Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Dr. Drew

Episode Date: May 26, 2020

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It's getting a little perverted. I've been doing those Instagram lives. If you've joined us, we had Zach Levi came on the other night, and it was awesome. We talked about, you know, therapy and anxiety and life, and it was really great. It was really fun if you get to see any clip of that on my Instagram live. I know some people taped it, but sometimes I have special guests pop up. But the most interesting thing is really on those Instagram lives, people want to be invited to be on the video so you could split the screen with them.

And so I randomly invite people to come on the Instagram lives. And they have been unbelievable. We're going to do patron stuff at the end. My shoutouts to my lovely patrons who I love for the inside of you. And also the Patreon, the horror patron that I'm doing with John Heater, Napoleon Dynamite, you know. We're doing a horror patron exclusive. It's only there. It's called Where Have All the Good Harmonism?

movies gone. We're a few movies, but we also talk and comment to each other and the, and the, and the, and the, and the patrons. And it's actually really a lot of fun. And thank you, Bryce, for your editing and your, and by the way, we message, when you get messages from us on the patrons, it's us. More importantly, the great, uh, charities out there that I love, Ronald McDonald's house. Reminding you, uh, Tom, welling, Kristen Kruk, and myself, we did a omaze.com slash reunion. You donate for the Ronald McDonald's house of Los Angeles that I've been a part of for a long time. And, uh, they draw somebody and you get to have a virtual room with us with and just talk to us for a long time. So that's fun. Uh, also throwing out food on foot.org, helping the homeless. I'm a $98 club member. Uh, love that place. And a lot of my listeners, fans, patrons, you, unbelievably kind have, uh, I've heard from Rob and the head of the organization, Food on Foot. They, dude, you're, your, you're, people from your, your podcast.

podcast. Your listeners are like donating money. I'm like, holy shit. Just too much. Don't get me started. You don't get emotional really quick. I want to support the Animal Rescue Mission Arm. My good friend, Shira, who I love and adore. She is part of that organization. She heads it. And go to their website. It's really incredible. Tell them Michael Rosenbaum sent you. Are you listening to the inside of you podcast? www.theanimalrescumission.org. I also was on Instagram today. I said, what the hell, man? So I'm thinking of auctioning some old scripts that I have signed. I have many of different things because I'm kind of a dork like that, you guys know. Tom Welling, he didn't, he didn't, Kristen, they didn't take anything home with them. But I took

wardrobe and things. I'm thinking, you know, maybe I got raised some money. So maybe a few scripts, a few articles of clothing, whatever. I was on Instagram. So I might, um, auction those off for charity. Whatever you get, 100 bucks, 500 bucks, thousand bucks. You give it to charity. Every, every cent count. So it's good. Also, uh, go to Instagram. Inside of you online store. We got inside of you mugs, inside of you tons of stuff. But new shirts and hoodies and all that stuff just came in. And they're selling like hotcakes.

So go to the inside of you online store. And I'm doing a stage it. People have been asking me to do a stage it. I haven't done one. And I've never one done one alone. That's tomorrow, May 27th. It's 6 p.m. California time. That's Pacific.

That's Wednesday tomorrow. It's a stage it with my good, dear friend. Uh, he's really the only person I've seen. Rob Danson, he's in, uh, the band left on Laurel. We, we, we did that together. And, um, but he and I have been, you know, hanging out. He wears a mask. He's 10 feet away.

So, uh, we're being safe. And, uh, he will join me for a stage it and what prizes and all that. So go to stage at com. Look for, uh, I think the subject is Rosenbaum and Danson, D-A-N-S-O-N. So check that out. You know, I appreciate you guys. This week, it's a, it's a great guest. People have talked to me on the, you know, listeners have written in the fans.

And I'm going to read some letters on the outro of the show when our guest is gone. But they're like, you know, it's, you got to talk about mental health, talk about all these things. Why don't you have a doctor on or something like that or a therapist? So that's what we did. So the past couple weeks, I've interviewed my, some therapist, a life coach this week. So that's going to happen. We're going to have a mental health week. We're figuring all that out now.

But already recorded and fantastic. But this week, this was amazing. This is someone that I've known for a while. I haven't known, like, we're not buddies. In fact, he doesn't really return my emails all the time because he's a doctor. He's busy. Okay, so, you know, it's not like I constantly berate the guy, but no, he's a, he's a fantastic man. He's got a heart of gold.

He helps a lot of people for free. You know him on Celebrity Rehab. He's, uh, what else? I mean, there's so many podcasts love line. He's got, he was on the masked. What is it, the masked man, the masked crusader? I don't know. I don't watch it, but he was on it.

I love him. And he has so much insight today. You're going to love him too. And that's Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew Pinsky. So why don't we get inside of Dr. Drew? It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How are you, sir? I'm good. You look like you're about to either you got off work or you're about to go to an event. I do kind of an event. I do a show on Fox 11 every night. I got to suit up for that. And I got to blow out of here right afterwards. All right. This is one of the reasons I want to have you on. not only for this, but I just can't, I just can't imagine anybody doing more than you.

I don't know how you're not divorced. I don't know how you're not in celebrity rehab. So it's a great question. I mean, when I was really bad, I mean, my workaholism, it's so funny you bring this up. I had a dream about it last night. But my daughter was sort of confronting me

about my workaholism in my dream. But in my, you know, in the 90s, I don't know how my wife tolerated it. I don't know. I would get up at five of the morning and I would struggle to get home by 10 at night every day. And I mean every day. And so, and that went on for years. Did you make promises to her like, this is going to end? This is just how it is now. And then it got worse. Probably that kind of thing or it just, this is just way I have to do.

This is, you know, the people are sick. I, they, you know, I, I, I don't know what, how I, how I persuaded her that it was the right way to be. But it took years to carve it down too i mean i carve it down what you have four podcasts is that right yeah but now i'm not bad i'm really not bad compared to how i was this is like leisurely i i didn't never i never ate a meal sitting down i never got more than six hours asleep and it was just it was insane and the people would go off all night back in the days of the people and i would still run in the middle of the night at least two nights a week it was crazy it was super and you still have a practice in pasadena but it's small i mean his patients I've fallen for 30 years, you know, people I know really, really well.

