Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Dolph Lundgren

Episode Date: July 30, 2019

Dolph Lundgren (Rocky IV, The Expendables, Creed II) opens up about the adversity he faced growing up in a physically abusive household, plus how he’s been able to overcome it all with disciplined psychotherapy, meditation, and physical fitness. Dolph also discusses the ascension of his career in Hollywood coming up around the likes of Grace Jones, Michael Jackson, Andy Warhol, and his longtime friend (Rocky himself) Sylvester Stallone. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Light the path to a brighter future with stellus lenses for myopia control. Learn more at SLOR.com. And ask your family eye care professional for SLR Stellist lenses at your child's next visit. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. If he dies, he dies. I was wondering how long it would take you to get to Dolf. Dahl F, Lundgren, man. Dolf Lungren, dude.

Rocky 4, the Russian. Let me tell you something. If you haven't seen Rocky 4, you should because it's a legendary movie. And he played legendary Ivan Drago. The dude was a chemical engineer. He's a smart dude. we rubbed honest hemp balm on each other not on each other i put honest balm on my my neck he put it on his ankle we had a bonding moment he got you know he really enjoyed i can tell he really was enjoying

the uh the interview and i like that i like that when people actually have fun like i'm a people pleaser as you know and meia is here with me Mia in case i'm going to say it again me is a trans woman if i if you ever in the past heard me you refer to tyler our engineer slash podcast rob's not here but Mia is right or in the future some of those episodes haven't aired yet either right yeah that's true if you hear the word tyler it's me hey guys just so you know anyway dulf lunger talks about gosh i mean so many things i mean grace jones yeah you know going out with grace jones and their relationship and uh going to the dance clubs and um you don't expect ivan drago to have so much insight about life like he has so much to say about

his career and the way that his life has been yeah incredible not only that but he helped he helped he helps me. There were just things that he said that was very profound about how we act as an adolescent. He really didn't learn a lot until he was in his 40s. He goes, I really didn't get it. Anyway, you guys are going to love this one. Let's get inside, Dolf Lundgren. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience Yeah, right?

I like it. You sound like sly. Did you do a sly? Hey, Doc, you liked his knife? Fucking great, right? You hang out with him all the time, don't you? Yeah, I like Stallone. He's a nice guy and, uh,

You know, smart guy, and we're just friends. We've done, what, six films together, so. What, expendables one, two, Rocky, four, three. Three, expendables, uh, Rocky four. Masters of the universe. No, uh, Creed two. Creed two. So why does that five? Five films.

Jesus. So what does he do? You, you know, you're, though, you know, I thought you might want to do this. And you're like, are you going to pay me, you cheap bastard? Is that what the conversation is? No, no, he's, um, we have some similarities. Although he's, you know, from Italian stock. I'm from Sweden, blonde.

He's, you know, Italian dark. But there's something similar because we both did sports and we both had, I think, similar upbringing in some ways. And that's why I think we get along on another level somehow and deeper level, just not to business or acting, you know. Yeah, because you're both smart. Like I read about you. I didn't know how you, like, studied chemical engineering.

You watch, look, here's a reality. When people watch expandable. as Rocky 4, all your action movies, you've worked with everything. You know, people look at you and go, I doubt he's a chemical engineer. They think, you know, they look at me, I'm an actor, they probably think, oh, this guy's an idiot, he dropped out of school, he just memorized his lines. But you know what I'm saying? He's a moron.

Like I would say, he's a moron. Is a moron. Are people usually shocked when they hear you say that you? Because you're an educated guy. Well, some people are. I mean, a lot of people know it by now. It took 35 years. But a lot of people know that I did engineering.

And they're a bit surprised, I guess, why, you know, how you would go from one to the other. But, yeah, I don't play a lot of chemical engineers in the movies. I don't think there are a lot of scripts written for engineers or playing an engineer, or a nuclear physicist or something. I was thinking about it, actually. There was a play about Nils Bohr, who was a physicist, you know, in the 30s. And he actually helped against, well, the Nazis were trying to put, fabricate a bomb. And so it was the Americans.

he actually helped to kind of hold the German effort back by talking to a German nuclear physicist. And he met him in like 1940 or something like that. And Denmark, Denmark was occupied by the Germans. Anyway, there's a play about it, which is quite interesting. And he was about my age at the time. So I always thought it would be kind of a shocker to show up as Neil's Boar. To play him?

Play him. Yeah, why not? That would be too. I did study engineering, so I would understand what they're talking about. But it's not... You should have been in Chernobyl. Did you see the Chernobyl TV show? Yeah, I saw it, yeah.

I could see you playing one of those guys. Yeah, but I did play, like Russians. So maybe I go for a Dane for a change. Yeah, Dane, right? That's what you want to play. Actually, he wrote the letter to Einstein that kind of alerted Einstein who lived in America at the time

because he was running away from the Nazis. He alerted him about the fact that there was a way to split the atom to create this incredible energy. And then Einstein wrote a letter to to Roussefelt. And that's the letter that started off the Manhattan Project.

So that's kind of what the play is about. Which is quite interesting because it changed the history. And does it get to the anola gay taking the bombs to? Not into play. Not in the play. Kind of hard to do that on stage.

I have to reread it. But it's more about him and his wife about Nielsborn and his wife and this German who came to Copenhagen he was running Hitler's program, but somehow war got to him

so after the war they realized that he'd helped to hold the Germans back hold the program back now I think you're just bragging like you know because first the chemical engineering

but now history so we're gonna go to every subject we're gonna see how much you know well look I think it is about engineering I realize now as I get older that I think I just wanted to squeeze a lot out of life

you know I was in engineering and then I ended up doing sports ended up you know working kind of as you know as an actor you work with your emotions and you're the kind of interior of yourself and you're more of a psychological emotional work so yeah i'm trying to just see what else there is to do because you know life is quite short and uh you know i just want i just want to get a full experience well that's what i'm looking i'm looking at this like uh you know you go in the wikipedia and you go all over the internet you see all these things about you i was blown away that how much adversity you faced

