Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - DERMOT MULRONEY: Manifesting Yo-Yo Ma, Protecting Drew Barrymore & Being a Mouthy Cellist

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Dermot Mulroney (My Best Friend's Wedding, The Wedding Date) joins us this week to share remarkable stories (on and off set) throughout his career and how he uses them as mental health check ins for gratitude in everything he’s been able to accomplis. Dermot also talks about his experience as a cellist, being able to work scores in both the Star Trek and Star Wars universes, and how he’s chasing the golden goose of working with Yo-Yo Ma. We also briefly talk about old stories of protecting Drew Barrymore, his big start with Julia Roberts, and how he turned a corner after his divorce and sobriety. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Rosenbaum and Ryan Teus, of course, is here in the studio. with us. Yes. If you're a Dermit Mulroney fan, you're in for a treat. This guy's awesome. I love him. He's been over the house for parties that I've had. I love his wife. Just a fun guy to be around, always laughing, always smiling, which means he's in a lot of pain. No, just a great guy. And he's been around. He's done this for so long and he works consistently because I think people, not only is he talented, but people like working with him. Yeah. You know, my best friend's wedding you remember he was in one of the screams young guns ruthless that was just out recently lights out he's he's always doing stuff and he's stretching himself and uh i like

seeing that um he loves working and people again love working with him so he's on the show today um just so you know uh the live podcast for talkville to pretty much sold out shows wednesday may 21st is sold out. May 22nd is sold out. May 21st, I think there's like five tickets left. It might already be sold out. Wow. So both shows sold out. If you haven't gotten a ticket, get a ticket to that. It's going to be pretty amazing. We're doing a small little nights. You'll be there. Yes, you're on the VIP list. Don't worry, Ryan. I would hope so. Yes. I mean, of course. Why wouldn't you be? I don't know. You're a very integral part of the show. That's what it stands for. What? VIP. very important person very integral part very integral part also that yes and uh look if you want to

get tickets there's my dog my dog's coming in here hi charlie hi charlie um the smallville podcast or smallville show we're doing a con a smallville con the first smallville con creation is doing it they do a lot of the supernatural cons but we're doing it in october so go on my link tree on my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum. And it's on the link tree along with a lot of other things. Like if you want your dog's breath to smell good. Rosie's puppy fresh breath. There's Charlie. His breath's always great. So get some Rosie's puppy fresh breath. It's on Amazon. And, you know, my book is, I didn't even know this, but it's out on pre-order. It doesn't come out till October, but it's the talented tharder. It's a sound book. It's charming. It's just awesome. It's a,

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get their name shouted out in every episode and tons more and thanks for coming to the sunspin my band sun spin we had a concert live virtually we're doing those once a month and it was terrific a lot of people showed up we were shouting out to people we saw their messages zooms and thank you for coming out but patreon.com slash inside of you if you want to join patron support the podcast keep it going without you i couldn't do this and um Ryan how's your health I'm fine yeah my I'm a okay. You know, I had therapy the other day, and I didn't want to do it. I was anxious.

And he was like, and it was about 25 minutes in. And all of a sudden, this calm came over me. He's like, I noticed a change in you. Huh. I go, what do you mean? He goes, I don't know, you seemed very all over the place in the first 25 minutes. And then I go, yeah, that always happens where I start to calm down as I'm getting things out of my system. Yeah.

I'm just getting stuff out of my system. And it's, it's helped me for a long time. Better help. it is it is an amazing thing so you're doing all right though yeah considering yeah I'm doing okay

busy busy yeah busy trying to don't forget to enjoy it I'm trying to enjoy it that's the thing is is like we're always going to have things to do I saw this online and sometimes things online kind of resonate with me

and it was sort of one of those things where it's like, hey, you've got problems to solve. You got problems. But as you're doing it, remember, this is your life. Enjoy it. Enjoy the problem solving. Try to enjoy all these things that come at you because what's really important. And, you know, put things into perspective. So I try. I try to practice what I preach, but it doesn't always happen, Ryan. I suffer. It is hard. We all suffer. And it's how you get through it. And anyway, I hope you enjoyed the podcast. Thanks for all the love and support. And let's get inside of Dermit Mulroney. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

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Are you a good line rememberer? I have to be because, yeah. Why do you say you have to be? Well, I wasn't before. I had to become good at it. And it's turned out great because I have tons of lines all the time. You do. Yeah, I play those parts where you'd have a whole speech or you'd be explaining.

Doesn't scare you? you it's just time on task it's just muscle memory well you'd hate to reserve a little bit more of it that you'll absorb and get on the set when you attach it to the other actor in the shape of the set and where you need to move or whether you're sitting still the whole time you'll learn your lines better on the set as you know a lot of people just flip right in and do it because they attach it to the motion however they do it i can't i got to have ample time to learn my shit go on set and not need to look at lines or anything it's just all in my head are you going to keep interrupting yeah i'm just telling you about me oh well i thought but no go ahead anyway

it's inside of you okay no no let me just process that and adjust okay cool what were you saying no go ahead i'm a very good listener this is a podcast right yes so so so i didn't have to fix my hair or anything because it's not on camera it is it is on camera okay how's my hair I have to say, Dermit, that your hair is probably the best hair I, of any friend that I have. Oh. Ryan, you have good hair. Thank you. But Dermott.

Dermott's like hair. He's like the musical, I think of him when I think of Dermann. I think of the musical hair. That's amazing. One question, no, we're friends? I think so. Well, we became friends. I mean, you've been over the house a few times.

