know, I saw something on Instagram because they always have these quotes and quotes of the day and people saying, I can help you and all this shit. And it's like, oh, my God. And I take screenshots and screenshots and they never look at them again. Because I'm thinking, yeah, I need to do that. But I don't do that. But there was something on there that said, if you have childhood trauma, you probably do this.

And it said every situation you think of something bad that's going to happen in that situation. And I go, child trauma. Yeah. I do. I'm telling you, the little kids are running the show. So my channel suggests that everybody writes down everything that you were verbally taught or modeled in front of you around whatever wall or subject you're needing to break through. But what if you believe, by the way, where's your channel where can they find this? D.Wallis.com?

I am D.Wallis. Dot com. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to start listening to this. Yeah. My pot, my, I call it, it's not a podcast. It's a radio show.

Right. And I'm going to call it. I'm almost 700 episodes. Please call it. Holy shit. And you can ask anything. You can ask about sex. You can't.

You know enough about sex? Look at me. What do you think? Have you had a lot of sex in your life? I don't know. You don't look like someone. I mean, you look like someone who's together. So I can't let maybe if I, but I don't, I don't look at you and go, God, she's had sex. A lot of it. Well, you're not looking very close like that. Oh my God. But we'll get into more of this. The sex stuff. We'll get into the sound right, didn't it. We'll get into more of this. We'll be right back. No. You know, it's hard. I'll just say this and maybe we'll talk about this more, but I want to get into some other stuff.

But it is hard and I'm working on it. What's hard is... Okay, stop right there. No, no, no, no, but you don't know what I was going to say. Yeah, but I have to stop you there. Okay. Because, all right, I have to explain this to everybody. Everything's energy.

We learned that in fifth grade, right? Right. There is no positive or negative energy. Energy is neutral. Energy must have a direction in order to take manifestation. For example, if you want ice, you have the intention of making ice. So you go, you get the ice tray, you fill it up, you put it in the refrigerator, you have ice. Freezer.

Freezer. Excuse the shit out of me. Okay. Yes, please. So you gave it. it, you gave yourself a direction and the energy followed through. You just, you keep saying how hard everything is. And if you keep saying how hard everything is, that is a direct direction to your energy

and your brain. See, my work is a combination of spirituality and brain science. So whatever you say, think, or feel, you're giving you. your picture, your brain pictures. So if you say what you don't want, which is what most people do, like I don't want to have to worry about money. What does your brain see? Worrying about money, which equals you don't have enough money. So I had to stop you at heart. I hear you. You know. But what if you believe some of the things that were... If you believe it, it's true. As you believe, Look, if people can just get that, they can change their whole life around.

Whatever you believe, you manifest into reality on this plane. We are the gods of us on this plane. Nobody can think a thought for us. Nobody can feel a feeling for us. Nobody can hold a belief for us that we don't accept. That makes us the God of us, right? So we have to be responsible for choosing the thoughts, the feelings, and the beliefs that match what we want to create. So now, what was hard, which is now easy?

What were you going to say? Nothing. I feel like you're a really smart teacher that I like, but I don't want to... Oh, come on. I'm such a nice broad. No, I like it. I just want to kind of, you are a nice broad. He said a lot of sex, apparently.

Look, Kansas City, what? Well, yeah, you know, just because I'm, we can get into sex. We can get into sex. You're an open book. Guess where I'm from? Where? Indiana, Southern Indiana.

Oh, see, I knew I liked you right away. Right. Evansville, you know, Newburgh, Indiana, Evansville, Indiana. Yeah, but I wouldn't move back there. That's funny you said that because I was thinking of moving back there. I couldn't move back to Kansas City. and I love Kansas. And I'm so proud of all the women who stood up in Kansas

and got the abortion thing done there. But the thinking is too limited for me now. The Midwest and the South is based in very strong religious roots. That's not what your head's at. well none of my work is against any religion right it's an expansion of the concept of what god is right so i don't use the word god much i use the word creative force right because people don't have any kind of negative hooks in the word creative force or energy but you say god and a lot of people, a lot of children inside us have negative reactions to that word.

All right. I got you. I understand that. I do understand it. Religion teaches us to be small. It teaches us we don't have any power. It teaches us we have to go through other people to be connected to the creative force that creates. none of those things are true i mean the big man actually said these miracles and more will you do also go do them you know and then the popes and the kings got together and said well how the hell are we going to have all the power if we let them know they have the creative power you're saying sort of don't become a slave to this you have to you have to take over the power you have to you have to we were given free will to create ourselves on this plane.

I like that. Okay, I'll shut up. I get up, my Baptist preacher comes out. No, I like it. It's very, look. And I'm telling you. Okay. You taught high school drama.