along with how much you've done you know what I mean yes that was that was and I think that's what I was really drawn is that you know you know growing up wasn't the easiest thing for you and I think a lot of people can relate to that a lot of people had tough childhoods and you know when you think yours is bad then you hear another story and that's worse than yours and um you know the the ideas to grow up and try to get over it make your own life be a better father be a better whatever and so that's what like it hit me it's like this is a guy who had a a lot of shit man as a kid and it's like how do you get through that how do you tell another kid who's going through shit out there like you can get through this uh i don't know

i mean i had to work on it myself first i didn't really i wasn't ready to help other people because i had i was suffering from my own trauma from my childhood uh up until about six about five six years ago really really yeah more or less i mean i you know i had well i think i had because my dad was very violent, right? So when you live in an environment where you're not safe, where you feel threatened, and like a soldier on the battlefield, you may die any day, you develop PTSD, you know, and then you, what happens is, I did this TED talk about it, actually, something called Escape Syndrome, when you try to escape that feeling that's inside you

by drinking or having sexual encounters, affairs, of violence. Some people go through self-mutilations and things like that, but I think I escaped it by being involved in contact sports, you know, hockey, and then, of course, martial arts, karate boxing. And then as an actor, you can escape it too. You can hijack it and use it. But it doesn't mean, if you hijack, it doesn't mean that you get rid of it.

It can still run your life. Yeah, but what about, like, when you say you went to combat sports, was that because in your head you're like, I got to get stronger and bigger so I could beat the shit out of my dad? Yeah. Was that what you were thinking? Well, I think so. I don't think if I plan to beat the shit out of him, I don't know,

but I plan to not get hurt again, not let it happen again. So by the time I started it, I was about 13, and my dad had already kicked me out of the house to my grandparents because I think as a certain age, even if you beat a kid who's seven, that's one thing if you beat somebody who's 13, 14, the boys becoming a man or a young man, and it becomes a different deal,

becomes a little more, I think, a little scarier for the, for the guy who beats a boy that age, because he can hit back or you have to hit him harder and maybe you'll hurt him. Maybe you'll really hurt him, which I don't think he wanted to really hurt me. He just wanted to take his own frustration out, you know. I mean, you called yourself a run, though. I look at you now, you're 6'5. You're like, what are you? 2.30?

Yeah, 2.30. I mean, you're in perfect shape. Uh-huh. I'm not hitting on you, dog. No, no. I mean, you're a handsome. guy, it's okay, it's okay. I'm just saying, I'm looking at you, I'm like going, how old are you? Um, 61. So, how do you do it though? Well, that's, well, part of it was probably, I was very

driven as a kid and I, you know, worked out a lot and I was trying to, I realized karate was, you know, good for me. I was a very good fighter. I, I had that killing, a killer instinct, you know, when I got hurt, it made me better, you know, because he either fight to flight. So I would turn, if I got hurt. Actually, I would let the opponent hurt me a bit, usually. I would try. That got you going? Mm-hmm. So you want to be hit so you can get mad. Yeah. Well, you're not really get mad as you don't get mad. You just comes like a feeling of survival that takes over that gives you an extra energy push. It doesn't mean you hate the person. It just means like you can overcome them and you can beat them. So you're not one of those guys that likes to go out swinging. You're like the guy that gets hit

and then goes, so wait a minute. Are you saying that Dolph Lundgren is kind of like, Ivan Drago? Ivan Drago. Did he want to get hit? I don't want to jump to that. But I'm just saying, you know, he can get hit, but then he just goes after it. It makes him more mad. He just gets more ferocious.

No. Yeah, in one way. I don't know. I was always, I think I was the only kid who arrived at the dojo with a, you know, with a briefcase, you know, wearing a dress in a shirt and tie, you know, from school, you know, from college, from engineering school. So obviously I used it as some kind of relief of my emotional state. It wasn't like I wanted to be a champion. That just happened.

Were you popular in high school? I was getting kind of popular as I got better in karate because usually doing well in physics and chemistry doesn't help you much with the chicks, you know. It doesn't. And I didn't realize that I was very, very shy with girls. I still am sort of thing. But I was very shy. I didn't have a girlfriend until I was about 20.

Well, not really. until I met Grace, which when I was Grace Jones when I was about 25. That was your first girlfriend? Well, you had sex before then. Yeah, I did. Yes, I did. Yeah, thanks for filling us in on that. Bad attempts at it, you know.

Well, I still have those bad attempts. I mean, I'm not always, in fact, I apologize. I'll just say, hey. I used to, too, yeah. You know, sorry, it was so fast. Compliments to you. Yeah, well, mine was, mine weren't even like good. So it was less, it was not as successful as that.

Well, that's good. You're at least admitting that you're not perfect. That's true, yeah. I think that's what drives people forward that you have an inside feeling of yourself that you're not perfect. And that makes you, well. I think that's what hinders me, actually. Like, my biggest thing is I, I think you are perfect.

No. No. I don't think I'm perfect. No, I really, here's the thing. I try to. There will be back anyway. You can do them all. Can you do all the impressions?

You do Schwarzenegger, do Sloan? Well, I can do this guy, you know. Wow, does the Randall? All right, so, all right, real quick, if you do impressions, I'll be, you'll be, you'll be, you'll be Stallone. No, I don't want to do them too much. I already did it. But, wow, you're good at that. Yeah.

I will get back to that. We'll get back to it. But what was I saying? I was just saying that, like, my problem is, I'm going to this retreat, this, like, mental retreat for three weeks because my problem is that I'm always, I'm just talking about it openly as I always do yeah but I always feel like if I'm not perfect at something and look I know perfection is a fantasy I fail if I go out there and everybody's laughing when I'm doing stand-up and I kill it I walk off and I'm thinking oh that one guy didn't do it I wasn't good

enough I for some reason I'm so hard on myself and I know that stems it's got to stem from a lot of you know not getting approval as a kid not you know and you would kind of resonated when we first started talking you said it wasn't until about five years you years ago or something that you kind of dealt with a lot of this shit yeah which kind of gives me hope so i was like almost happy to hear because i'm getting i'm 47 going on 47 i'm thinking i got to get clear my mind of this stuff because i'm getting too old for it but like i you know it affects you not only psychologically but physiologically i think things physically yeah had it had it did things come out physically for you that were all mental like sort of related well i think you know

When you're younger, you're much more resilient emotionally. Your immune system and your nervous system is much stronger. So you can take much more damage, you know, and pressure and self-doubt and things like that. But as you get older, you know, yeah, naturally you get more, you get more... Fatigued? No, you get more vulnerable. You have to look for some kind of spiritual path. as you get older to support you in that way.