I was doing telemedicine before it became a thing because I can manage my patients. I mean, I know them so well, so I can manage them. And how many do you have? How many regular patients that you've had for all these years? It must be a few hundred, you know, three or four hundred, something like that. Three or four hundred? He said a few. I was up way up for a long time.

I mean, I was doing a full-time hospital practice and working on a psychiatric hospital. and seeing 25 outpatients a day. I mean, it was nutty. Do they ever say things to you like, you know, I'm sure you're busy with your celebrity friends or your celebrity patients. No, the ones that have been with me have been with me forever. And when all that stuff started happening, they were like, hey, good for you. Anyway, about my back.

So they got that there was two worlds I lived in. And what kind of medicine is that? Like, is it just everything? They come to you with everything. and you kind of instruct them to go, oh, you need to go see this doctor or this specialist. Everything non-surgical, I took care of. And I used to do a lot of critical care.

You know, so ventilator management, that stuff you're starting to hear about these days in the day of COVID. I used to do a lot of that stuff. And so I actually signed up to go to New York because I guess I didn't know, but I guess the younger internist aren't being trained to do intensive care medicine.

They've left that now for the intensivists. and so I when Governor Cuomo called out for volunteers I said sign me up I can come and work on the front lines no problem and you've done that already well I signed up and I went through the interview process and they just said standby and they never called me

but I would have done it happily I mean I really was looking forward to and what would that job entail what exactly would it be it would be a lot of work it would have been admitting people into an intensive care unit it probably would have been I don't know if I would have been managing the whole unit or do a shift on the unit or be there with other doctors managing the unit.

I don't know. It depends on the hospital. But it would have been, you know, hour-to-hour care, critically ill patients. Which, again, I did. I was going to be a cardiologist, and that got sidetracked because I started moonlighting. Right after I finished my internship,

I started moonlighting in a psychiatric hospital down the street. And I became completely intrigued by what was going on there. And I was initially, and for the first, like, five, seven years I was there, I was running the medical services. So I became really good in the medical management of psychiatric patients. And guess where a lot of the medical problems were they were down on the drug unit? So then I got interested in that population and how to get people off drugs. Even though I'd worked in a county hospital for, you know, 15 years, well, 10 years. never anybody had given me any guidance on drug withdrawal and how that could be a discipline

and there was a guy there at the time this is like 1980 1986 and there was a guy there that had made a clinical discipline out of drug withdrawal and I'm going to learn that and learned how to do that and then I started I got pretty good at it and then people were asking me to see more and more of these drug addicts who also had lots of medical problems and the whole while I was so fucking hubristic. I was like, oh, what goes on in those rooms? Those 12 step on the wall? That's what is that nonsense? Those 12 steps? I do real medicine. And I watched some people go young, healthy people go from dying to amazing over the course of like three months. And I was just like, what is that? What is happening? I need to know, I need to understand more about that. And that's

kind of how I got into it. I mean, you got into it. I mean, your father was a doctor. Right? Yeah. And were you captivated by what he did as a, as a youngster? Did you... I think I idolized him in some fashion. I always just assume that's what I would do. I hit Amherst College in 1976 and, you know, ran straight into winter there.

And the level of competition intellectually there was insane. And after a semester of doing pretty well, when I just tapped out, I'm like, I can't do this. I'm not meant for this. There are really smart people here. Those guys get to do this. This isn't for me. And I spent about a year and a half screwing around doing music and theater. You sing?

Yeah, yeah. Did you see me on the mass singer? Well, that's what I was going to ask. I mean, I mean, did you want to be a performer? Did you want to be? For about five minutes, I thought about going to West Germany and really training seriously in opera, because I was pretty good. I could create a pretty good sound, and I was, you know, decent at classical music. But I was, you know, thank God I did not do that because I am a terrible musician.

And I have a son who's a really well-trained classical singer and pianist, and he's the real deal. I was not even a dilettante. Do you sing together? I don't know if we've ever done that. Come on, doesn't he play any little Jim Crocey or a little... No, no, no, he's classly trained so we could maybe...

So he doesn't know Jim Croce. End of the second act of Othello or something and do a duet. But so I wisely... And I got very depressed, very depressed during that period. And started having panic attacks and just, I was a wreck.

And I was the whole time going, well, that medicine thing, that's what they want me to do. I'm not that. I don't know. I'm going to find my own way. Blah, blah, blah. And then finally, after about a year and a half of that nonsense,

I had the courage to go, I'm pretty good at science. I wonder if I went back to that. And I immediately felt better. I immediately thought, oh, oh, there's something there. And started working my way back. And then I had to get my act together fast. Because now it's my junior year in college.

I've got one semester of pre-med under my belt. And I've got to go to school full time. I've got to kick ass in everything. I've got to take, you know, multiple science classes, which was considered death at my college. You just didn't do it, but I did it. And made it through. What is that?

What is that like, because I never had that drive. Maybe it was certain things, but I mean, it just seems so overwhelming, so daunting to imagine to become a doctor. The things you have to, you have to really want to become a doctor to go through that. Yeah, yeah, which I, when I was a freshman in college, it would have been terrible if I'd done it. When I returned to a junior year, I was on.