It's true. So that would make us more than acquaintances. It's a wonderful place. And I got to know you and your lawyer who has assured me that when you pass, all of this will be mine. You'll have the entire place. I just have to split it with the dogs. We met because of our mutual friends, mutual friends, ski.

Yeah. Now, I have heard from many people when I say your name. It's like there's not a lot, but like you think Henry Winkler, you think there's a few people that out there that are notorious for just being. good-natured people now skeet called me this morning because i said what what dirt or anything you got on dormant skeet has really good hair and he wears a hat all the time yeah i don't understand what is that such a handsome guy is he trying to keep it from us his hair yeah maybe you know about superpowers do you think that's his his hair and then he's keeping it like and his smile but he said

that he you didn't know him for shit and he got covid And you called him and said, I'm going to the pharmacy right now for you. What do you need? Got him everything. When I got to, we're shooting Scream 6 in Montreal. That's where I met, Ski. We both been doing it the same amount of time. We're both from Virginia.

And I never even made his acquaintance to my recollection. And when you got there, you know, Javier is Melissa Barrera's awesome husband. Right. And he had COVID. And he'd travel and et cetera, et cetera. So they were in separate bedrooms. And that was like one of my first conversations with Melissa and my husband. but he's quarantined.

Is the production doing anything? Somebody's saying, no, nobody knew what to do. But once I knew that had happened and then Skeet comes to town, we have a great night, we stand next to each other.

Okay, I'll confess, we had our separate CBD smoking type of, not a joint, right? So we were smoking together. Gosh, I can't believe i'm saying that wait are you saying you were smoking a non-t hc filled joint yes true true because some of us don't smoke pot and skeet might be one of them oh yeah so the next day he has

covid so i was this close to share and you know coming down with it right um but so it felt like a couple of close shaves and really there's the you know french canadian equivalent of a cvs pretty much right up the block so uh i got them you know the vital and C packets and so forth. But he owes that to you. Well, and we became great friends. I'm amazed at how many people he's told that about. So that says something about Skeet that he recognizes kindness and he like passes it on.

I didn't really know him. We just met the night before or the two days before. So it just made sense. I thought of it. I had nothing to do. You want some little task on, you know, when you're on location and have nothing to do. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's more to it. But also then he mentions Drew Barrymore. you also helped drew he talked to drew barry more about this and you helped her out somehow what is this what are you the doctor of fucking hollywood doc hollywood over here tell me the story about true my skate oh skate skate motherfucker yeah if you're gonna write a book which somebody'd have to do for me i got a ton of great stories right

a lot of them i've never you know having reached air yet right so now there's like a podcast um age where you're spilling beans just willy nilly here and there so over so forth and so on so like at what cost this is some good shit yeah it is did ski give you any details how did skee no drew told him because no nobody yeah drew told him okay well and then circle back to the present okay and you could even use some um visual age you could go to that little um website called youtube and probably look it up where just the other day michael has been 30 years since bad girls that's when i worked with drew right drew was 18 i think she turned 18 on that and she was you know had been scattered to the wind by

her family by hollywood by everyone else she'd already had scandals at that age if you think of it's unimaginable right so everybody's great friends and we all got along um So she had, now back to the present, she had me on. Her producers had me on with some of the other actors from bad girls. And we were like surprise guests. So I touched base with Drew on this over the years, twice, once it was about three years ago, when I saw her. And we just knowingly know that we had a thing happen. But so I'm backstage in that.

show and i haven't come on to surprise you yet and she mentioned bits of it so she didn't paint the whole tale but that's the first that i heard her speak on it it's a wild tale that involves texas rangers border crossings drugs um and um a little lawyer down there in southwest texas who got my my ass off. Wait, so this is a story that is way more, is bigger than the ski helping him with this COVID. This is a little darker. You got Texas Rangers and drugs and stuff. There's no real darkness. It has to do with Drew. It's full of sunshine and light and love. And it wasn't even then. So when I'm on the show back to the present, we both broke down in tears. It's become its own little you know emotional meme what do they call it you know viral thing right like people really loved it

and we had a real moment but we didn't discuss it on air but there's a very real moment captured on her show where we're talking about it and she's saying things like you really looked after me you were so kind to me and that's as far as you'll go with it um you know it's really hard to say because Because everyone, everyone's fine and nobody heard anyone. But you took care of her. And by drugs, I mean, things that were called drugs at the time, which were marijuana. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's a long time ago. Which is now legal, which is what Drew said on her show. Right. So she did touch on that. But at the time. So you saved her. She was doing drugs and she was in trouble with Texas Rangers. That's what I'm gathering.

And you have to get out of it. I would say, like many film sets, certainly in the 90s, pot. and alcohol were extremely prevalent. Right, of course. Yeah, and I was still a drinker at the time, and hey, ho, let's go Texas style on that. And that was a huge contributing factor to how things went that night.