So I started meditating and I started doing psychotherapy because I had a divorce and because I was drinking too much. I was just messing around, you know, being unfaithful. And basically screwing up my family life because that stuff started hitting me, you know, and escape, you're trying to escape, but it's in here. So I had to deal with it inside me. And my new girlfriend kind of knew that something

was wrong and I knew I was going to end up losing her as well unless I did something so first I started meditating I got this little DVD and I started the CD and started listening to it and then you know got more and more into it and I started reading about it and then now I meditate between 30 and minutes and an hour depending on you do it every day every day you don't miss it no and the other thing is um then I got into psychotherapy and then I realized you know this PTSD uh which I do it's a was kind of running my life and which I had used to be become a fighter and somehow an action star which I didn't know okay that just happened to me you know I didn't plan that um then I kind of worked on that a little bit and I kind of you know get over some of those ailments and um what is

psychotherapy what does psychotherapy do what does it do yeah well in my case it makes you uh you go back and relive those experiences where, in my case, there's a young boy, I was faced with three, you have three choices if you get attacked physically, fight, flight, or there's a third one called freeze. And if you can't fight back and you can't run away because you're at home and you can't fight your dad because he's too big, then it's called freeze, which means that you It's like an animal, if a lion's taking an antelope, just when it's about to attack it, the antelope, if you're seeing these videos, it just kind of goes dead, right? Because one, it was not to suffer, and two, sometimes the predator will leave it alone

if it's not fighting back. So that happens to people too. So if you can't fight back and you can't run away, you know, your body just goes dead and you kind of, all the emotion, all the energy is stored inside. And then you try to get rid of it. But by reliving that experience 50 years later in a different way, you can get out of it. They do it in a certain way, that type of therapy where you actually end each session on a positive note. So after a while, that negative energy kind of dissolves like a piece of ice or whatever in your chest.

And then it doesn't run your life anymore. So you can make decisions from what's happening in front of you instead of what you went through. Because a lot of people make decisions, not from what's in front of them, it's from something that was done to them, you know, 50 years ago. You really swear by psychotherapy. I did. Now, after this is over, can you give me a number of someone? Yeah.

You could. Someone in L.A. Yeah. And now, what happens when I go in there? Like, let's say our first session and you're my psychotherapist. I could tell you could already look at me like, yeah, you are fucked up. You're looking at me like, I could tell you got some shit going on. Yeah, you know what David Mamich said.

said, nobody with a happy childhood ever went into show business. Hmm. You know what's funny? I always get so true, right? I mean, because you have something to draw from. You have something to draw from. I mean, I'm pleased that my dad had a crazy side. I wouldn't be sitting here.

I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have made all those films or wouldn't have won any, you know, trophies or anything, probably. I feel the same way. I feel like, you know, again, your childhood sounds like it was, I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't terrible. It wasn't, you know, I wasn't in concentration camp. Right, right. It was just, you know, it was damaging to some degree.

Was it psychological, like, I love you and then hit you? Was it those, or he never told you about it? Well, he never said, I love you. But he would say, you know, you want your parents' approval. There was somebody that you love because everybody loves their parents, hurts you physically. It's you blame yourself. And then you end up blaming yourself.

And then you end up thinking you're not good enough. and that will, you know, influence how you do things later in life. You said something really important, man. You just said, I know we're getting deep, but I like this, dude. I like that you're getting deep on this. Yeah, I'm used to it. You're used to it? No, I like it.

As you can tell, this is my... Yeah, I love this shit. This is my hobby right now. And by the way, Katie is your friend. She's been working for you forever, right? Yeah. And she's amazing. Hi, Katie.

Yeah, she's amazing. She and I met in New York, and I remember she took me to the Grammys one time. She's working for Diana Ross. And I thought we were going to, like, sit in the back row. and next thing I know we're picking up Diana Ross in the limo we're hanging out with Ray Charles and like all these people

I'm wearing this crazy whacked out Elvis so thank you Katie for getting you know Dolphier he's you know you're a hero Ray Charles look at those guys I mean look with the shit that those guys went through Jesus yeah you got one guy there for instance I was never

a heroin addict or I wasn't blind you know so I didn't have those things to I mean you were yeah that's true I mean you were lucky because, I mean, you've got size. Yeah, that's true. But I don't know if that's good. It's hard to find clothes. Do you hurt?

Do you, like, does your body hurt from all the work you've done? It has to hurt. That's a stupid question because, the karate, the... It does. What do you do for pain? You know, it hurts, yeah, occasionally, depending on how much I train. And if I do any crazy stunts, it gets worse. But, you know, I take painkillers sometimes or, you know, anti-inflammatory.

Norco? I took a norco every once in a while? Not that much. No, mostly like anti-inflammatories and Advil and sometimes stronger stuff, but not that much. Yeah. I just took a norcoe, about an hour ago. Well, because you had some...

Neck surgery out of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing right, though. I'm down to one a week. One a day. One a day. No, sorry, that's a big difference. I've been on that stuff.

You have? Yeah, I've been on, what's the strong one? Oxicotin. I've done that. It wasn't on that. I've done that. I didn't like that one. It was, you know, it's...

I just made me sick. My dad makes him. He's manufactured. He worked for Watson. No, no, not illegally. He worked for Watson laboratories, and he manufactured the most, he's manufactured more oxycotton than anybody in the history of the world. Yeah, that's what he did.