I was like, and there's something about the male brain. My brain was not mature enough to sit and do the work that needed to happen when I was 19. I was 18 when I got to college. But at 1920, well, now I could do it. I could suddenly do it. It was really interesting. And I could kind of excel at. I was into it. I was very, very, very into it. So you love the work. You love being around

people who love the work. I just love science and I love the rigor of the training. And I was a very well-trained scientist by the end, actually. And then when I got to medical school, I remember we would have gross anatomy at the end of the day every day. And I would get out of that anatomy lab and my car would always be on the roof of this parking lot. And I would just walk on I just go oh my god I'm so happy to be oh I feel like I've got such purpose I feel like this is so meaningful I'm so delighted to do it and so it's just gratitude all the way across now by the time I got into the wards in third and fourth year I got a little less oh more overwhelmed that's when I sort of workaholism kicked in and stuff my codependency so the residents would like

kick the shit out of me for years and then when I got back around to residency then I was into it again i was back really really really i mean do you just ever think and you probably i see this is the thing with science is that it's always changing and there's always things to learn it's almost like being a technician or somebody who's with the internet shit in a and analogically speaking you have to keep up to date with and there's that's overwhelming for me even to think about i think of it the way airline pilots have to keep up to date on the you know the aircraft and what's going on and make sure that judgment is good and i don't know somehow piloting an aircraft to me feels about the same. And yeah, I can tell you this, there's two aspects to this

keeping up part. One is, well, there's actual testing you should be doing every year. And I do this thing called the MKSP every year. I've done it for 20 years. You have to or you just do it? It's a way of keeping your medical education sort of at the top level. It's just a, it's just a you know, you don't have to, but I do it. Do you think a lot of doctors do that? A lot of guys do. A lot of guys and gals do, but, but, but I, I don't know if it's a minority or not, probably a minority, but, but there are, there's people that do it, you know what I mean, and I'm one of them. I have no trouble keeping up on the reading, because I like it, I'm into it, I read the three journals a week, but that's, that's kind of easy, that part. The, the more meaningful part

is what you get from your peers. This is the part that people don't appreciate, that you have to be interacting with your peers to, to, to know what, what's happening right now. You have to be talking to the specialists. You have to be hearing from the because the sub-specialist in medicine, you know, the cardiologist, the gastroenterologist, the neurologist, they're the ones that sort of set the practice and what they're doing

you have to be interacting with because they're the ones moving things along all the time and we as internal medicine kind of come along with them. Yeah. So, you know, good peers and their practices sort of set the tone for what we do.

And then I go, oh yeah, reading about that. I get what he's doing or he or she's doing. There's the practice of that. I'm seeing it in my patient right now and I will adopt that. Do you see guys that are relatively bright, but you're like, this guy should never become a doctor. And they're with you. They're graduating with you, whatever the case, but you're like that that kind of person usually finds their way into a field where they don't have to care. You know what I mean? There's fields of medicine like pathology or certain things where you're caretaking is you know you're just a technician at certain points you know you just need to do a great job and that's all they want to do they want

to be a great surgeon or they want to be a great pathologist or wherever it is they they don't have to it's better when they care but they don't have to care right yeah so i don't mind those i want those guys because i need these technicians that can really you know when i had my prostate out. I just asked the guy, what's, what's complication rate? Not 1100 complication rate zero. I go, fine. Let's go. And that was it. What was that? 2013? Oh, I was diagnosed 11 years ago. Right. Yes. So it was 13. Yeah. So what, what happens? I mean, that's, that's something we can just touch on, you know, trying to give the audience a little information here. And they probably should know this, but a lot of people don't. Like, you should

get your prostate checked every year, right? And it's, and by the way, is blood enough? Because a lot of doctor will say, oh, just check your PSA level, or do you need, not to be rude, but do you need a finger in your ass, doc? Definitely the finger in the ass. It's every year after 50 for all men, unless you have a first degree relative with prostate cancer, then in which case it is every year after 40. And so you recommend the blood and the finger. Better.

Blood for sure. Finger. Why is the finger better? It's not better than blood. It's just corroborative. There's such a thing as a low PSA prostate cancer. And they're actually really bad. so there is such a thing right and you would feel it and you would feel it when you reach in there

you know i hadn't gotten one i only had shown the magical finger you know i had only gotten one last year for the first time and i'm 48 years old 47 years old that's you know that's okay that's okay my grandfather my grandfather had it but he got rid of it but yeah he did have it so So you could argue, it's really not technically a first-to-re-relative, but you could argue you should start a 40, but definitely at 50. Right. And the colonoscopy, I just had one of those. You know, everybody said it was that bad. Like, I really didn't feel that bad.

I took the liquids. I took them all at the same time for the most part. I didn't do it the way you probably should. And, yeah, I went pretty hard. It was like liquid fire for a couple hours. The preps are a little easier now. Yeah. Nothing.

I mean, you're out. You don't know what's going on. Oh, my gosh. I remember talking to the doc, and the next thing I know is like, all right, I didn't see anything in there. Now, people, when they get the polyps, is that a concern? Like when you have polyps and they took them out, that's the concern? Well, it changes how we screen you. And I'm a big advocate.

Once you have polyp, you need a follow-up in one to three years, depending on what kind of polyp it is, that sort of thing. But more than that, I'm a big advocate of genetic screening now. So there are syndromes of primarily how your DNA repairs itself, right? Your DNA is always making mistakes. I mean, the biochemistry of DNA replication is so complicated that, of course, there are going to be mistakes. And there's a whole system in your cells of mistake repairs. And some people's repair systems aren't that great. So sometimes these DNA errors get through, and that is a cancer or that's a polyp.

and there are certain genetics that you can test for to see whether you're one of those people. And I always had a hunch that I was because there's colon cancer, my family, and my dad, my unclept prostate cancer. So I did this thing called color.com, which I recommend for everybody, c-o-l-or.com. It's about 200 bucks. They test you for the 30-35 most common DNA, sort of like BRCA, you know, Brocka genes. Well, there's about, there's actually about 400 things like that, but there's 30-35 common. ones. And I have one. I have something called Lynch syndrome. I'm an MSH6 lynch, which puts me at risk for colon cancer and prostate cancer. And so now I have to get an upper and lower endoscopy

every year because, and my sons had to start there is at 25 because they had it too. Yeah. I mean, look, it's important to just be on top of it. Look, a lot of guys, it's always been like, I don't want to go to the doctor. I don't want to go to the doctor. I don't want to go to the doctor. I don't want to go to the doctor. You're going to die. I have a lot of friends that don't want to go to the doctor. I'm fine. I feel great. Your grade is not the game. The game is prevent getting sick. Prevent the cancers. Pick them up when they're early before

they get away. It's about staying. Get on your blood pressure medicine. Stay on your cholesterol. Do these things that make you live longer. We live way longer than we're supposed to. And it's pharmacology and screening that helps us do that. Well, it's also the same thing with going to psychiatrists,

going to a therapist, doing that. You know, thank God it's normalizing a little bit where everyone's sort of talking about it now or more people, especially in my show, we talk about that. And, you know, I always say I'm not a doctor, but, you know, you should probably go see a therapist. Should I probably talk to someone who knows what they're talking about. I went for 11 years. You went to a therapist for 11 years. Oh, yeah. Best thing I ever did. What years were these? Age of about 33 to 44, something like that. So, so I have an anxiety disorder.