I'm just going to tee it up, I think. Teet up. I don't think I'm really to tell how it went. You should have Drew on. Do you think Drew would come on and tell the story? No, not a chance. she doesn't even know me i could tell drew was ready to tell that story everyone's innocent you know what i mean it wasn't like but there was a way that would have gone

really badly had everyone known it certainly right then when she's in her late teens right i'll finish by saying how much i love her and always have we did a second movie called big miracle in anchorage alaska two of the three whales we were trying to save survived so that was pretty good wow um in the movie yeah yeah well other one didn't make it which well still hurts yeah so we try you have a propensity for helping like you just are you have you always been like that since you were a kid was it how you were raised was it something your father instilled upon you that you know hey you if someone's you know you always look out for your friend always look out for people well gosh um amazing question

question and i'm glad you touched on my dad the kindest most caring person i can think of um he died about two years ago oh a little more no we miss him terribly oh my god good time to go by that age mom's still around how old was he he was two days older than 90s so he had a nice round number in mine yeah good for him good for him yeah you know four boys and a girl and my family the daughter was the youngest she's boss now which is amazing um you're the middle you're the middle you were the middle child of five yes so there's like a you try and reach and you know i had to grow up extroverted a small michael i was a short kid yeah um and i still carry that short kid in me me too i was the shortest kid in my high school yeah i didn't grow till after

high school that's me too how interesting i grew two and a half inches the summer after my freshman year i grew and like into my sophomore year i was five foot four when i graduated high school and i grew eight inches in the next year and a half yeah whoa that's amazing let me bounce back how did that help turn you into who you are do you know how much can you attribute it i i always attribute my a lot of my success to my friend tom lally he was who's tom he was that's not tom is it no that's ryan that's ryan okay but he was uh he's still my best friend in the world uh i was 12 and he was popular And I wasn't. And he used to come up the street and shoot basketballs with me and hang with me and say,

hey, I'm having people over. My parents are out of town. And then I could hear the popular kids say, what is he doing here? And he's like, no, he's cool. He's with me. He's cool. And then he asked me, he goes, hey, are you going to college? I don't know.

He goes, go to Western. We'll be roommates. And I was like, roommates are the popular guy. So I went to college. And then he was the guy who was like at parties going, listen to his impression to Roddy Dangerfield. Listen to his impression to this. Listen to this.

And I started doing theater and getting confidence. through this guy. Wow. Tommy. Tommy Lally. Where's Tommy? He lives about three miles from here. Oh, bless his heart.

Did you already call him or text him today? I text him every day. We talk every day. Did you already do it? What's the question? Yeah, I did. Are we being precise with this interview type of thing? I told him we had two sales for our Rosie's puppy fresh product.

We have an adept that your wife bought. Correct. She bought two of them. I know. We're halfway through the first. Does it work? It does. Yes.

But we, yeah, we have, yeah, anyway. We have miniature chihuahuas, so their mouths are disgusting because I can't really hold their teeth as they age, et cetera. But anyway, listen, on to you. I love how close you are with your father and the way you talk about it. You could just feel that, you know, I could feel his presence, that he was a good man. Such an extraordinary man. I can't, you know, I'm able to talk about it without getting overly emotional now.

but truly brilliant in the way i'm smart i mean like over the top and just a great family man um adventure but a you know dry tax attorney um 35 years behind the wheel of a morgan race car in his class in sport you know sport class wow race car driver at 83 we helped him get in his car at the age of 83 and 84 he drove the brickyard what's that appellas five Appalus 500. What? That track, it would be a sports car class on the yard. How fast did he go?

He goes about 85 or 90 miles an hour coming into the turns. He never, in his 32 or three-year career as a driver, never passed anybody. Yeah. He had the name of his racing team, which was just him and his chump friend who'd fix up the car and go with him, you know, put it up on. the trailer and go to all these local, you know, East Coast races, uh, was flexed sphincter racing team. Flex, flincter. Yeah. But flexed is spelled for the pH.

Is it really flex sphincter? Yeah. I think that's one of my siblings like corporate name or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're incorporation. It's certainly a family, uh, part. It should, it should be on our, uh, family crest.

Were they, uh, comforting or very supportive when you decided to get to the entertainment industry. Flexed Svincter racing team also had a motto. What was it? Never undefeated. Is that true? That's their motto. The motto of flexed finkter racing team was never undefeated.

Should it be never defeated? It should be. That took me a second. I was like, wait a minute. So that answers your question, why he's such a jewel in our lives and why I was brought up great that's michael um and his beloved wife ellen is still around lives on cape cod you still talk to her yeah yeah she's doing pretty good and uh we all rotate around see her regularly and she's in goody inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before

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And they supported you through your whole entertainment world, the wanting to act, playing the cello at a young. I have no idea. See, I didn't know you. Apparently we aren't friends because I don't know you that well. And then sometimes you start doing the work and you're like, you know, you don't jump into conversation. I know you have a band. I know you've been in bands. I know you've played songs on tons of movies, on soundtracks. You've been a part of that world for so long. Do you still play cello constantly, by the way? No. No. I want to. It went on as one of my resolutions for 2024. Yeah. And I'm working on a piece. And I've been putting this out there that I'm going to play with Yo-Yo Ma. Yo-Yo Ma doesn't know this yet unless he stumbled across these media mentions of mine. I've been putting it out there for about three years.

I have the piece picked out. It's a cello duo. Really? You're serious. I'm serious. So. Was playing cello ever? You know how you put something out there in the universe.

I've been doing it publicly, especially when I have to pay a publicist. Sometimes you have to pay a publicist. A lot of times you have to pay a publicist. Yeah. And it's a lot of actually working for me. I'm like, you make sure that yo-yo-ma comment gets in there. And you look it up. It's on the New York Post.

There's a couple years ago that made it like a thing that people swipe right by. Right. So one of these days, yo-yo-ma's going to swipe right by. I believe you. I always said I'm going to work with Gary Oldman. I love it. And I still think I will one day. Okay, a couple things I want to go back to.

