Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - DEVON SAWA: Final Destination Surprise, Fight to Be Eminem’s Stan & Hollywood’s Catalyst to Rock Bottom

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Devon Sawa (Final Destination, Casper) joins us this week to share the highs and lows of his experience in this industry from his unstoppable ambition as an actor in his youth to the inevitable struggle, that Hollywood catalyzed, leading to his rock-bottom of quitting at 24. Devon is an open book this episode - candid about his evolving relationships and what inevitably pulled him back into film. We also talk about why he’s most proud of Stan, his shock at the premier of Final Destination 5, and being stranded during the filming of Chucky. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠 Neurohacker: https://neurohacker.com/inside 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and it's got me on the on the bottle with my my dog blanche and I'm very excited about that and it's doing well so hopefully you like it too write a review uh devon saw was here and I've known him for a long time we've never really hung out but we always see each other and it's like dude we know mutual people and he he's very open and I loved having him here uh we talk child's play we talk a lot of stuff we get personal we get deep and I think you're going to really appreciate him. Devin, thanks for coming on the show. And let's see what you think. Let's get inside of Devin Sawa. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

How many podcasts do you do? You know, uh, I try not to do a lot. I get a lot of requests for podcasts. You do? Yeah, I got one the other day from a father of my daughter. Like, it was like, it was. What?

Yeah, it's kind of weird. He hit me up. He's like, hey, I got a friend that does a podcast. I'm like, all right. And then I did it. You're like being nice, but you're like, I did it. And then. You did it.

Yeah, I did it for them. And it got a little awkward. Why? Well, they started trying to get shit out of me. Like, they tried to just, they started asking me about, if anything um if there was any relationships on the movies i did back in the you know if there was it just got weird were there no it wasn't i was like i can't remember any that you know they wanted they wanted but that but you know why it's weird it's weird because it's a friend of a friend

who yeah i mean they were they were good they were nice they were they were trying to just get something that hadn't that i hadn't said a billion times and i gave them nothing and and i was polite is that a rowdy roddy piper 1984 sweatshirt absolutely I worked with him. He gave me a sleeper and then I gave him to sleeper. He showed me how to I put him to sleep. You worked with him. I put this little comedy that wasn't.

Needs to be seen. This little comedy that needs to be seen. Tell us the name of this little comedy. No, it wasn't. I enjoyed doing it. It was called kicking at old school. Oh, yeah. With Jamie.

Yeah, yeah. Of course. And I had a great time. Yeah. Lasser and people like, you know, Phil, Phil. You live with Phil. I lived with Phil and Stuart Stone. and I live with him back at the Oakwood.

We got kicked out of the Oakwood. Doesn't anyone, everyone get kicked out of the Oakland? I think so. Yeah, but kicking at old school. Kicking at old school. And I worked with Roddy. And here's what's sad. He was awesome.

Yeah. But he shows up to the premiere and nobody told him he was cut out with he's with his kids. Oh, man. I hate that when a director won't call the actor and say, hey, listen, your stuff's not in there. Yeah. That's mandatory. Yeah, I wouldn't have come. That's, yeah, of course.

I'm not coming if I'm cut out of the movie. Yeah. You know, a funny story. I didn't know I was in Final Destination 5 and I was invited to the premiere. And I don't know if you know the ending, but they cut me into the, they use old footage from number one. Right. And they shoot new footage from number one. They shoot new footage and they spliced it together.

And so I'm sitting there. I was like, why did they invite me to this premiere? And I'm sitting there in my seat and all of a sudden, there I am, like in whole, in brand new scenes that have never. Okay, wait a minute. They can't do that. I just talked to Michael Bean about this and he ended up getting a big paycheck. They did it. And because they, they, they, is something in the contract of, of being able to use stock footage. Stock footage. And then when you sign it, you think, okay, they're going to use it for, you know, trailers or or whatnot. But it wasn't it new footage sort of like. No, it was footage we shot. And then like, I guess, I guess stuff that they didn't use. But it was new footage we shot and and new footage or old footage we shot and new footage. They. shot and kind of they grained it down but you should have sued listen it's uh i guess it's a big studio and it's like what's the point yeah did you get residuals i got some residuals i'm sure i'm sure i got like what i don't like that i know they don't even tell you at least you you went to something thinking you were running in it and you were in it and you were in it

i want to say that they didn't tell me because they didn't want it to get out i'm hoping that's the reason yeah it would have been nice yeah it would have been nice for sure um i know you looked around, you're like, I need to get a man cave. Yeah. I need to, does your wife, does she? Yeah, I have a, I have a movie room, but it's, but it's done. My wife did it. It's got like, you know, pictures that are perfectly placed. It's classy. It's class. So you're saying this isn't class. No, this is great. This is what I want. You got baseballs. You got Muppets. You've got, you know, I mean, this is great. I love this room.

Yeah, it's fun. You know, it's nice, too. And, um, because usually, you know, other actors or whatever come in and they, they notice it. And sometimes I could tell they're like, Jesus Christ. No, man, I love the, all the horror. That was on my wall as a teenager. It's one of my, for many years. One of my favorite movies of all time. Return of the Living Dead. Video, video gave me the poster because I loved the movie and it stayed on my wall for years.

Really? Yeah. You don't have it anymore. I don't have the, I moved out and my parents took my room down and kept nothing. Really? Yeah. Are your parents both with you? My father passed away like 10 years ago.

Yeah. My mother's up in Canada. are you guys close you and your mom yeah we're close were you close to your pops i was close with him i why we became close it was uh he became a different man in in my uh you know my 20s and 30s yeah um what do you mean a different man was well he was you know growing up was was uh he was from that old school kind of you know old school dad and he was not he was not great to go to sports with and you he was hard on you he was hard on me he was hard on me we'll leave it at that mine too Mine was really hard on me, and I always tell the story, but I remember I scored three goals in this hockey tournament.