And I could tell you, I had panic attacks and depression when I was in college, but I have generalized anxiety. I'm a little on the OCD spectrum. And we have triplets. And during the early years, my anxiety was spinning. My workaholism was crazy. You know, how am I going to support through? I was just, I was nuts. Then at the age of one, one of our kids needed brain surgery.

And I guess I spun out like a top. I wasn't aware of it. But my wife called me at work one day. I went, you need to talk to a therapist. And I was like, yeah, yeah, because I'd always thought it would help me with my work with the drug addicts and stuff. I was starting to do that. And I go, yeah, I'm absolutely going to get. She goes, listen to me, go.

It just, my, the hair stood up in the back of my neck. I went, okay, okay, I hear you. Wow. You down, made the call, started. And it was beyond wonderful. Well, you know, you really need one person in your life. I always say that you just trust that whatever that person says, you are, for the most part, are going to take that advice.

Is Susan, your wife, that seems like it's one person when she tells you something. Well, in certain times, but when I know she's serious, then she's pretty serious. And I will take that direction. The kind of therapy I did, though,

was not advice-oriented at all. It was, turned out, I had a weak connection the way I conceptualize these things. So the primary sort of problem today that people have is regulating their emotions, right? We call that affect regulation. And I had a particular issue where I was not strongly connected to my primary emotions.

So they were sort of vague and I couldn't really feel them. So I had to do insight-oriented deep what's called emotionally focused therapy to try to connect up to those emotions. And you essentially do that by sitting with another person in proximity, mutual mutas and just going, I'm feeling whatever it is. And then that person reflects back to you on their face and with their voice, an understanding of your experience, which is called a second order representation, that you then is sort of a metabolized emotion that you then take back in. So it's primary emotion, metabolized emotion, internalized, and identified and connected

emotion. So if I say Dr. Drew, you ask me how I feel, and I'm feeling, I feel sort of like tingly, like almost numb. I feel like I'm anxious. It's in my chest. I feel like I just feel like I'm just anxious and I don't know why and I just feel like I'm ahead of myself. And that was me. That's how, that's what I deal with. You would go, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. Well, what's just, just tune in like what? I get to your anxious. I get to your anxious. What, what comes up? What do you feel it. What else is there? What's on your mind? What's like what pops into your head, right? Right. And then, and then following that. And so I've gotten very good at doing that for other people, too, because I've been the object of that. And for drug addicts, that is a particularly important thing

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I wish I could emulate. I wish I could be aspire to be a Dr. Drew. We all want to be. But then I look and then you talk about your anxiety and your flaws and all these things. Everyone's human and if anything, it helps knowing that top doctors, people that really help other people get the same thing that we do. Of course. I mean, there

are people that are highly narcissistic that will tell you that feelings don't matter for them and good if they're a surgeon, bad if they're a psychiatrist or a psychologist. You know what I'm saying? I mean, there's a place for everything. But you should all

always be skeptical if people seem to they're not connected to their emotions but they tell you that emotions don't matter so you went to therapy you did you had anxiety you took did you ever take X or any of those things I did it made things worse I was really mismanaged in college

people give me a bunch of things it was all bad and I think I was so badly mismanaged in college that I think is what got me interested in for a long while I was you know on love line and stuff I was helping adolescence and young adults. And I think that interest came for the fact that there was no medical services for adolescence and young adult when I needed it.

I mean, I really needed it. And I remember I went down, you know, I had a sense that these panic attacks were psychiatric. And so I went to the mental health services at the college, which was in the bell tower, fascinatingly, in the belfry. And they sent me down to the medical doctor, at that time was some retired guy, you know, it's in New England, some retired guys serving his time there.

And he looks at me and he goes, you need to get your act together. Just take some long walks in the woods or something. I'm like, I would. I'm crucible. That's going to make me, that's going to take care of this? Now I'm, how I'm feeling. I don't think so, but I would happily, no. It was complete, disgusting mismanagement.

And I always thought, oh, man, I got to make sure that this doesn't happen to anybody else. So mismanagement. like you were doing too many things and you had no kind of structure in a way were there were there those issues i was profoundly depressed and i was having disabling panic attacks and there was pharmacology available at the time that could have helped me there was of course psychotherapies and things that could have helped me and to have a a family practitioner look at me and go get your act together boy it was destructive i mean it was just terrible and then i had one therapist who was no good and then finally I found a good one and kind of got me through it a bit but it's still

struggled for a long time. See, I think what you just said right there is very important because people looking for a good therapist. They think, okay, I meet a therapist. I guess I should just stay with him thinking, oh, well, therapists are therapists. They're not. If you don't like them, if you're not feeling comfortable, if you don't feel like opening up, you probably should look for another therapist, correct? They each, just like everything else, they each have their strengths and talents. And you as a patient don't really know what you need at the beginning. It's hard to tell sometimes. I didn't know what I needed when I was starting out. I would say it's a good bet generally. Here's sort of general principle. These days, trauma is so

common that you probably need some trauma-informed therapy. So somebody who's got some specialization of trauma is usually helpful. And secondly, whatever technique they're using does not matter as much as their capacity for deep empathy. So you need to feel felt. If that person must be laser-beam focused on you. You feel that that focus is there. That's all you need. You know, it's weird. I swear, I don't know what it was because I've had male therapists for a long time. And then last year, I have female therapist.