Oh, I see Dracula's right there. Oh, yeah. Signed by Gary. One is we are friends. yes i know yeah um but only now yes because you're asking such nice questions yeah well i'm interested and did all that research for none none right doesn't have no research i do no amazing man thank you and to that i can see people flock to you to be your friend um and and i wouldn't say that anyhow you're clearly one of those people um uh i already worked with gary oldman he was i wrote that in an

article one time five people that you are like two actors that you like and i said jamie fox and gary oldman i've worked with both of them since lesson again on like publicizing literally publicizing your dreams who's left on your list um gosh great question well you said five and i know gary oldman and jimmy fox gosh no i was mixing that up with something else it was just the two okay just the two cut that out no no no no no there's no mistakes no no no no no no there's no mistakes here. No, I know. I love this. Amazing. I love this conversation. And sorry, the movie's called the

Olga Curiolenko is the lead in it with him. It's not the courier. The courier. The courier. Yeah. And you have scenes with him? I did. I marched into the you know, like the Villains Lair kind of place in London. His big office, so it's a downtown apartment

somehow. Ground floor apartment in London. and that's just eye-credit. You're like, how could this be so big and so beautiful? Anyway, yes, he was incredible. You get nervous around a guy like Gary Elman? I think he was working something and, ah, eye patched. That's what he had in that part.

He had an eye patch. Yeah. Was he like, you know, because I met him a few times and were you nervous acting in front of like royalty in a way? I only had a few lines, so that was good. Was it? Well, then you're less nervous. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, for that. So, um, and I, I chummed with him pretty good, you know, for a minute or two because usually my plan is don't even bug them, right? Why? Because at least in an era, they didn't want to be bugged. And then like, I guess maybe you're playing hard to get or whatever. So everybody becomes pretty comfortably friendly with me. Right.

I remember making sure I didn't try to, I was on about. Schmidt with Jack Nicholson, so I didn't want to like overdue with him. I was on Dirty Grandpa with Robert De Niro. You've been with everybody. You've worked with the greats. And of those three, um, it worked with two of them. De Niro never warmed up. No. I ran into him after that movie, shortly after that movie, um, in the, in the entryway of his hotel in, um, down in Greenwich Village or somewhere down there. Tribeca. Tribeca is what I meant to remember.

And he recognized my face, as many do. And like most people, couldn't really pull my name or where. Yeah. Do I work with you? Yeah, I said, no, I tried to help him out. I said, Bob, it's tournament, right? Hi. And he says, ah, and then a quick hug, and he's still defundle, you know, like.

Yeah, I hear that. And then I see a little moment of recognition. And he says, ah, dude. dad and calls me dad and gives me a second hug because we were in dirty grandpa and i was his son and i was zach effron's dad so he had like a d moment bobbled my name and wound up babbled the name and wound up with dad nice little warm hug and that that was my robert de nero a reunion story gosh i mean when you're working with these guys these big actors like nicholson is it just like dreams do come true it's like i'm finally this is the guy that i've always admired

that i've watched his work and you know i got to step up i got i got to i got to go extra mile i got i want him to notice me i want him to see how good i am yeah i'll continue with about schmidt because one of the first scenes was a big scene solo with jack i come into his den and i'm trying to pitch him um i know it sounds like a pyramid scheme but it's not a pyramid scheme is the line that's classic from that movie and it was my big scene with him was early in the schedule anyway the long and the short of it we reshot that so there i was trying to be cool and not like get in his space and just hang with jack without trying to be his buddy um and and then and then i babbled it when i got to the you know when i actually got to the scene Alexander pain the director came

like two days later it's film in Omaha it's probably a couple days later and said right you know we're gonna we're gonna I think you'll I think you'll do better and we have time and we're in the same stage so we're gonna reshoot that's gonna be intimidating when they say we're gonna shoot something that the whole thing was intimidating so there aren't men and that's why I babbled it overacted maybe facey how did Nicholson respond to that when he had to reshoot that oh we never no I don't think we talked about oh Darn it. He almost had a good Nicholson reshoot impression.

Well, I was just going to go, we already shot this scene. Why are we doing it again? Oh, we just want to get a better performance out of Dermott. Well, I guess we'll shoot it then. Dermann, you know your fucking lines? I'm so glad I circled back for that. Amazing. Yeah, that might have been it.

It might have been something like that. But, no, I don't have. have any recall of him being a dick no way no in fact you know like a jungle creature you sit with the mountain gorillas you know the next day the chairs are set up next to each other a little bit so it worked with him too was he like was it was he like um you know you say your line or what do you ever go that was good on that one i liked what you did there did he ever compliment you or anything no he was very much in this part part for all of the shenanigans that he's known for right i guess i can tell this it is jack nicholson

yeah come on so like the third day maybe it's the reshoot of the same scene a couple of these older guys they like the low chairs you know not the high painter style chairs like them um so they have two of those where we're next to each other about this far part and i's you know how's it going Jack, probably that's where he did that thing that you just did. But then he opens up a little bit, and he tells me that he's really been behaving himself on this movie. He was indicating to me that he really cared about the part, and it showed. He was Oscar-nominated, of course, but also it showed in the performance.

It showed in his approach to the day. So was that part of, you know, what made me, you know, over-matched or not, you know, too anxious right um so he tells me this uh even when i flew in and i flew private but uh i won't do an impression um but i brought a bindle that was the word this size and this was the shape and size of his hands and he said i haven't touched any of it of coke no no he meant again at the time it was a drug and you had to smuggle it into Nebraska but it was pot it was just right yeah not touching any of right not on this one no he's not going to anywhere near the Bindle.

So Dermit, I don't want to do this thing three times. So let's get it in the basket. Yeah, I don't want to have to go smoke pot because of this young actor who can't get his shit together and lose his game, which was amazing to see. There's only a few other scenes I'm in him. That's not so. But like so on his game. So amazing, beautiful open actor.