I go, Dad, I scored three goals, the overtime winner. And he goes, yeah, it was a weak goalie. Yeah, that was. That's my father. That's my father. And it's one of the reasons I gravitated towards Dieter because he would, I hated going to sports, man. I was pretty good at sports too, but there was always a problem. There was always, you know, something wasn't good enough.

He left me a load with Dieter. He liked it. He encouraged it, but he didn't know shit about it. Right. So he left it alone. Oh. You think that some sports dad would be sort of against the theater of like going into theater. My dad sort of was like that, you know, I always make the joke of eat your steak.

You know, I told him I want to be an actor. Right. You know, I said that a few times. But, you know, so I understand that. But it's kind of cool at least that he supported you and what you wanted to do. But he didn't know what he was talking about. So he just let you do your thing. Right.

Exactly. Yeah. He didn't know. He couldn't give me shit after after a theater performance. because he didn't know he didn't know what he was saying yeah are you like me though were you like always trying to uh get your father's approval yeah oh yeah there was a lot of that did that go away yeah it did it did how did it how did it how did it go away um i i think he became a different guy um and it just became easier to talk to him and he he just he just became easy going and

really yeah and i don't know that's rare it became a different relationship i think was my sister that had a lot to do with it you know he had a daughter and all of a sudden this this uh edge came off and and he was uh he was a girl dad and were you surprised we was like this is dad 2.0 what's i was happy it made you happy yeah because i i've gone to therapy my whole life have you ever gone to therapy i haven't i should never i haven't well you seem like you got your shit together now i'm scared of therapy why i don't know i'm scared they're going to tell me what they're going to tell me something that i don't want to hear something that that I should hear. I'm afraid I'm going to cry the entire time.

What's wrong with that? That's another thing that I tried to change with my father. Like, it was not okay to cry. Like, if you cried like during E.T. or something, you were getting tees. You were getting the elbow. You know, I tried to be as emotional as possible with my son. I try to let him know that everything, you know, if something is sad or emotional, let it go. you know be you right you know you don't you know kind of look down on them now not at all you know i remember being i was watching a broadway show was my dad brother me mom and it was very emotional it was it was blood brothers i think right this musical blood brothers which i loved and if you had a camera and you were like uh on a dolly and you started with my mom she's hysterical then you go to me

hysterical then you go to my brother just like looking at us like we're idiots and my dad just going a bunch of wimps yeah you know that that was kind of the mentality right you know so is your dad still with you he is he is is is he is still the same yeah yeah yeah um where you i was born in new york and i grew up in indiana okay um it's it's weird my whole life i thought that if you if if your family provided for you if you had a roof over your house head and you were fed yeah that's a good parent yeah that's what it meant and it took me going to therapy them going that's bullshit yeah that's not what you know uh but i also believe also in that hard that hard sort of old school mentality i don't like it um but it exists and it's just

you had to learn to accept it so i don't i didn't want my dad to be like you know i'd never seen him cry i was just talking i never have never heard i never saw my father cry never saw my father never saw my father cry yeah um the only time i saw my father is when i lost my sister a few years ago and i've never hurt anybody like that and and so it hurt me to hear him in that much pain yeah but it also made me go oh my god he's he's he's human he sure he you know this and how much he actually does care and i think he does care and i think um but it it's it's just not in his DNA and um yeah i think my brother got a lot of that it's it's um he doesn't know how to talk about things like he won't like that that's something that as i got into this business and

you know got with this great group of you know people in the film industry i learned to to open up and you know be able to speak about things and i think my brother's like my father where it's everything's it's not it's not okay to talk about your feelings see that's It sounds like you got your shit together in that sense. But like, what I will say about therapy is it's not about all the trauma exactly. It's not about it's about the day to day. It's about sort of like, you know, you go work out and you feel better and, you know, you're in shape. And mentally, we get stressed and we deal with, you know, we don't pay attention to certain things when it could be easier.

And so if you talk to somebody who's good, then you start to talk about, you know, this makes me, why, why do you feel stress? about it i don't want to fail so where does that come from you know why you know and and working things out and sort of understanding your actions and what you're doing and how to improve them if you that's what you want right so it's not like somebody's going to sit here and go devon you're a complete f-up and this is you know and and you're going to sit there and make you cry if anything it's cathartic right i would pay for your first therapy class and just one therapy session interesting see but by the end of one therapy session, I'd want to, I'd want the person to tell me what I need to do differently. They don't do that. I know they don't. But I'd be like, listen, I again, I just sat here for

45 to an hour. Can you tell me what I got to do now? Because I'll go and do it and everything will be cool. What they will do is they will give you the tools and they'll make you understand yourself a little more so that the pieces are all there. So you're like, oh, this is why I respond to like that this is why I do that and if you're aware of it you can improve on that so that's they do give you the answers they don't just sit there and go okay tell me your problems right and here are the answers thank you and uh you're good to go now right it's nothing's that easy yeah but um I you know I didn't want to go to therapy I was like what am I doing here what made you go for the first time where you just you just had I went through a breakup right

and uh I lost someone that I was in love with and it was my fault And I tried to get them back and he called it situational depression. This is what you're dealing with. But it felt like I couldn't function for six months. I just was like not me. I was a shell of a man right that I was. And I started to deal learn about ego. And I was like, wait a minute. Is this a lot of ego stuff? Yeah. Is this a lot of and when I kind of that that's where I'm going to that's where I'm going to get into. See, it's ego. You're a confident guy. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a lot of. You're a guy. You're. You're. You're a. You're a. You're a talented guy got the you know you kick in some ass right now yeah everything seems to go it's more about helping you prepare for when those things happen that you're you don't it's unpredictable and sort of understanding yourself so you can get through those things a little easier right that that's it yeah i'm not telling you to go to therapy i'm just i'm just you're like you just got here's fuck this guy's telling me to go to fucking therapy yeah you know i know i know i know i know i know i know i'm listen, I'm far from perfect and I've got some stuff to, I just got to, you know, I just got to get there.