He was a plant manager. He's like, he goes over to China and helps them figure out their plants and stuff. There's a morphine based, isn't it? I don't know. Yeah, I'll call my dad. I'll call my dad right now. No, morphine, because I did have a, I had, I had some hip surgery and before I had the surgery had this huge you know incredible cramp I mean I had this incredible pain I went

into ER and they gave me a shot of morphine I think it was and that was pretty nice that's good yeah it was good stuff yeah it's amazing how like the only thing I'm addicted to it's not a I've had seven surgeries but what I love is I know it sounds like I'm an addict and I'm not I'm a control freak I don't want to be out of control so I don't like to like I don't have an addicted personality but when they put me under yeah I always say listen let me at least enjoy it for 10 minutes, five minutes. So my assistant was filming me all fucked up. So it's me and they're going,

I just, I just want some applesauce. That's all I want is some applesauce. And I'm telling you, for those 10 minutes, though, there's no feeling like that. But you get addicted to that shit. There's no life. Yeah. And you're done.

That's true. Yeah, look at a lot of artists and, you know, Elvis Presley or Jackson or whatever it was, they were all into painkillers. Yeah. It wasn't like drugs like cocaine. it was yeah it's heroin trying to come down yeah it was Hendricks Joplin Morrison all those guys it's all too much reality was just too much for them I think because they're too sensitive and there's

too much going on too much fame and too much money and you know attention and love and yeah you said something like when you're younger you have so much energy and resilience and your immune system strong and all this stuff and that hit home that's what I was one of the points of trying to get through a little while ago is that that's what I feel like I felt like I felt like you no matter how stressed, no matter how, you have a meeting here, you've got to go audition for this big TV show, you have two hours to learn this, you have this, you're on set every day, 14 hours, and I could do it, even though I was still fear-based and scared and trying to get the confidence and I'd find it, you know, eventually, I had enough energy in the tank

for some reason for so many years and then I hit about 43 and that's when I've started to go, oh my God, I got to do something because I can't handle this. For some reason, I don't know if I hid a lot of certain things as a child or certain things growing up that I just kind of like put deep down and kept there. Sometimes I feel like everything's surfaced. Like my life isn't like, what's the purpose? Like I have a great career. I'm very lucky. I have a house.

I have great friends. I have all these things. But sometimes I feel like I'm going through the motions. And that's when I notice something's a little off. It's sort of disconnected. Did you go through a stage where you were really depressed? and then you had so much fame that you forgot about it or it numbed everything where you were you just forgot about it

and then all of a sudden it caught up to you? Do you want to lay on the couch and I'll sit over there? Anyway, I'll tell you. You know what this helps me. This is what this show is, by the way. This becomes therapy for me. I'm glad to hear this shit. You're helping people, Dahl.

I'll start with you. No. I love it. If you're sick, if you have a toothache, it'd be better to go to the dentist you can stay at home and try to put some needles in there and wash your mouth or salt water

at some point you've got to go and see a dentist or you're going to be in a lot of pain it's just people have this adversary to psychotherapy that's something bad but it's not really it's just talking to a guy who's a specialist

in those type of problems and then you can have somebody listening and maybe give you some good advice so how to get out of it have you done hypnotherapy they put you to sleep I'm always look the good thing is I'm proactive I'm always looking for something

and the, you know, I'm learning to meditate. The thing is, I think it's consistency. I think if you can just go, oh, you know what, I'll meditate today. I think, like you said, you do it every day. A little bit. You have structure in your life, right? Do you have structure? Very much so.

It's the only thing I, it keeps me sane because my business, as you know, it's like the old days used to have the wagon and then they travel from town to town and you just perform over here and then to go over there. And, you know, it's like in the old Shakespeare days, it's the same now. It's the same now. You just got to travel to South Africa for four months. in Australia for four months, then you come home for three weeks, then you're in Philly for three months, and then suddenly a whole year passed, and you're like, shit.

Are you just telling me your life just now? Well, that was my last year. That's what it was. It was gone for eight, nine months last year. But it was kind of a special year. It was good for me, film-wise, but it was tough, you know, family and just for my own nervous system, because when you're not sleeping in your own bed, you never feel like really relaxed.

You can't quite relax, you know. Do you ever get anxiety? Yeah. Still? Every day. You kidding? That's the reason I meditate. You just, by the way, again, you just sounded like still on you.

Every day. Every fucking day. Every fucking day. No, every day in the morning I get up and I meditate, hopefully. I mean, preferably, I try to do it right before sunrise or right around sunrise. And all the anxiety from the previous day, business, family, health, all those issues that I think most people deal with they hit you when you sit still

because we're not used to being in the domain of being without sleeping. Domain of doing is like sitting around here talking or training or whatever and then we go to sleep and we wake up and we do things all day but you sit there with your own body

and your own thoughts and feelings and not do anything that's kind of an enlightening and you realize who you really are. You're not your thoughts, you're something else you know what it's hard i know for a lot of people listening but i'll tell you what dude it's it's hard for people to imagine even me who does like believe in it even though i haven't really immersed myself into it as much as i should like you have but i feel like this is the idea the idea that you know you're going to wake up in the morning and you know i feel anxious so i'm

going to sit here and i'm going to meditate for 20 minutes and i'm going to breathe and then i'm to wake up, I'm going to have struck. It just doesn't sound like that's going to work. Being in your mind, in your own head that you're trying to get out of. But it's, but it's something about being present. It's something about like, I don't know, just when you can kind of go blank, when you can kind of get rid of all the noise. Being mindful, it's called.

Being mindful, mindfulness. Mindfulness, seeing the true nature of existence, because you're not thinking, you're not trying to do things. You're not trying to analyze too much and just kind of be there. be the observer of everything that that's kind of a feeling of relief not to have to think and try to plan things all the time and and keep up with change because change it goes so fast you can't keep up with it so you just don't even try for a while at least for half hour during the day or maybe 20 minutes it's three minutes or whatever what's the worst anxiety attack you ever had

I don't know when I got divorced was pretty bad because you think your kids are suffering And then I had these anxiety attacks. I'd be sleeping and I couldn't, couldn't. That's kind of a lot got me into meditating and stuff. And psychotherapy is, yeah, when you wake up, realize you've effed up and fucked up, like, your whole family, and it was my fault. It was not all my fault, but I'd blame myself for a lot of it.