I did. You have an education degree. I did. You never thought you were going to be an actor, did you? Always. You always did, but you went. I've been acting since I was. as a little girl.

Were you, did you know you were good? Did your mom go, oh, my God, you have it? Yes. Did everyone else say you have it? I don't remember. But you still wanted to get a degree. I got a degree for my mom. What do you mean?

My mother said, okay, Dedy, be an actress, but just have something to fall back on, please. Because she had had such a hard life. Right. And she wanted to know that I was safe in the world that I could. So it just meant so much to her. My older brother, actually, my older brother went on and got a PhD. My older brother worked its way through seminary shooting pictures for Playboy. That kind of sums up the dichotomy of me and my family right there.

That's genius. Yeah. Oh, my God. So you loved, but you taught, you taught in school. I did. I taught one year. How old were the students? Ninth and 10th grade.

And how did, what do you remember from that? A lot of challenge. Look, back then, I would have to show my credentials to get lunch because they thought I was one of the kids. Really? I just always looked really young back then. But I'm a natural-born teacher. I love to teach. Obviously, you do.

I have taught all my life. I've had my own acting studio out here, actually, one of the largest ones for 18 years. I had my own dance studio in Kansas. I taught high school. And now I teach life and creation and manifestation. I just know how to communicate on a simple way that people can understand and relate to. Do you still love acting like you did?

Or is it just sort of like paycheck? No, it depends on the project. and the part. I have an incredible thing coming out right now called Paul T. Goldman. It's the guy's name that it's about. It's going to be out in January. It's a limited series. And I play the psychic in it, and they had no idea that I channeled when they hired me.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was real synchronicity. So you really used it. You really did it. Well, I mean, I had a scripted, you know, version of exactly what the psychic told him, which I'm telling you, you guys, if you watch this, you will sit there like I did and go, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Did this really happen? I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's beyond anything you can imagine and it's real. So, that's, Paul T. Goldman. Paul T. Goldman. Netflix? Um, uh, Peacock. Peacock. And then I am recurring also on, um, yeah, what the, what's, of that show that I did.

What is it? Um, oh my God. I've done so much work in the last three months. Anyway, we'll come back there. Wow, you do. You work a lot. This year has been amazing. But then I have no beliefs, you see, about older women actors not being able to work.

Well, let me tell you. I don't have any of those beliefs. But you have like, first of all, you're not old. But secondly, your mind is just sharp. You're sharper than my friends. who were in their 40s. Oh, aren't you, sweet? No, no, no, you're really, you're, she's not really sharp.

Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's like, you know, things like you, you go, one, you have this, two, you have this. You start naming things. I'd be like, all right, five things. One, fuck, what was that? What the fuck was that? You're like, you're just on point.

Anyway, listen, I want to go back to the, when you first, you know, your first big thing when you got, because you were acting, you're taking class, you were going to, you know, college. My first big thing. You taught for a year. Well, yes, I've got to tell you this story because it's so good. So we got the New York Times in the library of the school. And I'm reading it because I know I'm kind of hankering to go. And there's this article that they're looking for an unknown to star in a little night music. what became a little night music so i wrote this amazing letter and sent this cheesy picture i have to show you i'm on my bed no way no shit that's what i'm back in kansas i thought

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Mr. Prince has gotten your letter and your picture, and he'd like to fly you to New York to audition for a little night music. now this is how naive I was back then because I'm from Kansas so I said oh my gosh that's that's wonderful when does Mr. Prince need me and they gave me the date and I went oh my gosh that's the day I arrive I already have a ticket I'm already going what time does he need me five o'clock oh I get in it too that'll you know he would have flown me first class put me up the whole thing who knew i didn't you know and they're like okay so the day i arrived in new york city i took every belonging i had took it to a taxi cab said hi could you take all this stuff to this address please because i'm going

to go down to rockefeller center and audition for help prints and everything made it to the address Are you a kid? Did you give a guy a tip? Well, I didn't see him after he took it. Sure, I tipped him. I knew that much. That's the first thing I think. If you tipped him, right? Oh, my God. I give money to everybody. I mean, everybody. I know. I like that too. I feel like to me. I see somebody. You know. People work hard. Well, and people on the street, the homeless people, and people say to me, oh my God, they probably have,

you know, a three-bedroom house, and they're standing out there. But I always go back to Neil Donald Walsh's conversations with God. And there's this part in it where, and it made such an impact on me, where he says, you know, you're walking down the street and you see a homeless person, and you go, I should give him something. And you reach in your pockets and you have a nickel and a $5 bill. And you go, God, a nickel, the nickel's not enough. And five, geez, I don't, you know, I probably going to need that.