Did you, how old were you when you became an actor? So fifth grade is when, it was a punishment. It was a fifth grade, my teacher suggested if I wanted to be class clown, that my parents should put me into theater. And so they put me into this really, you know, bad theater company, this James Callant Theater. It was, you know, it was probably not even, probably doesn't even exist anymore. James Cowan Theater. Yeah, and it didn't help with school, but, but I fell in love and I went to Vancouver Youth Theater and there was an agency there and it kind of just, so whatever fifth grade is,

whatever, whatever age that is, nine, ten. Were you a popular kid? I wouldn't say popular. I got along with everybody. I was, I was, you know, uh, were you a bit of a deviant? No, no. I got into some trouble. I got, well, yeah, I would say.

I would say my, the trouble came more in my, in my late teens, early 20s. when things started, when I got to Hollywood was when the trouble began. Oh, there we go. You know what I mean? But up until that point, you know, 8th grade, 9th grade, I was fine. I, you know, get a little trouble here and there. But did you know you were good? Did you feel like, hey, by the reaction of your peers or your teacher,

did you realize, hey, I got something here? I didn't think about it at all. I just wanted to do it. I knew it was going to do it. I always knew I was going to do it. And there was nothing going to stop me. It was never a hesitation. There was never like, uh, maybe I'm good enough to this. was always i'm going for this this is it wow yeah 18 when i was old enough to move out i moved out i moved down here went to the oak woods um that was it i was nothing was going to stop me i always knew that i i don't know what i would have done being in your shoes coming to hollywood

at that age yeah because it things didn't really happen to me it was very gradual it was like oh i booked a voiceover at you know 23 years old oh i did this short film oh i did this little whatever. And slowly, and all of a sudden, by the time I'm 26, 27, still not mature. I'm still not mature as we speak. Yeah. But I don't know what would have happened if I went to Hollywood at 18 years old. I probably wouldn't have lived. Yeah. It was probably was just not in the right mindset where I didn't have enough good. My surroundings weren't as healthy as they are now. I want to hang out with people that are positive. Sure.

So do you think you got into some trouble probably because everybody else around you was young and wanting to get in trouble? I think I was always going to struggle. I'm almost 20 years sober. Wow. Yeah, no. But I think I was always going to struggle with addiction eventually. It's all over my family, both sides. Hollywood just really amped it up.

you know what i mean it was it was when you get when you get here and you're 18 and you're you know you've got movies coming out and you're in the club and everybody wants to have a drink with you and everybody wants to you know do this or that it's it definitely sped things up um did you think you were invincible at that age oh yeah you didn't think you just you didn't think of you didn't think of consequences there's no cell phone cameras there was no you know you didn't think of you just everything was day by day and and and um and and and and it didn't think of you just everything was day and and it got crazy it got uh it got chaotic and um what got you out of it i took i think my agency when when it was when it was getting a little bit too bumpy they suggested i go home and i went

home and i quit i just that was it for acting it was i think it was 24 25 you quit i quit i quit till i was like 29 why um i had been doing it since the age of nine or 10 i'd been working steady i'd done school on set i i was i was burnt out i was um it was more important to me me like after say final destination or something it was more important for me on what party was going on that weekend or what then then the quality of scripts or the art of it anymore it was more important you know so did you quit your agency said i'm done i was quit it was suggested to me that that i needed to you know that was it for me and so i went home and it was suggested it was suggested that you should quit acting it was

suggest it was suggested i take a break and then i came up with just that was it i was done who said that my agency said that i mean that i should go home basically i should go back to vancouver and and just just take it off take take take a break sober up was that an like even though you kind of felt it was it an ego punch no because i went because i was so out of my mind that i went home and party for another couple years it was it was you know really yeah and and then and then it was rock bottom and then it you know i got sober um and i started you know doing real estate stuff and and and i had no idea about that and then like when i was 29 i got a i got a a script for max pain it was a hard copy in the mail like snail mail and um there was pages attached and i thought

what the hell you know and i missed it at that point i was like you know what i kind of i kind of after after hauling drywall upstairs on a building that we were renovating and and in the snow and and i was like i don't want to do this shit anymore i want to like i loved i loved being in the film business if he didn't send that script that you don't think you eventually i probably would have been back into it but it that script came at the right time it was really it was i was i was doing okay i was doing fine i was you know i was making a living i bought well i would i was making more than live i bought a couple of buildings and we were renovated I was doing I was I was getting by sweet and so I was doing I was getting by um you're a man's man

you can I was well I wouldn't go that far but yeah that we were doing a little of that and uh I missed the art I missed uh I miss creating and did you feel like at that point in your life was it more about you're letting everyone else down like your parents you know they're like you know you just quit this thing that you were good at and making a lot of money and you were you were you were a star and you were like in this movie and everything was going right and then you just quit it all and you're partying and this was it more of a disappointment you felt towards or a combination of your no it was it had nothing to do with anybody else it felt like you know what i'm going to get to the point where i'm 50 or 60 years old and i'm going to regret walking away from something

that i spent so much time building and it's been four or five years you know i can get back into it easy it wasn't that easy by the way it was there's a lot of doors closed still um because they probably assumed oh you're the same guy who was partying exactly That's stuff. There was a lot of people that didn't want to see me. But I remember a couple of different people that were close to me saying that it was crazy to go back to LA. You're crazy. It's not going to happen. It's done. You're crazy. And it was the same attitude I had, you know, when I was a teenager. It was like, you know, I'm going to go do it. That's it. I'm just going to get back into it. I'm going to do it. And that's it. No one's going to tell me now. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you say.

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Quince.com slash inside of you. So you move back to L.A. I move back to L.A. How soon, I mean, right after you got that movie? I didn't get the movie. You didn't get that movie? No, I got a call from a management company from the casting director to love the tape

and I was up for the movie. I don't know who got the part, but I didn't get the movie, but all of a sudden I had a manager. You know what I mean? Right. And I was back in. They started sending you out. How soon after did you start to see some success where you started booking stuff? It's about a year, I think.

And at that point where you... Phil Glasser actually gave me a movie. I came back and he gave me a movie with Judd Nelson and Tom Arnold. What was it? It was called the... What was it called? Endure. And Joey Lauren Adams was in it.