And for some reason, I connect so I can get emotional. I'm like, who am I? I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that male therapists aren't good. I'm just saying, for me, having a female presence, I don't, maybe have something to do it. I'm sure you're thinking, oh, it probably has issues with his mother. maybe but also I think women are better at doing this kind of connecting they just naturally can connect that way we as men we struggle to do it and each of us and that doesn't diminish the power

or the work of any male therapy some of them are extremely good yeah but I think women more easily do this uh than the rest of us yeah and they are maternal figures if they feel like mothers to me when I talk to them they they there's something comfortable in to be fair That was what, and I didn't get what I needed from my home. And so a lot of the work was finishing that work up. You know, you go back to talking about how you wanted to be a voice. You were quoted here. You said, my goal was always to be a part of pop culture and relevant to young people,

to interact with the people they hold in high esteem. Yeah, the idea was that I, again, because of my own horrible experiences in adolescence, I thought we got to focus. This was in the day of AIDS, too. And no one was talking to them about this. It was, you know, it was Anthony Fauci that motivated me to go on the radio. Do you know this? No.

Oh, he was a big player in the AIDS thing. And I was working on the, I was just deep in the AIDS epidemic. And he was out there going, you got a young doctor, you got to go educate, you got to change behavior. They're going to be 10 million dead if we don't change their behavior, blah, blah, blah. And so I took that very seriously. And I had an opportunity to go on the radio. And I was like, oh, no one's talking to young people about this, this, but we just had stopped calling grids. we were now calling AIDS.

We had the A causative agent, which at that time we called HTLB3, if you remember. The terms of duct had not been coined yet. No one was talking to young people. And it was considered scandalous when I started to do it. And I thought, why? We have to change the behavior.

They're going to get this infection if we don't. So it was a really, he was a big part of my motivation to go in there and be talking about it. But the point was, as it went along, that I felt like I was always trying to insert myself into the cultural vehicles, whatever they might be, so I could reach people, particularly young people. And I always thought, because they're really on the trajectory, they're establishing the trajectory of their life.

And some small adjustments can keep it heading towards, you know, ionosphere as opposed to landing in the ocean. And I just was fascinated with that idea. I just thought it was an important thing to do. Then I sort of drifted off of that into addiction generally, and I sort of continued to see that as one of the major problems of our time. And that is young people and adults now. And still I try to use cultural vehicles to make a difference.

That's the idea. Get in, crawling into stuff that may be uncomfortable, but if it makes a difference, go ahead and do it. Hence like a love line. The love line was the original thing, but hence like a celebrity rehab. Yeah, which I watched all the time. I remember on Loveline, you know, I remember being a guest in your show. It was late at night. I was doing, I forgot what I was doing.

But I remember asking you if urinating helps after sex if you, you know, if you don't get an STD. I'm not sure it was the brightest question in the world, but I still pee after sex. Is that smart? It's not going to make much of it in for a male. For women, it's smart because they can get urinary tract infection. So it doesn't prevent STD. it prevents urinary tract infections in women.

But can't guys get UTIs? Not really. Are urethruthers are too long. With women, the urethras are short, and bacteria gets pushed up into the bladder very easily. So women should pee,

I should relax. I don't need to go to the bathroom. It's not a bad habit, not a bad habit. I mean, it cleans out the urethra and maybe, you know, prevent some irritation.

Right. You know, I'm only bringing this up because, you know, it's a news, and only because I, I commend you, and I find it really amazing

how after the whole COVID-19 thing, and I know you've heard so much shit about it. But, you know, in the beginning, when really nobody knew anything, you know, your outlook was obviously way different than it is now. Your sort of perception. It wasn't way different.

I got to tell you, now that we're here, it's not way different. I, when I look, I talked to a producer yesterday who was producing this show in Denver that I was on four months ago. And I told him,

I said, I feel now exactly the way I did when I was shooting my mouth off on your show, which is we don't know what's going on. The press needs to shut up. Everyone needs to listen to Fauci and the CDC. They should be your guiding star, but the press needs to shut up because they are going to create a panic, and that panic is going to create God only knows what horrors. Now, here we are in the state of California, where we overshot, in other words, we were so good,

that the disease rate was about 200 times less than we predicted. Good job. Maybe we could have navigated through this and maybe been down by a factor of 10 or a factor of 5 and not had to have closed everything down the way we did. The CDC never recommended that. They never recommended it. So I stand by what I said,

which is the CDC in your guiding light. If you do more, I understand why the governor in California did more. And I feel bad for him because that was a tough decision. And I stood behind him when he made it. I said, look, he's got a plan for the worst case scenario. If his judgment is that we need to shut it all down and get a mercy ship in here and, you know, get 30,000 ventilators in here, his job is repair for the worst case scenario. I think it's a gross overreaction. I said it at the time, but I will stand behind him because that's a hard call.

Now, in retrospect, it's easy to go, hey man we way way way over did it we could have done the we we let we lighten things up now because you know we've shown that okay we've flattened the curve and we don't actually know scientifically when the people talk about following the science we actually do not know whether or not lockdown shelter in place is different or has a different effect than wearing a mask and social distancing and people are conflating the word social distancing social distancing does not include shutting down businesses and and sheltering in place that's something the government did and okay it worked but it worked so well maybe you didn't need to do that maybe it maybe it'll

be just as good if we wear our masks and social distance it may be i don't know i don't know but it's it's worth a shot and then chase it and make sure we you know really have enough people who's the other thing the governor is doing this really good. He's got a whole army of people to chase little outbreaks and make sure those are contained. Yeah. So what do you think, I mean, obviously you don't have an Oracle, but what do you think is going to happen in the next couple months? Is this going to go on for months and months and months? The part I didn't know about this virus is clinically how it affects at risk population. So people over 75, people with essentially metabolic syndrome, hypercholestrelemia, hypertension, central obesity and stuff.

I've now seen cases, and it is brutal. It is awful. And until we come up with some treatments for that, I am very concerned about this illness. And the other thing, it is more contagious than the flu. It's highly contagious. So those were the two pieces that I have changed my opinion on. That it is more contagious. And by the way, the day that Tony Fauci, Anthony Fauci said, it's not the flu, it's more contagious.

it's more deadly. That was the day I changed my opinion. And then I saw some cases, and now I'm, you know, see it, how awful it is. When it's bad, man, it is just, whew. And so we find some treatments for that, which I think we're on the verge of. Yeah. We're very cautious with this thing. Redemisvere? Remed. What is it? Remdesivir is one thing, but I think there are going to be some immune modulatory interventions that we will understand how to use much better very soon. There may be monoclotal antibodies. We're starting to grab. up on convalescent serum. And by the way, a pitch for everybody, give blood. There's all this focus on food. There's a lot of food around. We have shortages of blood. Give blood. That saves lives.