By that time, you've passed him, and it wasn't his moment, it was yours. It was your moment to go, yeah, I'm that abundant. And I'm telling you, I do that all the time, and it comes back to me ten times over, ten times over. And, you know, what I like about it, about giving. and it comes back to haunt me a lot of times because sometimes I give way too much and people take advantage that I just, we won't get into that. But I know that I like to give and I like to, I see someone, but it's not like, you know what? I'm doing a good thing and people look at it. No, no, it's, it's honestly, I feel it. I feel like I look at the person. I'm like, you know what,

this guy's struggling. I could do something. And maybe I could get him, a cup of coffee. I give him 20 bucks. I could say, hey, how's your day? Whatever it is. I do that. I do that with people like the counterperson at Burger King. I'm like, hey, they're like, how's going? And it's going. I'm like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I'll start talking to him. I'm like, oh, hey, you know, it's almost the weekend. And, you know, and I just try to be whatever and try to give them a little something, whatever. I just, I like to do that. And you never give at the expense of yourself. Right. I want people to hear that because a lot of us are brought up to think that we're better people if we give ourselves up for other people but what happens then

is you take the responsibility from that person of them creating themselves if you enable them too much right so that actually disempowers them what do you think of when she says that yes this is the best podcast. I think of my mother. I think of like I enable her and I give and I give and she goes, every text is like, oh, how would you decide about that job? What is you trying to get me in? Like, oh, blah, blah, I miss you so much.

I'm going to see you and blah, blah, blah. Oh, my God, I can't afford this thing. I don't know what I'm going to do. It's always manipulated. It's always, it's always a twist. It's just, it's been like that my whole life, especially since my parents got divorced, that has been like I feel like I say this with love who's allowing that me I know that's it my business manager says it Michael are you I go I'm not doing this anymore I's like either do it or

you don't I like your business man yeah do it or you don't I don't want to hear it you know do it or you don't well but he's right he can't make that decision for you yeah see you have to know that you can love her and do love her without doing that we're going to get into this i'm going to i am going to get into a well i like i want to i want us to be friends god sakes you're just like do you you should be a therapist she kind of is i kind of am yeah like i could buy a session from you for an hour well i do half hour sessions believe me that's all you need and i wait so you'll talk to me for half an hour for us yeah i'll actually i'll actually give you a session really i'll just gift

you one because you know i'll be hooked it all it all comes back to me i just want you to be able to take this into your life and take it out into your to your listeners so everybody everybody wants to be free yes and we're the only ones that can free ourselves let's go back to help prince that's the good news and the bad news you give the taxi guy okay okay okay so so i got down to the last five girls in the dancing and the acting and they say all right we mr prince would like to hear you sing and i oh i didn't know he had to sing his secretary looks up at me she says well dear it is a musical he said it's all right sweetheart sing happy birthday

and the accompany says what key and i went somewhere in the middle that's what i would have said that's what i would have said so the first day i auditioned for halprince and got down to the wire didn't get it but by the time i left because there were so many great you know performers that there. I knew where to go to study, who to study singing with. You know, I got, I got all that

damn boy. You know, and I'm telling you, my naivete has just taken me through my career. I'm a huge believer in naivete. I'm wholeheartedly. Yeah. I think it's the reason, like, I became successful too because they were like, oh my God, you're going to be, you know how the odds are becoming an actual. I'm like, not for me. I'm, I'm different. I mean, people wouldn't believe it. I remember this girl in college. Alexis Combs loved her. She was awesome.

We're sitting on the steps. It's right after I did this play. It's my senior year. And I go, Alexis, I don't want you to forget this moment. I'm not bullshitting you. I'm going to New York and I'm going to become famous. Remember this moment because I swear it's going to happen. There's no doubt in my mind.

It is going to happen. it was just like you said an energy it was like naivete it was all this shit and i and i think a lot of that was sort of like yeah i'm going for that tomorrow sure now i think overthink everything now i'm like i need four days to prepare for that okay okay but you so go back to the zero point of when you knew i i still know it's just yeah you do you do still know but you have to tell yourself you know. Yeah, that's true. Otherwise, you don't know.

I know. You talk about this ad nauseum, but if I don't bring it up, some of these things, people will just be like, well, first of all, we're getting the good things. When you got E.T. Well, first you got the howling. Well, first I got a religious film. What was that? All the King's Horses that I did with Grant Good Eve. And then I went right into the Hills have highs.

Again, the dichotomy of me. So dark, the hills have eyes. That was probably like, were you, was that, like, at that point, like, the hardest thing you've ever done? It's the only thing I'd ever done. Really? Come on. It was my first gig.