And that was bad. I remember that was really bad. Like not being able to breathe, like. Yeah, and if you're going to break up. Usually, I don't have bad things, relationship with my kids, but like my girlfriend, if we have a huge fight, like we broke up for a year and that that was anxiety you know like the emotional uh pains probably the worst and obsessing over it did you obsess over it yeah i got to talk to i got to text

you she's got to yeah trying to have control no i'm never going to see her again i'm not never going to see this person again but i'm sure anxiety i mean i read the dalai lama quite a bit when i you know on and off and he has like one book that's like 365 pages of advice one for each day of the year. I could read a little before I go to sleep. I mean, basically it says in, you know, in Buddhism, they start preparing you for death early on by meditating. So in other words, it's not an alien concept for them and it doesn't become, there's no suffering involved, less suffering. I mean, on the path to get there. Because that's at the bottom of most human suffering is because we know we're going to die, you know, and that. So it's all anxiety

kind of, I think, comes from that. Are you afraid of dying? Yeah, yeah, like everybody, I don't want to die either. But on the other hand, I'd like to say, if somebody said you could live for 10,000 years, you probably would commit suicide long before then anyway. Yeah, because you know, the biggest, you know, you don't want to see all your friends and family die

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and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. I saw a picture of you holding up Grace Jones from way back in the day. Yeah. And you said happy birthday, I think it was. Yes. Yeah.

She just turned, she was her birthday. She just turned 30? Yeah, 35. 35. Three days ago. And you were a bouncer at a club or you became her bodyguard? Yeah, I was a bouncer in Australia, in Sydney, Australia. I was studying engineering at the school there and I, University of Sydney.

And, yeah, I ran into her because I did security at a rock concert. and she was one of them. So I was picked out to be like her personal security afterwards, me and a couple of two of my friends. And of course, she'd seen me, so she wanted to pick me out. She hit on you? She didn't realize that.

Yeah, I figured it out sort of late at night when we were up in a hotel suite and people started leaving. And pretty soon it was just her and me left. Really? I was like, and were you very attracted to her at this point? I get it.

Okay. And you were really? into it well i was yeah i was attracted how old was she at the time well i i was about 24 and probably she was about 30 or 29 and so you guys obviously had sex at night yes i mean what year was this 82 i mean look here you are you are a bouncer you're a guy at a concert right you're listening to some concert you think oh i'm gonna have the little radio and i'm gonna fucking sit here with a bunch of other guys and next thing you know grace jones is hitting on you yeah and then you have a really how long did you date five years uh yeah four years we were together for four years

after that was that tough was it a great relationship love and love and craziness it was love and craziness yeah it was you know i came to new york and i was in a study it up at um mite in boston and i had a degree already but i had six months off so i came to new york and ended up going to 54 and running into Andy World, Michael Jackson, all of these people, and, you know, and all the craziness I went with it, because this is right before AIDS. Right. They said it was a period between contraception, becoming kind of, you know, accepted, and the onset of AIDS.

It was about 10 years, I guess, when things got a little crazy. So you effed as much as you could have? Pretty much. Well, I was together with her, but then... God, wouldn't it be great to F and not worry about effing? Exactly. That's what it was like at 54. Like they said, I saw that documentary that was just out called 3 to 54.

It's really good, you know. In those days, said, like, once you got through, once you were let in, because, you know, there was a little guy who picked you out, Mark, whatever's name was, that bouncer, a famous little good-looking guy anyway. Once you got in, you could do anything you wanted. Anything. Anything. Nobody cared.

No, and there was no, like, oh, you know, the fire department going to show up. We're like, oh, the cops are, it's like undercutter cops in you. No, there were none of that. I have a vision. I picture you. But I wasn't that crazy. Was your shirt off? Were you dancing, sweat?

I knew it. But I used to go and run. I used to, we lived in the West Village. I used to go for run at five in the morning, no matter whatever. I mean, if I'd been up until 4.30, I'd still go for a run. So I was, I was training. I was disciplined then. I was disciplined.

Yeah, I was disciplined. Wow. And I wasn't doing drugs or anything like that. Did you meet Andy Warhol? Yeah. Like, what, what, what do you? He said, oh, hi. He said, I just really, hi, what are you famous for?

What'd you say? Nothing, as far as I know, he said, I want to put to my magazine. Did he say that? Yeah. Was he hitting on you? A little bit, yeah. Then they did a photo shoot, and I found out afterwards that there was a bet between him and a photographer.

They get him to take all my clothes off, which I didn't do it. Did you get some of your clothes off? Well, sure, yeah, I got my shirt off. I was used to it. Dolf. But you might, or were you Hans then? Hans. You were Hans back then.

Hans, can you just take your shirt off? Please. Andy would like to see it. We would like to see it. That would have been just a, oh my God, what a treat. You really lived a life, man. Yeah, it was cool. And I remember being at the, because I was sitting with my daughter and, you know, the advertising comes on for, you know, buy the DVD for the Motown 25th anniversary concert where, you know, Michael Jackson did them for his moonwalk.

Anna Ross was there, and there's like a musical on Broadway about it called Motown. And so I told Eda, my daughter, I was there, actually. I remember I was there with Grace Jones watching the whole thing, and it's like, you were there? Yeah. Wow. Michael Jackson came on, and I said, what's the big deal with this kid, you know? And she's like, don't ever say that about Michael Jones. He's his most talented guy ever.

He's going to be a huge star. I was like, oh, right, sure, whatever, Grace. Sure, whatever. And she was right, because then the thriller came out. And then he was a huge star, you know. Wow. Man, you've been around, dude. Yep.

From Grace, like, you weren't thinking at this time I want to be an actor. No. Had that happen? Because you were modeling, you started doing that? I was modeling a little bit because I wanted to get an H-1, they called, like, a work visa. And then I was doing karate and had some friends in New York that were, you know, I was already a karate champion.

So they said, yeah, man, hey man, you know, you could be the movies. You can fight. You look good. You know, you should try to study some acting. So what is that, like, 82 after you just want to know? 83. Right. And then I, you know, found this acting coach through Grace who helped her on the Bond movie.

She did the Bond film. Vue to a Kill. Yeah. Do you remember the Duran Duran song? Oh, yeah. Let me hear you sing it. Missing you. No, no, no.

