Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Dulé Hill & James Roday Rodriguez

Episode Date: November 24, 2020

The most diverse, unromantic, hetero non-power couple Dulé Hill and James Roday Rodriguez ( Psych) join me this week on the show. The guys talk about the sustained success they’ve been able to build off of Psych throughout the years on set by not taking themselves too seriously, respecting all cast and crew to a high degree, and treating everyone with the humanity they deserve. Later in the show, both guys open up on the emotionally heart breaking, yet inspiring, experience of seeing one of their brothers/ cast-mate Tim Odmundson suddenly get hit with a fight for his life after an unexpected stroke. This episode has it all, laughs, emotion, rawness… hope you folks enjoy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But I kind of feel like it adds a little style to me. It's, um, is it, uh, European? Is it a statement or is it people are going to be like, dude, what are you doing? Well, I mean, it also should I take it off? Oh, it looks great. Are you lying? Uh-huh. Yep, I'm going to take it off.

Oh shoot. I got my headphones off. I'm all. Yeah, I trust Ryan's opinion. Francis, take it off. It was making your, it was like sort of like making your neck look longer or strained. Giraff-like? Giraff-like. By the way, did you get my text a few minutes ago? I did. What was the text? You said you were constipated.

Yes. I just wanted to fill you in because, you know, I know you're set up down here. Oh, I was ready to go and it was. Some people are turned off right now, but that's, well, I appreciate the update, really. it's been a crazy week man the world is still crazy but i read a lot of good news you know the vaccine and stuff like that's promising it looks like maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel and these test kits and all that stuff so that you know that's hopefully uh 20 20 we could put behind us soon enough but uh not soon enough no it has not been a great year for anyone you know

this week we have a great episode from the show psych if you haven't seen it but these two guys are so dynamic they're uh they might as well be a couple in fact i think we talk about that we do but uh james rhoda dulae hill both work a lot and uh charming the show ran a long time and they worked with a guy um an actor a great actor tim omensen and uh tim omensen it's a follow-up for next week they talk about him he had a stroke and uh what a tragic story but then a um uplifting story about how he has gotten back on his feet and um just a lot of love and uh that's next week the tim moments an episode and we have a very special guest for the intro uh who doesn't do many interviews i don't think i'll even mention her name but uh

an actress that also faced a lot of diversity and um has just um you know you keep going i think i think what's great is when you hear these stories you think oh well i'm not that bad or oh i don't have a stroke or I didn't have MS or I don't have MS or I don't so you put things in a perspective and you can when you can hear other people talk about their pains and things don't you think that that does help yeah for sure for sure because most things you know we talk about are trivial some aren't but a lot of things are like oh you know my anxiety it's like okay well let's manage it let's so that's a big episode next week thank you for subscribing a big shout out to the stage it winners if you haven't done stage it I'd love to see some of you guys

I mean, all the people that listen, I play live music. My partner, friend, Rob Danson, he and I were in a band called Left on Laurel, and then we actually came up with a new band title, and I'm going to say it right now. Sunspin. Sunspin. Sunspin. It's California. We met at this place called Sunset Sundays that James Gunn's brother, Sean Gunn, an actor,

used to have, and we met there. and spin is kind of like, you know, records and, you know, California life. So I thought it was simple. It wasn't too pretentious or anything. It was just sunspin. Sunspin. The more you say it, the more you might like it. If you guys don't like it, I'm sure I'll hear from you.

What? Why don't you go with your dog's name, Blanche? Taken. Sunset Sunday was taken. So, yeah, sunspin. Sunspin. Yeah. Think about that.

I'm going to marinate on it. Marinate on it, but it's pretty much a done deal. But we had to stage it and people come. when they watch live music and we play for about 45, 50 minutes. We play a Halloween special. We're doing a Thanksgiving, post- Thanksgiving bash. Saturday, November 28th is actually the anniversary of my grandfather passing the one-year

anniversary. But we're playing two shows, 2 p.m. Pacific Time and 6 p.m. Pacific time. And it's a lot of fun. I mean, anybody who's come, they, you know, we get hundreds of people come on and, you know, there's the, you can come and just watch. And then top bidders, which I'll name now, you know, they bid, they get zooms after the show and prizes and shirts and a bunch of stuff. And it's just a great time. I really fell in love with music. Talk about something that, you know, I don't expect to become a rock star. I don't expect

to make millions of dollars. Don't laugh, Ryan, you fuck. But I don't expect to make millions of dollars. I just love it. It's a passion. And there's something nice about just saying, I want to do this because I like it. And it's taking me a while. I always figured, I have to be great at this. It's not that I don't want to be great at it, but it's a challenge and it's something I really really love and the patrons on patreon.com slash inside of you and the people come to stage it's they support and help the uh you know help get our album made which we're in the um probably got a month or two left and we're done sweet but uh the first show the winners were emily sudall my friend emily sudall and jennifer neal and the second show deb alexa was the first place bitter and uh so

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But next Saturday to 28th, this coming Saturday, 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. shows, Pacific Time. And yeah, I love it. I love doing it. And yeah, our album's coming out soon, probably January, February. And, of course, the inside of you online store, just go to Inside of You Online Store. in fact take 15% off by using the coat inside 15 shirts awesome tumblers autograph mugs mugs shirts all that crap wine glasses we got a great stuff and um but yeah and of course the number one thing is ryan what's our handle for the if you want to follow us at inside of you pod on twitter at inside of you podcast on instagram and facebook youtube.com slash inside of you when you subscribe and write a review

it really helps and those that have been listening for a long time you know that because you hear me say it but um you probably need to say it every time right also thank you i just thought i'd give a shout out uh i don't know if any of you know but i played lex lutheran a show smallville for many years what yeah but uh you know entertainment weekly i was sent this today said editor's choice and it said please join me as i watch wbcw's ground raking superman origin drama which features Michael Rosenbaum giving the best Lex Luthor performance ever. That was from the editor

of Entertainment Weekly. And I thought I'd share that because it's cool. And it makes me smile. It's nice to, you know, when someone... I just like to say, hey, thanks. That's freaking cool. It's nice when somebody that's a big... They have six million things and I retweeted him. I was like, thanks. And I talked to Warner Brothers about it. You bastards. You are appreciated.

Well, you know, it's nice because, you know, you work hard and then you're like, you know, it's just nice to hear. It does fill the ego. Isn't it wrong with that? There's nothing with going, hey, look at that, entertainment weekly, deadline, screen ran. Many people think, you know, I'm okay. I need it sometimes. I need the fuel.