It was like a small little indie movie, but... And he gave you a little break. He gave me a little break. It was a lead in that movie. And so that was my first kind of thing back. And then I did this show called Nikita for the CW for four or five years. And Nikita, you were just a guest star, right? I started off as a guest star.

And then I became a series regular by season three. And that has to do something for your confidence. Well, it was interesting because I, before that, I'd come from doing Final Destination and these movies where I was the lead of these these things and all of a sudden I'm you know number eight or nine on the call sheet and we got everybody that's way above me so it was humbling it was a good show it was great yeah great cast great directors but you know it was humbling it was like okay I'm I got to climb back up the ladder again yeah it was a great show to be on that was a great show to start the journey yeah because you didn't want to start out well I guess you did start out by

Phil Glasser gave you the lead role in a movie yeah were you nervous coming back yeah were you like what was it about the rooms because i hadn't dealt with a lot of the rooms before um the rooms as in additioning right i've been getting offers before um so the rooms were petrifying to me it was it was you know walking to this room full of all these actors and what the hearts just thumping and that was get in the way yeah yeah and were you like how do i beat this how do i the the pandemic helped a lot believe it or not when things started are going to tapes. I still can't go into rooms.

I think rooms are... I hate rooms. Rooms are, it's, you know, certain type of actor, you know, flourishes in a room situation. I'm good in a room, but I don't like necessarily auditioning. Yeah. I don't have the gift for gaps. You hear these other, when walls are paper thin, you hear these other actors going in and like talking about the weather and, oh, it's great to see you.

And so they assume, oh, he's probably not easy to work with. He's not talking to us. He's not... I don't want to talk to anybody. I want to go in there. I want to read my lines. I want to be in character. The rooms suck.

It was, it was, that was the hardest thing about going back, was getting in those rooms. I remember I did this movie, but I auditioned for this movie. And I went in and the character was sort of an asshole. And I went in and I was that asshole. Yeah. And my agent called me and said, your audition was awesome. They thought you were great for the part. But the director doesn't know.

He just feels like he might like you wrote, maybe rubbed him the wrong way or he thought you might not. be easy to work with see that's the whole thing i mean like and i said what i was playing a part yeah i don't know you know and um he was really considering me but he was also and i go do me a favor give me his number i never forget this name was wali walladarski and they go i don't think this is a good idea you shouldn't do this you know maybe we could try to set something i go i'm in vancouver i'm shooting the pilot for smallville right and he um they they said okay and they gave me his number I go, Wally, oh, hey, Michael, Wally, hey, man, I just want you to know that when I went in an audition, I just, I tried to just be this asshole. But if you ask anybody I've ever worked with, I'm a lot of fun.

I always know everybody's name on the crew and cast and I make jokes and I'm having funny and I, fun. And I promise you, if you cast me, it's going to be a great time for everyone. Because I am easy to work with. and I hope you didn't feel it way. He's like, oh, okay, you know, Michael, I really appreciate this. And I go, and I thought, fuck, all right. He's like, all right, take care. Thanks for the call.

Yeah. And I said, great. And I go, no way. He didn't even, you know. You got it. And I got it. Nice. And it was just because man to man, I said, no, I'm not listening to what my agents tell me.

Yeah. I'm going to fucking call this guy. But back to what you're saying, you go in there and you don't have the gift of gab. That's not your thing. I act. That's what I do. Yeah. I want you to hire me.

because i'm an actor not because i'm a fucking yeah i'm messing your d right now right right you know yeah yeah that's that's that's the that's the that's the did you bomb auditions oh yeah what was the biggest bomb for the biggest movie you can remember where you're like oh my god here's an opportunity i just blew because i have a lot of those uh uh parenthood the tv show really yeah did you audition for the dachs role i don't even know right yeah probably right most likely right right but i thought it was a direct parenthood kind of like it could it was that kind of Steve Martin thing Steve Martin right I didn't know that when you're sliding in the first day exactly so I went I went full fucking comedy on it and I just remember them just looking at me like I was fucking nuts and then I watched the show and it's very grounded and yeah

you know what I mean yeah and uh I just remember that room after it was like I I just felt like I just wanted to be out of there as quickly as possible they were they were they just looked at me like I was insane. Yeah. Why don't they give you direction? I don't know. I think I was so, so far

the other way. I did that with Mike Judge. I was excited. He's one of my idols and I went for this movie and I thought I got to be as weird and fucking just nonlinear as I possibly can

for this audition. I brought like a statue and put it on his desk of a golden retriever and he just goes, oh, okay. I go, that's for you. Yeah. And then I went in and I just did this audition.

It was just like, that was just a choice I made. Right. And afterwards, I thought, I don't know. That was kind of good. And I called my manager at the time, Michael Rotenberg. And I said, Roody, dude, how to go? He's like, what did you do in there? And I go, killed it?

Yeah. He goes, Mike Judge says he's never felt more uncomfortable with an audition in his life. That's crazy because you hear- I go, what? You hear stories like that all the time when people do that kind of shit and it, that's why they got the bar. I try to be different. Yeah.

And I was so the opposite of what he was looking at for. Yeah, the final destination six directors, when they had their meeting with the studio to pitch their idea, they faked a death in, they were on, it was a Zoom. thing and they fake their they somehow faked i didn't see it but they fake their death in the zoom meeting to the studio and that's how they got the i thought you're going to say they didn't get it no they got it they got it got it by doing this like crazy death fake on zoom for their meeting for the pitch meeting so did you ever think that final destination would be the hit it was when you were filming now no um to tell you the truth we didn't i didn't know i didn't know

a lot. I couldn't figure out a lot. It was all practicals. Yeah, I missed that. So, so, so you, you know, especially the bus, the bus sequence where, you know, we shot it over two days and they're shooting this thing and then they're shooting that thing. And then to see it all put together finally is that's when you realize, holy shit, that's good. You know what I mean? But you didn't, you didn't really, it felt good as you were shooting, but you didn't know how good, you know. Were you, I mean, do you still, A, get nervous while on set? You know, you know, know for your performance uh do you kind of go in and out of that um way back when when you did like final destination you seem kind of fearless you probably weren't nervous yeah um i was there was

definitely a lot more fearlessness back when like idle hands for instance yeah i i wish i could get back into that kid's head because that kid was rolling downstairs and doing all this shit and like he just i remember the addition for it um i went into a meeting full of studio execs and in suits And it was doing my best, Bruce Campbell, just like throwing myself into walls and over furniture. And I don't get nervous on it. Bruce Campbell right there, signed it. He's a legend. I worked with him on a moving recently.