Well, that's not something you hear constantly like you have with all this other stuff going on. Because I'm hearing news and it's changing every day and this and don't do this and this. But you don't hear enough. Give blood. Your blood, man. All this focus on, we've got to feed. We've got to feed.

Look, obesity is the number one risk factor. for this thing. And there's a lot of food. I'm glad people are taking care of the food, but let's focus on what really going to save lives in the very immediate term, very immediate term, which is blood products. If you've had COVID, give convalescent serum. If you haven't, go give blood. You're not going to catch it by giving blood. Don't worry. Yeah. And what do you think about like hanging out with your friends or maybe a friend or two if you're wearing masks and you're separated? I mean, there's a lot of people who, you know, look down on things. What do you do at this point like because you know people are alone people want to but they want to be respectful and then

there's some of those people those idiots sorry that they are that I don't have to wear a mask I'm like well if it says no shoes no shirt no service why can't we add a mask to that equation we should and as we open up the only way we're going to be opening up successfully is if we are diligent with the social distancing and the masks but yeah if you have a friend over and you're particularly you're out of doors and you're wearing a mask and you're greater than six feet apart and neither of you were feeling poorly and nobody has a fever, that's probably safer than being in your home with, say, food delivery, you know, but we've never compared lockdown that I know of. Maybe somebody can show me the data where it has been compared to my knowledge, never compared

lockdown versus social distancing and wearing a mask. They may be exactly the same. And I'm hoping they are. But in order for us to maintain the mask and social distancing, we have to do that really diligently. So I'm not in favor of these Yahoo's not wearing masks. You've got to do it. We're going to all end up back, you know, who knows, you know, how would they would respond in a second wave. One of my celebrity friends said, I'm not going to give his name. People have no idea how many people Dr. Drew helped for free. Oh, that's true. I mean, you're helping, you're helping me right now. This is true. No, no. And he's not, wherever that is, not just talking about on the radio or through media, I, I, 40% of the time, I didn't get paid for what I did

treating drug addicts. And when I did get paid, I usually got paid a fraction or whatever should be being paid. Because it's just, so it is. If you want to help drug addicts, there's not a lot of available resources. Do you still check in with the guys from the celebrity rehab or, you know, guys that are going through it or have survived? And did they still call you for help? Daniel Baldwin a couple days ago. He's a new man, man. He is inspiring. Oh, my God. Daniel Baldwin, who I

struggled with, and now he's just this great, great, great guy. And a lot of him, Jenny Ketchum is now a social worker in Seattle. And married with a baby. I mean, she was a porn star when I got, we got my hands on her. Stephen Adler's doing, a lot of them are doing very, very,

very well. And some passed away of opiate addiction. And that's, I think people understand now the opium addiction is fatal. And once they got away from me, guess what? They went to their pain doctors. Pain doctors put them back on the pain meds. They overtook them and died.

See, that's, that's another thing. You know, I've dealt with a lot of chronic pain my whole life. You know, I've surgery, back surgery, and this and that. And I've done everything you probably can for chronic pain. You know, and I'm a, I could go on and I live my life and, you know, I don't sit there and constantly complain about it. But I have always these issues. I'm always like, you know, I'm always in pain.

Never comfortable. You know, so what do you say to people who are in chronic pain? Something that they can't, they can't, is you think there's an answer for everything or sometimes you're just going to have to deal with it and that's just it? Well, it's more complicated than that. There's two components of pain. There's a matic component. I hit my finger with a hammer.

My finger hurts. But there's another piece that's mediated through a part of the brain called the insula cortex. And the insula is where we feel. essentially or how we feel literally how we feel and and the insula sort of registers the misery component of pain or what we call the affective charge of pain and in people with chronic pain that are other usually people with severe chronic pain or dysregulated because of trauma and their insular cortex goes off and one of the unfortunate realities is that opiates make that

even a more powerful reaction where it's just now overwhelmingly miserable all the time and gets worse the more and the longer you expose to opiates. In addition, in addition to causing more misery, you actually develop something called hyperalgesia where the inexperience of the somatic component is intensified as well. So it's the worst possible combination. Opiates are not a good treatment for chronic pain. So the other, the kinds of interventions that do work are more in the sort of neurobiofeedback zone and multiple modality, old-fashioned pain management. My uncle was the first president of the American Academy of Pain Medicine.

And I used to go consult at his pain unit, which was physical therapists, biofeedback, psychologists, psychotherapist, psychiatrist, internists, just multiple, multiple modalities, He's each kind of going in and trying to adjust this essentially experience and make it more tolerable for people. Right, because I definitely am one that, you know, I don't touch drugs. We had acupunctious. We had all kinds of, pressure, in all kinds of things. And it's hard to predict what's going to work for a given individual. And Stanford right now, I think that's a pretty good job of their pain program.

Who would you call if you were suffering from chronic pain, you just wanted to make sure you've covered all the bases? Like, you know. I think I'm going to make sure. sure I went to a comprehensive multidisciplinary pain program, something like the Stanford Pain Unit. And you go in there and you tell them everything you've done, everything you're working on, the pain, and all that stuff. And they will sort of slowly just evaluate you and process.

Because for me, I think it's been process of elimination. Like, how do I get rid of that? Well, they have all kinds of interesting, you know, techniques. And some of them in the mindfulness zone and some of the, it's all kinds of stuff. I've done everything. I did the MDR. I mean, that helped. It didn't help for that.

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Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show. All right. This is it. This has been awesome, by the way. I could talk to you forever. You're so easy to talk to. That's why I think, unlike a lot of doctors, it's just that you're so personable and you know so much and you've worked so hard and you work with so many people and celebrities and non-celebrities. And I love having you here. And I've been trying to get you on the show forever because I just think, I truly think you're an amazing human being. So thank you. So these are, this is called shit talking with Rosenbaum.