It's like going to the gas station and you have a little car that's okay. And you're like, you know, I'm giving the good gas this time. I don't need it. But I do. Maybe my car will run better. It won't. It will run the same. Probably worse.

Terrible analogy. Stay tuned after the show. I'll probably read a fan letter and, of course, reading all the patron names. If you're a join a patron, I usually send you a message. I'll text you one. I always do, actually. And then I read patron, top tier patron names

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They just, they're a lot of fun. It's just, was it fun? editing yeah it was yeah i figured you have a good time doing that and you'll have a good time listening guys um just the shout out to the the charities i love the ronald mcdonnell house of los angeles o'clock um echoes of hope dot org um any of those if you're in the giving spirit you know there's that thank you for listening and subscribing to the show and supporting us uh we really appreciate it i mean we do new posters return to the living dead friday the 13th i just watched all the first of the 13th with my horror zoom guys not great movies but a lot of fun the first one was good

second one and maybe one other was decent but uh and actually the one jared padalecki this is kind of neat so i had jared padalecki and daniel panabaker uh actor actors they they left messages and and said all the all my friends names and said hey nerd guys i told them what to say and uh they kind of said hello to all the horror guys that i watched the zoom with because we just watched that was the last one we watched so now we're on the nightmare on elm street and we're watching all of them so we're on one and uh and i got the boys uh a little keychain a little friday the 13th mass keychain as kind of like you made it you survive friday the 13th all of them and if you see my posts i would say friday the 13th part nine is not a very good movie and people are like what or yeah you think

dude it's part nine so it's fun because they think i don't know if they have them think I'm serious or have a, you know, whatever. Don't forget next week, Tim Omanson, big episode from Syke. He talks about surviving his stroke and how he deals with that. You're going to love that episode. And this episode is fantastic. So why don't we just hop into it? Let's get inside Duley Hill and James Rodei Rodriguez.

It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Do you guys, like James, when DeLay pops on the screen, your first feeling, is it immediately a smile or this guy? Or in your head, you're like, ugh, I'm so fucking tired of it. It's usually just a reminder that I need to shit. I mean, that's just, you know, that's just the fact they have on people, you know? I mean, that's why I like to pop up in some places.

I randomly like to pop up just to remember, you know, to remind. remind Roday to make his bowels move. That's right. That's it. It could be effective, but also it's kind. It's a nice gesture. Yeah, it's really clean. It's friendship.

Come on. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Ryan here, my engineer, you don't see him. And my friend Troy, we came up with this, that you guys are the most diverse, non-romantic heteropower couple in Hollywood. That's a lot of like subsets to get to a profound statement, you know. But did you say power or non-power?

No, I said most diverse non-romantic hetero power couple. I didn't mean non-power. I think non-power is funnier. Yeah. You think that's what I should have added? If you said it real fast that you could have really snuck that in there and we probably wouldn't realize. That would have been funny. Yeah.

Hey, you know, I mean, you guys are on one of the most successful shows. You've worked together forever. We talked about this a long time ago. but like do you still talk every day do you still text each other every day or is it more every couple of weeks it can't be that perfect all the time it can't be that easy non no non romantic heteropower couple has ever not at a school about me you got to get it right is non power couple come on we non power couple let's all get on that page because it's fun come on well is that just because it's self deprecating is that just because you guys don't really it's it's a joke because

you have power well we didn't get that memo so if this is if this is you telling us for the first time that we have power this is fun man who who told you who is coming from anybody who has a say on a tv show that they're working on and is is involved in whether it's writing creativity movies uh has a say and uh and is responsible for its evolution there's some kind of power there that i think that is warranted I see where you're coming from. You see what come from? How many people could say that?

Like, you know, in Smallville, I was just like, you know, hit the mark, Baldi. Say your lines. Yeah, but you knew they were talking to you when they said that, right? When they dropped a Baldi, you're the only bald guy owned there,

you know what I mean? That is true. That is true. No, but to your point, it's been, yeah, we've been very lucky in that regard. We get way more say on that show than any actors probably should ever have. But, you know, it's also the kind of show where, you know, inmates can run the asylum and it still sort of feels like the show.

So, you know, it's also, it's specific to what we do on that, on that show. Like, couldn't have pulled that off on the West Wing, right? Couldn't have given actors that kind of power. Wouldn't have been insane. Yeah, no, no. It probably would have turned into a very different administration, you know, very different. Was that hard, DeLay? When you're in West Wing, did it?

It was it just like always a lot of lines, always just hit your mark. You never really said much. Did you, did you ever say things about your character? Are you one of those actors who just go with it or just, I don't want to slow production down with all these questions. Let's just do it. It's not like I'm going to change that much. Well, one, when you're doing the words of Aaron Sorkin, he's very, I guess,

proficient in creating scenes and creating dynamics within characters that are fully developed. So it wasn't a lot of having to talk about that. But if there was some things that came up at, you know, moments that you wanted to go through, I would talk about it. But oftentimes, it wasn't, it wasn't that complicated. I mean, we just have to tell the story. Right. I mean, working with Martin Sheen and Allison Janney and doing the words of Aaron Sorkin. It's like, was he one of those guys like, that would be like, yeah, he said the.

There's no the in between. Yes. Come on. I never understood that. Is that true? That happens? Yeah. Yeah.

Even like, you know, there's a dot, dot, dot, dot, in between the words, you're supposed to give a little air there. But the thing is, once you, once you, I guess, you really jumped in and you didn't fight it, like within your own self, you kind of went on the ride, you realized that you realized that it worked. You realize that this is somebody who really put in the time to craft every nuance within the dialogue. If you just went with it, you would realize that there was a song to sing.