I did tell worked with him on a failed pilot. He's as good as you'd hope he got me really high one day. And we rode bikes through Burbank. Oh, that's amazing. I was like going, dude, I cannot go any further. I am really high right now. I took one hit off your joint. He was like, you're fine.

Come on. That's amazing. He was great. good dude he was a great dude yeah um yeah i always say that i always think wow that ambitious young fearless kid yeah um and then you start to get older and you start to think about things too much yeah right we're over thinking things yeah we're not we don't have that that same sort of fuck it mentality yeah is that what happened there's a little of that i um i definitely lost some of the the fearlessness, but, but I don't get nervous at all. I feel like set is my home. I really get

in a, yeah, I get really comfortable on set. I can do, I don't get nervous at all. I'm, no matter what, even if you're dealing with big actors. I got, I got, I'm, I was just going to say, I got nervous with Gene Smart. Um, I don't know why. I think it was because, I mean, everybody loves that show. And I remember my agents were just all over. They were like, you got to do this show. You've got to do. You got to. And so when I got it, it was, you know, it was so. the nervousness was so built up I just sat in my trailer and luckily she knocked on my door

and introduced herself and it kind of went away but that was one of the only times believe it or not I got nervous and I've been working with like Trevolta and Stallone and all these people but Gene Smart is who

who got me nervous Stallone you didn't get nervous with no not at all was he cool? Yeah was he very giving like Devin why don't you try like this? I think so yeah I think so I think he was not what I expected

he was I worked with that too I loved him Yeah he comes He just shows up with a cigar In his mouth And he starts speaking And he's like oh my God

It's Stallone What do it? Yeah We're filming a one You got like six hours left What's going on Yeah it's like Jesus fucking Christ

He was great I liked him a lot Do you have any stories About Stallone Any funny moments Any like kind of Now I remember we did this This we had the John Wick

Stunt team And we rehearsed this big stunt thing for me it was he and i were supposed to fight in this big final finale and um and we worked for two weeks on this thing and it was there was elbows and kicks and all the shit they ever hit you by accident well we five we finally show it to stalone because he had his double doing you know what i mean and he's like no i don't like it and it's like oh so we went back and we rehearsed it again and uh we showed him on the day just before we're ready to show he still didn't like it so he He goes, we're going to get in there and fight.

I was like, what does that mean? So we'll get in there, we're just going to fight. So we got in this little cement cell, and we just kind of like two kids, you know, pulling punches and just, you know, fighting, whatever. Faking it. It was like two kids, like two 10-year-olds fighting, you know what I mean? Did it look good? It looked great.

It turned out amazing. I mean, I didn't get the hit because I was, I'm the bad guy. I'm supposed to die. So he's, you know, I'm taking. Did he ever hit you by accident? I'm taking bumps. Did you take some hard ones? I took one.

headlock that was that it hurt it was did you say hey can you ease up a little bit no Stallone i'll recover i'll recover from but there's one to between takes one time he's like you you remember rocky two and i'm up against the ropes and i was i was like oh my god he's referencing rocky fucking too this is amazing um and it was yeah it was just it was a phenomenal you know what's funny is i think now people are really starting to that didn't know assumed like yo he's rockies rambo he's this yeah the guy guy wrote and directed so much and he not money so when he says no we're just going to do this yeah he knew it was a machine the thing was we had a lot of different we had batista was on this and he had a

love to yeah he had a fight with his his stunt double and it was more of a you know brutal wrestling kind of fight a lot of slams a lot of whatever and then we has a few Asian actors that come from this really kung fuey kind of karate you know and that so it was all you know that kind of stuff and so he felt like as a contrast to a lot of these different fights we needed to be just kind of sloppy and big haymakers and it looked good it looked great man it looked great jesus yeah that's cool i'd love to actually have a fight scene was still long it was fun you know it's funny is like i got to work with them for a while and so after the days we started joking around and really build a rapport together and yeah and i started fucking with him and like he would fuck with me and like we talked about back surgeries we had the same

surgeon he's like you had that you had that surgeon i'm like yeah yeah he's like i'm fucking ass so never i i text him he doesn't text me back yeah i'm like wow i don't know what to tell you man yeah but he was always somebody told me before meeting him like because i i was like what i would you know what should i do whatever do i need to watch i just be real he just that's what he likes he just likes he just likes real don't be fucking fake he doesn't like fake people just fucking be real and and that's it that's all and you'll get along fine i said do on set i'll never forget this is on guardians three and i we were sitting there and i go he said something and i did an impression of him or something in front of him he's like hey your impression's

good he's that watch it you know and he's sitting there and i go dude i got to tell you man i'm not blowing smoke up your ass i'm just saying you're like really funny i'm surprised you don't do a lot of more comedies i mean you're really you really made me laugh man he goes you know that's the thing i get on set all the time everybody thinks are most serious and shit i like to have fun you know it would be fun right and i could see he liked that i was like you know kind of shooting the shit and you know yeah he was yeah he was fun it's it's fun working with your idols when they when they turn out to be cool that's why it was it was a no-brainer doing the movie because you know along with horrors which i primarily watched schwarzenegger and stalone and bruce willis and these guys i mean that's

that's who i was raised who's your idol i would i would have been it would have been schwarzenegger then Stallone as far as Schwarzenegger why Schwarzenegger man I just everything raw deal Conan Conan Conan Red Son you whatever whatever whatever Schwarzenegger movie was coming out at ABC video I was all over it or video whatever you know I was all over it who's and that's always been still to this day I mean he hasn't he hasn't really been doing much well I'm just saying in general it's like if you had an idol your whole life you're like the one guy I want Well, well, no, until about 15 and then I saw Pulp Fiction and then everything changed for me as an artist. It was like, it just was the right movie at the right time.