Was a view to a kill. Wasn't that it? Yeah, but it was a little more upbeat than that. I don't know. I forgot how well. I remember the opening, and I was Chris Walkin. Chris Walker was the bad guy. Bad?

It was bad, yeah. Dolph. And then I was in San Francisco for the premiere, and I was, I was trained with Stallone at the time for Rocky 4. And, you know, I told him, yeah, can I get some time off from training and go for, you know, because he knew Grace. I know us with Grayson. Who knew Grace? Well, he knew that I was with Grace. course I was living here in Los Angeles and she was staying with me a little bit and

he said forget the ball movies you know wait till this picture opens you know it's like he's and I didn't realize he was he was right I mean obviously the the rocky thing was just a really big deal well I mean I hear that is this right because my story is that 700 actors audition for the cart that I got Lex Luthor but I hear 5,000 actors auditioned for Ivan Drago. Is it Ivan Drago, right? Yeah, I think so. That's what Stallone told me.

I mean, I was in his office when I first met him. He auditioned you? Well, he started. Well, I met, what happened was I went up in New York for a cast, for like a cattle call. I said, you know, it was like hundreds of guys there, and I just came up to this table and there was a woman sitting there and, you know, for a boxing movie. I didn't know where it was. And then she just said, well, how tall are you?

And I said, six, four. And she's like, too tall next. And I'm like, oh, hang on a minute. And I looked behind her, and there was a sign saying Rocky 4, like handwritten. So I said, oh, shit, a Rocky movie. So then I took some pictures because I was a fighter, so I knew all the Rock. I mean, Rocky 3 was a, I loved Rocky 3 with Mr. T and all that. So I took some pictures of myself in boxing gear, and I sent him through my acting coach,

who was actually somebody who sort of knew Bert Young. He knew Bert Young, who was a friend of... Paulie. Paulie. Yeah, Paulie. So Paulie gave my photos to John Hertzfeld, who's a good friend of Stallone. Actually, one of his best friends, director. And that guy gave him to Sly.

So by six months later, they flew me into L.A. I was in Europe at the time. Some PA called me, oh, thank God I found you. I've been looking for you for months. Stallone's going to kill me, whatever it was. So he found me, and then they flew me in, and I met Stallone. He had long hair. He was going to do Rambo, too.

Well, what he said, the first thing he said. I can't remember that way I said. You know, you've got to put on some weight. I mean, he's like, uh, that took some stuff, took some Polaroids, and he had, you, I got, you go, five times, you guys, your spiritual. So, you had all these, you know, this is before computers, and they had all these binders with, but eight by tens everywhere around the whole, the whole room. Could you take your shirt off?

Your pants? I was used to that part. My buddy Andy Woolho's here. He wants to talk to you. So, uh, we, uh, we, uh, took some polaroids, and then I had to do a real edition six months later, like a real screen test. What was that like?

Were you nervous? Yeah, I was. Well, I'd worked on the character a lot, and it was really good shape, and I'd worked on the monologue, and I decided to keep it very internal and not to yell too much, you know, because I studied these, I looked at these Soviet officers, officer cadets with his chin up, like they have a sudden look to it, you know, chin up, kind of proud, you know, My hero of the Soviet Union. Yeah.

And they flew me into L.A. and I'm in some cheap hotel and go down to have breakfast because I knew this addition is coming up. And I didn't want to eat more than like half a piece of toast because it was all ripped. You know, I didn't want to put on any weight. And the elevator opens and there's like a six foot five blonde guy looking at me. Oh. Good morning. And then whatever.

There's a mother dude down there and I'm like, oh, shit, okay. So there was three of it. Did you think you're going to get it, or are you like, I'm not going to get this? I didn't know. This guy actually has a Russian accent. I was pretty confident because I knew I'd really worked on it. But it was nerve-breaking because they had in those days, you know, is a Dolly track in one camera, 35, going down the track towards me. Here's my mark, and in my shorts, no shirt.

And there's about 50 people behind the camera, sliding his bodyguards and a bunch of people in suits. And then I have to do this in a one take of this monologue, which they used later in the trailer, teaser trailer, where it starts something like, my name is Drago. I'm a fighter from the Soviet Union. It starts like that. And then the camera creeps in,

and it kind of comes around my boots first. You see the Soviet boots, and it goes up my thighs and comes up. Anyway, so I go back to you. I wanted to hear the rest of that monologue. I was in, man. You remembered it. I fight the old champion.

You know what my, by the way, you probably get this. You know what the best part of that movie was? At the end, you kind of looked at him like the good job. It was just in your eyes. Yeah. Like you looked at him like, hey, way to go. I don't know what that was. What was?

No, you know what it was was the story. It was really the Frankenstein myth. It was the monster has been created by somebody else, Dr. Frankenstein. It wasn't like Mr. T. was just on his own out there kicking ass. you know it was the Soviets had created this guy so you kind of felt started your coach your trainer

he was the bad guy he was just the guy that was trying to do his job yeah that's it so that's why I think I it was touching you liked him right then that was crazy how you can hate somebody and then love him well I think it kind of got me into having a career sort of as a leading man you know

and I'm playing a few villains here and there but mostly as kind of a leading man not just being stuck as that you know what it could have been even though it has of course some people always remember everybody remember that character but it's still you know used to get residuals from rocky four not much what's what's the most you get in the year maybe 10 grand yeah no probably not even that i don't know i didn't make much money in that picture but i didn't care because you know it just brought you super star it was a lot money for me in those days you know

yeah so i didn't care really that's great man you know sly's uh when i worked with sly he was just like i had these these dots all over my face what was that for it was regarding into the galaxy and I had a small part but like you know my buddy he's one of my best friends he ended up giving me like four lines in the movie like three scenes were sly and I had dots all over my face and the first thing he said was like

who are you supposed to be peppy long stocky with your dots all over your face and like he would do these things where I had line and he was like looking up on the set and he's like look at this they got rust you think they would have learned how to lose rust get rid of rust in the future

and then i saw and then i had neck surgery and we had like he uh i said something like about sly my surgeon the surgeon he goes sly's actually here he's he's walking up right now he just text me because he's like oh bring him in here and he went in there and we started talking about our necks and her pains like my fucking bag man we had the same back surgeon we just had this connection on set he was uh he was he's such a funny guy he is he's very funny he is it's i like him a lot i mean i mean And we got along. You know, he was my boss in many movies.