If we can all get on board, then we can create something special. What about when Rodei would direct or write something, would he go, hey, DeLottea, you didn't say the. I think Rode would be like, just get a, just get, just get, the rest of it. If you just get the, we're doing it. It's important you get the, but after that, just, you know, just, as long as you get the general gist of everything, then it's all good. Just tell the story. That's all right. I'm going back to your original question, too, is like, I think you probably talk.

like at least text at least like once or twice a week at the least amount would be like once or twice a week. But pretty much every couple of days there's some text going back about something. Something. Just a check in. Plus I got to see picks of the boy. The boy's growing

up. Yes he is. For our very eyes. How old is he? He is now 15 months. 15 months in about in about a week now. Is that hard because like you know you can't really share him with the family and friends and it's just this whole 15 months of like somebody else watch my kid please no no it's not it's not the it's not that

because i love spending time and we have so much fun together actually he in the midst of this time he brings he brings me so much joy and kind of brings me sanity in the midst of the craziness that's going on in the world but there is a sadness of other people not being able to be intimately along the journey right i do i do uh look forward to and i still miss even the idea people just stopping by, you know, say go days in town and stopping by and hanging out with them for a little bit. Yeah. You know who these people are, like, yes, I know you because you come by often. There is no

coming by right now, which is a little sad, but hopefully this will only be for a season and it'll pass on. Hey, what's that sound? What sound is that? It's terrible. It's one of you guys. It's Deulay. It's DeLay's. All right. I'll be back. No problem. What's going on with you, Rosie? Give me the quick update. that's that's pandemic life treating you you know up and down man the busier i am man you know you know how it goes if i'm if i i just spiral quickly if i do not stay active if i don't get

out of the house if i don't i started golf and i always hated golf and now i'm just alone on a golf course or with a buddy who's you know being respectful and i'm now competitive with it i love it it gets me out of the house i got dogs i got you know i'm creating a couple horror projects and uh you know it's good but i definitely i feel that sort of depression and anxious feeling that that it lingers there that's there and if i if i'm not aware of it if i don't go hey that's there let's do let's get away from that or you know if i start going you know then it's just you don't deal with that uh i've had a very look we're all having incredibly unique experiences because this is unprecedented right so

It's going to affect all of us differently. But I have found that a lot of white noise went away for me. And in a weird way, I got clarity that I wasn't expecting. Like personal clarity, I've gotten a lot of writing done with an efficiency that I'm not accustomed to. And I think it's because... all this shit that swarms around us that we've become conditioned to dealing with from the moment we leave the house isn't there. It's a new cloud for sure, but it's a different cloud.

And I don't know. I have, I guess I'm one of those jerks who, like, has, has had something. of a revelatory experience because of everything that's been happening. I think that makes perfect sense and I think in a lot of ways I have become what's the word when you self

when you're reliable self what's the word? Self sufficient Thank you. That's a word I couldn't find but I have become so all of a sudden I'm doing like hey you know what I'll print out the merch things and I'll go to the post office take all the merch and I'll

and I'm just doing I'm taking the dog, the old dog, to the vet four times a week. And I'm doing this. And I'm sending flowers to my, like, I had, I had an assistant. I had somebody who always helped me with these things. And I would have been traveling on shows and doing this. And now that I'm here and I'm alone, I have just maybe grown up a little bit. But I also feel like I have been creative.

I've been, but I also feel that this foam mode, I, you know, that there's none of that. There's not like, hey, man, we're all going to the ball game. Hey, we're all going to here. Hey, this is happening. Hey, Rosenbaum, when are you having a barbecue? you. Hey, when we're going on, there's nothing. So I'm like, ah, I don't have to do shit. I could just do my shit. DeLay, how do you feel about that? Hello, hello? Yep, that's it.

Yes. That's good. Yeah. And you look good in headphones. Now, do you have like 10 pairs of headphones so those are the best, the pair that look best on you? No, actually, I have this one and I just got another pair the other day that I haven't used it. But now, I don't have a lot of headphones. I don't use a lot of headphones. It's weird because it's not giving me the sound of myself, so I'm kind of muffled to myself. But, you know, it's like, it's good, though. You know, it's like I'm talking to myself in a cocoon. You know, it's like I'm having a little meet time, but you're right on the outside of it.

So it's, it's... I don't know what's funny. Hearing you say that or watching James listen to you, say that. Maybe if you take one of your headphones off, would that help? Try that. Oh, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. No, but that does help.

You know, you give a little bit, right? It does help. You see what I'm saying? Hey, you know, back to the whole psych thing, and we can go, because I want to talk about little horror movies. I want to talk about music. I want to talk about a bunch of stuff. But, and by the way, this won't be that long because you know, I don't like to talk too long. But, you know, to be able to do a movie off a TV show, it just, it baffles me. And people are like, well, don't you do a small movie. Why don't, like, no one's ever asked.

And I'm old, but Lex could be old. So I'm like, I don't know why. We could do a follow up. That'd be, you know, that'd be fun, right? But then I'm like, then you make another one. And you guys, there was some interview where somebody asked you, you said you would keep doing it no matter what like you love it just keep them coming is that true would you continue to do these i mean yeah i think in a in a vacuum it's tough to say that but if all of the key elements remain in place and and that one of the biggest is the appetite uh from the fans um yeah we've always sort of said that you know this was a gift of a job that kind of changed all of our lives in wonderful ways and you know people still want it and we can come together

once every couple years we want to see each other anyway like it's an opportunity for like a family reunion basically so and they never give as much time to shoot these things so it's not like it really cuts into anybody's schedule and I think yeah I think we I think it would be I think it'd be dope to be part of something where you see a character age from you know their late 20s to their deathbeds, even though DeLay will always look the same, like people will be able to document that it's been, you know, a long time. You know, it's going to be like Psych 10.

You know, Sight 10, Sean loses his hair, you see? Right. You know, when he's, the thinning hair movie. I mean, that's going to be, that's going to be such a heart-wrenching, you know, on an all-new special, a special psych movie. You see what I'm saying? But you would do it, Dulae, too. You feel the same way, James does about it?

But yeah, I mean, I love the cast. I love working all the creators involved. I love the crew. We have a wonderful time. And it's, as Rodet was saying, it's a family reunion. So I think as long as people wanted it to see it, and that's the side of it that I also enjoy is the fact that people really look forward to the movies coming out.

They look forward to seeing where these characters are. So I think as long as the appetite was there for it, I would love to keep doing. Why not? Yeah, one of my friends, I've known them for a long time. he was actually my assistant on Smallville and some other things his name's Troy and I talk about it every once in a while but Troy said that

that show it's like no other show he does tons of extra work you might know red-headed Troy oh yeah Troy used to work on site right he said he would just show up on set sometimes just because everybody just

had so much fun and everybody loved that show and the crew would just talk about it I've never heard someone. I mean, look, we had a great crew. People liked it. It was really hard work. But like the response that I hear is just like it was just they all they want to do is work on psych.

They just, it was the best job ever. And you felt that. Did you guys feel that? Yeah, because I think on our show like everyone was just respected. We all can't have a good time. No one took themselves too seriously. I think oftentimes, especially when you get actors on television shows, they can really start to take themselves seriously.