That was like, holy shit. Like before that, it was all fun. It was like going to say it was fun. I was going to make these fun movies and hang out with other kids. And then I saw Pulp Fiction and it was kind of like, I was at that age. It was like, oh, shit, this is, that could do something different. This is different now. This is art.

Look how artsy this is. Yeah. Look how cool this is. And Chavolta was cool? Chivalta was awesome. I've done two movies with him. He's really... What did you do with Trowalta?

I did this one movie called Life on the Line, which is an electrical line movie. Phil Glasser produced it. Wow. Yeah. And so he must have like, okay, and what was the next one? The next one was Fred Durs directed. Yes. Yes.

The fanatic. An interesting film. It was an interesting film. It was... Did you have fun on it? I had a great time. Fred Ders is amazing. Trevolta, he threw everything into it.

You know, say, what you will about the film but that guy came every day like he was going after that oscar for this film i mean really he showed up in his wardrobe everybody was to call him moose um it was like he was sit in his chair and he would you know rock and could you talk to him like as chivalta or is he that character mostly the character so you don't really have a lot of too much conversation with him we did we had some but he was mostly trying to go for that you know i'm in character now everybody needs to you know did you hug it out on your last day we we we we Did you ever hang out?

We did, yeah. You did? Yeah, he loves to tell stories. He's out of everyone I've worked with, he's the one that wants to sit down and tell you about Studio 54 or the time he, you know, was running with Muhammad Ali in Miami or when him and Sean Penn went down to Mexico and to, he's got stories that and it's, and all you want to do is listen because they're so, you know, iconic and they're all from the 70s and early 80s and she. Yeah. And I bet he loves talking about flying. He does. He does.

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Still one of the most favorite things I've done. That's one of the most iconic things ever. Yeah. Was it just Eminem wanted you? No. I think, look, I'll never really know, but I heard that it was Dr. Dre. It was a big Final Destination fan. They went after McCauley Culkin first.

And McCauley Culkin couldn't do it for whatever reason. And a friend of mine called. called me. My agent's trying to talk me out of it. They were like, Eminem. I don't know. This sounds, you know, but I did it anyways. Did that do anything for your career? Did you become friends with Eminem? He wasn't there a lot. Right. He wasn't there a lot. Did it do anything for my career? I don't know if it did, but it's definitely one of the top five things that I think that I'll go to the grave most proud about. Why is that? It's, it's, I'm a huge hip-hop fan. I've always been a huge hip-hop fan. Do you know every line of the song? I had to learn

every line of the song um i probably could was it hard to learn that yeah they told me on the day and you're to learn it in a day they told me the day of um by the way we're going to have you lip sync this this verse um but it's just dray i grew up with dray what was the verse the last verse when i'm when i'm when i'm when i'm you're not gonna i'm not gonna i'm not gonna i'm not gonna sing i i i'll you know the words i'll butcher it i don't know i don't remember right now that's all right um it was hard on the day though it was it was i remember drake coming in during after one take and being like hey could you know you can you try the little more rhythm you know you're little off it's like oh well okay well i just learned this yeah just got this guys

i'm not a rapper but you had fun doing it yeah i remember there was like a lot of rain that was all rain machines all rain machines there was it was um two days Two days? Three days. Three days. D12 was there. Cypress Hill was there. Some of the Lakers were there.

It was. Just watching. It was a nutty party kind of atmosphere. It was, you know. That make you nervous? No. No. It was like we were, there was chaos going on around.

A lot of pot. A lot of people smoking pot. I don't think onset. I think there might have been offset, among, among other things. But I remember Drey and Philip Atwell who directed it, myself, the DP and a few other Dido who looked pet. the entire time she was there because I'm just looking at her like is she beautiful she's yeah she is beautiful and she's very talented but I remember being a zone like there's just a small group of people

were in a zone and everybody else around us was kind of just like a like was a circus going on you know what I mean wow but one of the most memorable because do you think it's most memorable because of the the response to it or was it all of it it was it was it was a it was a response it was it was there wasn't a lot of the Michael Jackson and then Aerosmith there wasn't a lot of these movie type videos yeah this was kind of like a they made it a movie um and then the song itself is just brilliant I mean it's it's brilliant it could be like one of the top five Eminem top three M&M songs right yeah yeah most memorable for sure I mean you got to do some cool shit yeah ended up doing videos for bands that never went anywhere yeah they would I mean literally nowhere they just

start it's just like hey can you be in this video I'm like yeah nothing happened yeah i i knew it was going to be big i yeah like that's why i had to like i had agents and managers like you can't do it i don't think you should do it's not good and i just i knew that it was going to be i mean this is trl like this is like it was i knew this video was going to play on loop for a couple of months and it yeah and that's when hollywood partying started to like really and all the all the girls probably in hollywood or whatever and the guys they were like oh you're the your stand exactly by it so you're watching buy a drink for Stan and they knew they recognized you from that you got recognized a lot from

yeah people would start talking i bet it didn't pay much at all no nothing nothing nothing i'm i don't know exactly how much couple grand or whatever sure sure we we weren't doing it for you know there wasn't a lot of negotiation powers like you want to do this or not yeah yeah all right all right i'm i'm the biggest horror movie fan as you can see yeah i know you love horror love it uh chucky i mean legendary. I'm good buddies with Tom Holland to create a Chuckie. Sure. And wrote the first, wrote the movie. How did this happen? Like, I'm sure you had to audition. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I think my agents were nervous about giving me this project that, you know. Because it