Were you nervous? Somebody asked me, he said, were you worried about how dark it was? Were you worried about what it would do to your career? Dude, who is my first, like, leading role? I'm going, shit, I got a part. You know, let's go. Yeah. I can't swear.

obviously yeah okay i obviously spielberg saw that and was like well and then um um um i did the howling and 10 with like edwards was in there dudley more yeah by the way dudley more is one of my favorite comedians one of my favorite tell me just tell me a story you haven't told that you remember of dudley's anything small big whatever it dudley and i danced on many tabletops in ago. Oh, God, Dee. You're fabulous. And I would go out with the crew and hang out with the crew.

And he was just so giving as an actor and so lovely as a person. I just loved him. And so there was a scene, which you'll probably remember, if you remember the movie 10. Bo Derek. And Dudley is playing the piano. Oh, yes. And so we did the scene and Blake, everybody's breaking down. We're moving on to the next thing.

And Dudley starts to play. And Dee is sitting there so moved by his playing that tears came to my eyes. And Blake stopped and he said, everybody come back. Bring everything back. We're going to get a close-up of D listening to Deadly Play. And it's this huge. And you know, that happens to me on every set with great directors. They see something happening and they're brewing.

On E.T. in the dinner table scene. Is that the yelling thing? Were you snapped? Or no, that was the laughing thing? Well, it's when he said the big dinner. or table scene where we are talking about maybe he just imagined it, right? And then it gets into, well, why don't you call your father? I can't. He's in Mexico with Sally, right? When he said that as Mary, I took such a hit and the tears, I could feel the tears coming up and I literally had the

thought as Mary, I can't let the kids see me cry. So I got up from the table and left, which was not in the script. And Stephen yells cut and he comes over and he goes, Dee, why did you get up and leave? That's, that's not in the script. And I explained to him what happened and he looked at me. He said, everybody come in. You got a half an hour. I need you to build me a wall with a running kitchen sink right there so he could take me over to the sink and then bring me back into that big close-up where I says he hates Mexico and it all just but that's a good director they see they see the moments you have to you remember that you don't if you don't you have to watch it I haven't seen the movie in many years and I immediately remember that moment

it only makes me emotional because I remember remember that moment. I remember, like, he hates that, like, trying to, oh, my gosh. Yeah. And every, every, every major, I mean, it happened with Peter Jackson all the time. Yeah. Oh, man. What a, what a lovely man, Peter Jackson is. Man. And so talented. Yes. Michael J. Fox. I mean, it would happen with Joe Dante and Louis. all the time. I remember in Kujo, do you remember that scene? I just saw it, and I didn't know I was, yes.

He starts saying, I want my daddy, I want, and I said, I'll get you your father, right? And then you start crying, you kind of go, I'll get to your father. Like, you're almost emotional, like, but you couldn't take it anymore. It was awesome. They came to me the next day and said, D, we need you to look at the d'is from yesterday. It's such a powerful scene, but we think we. we might cut it because we're afraid people won't like you.

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And I went to Dan, Blatt, our beloved producer, and I said, Dan, if you cut that scene, you're crazy. There's not a parent in the world that hasn't felt that moment. And they kept it in, and it was the most well-reviewed scene in the movie. that movie you know what's funny i swear to god i wouldn't i wouldn't bring it up if i didn't if i didn't mean it um i have horror movie nights every tuesday night with my friends it's the guys horror movie nights and we watch horror movies and i go oh you've seen a lot of me oh yeah oh yeah i go have you guys ever seen kujo and i'm like are you fucking kidding me you never seen kujo and they go yeah let's watch i go all right cool look i remember this movie being intense and i

loved it it may not hold up i don't know but let's watch it and everybody unanimous it was boy did it hold up yeah and it was you know why it was because of the acting you that little boy danny pentaro oh my god unbelievable thank god i got that kid for that role because it was just him and me and him and me i couldn't believe he was the things that he was doing like almost dead well and what was funny was because i'm you know it's why i play mothers i get very motherly with all these kids, and I said, okay, Danny, now tomorrow we're going to do the scene where you have to do the seizure. So do you want to rehearse it? Are you afraid of any? He says, oh, that happened to me when I was little. You want to see? And he goes right into it. And I went,

I so do not have to worry about this freaking kid at all. Really? Yeah. He was just an old. soul. How much did you hate being in that car? If I never see another Pinto again in my life, it will be too soon. How many days do you think you filmed in the Pinto? Oh, we were in the Pinto half of the shooting. Once you hit the halfway point, the rest of it in the Pinto. Yeah. And a lot of people think, you know, we were dying of the heat. We were actually really, really cold because it was in Northern California in November and December. My God. And they used, like, how many, they used the mechanical dog.

They used a bunch of different dogs. Okay. I read stuff, but I don't know if it's true. Okay. Yeah. There were 13 dogs that played Kujo, all trained to go after toys. St. Bernard's. Because you can't overwork a dog.