No pre pretentious. It's all. He's present. Yeah. And like he didn't have a plan for the scene. But then I'd overhear him talking Alex. There's so many things were so specific. But it just was so juicy roll. Just so smooth. I have a feeling like when he does something really right, he kind of does that bounce. He gets excited. He goes, all right, are we almost ready for lunch? Like he almost, you feel like when he's doing that. Yeah. He was so amazing in that film. I watched it recently. Rarely got to see a move. I'm out of town.

to see a movie front to back without any interruptions and i saw about smith that way recently it's so beautiful dear and dougy what was his name the kid indugu yeah dear and do i know you're gonna want to run down and cash this check right away i love that movie but you have done so many things and it's not like you've done so many things you're continuing to do so many things and your your resume just like roll after roll after roll and you touch a little bit of little on everything. Then you do some Star Trek? Yes. So I'm actually, you know, if it's a universe, yeah. No, Star Trek. Oh, Star Trek. Yes. I'm in that universe. I'm also in the Star Wars universe. And the scream universe. And the scream verse. But the other two I'm in because I played in the

scoring orchestras. So I'm remotely and I'd be like a way out there playing it way. Way. way out billions of light years away to the Star Wars universe, but I played two and a half weeks scoring days. What do you do on a scoring day? This is Michael Giacchino, who's got the biggest heart in Hollywood. He's America's finest

composer. Air to John Williams, without a doubt, it's already there. The most phenomenal musician and the most incredible person who includes his friends and just a loving man. So I play for him. It's that orchestra. I don't play a cross

town in like open contract gigs his contractor calls me so that that's why i've done so many because once you're in his orchestra he included me with the greatest musicians in los angeles which of course means the country which of course means arrival with any in the world and there i sit in that group because you're good and you know how to uh you're malleable you're good enough on your instrument that you know what you're doing right yeah oh very much so and i flashed to my parents who made sure I was on time to every lesson, every orchestra camp, everything, coming, going, five kids, back and forth. We all played instruments.

So, yes. And so this is what would happen. You learn once that they mean downbeat at starting time. So you don't ever come in late. It's wonderful. not like actors are always late well PAs are always on time right so it's just right when you're supposed to you have to be good and ready coffeeed up rosin on your bow everything ready in your seat and go at go time and you play for 50 minutes an hour three hours work in the morning three hours in the

afternoon it's called a double session that way um so union breaks and all that I sit down I'm in the rear of the section a lot of times i get to sit next to susy katyama who's my um long time stand partner and wonderful cellist helps me so i'll get to that but quickly you'll go through the music look for anything that has a whole bunch of notes in it or looks hard um tune up warm up your hands these cold rooms but the rooms are ones that they they scored everything bernard hermond they scored she sang somewhere over the rainbow in this room right that's where the orchestra played it um incredible so i'm in there and then we go we play out so i'm reading music sight reading it never seen it before but that's a skill once you have you don't you don't get

rusty with that maybe a little with rhythm but notes you can always read them um so i'm watching the conductor there's a timer on the wall so you know what measure you're in and even what beat you're in so it'd be measure one two three two three three so you know and your music is numbered of headsets so there's a click so you're listening you're playing with the conductor you're reading you're watching a number and then over there gloriously is the film so when cellos don't play you might watch a piece of a amazing piece of a movie that no one's seen yet because it's just the horn section playing to it the person that can mainly see it is the conductor in the booth all see so cellos are facing this way i don't see the picture of the movie unless i can glance

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Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. All these movies now. I mean, we can get into other stuff. We don't have a ton of time. But, like, you know, lights out. Yeah, lights out. Frank Grillo stars in with Scott. I love Frank Grillo.

He's been on. I love him. Ah, yeah, me too. Incredible. We met on the Grey and became fast enemies. It's been amazing. That's the kind of guy you met. The night I met him, I'm like, oh, I'm not going to like you at all.

And he said, I hate you already. And he's literally, first words out of her mouth. So we've been besties ever since. He saw it and said it's great. I haven't seen it yet. Lights out. That is it'll come out in February on your, you know, on your favorite streaming platform. And breakwater, I haven't seen, but it looks dope.

It kind of reminds me of a fugitive-like movie. It is very much that. You've got this beautiful beard. And I'll just read what it is because it's cool. a young ex-con risk his newfound freedom to track down the estranged daughter of a fellow inmate and unknowingly brings a devil from her past straight to her doorstep yeah yeah you could do that one in the voice that's great just or at least the last bit yeah a young ex con risks his new found freedom to track down the estranged daughter of a fellow inmate and unknowingly brings a devil from her past straight to her doorstep in breakwater see it enough is that i don't you don't need to say i don't have any more to say except there's an amazing experience um and uh awesome part twist do you i mean i mean it's endless the list of you know we we do have to mention my best friend's wedding because it was kind of like a big start for you i mean

you had done a lot of stuff yeah and you mean you came out here you weren't here but three months you had a little contract you came out to los angeles and you started booking things yeah and and life started happening and it just kind of just took off from there didn't it yes i had i had um including right after the release of best friend's wedding i had like any other actor very slow times um at different periods um um but a really unusually fast start yes yeah yeah did you uh different way of people viewing things the first part i had was a lead in a tv movie called um two young people when we shot it, but it was on CBS on Sunday night called Sin of Innocence. Sin of Innocence.