And that has a domino effect. it really changes the energy inside the space, really. And on our show, Roday and I, we were thankful to have a job. We wanted to make sure that everyone was always respected and appreciated. And I think that just translated throughout the sets. When anyone came, they always had a good time. We never got tripped up by that, like, existential sort of creative integrity conversation that I think happens a lot.

when a series begins to sustain itself. I mean, when Deulay is dressed up like a wizard and, you know, my character suddenly doesn't know how to tell time anymore, it's tough to, like, it's tough to take anything too seriously. I mean, the bits that we were doing day in and day out, like they just lend themselves to nonsense. Like, we very rarely did we stop and, like, question any of the things

that could potentially lead to conflict on a set. Plus, you know, it was a well-oiled machine. We never went over. Everybody always got to go home and see their kids, which is a big deal, as you know, in this business, to be able to have a job where you can say good morning and good night to your children is very rare. And that's what psych was.

So, of course, everybody, you know, in the crew, wanted that gig. But there had to be, James, come on. There had to be along the way a guest star who, shows up who just is like a stick in the spokes who just is like, whoa, this guy, wow, whoa, this guy's an asshole. This guy is like, he's, he's just like he's talking down to people. He's a pain in the ass. I'm sure you had to see that.

So few, though. So few, you can count them on one hand, honestly. And the reason was always the same. They didn't know the show. They didn't know what they were coming to be a part of. And they didn't get how we did things. And the things, too, is it even when you're guesting on the show, you cannot come and just blatantly be an asshole

if that's not what folks if that's not what people are doing you know it's like we just wouldn't stand for right I mean there be people who could maybe try to push it a little bit but they're only there for it's a cable show so we didn't have some long shoots you're only there for a week anyway or if that right but but again if you're coming into this into the set and everyone is

especially Roday and I are not really coming with that energy and then Tim and me Maggie aren't coming with that energy. It doesn't really leave room for you to come to. Right. If the leads are, it's like leading by example. It's like,

you know, how could I not? How could I be an asshole if these guys are everybody so nice around me? But did you ever see in all these years? How many years of psych? Eight. Did you ever see James or James, you ever see Relay?

Just go, what the hell are we doing? Come on. This is ridiculous. No, but we did have a camera assistant. have a tiny meltdown once, which became one of the great,

great runners of our show. Take me there. We were doing... Always spinning! Always spinning! We were doing some very rare process trailer work back before everybody started

doing it on green screen. And he was on one trailer. We were in the car. The director was going on about whatever the director was going on about. And he couldn't tell if his camera was much, malfunctioning or not. So he asked

on his radio if we were speeding if someone could tell him and no one no one would answer him and the conversations just kept going and people were fudcing and doing all that stuff and we just sort of watched him slowly have like a nervous breakdown until finally he just screamed

into his walkie, are we speeding? And there was no irony to it. He wasn't doing a bit. We were like, holy shit. Trevor's just lost it. holy shit tref you lost it man um and then everybody was able to laugh including Trevor but it was like that's it because those instances were so rare we can remember them very

clearly and they become stories because it was just it just never happened i i remember some just some meltdowns but i mean it was usually a great set but we were doing 22 episodes one hour dramas it was working 14 16 hour days it was this it was 15 actors guest stars explosion sci-fi people guy I've seen it I've seen everybody upset it wasn't just psych season eight where everybody's going all right are the cupcakes coming in we're just like yeah look at it was times where people would be tired and exhausted in this net but I think people still just maintained a level of composure throughout it you know yeah yeah and again thankfully on on psych both through a day now we know we we were thankful to have a job we're thankful to

to be doing what we're doing with thankful for the Cassidy crew that we were able to hang with every day. And the main thing that we, I think, just really demanded of everybody is just to give respect to everybody. I love that. So, I mean, as long as everyone played in that sandbox, then all was well. But if we ever got the point with somebody was not playing in that sandbox, then one of us wouldn't. Right. Step up. You're not going to win this battle. Right, right, right. One of you is going to stick up for the, one of you is going to take the initiative. I mean, look, and I hear you. I mean, I did a short-lived show for two years,

and I remember being the lead and a producer on it and just saying, hey, we're not here to make art. We're here to make fart. Let's have fun. Let's laugh. And that's how it was. Everybody in that crew, we had the best freaking time. It was never tense.

And that, it was a comedy. It was funny. I remember, like, what was that? Season one, I think we had a producer who was brought up to kind of run the ship. Oh, yeah. And it was from, I think, this moment that we realized. okay, this is what the show is going to be. We're going to all just have a good time.

I'll never forget, me and Roday and the crew were there, just like laughing and having a good time. And the day is going. It's starting to go, so we need to get work done. But we're getting it done. And I'll never forget. He came and he was like, all right, all right. All right, guys, enough.

Enough. Let's get to work. Let's get to work. I was like, okay. You did it like that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was pretty fantastic.

It was also like, it was the only attempt that the studio ever made at having, like, representation on our set. And it was such a quick and easy lesson that they learned of just like, oh, it's not that, it's not that show. We're just going to have to roll with this because it says that doesn't, that's not going to work. So he was only somewhere there for like maybe six episodes or something. And then they pulled them out and we never had we never had a producer on set again like no

that's yeah and then even like it was to say if it was a director that was an asshole either myself or O'Dare somebody would just kind of give a call and say that he had that person can't come back because

and even if they treated us fine because sometimes we would even hear that for us we loved them and they would hear later on oh no you know they treated they treated the crew like like like an asshole they were addicted to the crew these wouldn't come back we said no well we can't we can't we can't do that we that's not what we're doing over here did you get

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That was good, James. Good COVID. And so they, say Rosie, who do you like this season? I go, you know, I liked everybody. I just, I didn't like, you know, this person was just that. And I'm like, oh, but it was a great episode. I'm like, yeah.

Yeah, you asked me if I wanted to work. You know what I mean? Have they ever done that? We're like, oh, let's bring them back. I know you don't like them. No, it didn't happen. See, that's power. You guys see, there is.