You can overwork an actor. And then they, treated me for exhaustion for three weeks after that film. But there were 13 dogs that played Kujo. Gary Morgan was our wonderful stuntman, and he didn't do that much in the movie. The real dogs did almost every shot. You know what's crazy about that movie? As much as you care for you guys, you really feel bad for the dog. Yeah. Like that dog is a mess. All the shit that they put on it and you just like especially if you're dog lover you saw these really oh my god yeah when kujo dies you're like it wasn't kuzha's fault he had he had rabies and it was like

his mind was gone and that's why we had to we had to really create so much terror and and horrible things that kujo had done in order to get to that last scene where he's coming to you through the door through the broken glass you know so the audience goes yeah shoot him because you have to do you have to do it right that's amazing it's amazing how that moment you have to have that moment you know in the book danny dies really and Stephen king oh yeah yeah i knew that yeah Stephen king um called dan blatt and said thank god you didn't kill the kid at the end you couldn't do that he never got more hate mail in his life than when he killed Danny at the end of Cooja.

Really? That's what he's, that's what I was told. Did you like Stephen King? I did. I only met him one day. He came down to the set at the beginning of shooting. Very, how would I describe what I remember as Stephen King is, a gentleman. A gentleman.

A very, yeah, soft-spoken gentleman. Did he look like someone who, look, you've got to have. demons to write shit that he writes no you don't think so no i do no i think he's creative but why is it always so dark there's something don't you think there's something going on if 95% of what you're right is really really dark shit what's what's what's i don't i i have mixed i have i have mixed emotions about that makes thinking about that right one of my clients called and said, Dee, I'm taking this other class. And the teacher said that anybody that is involved in horror films in any way is damaging their energy and their psyche. And I said, well, I'm telling

you that's bullshit. Because would you tell a little five-year-old girl who's playing a witch and a play? Oh, she's going to damage her psyche. Or the kid that's, says, I'm going to be the alligator and Peter Pan and come get everybody that he's, it's just bullshit. We're doing what we love. It's fantasy. We are doing what we love that makes us happy. I'm glad you said that because I look at the movies around you.

Evil Dead, Lost Boys, Jaws, you know, the thing, Nightmare in Elm Street, Dracula, Return of the Living Dead, Friday the 13th. I love horror movies and I start to think, is there something wrong with me? I don't think. You should Google. I want everybody. My mom made me watch horror movies with her from the time I was eight, just so, but go ahead. Oh.

Mm-hmm. Anyway, we will. Yeah. Google. That's what? No, let's unpack that. We're going to get into that in my therapy session. But go ahead.

Google positive effects of horror films. You will be stunned. Write that down so I remember it. It does positive things for your brain, for your, for your. nervous system. It helps you learn how to deal with trauma. So that's why every Disney film has a really scary character in it. You know, when we would watch The Little Mermaid, my daughter would go, Mommy, lady get big part. Lady get big part where Ursula gets big and, you know, she wanted to see that over and over again. So she could sit there in a safe place like we do when we go to a

theater and learn how to handle her fares. I mean, seriously, is there anything that you've seen in the theater that's worse than what's going on in our world? No. Yeah. Not close. Tell me about, I know it's probably not easy because I know you're an emotional person like I am. Oh, dear. But just like, I know you met your husband, who passed with Christopher Stone. Yeah. On chips.

You met him on chips. I met him on chips. We had both worked for this director and he called us and said, oh, my God, you guys, I have this. Will you please come in and help me? So we both did. And Christopher was very established after. Is he charming? No.

Okay. He was gorgeous, but he spent the whole week trying to direct me. Oh, you didn't like that. And so the last day, we had to ride back together in the same car. And he said, so, you know, what's some of your latest stuff? And I said, well, I just had this amazing episode on Lou Grant. And he went, oh, my God, that's you. you. You played the hooker. And I said, yeah. Did you see it? He said, not only did I see it. I ran into my wife at the time. He was

getting divorced. And I said, you've got to come look. This girl's going to be a big star. He said, oh my God, that's you. I literally changed before his very eyes. I'm not kidding from this girl who I better give her some direction to, holy shit, I'm working with that guy, that girl from the hooker episode of Blue Grant. So that was back in the days when we all had, what did we call them, the pagers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? And, you. And, you. You went through answering services who they were never supposed to give out your personal information. Right. Right.

Well, Christopher could get gold out of a monkey's butt. And so by the time I got home, there were two dozen roses sitting at my front door. He had not only gotten my address from them, he had gotten my phone number. And so about a half hour I got home. He called me and he said, did you get the flowers? I said, yes, that was very sweet of you. Thank you. He said, well, I'd like to take you to dinner.