Yeah. And that night, like 15 million people watched it because there are only three channels. And so you're suddenly an actor. Not like now where you got to piece together a couple things or hope somebody saw your web show or even that nice popular show that's on a thing that you don't watch that and you don't know who that actor is. Or I have a show on Fluby. It's a great show. No one sees it.

Well, that's what I mean. Nothing like this. So that it started itself, that choice, that producer choosing me to play that role is who did, you know, determine her name is Renee Valenti. Yeah. And they cast me as Bill Bixby's son and Dee Wallace. I love, she was in the podcast. I love Dee Wallace.

I keep on her. I keep on it to put her in. I have an idea. She's so brilliant and such a wonderful woman. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I was so blessed. They took me.

I was 22 playing. 17, 16 maybe, and they got married and their son and her daughter are now suddenly in the same house and the hormonal teenagers fall in love. It's a beautiful story, very like culturally complicated at the time, right? Even just like premarital relations, even showing teenagers in bed together at that time had to be passed way up through lawyers up and through the, what do they call standards and practices and all that. So it's really specific at those time. Oh, one thing, I guess I've mentioned it once, but in another TV movie, Daddy, a couple years later, staggeringly profound to my career,

how many people saw it, how it turned into things. That was another TV movie, like a Sunday night thing when you didn't have anything else to watch. So these things led up to. Yeah. And did you audition for my best friend's wedding? I did, but I wanted to make sure everyone knows that I was the first person on network television to be allowed to hold a condom. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, otherwise, it was going to be missed if I didn't tell people that.

There's probably a couple lawyers. You think they're still alive that had to okay it, that the teen kid said, but we're going to be safe. And then there's an insert close up in that show that had to be allowed, like, through the powers that be, that the kid could hold a condom. So that was me. I was in I was in Vegas speaking of condoms speaking I was going to say no no I was in Vegas and I remember I was at this I didn't care I had a fanny pack and I'm walking around my buddy and this prostitute comes up to me and she goes she goes what are you doing and I go oh nothing I go I got my fanny pack she goes let's in you a fanny pack and I go money prophylactics she goes What's that? I go, rubbers. She goes, be crazy. That was my rubber story. It just cracked

me up. Why have rubbers? Why did that? I didn't have rubbers in there. I just thought it was funny to say that. Why did that turn? Yeah, can I get some prophylactics? Just sounds a little bit. No, for sure. But anyway, you you auditioned for how many times for my best friend's wedding? My recollection is that it was once. But what I remember about it is, um, they were even like I'd one of those where there's a couple of guys there right and then i go in who's there and i made eye contact with julia roberts and i thought oh we're friends that's what happened that's what happened in my brain really yeah i like everyone i was already taken with her because if you've even missed mystic pizza um i didn't see uh pretty woman gear movie until later i hadn't seen that when i first right first met julia so um yeah but i didn't know i was going to get it or anything i definitely

so there was no way to calculate what that movie was to become what it's still becoming as we speak it's still alive and you know like virulent incredible but i did know it was a big movie to catch even though i'd been in you know young lead or supporting parts of in a number of studio movies, whether it's copycat or what's the one I'm flashing, I'm pointing to return, all those preceded Best Friends Weddings. So I was already in the studio stack, but it wasn't leading those movies. When you see her in the room, that moment, is it unlike any other, is it just like another beautiful woman who's there sitting there?

Or does she sort of like, I'll give you an example of what I'm trying to say, name drop, but I was at Carrie Fisher's birthday party and she goes, I want to introduce you to Nicole Kidman. And I go, Nicole Kimman would not want anything to do with me. She goes, no, no, no, she loves hockey. I want you to meet her. So I'm sitting at this table and I see Carrie coming up, going up to Nicole Kidman

and looking at me and going, nice guy. And I look at her. And it's like suddenly the room lit her. Like she had her own lighting. She walked in and I was like, oh my God, I've never seen a movie star. That is a movie star. She was just, and I was floored.

Yes. And she was really cool and all that. But when you see Julia Roberts, is it the same feel? Yes. It is. Like the light warms up in that side of it. I walked in and she's over there. I can picture the physicality of it.

Director, maybe one producer, casting director here, small room. And like, so you come and you scan real quick and you turn and you have your breath taken away yeah that's what i was gonna say but it wasn't yeah it was a real thing it felt like it proved to be true as we're still friends now but so you can do that you know the most famous one it's really how mario puzzo wrote it that's so beautiful when michael sees apollonia wow it's a it's written in italian maybe there's a word for the lightning bolt um i think now so people know that story, right? But sometimes you just flash on somebody, maybe like me and Skeet, you just see a guy

and he said, that's my pal! We're right away buddies. You know what I mean? I'm so lucky to describe that. I hope for your listeners that you have your eye out for that and you can see people that you know you're immediately going to mess with. You know what I meant to say. I could feel that. I've seen Nicole too and she does. So then there's a thing. Then there's an extra category of people partially added on because you know they're stars, but then they're just people that

just are star-like yeah and you know those people in your real life in your high school in your in your in your comings and goings you come across them every once in a lot yeah and you're like we're lucky when people turn those people into actors and they get the light up to screen yeah and in the case of those two and uh countless others um they really do have another thing yeah i agree they have something else man that you can't it's not it's intangible it's like just it's it um this is kind of a non sequitur but like uh what would you say the toughest time is what was in your life like you know uh we all go through a lot of tough times i've been through depression anxiety all these things that have weighed me down loss all that but um what is it something