And the last one now in Creed 2, you know, which he, you know, obviously it's his creation, the whole Rocky franchise. But now it's sort of Michael B. Jordan and the director and, you know, MGM kind of runs the show and he's more like an actor, you know, like I was an actor. And so we were kind of both actors on this film together, which was kind of nice for me especially, you know, where it was just mainly he's working with him as an actor, not so much as yes sir and no sir, you know, a boss like here's my so you had a good time had a good time really good time yeah he's funny like

you said he's a he's a very humorous guy do you ever go into jobs like at this point obviously everybody's done this but do you really have to like something or if you're like wow they're paying me a lot of money i'll fucking just do it no i think that um no i mean recently i've actually been it's going the opposite i've taken large stuff for just for money back in there not only for money but you know mostly for that purpose in the past but now i'm i think it has to do with being older and getting older and also thinking more about spiritual matters like you know i was really happy with rach creed too because it's kind of about redemption and about forgiveness and i got to play a father who was kind of cruel to his son but he makes up at the end and in aqua man i played

the father to, you know, uh, what's her name, um, uh, Mara. Mara, yeah. Kate Mara. Mara, no, Mara was, uh, what's her name is the act? Mara Serveni, what the fuck? No, I put Johnny Depp's ex-wife. Um, Amber Hurd was, she was very nice. So I got to play her father, who, and, you know, worried a lot about her, which I can

relate to because of my daughter. So, you know, I think that I would rather do stuff where I feel there's some kind of purpose to it and some kind of positive message. at the end of the... And you can do that now. I can, yeah, I can. So I do that most... I have a couple of smaller movies I'm working on.

They're all like that. I always try to twist it around so I can get some kind of positive, inspirational message in there. I like that. That's important. Which is cool for me. You ever cry in front of your daughters?

Yeah, too much. They hate it. They hate it. What do you mean? What do you cry about? I want to hear this because I cry. When did I cry? Last time I started sort of crying

was last night watching we were watching Honey I shrunk the kids You cried and honey I shrunk the kids You know when the aunt dies The aunt When he dies

It's sort of sad isn't it And you cry Well I started But it wasn't really full on But and the girls noticed Yeah they know So they say dad are you crying Yeah I'm a very sensitive guy you know

I like that man Because I cry And sometimes I feel like You know I never saw my dad cry You know he was You know my dad was never were like, hey, I was like, Dad, I scored three goals in the hockey game. He's like, yeah, but there was a weak goalie.

You know, he never heard him say, I love you. There was a lot of stuff like that. He was really hard. But here's the problem. My dad was also 6'5, 2, 30 or whatever. Like, he's like you, and I was the smallest kid in my high school. I didn't grow it all after high school. So I was this little, really a little run.

But I, you know, I was always a crier. My dad was, I remember seeing a Broadway show at my parents. And if you had, like, a camera and you went down the line, you'd see my little brother, who was, like, my dad's, like, he was emulating. He always wanted to, you know, him and my dad were like the best friends. In fact, one time my mom said in front of me in front of everybody, come on, Mark, to my dad, everybody knows that Eric's your favorite. And I'm like, I'll never forget it. And my dad's like, come on, what do you want?

Come on. But I knew what, she was just saying what I knew, but she shouldn't have fucking said it because she's psycho. I love my mom, but she's a fucking psychopath. You know, she's a fucking nutbag. She's been on Valium since she's eight. I love you, mom, but fuck. So anyway. She should have done some therapy would have been cheaper.

Jesus Christ, she needs it. But here's the thing. She lies so much she believes her own lies. You can't talk to someone like that. Well, look, the one thing in therapy, you realize everybody has their own story. So my dad, even though he was, you know, very violent and crazy in many ways, I understand. But, you know, he was a little boy at some point, too, you know, and he got abused, whatever the hell happened to him. I don't know.

But I don't want to know because it was much worse than what happened to me. And you just forgave him. Probably with your mom. Yeah. I forgive him. I do. You have to forgive. That's, I think that's the first step.

And I forgave, actually, I asked when I first got divorced, when I first, after I got divorced and when I, after I done therapy and realized kind of what had happened because you come out of this fog going, shit, did I do all that? What the hell? And you realized why you'd done it. So then I went back because my wife and kids at the time were in Spain. They're not here. I mean, my kids are here now, but my wife and kids, I live in Spain for 10 years.

So I went back and I saw them and I, you know, I told my kids. You know, please forgive me for what I did, you know, and told them why I'd done it. And they started crying immediately. So I realized that they had suffered a lot. My wife, too, my ex-wife, she started crying also immediately. So it was really nice to be able to ask for forgiveness and not to just ask for it, not to justify, well, yeah, please forgive me. And I'm sorry, I did that. But you know why I did it was because this isn't, no, you guys said, period at the end.

Please forgive me. I shouldn't have done that, period. Isn't that something because, you know, if you want to say I'm sorry to someone, there always has to be. It feels like, I'm sorry, you feel that way, but that's not what I was saying. Instead of just saying, hey, I'm sorry, I said that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. That's the best way. But I had a next girlfriend. He used to be like, I go, you know what? You're right? I'm wrong. She goes, shut up. I hate when you do that.

But what I was saying, by the way, I was seeing a Broadway show with my family. And if you pan down, you'd see my brother just straight, like Ivan Drago. And then my dad, same thing. Then my mom hysterically crying and then me crying. And my dad... Well, that's good. That's why you're an actor. I know, man.