Can you go to dinner Friday night? And I said, I'm sorry, I already have plans. I said, but I could go Saturday night. He said, oh, well, Saturday nights my standing thing with all my guys I'd play poker and I went he said what about Sunday and he said I'm sorry I plan on Sunday but you know call me in a couple of weeks he said no Saturday night I'll pick you up at seven and he did not let me out of his sight or his life after that you felt deep in the love oh my God like like that and it just never did you have any wrong

Rough times, I'm sure. Of course. Everybody has rough times. But you guys were in love until the end, right? Until the end. And that probably hit you like a fucking brick. Yeah, I mean, I was suddenly when he had a heart attack. I was doing the frighteners when he had the heart attack.

And so I flew back. They did his angioplasty. He came through it. He was going home the next day. He said, honey, you've got to fly back. They're holding filming for you. I'm fine. So I did.

Four days later, he got up, a blood clot hit his heart, and he died, and my little girl found him. Gabrielle found him. So I flew back to do his service, and then I picked up my kid and my nanny and flew. I was back, you know, it's halfway across the world, Australia or New Zealand. Oh, yeah. And I was back and forth four times in two and a half weeks. I didn't know whether I was coming or going. How did you even?

I don't know. I would have probably, I mean, I don't know what I would have done. You don't know him until you're in that situation. Peter said, D, we never expected you. They had figured out how to shoot around me and shoot from my back. Would you break down out of the blue constantly? Was it constant? Like you couldn't handle your emotions?

You know. Yeah, I know. No. I was taught by my mother watching how she handled all the stuff of my father you know I mean he tried to commit himself twice

tried to kill himself twice and finally succeeded behind a bar when I was a senior in high school and she was so strong and she just taught me you handle it

you handle what you handle and you get through what you have to get through so I got back there and I went to the set I had to shoot the scene where Michael J. Fox or I dropped dead and we go through the wormhole.

Yep. And I watched Michael, I watched Michael, and before he hit the floor, he turned into Chris. Wow. And afterwards, the. producer came to me and she said, Dee, I want you to go see my doctor so that she can make sure, you know, that you're emotionally okay. And I walked in and this lady looked at me and she said, oh my God, you know, they're very into alternative medicine. She said, you have no life force at all. I can't even work on you until I work on your life force. And this is, I had already

been kind of veering into the healing arts. But this, she laid me down on a table and she put gemstones on all my chakras. And I thought, well, it was pretty weird. I'm telling you in a half an hour, I felt like I was reborn. And then she gave me some homeopathic medicine. And there was somebody on the set that was supposed to give me three every three hours or whatever it was. And everybody, you know, just rallied around me and got me through that. took care of my daughter. She was only seven years old. And I remember she was there when I was practicing flying in the, you know, in the harness. And she said, oh, mommy, I want to fly like Peter Pan. And they

made her a little harness so she could go up in it. Michael would play four square with her. Oh, my gosh. And so at the end of the Frighteners, because they just, you know, this was four business class flights back and forth into an half weeks. And they said, don't worry, Dee, we'll take care of it. You can settle up at the end of the movie. Well, it would have been more, I think, than my whole salary. And I went in to pay it off. And sorry, the bookkeeper looked at me and she said, this is Peter's gift to you.

He's just going to absorb all of this. And that's the kind of guy, Peter Jackson. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Holy crap. That's beautiful. Yeah. It really is beautiful.

Sorry. No. Perflumped now. No, I love your emotion. I love your vulnerability. it just tells me everything about you, you know, that you're just, you're human. You really show your emotions and you, you've lived your life. You've lived.

You've gone through the lowest of lows and look at you. And this is what. Well, again, those were those moments. What am I going to do with this moment? I can stay a victim or I can be victorious over my own life. I choose B. I mean, wow You're getting a big hug for me after this

I hope so I mean it's gonna be big Because I'm coming on for you I'm telling you right now Holy crap Let's get into sex before you leave We're almost done I mean we're almost done

I mean I honestly I could talk to you I feel like I could talk to you forever This is it's weird Because I'm like Well I've written it all damn in the book born born giving birth to a new you it's literally the formula for manifesting everything in your life i love this and i brought you one you did yeah it's in my purse it is the book is called

born it is a book about directing energy knowing neutrality self actualization knowing you are the power claiming your desires an easy creation yeah look god created the world in seven days how hard could it be guys seriously you know this is what I want I know I create it I match it with love I ask the universe to partner with me it's really pretty simple you know it's funny what I just thought of what I have your assistant's email and I'm like I want to have her email I want a D's email her really can have a I won't D at I.D.Wallis.com. Everybody can have it.

Really? So anybody can email you? Yeah. So you go through thousands of emails? Yeah. She's D. I told you this story before we again filming. I'm a busy girl.

Healing acting, healing, acting, healing acting. Well, let's get real funny. Sex. Well, sex. Who's the most famous person you had sex with? Did you have sex with Dudley Moore? He's passed. Oh, God, no.