This is from my patrons. There's a lot of people out there. So I just ask a few questions. you could, you don't have to, you know, you can shorten your answers or whatever, but you could be quick with these. Lisa said, I'm not quick. Is that okay, too? You could be whatever you want. Lisa, what was your experience like on the masked singer? Are they really that secretive?

Oh, my God, yes. It's so secretive. You can't anybody that you have to tell, you make them sign this very intensive non-disclosure agreement. So, so, I mean, just, let me tell you, you know, you start training well before it all goes down. And only my wife and my manager and publicist knew, and they all had to sign non-disclosures. And a voice coach started showing up at my house.

And one of my sons was living here with us at the time. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to sing the Dodger game. I'm going to sing the national anthem. I'm just preparing for it. And along the way, it turned out I had a real serious injury of my vocal cords, and I had to get vocal rehab, and I had to have vocal, all kinds of people who were coming through here. And he was like, all right, what's going on? And I go, okay, sign this.

Sign the paper. I'll tell you if you have to sign up. So I had one son signed up for it. When you start production, like when you leave your home, you wear shields and hoodies and gloves and not one speck of skin can show so you can't identify your race. You're not allowed to speak until you get out of your car, into your trailer, and shut the door.

And then the only person you can speak to is a producer who comes in and shuts the door behind them. and then you're allowed to speak. Otherwise, nothing. You have no idea who's around you. You have no idea what's going on. They pay you a lot? No. If you last, you get paid pretty well.

But if you're like me, you get kicked off and knew. But you get one day of, I mean, think about it. You have to get these songs. See, my problem was I learned about 20 sort of Sinatra and Boubley songs. And then I put the costume on. And I was like, oh, my God, it's a rock eagle. I didn't know what to sing rock songs. holy shit.

So we had to chuck everything and find a whole new set of songs, get them clear, learn them. Then choreography and fireworks and staging, and it's crazy. You get one day of choreography, one dress rehearsal, an hour later you sing.

Were you nervous? Dying. Dying. And it's intense. It's super intense. Really? And the costume kind of carries you. It's weird.

You sort of become whatever these characters are. and it was one of the funnest things ever and hats off to that production man all the elements they manage it's ridiculous and keeping the secrecy at the same time all right Angie are you tired of Bert Kreischer and Tom Seguer

calling every time they do a podcast do you think Bert will ever listen to reason yes no perfect Lee and P what question to men and women ask the most when it comes to intimacy um

historically can i guess premature ejaculation for guys well it's in that zone it is more generally am i normal am i normal am i big enough is this right am i too fast am i too slow am i normal sort of they're worried about their functioning uh women also worried about men which i find ironic uh what's up with them how do they work how come i don't understand because forever we've raised men and women to believe that the motivational priorities are the same at 19 or 20 or 24. But they're not. They're very, very different. And so it's extremely confusing if you're not realistically assessing one another and teaching

people about these motivational systems that are going in the brain. I mean, ultimately, we're all human, but our motivational systems are very, very different at that age. Isn't there something that someone said where you're like, yeah, that's not normal? No, that's not. I mean, there's all the time. I'm sure, I'm sure. Right?

Because everybody has their sexual, what do you call it, mishaps? Or those things where you're like, you know, you're like, ah, I couldn't, I thought I was about to have an orgasm, and then I couldn't, and then I went limp. Does that sound familiar at all? Orgazum and nothing came out. And it's retrograde ejaculation, and that's common. It's not a big deal, but it does need to be looked at a little bit.

So there's plenty of stuff where I'm saying, get that looked into. Rakin, what does Dr. Drew think of the effect of quarantine is going to have on people suffering from addiction, better or worse? I think what I'm seeing, I think, and again, this is the data has yet to come in yet, I think people are switching to alcohol. I think I'm seeing a really significant upswing of alcohol right now. I've never had quite so many calls for people with real out of control alcoholism all of a sudden.

And I've noticed that I think the meth is down. I think the gangs are staying indoors because of fear of, COVID, and so they're not distributing as aggressively as they were. So I think meth is down, and I think they're switching to alcohol. And if you go to the homeless, somebody was just telling me this in Venice, there's much more alcohol bottles out on the street, and the homeless are more irritable and aggressive, which is, again, alcohol. Well, you know, just when you thought being homeless couldn't be worse.

Yeah. Well, it's interesting. The homeless actually have a very low incidence of COVID, very low, because they're outdoors. There's a study in China when they looked at 318 outbreaks of three or more cases, of two or more cases, most had three to five cases, 80% were in the home, 34% were in contained transportation environments. One case of 318, the average was 3 to 5, one case was out of door, and it was a one-to-one two-person transmission.

out of doors is clearly a better environment for people to be in and indoors. So again, moving outside, if like I said, you want to have your friend over, sit out of doors, wear a mask, be six feet apart, probably just fine. Oh, anxiety. Emily asks, what advice would you give to someone who deals with depression every now and then and who may not have the financial benefits of going to a therapist? It depends where you are. I mean, there are, if you're in Los Angeles, there's something called the Maple Center that will, has excellent therapists, and they are free if you can't pay. I mean, most in most areas have at least prorated services available for psychotherapy. And sometimes, you know, intermittent depression and whatever's going on there may not take a lot of visits, kind of tune things up and to make a plan and things you can even do on your own after somebody figures out what's going on.

so my goodness i mean do you go out to dinner and spend 50 bucks that's all the cost to go to therapist so i don't understand why you wouldn't do that i i'll tell you from experience i just know i always say exercise is so important i mean what would you because i just know that i feel better after i do it well exercise you know long walks and classical music have performed admirably uh when measured against anti-depressive medication and i have noticed that with this particular outbreak, I've been really depressed this whole time. And what I don't like is being unable to see the future. I don't like that.

I can't plan or see a future, and it's very depressing thing. And I turned it around by running outside in the sun. Having the sunlight, getting the air, getting the exercise, made all the difference in the world for me. Is there a vitamin? Is there something away from depression? Is there some kind of vitamin that you just stand by, not that you're trying to promote it, but something that you should be taking every day. I don't care who you are.