that you go hey this is the hardest part of my life that i had to get through the most adversity you faced and how did you turn it around um um yeah there's a midlife period there coming out of of my first marriage, quickly moving into my second. I quit a very, very serious alcohol habit right in there too and got immediate relief from what a monster that was for me. But I didn't get any freaking prize at the end of the door, you know, like coming into sobriety, didn't bring me riches and more anything. So right around then, 8, 9, 10, my housing market crash, double housing, money going down not a job to be found um newest relationship becoming parents becoming um you know this great lasting marriage so the way i got out of that was partially prima just saying

freaking go and that's you know it's it's part of how it's done and i didn't decide it um so it doesn't mean you got to really like it but i had gotten somewhat reclusive i also had little toddlers and stuff by then so it's you know there's irony and saying that's the toughest time of my life because it was the highest point too where I added to my family and I wouldn't change a thing so just to have that in there but in terms of like stress levels and stuff but yeah I just ducked back in and took everything and showed up to stuff and had my picture taken at places and slowly but surely got it back and doing it all sober yeah so then that whatever imaginary prize that you think you're going to get for being a good boy for the first time in your life um does come true you know it does

it just may not be immediate and uh boy the gift of not drinking alcohol so i haven't spoken on that very much at all ever i was so terrified when i went to seek help that that would become a story it wasn't long after, you know, our beloved Ben Affleck was smeared on the front of people for going to rehab. That was those years. Yeah. You know, and like, shamed for it. Not, thank God, the kid seeking kid, you know, man by then, seeking help anyway. The mentality of the time was different. So I had fear there. Did you deal with anxiety? Or obviously depression because that's, you know, alcohol is a depressant. Yeah. So, I mean, did you. did you ever see someone talk to someone well i've seen therapists over the years um and i'm seeing a

nice guy right now i saw his name um i took a picture of the it's the leaderboard at the optometrist office you know like in all the msw's on there and then i googled a couple of them and came up with gabriel who's been maybe it's even not my first male therapist but anyway i's been so helpful i sought help for him when i knew my dad was going to die so that i was really in much better shape than i ever would have been at that loss. What did he teach you to prepare for? Was it something I want you to think about this? This is going to happen. It was the first therapist that actually gives advice. So thankfully, the world's caught up to that. Like, if we're going to pay you, can you at least say, you know, what do you want me to do? Yeah, or like, tell me. What happened to the other guy

like me? Yeah, that happens all the time. I'm like, have you? Do you know anything like this? Because can you just tell me what happened to him and we'll all skip to the end? Well, what do you think you need to do. I don't know. So I'm here. That's why I'm here, Gabriel. I'll give you 300 an hour. He'll direct my ramble to its most healthy outcome.

I do most of the talking and then he'll say, well, let's go by and then. Or let's keep that in mind when you and that's about it. But for me, because I'm pretty mentally healthy other than, which I can explain. Yeah, it's like a checkup. I'm so lucky, you know. Yeah, so lucky that way. And as to quitting alcohol, I'll say I'm so lucky that it did go away. I had two other drinking episodes following my treatment.

And then it finally worked. And now it lifted. I don't think about it. I'm not uncomfortable in bars. I don't want to limit who my, it doesn't occur to me that my friends are drinking or getting drunk, et cetera. A lot of people have to carry that forever, and it just keeps on you. So I'm blessed in so many ways, partially because of the things that we talked about

have had extraordinary experiences. So if you want to, like, do a mental health check, sometimes it's just like thinking of the Bindle story with Jack Nicholson. And you kind of chuckle and you lie in bed, you fall asleep. but my mental health disorder that's come from being looked at for 38 years and all the other that doesn't you know anyway all the other things that have driven other celebrities hopefully through addiction and on out like me i was going to be a drunk anyway though um and uh or other really you know horribly difficult mental illnesses so many of which have been

even lethal um i've been so blessed there too so what so my symptom is manic talking thank you it took me that long to get it out sometimes i can't stop but i like it okay i like when it works good for podcasts i found did you see but yeah you know that's where i go over and then not a little too much coffee and then it's so fun and then i want more because that's like the addict let's tell another Everyone wanted me. Well, let me, yeah. By the way, my dog came in here. Yeah.

Isn't he a cutie? Dogs. I got a thing with, dogs have a thing with me. Yeah. Well, you have four of them. Those dogs are fine, but if I meet a dog, they're liable to have an issue with me. Not yours. Your dogs are bad.

Thank you. Yeah. You know, when you're coming in your house, like, oh, those are a couple of bad dogs. I'm just going to walk in and avoid them. And then they're fine. Charlie, you know what he said? Bank more oncores when you switch to a Scotia Bank banking package. Learn more at scotiabank.com slash banking packages.

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real life horrors one case at a time with deep research dark storytelling and the occasional drink to take the edge off we're here to explore the wicked and reveal the grim we are wicked and follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform hey let me ask you this really quick about the alcohol only because someone i love dearly um has a lot of issues drugs and alcohol and everyone and this person just thinks that they can continue to function and they do this and they work and they make good money and they do this but i could see how it really effs their life up and it just seems so far away from their perspective to ever get help or ever do this and like oh i'll just do it what could you what is there anything you could say

that they could relate to yeah it's so hard it's so hard and everybody's version of this disease is somehow different because it's your brain and it's how your brain tells you what to do when you know you even when your body's screaming at you shouldn't be doing that whether it's just throwing up or eating away at your liver whichever it is um it's a progressive disease your friend will never get better until they completely stop drinking alcohol they'll always be struggling with it and maybe not do as much damage if they're able to not drink as much right but it's curtains there's a curtain you need to draw in your life and then you're either inside it or outside it i did it at 42 i'm so grateful and i feel for your friend um