Yeah. No, it's like. And also it was like, even though we encourage, we certainly encouraged directors to come in and do what they did because there wasn't like a stringent sort of model for how to shoot our show. our show didn't live or die by you know shot composition or stuff the directors were doing and I was people

turned on their TVs to laugh so there was no director whose signature was going to override the vibe that we needed to make our show so it didn't matter how good of an episode they made or how well-paced it was right replace them with someone

who is there to have a good time and it's going to be better anymore. I just think it's important, which is what we did on site. But again, in this town in this business, people take themselves way too seriously. They really, oftentimes, even though we're, I guess,

reflecting humanity and reflecting society, we seem to lose our humanity in this business a lot. Whether it's the actors and how they treat other people, whether it's directors or producers and how they treat other people. And I think the more that we can hold on to this, you know, I guess the genuineness of ourselves and being able to really disrespect other people, just for being people, and you don't have

those kind of issues. And thankfully on site, we didn't, we just stayed in that lane. It was like, we're all here. We're all have our unique gifts. We're all here to make good television, but we're not doing brain surgery. Yeah, maybe it's a lure. Maybe it's a lure of the right word. It's just sort of like this, this idea that when you get to high school, sort of,

When you get to Hollywood that, you know, you've got these directors and you've got these stories and we've got to live up to it and I've got to be this and I've got to be this someone that I'm not because I've got to show them I'm a director and I have power and you hear all these horror stories because, you know, you hear a lot of big directors. There's some big directors who are not easy to work with who are just, I mean, De Palma has made it clear he hates actors, you know. I test screened for something years ago and I was like just a puppet

it was just like over there I want you to read with her you read with Minnie you read with him slow it down on that do it again it was just like what the it wasn't fun it was just like this guy is obviously done some brilliant movies but it was you know it was sort of uncomfortable and I wonder if there's that I mean there's got to be that

you know people come to Hollywood and like I'm a director and I finally have power and maybe I didn't have it I'm missing I was missing something in my childhood and now I feel like I have to overcompensate and be an asshole. Maybe that, I don't know. And look, and actors are the same way. There's a lot of actors like that, too. You know, it always amazing me how actors will break the next trying to audition,

audition, audition, to get jobs, especially when they first come to this town. And then as he started getting some level of success, now everything's a problem. It's like, you, just a year ago, you were begging for a job. And now it's like, uh, uh, uh, you know, it's just, it's driving me crazy sometimes. But I think as long as we can, again, or more that we can just appreciate the moment that we are in. And that's a good thing about even this whole pandemic. It's like, I think it's really been able to just let people take a step back for a second.

To say a lot of things to be caught up in is very frivolous. It's very frivolous. And I think it's challenging us now to be more connected to just our humanity. And what are we actually offering up to the environment around us? We've been conditioned to experience. to accept so much hypocrisy in what we do. And it's what I was saying earlier. It's like it's all,

it's all just sort of white noise that we think is part of it. It's like, oh, this is what I signed up for. But the truth is, none of us signed up for that. And we signed up to tell stories and hopefully be good to our fellow man. And, you know, it's taking a 400 year in the making social uprising and

an international pandemic for everybody to slow the fuck down and go, wait a second. Like, our industry is pretty ass backwards. Like, you know, we love to hold up signs and it's like this is what, you know, the entertainment industry stands for.

There's a lot of broken parts to this machine. Yeah. And a lot of broken parts that nobody talks about nearly enough. And now they're being talked about. And it's another one of the, I hope, you know positive byproducts of the world shutting down for a second yeah i think uh i mean it's it's very cliche and but it's i believe it's so true it comes down to it's just how much easier

is it to be kind to people than it is to be mean to people how much more energy does it take to be an asshole to be there's you know it's it's just it's just so easy in the old do I get, I'm just like, it's just let things go and just be gentle and kind, as kind as you can be. You know, whether you believe in God or not, I always say, it's like, I'll tell you, if there's a God,

then you can believe what you want to believe, I believe what I want to believe. But maybe saying, you know, you have fucked each other for the last how many years. You have you have destroyed this beautiful planet. You have

done everything. I I have given you everything that's in front of you, if that's what you believe, or not. But it doesn't even matter if you believe that or not, because it's the truth. You're given this planet, and we just keep shitting on it, shitting on each other.

And at the end, maybe the whole game is, the whole end game is, well, we'll see. Are they going to just destroy each other? And there'll be nothing left. That's where it's going. Or are they somehow going to come together and go,

ah, and the devil's over there. And you know, God's like, ah, see, I knew they'd come together. I was like, ah, fuck you, God. There's something, I know it sounds crazy, but that, you know, a simplistic sort of just, you know, the whole climate change.

Whether you believe it or not, just pick the fucking thing up. Throw it away. Look, it's kind of like the whole, the whole mask thing right now. The fact of that even got politicized. Whether you believe it or not, how hard is it to throw on a mask for a little bit?

If I could possibly save your life, Even if I'm wrong, even if it's a 1% chance. Why is there an argument? Yeah, let me just throw in a mask. I can throw in a mask. It's not, it could possibly save your life. So, sure. I could do it for a month, two months, maybe even three.

Sure, why not? And if it had nothing to do with it, then no harm, no foul. But if it did have something to do with it, then great. We just did a lot to, you know, to squash this whole pandemic. But even that is an issue. because it's, no, you know, I have a right not to. And it's, you know, I'm, you know, I know, I know, I know, we get more caught-ups in our rights

and less caught up in our responsibility to our fellow man. Yeah, look, I want to ask a couple questions. First of all, when you were doing psych one, the first movie, right? And that was how many years ago? Maybe five, four? Right. And you're, yeah, something like that. Well, you're about to film.

You're in pre-production. Tell me if I'm wrong. and then one of your most beloved cast members, one of your best friends, Tim Amundsen has a stroke out of the blue. I mean, talk about something that just, I mean, how did, have you guys talked about that?

I mean, maybe I'm, I'm sure you have, but like, what was your first response? Both of you, like, and how did you react to it? I mean, I was,

it was shock. I mean, it's like the rug being pulled out from underneath you. I believe that you hit me real day. I think you called me. Yeah. And I said, I said,

But it just, even as I think about it now, connecting those dots just didn't, still don't connect in my mind over the way, what happened? And it was really to the level of being so serious that we weren't him too short he was going to make it. And again, it's those type of moments of life where life kind of goes, is put on this, on its, on its axis, goes on its side, where we're a few weeks away from going to shoot a psych movie. And then now we're talking about whether, you know, our brother's actually even going to see tomorrow.

I mean, it just puts everything in perspective. Everything in perspective. But, you know, thankfully, we are such a family where, as he did start to come through, folks really bowled up their sleeves and say, we're going to make this happen.