could seem like it's going to be really bad. It's going to be, you know. They didn't read it and it's, you know, it's Chuckie TV show, who knows. But the script is, the pilot was phenomenal. And I also had a feeling that mancini was going to do so mancini is the showrunner and i knew he was going to do something different with it and it felt uh he was he he was telling the stories that he wanted to tell you know it just felt important to be a part of you know what i like i like that it's the way it's shot yeah it's beautifully shot and the acting it's just that they're really they take it seriously they try to keep it grounded for yeah however we'd we'd be we let jennifer tilly be be a little bit

heightened and we try to ground everything and obviously chucky's you know he's also a comic relief um but it's been a blast man i hope it i hope it just keeps going how many seasons we're on season we just wrapped season three you know we we halfway through when the strike happens we shut down and we went back in in late november and through december and shot the rest how many episodes a year eight you shoot eight so you're done in like three and a half months yeah it's the only way i want to work. I know you did smallville was like 22 20 yeah 10 months a year yeah a little over that that's what the Nikita was just brutal yeah it's brutal yeah it's it's a lot did you ever get did you ever get there's like 10 or 12 season but how I I I left after seven I didn't want to do the next three so I bowed out

but um it was a lot we're uh you know we're doing our talkville podcast now which is rewatch smallville podcast right talk about but I never really watched the episodes so I have to go back and watch them And it's funny because I can appreciate the show. And, you know, but I definitely, I'm like, like, oh, my God. Is it procedural? Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, would you say it's kind of bad guy of the week? It, they do that a lot, but now they, a lot of times are also now weaving in stories and character development.

So there's a big story that kind of goes, but they've been away from Freak of the Week a little, but they still go back to it. It's kind of there, we need an episode, let's just make a freak of the week. It's easier to do that. And, but there's always stories going on and evolving. Right. But this is cliffhanger, right? Yeah.

Clifhanger TV, which is the best. This is one story through eight episodes, and then it kind of ends. And then we put it up again. Do you get all the episodes before you film? Yeah. All of them, they're done. Yeah. And how many days a week do you work?

Four or five. So you're working almost every day. I'm working a lot. First season, I played two characters. The second season was a priest. This season's a beast. Yeah, we work a lot. We work a lot.

What's the hardest thing about? You know what? There's nothing hard about it. I love it. I love it. I love this is I tell Mancini all the time and this is a once in a life. First of all, I get to play different characters all the time. He's, he, he kills me and brings me back as a new character. It's an artist's dream that I, you know, I get to. That's like a Jessica Lange and American Horror Story. Exactly. It's a once in a lifetime kind of kind of thing. You get to play different things. Yeah. It does sound like a role of a lifetime. It is. And so I'm excited going to work every day. The original movie, it's still the funniest line in the history of lines, is when Chuckie is in the elevator and the two old people are in there. And they go, oh, what an ugly doll. And they walk out and he goes, fuck you. Yeah. He's got a lot of that.

He's the king of Brad Dorff. It's still the voice. It's still Brad Dorff. Still Brad Dorff. I've always wanted Braddorf. I'm the biggest fan of Brad Dorff. We get some great conversations, Brad Dorff and I. he's you know he's intense he's he's he has a resume he has a resume he has a resume

watch him in exorcist three it's one of the best under the most underlook performances in the history of cinema but cuckoo's nest like how good was he in that film you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah he got nominated yeah yeah he's fantastic yeah he was in this movie i did urban legend i didn't get to work with him but um i came on set when he was filming that day he was in the opening scene and he's he has a stuttering part right and he's like the girl's leaving and she thinks he's coming after because he's weird right is a no no no no no no and she goes no leave me alone he he he he he he's in the back seat wow they gave him a stuttering part it was kind of a stuttering he couldn't get it out and it worked but you know he did that so many years ago yeah yeah yeah yeah

it was different he's a genius phenomenal you want to tell you the best series on tv that no one talks about there's two okay the first one is season one of dark i never heard of it trust me everyone i've told when they watch it is that the foe no okay it's just this german tv show it's the most brilliant show i've ever seen it's called dark but watch it subtitle don't overdub in american voices right is that on netflix uh i think so right and the second one is a show called to the lake It's the Russian sort of apocalypse, I guess, and there's this pandemic going on, but it is the most intense, character-driven, amazing show. They have to get to the lake to survive. Okay.

And it's all these families and these people, and it's just the style is unreal. Dark and to the lake. Dark, I'll text you. Okay. Trust me. I need a new show right now. Trust me. They're so good.

And there's not a lot of shows that that do that for me, where they're just like, I can't wait for this come out. It's funny because the second season for whatever, you know, at odds with Russia and all this, it didn't come out. It came out, but it didn't come to the States or whatever. Right. So my friend illegally downloaded it. Perfect. Can I say that? And I watched the season two just now.

Just don't say your friend's name. Yeah, John. Zero, zero. Do you ever see that? No. it's a family that owns a shipping company that's shipping drugs between italy the italian o's three ohs three zero zero zero three words all one one word um is it intense it's great it's i can't believe more people didn't talk about it's one season one and done uh family that owns a shipping company helping the italian mafia in italy smuggle drugs to the mexican mafia in mexico and it's they get kind of caught up and in both worlds are you're seeing both worlds it's pretty awesome did you ever watch i never watched norcos i bet you like that i didn't i didn't want i watched like one or two seasons yeah that's the thing i watch one or two seasons i'm like i get it i get it

people love succession i that same thing i thought was phenomenal i got one season and i'm like yeah i watched through four episodes and i was like i had so much dysfunction growing up that i'm like i get it it's great these guys are great i don't want to watch this yeah i can't watch this yeah there's a couple shows like the bear a great show yeah great show but i'm sweating a the end of it. I'm too stressed and it's not a good stress. I like the bear. He's great. I just was like, you know, uh, you know, uh, I couldn't do it. But I mean, yeah, anyway, uh, what, lastly, what do you besides keep, you know, doing Chucky continuing to do the show until they don't want to do it anymore. Yeah. What else would you like to do? What else do you want to do more