This is the, whether it's vitamin D or is there something that you just, there's that one. I'll tell you what I'm doing. Okay. And I will qualify each one as to whether it's, hey, it's just me. Hey, there's a promotion attached to it or, hey, we all do this. Right. Clearly vitamin D should be enhanced in the day of COVID.

I've been a vitamin D fan for some time. There are benefits to getting your vitamin D levels up well beyond. How many milligrams? I take about $5,000, $6,000 a day. Okay, somewhere between 5 and 10, but even that it's hard to get it up sometimes. I take a multivitamin, not because of the multivitam, because it has minerals. And I do, I'm a big fan of maintaining it. We don't get a lot of minerals in our diet many times.

And so I'm a fan of maintaining minerals. I do that. I'm not saying you should do that. So I'm saying, do vitamin D, listen to what I do. You can think about it for yourself. The studies on people that take multivitamin show fairly consistently, that people that take multivitamins that die before people who don't take multivitamins. That's the science.

Do with what you would do with you will of that. I take vitamin C, mostly because I'm on sort of a, I'm on kind of a keto diet, and so I don't get a lot of vitamin C, so I take vitamin C. I take this project, this product called True Nijigen. I do promotion for them, but I, 18 months ago, was convinced that NAD metabolism is an important part of aging. It's also something helpful in people coming off drugs and alcohol. People get NAD infusions and this true nitrogen enhances your NAD metabolism.

In May, the science looks like it may reduce cell senescence, meaning it might affect aging. So I take that every day. I'm persuaded. It also has some anti-credit. Oh, you look great. Whenever somebody says that to me, I go, God, I wonder if it's not. I wonder if it is. It's, maybe.

Let's see, I'm leaving something out. Fish oil, you've got to make a decision about. There's controversy around that, you know, and what combination you want. But I do take fish oil. What about, like, in terms of inflammation with eating a lot of red meat? And is there a lot of truth to that? No.

What there's truth to is, in fact, that whole thing has been really shut down. I would refer you to the work of Kate Shanahan, who is a, you had an interviewer. She would come in. Okay. She's a really good biochemist. She's a family practitioner. She can tell you really important things about nutrition.

The things we can know. We don't know much, really, the things we do know. But the one thing we also know is that central obesity is inflammatory. And one of the things that we're learning about COVID is if you have fat across your abdomen, you are one of these people that may get cytokine storm. And my patients that had antifospholipid syndrome, insulin resistance, central obesity did very poorly with COVID. So there is all, in other words, my hypothesis is they were already inflamed because of this inflammatory organ, we call adipose across the central part of their body. That does seem to be true.

COVID is reinforcing that fact. Now, meat is not the mediator of that. How much red meat should I have? Talk to Kate. Talk to Kate. I'm not a nutritionist. This is just what I do. I believe, at least at this point in my life, that the carbohydrate story is a much more serious story, particularly for people with metabolic syndrome like myself. And again, all the people that did poorly with COVID ate too many carbohydrates. I mean, the carbohydrate problem, insulin resistance, I think that may be the major story here and not meat. wow this has been fantastic uh you know so let me just so where we can find you and listen to you because you're always full of so much knowledge the dr drew podcast correct it's all my website

dr drew dot com doctor drew dot com a daily stream where we just sort of go over what's going on with the covid thing and answer your questions uh on sundays we do a call-in show um with guests and then i do an adam and do a show with adam carola how is that being back with him we've been doing it for like seven years I think or eight years so Oh wow really I've been out of my life really Do you guys ever flip out on each other

Is there every time we're like Dude shut the fuck up Adam Not lately I've been too late I would say What is it that bothers you What is it that fires you up when he says something What is it? Is it the cynicism or is it what is it

I told him he goes Do I have any you know he was asking me to be critical of him And I said Adam You have a blind spot around aggression he can be very aggressive sometimes the point where you can't respond because he's so aggressive and then he gets mad at you for not responding so i don't like that bind i i i the aggression you know he'll just become extremely aggressive where you just you kind of freeze and uh i don't like that is that something that just hop it as an approach i mean you're a guy

that's pretty mild mannered i mean i'm sure you lose your shit i have have you have I haven't seen you lose your shit No, not publicly probably Last time I lost my shit was about three years ago And I just got on a keto diet And you can get kind of aggressive, I think, from that diet And I went and somebody was trying to get me to do something That I didn't think was right

And I really lost it on her She was a friend of mine And I hung up and I had to call back and go I am so sorry, I had to go on an apology tour It was not right, not me Well, you're human, we're all human Look, thank you. I can't thank you enough for this This has been a blast.

I really, because, you know, I don't really interview doctors. So I sort of knew you, but I was like, you know, I've been on his shows and this and that. But, you know, I just, once we got talking, you're so easy to talk to. And I think that's, that's just a rarity. That's a great quality you have. And I want to thank you for allow me to be inside of you. That's why it's easy for me. So there you go.

All right. Well, thank you again. And open invitation, you're amazed by the folks are going to just love this. They've been, we should do something. Once more clarity comes with this COVID thing, maybe we should update, update our priors, as they say. I would love it. I would love it.

I am deeply humble. One thing I learned from this whole thing is to check my humility. Always be humble. Yeah, well, that you are. So thank you. And that's it, really. You know, that's weird because when you're zooming, there's always that moment where you're like,

all right, goodbye, and then you just sit there for three seconds while you're saying, okay, shouldn't there be a code word like, all right, just turn the other way. Don't look at me. Zoom out. Zoom out. All right, I'm going to switch you off, and I'm going to go, and I appreciate you letting me be on the show,

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Thank you for addressing some hard essential issues we all face day in and day out. I appreciate all of your content. It gives me hope. you know it's funny it's like sometimes i read these and i could feel what she's saying like she didn't say a ton she said enough and uh katy you know i'm it's so hard not to say so it's it's hard to find something creative to say or different to say that other than i'm sorry and i really am sorry and um i want you to stay strong i just want you to um give yourself a break and I want you to find a way to enjoy life.

And as I said it before, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but as far as we know, we only get one. So tomorrow's a new day. We've got to get out of bed. You know, we've got to go for a walk. We've got to figure it out. We'll figure it out. Katie, thank you for your kind letter.

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