We're going to make it happen with him and for him. And then keep, you know, keep by cheering him on to then be able to get to the second psych movie. But I mean, I remember the moment he just really, I was shook and that's, you know, he's, Tim is a fit guy. Tim is, you know, he's someone who exercised

and ride his bike all over the place and this and that. I never would have expected that that call, you know. Jeez. James. Yeah, it was devastating. And a classic example of the perspective you've gained when it lands

on your on your own doorstep because you hear stories about stuff happening to young healthy fit people and until until it's right in front of your face it's surreal but it doesn't hit home the same way I mean he was 47 years old he was in the best shape of his life and trust us we knew him since he was you know 30 something we saw all the different versions of Tim and he really truly was in the best shape of his life. And no heart problems, no pre-existing. He, uh, his career was apexing, you know, he was coming off Gallivan where he was sort of the breakout character of that show.

You'd just gotten another job where he was going to be working with Carol Burnett. Like, it was happening, uh, for him in a very exciting way. And so the last thing, the last phone call you ever, ever expect to get is that someone in that position, you know, drops. a major stroke out of nowhere and someone called you james someone's called you yeah yeah uh i heard from from maggie uh who i heard i believe from thames's wife and uh yeah the record just scratches and you stop and you don't know what to say you don't know what to do for a second and uh and then you know because we're all so close and we were you know we were all such a family we were

able to sort of shift gears pretty quickly into what does tim need what's the best thing to do how can we help the family like it it was a it was a clear and obvious shift from like uh to action and uh i mean i would expect nothing less from this group but it really did like that's what you do in that situation when did was the first time you guys talked to him after it happened? It was a minute because like Dule said there was like a week there where his life was essentially hanging in the balance and we were getting updates but you know he wasn't really talking to anybody. So I would say weeks. Yeah, weeks at least because I saw like a little blurry now but I feel like I went to see him in at the rehab center and that was the first time I actually

spoke to him. How was that, Dulae? I I mean, were you, did you get, you had to get emotional. Of course, yeah. I mean, I was emotional. It was emotional on two sides. It was emotional because, like, it was heartbreaking, but it also was inspiring because Tim's spirit was so big, you know, still trying to, like, cracking jokes in the midst of what he's going through.

And we just, like, seeing, I guess, the mental fortitude that you saw him forming in his mind to be able to keep pressing forward. was inspiring. He keeps beating every prognosis. And I'm sure he would be delighted to come on and talk to you, Rosie, because it's an amazing story. And he, you know, he can tell a hell of a lot better than we can't. But, you know, it went from a priest coming to read him his last rights in front of his wife

to doctors telling, you know, Allison, just prepare yourself. There's a very good chance that your husband's never going to walk again. And it's just like he just kept clearing hurdles, you know. the dude's walking around uh you know it's he's he is an inspiration to to us all and he's also been he's been very he's out there sort of as a uh stroke victim spreading you know the word of like hey it doesn't have it doesn't have to end that's why i brought it up because i feel like you know he wants to get the message out and i wanted to bring that up and i i would love to talk to him I think it's, you know, Rob Benedict, you know, Rob Benedict?

Yeah. Because he had a stroke, I think while he was doing supernatural or something, but he had come on the podcast. And it was just an amazing story where he just, his friend, his friend called up to his room and he's about to come down. And he just starts talking like, and he's not making any sense. He's like, uh, dude, what are you talking about? Dude.

And then he just ran up to this and he got him, took him to the hospital. And it's amazing how that can happen so fast. fast and you know it's like and i think you know you can't sit here and think about it all the time right we can't sit here and go oh my gosh oh my gosh and this and this and my life is so but but you sort of do have to pay attention that we don't have much time we don't we just don't we have you have it has to sink in and say it's it's important i try to every week try to call my close friends try to call my family and just say i love you so you just don't know and i'm 48 this happened when he was 47. He's way healthier than I am. It can happen to anybody.

You know, and you're right. We can always live our life in the place of this could happen at any point. But I do think if we can, for example, if we knew that this was happening, even in that time when that was going on, it changes how you interact with people. And so I think if we could just honor the preciousness of life, then I think it would change how we interact with people. It would, certain things that I would, you know, flip out. about, I probably wouldn't if I knew that this moment was going to be my last moment or this moment was going to be in

your last moment or next week was going to be your last moment. So I think if we can move forward our life in that under that umbrella, then I think or through that lens anyway, it would really help the way to interact with people. Because a lot of times it's like, you know what, it's not really that serious. Like this thing right here, this little thing that's

happening, it's not that serious. I can let that slide. And you know what? I would rather tell you that I love you before I leave instead of saying fuck you. It comes back. The kindness, right? It's so easy to just be kind and be aware of that. And it's okay for me to still be upset about something, but it's like I don't need to take it there all the time. I can just, you know, one of my favorite words is grace.

It's like, you know, I can just let a little bit of grace flow from outside of me and hopefully some will come back my way to in the midst of if I just, you know, in the midst of things because I have learned, I lost my best friend when I was 15 years old. So, I mean, I have learned that when even a person that you can't stand, a person that you really know that you really can't stand. even when they go away. You know, you realize that a lot of those things weren't as serious. Not saying all of them weren't, some of them are major, but there's a lot of things, but it's like, you know what? That wasn't really that serious. I didn't need to hold on to that.

Like, weigh that like a banner everywhere I went. I could have just said, like, you know, I could have let that go by the wayside. Yeah. That's one thing that, I mean, thankfully, Tim has persevered through, but even in that moment it kind of just reminded me of how fragile life is. So let's try our best to enjoy it. That's just truly

appreciating what you have informs every element of your behavior. And that's another thing that we've been conditioned by in this industry is like it's never enough, right? It's like it doesn't matter how good we have it or what's in front of us. Our eyes

are always, okay, but what's the next thing? What can I turn this into? Right? How can I take this and leverage it and turn it into that? And so I think a lot of times we forget how fleeting it all is and how fucking important it is to just stop and enjoy and savor and appreciate the moments that we have in this business especially because so many other people don't get them and that that informs how you act that informs how you treat people and I think

other people I don't think people are automatically resentful of someone just because they're successful I think if people see a successful person appreciating that success and using to help others they can be thrilled for that person i think i think resentment is born from watching people become successful as well you know and then it trickles down so appreciation i think is another another word that i along with grace that i think is inside of you is brought to you by rocket money if you want to save money then listen to me because I use this, Ryan uses, so many people use Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions.