movies? Would you like to get another series like this? Listen, I love doing movies. I love the fact that you get a script you know how it's going to end you know you know you know you know who's on it the problem with it I mean we didn't get this so much with chucky because we got all eight scripts so we knew but like for instance Nikita we were flipping to the back of the scripts every time we get one to see if we got a bullet you know what I mean so I kind of like doing movies more um what does your wife think well she wants me to do movies too is you go you go away for a month you know two tops then you're back um chucky was hard on us we did that i did chucky during the the first year what is the film toronto in films where you're from there yeah i had to sign something the

first year saying that i would go up there and i couldn't go back and my family couldn't come up for for they could come up that was in the deal i mean that's are they making you sign a divorce paper this just if if i wanted to do it that's the the deal that i had to make did they eventually allow them the visit yeah yeah season two was the same same same kind of they were they were like they made it very hard for me to go home they came up but it was difficult right it was it was more the canadian border because you had to quarantine for 14 days oh that's yeah yeah yeah that makes sense if you went if you went back to l a lay to visit for the weekend you'd have to go home and quarantine for 14 days i got you i wasn't thinking pandemic

i thought that's why that's why we're like what no no no that's the deal that's why we had to make the deal is because no there's no way they're giving me what 16 days every time i want to go visit my family right right right it was the pandemic that's why um would you be happy if your kids wanted to become actors yeah but they're not they they um they're right now in theater just because it's part of school and whatnot if they wanted to join an agency and i don't think i would i wouldn't allow it right now um they can act their little hearts out in school and you know community theaters or whatever it is until they're 18 and then they couldn't do whatever they want lastly how much for the sweatshirt uh i get you one no no no not get you one just tell me

where where you got roots of fight roots roots roots of fight like i live in this stuff you're gonna you're roots of fight roots of fight go to that website and look at all their stuff they've got wrestling baseball they got all old school shit it's really they got that one they got that one it's beautiful rowdy rowdy 1984 that's right baby you love wrestling I used to. I used to religiously watch wrestling and basketball. I won't watch either anymore. Hockey's my sport.

I grew up watching hockey. Well, Toronto, the Reefs, baby. Yeah. Thai Domi back in the day? I was from Vancouver. Huh? I'm from Vancouver. Oh, so we had the Canucks.

Oh, yeah, the Canucks. We beat you in 1994. Who is our? Paolo Buree. Yeah, I know, but who is our Thai Domi? You didn't have, well, Bertuzi made that dirty hip, but that was later. No, but we had one guy. I got a blanket on the name.

No one would care listening except you and me. No, yeah, you're right. You're probably right. No, but people are like a hockey. Oh, it's such a good interview. Gino Ocheck. That's who it was. Gina Ocheck? That's who it was.

Gino Ocheck. I kind of remember that. He was our guy. During the Pabal Boree, Trevor Linden kind of. He protected him. Yeah, he was our get up there on the ice. That shit doesn't happen anymore. No.

I mean, there's still fights and stuff. Nah. Man, they toned it down a little bit. A little bit down. Dude, this has been a joy. I hope you had fun. I really love talking to you. Thank you, sir.

And by the way, it's funny because I took my friends, as we know, were horror fans to Monster Palooza and Burbank. And you were a guest there. Yeah. Thankfully, because I went in there and they were going to leave me passes just to check it out. And she's like, oh, yeah, your name's not here. And I'm like, Devin! And I saw you and I gave you a hug.

And I go, hey, he's a friend of mine. That's my boy. You're like, yeah, yeah. And they let me in. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad. It was fun, man.

You like doing those cons? Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. It's nice to see the people who appreciate it. The fans are phenomenal. Yeah. The fans are phenomenal.

And, you know, I was very nervous doing it the first time. And then you realize there's, you get a lineup of people telling you the nicest shit all day long. And it really warms your heart. Awesome. But yeah, I do remember once in a while. Anything coming up besides Chuckie? Just Chuckie. That's all you need right now.

That's enough time. Yeah. The new episode is April. Give me that. It just was announced today. So we are looking at... Today. April 10th.

April 10th, sci-fi, USA, and Peacock. And then YouTube in a couple days after that. April 10th? April 10th. April 10th, guys. Chuckie, it's so much fun. You got to check it out. Maybe he'll help me would get Brad Dorff on the show.

I'll try. I think he would love to. I'd love it. You can just tell we work together in Urban Legend and all that stuff. But this has been a joy, man. I'm glad you came on. continued success. Thank you. Maybe one day therapy. Who knows? I should. I should. All right. See you. Thanks, brother.

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So I got this when we did our intros. I had already ordered one because I wanted one so bad. So we're sort of matching in a weird way. So, well, that's what it was. Yeah. He was wearing this rowdy, Roddy Piper sweatshirt. So now I am. So thank you for listening.

didn't listen to the intro i urge you to go to my instagram at the micha rosenbaum and link tree and all the stuff is there if you want to see the live podcast or the smallville con or cameo or other conventions tom and i will be at um also rosy's puppy fresh breath on amazon it's on my link tree a new product i have and um a lot of good stuff i'm writing a horror movie ryan you said yeah i'm very excited i'm like 65 i wrote 65 pages in like four days damn and it's really coming together and i hope it's something i can direct i think it's scary and creepy and cool and action packed and so let's see if i can get the sucker made you know how much i talk about horror movies you do i do you want it's very hard it's very hard to get things made i've

written a lot of things and um we'll see what happens we'll see what happens if it's low budget off you can a low budge yeah i have to make it low budget but some of the deaths are not uh cheap we've got underwater shit we've got uh crashes we've got a lot of uh prosthetics we've got uh dismemberments we have some crazy shit going on decapitations but it's not it's a good story it's kind of like that scream feel that i know what you did last summer feel that it follows feel anyway hopefully we'll get this made but you know how stuff goes people will ask me a year from that five years from know what happened to and i i don't know it never got made but well hopefully we'll get it made yeah anyway thank you for listening right now we're going to do a shout out to the patrons we'd love you guys

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