No. Okay. All right. Probably Christopher. Really? I'm trying to. Oh. I just thought of somebody.

I don't want to say. It was when I first got to New York. Is this a person alive? No, I don't think so. Okay. Well, who cares? No, I can't. I can't.

Is it a big star? He is a pretty big star. Yeah. But Christopher really is. Was it from one of the movies you worked on? No. Damn it! Now I can't kind of illuminate certain people.

No, no. You would never guess in a million years. All right. You tell me after, I won't ever mention it. I won't, it's not here. Never mind. This is called shit talking with Dee Wallace. It's rapid fire.

You answer fast. Oh, I hate this. You're going to have to do it. These are my top tier patrons. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you. They give to the podcast. They keep it going. Dana S.

With being an OG on the horror scene, do you get creeped out over anything? besides my fake spider in the spider in the bathroom. Oh, spiders and snakes and guns. I hate guns and I have to fucking use one in every movie I do. I hate guns. My dad killed himself with a gun. My brother killed himself with a gun. I don't see any use for guns in this world.

Amen. I'm with you. I'm with you. By the way, the spider quickly. you worked with the spiders on what the hills have eyes that big freaking tarantula and they said they don't they don't buy the oh yeah there's no they're not dangerous they can't hurt you and then afterwards they said well actually they candy but we milked it first they milk the spider yeah they de-poisonize yeah great huh great thanks sophie m what was the casting process for et

like actually they just offered me eti I had auditioned for Stephen for used cars. Oh, I love used cars. And I didn't fortunately get it. I know, but I loved it. You see this car right here? The price is $2,400. Too fucking high!

Slams it with a sledgehammer. Dude, it was, what's his name? Right there. Kurt Russell. Yeah. Oh, God, that movie's hilarious. I was destined to do E.T. Did they pay you out?

an ET? Yes. Because I held out really long time. Are you serious? Yes. Well, it's negotiations. You know, that's the way it goes. How much money do you think you've made in residuals on ET from 1982 to now? Not enough. But do you still get them? You still get them? Yes. Yes. And I feel blessed every single time a check comes in. Do you still talk to any of the cast members? Oh gosh, the boys and I are on tour all the time. Are you serious? We go to the cons all the time.

Do you think Henry would do this? I'm friends with Mike Flanagan, who's friends with him, who he's been in a lot of his projects. I should talk to Mike or you. Is he a good guy? Talk to Mike. Oh, Henry? Henry's fabulous.

He's wonderful. So is Robert. And so, you know, we did Drew an hour show. withdrew this year. Yeah, I saw that. That was amazing. Yeah, it was great. She did a really wonderful job with that show, I thought. By the who's made you laugh? Who was the funniest person you ever worked with that you always were like about to laugh? Dom Deloise. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. And it was, I had all these serious scenes. What movie? Oh, it was a movie of the week called Happy. And so I

I would get ready to do all these serious things and he'd look at me and go your mother's ass and he would just go off hysterically like I mean Dudley was pretty funny too

but Tom laugh this is the whole time Dudley more though to me you know that movie Arthur have you seen it Ryan please watch it Oh, my God, you haven't seen.

There's a scene when he brings a... He brings a prostitute to this fancy restaurant, and he sees his aunt and his uncle. And he goes, oh, Uncle Harry, Aunt Rue, whatever. That's pretty good. This is Princess Gloria. And she goes, she goes, princess, yes. She comes from a very small country in the West Indies.

It's so small they recently have the whole country carpeted. I'm talking small. And it's like, it goes on, it goes, it's so small, a taxi cab around, I was just five minutes long across the country. It's so small. And he goes, Arthur, we realize it's small. He was, I just spent the whole time trying to keep up with Deadly. Oh, you're a prostitute?

You know. I was doing so good with you. I love that. I love that fucker. Okay. Kelly asks, any funny stories about working with Spielberg you can share with us? Funny stories. Was he a serious guy? Did he laugh a lot?

Oh, no. He's like very childlike on the set, especially with the kids. I mean, he just loves what he does, you know? He would shoot pinball with the kids and all that stuff. But I wouldn't describe Stephen as funny. I would describe him as childlike genius wonder. Did he come up with stuff on sets or like little things that you go, holy shit, this guy's freaking unreal. Like I'll just say, you know, try doing this way.

He literally gave me about three directions. That's it. You went on your own. Those laughs with you when you start laughing. Like that? That was all. that was all that penis breath

that was all just what happened to me in that moment I'm not kidding around I was in love with you when I was young like I was in love with you

I heard that a lot I'm not well no they're not lying you got to go back and watch you were so charming it was the Halloween dress you're the mom everybody wanted

yeah I was a milf oh my God you're a milf I was now you're a gilf And I unfortunately know what that means. Do you do? Yes.