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So you wouldn't give us your toilet. You only gave us your head. And so this is what you get. But can you not see me? But it's really like resonating with me. Like all the things you're saying, it's not like I'm just kind of like thinking of the next question. These are like, I'm forgetting I'm like interviewing you.

You know what I mean? It's like I'm going, huh, wow. Oh, I should probably get back to maybe asking a question. You know, it's just very. Yeah, what? I say especially based off about our text team before we started. Oh, my God. Just so people will know, I guess, nine times out of ten, if Roday and I are texting each other, it could be anything.

It could say, you know, yeah, man, it's raining outside because there's literally rain falling. One of us is going to text back to each other. You don't know what's falling outside or outside. So stop texting me this bullshit, please. All right. I'm going to. So. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so.

about I think I was a little shook today because that's what was... I'm going to read you this. I'm going to read you something. This is our text chain. If we don't like it, we just cut it. Don't worry about it. 1130, guys, I'll send the link right before. Dulae, don't tell me what to do.

James Rode. We're getting the COVID protocol breakdown. I'll hop off as soon as I can, but I will not be early. How dare you, says me. And boring. James, it's pretty insane. Dulae, you don't know when you hop on, so please stop texting bullshit. Rosenbaum.

I don't understand. James. Truth being stranger than fiction of your dumb bullshit. This is how we speak to each other, Rosie. Stay out of it. Oh, sorry, guys. I'm erect. Weird. I'm the one who says something dirty. James, no, that tracks.

Dulae. Yep, it does. James. Okay, I'm in. That was a conversation. That says it. that's that's yeah we're almost done here uh you know the whole james reday rodriguez thing i think it's really it's really cool and and you could be brief about it um i know you've probably talked about it uh a ton but you know that was your that was your surname right you changed it because originally you're like oh that shouldn't be you know that i'm not going to get any work with

rodriguez correct it was a long time ago uh i'm very happy to say that with the experience that I had, you know, in 1998, I don't think would ever happen today. So we're looking for silver linings and we're looking for signs of some positive growth. I don't think there is a scenario where anyone would feel comfortable telling an actor to change their name anymore in this business.

So that's a good thing. And, you know, I did it. I made a choice. and because I made that choice and then started building the career, I think I was blinded by the momentum and by the success that I was having. And it never, honestly, just never occurred to me

that reclaiming my birth name was something that I could do, which is 100% on me. Because I could have done this 10 years ago, I'd get done this five years ago. This was not an elusive thing that I couldn't do. But again, as we've been saying, I think everything that's happening in the world right now

and the forced stoppage is what sort of enlightened me in a number of ways, one of which was, you know what, I need to talk to my father, I need to have like a real conversation that goes beyond checking in and and maybe updating one another on some football ship. And when I did that, I heard a lot of stuff that I'd never heard before about my grandparents,

about their experience as first generation of Mexican Americans in this country, about his experience stuff. I mean, stories that I had never heard, and I'm 44. And I was really moved. and because of that, I felt like, wait a second, why haven't I ever thought about this before? Why am I still not using my name? That's ridiculous.

And I think it's also, I think you can also turn it and go, well, that's also very convenient, dude. Like you waited until you had a career, and now you're going to reclaim your heritage. And I accept that criticism is valid. and I have really no argument against it other than to say that this was the journey and this specific moment in time

is what popped me in the face and woke me to fuck up and I want to be the best ally I can to the people that I love and I can't do that if I'm not even putting my own truth out there. So once all of that came together, honestly, it was probably the easiest decision

I've ever made in my life. It's like, oh, what's your dad say when you told him he was very touched because to my father's credit it's the only phone call i made you know 20 years ago when i changed my name i said dad i got a room this by you uh i'm you know it's being heavily suggested to me with my first job sitting in the call on my hand uh to not go by rodriguez that it's going to be confusing and people don't you know it's going to there could be like a weird backlash and he was like son cut me off and said son do you this is your dream you

going to do whatever you've got to do. Because no one in my family had any concept of like succeeding as an artist. Like that was that was always a pipe dream anyway. So the fact that there was any kind of reality attached to this pipe dream was a lot for all of us to digest. And he didn't question me for a second. He totally let me out of the cook. And as soon as I had his blessing, I didn't ask him.

I didn't call anybody else. I just did it and that was that and I know he never expected something like this and I I know it meant a great deal to him because I've also heard I've heard him tell stories

about how when he is excited you know he worked in the car business for a long time and so people would come in and there was always a picture of meeting and they're like oh if they recognize me they're like oh my god you have a picture of James Orday he's like yeah it's my son and they would never believe him and so he would

always have to like pull up the Wikipedia media page or the IMDB page to show that, you know, because my name is out there, you just have to sort of, you have to Google to find it. And when I heard some of those stories, I was like, oh, man, I can't believe this. No father should have to do that. And so, and so I think finding out meant a lot to him, but also seeing the credit on, on the psych movie, this the second psych movie seeing you know his name for the first time in 20 something years

I think he made a lot to him I love it you know it's funny because I remember being in New York living in a one bedroom with four guys and I was like Rosenbaum Michael Rosenbaum

one's going to hire me do we want to see Michael Rosenbaum this role what no we want to see Ted Greiger I just came out of me. So I thought, what do you think? My middle name is Owen. Owen Owen,

Owen Michael. Michael Rose. Michael Rose Owens. And it's just my buddy goes, dude, don't be a fuck wad. Keep your fucking name. Look at Schwarzenegger.

Fuck off. Streisand. And I go, oh, okay. And that was it. My friend Matt Ballard. Keep your fucking name. Don't be a douchebag.

And I go, all right. That was it. I listened to him. Because I was thinking about it. We're really, we're really close. But you know what I will say, though, is like I applaud Roday in making the choice because, I mean, there is, we don't always realize the domino effect.

We don't always realize the ripple effect that we have. And there's so many people who are fans of James Rode who loves the work he's done over the years, so many, even even in the psych world, that I think seeing, seeing Rodriguez will have a, will tear down some mental barriers that people have in their mind. I love that guy. and his name is James Rodei Rodriguez. I love that. So many barriers that we don't even realize that the... That's profound. Yeah.

I agree. Yeah, that's true. And they see that. It's also a respect thing. I think it's a beautiful thing. In fact, I'm actually thinking now changing my name to Michael Rosenbaum Jew. With the hyphen? Yeah.

Maybe. Maybe Rosenbaum Jew. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, hyphenating. I think that's going to really work. I know you hate that. this because when we text and I and I do a voicemail and I sing something, James immediately responds with who's saying it and what it is and then DeLay says, fuck off.