and i know that mentality and it can be ironclad where that's going to be the person who pulls it off yeah and that's part of you know in the program which i strongly support um they describe alcohol is cunning baffling and powerful so that's i go to that sometimes just at how you'll hear another story and you realize how powerful is you read another story and you realize how you know cunning it can be so it's talked to this person not this person hasn't done it to themselves that person's disease has talked to that person sometimes how just the right version of it for that brain to let them think that they can pull it off and party the life away that's sound advice sound uh i mean i don't know how to do it yeah yeah yeah

it's it's it sounds like it's it you know um thank you look for people to like you yourself to help but sometimes your friends aren't the ones that can help no um because you don't want to And they don't want to, this person doesn't want to hang out with me as much because I'm not a drinker really. I don't party. I, uh, yeah, you know, so, uh, that happens in life, too. That's a phase of life where some people don't and they don't function properly. They can't be themselves too without.

No, and you, yeah, and your lifestyles are too different because of alcohol. So that can happen. Yeah. Frequently does. You've come over a few times and you play cornhole and you're with your wife and I could see how much you guys love each other. And I could see how much you gets a kick out of you. you how much you get a kick out of her and you're just so playful you you you know i don't know

how old you are but 60 are you 60 yeah just this year i mean we'll end of 23 i turns happy birthday thank you bro you just have such don't ever lose that i think that's always been part of you hasn't it that playful that element it has and i'll circle back on that especially now that what do you call this um podcast yeah podcast i know but what's your title inside of you with michael rosenbaum and i didn't know that you had a focus on mental health and I'm three quarters of the way through the interview. Yeah, we like to talk about it. So I quickly indexed it and realized

I had touched on a few things. That would be helpful for your theme. But that's one of my symptoms of having such a wonderful, impactful, positively impressionable young life on film sets. Everything was roses, right? Or it felt that way. And so those are the years. Of course, I'm flashing on the real traumas

and who I lost in those years and all those things, but what left the deepest impression was all, yeah, so that, that's why I kind of spin like that. Yeah. Oh, you were saying so youthful. That, you know how a bad trauma will stop you at that age? My good trauma's like stopped me in some ways at that age. So that's why I'm so like kid-like

and kind of off-putting. You know what? The opposite for me is that, I didn't, for whatever, you know, many reasons, but didn't get all those things you're supposed to have as a kid. And so what I did was I became one of those guys that I had to be, make every moment funny. I had to find the fun, the laugh, the joke, the this. I couldn't, it was hard for me to be serious. It's still hard for me to be serious, although I can. But beautifully, I think that, that I was hiding behind something.

I was just like, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, he's funny, he's funny. This is me when I'm just like, you don't want to see the real fucking me. No, I know. Amazing, man. Well, it's incredible that you have that awareness. I'm very aware of it.

Some people never are able to see that about themselves. That's why now I know what it is and it's not that with me. But gosh, wonderful times. Those years for me, they would have started, you know, high school. By college, I'd run into world-class funny people. Yeah. By the junior year in college, I'm in the improv show. That show is having its 50th anniversary this year.

Wow. It's called The Meow Show. It's been running forever. And it coughed up a lot of people from it. Julie Dreyfus is one of them. Anna Gastair, maybe Kristen Hahn. Wow. What's his name?

Geniuses. A lot of guy. Seth Myers and his brother, we're all in the improv show. So especially 80s improv, in Chicago, I was at Northwestern. So that Second City vibe and all of that was so vibrant and vital that we literally trained ourselves to be like that. Just chugging out, comedy, bits, quips, anything you can think of and then ingrained in me. And then that's part of why it led to this person, led to that agent, led to that videotape, led to that age, and coming out of that show, to be honest, it has some lineage to why I'm even here. So I brought that in when I started in Hollywood.

And then right away, I'm playing drama kids. You know what I mean? So I had to really contain all of that. I know exactly how you feel. Lex Luther, me? That's what I mean. Come on. that's what i fucking thought it and no one but you did michael you did because you what you did

every time you oh just completely never turned it off and kept being funny the whole freaking party as you were training yourself to use your imagination you were actually cycling your brain in a way that if you don't do that you can't do this so that's just exactly what i was about to say and now we're both far on the far side of it where i was way too funny ironically But maybe because of that, I wasn't being used in comedies. Maybe that's even because why I wasn't getting those parts and I was getting the other ones. Because I would be overdoing that because it's my love, right? So then I never regretted a part I took even in some of the, you know, less, you know, less accomplished fair.

But I definitely felt like, why is he? I was like in the improv. I was like the guy that did a thing. And that was funny. Well, they say a lot of the great comedians and the funny guys can be a lot of times the great actors or the good actors. So I hope that has something to do with it because I was like, I was like, how am I getting these opportunities?

How aren't I playing serious? But especially after you've gone through that cycle of using all of that to the extreme so that you've developed that ability to then play Lex Luthor and play him straight because you know it's none of that. Well, he wasn't gay. I love you. I love you. This has been a genius joyride.

I hope you'll come back. We come back someday. He wasn't gay. He was just bald. I know, I was just joking. Gosh, don't lump those two things in together. No, well, he's straight. So I was just joking.

I know, I got you. It's all on me. No, I like being gay and being straight jokes. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Gay, straight, we're all the same. We're all here. Yeah. Thanks for being here.

Thank you. Straight. straight gay not apologetically but you know like straight like I really get it straight yeah I get it I let's get straight to the point here I'm good I love you thank I love you too what an amazing day thank you for bringing me

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