Roj, is there a moment that stands out where you felt you had made it as an actor? Yes. And you know, you're going to be surprised, but I believe it was after I saw the screening of the hooker in Lou Grant. And I looked at that and I went. Yeah, I've got it You knew Yeah, I knew

As far as making it As far as people knowing my name Probably 10 Unbelievable Do you like watching yourself I don't Not like watching myself I don't watch myself a lot

I like watching myself with with my kid you know and letting her see some of the and now my my granddaughter showing her you know some of the older things that I did and some of my series stuff my my daughter really never saw so I really enjoy that but I I have to tell you you know Christopher would look at stuff he did and go, okay, I won't do that again. Yeah, that was pretty good. I can't do that.

I just watch. And I am proud to say that when I watch me, I always think I'm very truthful. And that's the end all and be all for me. This has been an absolute joy, an absolute, like, un... It has. Oh, my God. Did you really like this? I've had so much fun.

You know what? I'm not kidding. Like, I doubt, I want you back. We never got to sex, though. Are you a very sexual person? Very. Very. Like, you love having sex.

I love having sex. Even, like, I'm not saying you're old, but even at 73 years old, when people think, oh, they stop, when they're 70s, they're 80, they stop having sex. People don't have sex. They just live together. So that's bullshit, right? In my house it is. Really?

Hey, you created the way you want it, dude. Do you have to have sex every week? No. Every couple weeks? That's nice. Yeah. Do you always, are you someone who initiates? Sometimes?

Sure. Doesn't it turn you on when your partner initiates? I would say that's true. Hey, if I want to create something, I create it. I don't wait for somebody else to create it. I love that. When you, when after Christopher passed, how long did it take before you started dating again? A long time.

A long time. Yeah. Like you just couldn't do it. I didn't want to do it. You know, I wanted to be with my little girl and help her get through that. And then one day she looked at me and she said, mommy, I need a daddy. Oh my gosh. She's just said that.

Yeah. And I said, okay, I'll get on that. How old was she? She was probably nine. And you started dating immediately? Yeah, well, I mean, yeah. And I married a wonderful, wonderful man, Skip Ballet, who we were married for 13 years. And he was an amazing stuff.

And he passed? No, he's not passed. He's not. We just went our separate ways, but we're very good friends. That's beautiful. And he was a beautiful stepfather. And Gabby, you know how she handled it? She would say, she would never say daddy.

She would say Daddy Chris or Daddy Skip. I said, remember when Daddy Chris would, blah, blah, blah. And I talked to Daddy Skip today. You know, wow. You know, it's obvious that Chris was your true love in your life. That's, I just, it's a parent. Chris was my soulmate. He was your soulmate.

Yeah. And you were married for 20 years? 18 years. Before he passed. Yeah. Well. But he's with me. Yeah.

He's probably laughing. over there in the corner now. He had such a six sense of humor. Even a Cooja, you could tell what a character he was. He could be intense. He could be this. He could be that. Oh, yeah. It's so funny because he always played the bad guys. And he wasn't like that. And he was the softest teddy bear you could ever meet. This big burly marine, you know.

I love it. Teddy bear. The book is Born. You have to get her book on directing energy and so many other things. You can go to D. Wallace.com. Or Amazon. You can hear meditations. You could book her for a half an hour. I am doing it.

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God. You had to end with that. You guys don't know. We opened. with that too before we were joking around oh my god i love you i love you i mean we have some i mean oh god you're just a you're just a treat all right we'll close it on that thank you this is probably the longest podcast i've done love yourself guys that's my last my final words what do i say love yourself love yourself and love yourself you know it's funny that's what i say at the

my last words on every podcast i say love yourself oh wait do i do that or be good to yourself be good to yourself. Well, you can't be good to yourself if you don't love yourself. That's right, baby. What was that one thing? Everyone, all right, I love you. I love you too. Thanks for allowing me to be inside of you today. You bet. Okay. Awesome. You know, it's funny as I love that I said, these nuts. Good. Has anybody ever say that to you? She went with it. She went with it. She's game. She's gay, man. What a joy she is. She's just much fun. I want to hang out with her. Yeah. I texted her. So she'd get lunch. She didn't respond.

Oh. Well, she doesn't want to hang out with you then. Maybe not. People say they want to hang with me on the podcast. They have so much fun and they leave and they just forget me. This older woman does not want to hang out with you. What a bummer. Now she's going to call. Michael, that's not true. That's true, T. Thanks for listening. If you didn't listen to all the stuff in the beginning, you might want to rewind and listen to the intro. There's a lot of great information. there on the podcast and the band and all that stuff if you want to zoom me zoom me and welling patron.com slash inside of you to become a patron uh we need you we love you and

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