So I'm just going to give a few songs real quick. And you tell me who sings it. If you leave me now, I know the song, but I don't know who sings it. Oh, man. It's in that, it's in that pocket of like air supply, Chris Crosse. Christopher Cross It's soft Chicago

Chicago It's soft hot This one's easy Delay you I don't have a chance I feel fine That would be the track number one On the Sunday's second album

Right there you go I feel All right And ladies and gentlemen This is how my response Normally goes to this When this goes on In the text chain

I don't know What the fuck that is you still please stop texting me this fucking bullshit that's what it is alright here a couple more come on something happened along the way I don't want to say it though we used to be but happy we're saying

Michael Michael McDonald's? No something happened along the way Oh hold on Oh earth window fire Yes do it All right.

Nice. You are the sun, you are the moon that makes my life this foolish game. You need Lano Ritchie. Yes, oh my God, look it too late. Love you so. When I'm in the shower, I'm afraid to wash my hair. It's a good old Rocky, Rocky Rockwell. We know that one way too well now.

Well, that parody you did. killed me. What did you say? You said, I always feel like psych is all they see. And it talks about your, it is the funniest, most, I love it. You're in the shower with your clothes on,

rubbing yourself. Yeah. Because if you zoom in on different frames of that video, it's like there's a whole sequence where he's wearing sweatpants in the shower because they just must have told him like, oh, we can't see your, you know, we can't see your legs.

So it was like, oh, we'll just throw him in a false sweat soon. And, you know, we have to give a shout-off for that, too, because I don't think he got enough credit. It was Steve Franks actually both the lyrics. All Steve. Oh, so funny. Roday hit him up, and he just went to work and really just knocked out the lyrics. He did a great job with that.

And you're singing it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, good guys. I'm just making sure. Steve sent me his, like, his microphone, and he and his son got on, like a FaceTime with me and taught me how to use garage van

and literally in my garage and I recorded this song It's beautiful. All right, this is it. This is called Shit Talking with Rosenbaum. These are patrons of mine And they're just asking questions. Rapid fire So you can just nail it. I didn't even read these yet. So Wendy Feldblum

Better keep your name, Wendy. James, did you get to make up any of the nicknames for Deulay's character, Gus? Or were they all scripted? Both, but I made up plenty. Jamie Crawford, what is your favorite nickname for Gus throughout the series? I always say lavender gooms

because gooms. I would say Gus silly Pans Jackson because it was the first, you know what I mean? It was the spark that started to fire. That's right. Nico, what's your favorite 90s jam, both of you? It's probably the closest thing to a jam that they ever did, but since we're on topic

and I know you're a fellow Sunday's lover, I'll say summertime, because it's a pretty good song to put on in the summer. What a beautiful song. And that was 97, so that counts. And it's you and me. Kimberly Garcia, do you ever catch yourself being like Sean and Gus together? Yeah.

Luckily, we have ladies to keep us in check. I don't know why I'm reading this, but Emily Sudall wants to know. Would you rather live the rest of your life with silent but uncontrollable gas or loud, uncomfortable sneezing? Wow, that's dark on either side. I guess I would say gas. I'd shit it up. No one's going to know it's me.

God, what's that smell? But apparently people would start to go, do you always smell? It's true. You always smell. Sometimes, like, you know, when you just, you buy yourself,

when you have gas, it doesn't, it doesn't smell as bad as, it's kind of like a stinky aroma to yourself. Plus, you could make moves, you could put pillows over yourself. You could always be under a heavy blanket.

Like, you could try to take other people, you know, into consideration. You could always go jogging. You could always be running in life. You could really just literally run through life. You could Franco Patente that shirt. Brent Meredith, where did the different catchphrases come from?

Come on, son. I've heard it both ways. Come on, son is Ed Lover. Ed Lover. That's not even, that's not ours. We just co-opted it. It literally was me being in the trailer watching Ed do his come on son series on our YouTube. And I called Rodea into the trailer because I was laughing so much.

And then we had to go shoot. And we went to set and we did it. And I actually gave a shout to it to Ed Lover and it started from there. Yeah. Good Lord, son. Dave Plavie, do you appear at conventions would love to have you as guests once that gets going? Yeah. I think it's going to be quite a while before.

I mean, we've only been to like, I think one maybe. Yeah, we do it one together. But I think it's going to be quite a while before you see it showing up at a convention, especially in this in this time and beyond. I'm like, I'm not really trying to be in a woman for a thousand people like that. that's going to be a while dude you guys are i love talking to you i hate that we don't we don't uh i mean we we all have our lives but look man i love talking i appreciate you taking the time it's it's always fun and easy and thanks for opening up and uh i might bug you about getting tim on

because i don't have his connection maybe one of you talk to him i'll see i will uh send it to you as soon as we leave this room you hear that guys pretty cool it's gonna happen dude i love you both i wish you all the health and happiness thank you again and i'll be in touch just send me a say prosy all right i love you bye Yeah, I want, you know, there's some guests you just want on every year. You know, like there's a Zach Levi, and then there's the Dachshepard, and then there's the, the Duley, James Rodei, Rodriguez. There's the, you know, the Jamie Lynn Sigler.

There's the, um, Stephen Amel. There's a lot of people that I'm like, every year I've got to have these guys back on. Yeah. Updates and they're a lot of fun and, um, they're just really great guests to have. We've got other great guests coming up, guests that I've been really working on. So, you know, Nathan Philean was coming up and really great ones towards the end of the year. And then the new year, we're trying to stack them. So get your friends.

Tell them the, you know, step up. Email 30 friends and say, or 100 friends. Say subscribe, will you? Handles once again, Ryan. At Inside of YouPod on Twitter. At Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook, YouTube.com slash Inside of You. That's right. Make sure if you want to join Patreon and support the show.

even more, go to Patreon, p-A-T-R-E-O-N.com slash inside-of-you, online store, take 15% off anything, any merch inside code inside 15, 15% off on the inside-of-view online store. Stage this Saturday, two of them, I'm performing live. You can just come watch. It's a great, it's like a big family. Play a lot of fun music and the new album's coming out soon. But go to stage.com, type in Michael Rosenbaum and you'll see the shows for this Saturday. Yeah, I think that's it.

but why don't I read off the names? Isn't that important? Usually. I think it is. Here they come. Drum roll, please. Is that your drum roll? Yeah.

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