But my dad used to, you like crying was just like, yeah. Well, I would cry when I was younger, but I was embarrassed about it. But now I don't care. So I love that. I know that it's good for my career anyway to be close to my emotion. So I... And my late found kind of opportunity to do roles like that. it's i just embrace it that you give me i'll tell you what man i'm really impressed with you golf

i really am because look you're a big dude i didn't know you i was like fuck i don't know what to talk about is he going to get pissed if i ask him about like you know births you know what i didn't i didn't know and like you're a hero to me a lot of people you know i grew up in the you know i'm 46 and you know i watched you my whole life he used to watch he watched masters of universe back in the day and he was a fan and all the movies and so the fact that you're so open i'm telling you has really is helping me oh thanks because it's it's just like i feel like you know what hey now's the time like it's never too late to say hey look i need to i need to fix what i'm doing because it's not working it's true you know i need more structure in my life i need to do things for me i can't

always be the giver you know sometimes it's okay not to give not to give everybody your time not I'm always so like I always hate I hate disappointing people man this has been awesome I feel like I don't want to take more of your time I feel like we really covered a lot of shit what do you got going on what else is got because I see you're always doing something

well I'm here now for a couple of weeks oh so you want to hang out maybe yeah I was in Italy doing a little movie and yeah I don't mind coming for a little I mean my my girlfriend likes karaoke so my daughter is here so if you have a karaoke let me know you knew that at a time

I have a whole room downstairs. That screening room is a big screen. It's a karaoke room. It is 130. I did. Yeah, I had to say it again. Sorry about that. No, no, no.

Yeah, I'd like to come over. If you guys want a karaoke. I'll be your DJ for the night. And I'll give you some advice. But regarding, if you want to know about meditation therapy, I know quite a bit about it now. So I can, it's in the right direction. Even to do it by yourself, which is the way I do most of my meditation. I've been to one retreat and that's it.

I do it mostly on my own. I love it. How often do you do you ever do these conventions where you sign autographs? Yeah, I've done many of, well, not many, maybe about 10. I like it actually. It's, it's a bit tedious, but you get to meet the fans. Yeah. You know, face to face, which doesn't happen much anymore. And I like that. Yeah, I do too. I just got back from one. Where were? I was in Orlando. Oh, that's a big one. I heard it. And it was the first time that we had three three big ones on the show where me, Clark Kent, and the girl. And it was first time we were together. since the show since I left in 2008 and it was it was crazy it was just thousands of people

it was so much fun and you just see it's it's it does put a tear in your eye to think oh my god these people like they grew up with you they had a connection with you people in iraq like were like hey me and my platoon we we this is what got us I'm like wait this is what got you what this show because I always think oh I'm an actor who cares yeah and our jobs are so lucky I agree I used to think the exact same way and then I said started it came to me like why did I quit chemical engineering why why did I do that and I was just 27 and it was just like such a radical decision but I think I wanted to make people feel good and that's what I've done most most of my fans come up with positive messages and and like you just said

and I think that's why I ended up doing this to give back something to the world and I think that really that's kind of the main reason I'm doing it now and that it's kind of a nice way to think about it. Do you... Doing it for other people? For other people. Do you have any fans who are just like anybody ever pitch you off and say something really mean to you? No much, no. Very, very few times. Maybe when I did Rocky

4 and I, because I killed that guy, Apollo Creed, the guy with a big mouth. That guy, yeah. Yeah, so... You know, they were upset with me, but I didn't mean to. I was just really... Hit him down. Anyway, so I... You know, I had a fan, I had a fan to come up to me.

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, all right. I had a fan. I had a fan. fan come up to me, Dolph, and he goes, he goes, I just want to tell you that Gene Hackman was the best Lex Luthor ever. And I go, okay, great, thanks. I know that. I'm well aware of that. He's my favorite. And he was like, all right. Well, I go, that's what you waited in line to tell me. And he's like, yeah, I just want to go, okay, well, great. Well, thank you. No, I don't know. It's the weirdest thing. I don't think I've had that. I mean, occasionally maybe something that, you know, upsets me a little once in a while.

but I usually don't it doesn't affect me much anymore not that much anymore so calm well listen I'll tell you what this has been a real treat for me I think just punch him in the face next time just punch you fuck you this has been unbelievable I think people are going to really love seeing here in this side yes yes he's so fun I could talk to it like this for fucking ever I mean you feel like a relative a really tall strong handsome relative we're not a very good looking family but you you have a I it pisses me off when beautiful people have beautiful kids like both your daughters are beautiful right how old are they 20 23 and 17 that's what I'm most proud of that the kids turn out okay in this messed up business it's hard man it's hard yeah well hey man if you ever need if

you need honest hemp some CBD oil or anything man I'll give you a big bunch of that shit you use that stuff no I hear it's good what would you do with it this stuff you well this is a bomb you put on your I might show you but what you put it I'm my on my neck, the back of my neck. Oh yeah, it just gives me, it personally helps like it can implement. Yeah, man, here you go. Can you eat it? No, I'm just kidding. You know what? Yeah, well, you can.

These drops, I'm going to give you some anyway. There's breath spread. There's drop. There's no, there's no THC. It's not going to fuck you up. No. But there's some tinctures you take and they reduce inflammation. Yeah, put a bunch of shit. I had like. Your ankle's swollen.

Yeah. You're rubbing it on your ankle. I had this, well, because I, you know, this guy, neighbor of mine when I lived in his building here many years ago came up to us and my girlfriend and said hey man you got try this shit it's really good for your injuries so there's these like little chocolate you know like little chocolates in there right and of course some of them he he explained to me what it was and i i don't know much about that some of them are THC and the other ones or you know whatever it was and then of course my girlfriend goes i like to try some of that it's like here you go so she ate one of

those little things. And it was, then I looked at the rappers and nine, nine doses. What? Nine doses of T.C. Was she fucked? She was totally. Was it hilarious? He was.

Well, let me tell you this. It wasn't a starting man. I had a couple of drinks. It was fun for about 20 minutes. And then she, like, then it just crashed. Then she threw up for, threw up for about seven hours. That's great. Well, hey, man.

I want to thank you. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today. Yeah. And we'll take a picture and let you be on your way. It wasn't too bad, right? No, it was great. I loved it. Thanks, man.

I appreciate it. Thanks, man. All right. Talk long with, folks. We're going to talk about, folks. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding.

$50,000. I'll buy a new podcast partner. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here. Stacking Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.